The Charlie Kirk Show - Joy Reid Admits She's a Joke with Darren Beattie and Tom Schatz
Aired: 2023-07-05
Duration: 33:41


=== Sanders' Healthcare Bill (09:39) ===

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[00:01:15]  Joining us now is Tom Schatz from the Citizens Against Government Waste.
[00:01:20]  We are doing some things together to get the word out about this bill, Senate Bill 1399, that is passing through the Senate.
[00:01:28]  Well, hopefully it's not passing, but Senator Bernie Sanders, Marxist Communist Fag guy, is pushing this forward.
[00:01:33]  Tom, welcome to the program.
[00:01:34]  Tell us about this piece of legislation.
[00:01:36]  Well, Charlie, thank you very much for having me on.
[00:01:39]  Anything that Senator Bernie Sanders does in relation to health care, as we know, is intended to increase government control over every decision we make affecting the way we choose to take care of ourselves, what doctors we want, what medicines we can predict, how much we're going to pay for them.
[00:01:56]  So his bill, S1339, is a quote-unquote reform bill related to pharmacy benefit managers who help serve 275 million Americans, save them an average of $1,040 every year on the cost of their prescription drugs.
[00:02:14]  And the entire arrangement is voluntarily made by employers, unions, state and local governments, even the federal government, to have the pharmacy benefit managers negotiate prices so that their employees or members can save money.
[00:02:33]  It's pretty simple.
[00:02:34]  And Senator Sanders wants to say, no, we're not going to allow you to do this in the way you've been doing it.
[00:02:39]  So it will cost everybody more and add on layers and layers of more regulations across the healthcare system.
[00:02:46]  Yeah, and so this sounds like something Bernie would be pushing, which of course is try to get us closer to a socialized healthcare, private property confiscation system.
[00:02:55]  And, you know, we've been educating our audience about this.
[00:02:58]  And Senator Sanders is using his newfound power in the Senate.
[00:03:02]  He's always cared about healthcare more than anything else, right?
[00:03:05]  He's always cared about the erosion of liberty and freedom.
[00:03:09]  So talk about what this would mean concretely if this were to pass, right?
[00:03:13]  It's SB 1339.
[00:03:15]  And in fact, we have a call to action for our audience here that I know that we're partnering with you on that I want to make sure people are aware of.
[00:03:22]  It is lowermydrugprices.com.
[00:03:25]  So what would this mean concretely?
[00:03:27]  Well, it means that the pharmacy benefit managers who use tools like rebates and pharmacy networks, they review drug utilization, formularies, specialty pharmacies, they use every tool that they can to help lower prices.
[00:03:42]  Otherwise, why would so many employers and unions and associations and governments use them?
[00:03:48]  They don't have to, but there's evidence that the Government Accountability Office found in 2019 that under Medicare Part D, when the pharmacy benefit managers are utilized, it helps save money.
[00:04:00]  Federal Trade Commission, not this Federal Trade Commission under Lena Kahn, but in 2005 and again in 2014, the Federal Trade Commission also said that pharmacy benefit managers help save money.
[00:04:13]  So no matter what Senator Sanders says about this quote-unquote reform or it will reduce prices, everything he does is intended to set price controls, whether it's to impact research and development of new drugs.
[00:04:28]  He tried to add another list of drugs when they were negotiating the debt ceiling.
[00:04:33]  He's now trying to impact the transfer of technology from universities to pharmaceutical companies.
[00:04:39]  Again, it would interfere with the development of new drugs.
[00:04:42]  It's all about the government controlling everything related to healthcare.
[00:04:47]  Which has always been their goal.
[00:04:50]  So I'm reading the bill here, and Senator Sanders has some Republican co-sponsors, which is really surprising.
[00:04:58]  What the heck is going on here?
[00:04:59]  Why is Bill Cassidy and some of these other people, Mike Braun, partnering with a communist from Vermont?
[00:05:07]  Well, I think there's another issue involved.
[00:05:10]  They are trying to pass legislation that would cap the price of insulin, which is a totally different issue.
