The Charlie Kirk Show - Ending Republican Weakness for Good
Aired: 2024-06-03
Duration: 36:02


=== Why Republicans Are Weak (11:37) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, Tan Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:01]  Benny Johnson, Blake Knap, Josh Hammer.
[00:00:04]  We discuss why are Republicans so weak?
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[00:00:29]  Buckle up, everybody.
[00:00:30]  Here we go.
[00:00:31]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:33]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
[00:00:35]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:38]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:41]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:42]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:43]  His spirit, his love of this country.
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[00:01:29]  They are counting on your surrender.
[00:01:34]  If you give up, they win.
[00:01:36]  But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory and that's when we decided to give up?
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[00:02:50]  Benny Johnson, who is the host of the Benny Show, a TPUSA contributor and a great friend.
[00:02:55]  Benny, your reaction to Donald Trump being convicted.
[00:02:59]  Yeah, so the MAGA hat stays on.
[00:03:01]  Looks good on you, Charlie.
[00:03:02]  I haven't seen you in one of those in a while.
[00:03:04]  Where's your MAGA hat?
[00:03:05]  Benny?
[00:03:06]  What a good hat are you?
[00:03:08]  You'll never see me in any hat.
[00:03:09]  I don't look good in that.
[00:03:11]  I still have hair.
[00:03:11]  Okay, so I still have hair.
[00:03:13]  I think I've seen you in a hat.
[00:03:15]  I'm going to fact-check you on that.
[00:03:16]  I think I got it.
[00:03:17]  I don't wear hats.
[00:03:18]  I still have hair, and I'm not going to encourage any, I'm not going to encourage any retreat up here by wearing hats.
[00:03:27]  So you just, you won't find me in a hat regularly, and you won't find me retreating.
[00:03:32]  And you're not seeing Donald Trump retreat.
[00:03:34]  And I'm here to bring tidings of great joy to your audience, Charlie, because there is no retreat, and there is no surrender, and there is no cope, and there are no tears on our side.
[00:03:45]  In fact, the only difference from yesterday to today is that there are tens of millions more MAGA voters, more Donald Trump voters than there were yesterday.
[00:03:56]  There are hundreds of thousands more Donald Trump donators than there were yesterday.
[00:04:03]  The people who have decided to reach into their pocketbook or to reach into a ballot box and pull the lever for Donald Trump increased exponentially yesterday by every available metric.
[00:04:15]  The Trump campaign raised $36 million in six hours.
[00:04:20]  That's a world record.
[00:04:22]  To put that in perspective, Joe Biden raised $50 million the entire month of last month.
[00:04:27]  But I think I'm getting ahead of myself here when I say this will be the biggest political backlash in American history.
[00:04:36]  And to understand why, it's actually far less about Donald Trump than it is about who we are as Americans, as a people, as Americans as a people, like deep in our DNA is the revolutionaries who started this country.
[00:04:53]  Every single signer, every signatory of the Declaration of Independence is a felon.
[00:04:58]  Every one of them signed a document that said, I am a criminal now under the laws of the British Empire.
[00:05:06]  Some founders of that founders and some signers of that document were tried and put in prison.
[00:05:13]  Some died penniless.
[00:05:15]  Some were executed.
[00:05:16]  The signers of the Declaration of Independence, who are memorialized and turned into monuments all throughout Washington, D.C. now, that that document itself, the felony document, the Declaration of Independence, is now encased in bulletproof glass and gold in the National Archives in a nuclear-proof bunker because we respect felons.
[00:05:36]  We respect revolutionaries in this country.
[00:05:39]  And the revolutionaries changed the world.
[00:05:41]  They're guaranteed persecution.
[00:05:44]  But through that persecution, whether it's an apostle or a prophet or Joan of Arc or Nelson Mandela or the signers of the Declaration of Independence, the felons, the criminals standing against evil tyrannical systems, they end up changing the world.
[00:05:59]  And we remember them.
[00:06:00]  And so I look forward to the Trump monument in D.C. one day when we'll look back on him fondly as a founding felon father.
[00:06:08]  Founding felon father.
