The Charlie Kirk Show - The Rise of Independent Media — and the Fall of the Old
Aired: 2024-02-23
Duration: 34:06


=== Independent Media and Supreme Court (01:38) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody, it's on the Charlie Kirk show.
[00:00:01]  Citizen Kane joins the program.
[00:00:03]  We talk about the rise of independent media, a new story of something in front of the Supreme Court and more.
[00:00:10]  We also talk about Javier Millay, Bukele, and the international rise of the populists, where we could learn something.
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=== Election Day Norms Smashed (07:55) ===

[00:01:38]  Thank you for defending me, by the way, in the last week.
[00:01:41]  It's always good to have the Citizen Free Press Nation having my back.
[00:01:46]  So thank you for that.
[00:01:47]  You are a patriot and a scholar.
[00:01:51]  Those, you know, can they get more patently obvious when the RNC is upset and seven unnamed sources go running to NBC?
[00:02:01]  I hope readers saw those stories in the stack.
[00:02:04]  The knives were out for you, Charlie.
[00:02:05]  It means you're having success.
[00:02:08]  Well, and if you didn't know, the knives are out for me, it's okay because two separate publications both use the same headline that the knives are out for me.
[00:02:16]  So, Kane, love it.
[00:02:17]  I visited, I actually checked.
[00:02:19]  I visited Citizen Free Press 48 times yesterday.
[00:02:23]  I just keep on refreshing it.
[00:02:25]  And by the way, it's because you keep it so updated.
[00:02:28]  You found something noteworthy.
[00:02:29]  This is breaking news, Kane.
[00:02:31]  What is this controversial January 6th obstruction charge that SCOTUS is going to hear?
[00:02:35]  Walk us through it.
[00:02:36]  Well, you know the case very well.
[00:02:38]  It's one of the J6 defendants.
[00:02:41]  He petitioned the Supreme Court, and Amy Howe on SCOTUS blog yesterday gave an update.
[00:02:48]  The Supreme Court agreed to hear oral arguments in Fisher versus the United States on April 16th.
[00:02:56]  And why that's significant is: number one, that's two months from now before they even hear the case.
[00:03:00]  This is that strange obstruction of an official proceeding charge that is supposed to relate to deletion of electronic records as it was first applied in the Enron case 20 years ago.
[00:03:14]  So the J6 prosecutors have twisted that charge, have 300, they have it against 300 different J6 defendants, and it also makes up two of the four charges against Trump in the Jack Smith case.
[00:03:28]  So everyone is paying attention to the immunity issue and whether the Supreme Court will issue a stay or what they will do with that ruling and how that will delay the Jack Smith trial.
[00:03:38]  But they're sort of forgetting that if two of the four charges against Trump are still to be decided by the Supreme Court, then there's no way that trial can begin until that decision comes.
[00:03:51]  So it's an April 16th oral arguments, and Amy Howe said the decision would be due in late June.
[00:03:57]  So as a last thought on that, the Trump team hasn't brought this up in a filing because the case, the Judge Chutkin case is essentially, you know, it's delayed right now based on the immunity issue.
[00:04:11]  So as soon as that immunity issue is decided either positively or negatively for Trump, then they will be able to do a filing and say, not so fast, Jack Smith.
[00:04:21]  You can't proceed on these other two charges because of the Supreme Court.
[00:04:26]  So that's my nuts.
[00:04:28]  That's super smart, Kane.
[00:04:29]  And but Blake, I want you to chime in quick.
[00:04:31]  That also, this has delayed any motions too.
[00:04:34]  Basically, it has frozen the entire move of the court.
[00:04:37]  Is that right?
[00:04:38]  Exactly.
[00:04:38]  And it's all about, is it actually going to go before the court before election?
[00:04:44]  And a wild card here.
[00:04:45]  Can you just say how dysfunctional this is that we have election?
[00:04:47]  Like it shouldn't be anywhere near elections.
[00:04:50]  This is so damaging.
[00:04:51]  Well, you know, it's America, so it's always near an election, of course.
[00:04:54]  Okay, fine.
[00:04:54]  Sorry, continue.
[00:04:55]  I interrupt that.
[00:04:55]  Well, it's just traditionally the DOJ avoided advancing criminal stuff really close to an election.
[00:05:01]  So one interesting facet of this is, and that will really, I think, twist how people react to this, is are we going to get, you know, in October, and normally the DOJ would stand back, stand down for this time.
[00:05:17]  But is Jack Smith going to say, no, we need to ram this through as fast as we can?
[00:05:21]  I want this finished by election day.
[00:05:23]  We could see more norms get smashed up here.
[00:05:27]  Kane, the significance of the- Yeah, Kane, you want to riff on that?
[00:05:32]  Blake did make a good point.
