The Charlie Kirk Show - Why You Can’t Buy a House + A Conversation with Chinese Cultural Revolution Survivor Xi Van Fleet
Aired: 2023-04-21
Duration: 33:35


=== The American Dream Under Threat (02:02) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show.
[00:00:02]  Equity.
[00:00:04]  Equity, equity, equity.
[00:00:06]  It's a term that people have been saying for quite some time.
[00:00:10]  We've done very little about it.
[00:00:12]  And now it's going to impact whether or not you want to buy a home.
[00:00:15]  The people with bad credit are going to get rewarded and good credit will be crushed.
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[00:00:35]  Buckle up, everybody.
[00:00:36]  Here we go.
[00:00:37]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:38]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
[00:00:41]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:44]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:47]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:48]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:49]  His spirit, his love of this country.
[00:00:51]  He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
[00:00:58]  We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
[00:01:06]  That's why we are here.
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[00:01:18]  We're going to lead today with a story that should have been headline news.
[00:01:21]  It should have robust discussion that almost everybody ignored.
[00:01:25]  Admittedly, a friend of mine sent it to me yesterday.
[00:01:28]  I couldn't believe what I was reading.
[00:01:31]  The American dream involves owning a home.
[00:01:33]  You know, people ask me, they say, Charlie, how do we get young people to be conservative?
[00:01:38]  I say, do three things, get married, have kids, own property.
[00:01:41]  Owning property, not renting property, makes you more likely to conserve that property.
[00:01:45]  You're more aware of property taxes.
[00:01:47]  You're more invested in economic conditions.
[00:01:50]  When you rent, you're not as invested in community dynamics, in property taxes.
[00:01:55]  You are the recipient of those eventually, but you're also not building long-term value or equity in your home.

=== Punishing Delayed Gratification (14:06) ===

[00:02:02]  The entire tax code is written actually in a way to try to get, obviously, interest is deductible on your tax return.
[00:02:10]  The entire tax code is written as a way to try to incentivize home ownership.
[00:02:14]  And largely, that's been a good thing with some obvious hiccups for other reasons outside of the mortgage interest deduction in 2008 and 2009 with the entire collapse of the housing market, largely because of Fannie and Freddie and subsidizing people to go get loans that should not be getting loans.
[00:02:32]  You see, the lesson that we did not learn post-2008 is that Washington, D.C. flooded the market with cheap money.
[00:02:40]  And we had the Federal Housing Act that was incentivized, the Community Reinvestment Act that was incentivizing, giving out loans for two, three, four multiple homes.
[00:02:52]  And you had somebody that was cleaning homes that was able to own two or three homes.
[00:02:57]  It was unsustainable.
[00:02:58]  It fell apart and almost brought down the entire economy with it.
[00:03:01]  No money down, in fact, in some of these communities.
[00:03:05]  We should have a set of policies where people that save money and engage in one of the core principles of Western civilization get rewarded.
[00:03:16]  What makes the West the best?
[00:03:18]  College kids never wrestle with this question because they don't believe the West is best.
[00:03:23]  College kids never, they're taught that the West is colonialistic and misogynistic.
[00:03:27]  The West is evil.
[00:03:29]  There's a lot of things that make the West the best, but you could summarize one of the differentiators of the West versus Middle Eastern countries or even some Asian countries, delayed gratification.
[00:03:41]  I am going to sacrifice today so somebody else can succeed beyond me.
[00:03:46]  You can call it meritocracy as well.
[00:03:48]  This idea of delayed gratification is I'm not necessarily going to go max out my credit cards.
[00:03:53]  I'm not going to borrow money I do not have.
[00:03:56]  The greatest generation were historically some of the greatest in financial management, having good credit, and participating in delayed gratification, planning for the future.
[00:04:08]  Now, of course, our entire regime in Washington, D.C., does not believe anymore in delayed gratification.
[00:04:14]  They believe in cheap money and instant gratification.
[00:04:16]  They couldn't care less about the debts and the deficits.
[00:04:18]  This is both parties, by the way, that they are handing down to the next generation, trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars of new debt, nearly tripling the federal debt since 2010, tripling in 13 years.
[00:04:31]  Spending money we do not have to a generation that cannot yet vote.
[00:04:35]  So we've seen this pattern emerge where delayed gratification is no longer admirable.
[00:04:40]  Where those of you in this audience that say, you know what, we're not going to go on a vacation that we can't afford.
[00:04:45]  You know, we're not going to go out to eat at the local steakhouse.
[00:04:48]  We're not going to max out our credit cards.
[00:04:50]  We're actually going to pay off our credit cards.
[00:04:52]  We're going to try to build good credit.
[00:04:54]  This was always something that was considered to be common sense.
[00:04:58]  That we wanted to try to incentivize, that we want to try to reward.
