The Charlie Kirk Show - 6 Flaws in the Trump Indictment and Dodgers Celebrate Hate with Will Scharf and Sen. Marco Rubio
Aired: 2023-06-16
Duration: 31:01


=== Political Timing of Indictment (04:53) ===

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[00:00:01]  Will Sharf joins us, who is a former assistant U.S. Attorney.
[00:00:06]  And he walks us through the problems at Jack Smith's case.
[00:00:10]  And then we have Marco Rubio talk about the decades of decadence and also the nonsense happening at the Los Angeles Dodgers.
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[00:01:34]  There was a very viral Twitter thread done by someone I've known for quite a long time, very smart person, Will Scharf, about Donald Trump's indictment.
[00:01:44]  He's making arguments that nobody else is making.
[00:01:48]  It's by Will Scharf, who's also running for Attorney General of Missouri.
[00:01:52]  And it's six reasons DOJ's Get Trump Documents case is seriously flawed.
[00:01:58]  I had many people send me this Twitter thread.
[00:02:01]  It significantly challenged the Uniparty zeitgeist written by someone who knows what he's talking about.
[00:02:08]  Will, welcome to the program.
[00:02:09]  Great to be with you, Charlie.
[00:02:10]  Thanks so much for having me.
[00:02:11]  Of course.
[00:02:12]  Will, let's go through the six pieces.
[00:02:14]  You take it at your own choosing of which ones you want to highlight first.
[00:02:18]  The floor is yours.
[00:02:20]  Sure.
[00:02:21]  So I think it's really important to note: DOJ wants, the special counsel's office wants you to think that this case is very simple.
[00:02:31]  They want you to think that because documents with classified markings were found at Mar-a-Lago, that means President Trump is going to end up going to prison.
[00:02:40]  It's not that simple.
[00:02:42]  What we're dealing with here is the interplay between two complicated statutes.
[00:02:47]  One is the Espionage Act, the other is the Presidential Records Act.
[00:02:51]  I get into more detail on this on my Twitter thread, and it's now been republished in Federalist and some other places.
[00:02:59]  But the key is going to end up being President Trump's intent.
[00:03:04]  What did he know?
[00:03:05]  What was he intending?
[00:03:07]  What documents did he designate as personal records versus presidential records under the Presidential Records Act?
[00:03:15]  The Special Counsel's Office has a very, very difficult task ahead of it in terms of proving President Trump's willfulness in the knowledge of in the language of the statute.
[00:03:26]  Yeah, and there's another angle here that you say, the timing.
[00:03:31]  Will.
[00:03:31]  Why is the timing important?
[00:03:33]  So, you know, it's been long-standing Department of Justice policy that you don't bring an indictment or commit any overt investigative act during the pendency of an election in the days running up to an election.
[00:03:47]  And the reason for that is that no prosecutorial decision should ever seem to be politically motivated or based on political timing.
[00:03:56]  What the special counsel's office has done here is indicted the president, President Trump, the key opponent of ultimately the special counsel's boss, Joe Biden.
[00:04:08]  He's indicted him during this presidential campaign.
[00:04:11]  The timing is highly suspect.
[00:04:13]  Why didn't they wait till after the election?
[00:04:16]  There's no statute of limitations issue.
[00:04:18]  There's no reason why they couldn't have announced the results of their investigation and then waited for the election to be over.
[00:04:25]  It certainly seems to me and a lot of others like that the political timing was the reason here, that that's why they brought this when they did.
[00:04:34]  And that's just really suspect.
[00:04:36]  That's not how these sorts of things are supposed to work.
[00:04:39]  You couple that with Jack Smith's history, some of his previous prosecutions that have been challenged or overturned, like the prosecution of Republican Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, which the Supreme Court overturned unanimously.

=== Espionage Act Interplay Explained (07:08) ===

[00:04:54]  That was one of Jack Smith's top hits before this.
