The Charlie Kirk Show - What is Wisdom? My Speech to the Turning Point Educator's Summit
Aired: 2023-07-02
Duration: 51:50


=== Turning Point Academy Experience (03:38) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, happy Sunday.
[00:00:01]  My Conversation at Educators Summit in Deerfield, Illinois.
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[00:00:36]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:38]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
[00:00:40]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:43]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:46]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:47]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:48]  His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
[00:00:57]  We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
[00:01:06]  That's why we are here.
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[00:01:18]  Hello, everybody.
[00:01:19]  Welcome.
[00:01:20]  Glad you're here.
[00:01:20]  It's good to be home.
[00:01:22]  And there are a few good things and not so good things that have come from Illinois.
[00:01:27]  Jury's out, if I'm one of them, but Turning Point for sure.
[00:01:31]  Thank you for all the amazing work that the Turning Point Academy team has put in to putting together this event.
[00:01:38]  Hutz and Jennifer and Francine and Scott have worked very hard on the whole Turning Point Academy team.
[00:01:43]  For those of you that follow Turning Point, we are a busy bunch.
[00:01:46]  We just had our Young Women's Leadership Summit last weekend where we had 2,500 young women leaders in Dallas, Texas.
[00:01:55]  And if you saw any of the media coverage about it, it's a completely different type of gathering than you would expect.
[00:02:03]  First of all, we said that there's no men pretending to be women allowed at our Young Women's Leadership Summit, which shouldn't be a controversial thing to say.
[00:02:12]  And of course, now we have our Educators Summit.
[00:02:15]  And then coming up in a couple of weeks, our sister organization, Turning Point Action, in West Palm Beach, Florida, we're hosting Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Dan Bongino, and any presidential candidate that wants to show up.
[00:02:28]  And so if you guys are looking for, if you're bored in July, you want to come down to West Palm Beach, Florida, that lineup is going to make some headlines for sure.
[00:02:37]  But this is one of the most important things that we're doing.
[00:02:39]  I'm thrilled with Hutz's leadership and it's full circle.
[00:02:42]  I gave my life to the Lord thanks to Mrs. Weber.
[00:02:45]  I still call her Mrs. Weber.
[00:02:47]  You can't get over that, right?
[00:02:49]  In fifth grade.
[00:02:50]  And really, third, fourth, and fifth grade set me on a trajectory for my life's work.
[00:02:56]  And that's when I was at Christian Heritage Academy.
[00:02:58]  I went to government school after that.
[00:03:00]  So that's a really important note for some of you that are educators or parents.
[00:03:04]  Even if a couple years of strong education can make that foundation more than you could ever imagine.
[00:03:10]  So it was third, fourth, and fifth grade at Christian Heritage Academy.
[00:03:13]  Then I went to MacArthur Middle School.
[00:03:14]  Some of you might be familiar with that.
[00:03:15]  And then Wheeling High School, which some of you are familiar with.
[00:03:19]  And they've disowned me at that school.
[00:03:22]  But I am going to talk about Wheeling in a second because there's a lot of lessons to learn there.
[00:03:28]  I had a great experience there.
[00:03:30]  I really did.
[00:03:31]  I can't say that that school is in a good place anymore, which is too bad because the trends that we are seeing nationally, unfortunately, infected that school.

=== Fifth Grade Trajectory (07:59) ===

[00:03:39]  I'll talk about that.
[00:03:40]  But Hutz then took over Christian Heritage Academy after I left, so we kind of crossed paths.
[00:03:44]  And that's how we got reconnected through a local friend of mine, Jack Vita, who's a great kid, and he connected us, super energetic.
[00:03:52]  And the Lord wanted us to work together.
[00:03:54]  And we immediately hit it off.
[00:03:55]  And I mean, our whole vision, our broad vision, everything we do at Turning Point, and I forgot to mention, we just had our pastor summit where we had 1,100 pastors in Nashville, the largest pastor summit of its kind, and we have another one coming up in a few weeks.
[00:04:08]  We're doing all sorts of stuff.
[00:04:10]  Is our big picture vision is we believe firmly that Western civilization is special and unique, rooted in biblical values and ideas, and that we are called through our own obligation to do our part to try to save Western civilization against people that want to destroy it.
[00:04:28]  And this is something that not every Christian agrees with me on.
[00:04:31]  Some people say, Charlie, Western society doesn't matter.
[00:04:34]  It doesn't matter the government that you have.
[00:04:36]  I think that's wrong.
[00:04:37]  Jeremiah 29, 7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in.
[00:04:40]  I'm not saying it's the most important thing.
[00:04:42]  The most important thing is spreading the gospel.
[00:04:44]  But the second most important thing is to make sure you can do the first thing.
[00:04:47]  And when we lived during COVID and they deemed the church non-essential and stripped clubs, liquor stores, marijuana dispensaries were essential and the church was not.
[00:04:55]  And Easter and Pentecost was, you weren't even allowed to go to church and you had to wear masks and be socially distanced.
[00:05:01]  I said, no, something here is really, really terribly wrong.
[00:05:04]  And we also must be very honest that, you know, in countries that are less free, totalitarianism is directly at odds with liberty, which is God's idea, not man's idea.
[00:05:13]  And so there is a place, I think, for believers to contest in this and to love the nation that you are in and also have gratitude because we do not live in a country or a civilization like any other.
[00:05:23]  I think this is a, I'll be very blunt, which is kind of my thing, right?
[00:05:28]  I think it's hyper-entitled upper-middle-class Christian talk if you act as if there's nothing special about America.
[00:05:35]  If you kind of just scoff and you're like, oh, this country's like everything else, you know, God doesn't really care about this.
[00:05:41]  I think that is a complete disrespect to the Bible-believing, courageous Christians that founded this nation, that died for this nation, that poured into the form of government, consent to the governed, checks and balances, individual liberty, independent judiciary.
[00:05:55]  These are all biblical principles.
[00:05:57]  The most cited book in the formation of the United States government was Deuteronomy, right?
[00:06:02]  Most kids can't even spell Deuteronomy, right?
[00:06:05]  And in fact, that's going to be something I'm going to talk about in a second.
[00:06:07]  On the Liberty Bell, they put Leviticus on the Liberty Bell, okay?
[00:06:11]  Not Psalms, not Proverbs, not John, Leviticus.
[00:06:14]  Proclaim liberty in the land of which you are in.
[00:06:17]  And so for some people that say, oh, Charlie, there's no place for patriotic elements in Christian education, I disagree completely.
[00:06:24]  I think that we need to contest for liberty because it's something that has an eternal ring to it.
[00:06:30]  And so a couple thoughts that I want to share with you today.
[00:06:33]  Let me talk about Wheeling High School.
[00:06:34]  Then I'm going to talk about something that happened yesterday on Jeopardy, which actually ties into why we are here, which I think is one of the most illuminating pieces.
[00:06:42]  It's a 10-second clip that is one of the most powerful things I have seen and why Turning Point Academy matters.
[00:06:48]  My 10-second clip, Jeopardy, so I'll leave you in suspense there.
[00:06:50]  But first, let me tell you about Wheeling High School.
