The Charlie Kirk Show - One Year Post-Dobbs with Lila Rose and Mike Davis Aired: 2023-06-20 Duration: 34:36 === Biden Plea and Indictment Maze (10:30) === [00:00:00] Hey everybody, it's Anna Charlie Kirk Show. [00:00:01] Mike Davis joins us to explain the maze of indictments facing Donald Trump and this strange plea bargain deal with Hunter Biden. [00:00:12] And Lila Rose joins us to reflect on one year since the reversal of Roe versus Wade. [00:00:18] Are we in a better spot? [00:00:19] Are we in a stronger spot because of that reversal? [00:00:22] She joins us to discuss. [00:00:24] Email us freedom at charliekirk.com and open up your podcast app and type in Charlie Kirk show. [00:00:29] You can get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com. [00:00:32] That is tpusa.com. [00:00:34] Sorry, high school or college chapter today. [00:00:37] And attend our Turning Point Action Conference. 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[00:01:32] Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com. [00:01:42] Joining us now is Mike Davis, who has a lot to say on these topics and issues. [00:01:47] Mike, welcome to the program. [00:01:49] Mike, how should we think about the Hunter Biden plea deal? [00:01:54] The floor is yours. [00:01:56] The Hunter Biden plea deal is clearly a sweetheart deal, not only to protect Hunter Biden, but to protect Merrick Garland's boss, Joe Biden. [00:02:06] And people keep talking about this David Weiss, this Delaware U.S. attorney who was appointed by President Trump. [00:02:13] That is not how it works in the Senate. [00:02:14] That was the chief counsel for nominations. [00:02:17] And I had to confirm judges and U.S. attorneys. [00:02:20] The home state senators work with the White House to pick U.S. attorneys. [00:02:26] And if there is not a U.S. attorney that is put in over the objection of any senator. [00:02:32] So, and this David Weiss, both Democrat senators and Delaware picked him and wanted him. [00:02:39] They actually put out a press release praising the pick and talking about how it was their pick as the two Democrat senators. [00:02:46] This is a sweetheart deal. [00:02:47] They're trying to cover up with Hunter Biden's plea arrangement here, this plea deal where he's going to plead guilty to two misdemeanors. [00:02:55] He's going to have a deferred sentence on a felony gun charge and apparently make all this corruption go away from 2017 and 2018 when we have clear evidence from an FBI whistleblower. [00:03:10] The FBI paid $200,000 over 10 years, credible evidence that then Vice President Joe Biden and Hunter took a $10 million foreign bribe from Burisma and had the Ukrainian president fire the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma and the Bidens if this Ukrainian president wanted a billion dollars in U.S. aid. [00:03:35] Remember Obama put Vice President Joe Biden in charge of Ukraine and the Bidens made millions and millions of dollars. [00:03:41] We have evidence that Joe Biden has made $20, $30 million, according to James Comer in the House, from this foreign bribery and corruption. [00:03:51] And David Weiss is covering this up. [00:03:53] David Weiss has been covering up the $10 million bribe allegation since Bill Barr sent it to him around January of 2020. [00:04:02] Why did David Weiss think it was a good idea to sit on evidence, credible evidence, they determined that then Vice President Joe Biden took this $10 million foreign bribe when he is running for president of the United States and could be compromised as the president of the United States and may need to be impeached and removed because of this. [00:04:23] So I want to read something from Jonathan Turley that I thought was really smart. [00:04:28] This is going to be very controversial for critics. [00:04:30] I think for many, this is going to look like you ticketed the getaway driver after a bank robbery. [00:04:35] Like, yeah, okay, you ran a red light, but you also robbed the bank and sold out your country. [00:04:40] Mike, do you agree, though, that it seems as if the Department of Justice is trying to run PR interference against a legitimate criticism that the DOJ has become the Praetorian guard for the Democrat Party? [00:04:54] There is no question. [00:04:55] There is no question. [00:04:57] Look what they did. [00:04:58] Hillary Clinton got caught with her illegal home server as Secretary of State with our nation's most classified secrets. [00:05:07] It was hacked probably by Russia, and it probably had pretty good evidence that the Clinton Foundation was in pay-for-play and other foreign bribery and corruption schemes. [00:05:18] The Justice Department cooked up the Russian collusion hoax, crossfire