[00:05:33]  Well, just that I think that's a good point.
[00:05:35]  I think that, and that's perfectly stated, norms get smashed.
[00:05:39]  They, you know, they've shown us this year that they don't, that they don't care about norms.
[00:05:43]  So I wouldn't be surprised if they, if they try to start this trial in July or August.
[00:05:47]  So so Kane, you, you've really, you've analyzed the horizon well on all the law fair stuff.
[00:05:52]  The Fannie Willis is falling apart.
[00:05:54]  That's the one that you and I were always really worried about.
[00:05:57]  The Alvin Bragg one doesn't seem too concerning, except that they're going to add, you know, Donald Trump's name is going to change.
[00:06:03]  It's no longer going to be Donald Trump.
[00:06:05]  It's going to be convicted felon Donald Trump.
[00:06:07]  It's going to be this, it's just kind of adding a new intro to him.
[00:06:12]  How are you thinking about the law fair, especially politically?
[00:06:15]  Do you think it's going to change up the state of the race?
[00:06:18]  I don't, Charlie.
[00:06:19]  And I'll tell you why, right?
[00:06:20]  What is the big thing, the big ace in the pocket that leftist media has pulled out over the last two months?
[00:06:25]  In every poll, they always say, hey, but we have this outlier poll that says 42% or 52% of Republicans would change their mind about Trump if he were convicted of a felony, right?
[00:06:38]  Well, here's why I don't believe those polls.
[00:06:40]  Those exact same polls existed 10 months ago and said 60% of Republicans would change their minds if Trump is indicted for a criminal charge, right?
[00:06:52]  So we had all those polls.
[00:06:53]  Those were probably helping DeSantis back, you know, more than a year ago at this time.
[00:06:58]  And what happened?
[00:06:59]  Trump was indicted four times and his support went up.
[00:07:02]  So I don't hold politically, I'm not afraid of a conviction because as you said, it's going to be, I mean, that's the whole Alvin Bragg case, right?
[00:07:12]  Everyone has said you can't criminalize an election violation, right?
[00:07:19]  I mean, the FEC would normally handle all of these things.
[00:07:23]  It's a misdemeanor at most, and you can't turn it into a felony.
[00:07:27]  But Judge Mershon is a corrupt judge in New York and Manhattan, and he's going to, you know, he doesn't seem to be putting up any roadblocks in front of the Alvin Bragg case.
[00:07:36]  So they're most likely going to get a conviction.
[00:07:39]  Now, as many have said, even, you know, Trump's enemy, John Bolton, said famously on CNN that this case has no chance on appeal.
[00:07:47]  But politically, they're going to try to get that convicted felon, and then they're going to run poll after poll to see if it's really true that Trump has now suddenly lost a huge base of support.
[00:07:58]  And quick answer, he won't.
[00:08:00]  There is no chance he's going to lose support for a conviction in the Alvin Bragg case.
[00:08:05]  I'll stick with that.
[00:08:07]  Yeah, so Kane, I think that Trump so far has been able to use this as... a benefit.
[00:08:13]  It's supercharged his campaign.
[00:08:15]  It's made him more sympathetic.
[00:08:17]  And it looks like the government is overreaching.
[00:08:20]  The 14th Amendment case looks like he's going to be on the ballot.
[00:08:23]  The Eugene Carroll stuff still needs to be kind of sorted out.
[00:08:27]  The Fannie Willis stuff, I think the Fannie Willis case in its current handling might win us the state of Georgia.
[00:08:33]  I really do.
[00:08:34]  I think it might win us the state of Georgia.
[00:08:35]  Your thoughts, Kane?
[00:08:36]  Well, I think I put up a poll yesterday.
[00:08:38]  He's already up about six in Georgia.
[00:08:41]  And there's no doubt.
[00:08:42]  I mean, I was shocked at how objectively the Atlanta Journal Constitution covered the trial last week or the hearing last week.
[00:08:50]  And I was stunned when they picked up the story and they put it on the front page this morning so quickly.
[00:08:55]  So I, you know, look, if you've lost the AJC, you're losing.
[00:09:00]  And I think, you know, they put a line in that story of that Judge Scott McAfee will have to decide whether to allow this evidence from the private investigator into trial.
[00:09:11]  That's, you know, that's wish casting there.
[00:09:13]  There is no chance that Scott McAfee can exclude this evidence.
[00:09:17]  And I think this was the death knell.
[00:09:19]  It's over.
[00:09:19]  Fannie Willis and Nathan Wade are off that case, and they will have to look for a completely new set of prosecutors, which will require a delay.
[00:09:29]  So I would go ahead and say there's no chance that case even begins before the election.

=== March Madness Odds Shift (07:39) ===

[00:09:34]  But I know you're a sports guy.
