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Sept. 16, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Science and Health of Concussions + No Taxes on Overtime? ft. Dr. Pierre Kory
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk.
We have a really fascinating conversation with Dr. Pierre Corey on concussions.
Quarterback Tua Tagovailoa got another concussion.
What does that mean?
What is CTE?
How does it play into concussions?
Does it not?
And should he retire?
Everywhere in pop culture and sports media right now.
And we just love the guy and wanted to have that conversation with Dr. Corey.
And then we're joined by Rep Russ Fulcher, who may have been the originator of the no tax on overtime idea that was just launched by President Trump.
He breaks down his legislation, who he thinks it's going to help and how he thinks it adds to this growing conservative working class party in the era of Trump.
And then I take a A few shots at John Legend.
You're going to want to stick around for that.
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I wanted to bring in Dr. Pierre Corey.
He's the founder of the FLCCC and he's also author of the book, The War on Ivermectin.
Welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show, Dr. Corey.
Great.
Good to be here.
Thanks.
So I, you know, we have you on the show a lot to discuss, you know, Ivermectin, COVID, some of these stories, and we are going to get into the WHO and some of the updates there.
But I wanted to bring you in kind of a, for a different reason.
Last night, and this story is making its rounds today.
We saw that Dolphins quarterback, Tua Tago, I always say his name wrong, we just call Christian guy, Alabama quarterback, national championship.
And then he goes to the Miami Dolphins having a great early career, but the concussions that this young man has absorbed, uh, and it's been multiple instances now have really, really been a setback for him.
And it's frankly, it's, it's frightening to watch this video.
So let's, I'm going to, we're going to play this, uh, Dr. Corey and, uh, get your reaction on the other side. 196.
We're down by 21 points, fourth and four.
Pressure to his steps up, he's gonna run for the first down!
And takes a shot at the six-yard line.
Hamlin hit him, and two it down.
Mmm.
So you see him, he makes a run for it, he's trying to get those yards, takes a shot, and then instantly you see the players on the dolphins say, get over here, you know, to the sideline.
What happened in that moment?
It really, to be honest with you, in the course of football, that looked like a run-of-the-mill kind of hit.
Yeah, I mean, it does not look like a particularly hard hit.
Hammond's shoulder is what he caught with his head.
But no, so yeah, you're right.
It didn't look like a particularly hard hit.
It wasn't helmet to helmet.
You know, it looks like he caught, it was head to shoulder.
But, you know, the cause of a concussion is a major acceleration-deceleration event.
Now that didn't seem to be like a particularly abrupt one but he did get stopped right so there was a acceleration deceleration and obviously he had symptoms afterwards right so the definition of a concussion is actually the technical term is a mild brain injury and it's evidenced by either loss of consciousness Um, ataxia, which is like instability while walking, uh, or short-term memory or cognitive deficit or disorientation, right?
So they can't remember what date is, year it is, or they might not know where they are.
And that's how, you know, they've had a concussion.
Once you see that kind of cognitive deficit, I mean, number one, they have to stop playing immediately for that day.
Um, and then you get, then you have to monitor them closely because you want to see how long those symptoms last.
Some people with concussions can, You know, get up and they can return to normal neurological functioning pretty quickly.
But here's the major issue with that hit, is that just like you pointed out, it wasn't like an overwhelmingly oppressively violent hit, but yet he got concussed and there's a reason for that.
The reason why that happened to him is because of his history of prior concussions.
And that's the problem here.
Every concussion you get raises your risk of future ones.
So for instance, if you've had three concussions in your life, your risk of getting another one is three times as high as a football player who's never had one.
And so he's now, with each concussion, is raising the risk of another one.
And, you know, I looked online earlier and an AI program said he's had definitely four and likely five concussions, I believe, including last night.
And so you're seeing this guy getting successive concussions.
So I think of him as having a rather fragile or sensitive brain that if he keeps playing, he might be running into a few more.
Yeah, I mean, and that's the big question, right?
I mean, the reason I think this story resonates is because he is such a phenomenal human being.
He's polite, he's respectful, he's well-spoken, and he's talented.
The guy is incredibly talented.
And so you go back, I mean, the first one that everybody remembers was the September 29, 2022 game against the Cincinnati Bengals when he was tossed to the ground and you could see his head whiplash and make direct impact with the turf.
But what we ended up finding out was that four days prior to that, he had landed hard on his helmet after being pushed to the ground as well.
And he, you know, he rose to his feet, stumbled around, but he was allowed to continue that game.
And so this changed the way that the NFL did its concussion protocols.
But a lot of people now, doctor, are calling for, you know, to resign, to quit the game of football.
