The Charlie Kirk Show - Title 42 Ends, Third World America Begins? with Vivek Ramaswamy
Aired: 2023-05-12
Duration: 35:09


=== Desperate Workers At The Border (11:45) ===

[00:00:00]  I'm Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News, and this is the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:03]  I'm in for Charlie one more day, and we have a big first hour where we give you the latest on the migrant surge over our border with the end of Title 42.
[00:00:11]  Before we speak to Vivek Ramaswamy, presidential candidate, biotech entrepreneur, and one of the more interesting Americans in the commentariate today.
[00:00:19]  He gives his border plan, but he also discusses a revolutionary idea of raising the voter age to 25.
[00:00:26]  Controversial, a bold move, and we get into it.
[00:00:30]  And then we get into a handful of other big news items.
[00:00:33]  Clip into your five-point harness because here we go.
[00:00:37]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:39]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
[00:00:41]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:44]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:48]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:49]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:50]  His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
[00:00:58]  We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
[00:01:07]  That's why we are here.
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[00:01:18]  Happy to be here on Not a Good Day in the American Republic, but I will tell you we've got a great show lined up for you, and we couldn't have more news if you tried.
[00:01:28]  We'll touch on what's going on over Twitter, Elon Musk, the new CEO, but we'll start with a bad update, an updated our border.
[00:01:37]  Title 42 is off.
[00:01:39]  It is, I wanted to open with this clip at 139, please, Alejandro Mayorkas.
[00:01:45]  What is the economic cost of your broken immigration system?
[00:01:50]  Since there are businesses around this country that are desperate for workers, there are desperate workers looking for jobs, desperate workers in foreign countries that are looking for jobs in the United States where they can earn money lawfully and send much-needed remittances back home.
[00:02:11]  What is the cost of a broken immigration system?
[00:02:14]  That is the question that I am asked, and that is the question that I pose to Congress because it is extraordinary.
[00:02:21]  Every once in a while, they give you something that so clearly reveals their thinking, you're almost grateful for the clarity.
[00:02:28]  His priorities are actually getting remittances.
[00:02:32]  If you're watching this show and you're not paid by Soros or Media Matters to watch it, you probably are in the camp that that is a problem if we are importing people specifically so they can take American dollars that we earn and that we create with our capitalist economy and send them back to wherever they're from, probably in a lot of cases, communist countries, particularly a lot of the current flood or Venezuelans in particular, one of the worst communist regimes in the world.
[00:02:59]  We actually have a reporter at Breitbart News, Caleb Caruso, who's down there and he covers it.
[00:03:03]  He has a column called My Socialist Nightmare that he writes for us at Breitbart News because he tracks Venezuela from Venezuela from us.
[00:03:10]  And Mayorka is actually prioritizing the remittances getting sent out of the U.S. Do you think those are taxed at the same rate you and I are taxed?
[00:03:18]  No, absolutely not.
[00:03:21]  He also is worried about the migrants, whether or not they're going to have enough jobs because there's not enough jobs in their own countries.
[00:03:28]  They want jobs here, but there are some jobs in their own countries.
[00:03:31]  And here there's limited jobs in some ways because we get the lowest unemployment rate in however long, historic low, 3.4%.
[00:03:38]  So all they're doing is coming here to compete with Americans to lower our wages.
[00:03:43]  And the businesses are desperate for workers.
[00:03:45]  It's not just that they're desperate for workers.
[00:03:47]  They're desperate for workers that they can pay less.
[00:03:50]  They don't want to pay workers what workers are worth in this country.
[00:03:53]  So how do they drive down the worth?
[00:03:55]  Import people via legal immigration, illegal immigration, all immigration.
[00:03:59]  It's all good.
[00:04:00]  And who bears the brunt of this?
[00:04:02]  American communities.
[00:04:04]  We're seeing numbers approaching a million people amassed at our border with Title 42 ending yesterday, trickling in.
[00:04:11]  Those of you who missed yesterday's show, I gave a pretty good rundown and where I explained kind of some of the details of where Title 42 comes from, comes from the CDC.
[00:04:19]  It's a public health authority.
[00:04:20]  It's been used to control disease flowing over our borders.
[00:04:24]  And it's been used to remove 3 million illegal aliens since mid-2020.
[00:04:28]  Now, this seems like a huge number, and it is, but it gets even bigger when you look at the context.
[00:04:34]  We've had over 2 million illegal aliens enter the country anyway, both of those years.
[00:04:39]  Both of those are records, 2022 beating 2021.