[00:09:35]  March Madness is around the corner, right?
[00:09:37]  Which is a holy time for us, right, Kane?
[00:09:39]  I want you to lay the odds.
[00:09:43]  What are the odds, Kane?
[00:09:45]  What is the over-under of Trump-Haley in South Carolina?
[00:09:48]  Give us the over-under.
[00:09:49]  You are Caesars Palace.
[00:09:50]  The over-under on what?
[00:09:52]  The margins?
[00:09:53]  The marginal.
[00:09:54]  Just the margin.
[00:09:56]  I would go, look, they're going to have Democrats, right?
[00:09:58]  They're going to have Democrats try to vote for Nikki, but I would say over-under.
[00:10:03]  If Vegas were offering 30, I would take it because I think it'll be, I think Trump will beat her by more than 100%.
[00:10:09]  Would you take 30?
[00:10:10]  If the line was 30, Blake?
[00:10:11]  I don't think Nikki Haley is going to make the Sweet 16.
[00:10:14]  That's not what we're talking about.
[00:10:16]  I know, but she won't even make, she wouldn't make the NIT bracket.
[00:10:20]  Ooh, that's brutal.
[00:10:21]  Not even NIT.
[00:10:22]  No.
[00:10:22]  That's gruesome.
[00:10:23]  For those of you that know, Kane knows what I'm talking about.
[00:10:26]  That's a true insult.
[00:10:28]  If it was 30 points, would I take the line?
[00:10:30]  Ryan, would you take the line at 30 points?
[00:10:34]  If it was a 30-point margin, Trump plus 30.
[00:10:38]  I don't know.
[00:10:39]  I'd have to think about that.
[00:10:41]  And Nikki's house.
[00:10:42]  That means I laid a good number.
[00:10:43]  Yeah, that means I laid it a good number.
[00:10:47]  That's right.
[00:10:47]  If it was 20, I would take it.
[00:10:49]  Let me just, it was 40, I'd back off.
[00:10:50]  So I think you're an odds maker, Kane.
[00:10:53]  You are an odds maker.
[00:10:54]  Yeah, whatever.
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[00:12:00]  Web traffic is just going amazing for citizenfreepress.com.
[00:12:03]  Speaking of which, I want to talk about how media has changed.
[00:12:07]  So, Kane, you are thriving.
[00:12:10]  How many staff do you have, Kane?
[00:12:11]  Like one and a half?
[00:12:13]  Yeah, I have someone who runs the Twitter feed, Spencer, and another guy who runs the true social and getter feeds.
[00:12:20]  These are guys who have been with me from the beginning, but that's it.
[00:12:23]  I run the site on my own, which is not good.
[00:12:26]  Okay, well, yeah, we got to talk about your health offline, Kane.
[00:12:30]  But so, Kane, what's your web traffic in?
[00:12:32]  I'm getting at this for a reason because you have a story on the stack I want to contrast this with.
[00:12:35]  Your web traffic is what, 130 million visitors or something?
[00:12:39]  We're doing 13 and a half to 14 million every day.
[00:12:43]  Not visitors, but total page views.
[00:12:45]  That's just incredible.
[00:12:46]  And yeah.
[00:12:48]  Well, you're doing something with one employee that Vice Media was not able to do.
[00:12:53]  Vice Media is done.
[00:12:54]  They plan to cut hundreds of jobs and stop publishing on its flagship website.
[00:12:58]  Kane, what do you do that Vice doesn't?
[00:13:04]  It's the business models.
[00:13:08]  I don't want to get too heavy into this because I could go for 10, 20 minutes on this, Charlie.
[00:13:13]  I've been watching media.
[00:13:15]  I was in media right out of college originally, and I worked for CNN and Lou Dobbs.
[00:13:20]  And I've just been paying attention forever.
[00:13:22]  And one of the things I always noticed is that you have a huge number of websites that do the same story.
[00:13:29]  And it happens at, you know, and so the problem is that when everyone wants to get into the media business, they essentially try to just sort of recreate what everyone else has done.
[00:13:43]  They create a website that does 20, 25 important stories a day.
[00:13:46]  But the problem is everyone, you know, many other websites are doing those same stories.
[00:13:50]  And so they have high fixed costs with very expensive writers.
[00:13:54]  So I knew from the beginning, I mean, obviously it's an aggregation site.
[00:13:58]  So it's, you know, it's like I luck out just based on that choice because I don't really have to do any of the writing, though I did originally, I was doing 50 or 60 of my own stories every day.
[00:14:11]  But as an aggregation site, as long as you've got the stamina, I mean, you talked about visiting 48 times the other day, which is insane.
[00:14:20]  But the reason that you're able to do that is, I mean, that's also the bane of my existence, right?