[00:05:17]  And then they're trying to tie this in together.
[00:05:20]  That's what may occur as early as next week on the Senate floor.
[00:05:23]  That's why we're trying so hard to stop this from coming to the floor and make sure that Republicans understand that they can either stand with Bernie or stand with the taxpayers, stand for government-run health care, or stand for healthcare choice and let individuals decide what they want to do about how they take care of themselves, what doctors they choose, what kind of pharmacy benefits they want through the people they work for or with.
[00:05:52]  And again, I don't know why.
[00:05:54]  I haven't asked them, but I think that they see quote-unquote reform and they think maybe this is a way to try to set some boundaries, but it's just more regulations.
[00:06:04]  And again, everything about price controls raises prices.
[00:06:07]  We've done extensive work on this.
[00:06:09]  I know people you talk to, it's the same thing.
[00:06:11]  You can't let Senator Sanders get away with this because he'll just keep going.
[00:06:16]  So, yeah, would it then give the power to the FTC?
[00:06:20]  I mean, every bill eventually is just a delegation.
[00:06:23]  So, would this then just give the Federal Trade Commission even more funding and power?
[00:06:27]  Is that correct?
[00:06:30]  Right.
[00:06:30]  So, again, I don't know why any Republican would want to give this Federal Trade Commission any more power.
[00:06:36]  There are no Republican commissioners.
[00:06:38]  Lena Kahn, who is the chair, is about as far left as you can possibly get.
[00:06:42]  She's trying to stop every single merger or acquisition, even if it's a small one.
[00:06:49]  She just doesn't believe in capitalism, to be honest.
[00:06:52]  So, to give them anything would really set up another capability of the FDC to set controls on another industry.
[00:07:03]  Look, they want to go into the privacy business.
[00:07:05]  They want to set privacy rules.
[00:07:06]  It's not their jurisdiction.
[00:07:08]  And that's just something else they're trying to do.
[00:07:10]  I just don't get why any Republican would want to do that.
[00:07:13]  It's over-regulation, again, would cause people to pay more, cut off the savings they're getting from the pharmacy benefit managers, and just create more controls over healthcare.
[00:07:25]  Well, yeah.
[00:07:25]  And so, if you were, again, I don't trust Bernie Sanders at all, and I know our audience doesn't either.
[00:07:30]  So, if you wanted to have nationalized health care, if you wanted to try and nationalize all the drug companies, wouldn't you then want an intermediary step which makes things more expensive and more chaotic to then one day justify socialized health care?
[00:07:45]  Well, sure.
[00:07:46]  This is, again, a way for him to interfere with what's working.
[00:07:51]  It is an area of the healthcare system, the pharmacy, pharmacy benefit managers that save money, proven to save money, found by federal agencies to save money, including one that would get more ability to regulate it, the FDC.
[00:08:05]  So I just wouldn't do anything that Bernie Sanders wants to do in relation to healthcare.
[00:08:11]  We know his underlying philosophy is socialism.
[00:08:13]  We know it's government-run everything.
[00:08:16]  So again, we're encouraging everybody across the country to go to lowermydrugprices.com, contact your legislator, your senator.
[00:08:24]  It'll connect you once you put in your name and address, and you can send them a letter saying, don't stand with Bernie.
[00:08:30]  Stand with us as taxpayers and keep him away from regulating healthcare.
[00:08:35]  So in closing, what is the timeline here?
[00:08:37]  This thing, they're really pushing this forward quickly.
[00:08:39]  So walk us through what the timeline looks like here.
[00:08:43]  Well, majority leader Chuck Schumer has talked about bringing up this insulin bill and then tying in this other bill, S1339, as early as next week, meaning the week of July 10th.
[00:08:53]  So we are trying to make sure this does not happen.
[00:08:56]  We need to convince enough Republicans, even some of those who have already co-sponsored this bill.
[00:09:01]  Again, not sure why they want to stand with Bernie and the Federal Trade Commission and not the taxpayers.
[00:09:06]  But that's the message we're trying to convey.
[00:09:08]  And we need all the help we can get.
