The Charlie Kirk Show - Can RFK Win? with Tom Del Beccaro and Sen. Ron Johnson
Aired: 2023-06-21
Duration: 32:36


=== Senator Ron Johnson Joins Us (01:26) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, Tana Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:01]  Senator Ron Johnson joins us for the latest regarding Hunter Biden and the injustice of the Justice Department.
[00:00:08]  And then a very special guest to talk about: Can RFK Jr. win the Democrat primary?
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=== Investigating The Shadow Government (15:16) ===

[00:01:26]  Senator, you've been on the case for quite a while now, getting the documents, putting them together, Marco Polo report, the whole deal when it comes to Hunter Biden and the Biden crime syndicate.
[00:01:38]  And then we get some announcement of this kind of plea deal, backroom sweetheart thing.
[00:01:43]  I'm just curious, what is your reaction?
[00:01:45]  You've been trying to pursue justice through your own ability as a senator.
[00:01:50]  Are you underwhelmed, disappointed, upset?
[00:01:53]  What are your thoughts?
[00:01:54]  I think this deal stinks to high heaven.
[00:01:57]  It certainly confirms the fact that we have a multi-tier system of justice.
[00:02:01]  We don't have equal application of justice under the law.
[00:02:04]  There is so much that needs to be investigated here.
[00:02:07]  Senator Grassy and I pretty well ran out of time.
[00:02:09]  We were doing our investigation during COVID.
[00:02:12]  The FBI was interfering in our investigation.
[00:02:15]  Democrats in the Senate were interfering in our investigation.
[00:02:20]  But again, there's so many unanswered questions here.
[00:02:22]  This is what I've been concerned about: that they would come up with some plea agreement to lesser charges.
[00:02:29]  My added concern right now is part of that plea agreement, sealing the records so that we never get to see what the truth is.
[00:02:39]  I was interested that I found it was interesting that Attorney Weiss said that his investigation is ongoing.
[00:02:45]  You know, what we had a real problem with during our investigation of the corrupt FBI investigation, Crossfire Hurricane, the Russian collusion hoax, is every time we would request, or I even had to subpoena Christopher Wray, we didn't get squat because the excuse they used is, well, this is under active investigation.
[00:03:06]  We can't share that information with you.
[00:03:07]  So if you've got a plea agreement that seals records, specific records, I mean, what a great way of sweeping the most recent allegations under the rug of the $10 million bribery screen that supposedly, or there's allegation that there are 17 recordings.
[00:03:23]  So, oh, we've looked at that.
[00:03:24]  We didn't find any.
[00:03:25]  What a perfect way of doing it.
[00:03:27]  You know, plea agreement, seal those records.
[00:03:29]  And then anything that James Comer with subpoena power is going after, you just say, well, we'd love to give it to you, but it's under active investigation.
[00:03:38]  We can't give you that information.
[00:03:40]  It's, by the way, it's always the excuse federal law enforcement uses not to turn information over to Congress for its legitimate oversight responsibilities.
[00:03:51]  So I think there's a couple of things that come to mind.
[00:03:53]  Let's just start right there, Senator.
[00:03:55]  The executive branch is supposed to be able to be checked by the legislative branch.
[00:04:00]  This kind of technical excuse, yeah, they could have an ongoing investigation for the next 100 years into Biden to protect them from congressional oversight.
[00:04:09]  Is this a larger constitutional question that the Supreme Court's going to need to eventually weigh in on?
[00:04:13]  Because you can't do your job as a legislator, as someone who has a mandate for oversight, if they just time and time again say, well, it's an act of investigation.
[00:04:23]  It feels like a cop-out.
[00:04:25]  Well, it is a constitutional issue.
[00:04:27]  What has happened over the decades is Congress has, in many cases, willingly turned over its constitutional responsibilities and authority to the executive branch.
[00:04:36]  I would argue, primarily to avoid accountability.
[00:04:39]  You know, pass a law called the Patient Protection Affordable Care Act and let the administration fill in the blanks.
[00:04:46]  But when it comes to congressional oversight, what the executive branch has noticed is that Congress has very weak enforcement powers.
[00:04:53]  Now, we can hold individuals in contempt.
[00:04:57]  We actually, if they remain in contempt, we can send our sergeant-at-arms over to arrest them.