[00:14:25]  Because I know that people are coming every half hour.
[00:14:28]  They're coming every 20 or 30 minutes.
[00:14:31]  So I've got to have 10 or 15 stories every hour from 9 in the morning until 1 a.m.
[00:14:37]  So whatever.
[00:14:40]  Things could be worse.
[00:14:41]  I don't really have a right to complain.
[00:14:42]  No, but just Kane, I mean, I brag on you.
[00:14:44]  You're this bottom-up grassroots hero that is doing web traffic.
[00:14:48]  And Vice Media, who had George Soros backing it, is like collapsing and falling apart.
[00:14:53]  And here's the Mary Band.
[00:14:54]  Hundreds of millions.
[00:14:55]  Yeah.
[00:14:56]  Hundreds of millions.
[00:14:59]  Look at the messenger, the implosion of the messenger.
[00:15:01]  Jimmy Finkelstein did the exact same thing with the messenger.
[00:15:05]  He, I mean, they blew through 500 million, or maybe it was 50 million, but he blew through a huge amount of money just in six months.
[00:15:12]  And it seems as though no one thinks this out that these, you know, advertising isn't easy, as you know.
[00:15:18]  And it's not easy to keep a website going with advertising.
[00:15:22]  So you have to keep your costs as low as you possibly can.
[00:15:25]  And none of these entities seem to.
[00:15:27]  You got to give the Joe Biden presidency credit.
[00:15:29]  You have Vice, BuzzFeed, and HuffPost all basically dead in one presidency.
[00:15:34]  I mean, right?
[00:15:35]  I mean, if Trump was president, they'd all be like really popular.
[00:15:38]  It's just amazing because they were all bound up with that zeitgeist of Web 2.0, Facebook, new social media, and then on top of that being insanely anti-Trump.
[00:15:47]  And they're not even going to outlive Donald Trump's political career.
[00:15:50]  Not even close.
[00:15:51]  Kane, final thoughts on just the media landscape 2024, other stories you have your eyes on?
[00:15:57]  Well, first of all, you talked about the NCAA tournament.
[00:16:01]  So I want to give a shout out to Northwestern, which is, I know you grew up in Evanston.
[00:16:06]  I headed out of the CFP headquarters, the cave, for about an hour a week ago and saw Northwestern just dominate the Hoosiers in Assembly Hall.
[00:16:14]  So that's embarrassing.
[00:16:15]  As for the media outlook, it's going to be continued shrinkage.
[00:16:19]  The business models aren't working.
[00:16:21]  You know, you've got to figure out how to make it.
[00:16:23]  If you're running a media organization, you've got to figure out how to make it with unpaid interns.
[00:16:27]  It's the only way you can do it if you're going to write your own stories.
[00:16:30]  As for the Supreme Court, I want to add this really quick.
[00:16:33]  Here's the thing.
[00:16:34]  The Supreme Court could have avoided the Fisher case, right?
[00:16:38]  That was just one of hundreds of cases that were put before them in December, but they really, really quickly granted cert in that case.
[00:16:45]  And that should tell people something.
[00:16:47]  That should tell people that those two of four, that the two obstruction of an official proceeding charges are going to be thrown out in that Trump case.
[00:16:54]  And so I would like to direct people to, you know, pay close attention to that case.
[00:16:59]  And with that, I'll throw it back to you.
[00:17:01]  Happy Friday to both of you.
[00:17:03]  I will be visiting the website in 30 seconds, Kane.
[00:17:05]  Every 30 seconds.
[00:17:06]  So the pressure is on.
[00:17:07]  CitizenFreePress.com.
[00:17:08]  That is citizenfreepress.com.
[00:17:10]  Thank you so much.

=== Argentina Political Moment (15:33) ===

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[00:17:52]  All right.
[00:17:52]  Really interesting, important story here.
[00:17:55]  Joining us right now is Josie Glayback.
[00:17:58]  Josie, welcome to the program.
[00:18:00]  We're here to talk about Javier Millay, who amazingly was able to balance the budget.
[00:18:05]  Tell us all about it.
[00:18:06]  Sure.
[00:18:07]  So Argentina had a 135% inflation rate.
[00:18:12]  They were a Pyranist country with kind of socialist policies that all failed.
[00:18:16]  Pyronism is named for Juan Perrone, who is essentially an anti-capitalist corporate, who essentially created this anti-capitalist corporate model with a government middleman.
[00:18:28]  But it's socialist adjacent.
[00:18:30]  And as we know, countries that are socialist adjacent or socialists themselves, like Venezuela, always fail and they often collapse.
[00:18:38]  In this case, though, Argentinians, they found a solution and they found it in an anarcho-capitalist, libertarian-leaning man, Javier Malay.