And I don't think that's something he wants to do.
What are the long term health implications if Tua keeps playing this and God forbid he gets another couple of concussions in his career, which seems likely given how fragile his head is.
So here's an important point to make about what happens with concussions.
You'll see online everyone conflating repeated concussions with CTE, right?
Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, which is a degenerative brain disease.
But actually, there's no evidence, strong evidence, to suggest that those two are linked.
What CTE is actually caused by is repeated, repeated blows to the head.
Subconcussive or concussive, but it's just like this accumulated, repeated traumas to the head over the career of a football player.
And that leads to CT, and CTE is a progressive degenerative brain disease.
What multiple concussions cause is they raise the risk for something called PCS, which is post-concussive syndrome.
What that is, is persistent symptoms after a concussion, meaning they might have prolonged periods, could be days, could be weeks, could be months, of any number of things.
So it could be Either memory, fluency in speech, even sometimes confusion, but also neuropsychiatric stuff like mood changes, a vacant stare, anxiety, depression, and so post-concussive syndrome alone can be really troubling.
But the difference between PCS and CTE is PCS is considered to be generally milder And it tends to resolve with time and treatment and maybe away from sports.
And, you know, I don't, I have no results of the physical exam that occurred after, like, he went into the locker room, he has to go under, undergo extensive neuropsychological testing.
And he's being monitored, right?
Because if he is going to go back to the field, he has to be free of any symptoms before he goes back.
And, but yeah, you gotta, you gotta worry about PCS.
Would it be fair to say that concussion isn't the only way to get CTE, but it is a way?
You combine concussions with multiple sub-concussed impacts.
I think of Muhammad Ali.
What did Muhammad Ali have?
That was from repetitive hits to the head, was it not?
Yeah, well he had Parkinson's and that's another neurodegenerative disease which can be associated with multiple traumas to the head like Muhammad Ali had.
From what I understand of his case, he developed pretty severe advanced Parkinson's at a somewhat young age.
But yeah, you're right.
I mean, the concussions are part of things that can lead to CT, but concussions alone, they haven't had a strong association.
It's really, like I said, just some of the more brutal positions, lots and lots of tackles, lots and lots of mild hits to the brain.
It's weird, Andrew.
Because you know of my work with COVID and Ivermectin, I hate to go to that all the time, but there is an association between this topic and Ivermectin.
I'll tell you what it is.
What I've said and what my book is about, it really lays out the disinformation campaign against Ivermectin because the pharmaceutical industry didn't want that used.
Well, the NFL did their own disinformation campaign against CTE.
And one of the tactics of disinformation is called the Blitz.
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Dr. Corey, you were just relating the studies around ivermectin to the NFL's own study around
CTE, and I think I can kind of see where you're going here, but it's really fascinating.
I hadn't put that together, so please continue.
Yeah, you know, when I first, you know, so yeah, so when I first recommended, when we discovered that ivermectin was so effective against COVID, and we tried to get that word out, you know, we ran into these amazing headwinds.
You know, I started losing jobs, getting attacked in the media, you know, all these things.
And some months into it, I recognized, because I was taught, that I was basically under attack by a disinformation campaign.
And it has all these tactics.
And there's this famous article called the Disinformation Playbook, And they outline the five tactics that industries take when science emerges that's inconvenient to their interests.
And one of the tactics is called the Blitz, because they're all named after American football players.
And one tactic called the Blitz is where they go and they harass and they attack any scientist or researcher who's bringing out that science.
And the reason why I bring up this topic is because their example For the Blitz is what the NFL did to the researcher who discovered CTE and started publishing on it that it was a consequence of playing in the National Football League.
And they went after him.
And as you may know, you know, there's a big motion picture about that story called Concussion, starring Will Smith.
But that's really about what the NFL, a $9 billion industry, right?
Keep in mind, pharma globally is a $1 trillion industry.
And I went up against them, and I'm still standing.
But, you know, industries do this.
They go after inconvenient science.
And he's reporting on CTE, which was, you know, making a lot of people pause.
I think there's probably less participation in football in our youth because of the fears of a chronic degenerative disease.
But they do everything to pretend that that sport is safe.
And as you can see, for some it's not.
And for Portua, I mean, if this is whatever, his fourth, fifth concussion, he's got a real big decision to make because he's going to be at high, high risk of getting another one.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, it's fascinating when you, to relate these two stories, you know, we brought you on, I had no idea that you were going to, going to sort of full circle the CTE and ivermectin story, but it makes perfect sense.
And, you know, I do think that the CTE issue has gotten a lot of publicity and now it's sort of fallen in favor and I think the same has actually been true with ivermectin and some of these alternative ways to treat COVID.