[00:04:43]  And as noted yesterday, all of that's five times more than what it was during the Trump era.
[00:04:48]  So now we're going to have this huge catch and release network, and we don't even know if we're going to be tracking everyone who's coming in.
[00:04:54]  A judge blocked earlier today or late last night a proposal by Joe Biden post-Title 42 to have a catch and release policy where border deputies would be asked to have a temporary restraining order.
[00:05:11]  A temporary restraining order was listed, which would have been a way to implement a way to allow people into the country without being tracked at all.
[00:05:23]  And so that's been removed for the time being.
[00:05:27]  But who knows how long it'll hold?
[00:05:28]  And who knows what the next move is going to be from Iorcus, who appears to be hell-bent on getting people in as quickly as humanly possible.
[00:05:36]  Now, what is our option here?
[00:05:39]  Unfortunately, with these people in charge, most of the options involve complaining about it, which is entirely unsatisfying.
[00:05:47]  If you look at some of the moves that are being made, two more busloads of more than 70 migrants from Texas have been dropped off at Kamala Harris's doorstep in Washington, D.C. Governor Abbott sends 17,000 to D.C., New York, Chicago, Philadelphia.
[00:06:02]  I like this move.
[00:06:03]  It gets attention.
[00:06:04]  And Kamala Harris is supposed to be in charge.
[00:06:06]  It's still never been to the border, even though it's her charge.
[00:06:10]  Have you noticed how Joe Biden seems to give Kamala the most impossible tasks?
[00:06:13]  Do you think it's by design?
[00:06:15]  I'm pretty sure that's by design.
[00:06:17]  She doesn't know the first thing about the border, and she's no interest in it because she's a California senator, California politician.
[00:06:23]  And that is a place that's been acculturated to want an open border.
[00:06:27]  So you're going to have to get court dates.
[00:06:30]  That's the rule that this judge has.
[00:06:32]  But when are the dates going to be?
[00:06:33]  We had Savannah Hernandez on the show yesterday.
[00:06:35]  She was saying she was talking to people who were getting their dates in 2027.
[00:06:39]  I read one report today that a decade, a decade could be the wait.
[00:06:43]  We don't have the people to process this.
[00:06:45]  And that's the point, because that is a de facto amnesty when you're letting people stay in the country for years and years and years.
[00:06:51]  The lines are absolutely over-the-top ridiculous.
[00:06:55]  If you've seen any of the photos, we've been posting them at Brightbrook.com.
[00:06:59]  I know Trinity Point USA's reporters have been showing some of them as well of people amassed, trying to come in.
[00:07:05]  And I'll tell you why they're all just lining up and not just rushing the border and making a run for it as they might have in yesterday.
[00:07:13]  It's because they think when they get processed, they're going to have a very good chance of staying in.
[00:07:17]  And even though our asylum rules are supposed to be relatively strict, they're not because people just get caught and released.
[00:07:27]  Migrants are traveling here to find jobs.
[00:07:30]  They're trying to get that money to send it back to their home countries.
[00:07:35]  Some of them are trying to put down roots, but most of them are just looking for a better economic opportunity.
[00:07:39]  That's the nature of things.
[00:07:41]  And who benefits from that?
[00:07:42]  It's the major corporations who can have cheap slave labor and these countries, like Venezuela, for example, who are going to be, Who are going to be benefiting from the remittances that are going to come back?
[00:07:59]  John Bender, for us at Breitbart News, has documented what he describes as three, what he describes as the goal is for most of these migrants is to claim asylum by be releasing the U.S. through the catch and release network while they await their hearings in the future.
[00:08:17]  Even CNN, as we heard in some of the clips, and we'll play some more today, are acknowledging that the surge is just not an issue that will affect U.S. cities near the southern border.
[00:08:29]  A Brownsville, Texas official says migrants are requesting transportation to get to Chicago and Dallas and Houston and Brooklyn and Denver and Miami.
[00:08:37]  So we'll be a ferry service.
[00:08:39]  We have just stunning footage at Breitbart News of the Texas military troopers turning back waves of migrants at a border rival river crossing.
[00:08:49]  Texas National Guardsmen, Department of Public Safety troopers setting up barbed wire.
[00:08:54]  But my question is, why was this done just now?
[00:08:56]  Why wasn't this done years ago?
[00:08:58]  Why wasn't it done?
[00:08:59]  Why weren't all these tactics done when people tried to obstruct the Trump wall as best as they can?
[00:09:06]  The Department of Homeland Security says we're relying on released migrants to come back, but they won't say how long they'll be doing these releases.