[00:09:09]  And we greatly appreciate everything you've been doing, Charlie, to help us out.
[00:09:13]  Absolutely.
[00:09:14]  Anything Bernie Sanders is pushing needs to be stopped.
[00:09:17]  He is not a good person, and he wants the destruction of the country via our health care system.
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[00:09:23]  Thank you so much, Tom.
[00:09:24]  Thank you, Tron.
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=== Affirmative Action at Harvard (07:02) ===

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[00:10:20]  Affirmative action is evil.
[00:10:21]  It is immoral.
[00:10:23]  It is based on two premises that are incorrect.
[00:10:25]  Number one, that skin color matters.
[00:10:28]  Actually, three.
[00:10:28]  Number two, that somehow your skin color defines your group, therefore some sort of lived experience of the entire group.
[00:10:36]  Not at all having any sort of understanding that you are an individual sovereign being with free will and agency.
[00:10:45]  No, that you're just part of the group and that your destiny is determined.
[00:10:48]  And number three, it has this weight that somehow racism and discrimination is to blame for all the problems.
[00:10:57]  And therefore, we need racism and discrimination to solve racism and discrimination.
[00:11:03]  Now, some people make this argument.
[00:11:04]  They say, well, affirmative action is a bad way to solve a real problem.
[00:11:09]  What is the real problem exactly?
[00:11:11]  The real problem is that black fathers abandon the women that they impregnate.
[00:11:16]  Problem is blacks that kill themselves a lot, kill each other in inner cities.
[00:11:21]  Black crime is a huge problem.
[00:11:22]  No one wants to talk about it.
[00:11:24]  It's not racism.
[00:11:25]  The problem is, and I will grant this one, I don't think it's for racism to blame, but it's a big problem, is the failing government schools in inner cities.
[00:11:34]  Maybe we can agree on that, where we can have school choice and actually have a real movement against the cartel unions, but the Democrats don't want any of that.
[00:11:42]  I want to live in a country for the founding fathers envisioned in the Declaration of Independence.
[00:11:46]  All men created equal.
[00:11:47]  You're made in the image of the divine, not the image of your skin color group.
[00:11:52]  So we've said for a while that Joy Reed, and it's so funny, we were saying this jokingly, but it's so obvious that Joy Reed is an affirmative action case, and people would attack us.
[00:12:01]  Oh, how dare you?
[00:12:02]  How racist?
[00:12:03]  Or we said, Katangi Brown Jackson is an affirmative action selection.
[00:12:07]  Same with Cami Harris.
[00:12:09]  Well, now Joy Reed, the race lady in MSNBC, again, we all knew she was an affirmative action pick.
[00:12:13]  You look at her show for a couple minutes, like, geez, this is, she is not, it's not a meritocracy play here.
[00:12:21]  There's something else going on.
[00:12:22]  And she disadmits it.
[00:12:23]  She acknowledges it.
[00:12:24]  She says, look, I'm affirmative action.
[00:12:26]  I'm here because of the color of my skin.
[00:12:28]  Yes, we know, Joy Reed.
[00:12:31]  But thank you for acknowledging out loud that you were chosen not because of your intellect, but because of your immutable characteristic.
[00:12:39]  Play cut 15.
[00:12:41]  Just be clear: I got into Harvard only because of affirmative action.
[00:12:45]  I went to a school no one had ever heard of in Denver, Colorado, in a small suburb.
[00:12:49]  I didn't go to Exeter or Andover.
[00:12:50]  I didn't have college test prep.
[00:12:52]  I just happened to be really nerdy and smart and have really good grades and good SAT scores.
[00:12:56]  But someone came to Denver, Colorado to look for me.
[00:12:59]  A Harvard recruiter flew to Denver and I met up with her at the Village Inn restaurant and did a pre-interview to get to pull me into Harvard.
[00:13:09]  I wasn't, I was pulled in.
[00:13:11]  I was pulled in.
[00:13:12]  What?
[00:13:12]  Harvard should be ashamed for this.
[00:13:15]  You fly halfway around the country to go find her?