[00:06:53]  It was a great place to go to school.
[00:06:55]  I say this to reporters all the time.
[00:06:57]  I'm sure there are some reporters that are either, they snuck their way in.
[00:07:00]  Welcome, by the way.
[00:07:01]  Hope you learned something.
[00:07:02]  Glad you're here.
[00:07:03]  And so I mean that.
[00:07:04]  We've got nothing to hide, right?
[00:07:05]  We're just trying to make sure the next generation loves God and loves the country, right?
[00:07:09]  Not a huge agenda here.
[00:07:11]  So these reporters sometimes challenge me because I'll say this.
[00:07:15]  I said I was a minority in the high school I went to.
[00:07:17]  They don't believe me, right?
[00:07:18]  Because there's kind of this archetype as if I went to New Trier.
[00:07:20]  I didn't.
[00:07:21]  I went to Wheeling.
[00:07:21]  You guys know the difference, right?
[00:07:23]  As if I went to some sort of lily white high school.
[00:07:25]  Nothing wrong with Nutrier, right?
[00:07:26]  But the point is that I was a minority in the high school I went to, 53% Hispanic.
[00:07:31]  English is second language.
[00:07:32]  If you know Wheeling, you know the area.
[00:07:34]  And it was a great place to go to school, right?
[00:07:35]  It was like the United Nations, over 80 countries represented.
[00:07:38]  And when I went to high school, no exaggeration, nobody cared about race.
[00:07:41]  Nobody cared about race, right?
[00:07:43]  We had black kids, we had Polish, we had Vietnamese, we had Japanese, we had South Africans.
[00:07:47]  There was not even like a whisper of racial insensitivity.
[00:07:51]  Were there like stupid jokes here or there?
[00:07:54]  16-year-olds being 16-year-olds.
[00:07:55]  But we all looked at each other at human beings on our sports teams, in our classrooms, in our competitions.
[00:08:00]  And it was a great place to go to school, right?
[00:08:02]  Won state championships on marching band and debate and all this.
[00:08:05]  It was a great place to go to school.
[00:08:06]  And now, 10 years later, that very same school is completely different.
[00:08:09]  District 214 has been taken over by social emotional learning and critical race theory.
[00:08:14]  They're emphasizing race where there was no problem to begin with.
[00:08:18]  Where it was a school where I was always told that race doesn't matter and character matters.
[00:08:22]  Now I see from the outside that race matters and character doesn't matter that much.
[00:08:27]  That is not progress.
[00:08:28]  That is a regression, everybody.
[00:08:30]  And it pains me.
[00:08:31]  I am saddened because I know what education can and should be.
[00:08:36]  Were there problems where I went to high school?
[00:08:37]  Yeah, there were liberal teachers.
[00:08:38]  Now, who cares, right?
[00:08:39]  The point, you're going to get that in government education, right?
[00:08:43]  But I can tell you that there was not the re-tribalization of 17 or 18-year-olds based on the melanin content of people's skin.
[00:08:51]  And I can say from personal experience that it worked and it was beautiful, and that's what education should be.
[00:08:59]  Now you have these academics that see racism where it doesn't exist and create it where it doesn't exist.
[00:09:06]  They're literally creating more racism where these kids otherwise would not be acting in that way.
[00:09:12]  And it's really a tragedy.
[00:09:14]  We're seeing this happen in schools across the country.
[00:09:16]  And so this has personally been a motivation for me to empower HUTS and the Turning Point Academy team because seeing something that once worked and then see it become somewhat largely unrecognizable really pains me.
[00:09:30]  And I'm sure all of you have your own personal experiences of an institution that wants to be great, once was great, and a school that wants to be great.
[00:09:36]  And so I'm personally motivated to try to push back against it.
[00:09:40]  Critical race theory, I believe, is from the pit of hell.
[00:09:42]  It is one of the great evils in our society.
[00:09:44]  There is no compromising with it.
[00:09:46]  It judges people based on the color of their skin, not their content.
[00:09:49]  They do not believe in individual agency.
[00:09:52]  They believe in societal power dynamics.
[00:09:54]  It is a false assumption.
[00:09:55]  It is against exactly what we're called to do in the scriptures, which is look at people with souls.
[00:10:00]  They look at people strictly as what power dynamic group that they're in.
[00:10:03]  And anybody who even entertains it to a slightest degree, I think, either doesn't mean well or they really don't know what they're doing.
[00:10:11]  It could be one of the two.
[00:10:11]  I think there's a lot of people that don't quite understand what they're doing.
[00:10:14]  But we're seeing it happen in society, right?
[00:10:16]  I mean, at Cal Berkeley, they have black-only graduation ceremonies, right?
[00:10:20]  At over 200 campuses now, they have black-only dormitories.
[00:10:23]  And we're told this is progress.
[00:10:25]  Just so you know, the new racial orthodoxy is that whites should have their own areas and blacks should have their own areas.
[00:10:32]  Not exactly a unique take to be like, hey, we tried to get away from that in our country.
[00:10:36]  That is literally what is now being created.
[00:10:39]  And if you challenge it, you're a racist.
[00:10:43]  That is where we are.
[00:10:44]  Okay, second thing, I want to talk about Jeopardy.
[00:10:46]  So somebody asked me the other day, they said, Charlie, what is the goal of Turning Point Academy?
[00:10:52]  I said, well, there's a lot of goals.
[00:10:53]  One of the most important goals is to make sure that kids are wise, not just that they know a bunch of stuff.
[00:11:01]  Big difference.
[00:11:03]  Most Christian education out there will not be able to clearly tell you that.
[00:11:09]  You see, there's a massive contrast between modern John Dewey-centric education and a classical Christian bibliocentric education.
[00:11:17]  There's a philosophical difference.
[00:11:18]  And I'm going to paint some of those contrasts for you.
[00:11:21]  But first, let me tell you about something I saw.
[00:11:23]  If you saw it, it went viral.
[00:11:24]  And if not, it's worth thinking about.
[00:11:26]  So I'm a big fan of Jeopardy.
[00:11:28]  I grew up watching it a lot with my grandmother.
[00:11:30]  I'm okay at it.
[00:11:30]  I'm not that good, right?
[00:11:32]  But I'm above average.
[00:11:34]  And so I was watching this.
[00:11:36]  I was watching this clip.

=== Modern vs Classical Education (13:50) ===

[00:11:38]  And you got these three brainiacs.
[00:11:40]  And just to even get on Jeopardy, super hard, right?
[00:11:42]  You have to compete.
[00:11:43]  It's not like, hey, we randomly select you.
[00:11:45]  These are very smart, credentialed people, okay?
[00:11:47]  And this was like the introductory question, right?
[00:11:49]  It's like a $200 round, right?
[00:11:51]  And so they give you the answer, so you have to say the question.
[00:11:55]  They basically have the Lord's Prayer, right?
[00:12:01]  And all you had to do was fill in what is hallowed, right?
[00:12:04]  It was a missing thing.
[00:12:06]  Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come.
[00:12:08]  And you got these three brainiacs that just stare into and they don't know.
[00:12:15]  The most elementary question, right?