[00:04:57]  This whole thing, to me, just reeks of politics.
[00:05:00]  And in this country, under the rule of law, no prosecution should be a political prosecution the way that we're seeing here.
[00:05:08]  Yeah, I'll tell you, it is political.
[00:05:11]  And I want to explore this after the break, Will.
[00:05:13]  Will's also running for Attorney General of Missouri.
[00:05:15]  He would do a great job there.
[00:05:16]  I want to talk about Project 65, but you mentioned an important thing, intent, right?
[00:05:21]  They're going to have to prove intent, which Operation Mockingbird's CIA Morning Joe, they're already trying to say that the intent was Donald Trump trying to potentially sell these documents.
[00:05:33]  I have the most simple, honest, and truthful explanation as to why Donald Trump kept these documents.
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[00:06:52]  There's all this ridiculous speculation out there.
[00:06:54]  Why did Trump have all these documents?
[00:06:56]  Why is he so attached to documents?
[00:06:59]  And someone emailed us, Charlie, had these documents so he could get back at the deep state.
[00:07:02]  Okay, well, that could be true.
[00:07:04]  I don't think that's the explanation.
[00:07:05]  It's actually really simple.
[00:07:07]  Let's just play Cut 92.
[00:07:08]  They're trying to trial balloon the intent here.
[00:07:10]  PlayCut 92.
[00:07:11]  Former White House aides tell the New York Times Trump was unusually attached to those boxes and their contents throughout his presidency and after leaving office.
[00:07:23]  Are you saying he was unusually attached?
[00:07:27]  Unusually attached to the boxes and their contents.
[00:07:30]  So many people get unusually attached to other human beings.
[00:07:34]  Yes.
[00:07:34]  You know, faith or what.
[00:07:37]  But he's unusually attached to the presentation.
[00:07:39]  He loved these boxes.
[00:07:40]  He loved them.
[00:07:41]  And he was obsessed with them.
[00:07:43]  All right.
[00:07:44]  This is so simple.
[00:07:46]  Anyone who spent time around Donald Trump in his Trump Tower office in Mar-a-Lago or the White House knows that Donald Trump loves memorabilia.
[00:07:56]  He loves it.
[00:07:58]  Just a picture of his Trump Tower office shows you everything, whether it be mementos, things he signed, pictures with people.
[00:08:07]  That's his office in Trump Tower a couple years ago.
[00:08:10]  This is not some sort of overly convoluted international conspiracy.
[00:08:13]  Donald Trump is going to sell these documents to Saudi Arabia.
[00:08:16]  He's kind of like how I am, just a little bit of a hoarder of stuff that you had.
[00:08:21]  I mean, it's just things you signed, memories.
[00:08:24]  This is not a complicated explanation, everybody.
[00:08:27]  And by the way, you want evidence of this?
[00:08:30]  He literally just published a book called Letters to Trump of letters that he has kept for 40 years.
[00:08:38]  And in the book is letters from Oprah, letters from the Queen.
[00:08:46]  And he was probably annoyed that people just kept trying to take this stuff away from him, and he felt possessive over it.
[00:08:52]  And there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:08:53]  Will Scharf continues with us.
[00:08:55]  Will, do they have to now prove the intent of this?
[00:08:58]  Is it a justifiable defense if Trump says, look, I like keeping things.
[00:09:02]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[00:09:04]  Well, it's even more important in the context of the Presidential Records Act, Charlie, because under the Presidential Records Act, the president has the right to define what are his personal records, which are the kind of memorabilia you're talking about, diaries, journals, all that sort of stuff.
[00:09:20]  And he has the right to maintain possession of that.
[00:09:22]  That's his stuff.
[00:09:24]  Then there are presidential records, which are going to be official documents memorializing decisions he made or things like that.
[00:09:31]  That stuff's supposed to go to NARA, to the National Archive.
[00:09:35]  But the president is the decider.