[00:06:10]  Benny, you are one of the most viral people in the movement.
[00:06:13]  You understand the internet really well.
[00:06:16]  Give our audience who is not as in tune, how did this perform act on the internet yesterday?
[00:06:25]  Who won?
[00:06:26]  Was it Wynn Biden favored Trump?
[00:06:29]  What were the independent minders, people saying the influencers, the non-political people?
[00:06:34]  Give us a vibe check.
[00:06:36]  Yeah.
[00:06:37]  So the vibe check.
[00:06:38]  I mean, I have here in front of me on my computer hundreds of posts on X.
[00:06:43]  This is what people are posting publicly that they've never voted for Donald Trump before.
[00:06:48]  They don't like Donald Trump.
[00:06:50]  They hate Donald Trump, in fact, and they're now donating to Donald Trump.
[00:06:54]  Professors from the University of Chicago, RFK campaign staffers saying now they're voting Trump.
[00:07:01]  RFK himself defending Donald Trump.
[00:07:04]  The entire unified freedom movement saying this isn't the country that we want to live in.
[00:07:10]  And it's an important moment to take a step back and also realize that the sort of psychosexual orgasmic cringe display that we expected from the left isn't materializing, Charlie.
[00:07:24]  Why is that?
[00:07:25]  It's a little strange, isn't it?
[00:07:27]  Like, why aren't we seeing the celebrations in the streets and the ticker tape?
[00:07:31]  Because I think that they know they done effed up, Charlie.
[00:07:34]  They didn't actually, they weren't planning on this being the one that got across the finish line.
[00:07:39]  They can't defend this.
[00:07:42]  And they are going, they are now shake.
[00:07:45]  Every time that a leftist opens up George Conway, every time takes his pudgy little fingers and opens up his social media, he is fearful of seeing the next round of polling or the next round of donation numbers because they know what they've, what they've just done here is effectively, again, put Nelson Mandela in prison.
[00:08:06]  You've made a political prisoner out of your enemy.
[00:08:09]  You've given him the story that he needed to run on.
[00:08:15]  He already had a great story, Donald Trump.
[00:08:17]  No one's crystallized it better than you, Charlie, but this just adds a shocking and wonderful chapter to the story of Trump.
[00:08:27]  And it's unifying, in fact.
[00:08:29]  The more they indict, the more we unite.
[00:08:32]  I love that.
[00:08:32]  That is exactly right.
[00:08:34]  And we saw, I mean, $39 million raised, huge amounts of support coming out of the woodwork.
[00:08:41]  And so, Benny, let me understand this: that even the weak Republicans were speaking out against this.
[00:08:49]  Even some of the more moderate wing, they found this to be an aghast at this.
[00:08:55]  Benny, we've known for quite some time that our institutions are rotten to the core.
[00:08:59]  And some people still yesterday said, I can't believe this.
[00:09:02]  This is so hard for me to believe.
[00:09:04]  I can't believe it.
[00:09:06]  So, Benny, my question is, why all of a sudden are they realizing what you and I have now known for a couple years?
[00:09:14]  Yeah, so you were able to ring this like a bell a decade ago with the founding of Turning Point USA when you said what's happening in our college institutions will make its way to the halls of Congress and to the halls of the judiciary.
[00:09:31]  The institutional rot began perhaps at the universities and in the nuclear epicenters of thought formation or lack thereof.
[00:09:43]  And it was only a matter of time until you have a ruling like this, given the fact that the people who are educated in these institutions come out.
[00:09:54]  And you saw what happened at Columbia University.
[00:09:56]  You see what happens across the country.
[00:10:00]  These aren't real institutions.
[00:10:01]  These institutions are designed to overthrow what made this country great in the first place.
[00:10:09]  And so you're just seeing the end result.
[00:10:11]  The end result is also Ilhan Omar AOC in Congress.
[00:10:14]  You're seeing that decay every single day.
[00:10:17]  But what I would say to the weak Republicans, you know, fast forwarding here, to the weak Republicans that want to mule today and send tweets and statements and go on cable TV and cry and strongly worded letters to the DOJ, I say to you, move aside.