[00:05:04]  But that's probably what Congress is going to have to do to get the attention of the executive branch and exert our co-equal branch of government status.
[00:05:13]  But until Congress does that, we have every right to investigate things, to investigate individuals.
[00:05:20]  We have a constitutional authority to do that.
[00:05:24]  But pretty well, we've just turned it over to federal law enforcement and then washed our hands of it.
[00:05:29]  That's got to change.
[00:05:31]  So, and it's interesting because the founders anticipated that Congress is going to be the most political branch.
[00:05:38]  And so that, yes, you should have oversight, but they would never have, I think, one of the things that has just come to life the last hundred years, this administrative state that is basically running the entire government, right?
[00:05:50]  They just kind of laugh at Congress, like, yeah, you guys have elections.
[00:05:55]  We last forever.
[00:05:56]  And it's a major issue.
[00:05:57]  I think the Goliath of the administrative state is one of the greatest threats to our liberty that exists.
[00:06:03]  And you've been great on it.
[00:06:04]  Senator, what is the story of this 17 recordings?
[00:06:06]  Senator Grassley said this from the Senate floor.
[00:06:09]  There's been a lot of reporting on it, but also a fair amount of rumor that has been kind of inserted.
[00:06:16]  What are the facts regarding these recordings and President Joe Biden and a foreign national?
[00:06:21]  Well, even though we're falsely accused of soliciting and disseminating Russian disinformation, Senator Grassley's, in my report, was scrupulous at verifying everything and making sure that everything was solid.
[00:06:35]  And we checked and double-checked everything.
[00:06:39]  In this case, Senator Grassley, again, is being equally careful.
[00:06:42]  We have a whistleblower that talked about these 1023 reports based on a known confidential human source, a credible confidential human source.
[00:06:53]  But this individual is talking to, we believe it might be the head of Burisma, a corrupt oligarch.
[00:07:01]  And you need to take anything that corrupt oligarch says with a grain of salt.
[00:07:05]  So it's been reported that that oligarch told this confidential human source that he recorded 15 times Hunter Biden and twice Joe Biden as he was being bribed by them, or as he was bribing them, let's put it that way.
[00:07:19]  But again, it's an allegation by probably a corrupt oligarch.
[00:07:24]  Can you really believe it?
[00:07:25]  I think what Senator Grassley's point has been is: well, what did the FBI do with this?
[00:07:30]  And that's why I'm even more suspicious, knowing how corrupt some of the political actors in the FBI are in the Department of Justice.
[00:07:38]  Is this how they're going to sweep their corrupt actions as a result to not investigating those allegations?
[00:07:45]  I mean, I don't know.
[00:07:46]  We don't know.
[00:07:47]  They're not being forthright.
[00:07:49]  Past example of that is, you know, Senator Grassley saw the 1023 in a less redacted state, which I think the FBI knew.
[00:07:57]  When they finally turned over the 1023 to the House committee, they redacted that portion and talked about those recordings.
[00:08:06]  Now, why would they do that?
[00:08:07]  I understand the concern about maybe putting the confidential human source at risk.
[00:08:11]  I mean, that is the concern about making these things known to the public.
[00:08:16]  But there's no added risk as long as you're revealing the 1023, talking about the recordings, other than it makes the Bidens look worse, or it certainly wests the public's appetite of learning more.
[00:08:32]  So, again, the FBI has not been forthright here.
[00:08:35]  They've not been honest.
[00:08:36]  They haven't been transparent the way they should be.
[00:08:38]  And I just don't trust them.
[00:08:40]  No, I don't either.
[00:08:41]  And by the way, it's not as if it's an unknown thing to have lawmakers briefed on confidential material.
[00:08:48]  You have skiffs.
[00:08:49]  You know, you and your colleagues are briefed on highly sensitive national security material.
[00:08:54]  And so this is a ridiculous cop-out to say, well, it's a redaction.
[00:08:58]  What they're trying to say is we're hiding something from you, is what they're really saying.
[00:09:02]  And by the way, when it came, please, Senator.
[00:09:05]  I was going to say, listen, it's a tragedy.
[00:09:07]  I don't like saying that I don't trust the FBI.
[00:09:10]  I don't like that I don't trust them, but I don't.
[00:09:13]  And it's not my fault.
[00:09:14]  It's theirs.
[00:09:15]  They have not given somebody like me any reason to trust them.