[00:18:49]  And it really, it's much like our founding fathers, kind of his policies.
[00:18:54]  And it's really exciting.
[00:18:56]  So he speaks about socialists scathingly in the same way like our founders spoke about King George.
[00:19:02]  And he wanted to cut off the head of the snake, which he did.
[00:19:06]  So his policy positions were to cut spending through the cutting the ministries was the main way that he was going to do this.
[00:19:12]  And that's essentially equivalent to cutting the Department of Education, the Department of Interior, you know, that sort of stuff, which he did.
[00:19:21]  So within nine and a half weeks, he created a surplus in his budget, which is just incredible.
[00:19:31]  So before Javier Malay took office, Argentina's inflation rate had been rising at about 16% a month, roughly.
[00:19:40]  And Malay's plan was to devalue the peso 50% to kind of make it.
[00:19:46]  So their peso was issued by Argentinian politicians.
[00:19:51]  It wasn't backed by anything.
[00:19:53]  So his goal was to decrease the value of the peso, devalue it by 50%, which he did.
[00:20:00]  And this created, as he told Argentinians, it would create some kind of a little bit of backlash that would be temporary and create a little bit of poverty.
[00:20:08]  So there was a little bit of temporary fallout, but this is how you kind of have to quell triple digit inflation.
[00:20:14]  So he's done that.
[00:20:14]  He's created a surplus.
[00:20:16]  And, you know, the rest is history.
[00:20:18]  I'm really excited to see how the rest of his administration goes.
[00:20:21]  Yeah, that's really interesting.
[00:20:23]  So is this popular with the Argentinian people so far, what he is doing?
[00:20:28]  Yes.
[00:20:29]  I had a tweet that went viral and was retweeted.
[00:20:34]  I shouldn't say retweeted, reposted by Javier Malay himself.
[00:20:37]  So I was getting feedback from Argentinians.
[00:20:39]  I was getting feedback from kind of everybody.
[00:20:42]  And there are some Argentinians that still lean left and they're like, we're starving.
[00:20:47]  And it's like, well, part of quelling this inflation was having to devalue the peso, which was going to make it a little bit harder to survive for a little bit.
[00:20:55]  But, you know, you just voted in all these policies for 12 years or whatever that you've been, you've been starving for 12 years, dude, you know?
[00:21:01]  So, of course, you know, there's some people who are unhappy just because they're always going to be unhappy because they're socialist and the capitalist policy is working.
[00:21:11]  But most people are so happy with the progress of this.
[00:21:16]  They know they have a surplus.
[00:21:18]  They know that they're going to be going towards the dollar.
[00:21:20]  He's open to other monetary currencies like Bitcoin.
[00:21:24]  This is just a really exciting all-around what's happening in Argentina.
[00:21:29]  And it shows that, you know, if our government wanted to fix our stuff, they could.
[00:21:36]  Yeah.
[00:21:36]  I mean, Blake, you have some thoughts on this.
[00:21:38]  By the way, just speaking of silver, Argentina doesn't mean the silver country.
[00:21:41]  Silverland.
[00:21:42]  Argenti is silver in Latin.
[00:21:45]  It's just Argentina has incredible natural resources, amazing, amazing grass-fed beef.
[00:21:51]  I think the greatest on the planet.
[00:21:52]  I mean, it's a lot like the United States.
[00:21:54]  Huge amounts of land was basically very lightly settled.
[00:21:59]  They had their own Indian wars in about the same time we did.
[00:22:02]  They had their own cowboy culture.
[00:22:03]  A lot of cultural similarities.
[00:22:06]  But and 100 years ago, they were one of the richest countries in the world.
[00:22:10]  There was a saying, rich as an Argentine, because you'd have these fabulously wealthy Argentine beef magnates traveling to Europe and living it up.
[00:22:19]  It was almost like they were like the Arab sheiks of their day.
[00:22:23]  Wow.
[00:22:23]  And they basically had this political moment.
[00:22:26]  She mentioned Juan Peron, Peronism, where they had the Perones.
[00:22:31]  It was Juan Peron and his wife Evita.
[00:22:33]  She has, I believe, a musical about her.
[00:22:35]  Don't cry for me, Argentina.
[00:22:37]  Ava Peron?
[00:22:39]  Whatever.
[00:22:39]  Yes, no, you might be.
[00:22:40]  And I think Evita was probably the nickname.
[00:22:43]  And so Peronism is very complicated.
[00:22:47]  If you try to read a summary of it, it like is really confusing.
[00:22:52]  And but a lot of it was basically proto-wokeness.
[00:22:56]  And they'll frame it sometimes as like right wing or left-wing, or sometimes they'll kind of make it quasi-fascist.