[00:10:42]  You're the reason we got here in the first place.
[00:10:45]  We don't need you anymore.
[00:10:47]  We're not going to abide by the old rules of the system.
[00:10:51]  That country doesn't exist any longer.
[00:10:54]  The only thing that exists now is the will to power.
[00:10:58]  And the shocking reality is that the shocking reality is that Democrats, especially really powerful Democrats like the Clintons, the Obamas, and the Bidens, have done a lot of criminal things in red states.
[00:11:14]  Let's just take, for example, Jim Biden, who ran a Medicare fraud embezzlement scheme in the state of Florida, shut down like 20 different hospitals because of that collapse, putting little grandmothers and children that needed medical help on the streets here in Florida, causing major harm to the people of this great red state, getting filthy rich on it.

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[00:11:37]  The DOJ actually investigated him.
[00:11:39]  Of course, they passed on charges.
[00:11:40]  So now it should fall to Ashley Moody, who's the attorney general of this state and other DAs to take Jim Biden, Joe Biden's brother, drag his to the Everglades into a trumped plus 50 district.
[00:11:53]  I want a judge who has Donald Trump's campaign logo branded on his.
[00:11:59]  I want a judge who donated to Trump and I want an entire jury of MAGA hats judging Jim Biden for his known crime of defrauding and embezzling against the people of Florida.
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[00:14:10]  You see, Charlie would be state prison here in the state of Florida because it's a rock, a rock, red, red state.
[00:14:19]  And it would be something that would be very, very simple for the state government to do.
[00:14:24]  And so, ladies and gentlemen, I pick back up.
[00:14:26]  You want to, like, this isn't pie in the sky stuff.
[00:14:29]  This is really simple.
[00:14:30]  You can charge the Bidens for their crimes in red states.
[00:14:36]  And it's not just Florida.
[00:14:37]  You could go to Texas, where Hunter Biden hatched a scheme to sell Texas's precious natural gas and oil to the communist Chinese in the world's largest LNG port.

=== Florida Prison Reality Check (05:21) ===

[00:14:49]  That was supposed to be out of Houston.
[00:14:51]  This was, of course, violative of many laws and an insult to the people of Texas.
[00:14:58]  Why not charge Hunter Biden?
[00:14:59]  Joe Biden, of course, is somebody who once he leaves office could also be brought in on all of these charges and could be charged because he was the one running these gambits and running these schemes.
[00:15:14]  If you want to get after the Clintons, well, did you know, Charlie, that the Clinton Foundation has always and is to this very day operational out of Little Rock, Arkansas, and that Todd Blanch is a MAGA Republican who is in charge of the law in Arkansas.
[00:15:38]  He's the attorney general of the state of Arkansas, and that the governor of the state of Arkansas is Sarah Sanders.
[00:15:45]  And you could launch an investigation on that.
[00:15:47]  I have to interrupt, Benny.
[00:15:49]  I have to interrupt because you're making a great point.
[00:15:51]  Why don't they do this then?
[00:15:53]  You just laid out some great, wonderful details.
[00:15:56]  Why, Benny?
[00:15:57]  What's going on here?
[00:15:59]  Because they believe in an America that doesn't exist anymore.
[00:16:03]  And it's time to wake up and recognize what America we live at.
[00:16:07]  What time is it right now?
[00:16:10]  They believe that they live in an America that was painted by Norman Rockwell in the 1950s and some postcard, and that there are principles that still exist.
[00:16:20]  The Marxist has no principles, just the pure pursuit of power.
[00:16:25]  They'll celebrate putting Donald Trump in jail for what exactly.
[00:16:29]  And I guess that's the thing that I just can't really square.
[00:16:34]  They told their drooling audiences for years, Charlie, that Donald Trump was a terrorist or a Putin puppet or an insurrectionist.
[00:16:44]  Yet the charges that you get him on are bookkeeping errors from 2017 that have run out the statute of limitations for some alleged affair in 2005.
[00:16:58]  This is what you've gone with.
[00:16:59]  This is what you've been able to concoct and create.
[00:17:02]  No, no, no.