But in general, Dr. Corey, I mean, We've seen a degradation of the trust that we have in the medical profession, which is actually, I think it's a tragedy.
It's unfortunate because you look at what Tua is going through.
We want to be able to trust the diagnosis.
We want to be able to trust what steps he's gonna take next.
And I hate to lose somebody from the NFL because he's so fun to watch,
but I have to believe that the most responsible decision he could make is to hang it up.
I do not wanna see this young man when he's elderly with obvious brain issues
and just basic functionality issues.
What would your advice be to him?
I know this isn't necessarily your area of specialization, but what would your advice be to him if you were treating him?
Well, I think, and he's probably aware of this, but I would explain to him, you know, kind of what you and I just discussed about the, the increasing risk of future concussions.
His brain is more sensitive, right?
That's why, you know, with every concussion, your chances of getting another one is higher.
And I think there's something about the recovery or healing or fragility of the brain after multiple concussions.
And so he's got to understand, you know, him going back on the, Football field compared to someone of his teammates who's maybe had one or none.
I mean, he's going to run into some more.
And, you know, even before I would give him long-term guidance, you know, is you'd want to establish what is his short-term condition right now?
Does he have persistent symptoms?
Has he recovered?
What are his deficits?
How severe are they?
Like, is he having speech or memory deficits even today?
And you'd want him to fully recover before making that decision.
You know, like I said, the evidence associated with CTE is not strong, it's not really there, but it still can create problems.
Post-concussive syndrome, he's at much higher risk if he keeps getting them.
And you're right, you don't want to see a young man deal with persistent neurological symptoms.
I mean, persistent headaches, dizziness, vertigo, things like that can be really debilitating.
You know, the thing about advice also, Andrew, is what's interesting is I was reading the NFL protocol for concussion.
What I liked about it is that they have an independent neurologist, a neurologist independent of the club, not paid for by the club, who does these objective assessments.
And I would like to get the advice of that.
So not who's employing him, not his coach, nothing like that, not the owner, but a real objective independent neurologist.
Well, that sounds like sound advice, Doctor.
Thank you for walking us through that today.
Excellent analysis.
Thank you so much.
Right now, I'm going to welcome our next guest, Rep Russ Fulcher from Idaho's 1st Congressional District.
We had some breaking news yesterday, Congressman, that President Trump announced a new policy plank that you know something about.
No tax on overtime.
I want to get your whole backstory here, but for the audience, let's go ahead and play this clip and I'll have you react to it.
165.
Today, I'm also announcing that as part of our additional tax cuts, we will end all taxes on overtime.
That gives people more of an incentive to work.
It gives the companies a lot.
It's a lot easier to get the people.
And you know, I went to some economists, great ones, and I said, what do you think?
They said, it would be unbelievable.
You'll get a whole new workforce by doing that.
No taxes on overtime.
So no taxes on overtime.
This is no tax on tips, no tax on social security, and now no tax on overtime.
So Congressman, you actually early in the year had proposed legislation to this effect.
Tell us about it.
What inspired it?
Did Trump get this idea from you or how did this happen?
Well, we released a bill called the KEEP Act here a couple of months ago, and that's exactly what it does.
And KEEP stands for keep each and every penny.
We know that work, is necessary if you're going to have wealth.
And over the course of years, we've created some bad habits in this country.
And the government has put programs in place that have allowed people that are perfectly healthy
and perfectly capable to not have to work.
And so the whole idea came from some town hall meetings that I had in Idaho a long time ago.
And we put it into legislation just earlier this year, a couple months ago.
And the whole idea is to, just like the President said, allow people to have more money in their pocket, as opposed to going to the government and having the government distribute those dollars.
So, break down for me how this would actually work in practice.
I love firefighters.
I happen to live next to a firefighter who, when he gets overtime, He makes a lot of money.
Uh, I mean, so, and, and that's, that's fine.
That's good.
That's, you know, however the system is set up, I get it.
But how much of an impact would this have on our tax revenue coming into the federal treasury?
What kind of impact there?
And do we know, are there safeguards against people gaming this, for example, you know, moving salaried workers into overtime workers, uh, you know, into hourly workers, so they would, they would benefit from There is an existing definition for overtime pay.
The federal government has defined that and so this simply takes that definition and utilizes it too.
So there's categories for hourly personnel and what qualifies for overtime pay.
There's definitions for overtime pay with salaried personnel.
This would remove the tax on the personal portion of that the federal personal portion of your income.
It would not touch the payroll component.
So Social Security remains the same.
Medicare remains the same.
And so it's relatively simple.