[00:23:02]  But what a lot of it was, was it was this sort of socialist-esque stuff.
[00:23:06]  Yes.
[00:23:06]  And really, ever since that happened, Argentina's never been able to get it back together.
[00:23:11]  They are the first country to go from being a first world country to a third world country.
[00:23:16]  And the amazing thing is they've done it twice.
[00:23:18]  And it's always just they embrace these bad economic policies and then they're stupid, but they're popular.
[00:23:26]  And good at stuff.
[00:23:27]  It's finally gotten bad enough that, yeah, they've hit the emergency button and they've elected basically the most extreme guy they possibly could.
[00:23:34]  And we'll see if it works.
[00:23:35]  And the sad thing is, it'll probably work.
[00:23:37]  And then in a decade, they'll say, but what if socialism could work this time?
[00:23:41]  Yeah.
[00:23:41]  So, Josie, the war continues.
[00:23:44]  The socialists are not calming down.
[00:23:45]  They're going to go for Malay.
[00:23:47]  But he seems to be determined.
[00:23:49]  Tell us more.
[00:23:51]  So I was actually going back and reading some of the comments when he was elected.
[00:23:56]  They were calling him Argentina's Donald Trump.
[00:23:59]  They were saying he's a populist, he's far right.
[00:24:02]  And they were using trigger words, you know, far right, Donald Trump.
[00:24:04]  And it's kind of like a bell for Pavlov's dog.
[00:24:07]  So, you know, they say these things and they're like, oh my God, this is bad.
[00:24:11]  Donald Trump bad.
[00:24:12]  Javier Malay bad.
[00:24:13]  And, you know, they lose their minds over this guy.
[00:24:17]  But, you know, nine and a half weeks and there's a surplus of money in the country.
[00:24:21]  So, I mean, is he really that bad?
[00:24:27]  Are these things really that bad?
[00:24:28]  You know, I mean, it all got memory hold pretty quick.
[00:24:30]  I had to go back and find old articles to find this stuff again, but they're really just not acknowledging it.
[00:24:37]  Or they're talking about, as I said earlier, the fact that poverty went up because of his policy.
[00:24:44]  But that was, that's how he well the inflation.
[00:24:46]  That was a natural.
[00:24:48]  Yeah.
[00:24:48]  He's signed up.
[00:24:48]  He's kind of a wacky guy.
[00:24:50]  He doesn't seem to care, though, meaning not care that like there's not poverty, meaning he knows that it's going to require, it's like taking your cough syrup medicine.
[00:24:58]  You don't like it, but it's going to help.
[00:25:00]  And it just seems as if he just knows that you're going to have to embrace the haters and so be it.
[00:25:07]  Yes.
[00:25:08]  And he's very, very vulgar.
[00:25:09]  I was trying to find some quotes to read to you, but they're all written with swears because I don't know how he speaks.
[00:25:16]  But, you know, it speaks to the normal people.
[00:25:19]  It speaks to the people who are angry.
[00:25:21]  He was explaining the currency, how it's backed by politicians.
[00:25:25]  And he's like, I'm just going to put it really simply.
[00:25:27]  He's like, it's garbage.
[00:25:28]  It's not even good enough for fertilizer.
[00:25:30]  It's worth nothing.
[00:25:31]  And, you know, obviously it was riddled with cuss words.
[00:25:34]  But he, and then before he got elected, he was showing what he was, how he was going to, how he was going to do it.
[00:25:42]  And he had a board up, a whiteboard, and it had all of these different ministries on it.
[00:25:48]  And he went through and he took one.
[00:25:49]  He's like, afraid, take it and throw it down.
[00:25:52]  He's like, even if they resist, he was going to get rid of their department.
[00:25:55]  And they had ministries that we don't have.
[00:25:58]  Like, I think there was like a, there were woke ministries mixed in there.
[00:26:01]  I think there was like a ministry of the LGBTQ or something like that, too.
[00:26:04]  Like he really just abolished as much as he could, maybe like 90% of them.
[00:26:08]  And I mean, maybe Blake, you will know, or Josie, does he have to go through a Congress equivalent to do this?
[00:26:13]  Or is there some of this through executive power?
[00:26:15]  He does.
[00:26:16]  And they are holding up a lot of what he wanted to do.
[00:26:19]  So even what he's doing now is a more moderate version.
[00:26:21]  And he's used some emergency powers that he has.
[00:26:23]  So this is definitely Argentina is not fixed yet.
[00:26:27]  And in fact, their economy in the next six months is going to be really painful.
[00:26:30]  It's a lot of crime, probably.
[00:26:31]  Well, it's the classic, like, if you ignore a medical problem for, you know, five years, fixing it is going to be a lot harder than it's where America's headed.
[00:26:37]  Got it early.