[00:12:18]  And then you watch the full episode.
[00:12:19]  They're not dumb.
[00:12:20]  These are smart people.
[00:12:22]  High IQ, high functioning people.
[00:12:24]  And they could tell you the difference, different Greek gods.
[00:12:28]  They could tell you about sub-Saharan species elimination, right?
[00:12:32]  They could tell you about climate change trends, right?
[00:12:35]  They were quoting like 60s rock songs, but they couldn't tell you the most, it's the simple question about the Lord's Prayer.
[00:12:44]  And that is a perfect example of modern education.
[00:12:47]  These people are standing up there, and yeah, they know a bunch of facts, but they have no wisdom.
[00:12:55]  And there is a total difference between that.
[00:12:57]  You send your kid to most colleges and most secular institutions.
[00:13:01]  They will be able to recite a bunch of information, but they don't have wisdom.
[00:13:08]  So what is wisdom?
[00:13:09]  Wisdom is the knowledge of the things that never change.
[00:13:14]  Wisdom is being able to tell the difference between good and evil.
[00:13:19]  Wisdom is being able to understand the difference of what is man and God, man and nature, holy and profane.
[00:13:27]  These are questions that you can't answer easily just by memorizing a bunch of stuff.
[00:13:32]  It takes work to get to wisdom.
[00:13:34]  Now, some of you might say, well, Charlie, you know, you can get wisdom through life experience.
[00:13:38]  You can, but there's no guarantee.
[00:13:41]  And usually the only way, but you're basically telling me, is that I want my kid to experience a bunch of pain to get wisdom because that's the only way that you could get wisdom the old-fashioned way is pain.
[00:13:51]  And that's fine.
[00:13:52]  We should not want to shield our kids from pain.
[00:13:54]  But there's a much easier way to get kids wisdom at a younger age, which is make them do the work.
[00:14:01]  Read the good books, spend times in the scriptures, and have meaningful dialogues in the pursuit of truth.
[00:14:08]  That does not happen in 99% of schools.
[00:14:10]  And it doesn't happen in most Christian schools, by the way.
[00:14:13]  In fact, most Christian schools are having an industrial-style, hyper-feminized model of education.
[00:14:20]  Now, you might say, what do you mean hyper-feminized?
[00:14:22]  Having kids sit around all day long and just read books like Little House on the Prairie is a hyper-feminist, failed model of educating young boys.
[00:14:30]  Boys need to move every 20 minutes and need to be involved in learning all the time.
[00:14:35]  Most Christian schools, they're like, never heard of this before.
[00:14:37]  They're like, well, we just have kids sit single file, and that's a really good way to make sure kids suffering from ADD, they get hypermedicated at a young age, young boys especially.
[00:14:45]  It's a failed model.
[00:14:47]  And yet we keep on repeating it.
[00:14:49]  We're wondering, like, well, why is this generation the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, screen-addicted, and social media generation history?
[00:14:57]  I don't understand.
[00:14:58]  Why is it that they are increasingly believing that there is no God and all this?
[00:15:02]  Well, first of all, the whole premise of how we're doing education is completely flawed.
[00:15:07]  If you look at Woodrow Wilson, who was, I think, America's worst president, and John Dewey, who was a terrible person, and he was the father of modern America, public education, really government education.
[00:15:18]  They decided to turn the page, turn their back, I believe, all-out steamroll, what founded this country, which was classical Christian education.
[00:15:28]  Every major founding father was classically Christian educated.
[00:15:31]  Now, what does that mean?
[00:15:32]  That means they reasoned from the Bible.
[00:15:34]  They studied Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.
[00:15:37]  They studied Aurelius.
[00:15:38]  They studied Epietus.
[00:15:40]  They studied Seneca.
[00:15:41]  They studied all the classics.
[00:15:43]  And first and foremost, were educated in a way of you'll eventually can fill yourself with information.
[00:15:48]  Do you know right from wrong and good from evil?
[00:15:51]  And are you going to be able to have the temperance and the prudence to make decisions for the rest of your life?
[00:15:57]  Are you going to be what Aristotle called a well-soul being?
[00:16:01]  That's not a question most education even thinks about asking now.
[00:16:05]  You know what they say is, well, I just want my kid to have a bunch of skills so that he could go get a job.
[00:16:10]  Instead, it should be, I want my kid to be a good person.
[00:16:14]  It's a much different approach.
[00:16:17]  And I could say this right now.
[00:16:21]  When you don't emphasize wisdom, when you don't emphasize diving deep into these ideas, then, yeah, there's a lack of morality, and that's pretty obvious.
[00:16:30]  Creates an unhappy people.
[00:16:32]  It also creates mass societal moral subjectivity.
[00:16:37]  And you get bad politics because of that.
[00:16:39]  You get real, you get, I mean, you get this pride garbage that we're seeing in our country right now.
[00:16:44]  Men can give birth, all that.
[00:16:46]  It starts from a flawed educational premise.
[00:16:51]  And so in modern education, they believe that kids need to be endlessly entertained, right?
[00:16:59]  Videos, movies.
[00:17:02]  Classical education believes learning is an end in itself.
[00:17:07]  That it's not a means, but learning is an end.
[00:17:09]  That it's one of the greatest things a human being can do.
[00:17:13]  Totally different.
[00:17:14]  Where modern education is like learning is an inconvenience to get you to a skill set so you can make money.
[00:17:19]  Whereas classical education believes that you become a joyful person when you learn.
[00:17:24]  And I know that to be true, and you do too.
[00:17:26]  That the deeper you understand, the first line of Aristotle's metaphysics is all men desire to know, yearn to know.
[00:17:33]  In modern education, they say, how many times have you heard that we must equip young people for an ever-changing global economy?
[00:17:41]  How many times have you read that in a silly pamphlet, right?
[00:17:45]  That nauseating garbage.
[00:17:47]  How about this?
[00:17:48]  We must have young people to be able to have the courage and the wisdom to act against evil.
[00:17:55]  That's a big difference, right?
[00:17:59]  So what we're getting at is that it's not even a matter that we have liberal education and conservative education.
[00:18:05]  The form and the process of actually how we're educating kids ourselves needs to be reconsidered.
[00:18:12]  And that's what Turning Point Academy is trying to do.
[00:18:14]  And we're not the only ones.
[00:18:15]  Hillsdale's done a great job of this, right?
[00:18:17]  There's so many great groups that are doing this.
[00:18:19]  But honestly, I think we're barely even touching the surface.
[00:18:22]  Because when I sit down with Christian parents, they say, oh, yeah, you know, I send my kid to a great Christian school.
[00:18:29]  And I say, okay, well, you know, answer, you know, a couple questions.
[00:18:32]  Like, what is the premise of the school?
[00:18:34]  What do they consider to be the end?
[00:18:36]  And it kind of gets a little bit fuzzy at times.
[00:18:39]  And there's some great Christian schools, obviously.
[00:18:42]  However, the amount of Christian schools that try to fit into that modern form is alarming.
[00:18:50]  And I'll give you another example.
[00:18:52]  Is, you know, parents should have to ask the question of, you know, and having a daughter now, you start asking these questions, right?