[00:09:15]  And they are relying on the credibility, on the honesty of people who are already willing to break our laws to come in to begin with.
[00:09:24]  It's interesting to track New York City and Eric Adams in particular because he's sort of an open book.
[00:09:28]  He sometimes spills his guts too easily.
[00:09:31]  And he's been whining about the migrants that are getting dropped off there.
[00:09:35]  Texas is set to bust more in, and all he's doing is whining about it.
[00:09:40]  And Texas is going to outpace his ability to remove the migrants with new migrants that are sent in.
[00:09:46]  And this is the bare minimum that Governor Abbott can do.
[00:09:49]  But as a country, we need to understand that we're in for it for the long haul here.
[00:09:54]  There is no clear answer until we force, by sheer willpower, Joe Biden and Alejandro Mayorka to have a change of heart and a change of mind, which is going to be tough to do.
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[00:10:58]  I just can't get over that Majorca's clip.
[00:11:01]  We need to send remittances back to our country is not grounds for asylum.
[00:11:05]  Do we understand that?
[00:11:06]  He's the one who should be understanding that more than anyone.
[00:11:10]  By the way, I'm fleeing crime is not even necessarily grounds for asylum also, because there's a lot of countries in the world that have a massive crime problem.
[00:11:17]  And if they have that, then are we just going to let everyone in?
[00:11:21]  Are we going to have 5 billion new Americans?
[00:11:24]  Maybe that's what he wants.
[00:11:25]  In fact, I'm going to go with that's exactly what he wants.
[00:11:28]  We'll continue to bring you updates throughout the day, but this is going to be a long, slow, nasty burn with Title 42 coming off.
[00:11:35]  And we can only, all we can do is raise awareness.
[00:11:40]  Big breaking news yesterday is that Elon Musk is engaged to be engaged.

=== Toxic Ads And Brand Safety (04:30) ===

[00:11:45]  She's got a promise ring on NBC Universal's Linda Yaccarino to be the next CEO of Twitter.
[00:11:54]  Musk said he's going to step back into like three other huge titles.
[00:11:57]  So I'm sure he'll maintain a lot of control.
[00:12:02]  I, of course, immediately tried to do a deep dive into who Linda Yaccarino is.
[00:12:07]  And I will give you the good news first, and there's two good items, and then we will get into the not so great news.
[00:12:13]  The first thing that we know is that she's incredibly good at what she does as a top advertising executive for MBC.
[00:12:22]  I think she's also with the Turner Network before and apparently did a lot of success there.
[00:12:26]  And she's been able to increase the advertising business at NBC Universal something to the tune of $100 billion, which is quite impressive.
[00:12:36]  And no doubt, someone who's incredibly capable of bringing some advertisement back onto the platform, which again comes up constantly.
[00:12:45]  Musk has got himself into a real catch-22 where he wants Twitter to be the ground zero for freedom of speech and he wants it to be a viable advertising business.
[00:12:54]  This is nearly impossible to do.
[00:12:56]  And if anyone can figure it out, Musk seems to be smart enough, but he's going to have a real uphill climb to do it.
[00:13:02]  It is, for anyone else, I would almost say that's impossible.
[00:13:04]  But for Musk, I would say it's nearly impossible.
[00:13:07]  So it makes sense to tap an advertising person.
[00:13:10]  And so that's number one.
[00:13:12]  And she seems quite accomplished.
[00:13:13]  Number two, she was on President Trump's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition.
[00:13:18]  So that's pretty cool.
[00:13:19]  So she's already been criticized online for following too many right-wingers.
[00:13:23]  Okay, that is the end of the good stuff.
[00:13:25]  The bad stuff is much longer.
[00:13:28]  She addressed the World Economic Forum in 2019, stressing the importance of diversity.
[00:13:33]  She chaired the WEF Task Force on the Future of Work.
[00:13:39]  The address itself, I went through it, is not too bad.
[00:13:42]  But again, the cozying up to the World Economic Forum is not great.
[00:13:47]  She took over this task force and the future of work.
[00:13:49]  She contributed to discussions and policies that were trying to shape the global employment landscape we have reporting on at Breitbart News right now.
[00:13:57]  So I'm concerned a bit about these, but as far as WEF ties, seems to be less offensive than most, but obviously not a great start there.
[00:14:08]  She was a chairman of the ad council, where she ran during that tenure, she ran ads promoting masking well after it was proved useless.
[00:14:16]  She also, ad council also pushed a lot of vaccine stuff.
[00:14:20]  It gets scarier.