[00:09:37]  The president is the one who, under the law, gets to make the determination of what are personal records versus presidential records.
[00:09:45]  And that's at the core of this case.
[00:09:47]  It's the interplay between the statute he's charged under, the Espionage Act, and the Presidential Records Act.
[00:09:53]  If he was just keeping items of personal significance to him, arguably he had the right to maintain possession of those items.
[00:10:01]  And the special counsel is going to have a tough hill to climb to prove otherwise.
[00:10:06]  And that's really that's a key legal distinction that they're eliding over.
[00:10:11]  You've spent time around President Trump a lot more time around him than I have, but anyone who's been around him, anyone who's been in his offices or around even people who work for him knows that he likes to keep memorabilia.
[00:10:23]  He likes to keep stuff of personal importance to him.
[00:10:27]  And I think that's what these boxes were.
[00:10:29]  He just packaged up his stuff and he moved back to Mar-a-Lago and he took his stuff with him.
[00:10:34]  And that's at the heart of this case.
[00:10:37]  The idea that you would indict someone under charges under the Espionage Act for what happened here, it just doesn't pass the smell test.
[00:10:46]  You're exactly right.
[00:10:47]  He's a memorabilia guy.
[00:10:49]  He always has been.
[00:10:50]  So, for example, you know, when I visited him in the Oval Office a couple of times, he'd be like, oh, let me show you some of this.
[00:10:55]  And there's like a whole room full of stuff, right?
[00:10:58]  Like a sword that the king of Saudi Arabia gave him and like a flag that like the Sultan of Brunei gave him and like something from the Vatican.
[00:11:07]  It's just everybody is wired differently.
[00:11:10]  And not to mention, he also probably wanted it for his presidential library, of which other presidents wanted it.
[00:11:15]  And so he had the Presidential Records Act in there, but this whole narrative we have to push back aggressively, which is, oh, he wants, I mean, Michael Cohen, yeah, he wanted it so he could sell it to the Iranians or to the Saudis.
[00:11:28]  Like, no, really simple.
[00:11:30]  Actually, he just likes stuff.
[00:11:32]  And there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:11:34]  I can resonate with it.
[00:11:36]  We have a picture of him in his office.
[00:11:37]  It is, as far as the eye can see, pictures and firearms that were given to him and selfies and photographs and humanitarian awards and books and bumper stickers and copies of the Financial Times.
[00:11:53]  It's just who he is.
[00:11:54]  All right, Will, we're out of time.
[00:11:55]  Thanks so much.
[00:11:57]  Thanks for having me, Charlie.
[00:11:58]  Really appreciate it.
[00:11:59]  Thank you.

=== Personal Possessions and Prosecution (16:42) ===

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[00:13:37]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:13:39]  We will be joined by Senator Marco Rubio, who has a very interesting new book, which I think is important and very interesting, which is Decades of Decadence.
[00:13:51]  And it fits perfectly to kind of this new era that we're in where finally we're allowed to push back on neoliberalism.
[00:14:00]  Finally, we're able to say, you know, maybe it's not a good thing that we shut down all of our factories and that we have manufacturing jobs going overseas.
[00:14:10]  I mean, trade can make a nation wealthier, but is all trade the same?
[00:14:14]  Should all trade be without tariffs or some consideration for whether or not you're ruining your domestic industrial base when you don't even make vitamin C or critical pharmaceuticals in our own country?
[00:14:28]  Senator Rubio writes in his book, the assumption was perfectly summarized by Clinton when he said, quote, by joining the WTO, China is not simply agreeing to import more of our products, it is agreeing to import one of our democracy's most cherished values, economic freedom.
[00:14:43]  The results were predictable, Senator Rubio writes.
[00:14:46]  Instead of importing economic freedom, as Clinton predicted, what we exported was our industrial strength.
[00:14:50]  That's exactly right.