[00:19:01]  Is when I'm going to choose education, what exactly is the process that I want them to go along?
[00:19:10]  So the word education in Latin literally means to lead forth, right?
[00:19:13]  And actually comes from the allegory of the cave, to leave forth from darkness into light.
[00:19:18]  Modern education believes all viewpoints are equal.
[00:19:23]  Okay?
[00:19:24]  And so does some Christian schools, by the way.
[00:19:26]  If you dive in, it's like, well, we don't want to offend people, and there's a lot of good ideas out there.
[00:19:31]  Properly rooted Western Christian education believes that there is a truth and you should love the child enough to lead them on the path and the journey to get to that truth.
[00:19:43]  That's completely different than believing that everybody has, you know, similar type, equal footing ideas, egalitarianism of ideas.
[00:19:54]  That's really bad.
[00:19:55]  And that's where you get this new modern educational model where a first-grade teacher will sit around and ask, okay, I want to hear what all of you think about what's going on in the news.
[00:20:03]  Who cares what the kids have to say?
[00:20:06]  Teach them something.
[00:20:09]  Modern education believes old is bad.
[00:20:12]  This is a built.
[00:20:15]  This is one of the great cancers of our society.
[00:20:18]  I fight it every day on these campuses, right?
[00:20:20]  That old is bad.
[00:20:22]  It's like, oh, they didn't have airplanes when Socrates wrote, so they must have been really dumb.
[00:20:28]  Or that Bible is so old.
[00:20:29]  I like flipping things.
[00:20:30]  I think flipping is actually one of the coolest things we have to be able to do with our reason, which is a gift from the Lord.
[00:20:37]  So they say old is bad.
[00:20:38]  They say, oh, it's so old, it's outdated.
[00:20:40]  You could flip it into the opposite, which is true.
[00:20:42]  Hey, maybe if something old is still as popular as it is, it's probably true.
[00:20:47]  It's like the exact opposite, right?
[00:20:49]  Maybe the thing that is thousands of years old is still the most quoted, most sourced, most foundational text.
[00:20:57]  There's probably some staying power to this document.
[00:20:59]  You should have humility before you dismiss it because we have Twitter and Advil and Paul the Apostle didn't, right?
[00:21:08]  Like, oh, wow, he wasn't very advanced, which gets down to an even more fundamental thing.
[00:21:12]  And I'm happy to say that at most turning point training events, I think 90% of our kids get this question right, but we're not at 100%.
[00:21:20]  We just had a Texas training, and most kids got the question right, some didn't.
[00:21:24]  And the kids that didn't were Christian educated, right?
[00:21:27]  And it was a very simple question, which is, are human beings naturally good or are they naturally bad, right?
[00:21:31]  And the Christian kids thought they were naturally good, which goes to show that whatever school they go to should be shut down and burned to the ground, right?
[00:21:40]  Not a hard question to answer, right?
[00:21:42]  And they meant well.
[00:21:43]  They said, their reasoning was like, well, God is good and God made us.
[00:21:48]  Not good theology, right, at all.
[00:21:51]  Missing a big part of the story, including everything after the fall, which is basically a flaming tragedy till Christ comes, right?
[00:22:00]  Lying, rebellion, cheating, stealing, arson, war, lying, rebellion, cheating, stealing, arson, ward, Christ, right?
[00:22:06]  It's just after the other.
[00:22:07]  So are human beings naturally good or naturally bad?
[00:22:12]  This is an incredibly important question.
[00:22:14]  Classical education believes human beings are rotten.
[00:22:17]  Modern education believes human beings are great.
[00:22:21]  Why does that matter?
[00:22:22]  Because if you believe human beings are great, then what do you have to teach them?
[00:22:27]  Just some skills, but you also then have to motivate them to be activists against what is bad, which is the system.
[00:22:33]  Because then they have to explain evil.
[00:22:34]  And the way that modern educators explain evil is racism, sexism, homophobia, colonialism, climate change.
[00:22:40]  External, external, external, not you.
[00:22:43]  External, not you.
[00:22:45]  Classical education believes that, no, no, you're the problem.
[00:22:48]  And you got a lot of work to do.
[00:22:50]  You got to learn self-control.
[00:22:51]  You got to learn gratitude.
[00:22:53]  You got to learn humility.
[00:22:54]  You got to learn temperance.
[00:22:56]  And you got to do it over and over and over and over and over again.
[00:22:59]  The way education should operate is education used to be where we used to tell young people, you're the problem and America is great.
[00:23:09]  Now in modern education, we say that you're great and America's the problem.
[00:23:15]  The self-esteem thing is a pile of anti-biblical garbage that has come into our schools.
[00:23:20]  And most Christians don't have the courage to say it because they want to be nice.
[00:23:24]  I don't care about being nice.
[00:23:25]  I care about being true.
[00:23:26]  And so, or telling the truth.
[00:23:28]  And I think self-esteem actually increases suicide.
[00:23:30]  I think self-esteem actually creates really bad behavior.
[00:23:33]  And I'll prove it to you.
[00:23:34]  If, there's this poster at Wheeling High School, and this is one of my big debates I had, you're perfect the way you are.
[00:23:39]  And I remember going up to a teacher, I said, if I'm perfect the way I am, why are we in school?
[00:23:43]  Why are we doing homework?
[00:23:46]  Instead, the proper message should be, you're not all yet, you could be.
[00:23:49]  Completely different.
[00:23:51]  One is about a journey of eventually reaching a destination through hard work, sacrifice, and discipline.
[00:23:58]  The other one is this affirmation as if you've completed your path in the ninth grade.
[00:24:05]  That's not even fair to the kid, right?
[00:24:07]  It puts all this pressure on them.
[00:24:10]  And so the question of is a human being naturally good or naturally bad is one of the most important questions an educator can ask.
[00:24:17]  Because then, as a society, you must explain why is there all this crumminess happening?
[00:24:23]  I think the answer is pretty simple because you believe the raw material we're dealing with post-the fall is pretty awful.
[00:24:32]  So you must teach goodness.
[00:24:35]  You must teach right and wrong.
[00:24:36]  And you must do it repeatedly.
[00:24:39]  And when challenged, the postmodernists who control the education system, you could tell that most of them don't have kids.
[00:24:48]  Because when you have kids, you realize that they're very sweet, but they do things you did not teach them that they got from somewhere, such as it's about me.
[00:25:02]  And I asked this to parents: we haven't had this phenomenon yet, but I can't wait.
[00:25:04]  It's going to be great.
[00:25:06]  Of a kid turning one parent against the other.
[00:25:09]  Manipulation.
[00:25:11]  Was there like a manipulation seminar where you sat that kid down?
[00:25:14]  Here's how you do it.
[00:25:15]  You game them here and you do it here.
[00:25:18]  Or is it kind of just like instinctive?
[00:25:21]  Is it automatic for a two-year-old absent education to say thank you?
[00:25:27]  No.

=== Memory Prevents Tyranny (02:50) ===

[00:25:28]  Gratitude has to be repeatedly reminded, incentivized, and then demanded.
[00:25:36]  Because you're not naturally grateful people.