[00:14:21]  She promoted lots of brand safety, which is this faux concern that corporate media has that pushes normative brands away from alternative media.
[00:14:31]  So you could have huge outlets with millions or tens of millions of viewers, readers, et cetera, places like Breitbart, places like Charlie's show, where maybe you don't get the exact same ads as you get a low-rated CNN.
[00:14:44]  And partially it's because of people like this who push this brand safety thing that you don't want to have certain advertising that could reach 20 times the audience so long as it's not the right audience.
[00:14:55]  So this is something that's a huge hoax and it's designed to keep down a conservative medium.
[00:15:00]  She also has her fingerprints on something called Concert, which I reported on in my book, Breaking the News, which was something called, which NBC and Vox were promoting online to create this new online ad venture.
[00:15:12]  And it was basically to have more left-wing corporate control over advertising.
[00:15:18]  During her time at NBC Universal, and I don't know how much to pin this on her, but during the time she was there, she did, NBC did hype boycotts of Breitbart and others.
[00:15:30]  And this is where the brand safety stuff started coming up following these groups of left-wing radicals online of a handful of people who were demanding places like Fox News, shows like Tucker's show, shows like Laura's show, not get advertising dollars.
[00:15:44]  So this is a disturbing thing is that her whole mindset is that this current era, there's too much toxic information, there's too much hate speech.
[00:15:53]  And of course, by that, we mean conservative speech that is potentially a threat to brands.
[00:15:58]  Now, where is her heart at or her mind at politically?
[00:16:01]  I don't know.
[00:16:01]  Maybe she's better than most.
[00:16:03]  But I'll tell you that these are very bad signs, the WEF connection and this brand safety stuff that makes me think this is not going to be a great hire for us, the MAGA crowd.

=== Why We Need Immigration Laws (15:31) ===

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[00:17:19]  The Constitution is first of all the best operating document for a free society known to mankind.
[00:17:25]  This is my number one reason why I'm on the side of not a national divorce, but a national revival, because once you have a national divorce, the Constitution itself is gone.
[00:17:35]  One of the things that we don't do a good enough job of in this country is teaching the next generation what the Constitution actually says.
[00:17:42]  You're right.
[00:17:42]  Okay.
[00:17:43]  So one of the things I favor, this is controversial to some people.
[00:17:47]  If you want to be 18 years old, graduate from high school and cast a ballot in this country at a young age, you better at least pass the civics portion of the text that immigrants have to pass to actually come to the country.
[00:18:01]  But providing a civic life, we have to make big.
[00:18:05]  We have to have a population and a culture in this country that's committed to it in the first place.
[00:18:09]  And if I have to choose between one or the other, the whole ballgame is the second one.
[00:18:13]  That's Vivek Ramaswamy, a friend of mine, and now a candidate for president of the United States.
[00:18:18]  He's also a biotech entrepreneur, author of a couple books, particularly Woke Inc. as a must-read.
[00:18:23]  Vivek, great to have you on.
[00:18:24]  We have so much to get to in a brief amount of time.
[00:18:26]  I know you're on a campaign boss, but I love this take so much.
[00:18:31]  It's so entertaining.
[00:18:32]  And this is why I love when people like you enter the race, super smart people who are unexpected.
[00:18:37]  We should be talking about this.
[00:18:39]  We have a lot of uninformed people who cast ballots.
[00:18:42]  You've actually got a solution.
[00:18:43]  Talk to us about the solution.
[00:18:44]  Yeah, I mean, the solution is a constitutional amendment that I'm unapologetically supporting.
[00:18:48]  Admittedly, taking a lot of heat in the last 24 hours for it, but if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen, as they say.
[00:18:53]  So I'm ready for it.
[00:18:54]  Yeah.
[00:18:55]  I think that I want to raise the voting age in this country from 18 to 25, but to still allow 18-year-olds to vote if they do one of two things.
[00:19:04]  Either they do six months of national service by way of either military service or first responder role, or else they actually pass the same civics test that an immigrant is required to pass in order to become a fully naturalized voting citizen of this country.
[00:19:21]  And if somebody wants to give me a reason why we shouldn't ask an 18-year-old to know something about the Constitution before they're voting at a young age, I'll stand by and wait.
[00:19:30]  I haven't heard a good reason yet.
[00:19:32]  Or in the alternative, why they shouldn't at least have a path to do service as an alternative to that test.
[00:19:36]  I'm yet to hear a good reason.
[00:19:38]  And people forget this, Alex, that the voting age was only ever reduced to 18 in 1971 in the context of the military draft.
