The Charlie Kirk Show - To Impeach or Not Impeach? with Reps. Jim Jordan and Chip Roy
Aired: 2023-06-26
Duration: 33:21


=== Impeachment Fight and Whistleblowers (10:14) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Congressman Chip Roy joins the program and Congressman Jim Jordan, two electeds, walk us through the latest impeachment fight.
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[00:01:21]  Joining us now is the great Congressman Jim Jordan on several issues that he is leading on.
[00:01:29]  He's doing a great job.
[00:01:30]  Congressman Jordan, thank you for taking the time.
[00:01:32]  Let's start with the potential impeachment of Merrick Garland.
[00:01:36]  Congressman, what is the latest?
[00:01:39]  Well, we're going to keep digging for the facts and the truth, but this latest revelation from the IRS whistleblower, where it sounds like the U.S. Attorney in Delaware was requesting special counsel status and it was denied by, according to the whistleblower, denied by the Attorney General of the United States, and that contradicts what the attorney fight to under oath in front of the United States Senate when he said, no, he'd take a hands-off approach.
[00:02:02]  He'd let David Weiss, the U.S. Attorney in Delaware, run the case the way he felt was needed.
[00:02:06]  So we got a problem there.
[00:02:08]  And as a result of not having special counsel status, the case wasn't able to be brought in the District of Columbia or the Central District of California, which is where these tax matters should have been prosecuted.
[00:02:18]  And I just had one other thing, Charlie.
[00:02:19]  Understand, because it couldn't be brought there, this wound up allowing the 2014 tax year for Hunter Biden that dealt with barisma, all that income for that year, not to be able to be prosecuted against that statute of limitations run on that.
[00:02:35]  So that's a big problem.
[00:02:36]  We're going to continue to dig into it.
[00:02:37]  And if the facts take us to impeachment, then we'll go there.
[00:02:41]  But we're not there yet.
[00:02:42]  We've got to continue to do our work and do the investigation on Merrigarland, on my orcas, and frankly, on the president.
[00:02:48]  Yeah, so just as a side note, impeachment of cabinet officials is possible, but it's rare.
[00:02:54]  Usually we think of impeachment proceedings of presidents.
[00:02:58]  Is it a similar process, Congressman, as far as starts in the House and it gets to get out of committee, then a floor vote goes to the Senate?
[00:03:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:05]  And look, anytime we do it, we would do it in a way that I think provides a real due process, unlike what they did to President Trump both the first and second time, but certainly the second time, but even the first time where I sat in the bunker in the basement of the Capitol, we were doing depositions.
[00:03:24]  We were interviewing witnesses.
[00:03:25]  President Trump never got to call any of his witnesses.
[00:03:27]  His attorneys didn't get to be a part of any of that.
[00:03:29]  And we would do it in a way that would be fair if we get to that point, regardless of who it may affect.
[00:03:36]  So we've seen now that all roads lead to Joe Biden.
[00:03:42]  You were recently on Maria Bardaroma's program saying that impeachment of Joe Biden is now on the table.
[00:03:48]  Is that correct, Congressman?
[00:03:50]  Well, I mean, think about it.
[00:03:52]  We now have this 1023 form where you have a foreign national alleging that That used the term the big guy.
[00:04:00]  So you have people now on both sides of the equation, Hunter Biden's business partner using that term, someone who was actually paying the money to the Biden family using that term.
[00:04:10]  The 1023 form, according to the whistleblower, says that the Confidential Human Source said that these conversations were happening, money in exchange for policy decisions.
[00:04:21]  And now you have this IRS issue where you got the WhatsApp message.
[00:04:26]  You got all the details that the whistleblower has brought forward with what the Justice Department did, Biden's Justice Department did.
[00:04:32]  I don't think we're there yet, but I do think if the facts take us there, we are constitutionally bound.
[00:04:38]  If this is a high crime, bribery, treason, misdemeanor, the definition of the Constitution, if we get there, then we'll have to do that.