hurricane investigation to deflect to go after Trump, right? [00:05:27] And look, we have the Biden gets caught with five stashes of stolen classified records moved several times, accessible by their Chinese agent, probably used for their corrupt foreign dealings. [00:05:39] Miranda Devine at the New York Post has a 22-point memo that Hunter Biden wrote on the geopolitics of Ukraine. [00:05:47] Apparently, he put away the crackpipe and the paintbrush for a minute and boned up on Ukraine geopolitics. [00:05:53] Of course, he used classified information. [00:05:55] So what did they do? [00:05:56] They ordered the Biden Justice Department went after Trump for presidential records he's allowed to have. [00:06:02] And they just recently indicted him for a fight with Biden's librarians and other bureaucrats at the same time that they're covering up evidence for years that then Vice President Joe Biden took a $10 million foreign bribe and changed U.S. policy. [00:06:19] The Justice Department, the FBI have been weaponized. [00:06:24] They have gone after Trump in the last three elections. [00:06:27] 2016, they failed. [00:06:29] 2020, they succeeded. [00:06:31] 2024, they're going to try to succeed again. [00:06:34] So, Mike, do you believe that the Justice Department is taking the steps to get to eventual insurrection charge? [00:06:42] I know that's a big word. [00:06:44] I think it would be baseless and nonsensical, but it feels as if that the Department of Justice is trying to save some PR face and then strike. [00:06:55] They're building. [00:06:56] It's this slow build that feels as if we're living through another 2020. [00:07:01] I feel as if we're living another COVID where very few of us are willing to speak out, where we know something is wrong. [00:07:08] We can smell the rotten core. [00:07:12] We don't quite see the whole game until afterwards. [00:07:16] We're trying to put certain pieces together. [00:07:20] It feels so much like 2020, Mike, where it's there is a game to impact the election. [00:07:27] We know it's happening. [00:07:28] Most Republicans don't care until it happens afterwards. [00:07:32] Mike, do you think that this is all eventually to point towards an indictment of Donald Trump on insurrection? [00:07:40] 100%, Charlie. [00:07:42] This is lawfare on five different fronts. [00:07:45] New York, Attorney General Tish James brought civil fraud charges against Trump for paying back sophisticated banks in full. [00:07:54] Somehow, that is fraud in New York. [00:07:58] New York's Manhattan DA, this George Soros funded Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, indicted a former president and a presidential candidate for the first time in our history for the non-crime of a businessman settling a nuisance lawsuit. [00:08:13] And Alvin Bragg ignored the prior Manhattan DA, the U.S. prior Manhattan U.S. Attorney, the Federal Election Commission, and his own decision to do this. [00:08:22] They sent in Matthew Colangelo from the number three's office in the Biden Justice Department to go to Bragg's office to resuscitate this zombie case, this dead case against Trump. [00:08:33] Now Jack Smith brought this bogus indictment of Trump for espionage for his fight with Biden's librarians and bureaucrats over presidential records that President Trump is allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act. [00:08:46] Jack Smith and Fannie Willis down in Georgia will also indict Trump for January 6th, the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed under the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment. [00:09:00] So Mike, about a minute and a half remaining, though, how far does Jack Smith reach? [00:09:04] If he reaches for insurrection in an incredibly Democratic jury pool of D.C., I mean, then you're talking about potentially preventing Donald Trump from being president, which is what this is all about, right? [00:09:15] And if I was a Machiavellian Democrat, if I was a Marxist who hated the country, I would indict him for insurrection. [00:09:24] Number one, you guys have already been trial ballooning that in the media, so it's not out of nowhere. [00:09:28] Number two, you could drop the charges if the trial or the pretrial is not going well. [00:09:32] Number three, if you convict him, you can legitimately prevent him from becoming president. [00:09:37] One minute remaining, Mike, your reaction. [00:09:39] They're absolutely going to try to do that. [00:09:41] As we said, it's permitted by the Electoral Count Act of 1887. [00:09:45] This was a protest that got out of control and turned into a riot. [00:09:49] It was not an insurrection. [00:09:50] How many insurrectionists get to the Senate floor