[00:26:38]  Yeah.
[00:26:38]  All right.
[00:26:38]  Let's listen.
[00:26:39]  Let's listen to this.
[00:26:40]  Afuera, 139.
[00:26:50]  Afuera.
[00:26:51]  Ministerio de la pujero de seciono de diversía.
[00:26:54]  Afuera.
[00:26:55]  Ministerio de la Rapúblicas.
[00:26:57]  Afuera.
[00:26:58]  Ao que teta resistas.
[00:27:00]  Ministerio de sienzi tecnologia de innovación.
[00:27:03]  Afuera.
[00:27:03]  Ministio tamáco complexo ya social.
[00:27:05]  Afuera.
[00:27:06]  Ministio de edución.
[00:27:07]  Adofinamentos.
[00:27:08]  Afuera.
[00:27:09]  Ministerio de taporte.
[00:27:10]  Afuera.
[00:27:10]  Ministio de salud.
[00:27:12]  Afueda.
[00:27:13]  Ministerio de zaroso social.
[00:27:15]  Afueada.
[00:27:16]  Siacabo el curo de la política.
[00:27:20]  Viebacaco.
[00:27:21]  I mean, Josie, I can't imagine an American politician doing that.
[00:27:24]  We're too addicted to big government.
[00:27:26]  I can see Congressman Massey doing that, but maybe that's it.
[00:27:32]  Yeah, I just, you know, there's you should do it while yelling afuera in a Kentucky accent.
[00:27:36]  Oh, it would just, I mean, it is something.
[00:27:38]  So final takeaway, Josie, about a minute remaining.
[00:27:41]  How can we apply this to American politics?
[00:27:43]  I find it to be an inspiration.
[00:27:44]  Yeah.
[00:27:45]  Well, we need to have a president in there that does that.
[00:27:49]  We need to have a Congress that won't hold up the president.
[00:27:55]  We just, we need to vote in favor of ourselves, not in favor of how we feel to be able to get politicians who are liberty-minded.
[00:28:04]  So the fact that Argentina's elected somebody, the fact that we're seeing what's happening, the fact that we are in chaos right now and people are looking to vote red when they've never voted red before in their lives.
[00:28:15]  Our economy, everything is failing right now, and everybody's struggling.
[00:28:19]  You feel it personally.
[00:28:20]  So hopefully they make changes at the ballot box and we get somebody and you know Donald Trump in there.
[00:28:26]  Thank you so much, Josie.
[00:28:27]  Great work.
[00:28:27]  Really appreciate it.
[00:28:28]  Thank you.
[00:28:29]  And then also check out her spaces.
[00:28:30]  It's Josie on Timcast.com.
[00:28:33]  So check it out.
[00:28:34]  Check out her spaces.
[00:28:35]  Thanks so much, Josie.
[00:28:36]  Thank you.
[00:28:39]  So who would ever think that we'd be looking to a small Central American country for leadership at CPAC?
[00:28:47]  Mr. Bukele speak.
[00:28:48]  Give us the background on this.
[00:28:50]  I mean, the whole picture.
[00:28:52]  I mean, so for 50 years, El Salvador, El Salvador was preposterously violent.
[00:29:00]  You would have a whole country where the murder rate for the average year would be as bad as, you know, the worst neighborhood in St. Louis or Baltimore, just year in, year out.
[00:29:09]  And it would fluctuate a bit, but it was always high.
[00:29:12]  And in, I believe, 2019, they elected Bukele.
[00:29:17]  He was the mayor of San Salvador, the capital.
[00:29:20]  And he came in and it was sort of interesting.
[00:29:23]  He slowplayed it a little bit.
[00:29:25]  He was just talking about, okay, we need to build up our security state.
[00:29:28]  And according to claims, they'll claim that he negotiated a ceasefire with these gangs or is working with them in some capacity.
[00:29:36]  And what's interesting is it seems like he might have been doing the Muhammad Ali Ropa Dope strat, where you let them lure them into a sense of security.
[00:29:45]  And then they angered them and they did kind of a killing spree.
[00:29:48]  And in one day, they shot more than 20 people.
[00:29:51]  Who did?
[00:29:52]  The gangs did in El Salvador.
[00:29:53]  And these are really awful gangs.
[00:29:54]  They're not even drug cartels.
[00:29:56]  It's the worst trashy extortion racket, protection money stuff.
[00:30:01]  Just they terrorize everyone and it's awful.
[00:30:03]  And so they do this stuff and they think the government is going to cow, be cowed like every other government has.
[00:30:09]  And instead, he just announces a state of emergency, which is still in place, actually, two years later.
[00:30:15]  And they just start rounding everyone up who's known to be in a gang.
[00:30:19]  And it's kind of easy to tell.