[00:04:45]  But we got to continue to investigate first.
[00:04:47]  Yeah, we have to look at it.
[00:04:49]  I think it's time to impeach Joe Biden, and I think the facts will lead there.
[00:04:53]  And you guys are doing this very maturely, unlike the Democrats, by the way, who did two shoddy impeachments.
[00:04:59]  The second one, even more so than the first one, they did in an hours or day bum rush, right?
[00:05:05]  So you got to get your facts.
[00:05:06]  Remember, these are very serious.
[00:05:07]  We don't take this lightly.
[00:05:09]  And, you know, we want to make sure if we do it, we go through the right due process, that, you know, the president has his side of the story.
[00:05:17]  Like, hey, you know, Hunter Biden seems to say in these text messages that he could do whatever he can get you to do whatever he wants to do.
[00:05:22]  What do you mean by that?
[00:05:23]  I'd actually be super curious to hear his response.
[00:05:26]  And I think you guys are handling it in the correct steps and the right sequence.
[00:05:31]  I also want to ask about Weiss.
[00:05:34]  Do you think, now, did he lie or was he hamstrung in the Hunter probe?
[00:05:38]  We don't know, but it can be both ways.
[00:05:40]  It can't be hands-off.
[00:05:41]  He can do what he wants, according to the Attorney General.
[00:05:43]  And then Weiss tell the people doing the investigation at the IRS and the Justice Department that, oh, I can't do certain things.
[00:05:50]  I'm not making the final decisions.
[00:05:52]  And I was denied special counsel status when he sought that.
[00:05:55]  So it can't be both.
[00:05:57]  So we got some people we need to talk to.
[00:05:59]  I also think we need to talk to, in addition to Mr. Weiss, we need to talk to Leslie Wolf, the assistant U.S. Attorney there in Delaware, because again, according to the whistleblower, she said that we're not going to, she stopped the search warrant.
[00:06:12]  She stopped any questions about Joe Biden were not allowed to be asked when they were interviewing other witnesses and other people part of this tax issue.
[00:06:22]  And she even said you can't use the term the big guy.
[00:06:24]  You can't ask about the big guy.
[00:06:26]  So why were those limitations put on the investigators who said that this was completely out of the norm, that this thing was slow walk and all kinds of things that were done differently than anyone else?
[00:06:36]  And that's always the fundamental problem.
[00:06:39]  Charlie, 60% of the country believe that there is a double standard at the Justice Department.
[00:06:45]  And they believe that because there is.
[00:06:47]  And that has got to change.
[00:06:50]  That is not how this great country is supposed to operate.
[00:06:52]  And once again, according to these whistleblowers, Mr. Shapley and the other one who's remained anonymous, they're talking about this double standard that they see at the Justice Department.
[00:07:02]  So, I mean, the question I think a lot of people have is then, will this be deemed or described as political?
[00:07:12]  And so are we worried that going into 2024, it's going to be labeled that way?
[00:07:17]  And is there a timeline that, you know, as you're in charge of judiciary that you're operating on?
[00:07:24]  Because as we go from the summer into the fall, you know, certain priorities start to come and go.
[00:07:29]  But I also want to make sure I mention this, Congressman, before I ask about the timeline, is I want to compliment you and the House.
[00:07:35]  You guys have been able to get this done in six months.
[00:07:38]  And so, Congressman, being around previous House majorities and this one, what is the difference?
[00:07:44]  How have you been able to get these otherwise encrypted text messages, get the FBI to cooperate, where in previous Congress sessions, it seems like Republicans were afraid to issue subpoenas or even contempt hearings?
[00:07:57]  How are you able to achieve such results so quickly in oversight?
[00:08:03]  I think it's two things.
[00:08:04]  Yeah, I think it's a couple things, Charlie.
[00:08:06]  You know, one, you know, Representative Comer and Chairman Comer, Chairman Smith of the respective committees have done good work.