[00:14:52]  The result has been an economic, social, and geopolitical disaster.
[00:14:55]  Tens of thousands of American factories disappeared, and an estimated 3.7 million American manufacturing jobs went with them.
[00:15:01]  As a result, many of the communities that grew up around those factories became hollowed out.
[00:15:05]  Think of the Rust Belt.
[00:15:06]  For example, in small towns in the American Midwest that once supplied the world with steel, textiles, and tools and furniture industry on the Upper South, many of those towns saw sharp declines in population in the early years of the 21st century.
[00:15:21]  So there is a fair amount there.
[00:15:25]  I mean, look, you look, it's very interesting.
[00:15:27]  We blew out entire states and communities so consultants and managers can make their balance sheet look better at the end of the year.
[00:15:36]  There is a villain in this play that doesn't get as much attention as they really should, and that is McKinsey.
[00:15:44]  You may or may not have heard of McKinsey before.
[00:15:47]  What is McKinsey?
[00:15:48]  McKinsey is a global management consulting company founded in 1926.
[00:15:53]  Interestingly enough, once the employer of Pete Buttige, 38,000 employees headquartered in New York City, McKinsey are the smart guys.
[00:16:02]  Lots of Ivy League graduates.
[00:16:06]  They say they offer professional services to corporations, government, other organizations.
[00:16:10]  But McKinsey really became one of, but the leading driving force to shut down factories and to save pennies on a dollar to go make socks, go make a sweatshirt.
[00:16:24]  And McKinsey would come into a company and say, oh, no, no, no, no.
[00:16:29]  Instead of doing it in Youngston, Ohio, instead of doing it in Marshallton, Iowa, instead of doing it in Fayetteville, Arkansas, instead of doing it in Missoula, Montana, just close down that factory, send it to Wuhan, China.
[00:16:42]  We'll do all the work for you.
[00:16:44]  We'll arrange the arrival of your product from China to America.
[00:16:50]  Yeah, you got to sign some documents that basically says the Chinese Communist Party is able to intellectually steal all of your property, but it's worth it because you can now make a trinket, socks, underwear, textiles, phone, television for, let's just say, a sock.
[00:17:09]  You now can make it for three cents instead of six cents.
[00:17:13]  And you don't have to pay those pesky unions anymore.
[00:17:15]  And McKinsey was the one that drove this.
[00:17:19]  They were the designers.
[00:17:21]  They were the conductors of this entire retreat, this movement.
[00:17:28]  And yeah, Pete Buttigeg did work for them.
[00:17:30]  And now we have with us Senator Marco Rubio.
[00:17:33]  Senator, thank you for making time for us and welcome to the program.
[00:17:35]  Hey, thanks for having me on.
[00:17:36]  I appreciate it.
[00:17:37]  So, Senator, your book is Decades of Decadence.
[00:17:39]  Tell us about your book.
[00:17:41]  Well, basically, the argument is at the end of the Cold War, our elites and both parties decided that the world was not going to need countries anymore.
[00:17:48]  So we didn't have to act in the national interest.
[00:17:50]  It didn't matter where the jobs were, where the factories were.
[00:17:53]  That all the institutions that have worked for 5,500 years, things like parenting, family, community, none of these things mattered.
[00:17:59]  We would all be consumers and investors in the global economy.
[00:18:02]  We would be citizens of the world.
[00:18:04]  And by the way, America wasn't worth saving anyway because it was evil and grotesque and systemically racist.
[00:18:10]  And they've carried out a 30-year attack.
[00:18:12]  We got away with it for a while because we were the only power in the world and we thought we could do whatever we wanted.
[00:18:16]  And now we're paying the price for it at every level.
[00:18:18]  Now we've had basically this virus of lunacy that they call social justice leave the lab of faculty clubs and is now spreading to every institution in society.
[00:18:30]  I mean, after 30 years of inculcating this, people with the graduate degrees and all the advanced degrees, these are now the CEOs and the senior executives in the media in corporate America, the senior bureaucracy in government.