of a nation's capital and take selfies and not burn the damn place down? [00:09:58] The Trump administration was not organized enough to run an insurrection. [00:10:02] And I say that as a huge Trump support. [00:10:05] So that's number one. [00:10:07] What's going to have to happen here is the Supreme Court is going to have to resolve this. [00:10:11] The American people are going to have to put President Trump back in the White House first. [00:10:16] This needs to be a big F you from the American people to the D.C. ruling elites that the American people get to pick the president of the United States, not D.C. insiders and the D.C. Uniparty. === The Weissman Referral Controversy (06:32) === [00:10:30] Check out freedom at charliekirk.com. [00:10:33] I just want you all to have this sit in. [00:10:36] Nonviolent protesters on January 6th are going to serve a longer prison sentence than Hunter Biden. [00:10:42] A young man who made a meme making fun of Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election is going to serve more prison time than Hunter Biden. [00:10:50] A meme maker. [00:10:52] But as my friend James Lindsay and I talked about yesterday, the regime and the tyrants, they need to lock up comedians. [00:10:58] They're putting mockery on a show trial with Douglas Mackey. [00:11:02] But if you're the son of a president, you get a special deal. [00:11:08] Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here. [00:11:09] Every day, the parallel economy grows bigger and bigger. [00:11:12] It's powered by everyday Americans who are sick and tired of all the woke nonsense being jammed into every product they consume. [00:11:18] Big mobile companies are no different. [00:11:20] For years, they've been dumping millions into left-wing causes, and we had to take it because you need a cell phone and probably thought that there was no alternative. [00:11:28] But there is. [00:11:28] Patriot Mobile is America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. [00:11:32] They proudly offer dependable nationwide coverage on all three major networks. 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[00:12:22] Senator Chuck Grassley posed a question about Andrew Weissman, the federal prosecutor overseeing the Hunter Biden investigation. [00:12:29] Now, this is a different Weissman than the Weissman that goes on TV? [00:12:35] Yeah, I would assume so. [00:12:37] So, the federal prosecutor overseeing the Hunter Biden investigation plea deal. [00:12:42] And so, Senator Grassley's been asking questions here saying, quote, were his hands tied so that he couldn't look into credible allegations of bribery brought exposed by the House Oversight Committee. [00:12:51] If that's true, and Grassley rarely asks a question he doesn't know the answer to, who is giving those orders to limit the scope of the DOJ investigation? [00:12:59] Is it Garland? [00:13:01] Mike Davis, how should we think about this? [00:13:02] Kind of walk our audience through Senator Chuck Grassley. [00:13:04] I have a lot of respect for him. [00:13:06] He's incredible, especially considering his age. [00:13:08] It's remarkable. [00:13:09] How should we think about this, Mike Davis? [00:13:12] Well, Senator Grassley is my former boss, and he's the king of oversight, and he always undersells. [00:13:17] And if he's over the target on something, you can take it to the back, right? [00:13:21] And the U.S. attorney in Delaware is David Weiss. [00:13:26] Not Weissman, Weissman is the corrupt, the corrupt guy at Maine Justice. [00:13:32] But David Weiss is the... [00:13:33] I'm sorry, I get this. [00:13:35] I got the names all confused. [00:13:36] My fault. [00:13:37] Keep going. [00:13:38] I hear you. [00:13:38] It's hard to keep all these deep snakes straight, Charlie. [00:13:42] I'm with you. [00:13:43] So David Weiss is the U.S. attorney in Delaware. [00:13:46] He was handpicked by both Democrat and U.S. attorneys in Delaware. [00:13:51] I was the chief counsel for nominations on the Senate Judiciary Committee when this happens. [00:13:55] There is a process called the blue slip process, where these home state senators get to pick the U.S. attorney who will prosecute their corruption case, the U.S. District Court judge who will oversee their corruption trial, and the U.S. Marshal who will escort them to prison. [00:14:10] So you can bet your bottom dollar they're not going to pick people for these positions who are going to stray too far from their party line, right? [00:14:18] So David Weiss is the Democrats handpicked prosecutor under Trump, and David Weiss has been covering for the Bidens for years. [00:14:27] Attorney General Bill Barr sent in January 20, around January 2020, a referral