[00:05:02]  That if you're going to spend money you do not have, you're going to get a lower credit score.
[00:05:06]  You're going to get a lower FICO score.
[00:05:08]  And you might not be able to buy the home of your dreams.
[00:05:11]  You might not be able to participate in home ownership.
[00:05:14]  So therefore, there was a check in a balance and an incentive to try to act responsibly when it comes to borrowing money.
[00:05:22]  Well, under the guise of equity, again, another piece of evidence to our hypothesis that is being proven true every single day, which is what happens on college campuses to not stay on college campuses, the guzzle of cheap money is only continuing.
[00:05:38]  As you know, mortgage rates have gone up significantly in the past year by a lot, thanks to the Federal Reserve needing to aggressively hike interest rates to contain inflation.
[00:05:46]  Higher interest rates obviously mean that if you're looking to buy a home and you're a young married couple and you take out a 30-year, $300,000 mortgage at a 3.5% interest rate, in this particular case, your monthly payment would be about $1,350 and the total cost of your mortgage over 30 years after all interest is paid would be $484,000.
[00:06:05]  Now, imagine that instead of 3.5%, the interest rate is 6.5%, which is about where it is right now.
[00:06:10]  Your monthly payment would actually be $1,900 a month.
[00:06:14]  And the final cost of your mortgage will be $682,000, nearly $200,000 more over 30 years.
[00:06:22]  So you might say, well, Charlie, this is all common sense.
[00:06:24]  Well, how does this impact me?
[00:06:26]  How does this impact us?
[00:06:28]  I don't understand.
[00:06:29]  Well, there's a new rule that's going to be instituted on May 1st around something called an LLPA, a loan-level price adjustment.
[00:06:38]  Under the guise of equity, pushing towards equity, Fannie and Freddie, which should have been disassembled after the 2008 financial collapse, the federal-backed mortgages are now going to make a new rule.
[00:06:50]  Congress didn't vote on this.
[00:06:52]  There wasn't a hearing on this.
[00:06:53]  This did not go through a reconciliation process.
[00:06:56]  This did not go through amendments or adjustments or House of Representatives or senators.
[00:07:00]  No, no, no.
[00:07:01]  These are unelected bureaucrats making a unilateral decision to punish you if you have good credit.
[00:07:06]  This right here is an all-out penalty, a walloping, if you have decided to engage in delayed gratification.
[00:07:14]  And those of you maybe in this audience that have made bad decisions, gone on vacations you can't afford, max out your credit cards to go to four seasons, going to steakhouses, and you have bad credit because you made bad decisions.
[00:07:24]  Well, here's where the new regime comes in.
[00:07:28]  Now, LLPAs are price adjustments to a loan reflecting how risky it is.
[00:07:31]  If you have good credit, traditionally you pay less, obviously.
[00:07:35]  You've proven you can do it.
[00:07:37]  If you have bad credit, well, then you're going to pay more because you got to prove to the bank, you got to prove to the lender that you're a good bet.
[00:07:44]  But no, no, no, no, because of equity, the whole game has changed.
[00:07:49]  This new rule says that if you have bad credit, you pay less.
[00:07:54]  And if you have good credit, you pay more.
[00:07:56]  You heard me right.
[00:07:58]  We are changing the game.
[00:08:00]  The moral fabric of the country is already basically gone.
[00:08:03]  But now this is just another reflection of the moral fabric being gone.
[00:08:07]  No longer are we a country where we want to say, good job, dutiful citizen, for saving money, not going out to eat every night, for going to the grocery store, for using coupons, for investing.
[00:08:20]  No, now we are going to punish you.
[00:08:23]  If you've made good financial decisions.
[00:08:25]  According to the Washington Times, which reported on this, quote, mortgage industry specialists say homeowners, home buyers, home buyers, homebuyers, with credit scores more than $680 will pay more than $40 a month, $480 a year.
[00:08:42]  Homebuyers who make down payments of 15 to 20% will now be socked with the largest fees.
[00:08:50]  According to Fannie May, these new fees reflect, quote, our effort to increase support for borrowers historically underserved by the housing finance market.
[00:09:02]  You mean people with bad credit?
[00:09:03]  You mean people that don't know financial management?
[00:09:06]  No, no, no.
[00:09:07]  This was one of the few good things that we had in our financial system.
[00:09:11]  If you do not know how to manage your finances, you're not a good bet.
[00:09:15]  You shouldn't be able to get into the housing market easier than someone that paid their bills, worked two jobs, and refused to go into debt, that didn't just pay the interest on a credit card.
[00:09:24]  In other words, this is all about equity.
[00:09:26]  The housing market, they say, is racist.
[00:09:29]  Now, they didn't outwardly say this, but this is the buried lead here.
[00:09:32]  Because people with good credit can get loans more easily with bad credit.