[00:18:42]  They're all products of that system.
[00:18:44]  We've got hollowed out towns across this country where people were left behind and told to go learn how to code.
[00:18:49]  And so, you know, now we have families falling apart, communities falling apart, all the institutions that we used to share in common and hold us together.
[00:18:58]  And now we've got a war on family itself because we basically have an educational system that is obsessed with telling kids, don't listen to your parents, don't listen to what they teach you or tell you.
[00:19:08]  In fact, don't even tell them some stuff about yourself.
[00:19:12]  You know, we can help raise you.
[00:19:14]  Society is going to help raise you.
[00:19:15]  Or as Joe Biden says, he thinks my kids are his kids and they're not.
[00:19:20]  So, you know, we've got to get that corrected.
[00:19:22]  Obviously, China's not playing this game.
[00:19:24]  And that's the most, I think, troubling part.
[00:19:27]  Every decision China has made over the last 30 years have been to further the Chinese national interest, which I understand.
[00:19:34]  That's what countries do.
[00:19:35]  I think we're the only big country in the world who for 30 years has not made decisions on the basis of what's best for America.
[00:19:41]  We've made decisions on what's based for the global economy or what's based for the international order.
[00:19:46]  And we just can't do it anymore.
[00:19:48]  I mean, it was a bad idea to begin with, but now it's a destructive idea.
[00:19:51]  We better get it right.
[00:19:52]  We're running out of time.
[00:19:53]  We're the only major country that doesn't act on our own self-interest.
[00:19:57]  And when we even whisper trying to have policies that benefit the homeland, we immediately have to be accused by our own people that were racist and xenophobic.
[00:20:07]  It's bizarre and it's unsustainable.
[00:20:10]  So, Senator, the book is called Decades of Decadence.
[00:20:14]  Can you talk about elite capture, though, which is some of our elites are the ones that are not just designing it, but benefiting it.
[00:20:22]  Their profit model, their business model is a capital flow of turning their back on America and cozying up to the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:20:29]  We see this in the National Basketball Association and Wall Street.
[00:20:32]  We see this sometimes in Silicon Valley.
[00:20:34]  It's a problem.
[00:20:36]  Build out the problem for a second, but then most importantly, what is the solution?
[00:20:39]  How do we create a policy agenda to hold our elites accountable for, quite honestly, betraying the American homeland?
[00:20:46]  Yeah.
[00:20:46]  So first, understand that people have been told for 30 years, country doesn't matter anymore.
[00:20:50]  It just doesn't really, there's not going to be anything as country.
[00:20:53]  It really is not significant.
[00:20:55]  And that America as a country actually wasn't all that great, that that was a myth.
[00:20:59]  And that, in fact, this country is built on a tradition of terrible things.
[00:21:03]  So that's what they've been telling people for a long time.
[00:21:05]  So now, put that together with the fact that we also said, look, jobs need to go wherever the labor is the cheapest.
[00:21:12]  Factories need to be wherever it costs the least to do.
[00:21:15]  And I think generally that's the right approach in the market.
[00:21:17]  The problem is that sometimes the best market outcome is bad for America.
[00:21:20]  Okay, it's cheaper to make medicine in China, but it doesn't mean we should, it's not good for America to depend on China for our medicine.
[00:21:27]  And so people, but people have made money off of this.
[00:21:29]  There is a group of people in this country.
[00:21:30]  That was the law.
[00:21:31]  The law allowed them to do it.
[00:21:32]  They made a lot of money.
[00:21:33]  The NBA makes a lot of money expanding to China.
[00:21:35]  And when you approach them and say, well, but that's not good for America.
[00:21:38]  What you're doing is not good for America.
[00:21:40]  What you're doing is not in our national interest.
[00:21:41]  Well, they don't have any concept of national interest.