[00:13:18]  And so it continues that clip.
[00:13:20]  We don't have the whole thing where she says, and then all throughout my freshman year, all these students in class said, people like me are only here because of affirmative action.
[00:13:27]  And those students were right.
[00:13:30]  You go through this and Joy Reed says, and I really had a tough time.
[00:13:33]  You just said yourself that you're an affirmative action case.
[00:13:36]  And you notice she said, she said, I was only there because of affirmative action.
[00:13:41]  And all these other students kept on stereotyping me that I was only here because of affirmative action.
[00:13:45]  But you were only there because of affirmative action.
[00:13:49]  The regime of selecting people based on race is going to collapse the country.
[00:13:55]  Thankfully, the Supreme Court came in and said, you can't do that.
[00:13:59]  One of the biggest reasons why affirmative action is so wrong is it warps relations between people.
[00:14:05]  She became a race-obsessed head case.
[00:14:07]  You know why?
[00:14:08]  Because Joy Reed knows she's not that smart.
[00:14:10]  She has some self-awareness of her lack of intellect.
[00:14:13]  So she always had to try to prove herself because people saw through it because they said, this person's a moron.
[00:14:19]  Obviously, she doesn't reach the standard threshold here.
[00:14:23]  She's here because of an affirmative action case.
[00:14:27]  Affirmative action gives weight and preference to people that otherwise would not, like she said it herself, I had no business going to Harvard.
[00:14:36]  The left will always misdiagnose the real problems in education, rejecting actual solutions in favor of fake ones that make things worse at at least four times the cost.
[00:14:48]  And Harvard, apparently, she said, I didn't have any test prep.
[00:14:52]  I didn't, okay, you were nerdy.
[00:14:53]  Lots of nerdy people that shouldn't be going to Harvard.
[00:14:56]  But no, what Harvard did is because of white guilt.
[00:14:59]  So they sent out their recruiters, Harvard did, under white guilt and a hyper-academic regime of we must make our student body more diverse.
[00:15:09]  I'll be nice in the way I say it.
[00:15:11]  So they sought out people like Joy Reed.
[00:15:13]  And now they have to own, oh, yeah, our notable alumni is Joy Reed.
[00:15:18]  And she even goes onto the clip to say, and Katanji Brown Jackson is an affirmative action case.
[00:15:23]  We knew that one as well.
[00:15:25]  She couldn't tell us what a woman is.
[00:15:28]  You read her Supreme Court opinions, she's a moron and an affirmative action pick.
[00:15:33]  We knew that.
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=== Biden Election Injunction Ruling (15:31) ===

[00:16:42]  Joining us now is Darren Beattie.
[00:16:44]  Several stories to cover from Revolver.news.
[00:16:47]  Darren, welcome to the program.
[00:16:49]  Darren, I want to get your initial reaction about this federal judge striking down the censorship regime of the Biden administration.
[00:16:57]  I want your reaction, and I have a very specific follow-up question.
[00:17:00]  Darren, your thoughts.
[00:17:02]  Absolutely.
[00:17:02]  Well, this is the biggest and the most encouraging story in the country, I would say.
[00:17:07]  And usually the biggest story is not terribly encouraging.
[00:17:10]  So we should count our blessings in this case because this is one of the most positive developments for free speech in America in a very, very long time.
[00:17:19]  And I know you've covered this on your program in earlier segments, so I'll share the summary.
[00:17:25]  But I just have to encourage everyone listening: if you have time and you should make time, go and read the memo or at least skim it, because there are some absolute whoppers in there.
[00:17:36]  It's a grand tour through the entire sordid bowels of the censorship industrial complex, from all of the actors personally, institutionally, to all of their most egregious,
[00:17:52]  greatest hits of censorship, ranging from COVID lockdown to masks, to vaccines, to, of course, the Hunter laptop, which the government pressured socials to censor on the pretext that it was some kind of Russian disinformation operation,
[00:18:12]  all the way to this shadowy group that is now exposed to the disinfectant of sunlight called CISA and the EIP and their machinations and what they were doing to suppress conversation regarding the integrity of the 2020 election.