[00:08:14]  But I also think, in addition to just the hard work, I mean, we're doing five, six depositions every week on a host of things from the weaponization of government on censorship and all these various agencies.
[00:08:24]  It just, it's every week.
[00:08:26]  They're just, they just transcribed interviews is what we call them, but they're depositions every stinking week, and we just continue to plow ahead.
[00:08:31]  That's how we found out about what's going on with FTC and the IRS and all this and Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security.
[00:08:39]  So you just do the work.
[00:08:40]  That's our job.
[00:08:42]  Second, I do think the fact that when we were in the minority last Congress, a number started coming to us, and we talked about that.
[00:08:51]  If you have something that needs to get to Congress, come tell us.
[00:08:54]  We will work with you.
[00:08:56]  Our lawyers on our committee staff are the best at this.
[00:08:59]  And so we've had a number of whistleblowers come forward.
[00:09:01]  And I think that carried over into this session.
[00:09:04]  It's why you saw Mr. Shapley and Mr. X, the anonymous whistleblower, come forward and talk with Congress.
[00:09:10]  So I think laying that groundwork, we had dozens come forward in the last couple of years talking about what was going on in these federal agencies.
[00:09:18]  I think that just coupled with good old-fashioned hard work on behalf of the staff and the committee members on oversight, ways and means, and I think judiciary as well.
[00:09:27]  Congressman, I want you to keep fighting hard.
[00:09:29]  And I know that it's going to be a pretty consequential summer.
[00:09:31]  I personally think it's time to proceed with impeachment of definitely Merrick Garland and probably Joe Biden.
[00:09:37]  I know it's going to fall deaf in the Senate.
[00:09:38]  These allegations are serious, though.
[00:09:41]  And you have to put them through, you have to put them in the public eye.
[00:09:46]  And if they were willing to use impeachment over a phone call with Donald Trump, yeah, selling out America for millions of dollars from our enemies, that probably is worth impeachment.
[00:09:55]  Congressman Jim Jordan, thank you so much and keep the pressure on.
[00:09:59]  Thanks so much.
[00:10:00]  Keep you, Charlie.
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=== Pride Month vs Pro-Life Advocacy (07:18) ===

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[00:11:07]  We are actually living through what we now call queer quarter.
[00:11:10]  It's no longer just Pride Month.
[00:11:12]  We have a whole Pride season.
[00:11:14]  It just basically goes from May to September.
[00:11:17]  They'll just make it the whole year.
[00:11:20]  I was walking in a town recently, and again, you feel like it's conquered territory every 10 feet is a pride flag.
[00:11:27]  And someone I was with asked an interesting question.
[00:11:29]  They said, why does it look different this year?
[00:11:31]  What is with the triangle and the pink and the thing?
[00:11:34]  I said, ah, what do you think that is?
[00:11:36]  They said, well, I don't know.
[00:11:38]  And again, this person was very traditional in their values, but they always, oh, I want to live and let live.
[00:11:46]  And it was too much for them, all these flags.
[00:11:47]  I said, that's the new transgender, transgender intersectional.
[00:11:51]  It's the IQA.
[00:11:53]  They will not stop changing the flag.
[00:11:56]  They will not stop adding other little alleged victim groups.
[00:11:59]  And they certainly will not stop trying to conquer more in more time.
[00:12:04]  I think most decent Americans, like you in the audience, like, okay, a couple days.
[00:12:08]  We get one day for July 4th, but we get a whole month for people's sexual preferences.
[00:12:16]  Really strange.
[00:12:17]  But it's fine.
[00:12:18]  But no, no, no.
[00:12:19]  Now it's according to Levine, who is the rear admiral, whatever. of the Biden regime, says, let's declare it the whole summer of pride.
[00:12:30]  Why not?
[00:12:31]  Play cut 19.
[00:12:32]  Hello, my name is Admiral Rachel Levine, and I have the honor of being the Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
[00:12:42]  Happy Pride.