[00:21:44]  They're inculcated in a system that argues that that's not the case.
[00:21:47]  Now, you combine with that with the fact that these institutions are also populated by people that from a cultural standpoint were raised up in this whole, you know, it is possible.
[00:21:58]  I guarantee you that in all these marketing departments of all these corporations, they don't know anyone who thinks it's a bad idea to do this pride stuff down your throat every day for an entire month.
[00:22:08]  Everybody thinks this is great.
[00:22:09]  And they don't know anybody who disagrees because they live in communities where those who disagree have to pretend that they agree or they'll be run out as well or fired or stigmatized, they're called or racist or xenophobia.
[00:22:19]  The border is another example.
[00:22:20]  When you don't believe that country matters anymore, then an effort to enforce your border is xenophobia.
[00:22:26]  Why wouldn't we let people just come here anytime they want?
[00:22:29]  We're all global citizens.
[00:22:30]  People should be allowed to live wherever they want.
[00:22:33]  And you enforce the laws because you don't like those people.
[00:22:38]  And so that, I think, has sort of now there is really no major institution in society.
[00:22:44]  And I add to that the church.
[00:22:45]  I mean, look at these denominations that are being split apart by some of this stuff.
[00:22:51]  It's become a lunacy.
[00:22:53]  It's like the French Revolution, you know, got out of control and they ran out of people who guillotine.
[00:22:57]  And eventually the guy that ran the guillotine got guillotined himself because they needed to have Maximia and Robespierre.
[00:23:02]  That's right.
[00:23:04]  They're now going after everybody here.
[00:23:06]  I saw something yesterday, okay?
[00:23:08]  A Muslim-majority community, I believe in Michigan, right?
[00:23:12]  Or Minnesota, I forget if it was Michigan or Minnesota, Muslim-majority community.
[00:23:15]  The entire city council is Muslim.
[00:23:17]  They basically said, look, we're not going to fly these pride flags over our city hall on government property.
[00:23:21]  You want to fly it in your home?
[00:23:22]  You can't.
[00:23:24]  You have people that don't even live in that town going there to pressure these people and attack these people because there's no end in sight.
[00:23:30]  They will not stop.
[00:23:31]  There is nothing.
[00:23:32]  There is no one or nothing they will stop.
[00:23:34]  Just think about how we used to talk about these issues, if at all, 10 or 15 years ago, and what's happened now.
[00:23:39]  Look at Joe Biden.
[00:23:41]  Joe Biden doesn't even know what half this stuff is.
[00:23:44]  He's for it because his party's been completely captured by these radical social justice left-wing lunatics who have no concept or belief in country or government.
[00:23:54]  People ask me, you think he's going to be the candidate?
[00:23:56]  I think he's their perfect candidate because he's going to do whatever they tell him or if even knows what's going on.
[00:24:01]  And if something were to happen to him, they get Kamala Harris, which actually believes in all this stuff, but can never be elected on her own.
[00:24:07]  Oh, that's right.
[00:24:08]  I hope she's a candidate.
[00:24:09]  I think we would almost assuredly win.
[00:24:10]  Has the Republican Party changed in your time in the Senate on these issues?
[00:24:17]  I think the electorate's changed.
[00:24:18]  There's still, I think, a pretty big disconnect between the Republican office holder.
[00:24:24]  Now, I do think we've got good people coming in.
[00:24:25]  You talk about Eric Schmidt, who's got elected, and you talk about JD Vance, and you talk about Josh Hawley.
[00:24:33]  And obviously, people are very solid on a lot of issues, like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz.
[00:24:36]  So I do think that as the years go on, we're going to get more and more people in the Senate that sort of view this thing a little bit differently.
[00:24:43]  And it's probably hard.
[00:24:44]  Look, listen, I didn't come from the school of thought 20, 15 years ago.
[00:24:48]  I was raised in the late 20th century, early 21st century Republicanism.