[00:19:45]  So these were tied together.
[00:19:47]  And yet now people think it's an affront for me to say that there should be some civic duty amongst young Americans that we should proactively foster.
[00:19:55]  And yet that's what I think we're going to have to do.
[00:19:56]  And I've, you know, I'm going to be pretty unapologetic about not only supporting this, but supporting the revival of our national identity in this country without apologizing for it.
[00:20:06]  That's why I'm in this race, not only to make the points, but to actually deliver and govern for the next decade in a way that ushers in a national revival that I think we're hungry for.
[00:20:14]  But why are we afraid of this discussion?
[00:20:16]  This seems like a perfectly valid discussion.
[00:20:18]  Our school system's failing.
[00:20:19]  We're not teaching kids to have a national identity.
[00:20:21]  We're not teaching young people to even understand what the basic American values are.
[00:20:25]  They couldn't tell you what American values are.
[00:20:27]  They don't know who any of our founding fathers are.
[00:20:29]  And then we're going to go cast them.
[00:20:31]  We're going to trust them with casting votes to determine the future of the country.
[00:20:34]  Now, I'm not saying it's realistic.
[00:20:36]  I'm not saying it would be super popular.
[00:20:38]  But this is an important discussion because it reminds us of so many of those ancillary issues.
[00:20:44]  Why you need to bring it up, why this is a valid discussion is because we fall behind in all those ways and we're just ignoring it.
[00:20:51]  I mean, this is my style as a candidate too, Alex.
[00:20:54]  There's an old saying, it sort of goes something like this.
[00:20:56]  If you actually care about someone, you tell them the truth.
[00:21:00]  If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.
[00:21:03]  So I didn't poll test this.
[00:21:05]  It's just the truth, right?
[00:21:07]  And so I know that this is not going to be super popular amongst a lot of audiences, even amongst Republican audiences.
[00:21:14]  I don't particularly care about that because it's my job to persuade people why civic duty matters.
[00:21:20]  It's my job, if I'm elected the next president, to lead people to what is actually true rather than just feeding them more of what gives them a current dopamine hit, which is the way we govern today.
[00:21:30]  And so, you know, the pushback I get is this Jim Crow.
[00:21:33]  Okay, well, that's what I get from the left.
[00:21:34]  They say Jim Crow for everything.
[00:21:36]  I don't think they didn't know what Jim Crow was.
[00:21:37]  They just say the words at this point.
[00:21:39]  But, you know, this is the same, is it Jim Crow that you ask an immigrant to this country to pass a test?
[00:21:45]  Somebody who's been a taxpayer for 10 years, they can't vote.
[00:21:49]  You have to pass a civics test that tells you how to vote.
[00:21:51]  Civics test includes questions like, who are the three authors of the Federalist Papers?
[00:21:56]  John Jay, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton.
[00:21:59]  How many amendments are there in the Constitution?
[00:22:01]  27.
[00:22:02]  This is stuff that I think every American ought to know.
[00:22:05]  Every true American ought to know.
[00:22:07]  And so tell me why it's Jim Crow then to ask an 18-year-old to do that when, in fact, the voting age was only ever made 18 in 1971 in the context of military service.
[00:22:15]  And so some people aren't good at taking tests.
[00:22:17]  Fine, then serve the country for six months and learn something about the country that way, either through military or police service or a different first responder role for six months.
[00:22:26]  But that's what it's going to take, Alex, if we want to have a country, want to be some geographic space where a bunch of people with a bunch of different shades of melanin walk around and call themselves diverse.
[00:22:35]  That's not a country to me.
[00:22:36]  A country is a nation, especially in America, that's built on a set of ideals that unite us.
[00:22:42]  And I will not apologize for taking bold steps as the next president to revive the ideals that set this nation into motion 250 years ago.
[00:22:50]  I was just looking at that social media day showed me a funny comment.
[00:22:54]  Somebody's calling me Brown Mussolini for proposing this.
[00:22:56]  Yes.
[00:22:57]  I'll take it.
[00:22:58]  I don't really care.
[00:22:59]  This is what it means to be American, and I will not apologize for it.
[00:23:02]  Good for you for having a thick skin on this, because here's the thing.
[00:23:05]  If Viveka gets his way, and we're not saying you will, it's unlikely you will, but let's say you did.
[00:23:10]  All that does is encourage people to up their game.
[00:23:13]  Families, raise children who understand and can pass the civics test.
[00:23:16]  Schools, educate people so they can pass this test, or raise a type of people who go into service, which you have been an advocate for a national service requirement in your first book, Woke Inc., which I think is a really interesting, compelling idea.