to David Weiss that was deemed credible by a U.S. attorney in Pennsylvania that then Vice President Joe Biden took a $10 million foreign bribe and changed American policy. [00:14:45] What the hell did David Weiss do with that allegation for how many years now? [00:14:50] Why wasn't that allegation reported to Congress by Barr or Weiss? [00:14:54] Why, or at least senior congressional officials to let them know, hey, we may have a potential president of the United States who is compromised by a $10 million foreign bribe and may have to be impeached and removed from office if this ends up being true. [00:15:11] Weiss buried this allegation. [00:15:13] Weiss also sat on these charges with Hunter Biden and then charged Hunter Biden with two misdemeanors and a deferred sentence on a felony gun charge. [00:15:23] The felony gun charge will go away if Hunter can behave himself. [00:15:27] And these two misdemeanor charges are for essentially tax evasion from 2017 and 2018. [00:15:34] Well, guess when Joe Biden would have taken that $10 million foreign bribe from Burisma in 2017, 2018. [00:15:42] And it looks like David Weiss is trying to just make all that go away. [00:15:45] Just bury that evidence and charge Hunter Biden with these bogus misdemeanors, slap him on the hand and cover for the Bidens like David Weiss has been doing for years. [00:15:57] So we're running out of time here. [00:15:58] Mike Davis, 30 seconds, this quick as you can. [00:16:01] How is this all going to play out? [00:16:02] Are we going to see any accountability of Hunter Biden or is it now parking ticket for Hunter insurrection for Trump? [00:16:09] Final thoughts? [00:16:10] It's going to play out how it always plays out. [00:16:12] The Democrats will get away with murder and they're going to try to put Trump in prison for the rest of his life. [00:16:19] They want him to die in prison over a fight with Biden's librarians and other bureaucrats over presidential records he's allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act. [00:16:31] This needs to be resolved by the American people in November of 2024. [00:16:35] If Trump is back in the White House, this all goes away. [00:16:39] If he's not back in the White House, he goes to prison to die. [00:16:42] Mike Davis, excellent commentary. [00:16:44] Thank you so much. [00:16:45] Thank you. [00:16:49] Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here. [00:16:50] Mike Lindell's a great American patriot. [00:16:52] Don't you agree? [00:16:53] We need to support Mike Lindell. [00:16:55] The FBI went after him. [00:16:56] It's terrible. [00:16:57] Well, look, one way we can support Mike Lindell against these tyrants, these despots, these dictators, is MyPillow. === Pro-Life Movement Next Steps (15:20) === [00:17:02] MyPillow is having a massive closeout sale. [00:17:04] It's happening on their all-season slippers. [00:17:07] People continually make MySlippers the number one selling MyPillow product. [00:17:12] So let's do it right now. [00:17:14] Go to mypillow.com, promo code Kirk, to support my friend Mike Lindell, great patriot. 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[00:18:06] It can't happen. [00:18:07] Well, now we're at the one-year anniversary of Roe versus Wade being repealed. [00:18:11] What is the lesson that we should learn? [00:18:13] How did that historic accomplishment happen? [00:18:16] I mean, Charlie, it happened, and you know this because you live this at Turning Point USA. [00:18:21] It's sheer grit and vision, determination, grit, and vision. [00:18:26] Because if we see what's possible, and it is possible, it's possible to end abortion in this country. [00:18:31] It is. [00:18:32] It's possible to change the culture. [00:18:33] It's possible to restore Judeo-Christian values. [00:18:37] If we believe this and then we fight with determination to accomplish it, great things can happen. [00:18:43] So that was the lesson of Roe v. Wade being overruled. [00:18:46] Many decades of work went into that. [00:18:48] Live Action had our part to play, but many other organizations and individuals. [00:18:52] And here we are today. [00:18:53] And now we have endless opportunities in front of us. [00:18:57] The question is now, what will we do with the opportunity we have been handed with the fall of Roe v. Wade? [00:19:04] Will we sit and rest on our laurels? [00:19:06] Will we just grow complacent? [00:19:08] Or will we double down and say, okay, we are within reach of ending abortion. [00:19:12] Let's get this done. [00:19:13] And that's what Live Action is single-mindedly focused on at this time. [00:19:17] The left went all in on judicial activism with the war in court and the burger court. [00:19:24] We