[00:18:30]  And in fact, I've been very, very closely involved with this and following it very closely.
[00:18:37]  And Revolver is featured prominently in the Election Integrity Partnership report called The Short Fuse, in which they chronicle in great detail how so-called conspiracy narratives can take off.
[00:18:53]  And they chose, of all narratives, Revolver News's color revolution reporting, which was a big thing in the lead up to the 2020 election.
[00:19:02]  They featured that very prominently, and it was even taught at universities and so forth as an example of how dangerous disinformation can spread.
[00:19:11]  But what we've learned through the Twitter files and through excellent reporting from, I would have to say, Revolver News, also organizations like Foundation for Freedom Online, is it wasn't just the Yole Roth type.
[00:19:23]  It wasn't just the censorious Commissar trash embedded within the trust and safety departments of the respective social media companies.
[00:19:34]  The bigger story here was this was a result of bullying coming directly from government agencies themselves.
[00:19:42]  And there's some fantastic information in this memo chronicling how Biden officials would really just bully Facebook.
[00:19:52]  Like they would, there's to a Biden White House official, the COVID czar, he would send a message to some Facebook Media employee, say, I still see some posts skeptical of vaccines.
[00:20:05]  What are you guys doing?
[00:20:06]  You need to give me an account.
[00:20:08]  They would send them emails saying there was one case of.
[00:20:11]  A parody account mocking Biden's family, and they got it.
[00:20:14]  The Socials got a stern message from a White House official, take care of this immediately.
[00:20:19]  I'm not kidding, it was.
[00:20:21]  You know.
[00:20:22]  It was a relationship that was far more brutal than you would expect from, like an evil foreman at a factory how they would treat his employees.
[00:20:33]  This was totally brutal, totally one-sided, and it was to the point where Facebook would just flailingly and desperately say, oh I'm so sorry, let us know, we'll incorporate best practices and in fact, they even went to the length of censoring and deboosting, throttling information that didn't violate their terms of service, which were already restrictive, simply to please their government censors.
[00:20:58]  So this judge who made the ruling made the right call.
[00:21:02]  This is a clear violation of the first amendment and a result of this injunction is basically a restraining order.
[00:21:11]  Just in the same way as you might want to put a restraining order between Biden and and and young people.
[00:21:17]  This is a restraining order between Biden administration officials and institutions and social media companies saying you can't contact them for the purpose of flagging information anymore.
[00:21:29]  This is this is an excellent injunction.
[00:21:31]  However, i'm starting to see whispers of this, and this is a predictable outcome and it's a separate case.
[00:21:37]  So attorney general of Arizona, Chris May, says she's just going to ignore the Supreme Court Darren, the Administrative State.
[00:21:43]  I just think they're going to ignore this injunction, and if they do, then it's kind of the old adage, well, let them enforce it.
[00:21:52]  Right, let him send his army.
[00:21:55]  Our we're on some.
[00:21:56]  If the Administrative State ignores this ruling or this injunction, then what?
[00:22:02]  Because I think they're going to ignore it right.
[00:22:06]  Well then, you got to hit them in other places, then you have to hit them in funding, and I think that's going to be the next volley here.
[00:22:13]  The next stage of the battle is uh, bring to bear a very sophisticated and detailed understanding of these organizations, funding sources and go after that.
[00:22:24]  So you know, make no mistake, this ruling is not, you know, the war being won, but I think it is a majorly positive uh development in terms of pointing out and taking a step toward correcting the constitutional abuses that have occurred in the Biden White House and that major component of the censorship story, of which there were many components.
[00:22:48]  No, I certainly agree.
[00:22:50]  I just my fear is that this is going to invoke a constitutional crisis now technically, if they willingly ignore a court order, they could be held criminally uh, for a contempt, but that would take the Department OF Justice and all this.
[00:23:07]  But Darren I, I think the, the liberals demand conformity and obedience.
[00:23:13]  Unless it's a decision they don't like, then it's all out.