It's straightforward, doesn't create any new definitions, but it would have a significant impact.
It's hard to judge the average increase that would be for people, but it's somewhere north of 10% of your overtime revenue.
Again, I can't stress enough how important it is to get money in people's pockets.
We've got inflation right now that is robbing people of funds, interest is so high, and that's all due to government spending.
And so by allowing people to keep more of what they earn, they are going to spend it, they're going to invest it, and they're going to do it better than the government can do it.
And we want to reward work.
Not discourage it.
So I believe this has got a win-win portion of it.
I was ecstatic to see President Trump embrace it, and we have reached out to him ahead of time.
I'd like to think that it came from us, but if not, I'll take it either way.
We're glad to have his support, and we want to get this thing going.
Well, your piece of legislation just got a massive shot in the arm, and I have a feeling that there's going to be a lot of people in Washington looking to grab this piece of legislation and get it through, especially if President Trump wins in November, which we all hope he will.
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You touched on something I think is really important here though,
is the inflation and the affordability crisis that the Kamala Harris Biden regime have have
have brought upon our nation, right?
So you you're in Idaho, you know, how much more are people paying with I mean, in Idaho, for for basics for for housing for eggs for bacon for fuel under the in the last three and a half years, Congressman?
Oh, it's been a devastating increase.
It varies from commodity to commodity, but the fuel that we all have to put in our cars is up well over a dollar and a half on average of where it was a couple years ago, three years ago, before the Biden administration.
Our groceries, easy 25%.
And that's not uncommon for across this country.
And you know what?
This is all government caused.
There's only one thing that causes inflation.
And that's government spending.
Now, granted, COVID was a factor in all this.
And, you know, I'd like to think we've learned a lot of lessons of how you manage an economy under a pandemic, but hopefully we'll never have to find out again.
But hopefully we've learned some lessons from that.
But one of the things that's come out of it certainly is the inflation, but the Biden administration has made it much worse.
They haven't seen a spending program they don't like.
And they have a government solution for just about everything that oftentimes shouldn't even involve government.
So we have the inflation.
What we're trying to do now is put the right tools in place to allow people to keep more of what they earn at the same time, encourage them to work.
I love it.
I actually, I mean, when Trump made this announcement yesterday in our own private chats here on the show, we were, you know, we were arguing about how workable this plan is, you know, would people be gaming it or, you know, how, you know, all I personally think it's absolutely the right approach.
People deserve to keep more money in their pockets.
And what I love about it, Congressman, is that this, this is You know, this new coalition, this new movement that Trump has brought about in the last nine years, so it's not even that new, but it's this working class coalition.
You know, Charlie was, I believe, speaking with Senator Marco Rubio about this, how Hispanics have come over to the conservative movement in droves and record numbers, partly because they're voting more based on class than they are on race.
You know, the Democrat paradigm is that the You know, they're just going to pander to this identity politics, racial grievances, and Hispanics are having none of that.
They're saying, listen, I work with my hands.
I work, I shower before at work and after work, and I want to keep more of my money in my pocket.
And Trump's the guy that's standing up for the working men and women.
What can you say?
And you know, your perspective in Idaho, I think is, it would be tremendous here.
What can you say about this growing coalition that's, that's diverse, It's expanding of working men and women and what they mean to this country, what they mean to this movement and what they see in President Trump.
I can tell you Idahoans overwhelmingly would prefer to keep more of what they earn than get access to some government program that puts all kinds of strings attached on whatever they can get.
And so that's what this attempts to do.
Andrew, you bring up some good points and I got to roll this into a related discussion.
We got an election coming up here in November as well.
Okay.
And it doesn't hurt the conservative cause.
It doesn't hurt the messaging that those of us on the ballot have to provide to be able to say, you know what, we've got some solutions here to keep more money in your own pocket.
In order to make things more rewarding when you go to work every day.
And I can just tell you that's a winning message in Idaho.
I think that's a winning message in America.
I think that's one that fits the conservative nature.
I think that that's a great point for all of us on the ballot, including the president.
Obviously, he must think so too.
But you know, For those of us who work for a living, we want to be in charge of those dollars instead of having to give it to the federal government and then go ask them for a program to give it back to us.
I think that's well said.
And you know, it's interesting here.
I'm just reading Harris spokesperson Joseph Costello says, Trump is desperate and scrambling and saying whatever it takes to try and trick people into voting him.
If he takes power again, he will only look out for himself and his billionaire buddies and their big corporations.
There's only one candidate in this race who will actually fight for workers, Vice President Kamala Harris.
Your reaction?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, she also wanted to defund the police.
She's also kept the border open.
She's also flip flop on fracking, Medicare for all.