[00:17:03]  We can do that.
[00:17:04]  We can do that to Barack Obama, who summarily murdered an American teenager without a trial, violating his constitutional rights, obviously.
[00:17:12]  And he did this in a foreign country, which means that there's no statute of limitations.
[00:17:16]  So you could bring that in any federal district in the country.
[00:17:22]  So just go to southern Indiana, to that federal district, and that Trump plus 50 district and charge Barack Obama with the summary murder of an American teenager on Mar-Alwaki in Yemen.
[00:17:37]  This is easy.
[00:17:38]  This is easy stuff.
[00:17:39]  And the wild thing, Charlie, is that these demons on the other side, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Obamas, they actually committed crimes, like real crimes, really heinous, heinous stuff.
[00:17:50]  The Clinton Foundation, some of the worst things that have happened in human history have been have rolled through that foundation.
[00:17:56]  So let's go.
[00:17:59]  They believe the country is that in a country that's now dead.
[00:18:02]  Is this the wake-up call?
[00:18:04]  In a country that's now dead, is this the wake-up call?
[00:18:06]  Well, it doesn't have to be dead.
[00:18:08]  There just needs to be a time of retribution.
[00:18:10]  There needs to be a time of resetting the tables.
[00:18:12]  So their presidential candidates need to go to jail.
[00:18:14]  Their children need to go to jail.
[00:18:15]  They need to go to jail.
[00:18:17]  There needs to be a time that they must know that if they break the system, it'll be used against them.
[00:18:25]  If they don't get punched in the face proverbially, like a bully on a playground, then they'll continue to bully.
[00:18:33]  And so this is now the call to weakling Republicans.
[00:18:37]  Action.
[00:18:38]  No more words.
[00:18:39]  No more tears.
[00:18:40]  Action.
[00:18:40]  That's right.
[00:18:41]  Benny, plug your program, plug your stuff.
[00:18:42]  You're doing terrific.
[00:18:43]  Oh, at Benny Johnson.
[00:18:45]  You know where to find us.
[00:18:47]  But we encourage you to follow along on any social platform.
[00:18:50]  We're at Benny Johnson across all of them.
[00:18:54]  And we stay salty.
[00:18:56]  Love it, Benny.
[00:18:57]  Benny, I'll see you soon at the People's Convention in Detroit.
[00:19:00]  We have a great slot for you there.
[00:19:01]  Excited for that.
[00:19:02]  Benny, thanks so much.
[00:19:03]  And the RNC for our fellow and founding father.
[00:19:07]  I had this thought.
[00:19:08]  I want to remind you: people say, What can I do?
[00:19:10]  What can I do?
[00:19:11]  This is something that Democrats do artificially, and it works.
[00:19:15]  So the Democrats with the Mark Kelly campaign, when he was running for reelection in 2020 against Blake Masters, they spent a ton of money on this, where they have neighbors write postcards and little notes to their neighbors about the election.
[00:19:29]  It is incredibly powerful, and it's something that I think this audience could own.
[00:19:34]  I'm going to try to figure out a way where I can get an easy call to action with this.
[00:19:38]  So, for example, you have all your neighbors' addresses and many of their names, or even the ones that are close to you.
[00:19:44]  You could say, Hey, you know, dear Mr. Smith, I live a couple doors down.
[00:19:47]  I just want to write you about the upcoming election.
[00:19:49]  You know, our country's falling apart, blah, blah, blah.
[00:19:51]  Please consider voting for Donald Trump.
[00:19:53]  Thanks so much.
[00:19:53]  Your neighbor, here's my phone number.
[00:19:55]  That will get read, and that will be taken seriously.
[00:19:58]  The Democrats do this very, very well through relational organizing.
[00:20:02]  And I want to make sure I mention that in an upcoming broadcast.
[00:20:05]  Blake, welcome.
[00:20:06]  I want Blake to take some time and walk through this New York magazine article.

=== Prosecutorial System Crisis (15:16) ===

[00:20:11]  It is remarkable from The Intelligencer, which is one of their wrinkle publications.
[00:20:18]  And I mean, just riff on it, Blake.