[00:09:18]  Christopher Wray, I think, has done a miserable job.
[00:09:20]  His number one goal coming in for James Comey, who destroyed the credibility of the FBI, should have been to restore the integrity and credibility of the FBI.
[00:09:29]  He's done the exact opposite.
[00:09:32]  And I share that lament, Senator.
[00:09:35]  I want to trust my federal law enforcement.
[00:09:37]  I think it's important to go after child sex traffickers and terrorists.
[00:09:41]  I think it's important to have bank robbers and interstate criminals to be held accountable.
[00:09:45]  I think it's necessary.
[00:09:47]  At the same time, we see the FBI that just has this pattern time and time again of no accountability.
[00:09:52]  I was just wondering, Senator, the attitude, so a little bit more just like subjective than objective.
[00:09:57]  Do you just feel an attitude of delay and superiority and smugness from the FBI instead of cooperation?
[00:10:04]  And has that changed at all in recent years in your dealings with them?
[00:10:08]  Well, again, I've only been in this position 12 years and really doing investigations probably over the last seven or eight years.
[00:10:14]  But again, the smugness and the arrogance is at the top level.
[00:10:17]  I mean, you have to say, I think the vast majority of people working in these departments have integrity, which is why we're seeing whistleblowers.
[00:10:24]  And we need more whistleblowers.
[00:10:25]  The problem is the whistleblowers, they only have one piece of the puzzle.
[00:10:29]  So we need a lot of whistleblowers to show us different pieces of the puzzle so we can kind of put it all together to really understand what is happening.
[00:10:36]  But there's no doubt there are partisan actors in the FBI and the Department of Justice, and they are arrogant.
[00:10:41]  They are smug.
[00:10:43]  They look at each administration, quite honestly, as this two shall pass.
[00:10:49]  They're the permanent bureaucracy.
[00:10:50]  They have the power.
[00:10:51]  They know they've got the power and they wield it with smugness and arrogance.
[00:10:56]  Boy, is that true?
[00:10:58]  And yeah, when it's this two shall pass, it was not in reference to the administrative state staying in power for Senator, is it then fair to say, and I don't want to be overly cynical, that this is the shadow government, the Leviathan's attempt to just close the Hunter Biden stuff, that they can kind of say, oh, okay, this is over with.
[00:11:18]  Or is there going to be any hope that the actual, like the bigger picture crimes, for example, tens of millions of dollars coming from abroad, possibly selling favors and bribery, or do you think that this is getting sunsetted?
[00:11:32]  Well, that's what they want.
[00:11:34]  You know, we certainly see the mainstream corporate media wanting to close a book on this, saying, oh, this wasn't a sweetheart deal.
[00:11:41]  Yes, it was.
[00:11:42]  Okay.
[00:11:43]  So that's part of our problem here, Charlie, is we have the complicit, the compliant, and corrupt media that they're not journalists anymore.
[00:11:51]  They're advocates for the left.
[00:11:53]  And so they've covered up for Joe Biden for really years.
[00:11:57]  They got him elected, a candidate who ran from his basement.
[00:12:01]  And again, now they want to see no evil.
[00:12:03]  They want to hear no evil.
[00:12:04]  They want to continue to cover up for the Biden family because they'd like to see the guy get re-elected, unbelievably.
[00:12:11]  But that's what, you know, so again, we've got corrupt partisan actors in the deep state.
[00:12:15]  It's pervasive.
[00:12:16]  It is, you know, in all agencies, I would say.
[00:12:21]  And we've got a compliant and corrupt and complicit media as well.
[00:12:25]  It's powerful opponents.
[00:12:28]  It's not a fair fight.
[00:12:30]  It's not a level playing field.
[00:12:31]  No, it's not.
[00:12:32]  And you're doing a wonderful job in a very, very difficult scenario and circumstance.
[00:12:37]  And as you say it best, the administrative state, their advantage is their permanency, is that they'll just delay or they'll redact or they'll have an excuse or they'll punt because they're not going anywhere.
[00:12:52]  They're institutionally anchored.
[00:12:53]  They stonewall and they say all the bluster of politics.
[00:12:58]  This is Woodrow Wilson's vision.
[00:12:59]  He wanted a permanent, immovable administrative state that is not impacted by the will of the people.