saw the power of what the courts could do, and it just took us by surprise. [00:19:27] We got some terrible decisions. [00:19:29] And then we saw Planned Parenthood v. Casey in the early 90s, and conservatives adjusted. [00:19:34] We're late to the game, but once we get into the game, we usually win. [00:19:38] This is what the lesson is. [00:19:39] And once we saw Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which was Anthony Kennedy's ridiculous, meandering, barely coherent psycho babble about you could have your own truth and this whole nonsense, all of a sudden the conservative movement said, that's it. [00:19:52] We have to start to go into law schools. [00:19:54] We have to start to train young lawyers to become clerks and eventually judges. [00:19:59] We have to prioritize judges as a political issue. [00:20:04] And that's kind of wonky and esoteric and abstract, but it actually wasn't in 2016. [00:20:08] One of the most powerful parts that Donald Trump used to persuade skeptical voters against him was like, hey, here's my Supreme Court justices. [00:20:15] And yes, so Lila, talk about the multiple decades of activism. [00:20:18] You've been doing this for a while. [00:20:19] You started in the pro-life movement very young. [00:20:22] Talk about the little work of the pregnancy crisis center to the grandma that gives $5 a month to the people that pray and fast for their nation for this to happen. [00:20:32] This did not happen overnight. [00:20:34] What happened a year ago was multiple decades of faith, belief, and as you say, grit. [00:20:40] Tell us more. [00:20:41] Yes. [00:20:42] Well, first off, we have to give credit where credit's due with regard to the amazing judicial appointments, the Supreme Justices that we got under President Trump, and no small part due to the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo working hard to help have a good bench to pick from. [00:20:58] I mean, the fact that we had Amy Coney Barrett to choose from and President Trump has Amy Coney Barrett to choose from was because of the long, painstaking work of the Federalist Society and other organizations, Alliance Defending Freedom, others. [00:21:10] So there's that side. [00:21:11] The legal side is very real and very important. [00:21:13] But there's something else happening. [00:21:14] And that's what you just referenced, Charlie, that before Roe was overturned, there were decades of cultural renewal happening and a movement building that was demanding a change on the Supreme Court and demanding the overruling of Roe and beyond that, demanding complete legal protection for the pre-born child. [00:21:36] And there's three main parts I want to reference here or mention here. [00:21:38] Number one, you mentioned them, the pregnancy resource center movement. [00:21:42] There are now thousands, over 4,000 pregnancy resource centers in this country. [00:21:47] They outnumber abortion clinics vastly. [00:21:50] And these pregnancy centers have been established since the 70s and even some before. [00:21:55] And they are done every day. [00:21:56] The hard work is done in small communities by everyday folks, you know, a lot of grandparents, parents who are involved in serving women and families, providing free support, pregnancy resources, prenatal exams, diapers, wipes, parenting classes, job placement, anything you can imagine to help young families choose life instead of choosing abortion. [00:22:17] They're not tax funded. [00:22:18] They are supported by everyday Americans and there are thousands of them. [00:22:21] And they are the hidden heroes of our movement. [00:22:24] So it's the service side of the movement, the care side of the movement. [00:22:26] Then there's the educational work and that's Live Action. [00:22:29] That's other organizations that are out there every day. [00:22:32] I turned point USA is doing this on social media, on college campuses, fighting to change hearts and minds. [00:22:38] Because the reality is if we lose the next generation, it's game over. [00:22:41] It doesn't matter that Roe is overruled. [00:22:42] It doesn't matter that we've made any progress because we've lost the culture. [00:22:47] And the reality is the culture is waiting to be won. [00:22:50] It really is. [00:22:50] People's minds are not made up, lockset on abortion. [00:22:54] They are open to hearing the truth if they'll hear it, but they're being brainwashed. [00:22:58] You know, decades of indoctrination from our public school system, our media. [00:23:01] So the solution is education by becoming the media, becoming independent media sources, Live Action News, other groups out there, you know, Daily Wire, amazing organizations that have