[00:23:29]  Vivek, we could do this all day, but I want to get your take on the border.
[00:23:31]  You're running for president.
[00:23:32]  Let's say you win, or let's say you become vice president and the president puts you in charge of the border, which is the current situation.
[00:23:39]  What's your plan at the border right now with Title 42 off?
[00:23:42]  Well, look, I'm the next commander in chief.
[00:23:44]  I will use our military to secure our own border rather than somebody else's border and God knows where.
[00:23:50]  I think it is a proper use of the U.S. military to secure our southern border.
[00:23:54]  That is how you solve the border crisis.
[00:23:56]  Post the expiry of Title 42, we now have estimated 14,000 illegals per day, Alex.
[00:24:03]  Maybe I don't need to educate you on this.
[00:24:04]  You probably already know it, but per day, think about that number.
[00:24:08]  That is staggering, right?
[00:24:10]  I don't think that talking about building some wall is going to get that job done.
[00:24:14]  And I'm not opposed to that.
[00:24:16]  I think we just got to go further.
[00:24:17]  I think we actually have to use the military itself to secure the border.
[00:24:20]  And keep in mind, it's not just the illegal aliens who are crossing the border.
[00:24:24]  It is also the principal source through which fentanyl enters this country.
[00:24:29]  Think about fentanyl poisoning that's killing 200 Americans per day on American soil.
[00:24:36]  I'm on this bus in Iowa, and I'm kidding, not kidding you, Alex.
[00:24:38]  One of our stops coming up very soon is I'm meeting with parents who have lost their children, whose children died as a consequence of fentanyl poisoning.
[00:24:49]  I'm doing that in every state we travel to.
[00:24:51]  It has been the hardest part of this campaign are those stops we make.
[00:24:56]  I refuse to be a bystander who sits by and watches that happen as a passive hollowed out husk of a human sitting in the White House.
[00:25:03]  That's what we have there right now.
[00:25:04]  But I think right now we have an opportunity to address that.
[00:25:07]  It doesn't take a lot, but it takes some action standing up to the establishment in Washington, D.C. and both parties that say you can't use the military to secure the border.
[00:25:15]  No, I disagree.
[00:25:16]  You can.
[00:25:17]  And by the way, I'll also use them to annihilate the Mexican drug cartel south of our own border if that's what it comes to.
[00:25:22]  Vivek, let me ask you about the current situation now in terms of we've been playing clips of Alejandro Mayorkas, and his priorities are clearly foreigners in foreign countries, that people being able to send remittances, people being able to, foreigners being able to come here to work.
[00:25:40]  A system like this, who does it impact the most?
[00:25:43]  Who is most affected by this?
[00:25:46]  I'm sure your answer is going to be normal American communities.
[00:25:48]  These are the type of communities you're seeing.
[00:25:50]  But walk me through your thinking on this particular topic and how you're going to defend Americans from these policies.
[00:25:56]  I think we restore the rule of law, Alex.
[00:25:59]  I think it's just that simple.
[00:26:00]  It's not that complicated.
[00:26:03]  We have immigration laws for a reason.
[00:26:06]  We don't enforce them.
[00:26:07]  We need to enforce them because we're a nation built on the rule of law.
[00:26:11]  Now, I think that I'm open to a conversation about sensibly reforming what legal immigration looks like.
[00:26:19]  But right now, that's a sideshow compared to the real problem, which is a border security problem.
[00:26:25]  And Alex, not a lot of people are aware of this.
[00:26:28]  There's an increasing northern border security problem in the United States, even as it relates to fentanyl, too.
[00:26:33]  So I think we can't conflate a bunch of different things at once.
[00:26:38]  Border security is a top national security issue in this country.
[00:26:42]  It is a threat to American identity.
[00:26:44]  Part of the reason it's a threat to American identity is that we're a nation founded on the rule of law.
[00:26:48]  So your first act of entering this country, by definition, cannot and should not be a law-breaking one.
[00:26:53]  That's what I know I can address in the first six months of a presidency, and I will do it without apology.
[00:26:58]  And then you have a hard time calling me racist or xenophobic.
[00:27:01]  I'm the kid of immigrants who came to this country legally with all money.
[00:27:05]  You know, it'd be a weird, it'd be an odd pitch to call me a white supremacist or whatever it is.
[00:27:10]  Brown Mussolini is now at the resorting.
[00:27:13]  But this is basics.
[00:27:15]  And I think that's part of who we are as an American.