[00:23:16]  Resistance absolutely absolutely no, I mean look, you know, if A version of your objection, which is totally valid, is to say it's basically hard, if not impossible, to get anything meaningful done unless we actually control the institutions implicated.
[00:23:37]  And that's basically true.
[00:23:38]  And there's no easier, quick fix to that.
[00:23:41]  These things are just kind of softening them up.
[00:23:43]  They're jabs, they're dabs.
[00:23:46]  At the very least, it occupies this is something that's occupying far more of their focus and attention and resources than anything in recent months and years.
[00:23:57]  And that, you know, at least takes up some bandwidth that they would otherwise be using to censor the next thing.
[00:24:03]  So it's a tough battle when you don't control any institutions, which is basically the position that we're in.
[00:24:12]  And so, given that asymmetrical underlying reality, this is one of the most encouraging things I think hope for.
[00:24:21]  Like, think about it this way.
[00:24:23]  Do you think the Trump White House could have bullied the socials in the same way that the Biden White House was?
[00:24:30]  Of course not.
[00:24:31]  So it's all about a who-whom situation.
[00:24:36]  It's tough, it's asymmetrical, but this is, I think, a major and positive step in the right direction.
[00:24:43]  I hope the next stage is to really, really hit them on the funding side.
[00:24:48]  Well, yeah.
[00:24:50]  And so what we're looking at, and this injunction paves the way to what we've already been prepping.
[00:24:55]  And by the way, we have the best lawyers on this.
[00:24:57]  I was singled out through the election integrity partnership where I lost access to my social media.
[00:25:02]  Darren, I think we need now a blitzkrieg of lawsuits because the government was acting illegally.
[00:25:09]  There are provable damages.
[00:25:10]  I lost access to my social media accounts, income damages, reputational damages.
[00:25:15]  I mean, you could go on, right?
[00:25:17]  Wouldn't it make sense now for every one of the violated parties to hit in the courts, especially with this injunction ruling?
[00:25:27]  Basically, the judge has now said it's not a final ruling.
[00:25:30]  The government was acting illegally.
[00:25:32]  Oh, okay.
[00:25:33]  Well, then, people like Charlie Kirk or Dan Bongino, we need to now go sue and put these agencies on defense.
[00:25:40]  Your thoughts, Darren?
[00:25:42]  Absolutely.
[00:25:43]  I think blitzkrieg, you know, counter-lawfare is absolutely an advisable strategy.
[00:25:49]  And I think it's worth a substantial amount of resources dedicated to this.
[00:25:53]  You know, there's not a dearth of money rolling around in the conservative world and the GOP world, but the issue is deploying that capital efficiently to the highest leverage pain points with respect to our opponents.
[00:26:10]  And I think this is absolutely something that deserves a substantial amount of resources and focus to keep them.
[00:26:19]  They're kind of on the defensive, which is not really a posture they've been in in a very long time.
[00:26:24]  And I think we need to keep up this momentum across all fronts.
[00:26:28]  So absolutely, I would advocate a very, very aggressive law fare posture to basically sue the hell out of these guys.
[00:26:36]  Yeah, because remember, this complaint was brought forward by the Attorney General's Office of Missouri, Missouri v. Biden.
[00:26:42]  And so they are probably asking in relief for a suspension of this policy, which is fine.
[00:26:48]  That's great.
[00:26:49]  But what we need now is the victims, myself, Bongino, and others, that can then say, okay, now you have to pay money or whatever sort of damages because the federal government acting in this way, and I'll be honest, Darren, we'll talk about this after the break.
[00:27:06]  I think we're barely touching the surface of how deep their censorship tentacles go.
[00:27:12]  I don't think We're at less than 1% of how widespread the federal government has become in policing speech, becoming traffic cops for wrongthink.
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[00:28:30]  Okay, I want to, Darren Beattie continues us.
[00:28:32]  So, Darren, you have some other stories I want to go to, but I just want to close this.
[00:28:35]  Darren, what is to prevent active measures of censorship in 2024?
[00:28:42]  I think what we need to do, and this is my advice to the senators, is they need to now subpoena these agency officials and get them on the record that they're following the court order because they're going to defy it because there's some workarounds, Darren.