[00:24:52]  But you start to see these things and you start to realize, hey, the world is changing, the country's changing.
[00:24:57]  Then you ask why.
[00:24:58]  And when you figure out why, it forces you to re-examine a lot of the ways you view these things and understand that we've got to provide answers to people.
[00:25:05]  I actually think there's a realignment happening in American politics today that's fascinating.
[00:25:09]  And that is people that work for a living, who care about common sense and tradition and our culture as Americans, irrespective of what differences of opinion they might have on some other issues, are going to increasingly band together.
[00:25:21]  And we need to give them options on the political front.
[00:25:23]  That's well said.
[00:25:24]  I personally used to be blindly neoliberal.
[00:25:26]  And then I woke up and realized the country's becoming poorer and the Chinese are taking over the world.
[00:25:33]  Senator, tonight there is a lot of drama around the Los Angeles Dodgers who are celebrating by all public reports, it seems, this hate group called the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.
[00:25:49]  Not a joke.
[00:25:50]  You wanted to run an advertisement trying to expose them.
[00:25:55]  I do want to just remind our audience how disgusting this organization is and play a piece of tape.
[00:26:00]  And then I'll allow you to dive into it.
[00:26:03]  And this is, where's our tape here, guys?
[00:26:06]  Here it is.
[00:26:07]  Okay, let's play Cut 103 of one of the members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, play cut 103.
[00:26:14]  I'm mocking.
[00:26:15]  I'm using satire.
[00:26:16]  You're absolutely mocking when you put Jesus on a cross and you pull dance on.
[00:26:19]  Like our bullies, you are putting words in my mouth.
[00:26:21]  And I really don't know.
[00:26:22]  Everybody's seen it.
[00:26:23]  Everybody has seen it.
[00:26:24]  Yes, everyone has seen the satire that we do.
[00:26:26]  And then they describe it in these terms that make them, oh, I'm being aware of that.
[00:26:30]  I am telling you, as a Christian.
[00:26:33]  As a Christian, that is extremely, extremely offensive.
[00:26:36]  When I see my God on the cross, it's mocked.
[00:26:39]  That's offensive.
[00:26:40]  You're using your God to make me look sad, to make me look foolish, to beat me up.
[00:26:45]  Why can't you just say, yeah, that was wrong?
[00:26:47]  You could just say, yeah, that was not wrong to heal people who were beaten and shot for being gay and trans.
[00:26:53]  How dare you, madam?
[00:26:54]  How dare you shame us?
[00:26:56]  How dare you shame us in our own pride festival, madam.
[00:27:00]  So, Senator Rubio, you were trying to run an ad, but it seems like it's rejected by a station.
[00:27:04]  Help me understand Senator Rubio.
[00:27:06]  Yeah, first of all, look, this is not even an anti-pride as Dodgers, you know, whatever.
[00:27:09]  We were going to write letters about every anti-Pride event or every Pride event.
[00:27:13]  You know, we'd run out of paper.
[00:27:14]  It's not even that.
[00:27:16]  This is a group that LGBT groups have turned away from because they openly mock Catholicism and Christianity, doing some of the grotesque things that was described in that talk.
[00:27:25]  Not to mention things like using a condom in place of the Eucharist to mock the Catholic mass.
[00:27:30]  In essence, these guys wouldn't have the guts to do that against Islam, which has identical teachings in many ways to Christianity.
[00:27:36]  That's right.
[00:27:36]  They wouldn't do it to that.
[00:27:37]  They wouldn't do it to Orthodox Judaism, but they do it to Christianity in particular to Catholicism because they think they can get away with it.
[00:27:42]  Okay, so that's what they do.
[00:27:43]  That's fine.
[00:27:44]  They have a First Amendment right to be pigs.
[00:27:46]  But the problem is that the Dodgers decided we're going to honor them as heroes, honor them.