[00:27:17]  Let's turn our focus to the presidential race right now.
[00:27:20]  President Trump had a good night on CNN.
[00:27:23]  This is something that he went by, somebody that's in your playbook, which is trying to speak to people who conservatives are inclined not to speak to these days.
[00:27:31]  Vivek, you and I have been on the opposite side of this debate, and I'm kind of becoming a believer after watching you squeeze the lemon and get him removed from.
[00:27:39]  And now we see his replacement, Caitlin Collins, and Trump just completely made mincemeat out of that network.
[00:27:46]  What is your take?
[00:27:47]  What's happening here?
[00:27:48]  Is something changing?
[00:27:49]  Look, I think that that's why it's going to take an outsider.
[00:27:51]  I give Trump credit for going to CNN.
[00:27:53]  I do it all the time.
[00:27:54]  I'm going to go on CNN tomorrow morning, by the way.
[00:27:56]  They just called me.
[00:27:56]  I said, I'll do it.
[00:27:57]  Fine.
[00:27:57]  No problem.
[00:27:58]  Chuck Todd, meet the press.
[00:27:59]  I'll show up.
[00:28:00]  I believe in open debate.
[00:28:02]  I believe free speech is the way in our country.
[00:28:05]  I think the conservative movement, the Republican Party today, has the opportunity to be the party of free speech.
[00:28:09]  Think about that compared to Berkeley students decades ago.
[00:28:12]  The hippies were standing for free speech.
[00:28:14]  Well, now we are the new hippies.
[00:28:15]  We're the ones who stand for actual free speech and open debate in our country, but we've got to practice what we preach.
[00:28:20]  And Alex, one of the things I love about you is you're also receptive.
[00:28:23]  We as human beings have opinions, have firm convictions, but if we have an open heart, we also can change our mind.
[00:28:29]  You've changed my mind on some things.
[00:28:31]  I'm glad to hear that our discourse has had an impact in the other direction, too.
[00:28:34]  I think that we do our best when we show up on the other side's home turf and win.
[00:28:38]  I think there are other candidates in this race who have said they won't talk to NBC News because they're not nice to them, won't show up on a college campus unless the questions are pre-screened.
[00:28:46]  I don't think that's not a good look for us, but it's also just not good in substance.
[00:28:50]  We have to lead according to the values that we preach.
[00:28:53]  And so my rule in this campaign is I will talk to anyone.
[00:28:56]  Critics from the left, critics from anywhere else.
[00:28:59]  If you want to sit across the table from Xi Jinping, you shouldn't be afraid of sitting across the table from any American either.
[00:29:05]  That should be part of the vetting process to become president.
[00:29:08]  And so I'll tell you the truth, I was giving a speech in Iowa at the time that Trump was in his town hall.
[00:29:12]  We're here in a four-day bus tour.
[00:29:14]  I'm enjoying meeting people across this country.
[00:29:15]  So I didn't get to see how he did.
[00:29:16]  I heard he did pretty well.
[00:29:18]  But the best part about it is that we're actually having more cross-pollinated dialogue.
[00:29:23]  We're going to the other side's home turf and we're demonstrating that we actually mean what we say.
[00:29:28]  And I think the funny thing is it takes an outsider rather than a professional politician to do it.
[00:29:32]  I think that leaves me and President Trump in this race.
[00:29:35]  I think we're the two candidates that are going to matter very soon.
[00:29:38]  I'm going to go further than Trump ever did.
[00:29:39]  And I think that that's a big part of my case for the candidacy.
[00:29:42]  I'm the first millennial ever to run for U.S. president as a Republican.
[00:29:46]  I think we can go further if we do it based on first principles and moral authority, not just vengeance and grievance.
[00:29:53]  But I think that we need more of us, like Trump did, like I've been doing, to actually go on the other side and win.
[00:29:58]  Vivek Ramaswamy, Vivek2024.com.
[00:30:00]  If you want to keep up, Vivek, I know I'll talk to you again on my show or Charlie's, wherever we may cross paths again, but thanks so much.
[00:30:09]  The big topic today is immigration, illegal immigration.
[00:30:13]  We're looking at the Custom Border Protection Chief, Raul Ortiz, this week, saying that three agents were assaulted so far, 70,000 or so apprehensions, but also 15,780 gotaways.
[00:30:26]  So those are the people who they don't even really know where they're going.
[00:30:28]  And I always feel like we don't have a clear sense of what that number really is.
[00:30:33]  I don't think that that is, that number always feels approximate to me because if we don't know, if they haven't really even made contact with anyone, who'd just say that number isn't bigger?