[00:30:20]  They have all these tattoos that make them quite identifiable.
[00:30:23]  And he arrests 1% of the entire Salvadoran population.
[00:30:28]  One in every hundred people just grab them, take them away.
[00:30:32]  And they just, it's really amazing what they've done.
[00:30:36]  They've done stuff that I think we would agree.
[00:30:38]  We would actually not want a lot of this done in the U.S. because it is really over the top.
[00:30:43]  But when you're in a country, when you have the murder rate of El Salvador, it's like you're in a war.
[00:30:48]  You probably have a in the worst.
[00:30:50]  It's worse than living in Chicago.
[00:30:51]  Or it's worse than living in Ukraine.
[00:30:54]  And it was just so encompassing.
[00:30:58]  Every part of their society was so bad.
[00:31:00]  And he just said, no, this is not acceptable.
[00:31:02]  You can't have all these other things.
[00:31:04]  You can't, frankly, he's like, we have to roll back due process.
[00:31:08]  Due process is a privilege you can have when you're not in a state of war.
[00:31:11]  And we think of that with actual wars.
[00:31:13]  Habeas corpus was suspended during the Civil War.
[00:31:15]  Exactly.
[00:31:15]  Or just our rules of fire in a state of war is not the same as we don't arrest every single guy in the Taliban and put them on trial before we decide that you're allowed to shoot at them.
[00:31:25]  And it was like that.
[00:31:26]  And it was just this radical step.
[00:31:27]  And so their murder rate went from one of the worst in the world to now it's lower than America's.
[00:31:32]  Bukele at CPAC.
[00:31:34]  It's pretty remarkable stuff.
[00:31:35]  Play cut 138.
[00:31:36]  The disease that had begun with mild symptoms got worse and worse.
[00:31:42]  It became a cancer that seemed incurable.
[00:31:47]  We are already seeing these symptoms in the United States.
[00:31:50]  Big cities in decline, like Baltimore, Portland, New York, just to name a few.
[00:31:55]  Places where crime and drugs have become the daily norm and even accepted and promoted by the government.
[00:32:03]  And so, what does Soros have to do with all this?
[00:32:08]  He was pumping in money through NGOs or something.
[00:32:11]  Well, so Soros does this open societies thing that he does in every country where he funds his vision of an open society.
[00:32:18]  And we've seen in the U.S. what that's like.
[00:32:20]  It's always be very soft on crime, be very indulgent of criminals because I guess deep down, it's like if we aren't really indulgent of criminals, then like Hitler comes back.
[00:32:32]  And in reality, it's the exact opposite.
[00:32:34]  The only way you'd ever get something like that is an enormous backlash to this sort of chaos.
[00:32:39]  And I think to Bukele's credit, he just said this is not how anyone wants to live in their country.
[00:32:45]  We are going to crack down on it.

=== Flee America Crime Crackdown (01:19) ===

[00:32:47]  And then once you do that, you can have all the other nice parts of living in a free country.
[00:32:52]  It's just you cannot allow thug terrorist monsters to destroy everything.
[00:32:57]  El Salvadorian citizens used to flee to America.
[00:33:00]  Now the MS-13 gangs flee to America.
[00:33:02]  Yeah.
[00:33:03]  The opposite.
[00:33:03]  And we let them all in, of course.
[00:33:04]  Oh, yeah.
[00:33:04]  No.
[00:33:05]  And by the way, that's why we're seeing our murder rate go up, our rape rate go up, our arson rate, you know, armed robbery break in.
[00:33:11]  The message has gone out to the entire planet that America is just.
[00:33:14]  It's a dumping ground.
[00:33:15]  It's a dumping ground.
[00:33:16]  It's open season.
[00:33:17]  Just imagine what they must say on websites that are not in English.
[00:33:22]  Where they'll say, oh, you can go to America.
[00:33:24]  Just walk in.
[00:33:25]  They'll let you in.
[00:33:26]  They'll give you asylum.
[00:33:26]  Oh, you can join this program in New York that gives you $15,000 a year.
[00:33:30]  Just say the right things.
[00:33:31]  No one's going to check.
[00:33:32]  You don't need to pay taxes.
[00:33:34]  No one's actually checking that either.
[00:33:36]  And you can just commit crime after crime after crime, rob people's homes.
[00:33:40]  The police are totally overmatched.
[00:33:42]  It's just, it is like America's a giant.
[00:33:44]  We're like Smog's treasure horde in that Hobbit movie that wasn't very good.
[00:33:48]  And everyone's grabbing their take.
[00:33:50]  Blake, excellent work today.
[00:33:51]  Thanks so much.
[00:33:54]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:33:55]  Everybody, email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:33:58]  Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
[00:34:02]  For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.