[00:12:43]  Happy Pride Month.
[00:12:44]  And actually, let's declare it a summer of pride.
[00:12:47]  Happy summer of pride.
[00:12:49]  Let's declare it a summer of pride.
[00:12:52]  These are people that are in the top levels of our government.
[00:12:55]  This last weekend seemed to kind of be a crescendo of parades in Chicago and New York.
[00:13:01]  It's widespread.
[00:13:03]  It's just the outright degeneracy.
[00:13:07]  San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Los Angeles.
[00:13:13]  It is beyond indefensible.
[00:13:17]  But there you have Chuck Hugh Schumer and J.B. Pritzker and Mayor Eric Adams and many others just celebrating alongside.
[00:13:28]  And I want to be clear.
[00:13:29]  Eric Adams, you have this pathetic picture.
[00:13:34]  Eric Adams, New York City mayor with the trans flag and the gay flag.
[00:13:41]  I don't know if he agrees with it or not, but he is behaving in a certain way for a reason.
[00:13:48]  Why would Eric Adams all of a sudden pander to the gay lobby?
[00:13:54]  Because he fears them.
[00:13:56]  And this is what is very important to understand, is that the LGBTQ mafia, the LGBTQ cartel, they are vicious.
[00:14:11]  And so politicians like Chuck Hugh Schumer and J.B. Pritzker, they will do anything against Christians because Christians are very decent people.
[00:14:19]  They'll call your church non-essential.
[00:14:22]  They'll lock you down.
[00:14:24]  They'll say that any one of these things.
[00:14:27]  But they know how nasty the gay mafia is and they do not want to cross that line.
[00:14:32]  They certainly do not want to upset the trans world.
[00:14:35]  So they give them whatever they want, whole month and parade and special privileges.
[00:14:40]  Remember when the San Francisco gay men's choir took down the Will Convert Your Children video, Google just clamped down.
[00:14:48]  When the gay mob strikes, they strike with a vengeance.
[00:14:53]  And these Democrat politicians, you say, what are they thinking?
[00:14:56]  They're afraid.
[00:14:57]  They're held hostage by these people.
[00:15:00]  Put this picture up here.
[00:15:02]  If there was a picture that best explains the times that we're in, it's the Starbucks strike because a bunch of queers from Starbucks are striking.
[00:15:10]  They call themselves queers.
[00:15:11]  I'm not pejoratively calling them that.
[00:15:13]  Not that I care, but I'm just being for the record.
[00:15:16]  And so it's this queer with a poster, and it best summarizes what we're living through.
[00:15:22]  Her sign or his sign or whatever, its sign.
[00:15:26]  You see, that's the problem with the pronoun.
[00:15:27]  What you don't know, then you immediately go to it, which is inherently dehumanizing.
[00:15:31]  I hate the whole thing.
[00:15:31]  It's so stupid.
[00:15:33]  Okay.
[00:15:34]  The sign says, I'm gay, pay me.
[00:15:39]  That is modernity.
[00:15:41]  I'm gay, so give me money.
[00:15:44]  It really makes you wonder, what is the real goal here for some of these people?
[00:15:48]  These are a lot of these people have undiagnosed mental problems.
[00:15:51]  We know that.
[00:15:52]  You don't walk into a street that says, I'm gay, pay me.
[00:15:56]  I mean, we already know that's basically the new slogan of the U.S. Navy, right?
[00:15:59]  I'm gay, pay me.
[00:16:00]  We do gay poems on battleships, gay hymns.
[00:16:04]  So if you just have a picture of what is the motivating force.
[00:16:10]  Yeah, it's the slogan of the Department of Defense.
[00:16:13]  I'm gay, pay me.
[00:16:15]  That's what protesters have signs of now.
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=== War, Ukraine, and Strong Military (15:48) ===

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[00:17:55]  Joining us now is Congressman Chip Roy.