[00:20:21]  What's going on here?
[00:20:22]  Yeah, sure thing, Charlie.
[00:20:23]  So, this article is by Ellie Hoenig.
[00:20:26]  They're a legal contributor to CNN, Harvard law grad, long career, like left-leaning lawyer.
[00:20:35]  And it's one of those things.
[00:20:36]  This is actually, I'd say, it's one of the better things that the left does.
[00:20:39]  Like, they'll do these really bad things, like prosecute Trump, and then there always is going to be someone who basically finally has their crisis and comes out and says, Okay, guys, this is actually really bad.
[00:20:50]  We should not be doing this.
[00:20:51]  And so, that's what Hoenig is doing here.
[00:20:54]  And what it all is, is this is clearly from a perspective of someone who doesn't like Trump, possibly even thinks Trump should be convicted of something.
[00:21:01]  But Hoenig comes out and says, This case is bad, and it's even specifically a case made from scratch to get Trump.
[00:21:11]  He says the New York, the Manhattan DA's office apparently internally calls it the zombie case because they had to get really creative to justify how they could charge this conduct from all the way back in 2016 because it normally had a two-year statute of limitations.
[00:21:28]  So, they had to say, Well, it was a conspiracy to cover up other crimes, although they never charge those other crimes, and they're not even that specific about what the other crimes are.
[00:21:38]  But he says it's actually a Frankenstein case, even more than a zombie one.
[00:21:42]  He says it is cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more or less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn against its creator.
[00:21:54]  He says Trump has a million viable reasons to appeal against this, and that even in New York, with all of its problems and all of its bias, he's going to have a decent shot at a reversal.
[00:22:06]  Never mind what might happen if a federal court decided to get involved in this.
[00:22:10]  There's so many good lines in this.
[00:22:12]  Let's see.
[00:22:14]  Let me find it here.
[00:22:17]  The charges against Trump are so obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented.
[00:22:22]  In fact, he says, no state prosecutor, not in New York, not in Wyoming, not anywhere, has ever used a federal election law as a predicate for a state crime against anyone for anything.
[00:22:38]  And until now, that is what the New York Alvin Bragg's case was.
[00:22:42]  His case was: he falsified his records, and as a result, he was conspiring to unlawfully change an election by breaking federal election law.
[00:22:54]  No one has ever brought a case like this in American history against anyone.
[00:23:00]  And he also points out the only actual charge they have is for falsifying business records, and that's almost never the only charge they bring in a case.
[00:23:09]  It's just extremely obvious and has to be said over and over again.
[00:23:13]  Set everything aside about concerns with the jury, concerns with the judge, concerns with procedure.
[00:23:19]  This legal case is a case that only exists to be brought against Trump.
[00:23:24]  It's never been brought against anyone else, and it probably never will be brought against anyone else.
[00:23:29]  They'll come up with new bespoke charges to go against other Republicans.
[00:23:34]  And that just has to be driven home.
[00:23:36]  This case would not exist for any other person in America.
[00:23:41]  Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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[00:24:45]  I want to get Josh Hammer in on here, Legal Mind as well.
[00:24:48]  Josh, welcome to the program.
[00:24:49]  Josh, your thoughts on the weakness of the case and just your general reaction of where we are as a country in this brave new world.
[00:24:56]  We've never been here before.
[00:24:57]  Charlie, it's disgusting.
[00:24:59]  I mean, you can insert your adjective of choice to describe where we are, and I'm not sure that there's a single word in the dictionary that quite adequately describes it.
[00:25:06]  I mean, you know, Charlie, my grandfather was in the newspaper industry when I was growing up, and I have all these fond memories of flipping through the newspaper when I was a kid.
[00:25:13]  And you would literally read about this overseas.
[00:25:16]  You know, you would read about some, you know, Eastern European country, a former iron curtain country, maybe a sub-Saharan African tin pot dictatorship, maybe some third world Islamist hellhole.
[00:25:26]  You would read about prosecuting and then trying to incarcerate your political enemy.
[00:25:30]  I mean, the way I put it in my column this morning, it kind of has the whiff of like medieval England.