[00:13:06]  Final thoughts, Senator, about 45 seconds remaining.
[00:13:09]  Of course, what they always say, well, there's no proof.
[00:13:11]  Well, there's no proof because they know what they did.
[00:13:14]  They know how to hide the ball and they're very good at hiding the ball.
[00:13:17]  So these investigations are difficult.
[00:13:21]  People who've done wrong hide it.
[00:13:23]  And when you're dealing with federal law enforcement, trying to enforce the law against federal law enforcement, it's pretty darn difficult to do.
[00:13:30]  So we need more whistleblowers.
[00:13:32]  Please come to our office, ronjohnson.senate.gov whistleblowers, and tell us your story.
[00:13:39]  Say that website one more time for our national audience, please.
[00:13:42]  Ronjohnson.senate.gov slash whistleblowers.
[00:13:46]  Fabulous.
[00:13:47]  That is a direct action item, everybody.
[00:13:49]  If you've seen something or know something, I believe it's your patriotic duty, your obligation to speak out.
[00:13:55]  And Senator Johnson will make sure, to the best of his ability, you're protected under the law.
[00:13:59]  Senator, thank you so much.
[00:14:01]  Have a great day.
[00:14:02]  Thank you.
[00:14:03]  Man, I'll tell you, Senator Johnson is one of the good guys.
[00:14:06]  He is great.
[00:14:08]  So I get asked frequently, Charlie, who should be Donald Trump's vice president?
[00:14:12]  I think Byron Donald is an interesting recommendation.
[00:14:15]  I think Senator Ron Johnson makes a lot of sense.
[00:14:17]  Now, hear me out.
[00:14:18]  We have to win Wisconsin.
[00:14:20]  It's one of the three states that are necessary to win.
[00:14:22]  And Wisconsin will support one of their own.
[00:14:24]  They're a very tribal state, I mean in the best way.
[00:14:27]  They like one of their own.
[00:14:28]  He has won three difficult elections in that state, despite having hundreds of millions of dollars spent against him.
[00:14:34]  He was the leader against the mRNA shot that they called the vaccine, regardless, despite, I should say, not regardless, despite all of the garbage thrown at him.
[00:14:48]  He's excellent on immigration.
[00:14:49]  He's been amazing on the Marco Polo report.
[00:14:51]  Yes, he's not exactly where I'm at on Ukraine, but I can put that aside.
[00:14:57]  And I also think that he would help with some of our target voters in Arizona and Georgia.
[00:15:02]  I want to hear your thoughts.
[00:15:03]  Potentially, who should Donald Trump pick as a vice president?
[00:15:06]  I think the top of the list, Senator Ron Johnson, he's looking better and better by the day.
[00:15:10]  I think he would do a great job.
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[00:16:20]  Can Robert F. Kennedy Jun win the Democrat primary?
[00:16:29]  Well, joining us now is Thomas Gdel Beccaro.
[00:16:32]  Did I say that right, Thomas?
[00:16:34]  Sure hope so.
[00:16:35]  You did.
[00:16:35]  Thanks so much.
[00:16:36]  Great.
[00:16:36]  Is joining us to kind of explore this provocative topic.
[00:16:40]  I am not willing to dismiss this.

=== Can RFK Jr Win The Nomination (09:54) ===

[00:16:42]  I think it's a low probability, but do you think RFK Jr. can win the Democrat nomination?
[00:16:51]  All right.
[00:16:52]  Well, you're talking to someone who in 1969 bet on the New York Jets to beat the Colts.
[00:16:57]  So I'm big on underdogs.
[00:16:59]  Oh, the name is.
[00:17:01]  Okay.
[00:17:01]  So there you go.
[00:17:02]  That was the old NFC, AFC days where I think they were 17-point underdogs in that Super Bowl.
[00:17:08]  Was that their memory?
[00:17:08]  Very good.
[00:17:09]  And I bet it straight up, you're right.
[00:17:11]  Good memory.
[00:17:13]  Yeah.
[00:17:13]  So if we look at RFK, we got to think about the actual race, but then about the DNC.
[00:17:20]  Because if you take yourself back to February of 2020, what did the DNC and the Democrats do?
[00:17:30]  They saw that Bernie Sanders was going to be the nominee because he was about to clean up in March.
[00:17:38]  They went to Pete Buttigieg and forced him out of the race.