[00:30:43]  And it would be bigger aside from one thing.
[00:30:45]  The thing is, is that the people have such a confidence level, there's such a high confidence level that they're going to get let in if they simply semi-abide by the rules, that it is a possibility that they're better off throwing themselves on the mercy of our current system.
[00:31:02]  Now, I find that to be, in a way, even more disturbing than if they were trying to sneak in.
[00:31:11]  The fact that they're not sneaking in is arguably worse, if you can picture that.
[00:31:15]  And I think you can.
[00:31:17]  Other data that we're getting, we're getting that we have seven firearms, five sex offenders, four gang members, two felons.
[00:31:25]  One subject had five warrants.
[00:31:28]  This is yet another reason why it is so imperative on us to have a secure border, because if any one of these individuals who had some sort of a criminal history, if they brought in anything that was illegal, anything that could do harm to Americans, even one case should be unacceptable.

=== Political Pressure Over Citizens (03:22) ===

[00:31:46]  And yet to hear the Barack Obama and Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton wing of the Democrat Party talk about it, that those people are a lower priority.
[00:31:58]  They're a lower priority than the American citizens who would ultimately get harmed by this.
[00:32:04]  This is what we need to impart to those people who are on the fence about this issue, who might be waking up, seeing their New York Times today, seeing whatever establishment news outlet, CNN, et cetera, where they get their news.
[00:32:16]  And for the first time, perhaps, they're starting to understand that this is a significant issue, that this is an issue that is unsustainable.
[00:32:25]  And it is not going to be enough simply to have a bleeding heart and to feel as though your emotions can drive you on this.
[00:32:34]  This is impractical for a country.
[00:32:36]  A country cannot continue if we continue to allow for a border to be open.
[00:32:42]  And the signal that is being broadcast by the U.S. government is that the border is open.
[00:32:47]  It is game on.
[00:32:48]  Please come here if you can.
[00:32:51]  It is so it is.
[00:32:54]  It is one of the things that is most disturbing to me, though, is how powerless I feel and how I think most conservatives feel.
[00:33:01]  The House passed a sweeping border bill that was to stop the invasion.
[00:33:05]  Remember when you couldn't even use the word invasion?
[00:33:07]  And now all of a sudden they can use it.
[00:33:09]  But what does the House do with this bill?
[00:33:11]  Good for them for passing it.
[00:33:12]  They have to get on record with this stuff.
[00:33:14]  But even though they've passed it, what does that mean?
[00:33:17]  It means essentially they're just on record.
[00:33:20]  That's it.
[00:33:21]  It doesn't mean that there's anything that they can do.
[00:33:23]  And so this is why elections matter.
[00:33:26]  The governor of Texas needs to do all he can.
[00:33:29]  It may even be time for some level of civil disobedience where we figure out a way to enforce certain things nonviolently, of course.
[00:33:39]  I'm all ears.
[00:33:40]  And if you have an idea, email me at alex at brightbert.com.
[00:33:43]  But this is such a significant thing.
[00:33:45]  I'm glad to see that there is some efforts that are taking place at our border from border agents, customs and border protection.
[00:33:55]  But will it be enough to stem this tide?
[00:33:57]  Of course not.
[00:33:57]  Of course it won't be.
[00:33:58]  And we've signed up for this thing and now we're going to have to eat.
[00:34:01]  We're now going to have to eat it.
[00:34:03]  One other issue, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg has reversed course and is now going to, it is now Daniel Penny, the guy who choked Jordan Neely, has been a turned himself over.
[00:34:16]  We don't know if the other two people who were involved who are both POCs, people of color, we don't know if they're going to be charged as well.
[00:34:23]  But this is a big reversal.
[00:34:24]  Alvin Bragg is a big clown spending his time going after Trump.
[00:34:27]  This is purely political pressure.
[00:34:29]  Jordan Neely, of course, was a threat.
[00:34:31]  He said he was going to kill a mother effer.
[00:34:33]  He had 40 arrests.
[00:34:35]  He clearly was a problem.
[00:34:37]  I'm not saying he necessarily needed to be choked to death.
[00:34:40]  A jury will figure that out, I guess, at this point.
[00:34:42]  But he might even be charged without something like that.
[00:34:44]  We don't know what's going to go on exactly, but we do know that this is another political persecution, prosecution coming to the New York District Attorney.
[00:34:52]  This is the fabric of our country that we're really playing with fire here.
[00:34:55]  When the judicial system becomes a way to implement Democrat politics, America becomes a much less safe place and a much less free place.
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