[00:17:59]  Several topics I want to cover with him.
[00:18:01]  Congressman, thank you for joining the program.
[00:18:03]  I want your take on the Wagner-Russian Putin drama, especially in the light of the new resolution that you introduced to try to get us out of these silly and endless wars.
[00:18:14]  Congressman Chip Roy, the floor is yours.
[00:18:16]  Well, Charlie, first of all, thank you.
[00:18:17]  I hope my signal is okay.
[00:18:18]  I'm in Eagle Pass, Texas.
[00:18:20]  More about that in a minute.
[00:18:21]  But yeah, thanks for that question.
[00:18:22]  You know, last week I joined with a few of my colleagues, including Senator Rand Paul in the Senate and Warren Davidson in the House of Representatives, for example, to introduce legislation that says, you know, look, guys, you know, if Article 5 is going to be invoked for NATO, which for your listeners, right, that's the provision, our NATO agreement, saying that, you know, if they're under attack or, you know, if they're facing threat, that we are obliged to get in and support in some form or fashion.
[00:18:48]  We wanted to remind them that Article 5 comes with an obligation to follow American law and American constitutional authority.
[00:18:55]  So you got to vote on it.
[00:18:57]  You can't just go to war because something's going on in Europe.
[00:19:00]  So we wanted to reinforce that.
[00:19:02]  Obviously, what we're seeing on fold in Russia, it kind of just begs the question of what we're getting ourselves mired into.
[00:19:10]  I don't have the latest today because I'm literally off the grid down along the Rio Grande.
[00:19:15]  But, you know, we're seeing, like, there's more of the same out of Russia.
[00:19:19]  And everybody just thinks suddenly one day we're going to wake up and it's going to be all peachy and roses.
[00:19:23]  And, you know, oh, yeah, now we're going to have a liberal democracy spring forth.
[00:19:27]  Look, the fact is we just got to do our job, focus on America first.
[00:19:32]  I think former President Trump had that right.
[00:19:35]  And make sure that we're exerting force around the globe, but peace through strength, right?
[00:19:40]  Sparingly use military, peace through strength.
[00:19:44]  Well, yeah, how about we bring some representative government principles to our country?
[00:19:48]  I mean, Congressman, I laugh because you have Lindsey Graham and some of your colleagues in the Senate.
[00:19:53]  Talk about how awful Russia is because Russia is imprisoning their political opponents and that how it's a threat to the Western order.
[00:20:02]  I say, wait a second, we're acting more like Russia recently than not.
[00:20:07]  And I'm not saying that we're as bad as Russia or any of that overly simplified DC double talk garbage, but we're not exactly a shining city on the hill right now for how our justice system is being used.
[00:20:18]  So, Congressman, when you talk to your colleagues about what's happening in Ukraine, what do they tell you success looks like?
[00:20:25]  This is something I really can't draw out.
[00:20:27]  When we have guests on the program, I get double talk and dodging and really innuendo.
[00:20:33]  What is the Republican, and you obviously stand on the rational and prudent side, but what is the majority Republican belief?
[00:20:41]  When you talk privately, what do they think is the best case scenario right now in Ukraine?
[00:20:47]  Well, first of all, let me just take a few seconds to reinforce what you said about, you know, these guys want us to go around flexing our muscle around the globe, you know, challenging these authoritarian states when our own country is acting as an authoritarian state against its own people.
[00:21:03]  Well, the government weaponized against it, whether it's the IRS or the FBI.
[00:21:07]  Now we're seeing what's been happening with the two-tier system with Hunter Biden.
[00:21:10]  You know, get in all the details there.
[00:21:12]  You'll cover that, no doubt.
[00:21:13]  But that's the reality.
[00:21:14]  You're right.
[00:21:15]  And so what do I hear from my Republican colleagues?
[00:21:17]  Just more of the same gobbledygook.