[00:25:38]  And I'll prove it to you further.
[00:25:40]  Again, they reject the scriptures, the modernists.
[00:25:42]  But I love the book of Exodus, one of my favorite books of the Bible.
[00:25:47]  Incredibly wise for a variety of reasons.
[00:25:50]  And I think there's so much to learn from Sinai and from human nature and tyranny, which I think a lot of what we're living through right now, actually, Exodus speaks to.
[00:25:58]  So God delivers his chosen people after incredible intervention, right?
[00:26:01]  10 plagues, the whole thing.
[00:26:03]  They're in the desert for like a couple days, mind you.
[00:26:05]  This is not even like years, okay?
[00:26:09]  Blows coil off course, man and from heaven, the whole deal, right?
[00:26:11]  They wanted for nothing is what the scriptures were.
[00:26:13]  They weren't hungry.
[00:26:14]  They weren't all this.
[00:26:15]  And then they start yammering.
[00:26:18]  Send me back to Egypt.
[00:26:19]  We want to go.
[00:26:19]  Who is this Moses guy?
[00:26:21]  Who does he think he is?
[00:26:23]  We want to go back to Egypt where we were slaves because at least we had meat.
[00:26:34]  Ungrateful.
[00:26:36]  Another favorite line in the book of Exodus, which is everything we are living through.
[00:26:39]  It's the turning point of the whole, get it, turning point of the whole book of Exodus, which is great.
[00:26:44]  Because everything is going in kind of this post-Genesis, Genesis 12, you know, history starts.
[00:26:48]  Abram, you're a bum.
[00:26:49]  Get up, leave your dad's house, right?
[00:26:50]  Boom.
[00:26:51]  All of a sudden, history starts, right?
[00:26:53]  And we get all the way to Joseph.
[00:26:56]  And then Genesis ends, Exodus begins, and there's this incredible line where everything changes.
[00:27:05]  And then there was a king, it says king, but Pharaoh is fine, who rose to power who did not know Joseph.
[00:27:12]  And that was, all of a sudden, everything changed.
[00:27:14]  So what did he mean?
[00:27:15]  Joseph saved Egypt from annihilation.
[00:27:18]  Well, God did, but he interpreted the dreams.
[00:27:20]  And that's very important.
[00:27:21]  Joseph never took credit for it.
[00:27:22]  He said it's God who's giving him the power.
[00:27:24]  Pharaoh is like, yeah, I have no memory of that.
[00:27:27]  And he became a tyrannical maniac.
[00:27:30]  I could replace it by saying, and then came a generation who did not know George Washington.
[00:27:36]  And then came a generation who did not know Abraham Lincoln.
[00:27:40]  That's what you're living through.
[00:27:42]  Whole book of Exodus, the tyranny, God's, started with a Pharaoh, a king, being like, meh, who cares if we, or I don't know, who's the Joseph guy?
[00:27:52]  Why do we have all these people here again?
[00:27:54]  Like, who are these Hebrews?
[00:27:55]  Like, why do they take Saturdays off?
[00:27:56]  Like, it's really weird.
[00:27:59]  Turn them into slaves.
[00:28:01]  Just like that.
[00:28:02]  If you do not have a memory of what came before, tyranny is going to come.
[00:28:08]  And then you get into Exodus 20, right?
[00:28:11]  God's covenant with his people continues, Ten Commandments, which if everybody has to follow the Ten Commandments, it's actually more than Ten Commandments.

=== Honoring Parents in Exodus (02:23) ===

[00:28:18]  That's a separate issue.
[00:28:18]  But because it really is.
[00:28:21]  There's a lot.
[00:28:22]  For example, you need to work six days, not just, there's a lot there.
[00:28:25]  It could be anywhere between 12 to 14, depending on how you read it.
[00:28:29]  But the first is, the first sentence is super important, right?
[00:28:33]  For I am the Lord, remember, I am the Lord your God who delivered you from Egypt.
[00:28:36]  In case you morons forgot.
[00:28:40]  You know, when I parted the sea and kwail off course and the manna thing and all this, I'm the God that delivered you from slavery.
[00:28:49]  And of course, they do forget and they do the golden calf because that's human nature, which is rebellion and ingratitude.
[00:28:55]  And that's who we are.
[00:28:56]  But the one that I do want to make sure I emphasize of the Ten Commandments is the only one that involves our nation and involves a promise.
[00:29:03]  The only one.
[00:29:04]  Honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
[00:29:09]  And everything that modern secular education aims to do, intentionally or unintentionally, is to break the bond between a parent and a child.
[00:29:19]  Everything.
[00:29:20]  It is directly against that commandment.
[00:29:23]  Totalitarians need to make families strangers.
[00:29:29]  They need to make moms and kids foreign to one another.
[00:29:33]  Strong families are the greatest threat to totalitarianism.
[00:29:39]  When Stalin took power in Russia, he taught everyone that your true mother is Mother Russia, the Russian government.
[00:29:45]  In Mao's China, the first thing he did was enlist Little Red Guard and pay kids and reward kids with candy to turn in parents to the gulag.
[00:29:56]  And that same generation is now running the Chinese Communist Party in China.
[00:30:00]  What do parents also do?
[00:30:01]  Parents have a memory of things before.
[00:30:04]  That's why it says, honor your mother and father so that you may live long in the land of which you are in.
[00:30:11]  And that word honor literally means heavy, to treat your parents heavily, to treat that relationship not lightly.
[00:30:18]  So the word in Hebrew, heavily and honor, are the same word, and light and curse is the same word.
[00:30:23]  So if you were to treat them lightly, you were to curse them.
[00:30:25]  It's the same root in Biblical Hebrew.
[00:30:29]  And if you send your kid to Deerfield High School, no offense, there will be an overt or subversive campaign to ruin that bond.

=== Spiritual Dimensions of Belief (07:20) ===

[00:30:42]  So that's why we're here.
[00:30:43]  We're here because you're educators, because you guys have roles that have influence.
[00:30:47]  Some of you are in government schools, some of you are in private schools, some of you guys are in home schools.
[00:30:52]  We need to continue this education revolution.
[00:30:54]  We're here to partner with, there's so many organizations doing great work.
[00:30:58]  We need more.
[00:30:59]  More is more is more.
[00:31:01]  And I could tell you that we need to go on a rescue mission right now for the kids of this country that are currently being held hostage by this godless, secular situation that we find ourselves in.
[00:31:13]  We need to rescue those kids because there are so many great kids out there and parents that might mean well that have them in these just terrible institutions.
[00:31:22]  And we see the result, right?
[00:31:24]  The result is just terrible.
[00:31:25]  But there's a better, deeper way to educate the next generation.
[00:31:31]  We know it works.
[00:31:32]  When you do it right, you get leaders that you make statues to.
[00:31:36]  When you do it wrong, you get people that want to take statues down.
[00:31:43]  In the founding generation, there were about what we called 15 to 20 game changers, right?
[00:31:48]  John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Gubin or Morris.
[00:31:53]  You could go through the whole list, right?
[00:31:54]  George Mason.