[00:17:43]  Excuse me.
[00:17:44]  So they effectively brokered the nomination in front of everyone.
[00:17:49]  They, in a sense, changed the rules to make sure that the person the establishment wanted to win, Joe Biden versus Bernie Sanders, would.
[00:18:01]  And so it wasn't a fair game.
[00:18:03]  So is it a fair game today?
[00:18:06]  Well, we know what.
[00:18:08]  They don't want to debate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for lots of reasons, which I know you've talked about on air and in your speeches.
[00:18:16]  He's a disruptor.
[00:18:18]  He went to the border.
[00:18:19]  He's talked about vaccines in a heretical way compared to what the DNC would like.
[00:18:26]  So if we start from the premise that the DNC is going to change the rules, if not cheat in every possible way to stop him, that's the logical way to look at it in the right way.
[00:18:38]  Then you get to step two.
[00:18:40]  It appears that Biden really isn't going to be on the ballot in Iowa and New Hampshire because Iowa and New Hampshire have the temerity to want to do the primary the way they want to do it versus what the DNC wants.
[00:18:58]  So now all of a sudden he gets there.
[00:19:01]  Then what will they do?
[00:19:03]  Will they change the rules some more?
[00:19:05]  It's hard to know.
[00:19:06]  Now, they have lastly.
[00:19:08]  Yeah, please finish up.
[00:19:09]  Lastly, real quick, will Biden actually go through with all of this?
[00:19:15]  That's still an open question in my mind.
[00:19:17]  For the last year, I've talked about the fact that Gavin Newson, you know him out here in California, is doing all the right things to run for president.
[00:19:26]  Is he doing it for 2024 or now?
[00:19:28]  If Biden has to drop out, it's my belief the DNC would change the rules, Drop him in like an Army Ranger at the last minute to somehow win the nomination because they know that Kennedy, A, probably can't win nationally, and B, it wouldn't be a happy choice.
[00:19:50]  So, with those three things, is what we need to discuss about whether Kennedy could actually prevail.
[00:19:57]  So, primaries are tricky things, and it's a lot of emotion, it's a lot of base politics, and Joe Biden is not campaigning at all.
[00:20:04]  And this kind of ignoring RFK Jr. thing is not working because RFK Jr. is not running a traditional, I'm going to win over the Bernie Sanders wing of the party.
[00:20:16]  RFK Jr. is trying to win over just populists across the board, increase name ID and chatter, and almost create a new coalition.
[00:20:24]  I have no idea if this is going to be successful or not.
[00:20:27]  And, you know, MSNBC had a long segment with Chris Hayes and Brandy Zedrozny.
[00:20:33]  And we've dealt with Brandy Zedrozny before in some stories.
[00:20:35]  She's very smart, a relatively fair person, but she still has that, you know, pepper in her insults.
[00:20:40]  But I think she did a really good job on this interview where she said, look, there's a new coalition being built.
[00:20:45]  It's not right versus left, but it's top versus down, and you're not trusting the institutions.
[00:20:51]  And Chris Hayes says, well, you know, the liberal coalition in America is a high trust society of institutions, and the right wing is a low trust.
[00:20:59]  And that used to be the case.
[00:21:00]  He's totally right, by the way.
[00:21:02]  It used to be that conservatives were high trust on do you trust the government, high trust on do you trust corporations.
[00:21:08]  Now that's actually changed, where liberals are the ones that are like, yeah, I love Pfizer and BlackRock is great.
[00:21:14]  And the FBI is like, that's really that.
[00:21:16]  That's the true political change over the last 20 years.
[00:21:20]  It's amazing.
[00:21:21]  But let's just kind of talk about the calendar.
[00:21:25]  So Iowa is not the first state, from what I understand.
[00:21:28]  It's actually South Carolina, the first state to actually appropriate delegates.
[00:21:34]  So the South Carolina primary is kind of run by Clyburn and what could be called the black mafia in South Carolina.
[00:21:44]  Remember, Pete Buttigieg technically won Iowa in 2020.
[00:21:50]  Joe Biden finished fifth in New Hampshire, and then they just paused and they just did a great reset of the campaign.
[00:21:57]  And then South Carolina primary just totally changed everything when Joe Biden, quote unquote, won that state.
[00:22:03]  COVID happened, shut it down, and they proceeded.