[00:21:19]  It's like they pretend it's 1985 and they go out saying, oh, well, we just have to stand against Putin, Putin bad.
[00:21:26]  And you're going, okay, I agree.
[00:21:28]  Putin bad.
[00:21:29]  But there's a lot of bad.
[00:21:30]  The question here is what's in our strategic interest.
[00:21:34]  What's in our national security interest to make our country safer and stronger?
[00:21:38]  And at the end of the day, what's really happening, Charlie, and it's the same thing with the debt deal, the same thing with the appropriations process.
[00:21:46]  The defense hawks want to just keep their whole machine going in Washington, spending more money in the name of defense, using that as an excuse to mortgage our future, undermining our very physical strength, and empowering bureaucrats that are empowering the very authoritarian state that we say we want to go try to go around the world policing.
[00:22:04]  We can't do that.
[00:22:05]  Again, there's a third way.
[00:22:07]  You don't have to be isolationist and you don't have to be a warmonger.
[00:22:10]  You can actually believe in peace through strength, exerting your force through having a strong military, but sparingly used, and making sure that you're backing that up with, for example, in Ukraine, we should have a strong independent American energy policy that strengthens our hand rather than weakening our hand.
[00:22:29]  Yeah, I just, the more I learn about how the intel networks work and the more I learn about how we are fed false narratives, I really wonder why we fall into this line of thinking, why we need so many military bases in every corner.
[00:22:44]  We know that the government, the regime, operates on fear, and they used fear with COVID.
[00:22:52]  They use fear with all sorts of different things.
[00:22:55]  They obviously will as well.
[00:22:57]  So I want to play this piece of tape here, Congress, and get your reaction.
[00:22:59]  Lindsey Graham basically saying that Ukraine needs to be part of NATO.
[00:23:02]  That's effectively what he's saying here, PlayCut 16.
[00:23:05]  We're introducing a resolution today, since the Senate resolution that says that if Russia or Belarus or proxy of Russia explodes a nuclear device inside of Ukraine to stop the counteroffensive or to try to break the will of the Ukrainian people, such an attack should be considered an attack on NATO itself.
[00:23:32]  Congressman, this is extraordinary language from a U.S. Senator.
[00:23:35]  Your reaction.
[00:23:36]  Well, these are effectively kind of dueling resolutions.
[00:23:40]  In fact, I believe we dropped those or introduced, as we say, those bills on the same day.
[00:23:46]  And the fact is, this is precisely the problem.
[00:23:50]  You have members in Congress, you have senators who are itching to raise this up to effectively the status of war, war on the United States.
[00:24:01]  And we believe, and my colleagues that introduced this resolution with me, we believe that it's important to state the opposite, frankly, that we have an obligation to make a decision at every turn whether or not something is in our national security interest and rises to the level of engagement of military force for our national security interests under our constitution.
[00:24:23]  The declaration of war is supposed to mean something.
[00:24:26]  Charlie, it's also one of the reasons why I've introduced, you know, our ability to end the authorization of the use of the military force in Iraq.
[00:24:34]  Because last time I checked, Saddam Hussein's been dead for, I don't know, 15 plus years.
[00:24:38]  Like, you know, we don't need to be operating under a 20-year-old authorization of the use of military force so the defense complex can have some more friggin toys.
[00:24:46]  Like it's being used for all manners of sin, creating our government to be making our government bigger, more powerful, more authoritarian, undermining our freedom while go around to try to place world police.
[00:24:58]  I believe in having a strong deterrent military.
[00:25:02]  I suspect you do as well.
[00:25:04]  But you should not be willy-nilly engaging around the world while you are having, frankly, our own fires in our own backyard.
[00:25:11]  I was just sitting at the Rio Grande.
[00:25:13]  We're right across the river.
[00:25:15]  Cartels are acting with impunity, killing thousands of Americans with fentanyl.
[00:25:21]  Yeah, so Congressman, this is what just drives me nuts is, I mean, we talk, we have Lindsey Graham and all these war hawks that want hundreds of billions of dollars more to be spent.