[00:31:55]  All classically Christian educated, every single one of them.
[00:31:58]  The question is, where are the game changers right now in America?
[00:32:02]  You have to be sowing into that.
[00:32:04]  And I know some of you as Christians, you say, sorry, it seems so overwhelming.
[00:32:08]  You know, the odds are stacked against us.
[00:32:11]  You cannot engage.
[00:32:12]  You have to do your duty to the divine as an obligation, as a form of worship, regardless of how the odds are stacked against you.
[00:32:23]  And so I'm incredibly hopeful.
[00:32:24]  I'm hopeful because homeschooling has multiplied in recent years.
[00:32:28]  Look at this appendance here.
[00:32:29]  This is beyond anything we could have imagined.
[00:32:31]  It's really beautiful.
[00:32:32]  And we're going to keep on doing this.
[00:32:35]  I'm hopeful because I really think people are finally starting to wake up in a very serious way.
[00:32:39]  I think Christians are really starting to see the spiritual dimension of what's going on.
[00:32:43]  I certainly pray that's the case.
[00:32:46]  And we're seeing a hunger, an appetite, a desire to educate kids in the proper way, in the way that is proven and biblical, not in this secular, industrialized model that does not enrich the soul of the student.
[00:33:03]  So that's what we're here to do.
[00:33:05]  And thank you guys for partnering.
[00:33:06]  And we'll do some questions with the time I have remaining.
[00:33:08]  So thank you.
[00:33:18]  So with questions, you can line up right in the middle row right here.
[00:33:23]  I definitely want to hear from some teachers or educators.
[00:33:26]  So anybody have a question?
[00:33:29]  Step one up.
[00:33:33]  Okay.
[00:33:35]  Yeah.
[00:33:36]  Thank you.
[00:33:37]  Good evening.
[00:33:38]  I just came from a conference where in my method of teaching, they changed the American flag for the rainbow flag.
[00:33:47]  Yeah.
[00:33:47]  My question to you is, you know, as a Christian person, someone too good, do you come in there and then?
[00:33:52]  Do you wait?
[00:33:54]  What would be the answer for that?
[00:33:55]  What do we do when we see things going on wrong?
[00:33:56]  Do you just make it pass?
[00:33:58]  So that's my point.
[00:33:59]  So you went to a conference and they replaced the American flag with the rainbow flag?
[00:34:03]  Yeah.
[00:34:04]  Okay.
[00:34:05]  Can I ask where you teach?
[00:34:07]  Look, I'm a Montessori teacher.
[00:34:09]  I think it's a beautiful system, but we're taking a thing by the wrong mentalities.
[00:34:13]  Yeah.
[00:34:13]  Okay.
[00:34:15]  So I can't quite, I'm going to stop short of giving you specific advice because I probably want you to still have a job, right?
[00:34:23]  But I would prayerfully consider how to navigate that.
[00:34:27]  I mean, they're not going to stop, right?
[00:34:29]  I get in trouble for saying this, but from people I don't respect, so I'm going to say it because I respect all of you.
[00:34:34]  There is an all-out agenda to groom kids in an LGBT agenda.
[00:34:38]  These people are groomers, okay?
[00:34:40]  And they don't like it when you say that, but why on earth do you need a flag that celebrates people's sexual activity to children?
[00:34:49]  That's what it is, period.
[00:34:52]  I don't think that would go over very well if you say that, but I'm just giving you my honest thought.
[00:34:55]  Let me tell you something more broadly as a Christian thing, right?
[00:35:00]  I love the Old Testament, as you may or can tell.
[00:35:02]  I spent a lot of time in Genesis, X, this, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
[00:35:05]  I think it's, thank you.
[00:35:07]  It's really forgotten.
[00:35:08]  Jesus loved the Old Testament too, regardless of what your skinny G pastor might tell you.
[00:35:17]  Jesus quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book.
[00:35:19]  So do the founding fathers.
[00:35:20]  They had that in common.
[00:35:25]  Someone said the Talmud?
[00:35:28]  Oh, he's Psalms more than Deuteronomy?
[00:35:30]  Okay.
[00:35:30]  I got to correct John MacArthur then.
[00:35:35]  So Then the Torah, the first five books of Moses, were written as a refutation of paganism.
[00:35:46]  It's at war with paganism.
[00:35:48]  We're living through outright paganism right now.
[00:35:51]  There is no, I use the word secular, and I have to stop using that word because it's actually not true.
[00:35:56]  There is no such thing as a secular society.
[00:35:59]  You're going to have some form of belief.
[00:36:02]  So you might not have Christian belief, but you know, when you study Leviticus 1, 2, and 3, and they have all these very complex rituals, you're like, oh, that doesn't apply to us, right?
[00:36:14]  Like how you kill an animal and how and then all of a sudden you read all the rules of the woke and you're like, they just take biblical practices and reappropriate it through whatever new lens.
[00:36:27]  Human beings, as we are made by God, need attachment to something.
[00:36:31]  We need symbols.
[00:36:32]  We need flags.
[00:36:33]  We need songs.
[00:36:34]  We need something that we can say that we're part of.
[00:36:38]  And the LGBTQ mafia, they take that flag and it has a religious attachment to it for some people.
[00:36:47]  And I mean, I say this, and I love saying it, pride is a sin, and why we have a whole month dedicated to a sin is very strange to me and doesn't make any sense.
[00:36:59]  Well, it does if you study it.
[00:37:01]  But that there, whether it be the earth worship or the religion of tolerance, these are all just repurposed old river civilization pagan beliefs that is nothing new.
[00:37:14]  It's the same spiritual battles that remanifest themselves.
[00:37:20]  And in some ways, it is polytheism versus monotheism.
[00:37:25]  And one of the great dangers of polytheism is if there's multiple gods and there's multiple moralities.
[00:37:30]  If there's one God, there's only one morality.
[00:37:33]  Every founding father was an ethical monotheist, every single one.
[00:37:37]  An argument that needs to be made and kids need to learn is the Declaration of Independence was the clearest document ever written for ethical monotheism in the history of the world.
[00:37:47]  And by the way, God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.
[00:37:50]  And in fact, the last paragraph of the Declaration of Independence is literally a prayer.
[00:37:56]  We appeal to the supreme judge of the world.
[00:37:59]  That's a prayer.
[00:38:00]  That's how they used to pray in the 1770s.

=== Science Within Christian Context (13:47) ===

[00:38:03]  And so to answer, I know there's a lot there, but is Montessori Christian or used to be or is?
[00:38:10]  Used to be, yeah.
[00:38:12]  I can't speak much more to that.
[00:38:14]  I mean, we're here to support you and pray for you, but I know me.
[00:38:18]  I would personally not be able to be part of an organization that raised the pride flag at all.
[00:38:23]  I personally would find somewhere else to spend my time.
[00:38:27]  So thank you.
[00:38:29]  What books are you recommending these days?
[00:38:32]  Yeah, so I prefer books that are future focused, like 1984 and Brave New World.
[00:38:39]  Yeah, you guys got the joke.
[00:38:40]  You guys are an educated bunch.
[00:38:42]  So, yeah.