sprung up in the last few decades. [00:23:12] And then obviously challenging the lies and the indoctrination on school campuses. [00:23:17] And then the last piece of it is politics. [00:23:19] It's galvanizing and activating everyday Americans. [00:23:23] Live Action's list is about a million strong of people that are activating in political ways. [00:23:28] So, you know, calling for us to defund Planned Parenthood, defund the abortion industry. [00:23:33] Planned Parenthood lost their first taxpayer dollars, Charlie, about a decade ago. [00:23:37] Before that, no one dared touch their funding. [00:23:39] It was taboo by Republicans and Democrats. [00:23:42] Anybody who dared to challenge Planned Parenthood was seen as you're against women, you're against families. [00:23:47] That's changed in the last decade because of investigative journalism, Live Action, David DeLeiden, other groups. [00:23:52] And now there's a political lobby to say we want to shut down Planned Parenthood and a political lobby, many of them young activists, millennials, Gen Zers, who are saying, We want complete legal protection. [00:24:04] And these are the people that are going to vote into office strong candidates. [00:24:07] They're going to demand strong pro-life legislation. [00:24:10] And guess what, Charlie? [00:24:11] In just the last year, we saw unprecedented pro-life legislation being proposed, over 360 pro-life bills at the state level. [00:24:21] And in the last few years, we've seen heartbeat laws, we've seen complete abortion bans. [00:24:24] Texas has a complete abortion ban now. [00:24:26] It's amazing. [00:24:27] It's amazing and exciting. [00:24:29] And it's because of all of this momentum that's been created through service, through education, and through political activation. [00:24:36] And we have to think big and we have to cast a vision without the vision without a vision people perish. [00:24:41] So, Lila, give me now a sense. [00:24:43] One year later, are you happy with how we've reacted to the reversal of Roe? [00:24:49] Do you think that there's been some sheepishness from people on the center right? [00:24:53] Do you think that people are running to the hills too much? [00:24:55] Give me a scorecard. [00:24:57] Roe versus Wade repealed Dobbs' decision one year later. [00:25:02] Lila, healthy, unhealthy, fearful, courageous. [00:25:05] Where are we? [00:25:07] It's a great question, Charlie. [00:25:09] And I'm going to split up my answer actually based on the care side, the education side, and the politics side. [00:25:14] And I'll start with the bad news first, because there is some bad news. [00:25:18] When Roe v. Wade fell, the pro-life movement, many of us, especially in the education and the care side, working with students, working with pregnancy centers, was ready to go. [00:25:29] It's like, send us your women. [00:25:31] We're here to care for you. [00:25:32] We're fighting the good fight to educate more people and combating the misinformation coming from the pro-abortion side. [00:25:37] There's been an avalanche of misinformation. [00:25:39] But in politics, we did fumble the ball. [00:25:43] And what that looked like post-Roe v. Wade last summer was that a lot of leaders, quite frankly, they should have been leaders, political leaders, politicians who were GOP, card-carrying Republicans who had been very pro-life, suddenly didn't want to talk about life anymore. [00:26:00] They were scared to talk about it. [00:26:02] The left reacted so vehemently to the Roe v. Wade overruling to Dobbsy Jackson that they basically a lot of Republicans ran scared. [00:26:10] And so you had the midterm election. [00:26:12] And, you know, there was a narrative formed by media that said, well, the Republicans got crushed in the midterm because of abortion, because there was a backlash to the Roe decision. [00:26:21] No, that's not actually what happened. [00:26:23] What happened, Charlie, is we were outspent over 30 to one. [00:26:27] Every 30 pro-abortion dollars in the midterms was only matched by one pro-life dollar. [00:26:32] And that was the decision of candidates and the RNC who decided we're not going to invest in the pro-life message. [00:26:39] And then you had candidates who were not good candidates or who were scared of the pro-life issue and wouldn't even address it. [00:26:45] So what would happen is their opponent would say, you hate women. [00:26:48] You want to attack women's reproductive rights. [00:26:51] And the pro-life candidate would just change the topic. [00:26:53] Let's talk about the autonomy. [00:26:54] Let's talk about COVID. [00:26:55] No, you should talk about that women deserve care and support and mothers deserve that and children