[00:25:31]  Congressman, why don't we use our own military on the southern border before we care about Ukraine's border?
[00:25:38]  Where does that ridiculous approach come from?
[00:25:43]  It's anti-American.
[00:25:44]  It's globalist.
[00:25:45]  Where does that come from, Congressman?
[00:25:47]  Well, look, I mean, to the border question, we should, right?
[00:25:51]  We should recognize the cartels or the equivalent of terrorist organizations or certainly, you know, criminal organizations, transnational criminal organizations.
[00:26:02]  We should take them out.
[00:26:03]  We should authorize military force.
[00:26:05]  As Governor DeSantis said on the border just a little about an hour ago, he said, look, if somebody's cutting the fence down, that's like them breaking into your house.
[00:26:12]  And you're allowed to use force to push back on someone breaking into your house.
[00:26:17]  It ought to be the same if they're trying to break into your country, especially when their cartels, you know, cutting fence with blowtorches or whatever they're cutting them with and bringing in backpacks of fentanyl.
[00:26:29]  Meanwhile, as you said, Lindsey Graham, as you said, the Warhawks in Washington, they've never met a conflict they didn't want to get us involved in.
[00:26:36]  They've never met some.
[00:26:38]  And look, I really do believe that is a part of an overall, both cultural and worse, sinister kind of cabal, if you will, in D.C., where everybody there is just basically built around, hey, let's just go get more money or more contracts to get more defense built up.
[00:26:59]  And all of that is not tethered to a strategic plan to make our country safer.
[00:27:05]  I could probably sign on to some more defense spending if it was built around a strategic goal of standing athwart China, sparingly using our military and really strong diplomacy where we are creating a massive amount of American energy.
[00:27:19]  But instead, we're seeding all that ground while we then go try to meddle in more foreign engagements, which frankly, I bet more Ukrainians are dead than might have been had we not been throwing $113 billion in a blank check to Ukraine.
[00:27:35]  I mean, I couldn't agree more.
[00:27:36]  I mean, this is just this perspective that is dominant in Washington, D.C.
[00:27:40]  It's a hangover from the Cold War in 9-11.
[00:27:43]  It doesn't make us safer.
[00:27:45]  We are a big country.
[00:27:46]  It would be nice if our military started with the immediate, defend the homeland.
[00:27:50]  And they say, oh, we are.
[00:27:51]  No, you're not.
[00:27:52]  There's 10,000 people breaking into the homeland every single day.
[00:27:55]  It is the Department of Invading Other Countries and Colonizing Them to believe in LGBTQ crap.
[00:28:01]  Congressman Chip Roy, thanks for the time.
[00:28:02]  Appreciate it.
[00:28:04]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:28:04]  God bless.
[00:28:07]  If I had to rank an issue that is of the most importance, but the hardest for me to convince older conservatives of it is this issue of perpetual warmongering.
[00:28:21]  There is this belief dating back to the 1980s, and Ronald Reagan is to blame for part of this, that we must have this overly bloated military at all times, and that the world is a petri dish where we get to select what leaders are in place, and that what happens in America is not as important as what happens internationally.
[00:28:43]  Now, that's always been a bad idea, but you don't feel the effects of international nation building or international saber rattling until your own country starts to simultaneously fall apart, when you start to send away our industry and you keep the border completely wide open.
[00:29:01]  War hawks in Congress, in both parties, by the way, from Chuck Schumer to Lindsey Graham, they've never seen a foreign conflict that they didn't want to get involved in.
[00:29:12]  And they always use emotional arguments.
[00:29:15]  Always.
[00:29:16]  It's hysteria.
[00:29:18]  It's panic.
[00:29:19]  It's not prudence or wisdom.
[00:29:21]  And I've debated these people for multiple years.
[00:29:24]  It's this rush into the immediate gut reaction of, well, the whole world is going to end.