[00:38:45]  So, a couple books I'd love to share with you guys.
[00:38:50]  I love our podcast audience.
[00:38:52]  They are the most brutally honest people on the planet.
[00:38:55]  I recommend in 1984, like a year and a half ago, I posted a podcast and I got this screeching letter in the mail because I didn't do the proper disclaimers that there was a sex scene in there.
[00:39:04]  So, if you're going to teach 1984, yes, there is a adult scene there.
[00:39:09]  You could skip over it.
[00:39:10]  It's actually not important to the story.
[00:39:12]  So, just want to let you know.
[00:39:13]  It is unbelievably important, though, I think, to teach 1984, okay?
[00:39:18]  I say this as somebody who has read hundreds of books on the topic of politics and dystopianism.
[00:39:23]  He hits it perfectly.
[00:39:24]  However, there's an equally as good book, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley.
[00:39:29]  Okay, now, that's X-rated, okay?
[00:39:31]  That one is even worse than 84, okay?
[00:39:34]  When your kids are mature enough, or if you can think you could teach it in a way, people talk about Orwellian, they don't talk about Huxleyan.
[00:39:41]  Aldous Huxley was actually a contemporary of George Orwell, and he talked about totalitarianism in a different way.
[00:39:48]  He said, What would happen if all sexual privacy and norms go away, if everybody belonged to everybody?
[00:39:55]  Basically, he talked about widespread orgies.
[00:39:56]  He also talks about in the book something called Soma, a perfectly designed pharmaceutical that anybody could take at any time and have a pleasurable disconnection from reality.
[00:40:06]  Now, we would know nothing about that in today's time, right?
[00:40:08]  Far-off concept about taking a pill or a substance that can make us not attached with reality.
[00:40:14]  It is so spot-on because what he talks about is what if you were to distill it, 1984 with Orwell is: here's the danger of mass government surveillance and how privacy and freedom are linked together.
[00:40:27]  Orwell also talked about why truth matters and this dynamic between power and truth and kind of how they have a tension.
[00:40:35]  If you were to go to Huxley, though, in Brave New World, he says, What happens if there is no family?
[00:40:42]  And do tyrants benefit if people are able to get pleasure whenever they want?
[00:40:50]  And he actually argues that bad people are able to stay in power longer if you have no ability to control your carnal impulses.
[00:41:01]  That's not an argument made very often.
[00:41:03]  So, that's a whole book called Brave New World.
[00:41:05]  And the whole first chapter, by the way, is what would happen if you could actually artificially create human beings.
[00:41:11]  Yesterday, scientists exclaim they've created the first ever human embryo without an egg or a sperm.
[00:41:18]  Aldous Huxley, 1947 or 48, I think he published, I'm not mistaken, 51, predicted that that would happen in his lifetime.
[00:41:25]  He was a little bit behind the earth, literally.
[00:41:26]  So, it's very prophetic.
[00:41:28]  Okay, other books I love.
[00:41:29]  Someone who's actually had this book out in the lobby.
[00:41:31]  I saw it by Vashal Mengel Waldi.
[00:41:33]  It's unbelievably good.
[00:41:34]  The book that Built Your World.
[00:41:36]  It's an excellent book written by an Indian American who's amazing, and it talks about the Bible's significance in our culture, in our society.
[00:41:48]  Yeah, boy, what other books would be really important to share?
[00:41:53]  Oh, yeah, anything by C.S. Lewis.
[00:41:55]  Thank you for reminding me.
[00:41:55]  Yeah, so Abolition of Man, which is like my favorite education book, super short, easy.
[00:42:00]  And Pete Hegset's Battle for the American Mind.
[00:42:03]  I'm a huge C.S. Lewis fan.
[00:42:05]  I think C.S. Lewis is one of the most underrated apologists of the last hundred years.
[00:42:10]  And quite honestly, I think he's undercelebrated in Christian circles.
[00:42:13]  I know that might sound like quite a statement, but considering I think the weight and the accomplishment of his work and quite honestly, the spirit-filled prophecy, I think C.S. Lewis should be held at a very, very high celebratory standard in Protestant evangelical circles.
[00:42:29]  If you read Abolition of Man, he saw the entire problem of Western education and before anybody else.
[00:42:36]  And it's this whole idea of subjectivity and objectivity.
[00:42:39]  Okay, next question.
[00:42:43]  Hi, I'm Steve Fratt.
[00:42:44]  I'm Professor Emeritus here at Trinity.
[00:42:47]  Welcome.
[00:42:48]  That used to be 30 years.
[00:42:51]  And I taught intellectual history, world views.
[00:42:55]  I'm also a historian of science.
[00:42:57]  And so one of the frustrations I've had is that it seems to me, I know, I want to know what you think about this.
[00:43:05]  Besides the classics, what about the scientific revolution done within a Christian context?
[00:43:11]  You know, Copernicus, Brahe, Kepler, Galilei, and especially Bacon.
[00:43:19]  Yeah, Bacon.
[00:43:20]  Thoughts on the scientific revolution as a good as the start of modern, fair evidence and logic thinking, but also what people are afraid of since it's science.
[00:43:34]  Oh, it's science, but it's in a Christian context.
[00:43:39]  So I'd be interested in your thoughts.
[00:43:40]  And one other thing: animal farm.
[00:43:43]  Oh, animal, yeah, that Orwell's second greatest work.
[00:43:46]  Great question, sir.
[00:43:47]  Thank you.
[00:43:48]  So I'm going to do this as quick as I can.
[00:43:53]  So modern science, as we know it, was actually a Christian phenomenon.
[00:43:57]  So if you, before Christians, there were really no scientific breakthroughs.
[00:44:02]  Why would that be?
[00:44:03]  There were a couple of discoveries here or there.
[00:44:05]  Because if you believe that there is a creator who designed the world with intentionality and you go into the world to discover it because there's purpose behind it, then that gives you a reason to know and to understand.
[00:44:18]  Now, sir, I prefer Sir Isaac Newton.
[00:44:21]  He wrote more about Isaiah biblical prophecy than even Sir Francis Bacon had some problems, including the cover of his book, I always mispronounce it, the great instronation, instronation, where it actually shows two Roman pillars and a boat going right through it, as if he's saying we're trying to pierce antiquity into modernity.
[00:44:41]  But your point is really important.
[00:44:43]  So science, we as Christians should own, but it's totally different than what we're living through.
[00:44:48]  Because the Germans, who have a tendency to really mess things up, okay?
[00:44:53]  When you get a bunch of German intellectuals in a room, run, okay?
[00:44:57]  The Germans in the 1800s, they had a totally different approach to science, where Christian scientists in the 1600s and 1700s had humility and understanding of the hierarchy of nature.
[00:45:10]  There is a God and I am not him.
[00:45:12]  They sought to know, understand, and comprehend.
[00:45:16]  And the most important word that scientists do not have in their vocabulary, to wonder.
[00:45:24]  To wonder.
[00:45:26]  Scientists who came up with the scientific method were in awe and wonder of the complexity, the harmony, the design of our universe, from physics to biology.
[00:45:37]  They were, wow, that is amazing.