deserve life. [00:27:03] It's a fundamental constitutional human right. [00:27:05] And we're going to fight for the right for the least of these. [00:27:08] They should have done the winsome messaging that our movement's capable of, but they flinched. [00:27:13] They got scared. [00:27:13] And so what happened? [00:27:14] Surprise, surprise, they lost. [00:27:16] And then something else bad happened is when they lost, it became this negative feedback loop where they said, well, we lost because of the life issue. [00:27:22] No, you lost because you didn't even try. [00:27:24] You lost because you ran for the hills. [00:27:27] And so, the pro-abortion side, that's all anybody heard from because the pro-life side wasn't even competing because they were either not funded or they were just quiet. [00:27:34] I will say, though, Governor DeSantis won by a landslide. [00:27:38] I mean, he won in a purple slate by a purple state by a landslide, and he just passed the heartbeat law. [00:27:44] And his heartbeat law, banning abortion after six weeks, Charlie, has more support of more Democrats in Florida than not. [00:27:51] So, 54% of Democrats support the heartbeat law in Florida, and it's over 60% of Latino Democrats. [00:27:57] So, it's a winning issue. [00:27:58] Life is a winning issue if there's bold and strong leadership. [00:28:03] So, yeah. [00:28:04] Well, and my we got to take a break, Lila, but they have to be able to explain it. [00:28:09] I mean, I go to these, I laugh at these candidates. [00:28:11] Oh, I don't want to talk about abortion. [00:28:12] Lila, you do this too. [00:28:14] I go to UCSB University of California, Santa Barbara, which is like one of the most pro-abortion, like pro-free sex, licentiousness culture. [00:28:24] You just have to, you have to lay it out there. [00:28:25] And some of the most viral content we have, and it's good dialogue. [00:28:29] It's strong stuff. [00:28:30] I mean, Lil, you've done this at Berkeley. [00:28:31] I've done this at Berkeley. [00:28:32] I've done it at Stanford. [00:28:33] I've done it at you. [00:28:34] Have to stand for truth. [00:28:36] The truth is worth defending. [00:28:39] In fact, it was this most amazing thing. [00:28:41] We can get the clip. [00:28:42] I asked this young man, he's a nice enough kid. [00:28:46] And I said, How many abortions do you think there are every single year in the country? [00:28:50] He says 20,000 about, yeah, it's a million, right? [00:28:52] So, I mean, just by an order of magnitude, their politics are getting misinformed on the issue. [00:28:58] If you stay silent, you allow the enemy to define you, but it takes courage. [00:29:01] And also, you got to know what you're talking about, which is something Lila certainly does on this issue. [00:29:06] So, Lila, let's money is definitely an issue. [00:29:10] You know, we have to keep pressing on. [00:29:12] But do you see in the kind of grassroots of the pro-life movement, do you see renewed resolve? [00:29:19] Do you feel as if we have momentum, or do we kind of have to take a pause, recalibrate, and take more ground? [00:29:25] Where do you think we are that the pro-life movement is temperamentally and attitudinally at right now? [00:29:33] I think the movement, the grassroots movement, Charlie, is extremely fired up. [00:29:37] I mean, we're mega-fired up. [00:29:40] We just launched a new coalition movement called the New North Star. [00:29:45] Over two dozen pro-life groups, the leading pro-life groups and intellectuals, and they are calling for complete legal protection for the pre-born at the federal and state level, as promised by our 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. [00:29:58] The 14th Amendment promises equal protection under the law for all people, and that no state has the right to deprive them of their life without due process. [00:30:07] That's exactly what abortion does. [00:30:09] It deprives children of their lives without any due process. [00:30:11] Obviously, they're innocent. [00:30:13] And so, this coalition is the new focus of our movement because before it was focused on, okay, let's overrule Roe v. Wade. [00:30:20] Let's just get rid of Roe v. Wade. [00:30:22] It's so evil. [00:30:23] 1973 Supreme Court decision killed over 60 million children since Roe. [00:30:28] I mean, just horrific bloodshed since that unjust Supreme Court ruling. [00:30:32] Now it's gone. [00:30:33] So what's next? [00:30:34] And the movement's answer is this: now it's time to enshrine complete protection by law for our youngest Americans. [00:30:42] And that's already promised under the 14th Amendment. [00:30:44] We don't need a new constitutional amendment. [00:30:46] It's already there in the