[00:22:08]  So that's a long wind up.
[00:22:10]  Can RFK Jr. steal one of these early?
[00:22:13]  I mean, steal, you pick off one of these early states.
[00:22:16]  So you talked about South Carolina.
[00:22:19]  That's the first one the DNC wants.
[00:22:21]  And it's the first one under their rules will give those delegates.
[00:22:26]  But New Hampshire and Iowa may still go ahead of them.
[00:22:30]  And under DC rules, the DNC rules, they'll disqualify those delegates from counting.
[00:22:37]  And then all across the nation, this party that says, in the name of democracy, we need to cut dissent, stop people from saying inaccurate or disinformation as we view it.
[00:22:51]  So the party of saving democracy will actually disenfranchise two long-term states from their natural role.
[00:22:59]  That's what I mean by the DNC will change the rules at any time to get their preferred candidate.
[00:23:06]  So after, let's say he wins RFK, Biden's not on the ballot in Iowa and not on the ballot in New Hampshire.
[00:23:15]  Let's say RFK wins though.
[00:23:17]  What will the media stir be?
[00:23:19]  I know it will be from your point of view, which is, can you actually believe that they're doing no debates and disenfranchising votes, which is what any rational person will think.
[00:23:31]  But then Biden goes to South Carolina and they whip the vote and RFA finishes.
[00:23:38]  Let's say he loses 65 to 33.
[00:23:43]  What happens next?
[00:23:45]  Does he have any money to compete in Super Tuesday?
[00:23:48]  Money is a big deal, as you well know, in politics.
[00:23:53]  And how can he compete all across the country in March?
[00:23:56]  These are the headwinds that he faces, assuming no one else gets in the race, assuming Biden goes forward.
[00:24:04]  So the kind of manipulation of changing this calendar is super corrupt.
[00:24:11]  And by the way, I want to mention your book to our audience here, The Divided Era, How We Got Here and Keys to America's Reconciliation.
[00:24:18]  What I also just find interesting, though, is the DNC used to have superdelegates.
[00:24:24]  They, I think they've got rid of them, but it's just for quote unquote, the party of democracy, oh, they still do have super delegates.
[00:24:32]  I thought there was a movement to get rid of them, but then they diminished their power.
[00:24:37]  Yeah, and I just want to make sure people remember that Bernie Sanders had the nomination stole from him basically twice, especially in 2016.
[00:24:46]  Bernie Sanders was going to be the nominee in 2016.
[00:24:50]  And if you want a super thought crime, Donald Trump would have struggled to beat Bernie Sanders in 2016.
[00:24:57]  I think that the matchup of Clinton Trump was a lot better than Clinton Sanders, I mean Trump Sanders.
[00:25:02]  I know that might surprise people, but I think Sanders would have done a lot better in the Rust Belt than Hillary Clinton, especially because he used to actually be good on trade and immigration.
[00:25:11]  So here's a question.
[00:25:14]  Is it possible for Republicans to cross over into some of these Democrat primaries to help out RFK?
[00:25:21]  Certainly that could happen in California under California rule.
[00:25:27]  Before we get to that, though, the one thing RFK is missing, and you alluded to it, is an organization that is sort of non-aligned that could make the difference from him.
[00:25:40]  Remember, Trump wins the presidency because he uses Twitter and goes around the major media.
[00:25:46]  So what is RFK's plan to go around the major media?
[00:25:51]  Because MSNBC and CNN and the liberal hosts, they more often report on the things that he says that they disagree with than what they agree with, right?
[00:26:04]  What is his plan for doing that?
[00:26:06]  I applaud him for his videos and things like that that in the modern age work, but he really needs some sort of organization to pick him up and do what?
[00:26:21]  Create the mailing list that he has.
[00:26:23]  Bernie Sanders won by going around the major media because he has one of the best email lists during those years that anybody did.
[00:26:34]  Your organization benefits from that as well, does it not?

=== Building A Strong Mailing List (02:23) ===

[00:26:36]  Yeah, bigger.
[00:26:40]  AOC does the same thing.
[00:26:43]  She has this massive list.
[00:26:45]  So if RFK, if I was advising RFK, I'd say, look, you've got to get an org to help you create that list so you can get that direct message and tell Democrats what's at stake.