[00:45:40]  Then the Germans come along, those pesky little Germans, right?
[00:45:44]  And they had a totally different approach.
[00:45:46]  Part of it was Hegel and they drew from Rousseau.
[00:45:48]  They said, well, instead of understanding, why don't we seek to change nature to fit our image?
[00:45:54]  Why don't we try to exert power over the natural order?
[00:46:00]  And you then saw this totally change with, you saw Woodrow Wilson talked about in politics, where he said we should have an Founding Fathers had a Newtonian view of politics, but we should have a Darwinian view of politics.
[00:46:13]  I am not an expert on this, but I could play toe-to-toe with most people on it.
[00:46:17]  Darwin is trash, okay?
[00:46:19]  And you should have the courage to say that out loud and read Doubting Darwin.
[00:46:24]  It's an excellent book by secular intellectuals that just take Darwin to the woodshed for his guessing and his fake propositions.
[00:46:33]  And so Darwin changed everything.
[00:46:35]  But now modern science is not science.
[00:46:37]  It's not the science we know.
[00:46:39]  It is scientism.
[00:46:41]  It is a belief in changing the natural order to fit and accommodate our wishes.
[00:46:46]  I'm going to change the man to be a woman.
[00:46:49]  I'm going to crush the fetus, the baby, because I want to, not seek to understand or seek to know.
[00:46:56]  And that is the great tension because many of you say, wow, there's so much in science that I am in wonder or in awe or respect of.
[00:47:03]  But the German historicist view is, why wouldn't we try to exert our own power over humanity?
[00:47:11]  And you saw this during COVID, didn't you?
[00:47:13]  And this is why there's no, when you have no wisdom, what are you supposed to do with all these scientific breakthroughs?
[00:47:19]  With no wisdom, they can't answer the question, should we lock down schools?
[00:47:24]  With no wisdom, they can't answer the question, should we put masks on kids?
[00:47:28]  Because they have no basis to be able to determine good versus evil and no compass, no lens to answer those deeper questions.
[00:47:35]  So instead, they're not even talking about trust the science, right?
[00:47:40]  Force equal mass times acceleration, object restaurant, stay at rest.
[00:47:43]  They care more about trusting the scientists.
[00:47:46]  And I think a big Christian movement needs to be to reclaim science away from the secularists who do not, they look at nature not in awe and wonder.
[00:47:57]  They look at nature with contempt and for revenge.
[00:48:02]  They do not see the order of the logos and the cosmos and say there must be a creator.
[00:48:07]  They see it and say, I could have done it better.
[00:48:12]  And that is the divide in science in America today.
[00:48:14]  All right.
[00:48:15]  Thank you.
[00:48:16]  I do see my friend here.
[00:48:17]  Is that you, Chris, from Dream City?
[00:48:19]  Hey, Chris.
[00:48:20]  We have a great friend partner in Phoenix, by the way.
[00:48:23]  If any of you guys are there, a Dream City Christian, I just wanted to shout Chris out.
[00:48:26]  I thought that was you, man.
[00:48:27]  Good to see you.
[00:48:28]  So I'll take the last question before I get yanked off stage completely and because I have to actually run to another event.
[00:48:33]  Yes?
[00:48:34]  I'll try to make it quick.
[00:48:35]  So first, I just want to thank you.
[00:48:36]  I, two years ago, resigned my position as a professor of nursing and department chair to homeschool our girls.
[00:48:42]  Well, praise God.
[00:48:42]  That's the best decision ever on so many fronts.
[00:48:45]  They're here with me today.
[00:48:48]  And they actually, part of me homeschooling them was my husband and I said, you've got to find something extracurricular to do.
[00:48:54]  And so they started a Turning Point Activism Hub in our county.
[00:48:57]  Praise God.
[00:48:58]  They've done amazing with it.
[00:48:59]  They just got back from WYAT.
[00:49:01]  Why WYT?
[00:49:02]  Young women's.
[00:49:02]  Thank you.
[00:49:03]  Did they enjoy it?
[00:49:04]  They loved it.
[00:49:05]  I watched most of it online.
[00:49:06]  So when they got home, I was like, oh, and so-and-so, and they said this part.
[00:49:09]  And I was just amazing.
[00:49:11]  So thank you.
[00:49:12]  Thank you.
[00:49:13]  It's such a positive influence on them and so many other of our youth.
[00:49:17]  Second, how soon are you going to expand Turning Point Academy?
[00:49:21]  So maybe there's some more career opportunities.
[00:49:24]  We're in growth mode, right, Hutz?
[00:49:26]  I don't care.
[00:49:27]  I'm not so, I'm a little frustrated with healthcare these days.
[00:49:31]  I mean, that's the flawed approach of science now, right?
[00:49:34]  I mean, we are expanding.
[00:49:36]  We'd love to chat with you.
[00:49:38]  And having events like this means a lot.
[00:49:41]  I do want to mention something that there's this massive homeschooling revolution happening.
[00:49:46]  And I think it's one of the most positive developments in an ever negative news cycle, isn't it?
[00:49:52]  The amount of parents that want to take that control.
[00:49:54]  So thank you for saying that.
[00:49:56]  I'll close with this.
[00:49:57]  You guys are going to hear from some amazing speakers.
[00:49:59]  Please ask questions.
[00:50:01]  You know, we want you to be part of Turning Point Academy.
[00:50:03]  If we can give you resources, if we can give you training, if we can give you prayer and support, here's our crazy vision.
[00:50:10]  And we have a tendency of pulling them off because somebody laughed when I said we're going to have thousands of young ladies.
[00:50:16]  A couple years ago, I said, he'll never do that.
[00:50:17]  And you'll, oh, we'll have thousands of students.
[00:50:18]  He'll never do that.
[00:50:20]  I really believe that there can be a counter to these massive teachers' conferences that are out there that are done by the secular unions.
[00:50:29]  I'm sure you've seen them where they're pushing CRT and pushing DEI.
[00:50:34]  And so our vision one day would be to have 3,000, 4,000 teachers.
[00:50:38]  But this is where you guys are going to come in handy.
[00:50:41]  If we bless you these next couple days and you find this to be valuable, please get more teachers with you to come next time and bring them along.
[00:50:50]  Because this is going to be a word of mouth type revolution.
[00:50:52]  We're going to keep getting the word out.
[00:50:53]  But imagine 3,000, 4,000.
[00:50:55]  Hutz told me that this room directly touches 35,000 kids.
[00:51:02]  Is that not amazing?
[00:51:03]  35,000 kids.
[00:51:05]  So imagine if we get to 2,000 or 3,000.
[00:51:08]  And you're going to be such an important part to that.
[00:51:10]  Please keep turning point in your prayers.
[00:51:12]  We're working really hard.
[00:51:14]  I believe that we're in a really special time and moment.
[00:51:18]  I'm honored to be fighting alongside of all of you and be encouraged.
[00:51:22]  What you are doing is the most important thing to happen right now in the nation.
[00:51:26]  And we're here to help you and support you.
[00:51:28]  So, God bless you guys.
[00:51:29]  Thank you so much.
[00:51:35]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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[00:51:40]  Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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