[00:25:35]  The king comes in, deposes his rival, and then vanquishes him by sending him to the Tower of London to rot for the rest of his life.
[00:25:41]  But in America, you know, the land of the free and the home of the brave, like that America?
[00:25:46]  Like the America, like where I went to law school and clerked for a federal appeals judge and speak at law schools across the country where I, you know, I worship the Constitution.
[00:25:52]  I mean, this America, it is disgusting beyond words.
[00:25:57]  And, you know, I guess when the four indictments dropped last year, Charlie, if you had asked me, you had asked me which of the four was the most dangerous to Trump, no way in the world I would have said that the New York case was the one that was actually going to do him in.
[00:26:09]  Yes, it's New York City.
[00:26:10]  It's a terrible jury and whatnot here.
[00:26:12]  But this is also by far, by far, the most absolutely meritless and baseless of all of them.
[00:26:19]  Alvin Bragg's own predecessor, the equally left-wing Cy Vance Jr., looked into this.
[00:26:24]  He declined to bring charges.
[00:26:25]  The federal prosecutor's office under Biden, the SDNY, the Southern District of New York, they looked into this.
[00:26:30]  They declined to bring charges.
[00:26:32]  You know, this is not the big January 6th case that all of like the Democrat lawfare complex and the mainstream media is not that case.
[00:26:40]  That's Jack Smith's DC case.
[00:26:41]  This is so-called hush money payments for conduct, fraudulent bookkeeping that has a two-year statute of limitations, all about a one-night stand that allegedly happened.
[00:26:51]  We don't even know that it happened, what, 18 years ago, back in 2006?
[00:26:55]  It is an absolute freaking outrage of the highest proportions imaginable.
[00:27:01]  And, you know, they have crossed the proverbial Rubicon so many times now, Charlie.
[00:27:05]  I mean, they crossed it definitely when this indictment even dropped in the first place, the first ever indictment brought.
[00:27:11]  They obviously crossed it way back in 2018 with the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearing and throwing out four to 5,000 years of norms of civilization, all innocent or proven guilty.
[00:27:19]  How many Rubicons do they have to cross until our side, including my fellow lawyers, wake the heck up and realize what is happening in this country and realize that this neutral playing field, this idea of lady justice, of blindfolded justice, of liberal norms of neutrality, it's gone.
[00:27:38]  It is done right now.
[00:27:40]  And if you want to restore that, which is a noble and laudable goal, it's going to take some getting of our hands really dirty.
[00:27:46]  We're going to have to bloody up some notices.
[00:27:49]  What does that mean, Josh?
[00:27:50]  I mean, let's get into the details here.
[00:27:52]  And Blake is here as well.
[00:27:54]  We got to measure twice and cut once.
[00:27:55]  What does that mean?
[00:27:56]  I hate to drill you down away from the abstractions.
[00:27:59]  What does that mean with specificity here?
[00:28:01]  So we need to see DAs and attorneys general start engaging in equally high-profile politicized prosecutions.
[00:28:09]  By the way, it doesn't bring me any joy to come on your show, Charlie, and openly advocate for politicized prosecutions.
[00:28:16]  But the point is that if you want to restore some sense of neutrality, you have to make them feel the pain.
[00:28:23]  I mean, it's the whole idea of mutually assured destruction.
[00:28:25]  So for example, if you are a DA, let's say you're a 30 to 35 year old Republican DA in like the Texas panhandle in some very red jurisdiction, you want to make some inroads, you're ambitious, start filing some very creative prosecutions.
[00:28:38]  Find some charge to bring Anthony Fauci and Deborah Burks down there.
[00:28:42]  What about Hunter Biden?
[00:28:43]  Well, his gun charge, his gun trial starts on Monday, and then his tax trial allegedly starts back in September.
[00:28:49]  But there's a lot of meat left on that bone.
[00:28:51]  I mean, no one's touched any of the FARA stuff, the Ukraine corruption, China, any of that.
[00:28:54]  There's a lot of meat left on Hunter Biden as well there.
[00:28:57]  How about immigration?