[00:27:51]  So you're no longer just like tolerating these guys doing this stuff because the law protects them and allows you to be an idiot.
[00:27:57]  But you have to actually now honor them.
[00:27:59]  as some heroic.
[00:28:00]  So what you're basically honoring is bigotry and hatred because that's what they're promoting, bigotry and hatred.
[00:28:04]  So I tried to run an ad that basically says that.
[00:28:07]  This is a hate group.
[00:28:08]  It's a hate group.
[00:28:09]  And the station that carries the Dodgers game wouldn't carry it.
[00:28:11]  It doesn't end there.
[00:28:12]  I mean, we tried to post, put an op-ed in the LA Times.
[00:28:15]  They didn't even answer us.
[00:28:16]  They wouldn't even respond to us, much less reject it.
[00:28:18]  So look, they don't want to talk about it.
[00:28:19]  It's indefensible, you know, and they actually disinvited them after I wrote the Dodgers, and then they changed their mind under withering pressure and brought them back.
[00:28:27]  But the broader point is it is no longer enough to just have differences.
[00:28:30]  It's no longer an appeal to tolerance.
[00:28:33]  Like we tolerate them, they tolerate us, differences of opinion, we move on.
[00:28:37]  It is the outright celebration of hatred and bigotry against Catholicism in specific, but Christianity in general.
[00:28:44]  It's allowed.

=== Celebrating Hatred Against Christianity (02:16) ===

[00:28:45]  You can mock Christianity.
[00:28:46]  You can do all these.
[00:28:47]  But in a hateful way, and not only are we going to tolerate that, we're going to celebrate it.
[00:28:51]  A major league baseball franchise, one of the largest cities in America, is openly celebrating it under withering pressure from the far left and the like.
[00:28:59]  And that's what we tried to do, and they wouldn't let us do it.
[00:29:04]  They're receiving an award.
[00:29:07]  This is not as if they're just invited amongst the other things, which would be bad.
[00:29:10]  They are being recognized.
[00:29:11]  Scott Weiner, who he's a real something.
[00:29:15]  Scott Weiner, I think it's labeled as 103.
[00:29:17]  You got the clip there, Ryan.
[00:29:18]  Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are a really important civic organization.
[00:29:22]  Let's play that clip.
[00:29:23]  The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are a really important civic organization.
[00:29:29]  They raise money for people who are in desperate need of support.
[00:29:35]  They're not in any way anti-Catholic.
[00:29:39]  So, Senator, I mean, that's a sitting lawmaker in California, but just closing thoughts here.
[00:29:43]  There is a counter prayer happening here.
[00:29:47]  Senator, final thoughts.
[00:29:49]  Yeah, look, ultimately, Christianity actually flourishes when it's oppressed.
[00:29:53]  You know, and when it gets comfortable, it actually doesn't grow.
[00:29:55]  And that's why Christianity, you know, some people would argue there are more.
[00:29:59]  If you look at 100 million underground Christians in China, there's probably more Christians practicing vibrant Christians in China right now than there are in America.
[00:30:07]  100 million.
[00:30:08]  So the Christian faith is one that grows and prospers under persecution.
[00:30:14]  I don't think it's something we welcome or want, and we have a constitutional system that's supposed to protect against it.
[00:30:18]  But we have to stand up and call for what it is.
[00:30:21]  We just do because this line, they will not stop.
[00:30:23]  This will not stop.
[00:30:24]  That's right.
[00:30:25]  And they openly mock, smear, and slander.
[00:30:28]  And Senator, I want to thank you for your willingness and courage on this.
[00:30:31]  It seems as if most Republicans are afraid to engage on this during our new quote-unquote pride month, and you deserve to be really commended for that.
[00:30:40]  Senator, thank you so much for your time.
[00:30:41]  Appreciate it.
[00:30:42]  And check out his book, Decades of Decadence.
[00:30:44]  Thanks for having me.
[00:30:48]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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