[00:29:31]  If we don't do that, every nation is going to fall if we don't do that.
[00:29:35]  And they use the same sort of examples, which are quite honestly not applicable to today.
[00:29:40]  The example they use is, well, you're a Neville Chamberlain type.
[00:29:43]  That's what they'll always say.
[00:29:45]  That is their one-liner.
[00:29:46]  It's this ode back to a very specific period of time that is not applicable at all.
[00:29:52]  A lot of this is post-Vietnam reaction.
[00:29:55]  Liberals attacked the military, tore it down, hated it, and want to give it to the USSR.
[00:30:00]  We push back on that, and I'm glad we did.
[00:30:02]  But we haven't adjusted to the fact that the USSR fell 30 years ago.
[00:30:06]  And importantly, we've confused authentic strength domestically and pretending to be strong by starting dumb fights.
[00:30:15]  We don't prove we're strong when we enter wars.
[00:30:18]  We deplete our strength.
[00:30:20]  And if I were to just communicate directly to the audience of people that are 50 ages, 50 years or older, this is not a popular position.
[00:30:33]  You could even hear it a little bit in what Congressman Chip Roy was saying, and he was excellent on it.
[00:30:37]  He's like, well, Charlie, again, I want a strong military.
[00:30:40]  He has to say that, or else he's just going to get criticized as if he wants to gut our military.
[00:30:45]  Our military's budget is $800 billion a year.
[00:30:50]  They can't even be convinced to use some of that on our own southern border when we desperately need it.
[00:30:56]  When we look back on the last 30 years of this experiment of invade the world, invite the world, is there a war where you look back and you say, well, that was a great idea.
[00:31:07]  Maybe the Persian Gulf War.
[00:31:09]  And the Persian Gulf War, there's a really interesting conspiracy theory around the Persian Gulf War that it was like a made-for-television event.
[00:31:17]  That yes, people died, but it was largely produced by CNN.
[00:31:21]  Really good book.
[00:31:22]  Super interesting, not for right now.
[00:31:25]  But Somalia, was that a big success?
[00:31:26]  Blackhawk down?
[00:31:27]  No.
[00:31:28]  Afghanistan, huge failure.
[00:31:30]  Iraq, no way.
[00:31:33]  Libya?
[00:31:34]  Nope.
[00:31:35]  Ukraine, not going well at all.
[00:31:38]  The question is: who are you first obligated to?
[00:31:41]  Are you first loyal and obligated to your home nation, your actual country, or a country 5,000 miles away?
[00:31:51]  If we actually want a strong military, here's an idea.
[00:31:54]  Demand that our military stop doing tranny surgeries.
[00:31:57]  Demand that we promote based on merit instead of skin color.
[00:32:00]  Demand that we abolish our useless diversity bureaucracy and demand that our troops be in good physical shape.
[00:32:08]  Urban blight, life expectancy rates dropping, massive amounts of debt piling up, our national unity all at an all-time low, and the overall health of our people is lower, not higher, and our southern border is completely wide open.
[00:32:20]  Can we say that this international warmongering has been good for the American people?
[00:32:25]  The veterans that come back and commit suicide?
[00:32:27]  I think 23 veterans commit suicide daily in America.
[00:32:30]  It's 23 or 26 or something in the 20s.
[00:32:34]  The drug addiction, the PTSD.
[00:32:37]  Did our country get safer because of the decisions to go in Iraq and Afghanistan?
[00:32:41]  And I'm not diminishing the sacrifice, the courage, the heroism of the service members themselves.
[00:32:45]  I'm simply challenging the geopolitical decisions, and we're going to do it again because there is an insatiable appetite in D.C. for war.
[00:32:54]  And here's where you come in.
[00:32:56]  We as a conservative movement have to destroy the cancer of cold war foreign policy dogma that has dominated the Republican Party.
[00:33:07]  Thanks so much for listening.
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[00:33:12]  Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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