Constitution. [00:30:47] That right to life is guaranteed. [00:30:49] So what's the mandate? [00:30:50] The mandate is, and now the grassroots are calling for this. [00:30:53] If you are a politician and you're at the state level, it is your job, it is your duty, your responsibility to fight for complete protection for the child, not exceptions, not saying, well, some children don't deserve life or let's make this exception for the sick baby or the disabled baby. [00:31:09] It should be a complete legal protection for that child. [00:31:12] And so we're looking to raise up the next generation of lawmakers who have this vision, like our Texas lawmakers, who have passed complete abortion abolition in their state and every child's protected in Texas. [00:31:22] That is the future of the state level fight. [00:31:25] And then at the federal level, Charlie, we've got a presidential race coming up, as you know. [00:31:30] And so the next step for the movement, along with galvanizing people and educating people, what we're doing every day, is to demand from our political leadership bold leadership. [00:31:40] You know, this is the most important human rights issue of the day. [00:31:43] We need clear-eyed, visionary leaders who are going to fight, fight for human lives. [00:31:49] And that's what we're looking at the presidential field right now for candidates for 2024. [00:31:54] And there's some promising candidates. [00:31:55] There's some good options on the ballot to explore. [00:31:59] And the call to them is don't just say this is a state's issue. [00:32:03] Yes, the states are going to be fighting for this. [00:32:04] But the federal government has a lot of work that they can do. [00:32:08] They can ban the abortion drug. [00:32:09] The Food and Drug Administration, part of the executive branch, can ban that abortion drug that's killing over 50% of the 2,500 babies every day. [00:32:17] You know, over 1,200 babies are killed every day by the abortion drug. [00:32:21] That can be banned by the FDA. === Ban Abortion Drug at Federal Level (02:13) === [00:32:22] You can defund Planned Parenthood. [00:32:24] You can make a resolution from the executive branch saying we are calling on Congress to take action. [00:32:31] There's a lot that can be done. [00:32:32] So the focus of the movement is, yes, education and service, like we were talking about earlier, Charlie, serving women, educating people, but it's also that complete, that new North Star, complete protection for the child, the banning of abortion for all children to be protected as promised by the 14th Amendment. [00:32:50] Lila Rose, everybody, thank you so much, Lila, and congratulations on your role in helping get Roe versus Wade overturned. [00:32:56] Lila, thank you so much. [00:32:58] Thank you, Charlie, for all you do and for all the support. [00:33:01] Thank you. [00:33:01] Email us freedom at charliekirk.com. [00:33:03] Look, the easy way would be to go to these campuses and just say, okay, you know, abortion is fine. [00:33:09] Let's have low taxes. [00:33:10] But you got to lean into the tough arguments. [00:33:11] You have to lean into the ones that get people engaged. [00:33:16] I got to tell you, when we go to these campuses, we're winning hearts and minds over. [00:33:20] We are. [00:33:20] We are able to have dialogue and discourse in a very, very powerful way. [00:33:27] But I want to just close on this. [00:33:28] I mentioned this a couple of times. [00:33:29] I think it's really important. [00:33:32] What is the next moonshot? [00:33:34] What is the next North Star? [00:33:37] What is the next big thing that we are told is impossible? [00:33:41] What is the next massive accomplishment that we want to achieve, that we are being told will never happen? [00:33:48] I was told that will never happen. [00:33:50] Stop talking about Roe versus Wade. [00:33:51] What is the next big thing? [00:33:53] We need to think bigger as a movement. [00:33:57] Because 10 years ago, it was not even close to being something that was entertained. [00:34:04] It was always Republicans. [00:34:05] Well, Roe versus Wade is a law of land. [00:34:06] First of all, it's not law of land. [00:34:07] It wasn't passed by Congress, interpretation by the Supreme Court. [00:34:10] But we have to think bigger as a conservative movement, planned for the longer horizon. [00:34:15] And the activists who delivered the reversal of Roe versus Wade, we have a lot to learn from them. [00:34:20] Thanks so much for listening, everybody. [00:34:21] Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. [00:34:26] Thanks so much for listening. [00:34:28] God bless. [00:34:31] For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.