[00:26:58]  There's also the story today about Joe Manchin, whether he gets in as a third-party candidate, which would surely undermine the Democrats' ability to win in the fall.
[00:27:08]  But in the meantime, RFK's got to catch fire somewhere.
[00:27:13]  He's got to catch fire, but you could do that in one of these early states.
[00:27:17]  And when you are a sitting duck candidate like Biden, things can catch fire.
[00:27:22]  I'm telling you, in one of these states, it could get close.
[00:27:25]  And Kennedy has something going for him.
[00:27:28]  His last name is Kennedy.
[00:27:30]  Do not underestimate.
[00:27:33]  Yeah, and if you look at the 1968 election, the sitting president Johnson, they came close to him in a primary and he dropped out.
[00:27:42]  Wow.
[00:27:43]  Please check out the book, The Divided Era.
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=== Understanding Political Division Today (03:36) ===

[00:29:00]  I thought that RFK Jr. was very, very well known.
[00:29:02]  I thought he had ubiquitous name ID.
[00:29:04]  I thought it was all across the board.
[00:29:08]  I was wrong.
[00:29:09]  Him running for the candidacy.
[00:29:10]  I have people messaging me.
[00:29:11]  Charlie, have you ever heard of RFK Jr.?
[00:29:13]  Yeah, we had him on the show a couple years ago.
[00:29:15]  And we're going to hopefully have him on again.
[00:29:17]  And I say this: you know, people say that, oh, the right only wants RFK Jr. because he's a spoiler against Biden.
[00:29:26]  No, that's not why we like him.
[00:29:27]  We like him because he's saying things that are true.
[00:29:28]  For example, RFK Jr. is better than almost every Republican running for office on the threat the administrative state poses against ordinary Americans.
[00:29:36]  Thomas, sorry we lost you for a second.
[00:29:38]  Please continue.
[00:29:39]  Yeah, no doubt.
[00:29:40]  The premise of the book, The Divided Era, is that every decision government makes picks a winner and a loser and someone to pay for it.
[00:29:48]  And the more decisions they make, the more divided we become because every American, everything you do, Charlie, the gas you buy, the mattress you sleep on, the closure, everything is regulated.
[00:30:00]  So government has become the center of America instead of where our founders wanted it, which was on the margin.
[00:30:07]  Government today is 44% of the U.S. economy.
[00:30:10]  If you throw in the cost of regulations, it's at 50% or more.
[00:30:14]  So that's what drives this political division.
[00:30:18]  Americans, if they could turn away from government for a short period of time, mean not be annoyed by it or have it taxed or whatever, agree enormously that we should be the land of opportunity and that government and big corporations now like Pfizer shouldn't be creating public policy, right?
[00:30:39]  So yes, there are many people who Government not to fight and fixing.
[00:30:46]  The problem with government today is that it's just constantly in people's faces and causing this division.
[00:30:52]  And when someone like RFK comes out and says, Well, shouldn't we slow down on vaccines before we force everyone to do it?
[00:31:01]  Well, that's total common sense, right?
[00:31:03]  But it doesn't fit the big government, big corporation narrative that we're stuck in currently.
[00:31:09]  Well, and I think that this is where the great political movement that might never manifest because the people in charge might not let it because they want us to talk about trans stuff and race stuff all day long.
[00:31:21]  Is that you can build a coalition of people on the left that want to criticize corporations, people on the right that are more likely to criticize government, but they both are criticizing, they're criticizing an unholy marriage and a corrosive regime that are working together.
[00:31:38]  Whether you're naturally more critical of Pfizer or naturally more critical of the FDA, they're one in the same right now.
[00:31:46]  Final thoughts, Thomas?
[00:31:48]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:31:49]  When Kennedy took over John Kennedy, he lost more states than he won, but then he set national goals to bring people together.
[00:31:58]  And there are goals that can be done.
[00:32:00]  And you hit on the point: how can we get above that, this new policy dilemma of corporatism and the big government?
[00:32:10]  And the answer, of course, is to set the economy free.
[00:32:13]  And that's what a winning candidate will be able to do.
[00:32:15]  Thanks for having me on.
[00:32:16]  Thank you, Tom.
[00:32:17]  And check out his book, Divided Era.
[00:32:18]  Thank you so much.
[00:32:19]  Appreciate it.
[00:32:20]  Take care.
[00:32:21]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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