She's got her own problems.
Okay.
So when she says, That President Trump is just out there saying what he needs to say to get elected?
She needs to go take a look in the mirror, alright?
That's my response to the Vice President in that word salad.
Yeah, exactly.
Congressman, how can people follow you?
It sounds like you've got a race of your own.
How can people get behind you and support what you're doing?
Andrew, thanks for that.
RussFulcher.com.
And we're in the fight like everybody else.
It's every two years when you're a member of Congress.
And so the exposure there and any help is always much, much appreciated.
But more importantly, right now, we're just trying to spread the word on this legislation.
Get more of my colleagues on board.
That might be another good thing for people to do.
Tell their own members of Congress, hey, the key back, get your name on that bill.
Let's get it in front of the House for a full vote.
Let's put it over in front of the Senate.
And then potentially when we win and have some positive results in November, we'll get
this thing into law.
Well said, Congressman.
I appreciate your creativity here.
And, you know, I certainly think you can take credit for putting this into the zeitgeist.
And whether he knew that he was taking your idea or not, I think it's a brilliant one.
And I think it sends the right message to this building, growing coalition that we have on the conservative side.
It's just pitch perfect.
So thank you for your contribution, Congressman.
And thanks for making the time.
Thank you, Andrew.
Appreciate you very much.
Keep on keeping on.
All right, we will.
I want to hit something that I can't express to you my personal level of annoyance at, but I'm going to try.
And that is John Legend.
John Legend is a multi-millionaire, very awarded, prestigious, famous recording artist who comes from the town of Springfield, Ohio.
That's his hometown.
And he made a selfie video that he shared with the world, not that anybody was asking.
Saying to the people of Springfield that you need to be more welcoming.
You need to accommodate all of these people.
Now, he gets some of his facts wrong, but I noticed that this is what the liberals do.
So, we're told that Springfield is 50,000 people.
Well, he says it's 60.
And we're told that at least 20,000 people have come.
And some people have said actually it's closer to 32,000 people have come.
Haitians, foreigners, aliens to this place.
So, we're looking at anywhere between 25 to maybe even as high as 50% of the population has been newcomers, transforming everything in their culture, their schools, social services, everything.
Everything's changed.
But John Legend, a man who sings about cheating on his spouse or his significant other in some songs and doing other kinds of bad things, appeals to their Christianity and says to his hometown We had about 15,000 or so immigrants move to my town of 60,000.
You might say, wow, that's a lot of people for a town that only had 60,000 before.
That's a 25% increase.
That is correct.
So you might imagine there are some challenges with, you know, integrating a new population, new language, new culture, new dietary preferences, All kinds of reasons why there might be growing pains.
Oh, growing pains.
Is that what you call it?
When Haitians are jacking up insurance rates in the area because they don't know how to drive or where they're stealing the geese out of the park or the ducks out of the park?
I'm not even making reference to them eating pets, okay?
Fine.
Unverified claims.
That's fine.
Even though we know for a fact that Haitians do eat Cats and pets in Haiti.
We've heard similar complaints in Chile.
Chile, we know that where Haitians go, they bring some of their societal chaos and the baggage from whence they come.
But let's go ahead and play this B-roll right here now.
191.
This is... Mind you, John Legend and Chrissy Teigen are worth about $100 million.
$100 million.
And here is their $18 million Beverly Hills mansion.
They did a whole exposé on this with Architectural Digest and People's Magazine.
And CNN even wrote this up.
They did a whole press tour telling the people about their gated community and their beautiful home at the infinity pool and the views of the sprawling Los Angeles out in front of it and the beach in the distance.
And this guy has the gall.
To get on social media and say, dear Springfield, you working class people.
I mean, if you look at a few images of the people of Springfield, these are not wealthy people.
These are working class people, by the way.
And many of them are black, just like John Legend's black and he's from Springfield.
There's a huge black population there.
They are some of the most vocal saying things have to change.
What a smug, arrogant, entitled guy.
Why don't you, John Legend, instead of lecturing, virtually signaling on social media from behind your gated community in your big mansion in Beverly Hills, instead of lecturing your hometown of Springfield how they need to be more accommodating to 20,000 to 30,000 Haitian newcomers that nobody asked for, nobody voted, why don't you move some of them into your mansion and let them live with your three children?
How about that, John Legend?
Maybe they could clean your pool.
Maybe they could vacuum up after your guys' lavish parties.
What a detestable, detestable man John Legend is.
What a smug, arrogant, out-of-touch, wealthy, liberal NPC.
You are LARPing as a concerned citizen, John Legend.
How dare you?
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
We'll talk to you soon.
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