[00:28:53]  Did you notice the workarounds?
[00:28:55]  It was a good ruling, but he said, oh, for national security.
[00:28:58]  Hey, Darren, they're just going to say that we're terrorists and they'll be able to continue to censor us.
[00:29:02]  Your thoughts, Darren Beattie?
[00:29:04]  Well, yes, there were multiple workarounds and loopholes that really are inconsistent with the charges that serve as the basis for the injunction in the first place.
[00:29:15]  You know, the Hunter Biden laptop issue was censored on the pretext of national security, effectively, of foreign disinformation, of foreign election operation.
[00:29:28]  And that's one of the carve-outs for a legitimate reason that the government would communicate with lean on social media company for the purpose of censorship.
[00:29:38]  So they're already abusing the notion of national security.
[00:29:43]  I think, just throw it all out, we know that they're not protecting legitimate national security interests.
[00:29:48]  So just take that off the table completely.
[00:29:50]  Don't even leave that open as a loophole because they've already proven that they're not sufficiently responsible to stick within the actual purview of legitimate national security interests.
[00:30:01]  It's simply a concept that they can abuse in order to censor Americans.
[00:30:05]  That's been proven time and time again.
[00:30:08]  Another interesting loophole was specifically foreign election interference, which again is the three pillars that they mentioned in this election integrity partnership thing.
[00:30:20]  They featured, you know, I mentioned they featured Revolver News coverage prominently.
[00:30:24]  They tried to associate with us with Russian misinformation.
[00:30:28]  That's already something that's been abused and was detailed very thoroughly in the memo itself.
[00:30:35]  And then finally, I have to say one thing says for things that are illegal in relation to election interference.
[00:30:44]  Well, what's illegal these days?
[00:30:45]  Well, what's illegal these days is memes mocking Hillary Clinton.
[00:30:49]  We just had an American citizen who was found guilty for election memes mocking Hillary Clinton for disinformation.
[00:31:00]  And so the loopholes, it seems to me, you know, I wanted to be positive at the beginning because we have so few opportunities to be positive.
[00:31:09]  But you're absolutely right about these loopholes.
[00:31:11]  Is that when you look carefully at the loopholes, each single loophole was already the basis of pretextual abuse that enabled the violations that serve as the reason for the injunction in the first place?
[00:31:25]  So there has to be some other measure because they could simply say we're complying with the injunction and do the same thing they've always done, invoke national security, invoke election interference, the same things that they did the Hunter laptop, same things with COVID, same thing they did with the 2020 election.
[00:31:45]  So the ruling is imperfect.
[00:31:47]  It's subject to abuse and circumvention.
[00:31:51]  Nonetheless, I will maintain that it is a substantial step in the positive direction.
[00:31:56]  One final point I'd say on the fight.
[00:31:59]  This has always been a principle that I think has made our reporting at Revolver.news effective.
[00:32:05]  Attach a specific person or specific persons to the problem.
[00:32:10]  This isn't simply an institutional issue.

=== Targeting Specific People (01:28) ===

[00:32:13]  It's an issue of specific people that we can target.
[00:32:17]  One of them is notorious.
[00:32:19]  Her name is Renee DeResta, and she has a decorated resume in terms of being involved in the dirtiest operations imaginable.
[00:32:28]  And just to give you a sense of the type of person who makes a career out of censoring Americans for so-called disinformation, this woman was involved in an organization that set up fake Russian accounts.
[00:32:43]  Those fake Russian accounts supported Roy Moore, who was a candidate in Alabama election.
[00:32:50]  And they used that, the support of the fake accounts that they were controlling as the basis to say that Roy Moore was supported by Russia.
[00:32:59]  That is the cyber equivalent of the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case.
[00:33:02]  She's getting kidnapped by federal agents that we're funding.
[00:33:06]  Wait, what?
[00:33:07]  Darren Beatty, Revolver.news.
[00:33:09]  He does a terrific job, Darren.
[00:33:10]  Thank you so much.
[00:33:11]  Thank you.
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