[00:28:58]  Immigration is by far the number one issue that the country should be deciding the 2024 election based on.
[00:29:04]  You know, if you're a prosecutor down in Texas, in my state of Florida, Arizona, wherever, any state that has had a large illegal alien influx over the course of the Biden presidency, which is basically every state for that matter, actually, you know, and if you're a prosecutor, try to get some high-profile prosecution against a major open borders advocate who's maybe leading a human trafficking ring.
[00:29:23]  Someone who would actually not just do legal damage, but the optics of that would actually try to rejuvenate our side, to give our side hope that we actually can come to the playing field and fight again.
[00:29:33]  It's going to be a long slog back from the abyss, but you're going to have to.
[00:29:37]  Josh, I'm in complete harmony.
[00:29:39]  No, I totally agree.
[00:29:40]  I'm going to interrupt.
[00:29:41]  We're just short on time.
[00:29:42]  Why haven't they done that, Josh?
[00:29:43]  What is in the DNA?
[00:29:45]  What is in the muscle memory?
[00:29:46]  What is in the shared experience of the Republican DAs and AGs?
[00:29:54]  Why hasn't this not been done?
[00:29:55]  Why is this so hard?
[00:29:57]  Well, look, as someone who kind of, you know, I went to a top law school.
[00:30:00]  I was a federal society member.
[00:30:01]  I still am a federal society.
[00:30:02]  I mean, like, Charlie, you have to understand the milieu in which right-wing lawyers come from.
[00:30:07]  I mean, I know because I'm one of them.
[00:30:08]  And you basically exist in kind of this bubble in law school.
[00:30:11]  Maybe it's changed since I graduated 80 years ago, but you exist in this bubble where you're liberal classmates and you, oh, you disagree about the law a little bit.
[00:30:18]  We're going to go ahead and get drinks after class there.
[00:30:20]  This is kind of the whole idea of originalism as a jurisprudential philosophy.
[00:30:24]  I mean, this whole idea that we're just going to give it a good faith and then the left is going to come in and somehow we're not going to get railroaded because their justices vote in a row every single time.
[00:30:32]  And then all it takes is one of our guys to defect on so-called principled grounds and then we're screwed.
[00:30:37]  So, I mean, the two sides are definitionally not equal.
[00:30:40]  And until we structurally just change the way that young conservative law students, college students who are applying to law school, it starts there.
[00:30:49]  Then it'll start to kind of trickle into the DAs and the AGs and people like that.
[00:30:52]  But it's going to take a long time, I fear.
[00:30:55]  Yeah, no, I think that's so well said.
[00:30:57]  And it's, I know of what you speak.
[00:31:00]  And I like the Federalist Society.
[00:31:02]  I think that the strategy has been really prudent and good to try to win back the courts and to try to recenter us away from the war in court and the burger courts that we saw.
[00:31:12]  That was really what invigorated this whole multi-decade, multi-generation, generational constitutional nonprofit project.
[00:31:20]  And it's been terrific.
[00:31:22]  However, you have to be honest about the country you're living in.
[00:31:28]  And if the institutions that you revere are no longer the institutions that you once revered, then you have to be honest.
[00:31:36]  And I'm afraid there's a lot of delusion because I think people are afraid because it's not dissimilar to like the COVID vaccine or towards other limiting beliefs where people are like afraid that if that is not true, then like what else might not be true?
[00:31:52]  And high society is the most attached to these limiting beliefs.
[00:31:57]  I only use the COVID vaccine as just one thing.
[00:31:59]  I don't mean to loop that in, but there are things in society where people are afraid to even discuss it because it might bring you to two, three, four, five steps beyond that.
[00:32:08]  And you're like, I just, I can't process it because my entire world is going to fall apart.
[00:32:12]  And for a lot of high society conservative lawyers, their entire life, their existence is built around the idea of the impenetrable and the honest American justice system.
[00:32:24]  Guess what?
[00:32:24]  It's not.
[00:32:25]  Well, I think that you really nailed it because, again, these lawyers who grew up in this milieu that I was describing earlier, you know, you want to get to the corridors of power.
[00:32:35]  I mean, you still want to work in the elite law firms.
[00:32:37]  You still want to work in the elite agencies in Washington, D.C. Maybe you want to be general counsel at a Fortune 500 company, something like that.
[00:32:44]  And that necessarily is going to cloud your judgment insofar as you are not going to want to see your colleagues as an enemy who wants to throw you into a proverbial or perhaps even, God forbid, a literal gulag, right?
[00:32:57]  I mean, it's going to cloud your judgment.
[00:32:58]  You're not going to be able to see clearly when you still want to be friendly with these people or at least be amicable with them or have them as acquaintances.
[00:33:06]  And, you know, I'm not saying that you should, you know, cut out everyone who does not agree with you or see eye to eye from your life, but you do have to be clear-eyed about the state of the prosecutorial apparatus in this country right now.
[00:33:19]  You know, one of the greatest misconceptions that I've heard over the past 24 hours is, oh, it's just Trump.
[00:33:25]  You know, he's an infamous felon.
[00:33:26]  I mean, he was palling around with Roy Cohn decades ago and he was tented to the mafia.
[00:33:31]  It's just Trump.
[00:33:32]  No, it's actually not just Trump.
[00:33:34]  I mean, where have these people been living that they think it's just Trump?
[00:33:37]  I can go at least as far back as when the Obama administration started prosecuting the little sisters of the poor, nuns.
[00:33:43]  They sued nuns for failing to subsidize abortive fashions as part of Obamacare.
[00:33:49]  So this whole prosecute your political enemies thing at least started during the Obama administration.
[00:33:54]  But the Biden administration has obviously taken it to the next level.
[00:33:56]  We've seen pro-lifers who are being prosecuted under a ridiculous interpretation of the FACE Act.
[00:34:01]  Obviously, all the January 6 prisoners is John Eastman, my good friend, what's happened to him is beyond appalling, beyond the pale.
[00:34:08]  He's being disbarred in California, prosecuted in Georgia, Arizona.
[00:34:12]  I mean, the list just goes on and on at this point.
[00:34:13]  So this is not, this is not just about Trump.
[00:34:17]  This is like the new normal at this point within the bowels of Democratic Party and progressive liberal legal thinking.
[00:34:24]  So, you know, amidst that reality, again, I just have to ask, I mean, like, what more is it going to take?
[00:34:31]  And the problem when it comes to law schools, I guess one final thought on this.
[00:34:36]  You don't have a whole lot of lawyers who become law professors who see it.
[00:34:40]  There are very, very, very few law professors in America who have been openly critical of the Trump prosecutions.
[00:34:46]  I can name a few.
[00:34:47]  There are a laudable, noble few.
[00:34:49]  But the fact that I can think in my head, like literally individually, who those people are, that is itself the problem.
[00:34:55]  And until we change the culture of the law schools, I just fear that we're not going to be able to kind of make inroads to do the sort of nose-bloodying that you and I know must be done.
[00:35:05]  Yeah, I mean, this is where my crusade against college is at its weakest because you actually need elites.
[00:35:13]  You need people that are getting their JDs and people that are becoming lawyers.
[00:35:18]  When I say that college is a scam, I mean it, but we actually need people at the top of society.
[00:35:22]  Josh, plug your stuff.
[00:35:24]  Yeah, so just real quick in 10 seconds, Charlie, to your point about college scam.

=== The Law School Problem (00:35) ===

[00:35:27]  We need class traitors.
[00:35:28]  People like Trump, Josh Hawley, JD Vance, who have the elite degrees, but then they're traitors to the ruling class.
[00:35:33]  They stand with the deplorables.
[00:35:34]  We need more class traitors is what we need.
[00:35:36]  Anyway, I host two shows, the Josh Hammer Show and American Trial with Josh Hammer.
[00:35:40]  I write a syndicated weekly column that goes up in Newsweek and a bunch of other write-up center publications on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer, and then Instagram at Josh B. Hammer.
[00:35:48]  Very good, Josh.
[00:35:49]  God bless.
[00:35:49]  Thanks so much.
[00:35:50]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:35:51]  Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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