[00:09:36]  This has nothing to do with race.
[00:09:37]  If you're bad with finances, it should be harder than you.
[00:09:40]  You know how many people, how many of you in this audience, I bet, have worked your tail off for years to make sure you have good credit, sacrificing extra jobs, foregoing vacations.
[00:09:49]  You know what the government is telling you?
[00:09:50]  You know what the Biden regime is telling you?
[00:09:52]  You're a sucker.
[00:09:53]  You should have went on that extra vacation.
[00:09:55]  You should have maxed out your credit cards.
[00:09:56]  It doesn't matter.
[00:09:57]  Not only are we going to exempt you, not only are they saying that, well, we're going to make bad credit and good credit the same, it's even worse than that.
[00:10:05]  They're saying that if you have good credit, if you've done the right thing, if you have been prudent, if you have been responsible, you pay more.
[00:10:12]  And if you have been irresponsible and reckless and going out with the boys to Vegas on a trip you cannot afford, you get rewarded.
[00:10:21]  That's your government.
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[00:11:02]  One of our listeners emailed us, Charlie, we're on the fence whether or not to buy a home.
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[00:11:22]  So this is this website.
[00:11:23]  I'm on the fence whether or not we should hurry up and buy something.
[00:11:25]  I have an 800 credit score.
[00:11:27]  And that means I guess I have a huge down payment for the next house.
[00:11:30]  That is the money I made for selling my house last fall.
[00:11:33]  Are you trying to tell me this new rule makes it harder for me to buy a home than if I had a credit score of 400?
[00:11:39]  Yes, that is what I'm telling you.
[00:11:40]  That the new rules, those of you that have good credit, you are now going to be punished by your government.
[00:11:46]  You're going to pay more and you're going to have to suffer more because you made the right decision.
[00:11:52]  Now, before those of you that say, well, Charlie, don't poor people have worse credit, that's not necessarily true at all.
[00:11:59]  Having credit is totally dependent on your own personal decisions.
[00:12:05]  It's totally dependent on whether or not you actually want to live within your means.
[00:12:11]  And you remember one of the goals of the great reset: you're going to own nothing and you're going to be happy.
[00:12:16]  You're going to become a society of renters.
[00:12:18]  Good way to do it.
[00:12:20]  You see, if you're one of our older listeners, you probably heard from your kids or grandkids how expensive it is to buy a home.
[00:12:26]  Many of our younger listeners are emailing us and saying, Charlie, I have a high credit score.
[00:12:32]  What does this mean?
[00:12:32]  Too bad.
[00:12:33]  Means nothing.
[00:12:34]  That used to be actually the goal we would teach our kids: get a good credit score so then you could buy a home.
[00:12:40]  Not anymore.
[00:12:41]  It doesn't matter.
[00:12:42]  The government is trying to get rid of incentives that create good financial behavior.
[00:12:47]  This all fits into a pattern, though.
[00:12:49]  Biden's plan to forgive huge amounts of student loans, of course, doesn't make college cheaper.
[00:12:54]  It does three things, though.
[00:12:55]  It punishes anyone who actually did pay off their loan.
[00:12:57]  Second, it raises the overall cost of college.
[00:13:00]  And finally, it massively enriches colleges and sets a standard that we're just giving them huge amounts of money for absolutely nothing.
[00:13:07]  But this is part of a pattern.
[00:13:09]  It's part of a pattern of a country that many of you do not recognize.
[00:13:12]  I certainly don't.
[00:13:13]  Right now in America, this current regime, this Republican-Democrat uniparty of cultural takeover, as we're living through the cultural revolution, it prioritizes the criminal over the law-abiding citizen.
[00:13:26]  We elevate the groomer over the parent, the looter over the business owner, the trans terrorist over the normal citizen, the violent over the peaceful, the absurd over the rational, the ugly over the beautiful.
[00:13:43]  We were living in a time when the profane is given more preference than the holy, the reckless over the restrained, the instinctive over the prudent, the foreign over the domestic.
[00:13:58]  That's absolutely true.
[00:13:59]  Or the primal over the civilized.
[00:14:01]  In society right now, we are giving greater preference to the fragile over the tough.
[00:14:06]  The liar gets treated better than the person who tells the truth.
[00:14:11]  The indulgent over the disciplined and the fool over the wise.
[00:14:15]  We have seen this pattern of the great inversion of Western values, where if you recklessly spend money, you get rewarded.
[00:14:22]  You get more of what you subsidize and you get less of what you punish.
[00:14:26]  10 years ago, we lived in a country where we had to save money and to not engage and not indulge because there would be a cost or a consequence to that.
[00:14:35]  Life is a series of consequences and costs.
[00:14:37]  It's a series of trade-offs.
[00:14:39]  Well, in this situation, we are deciding to say the trade-off to engaging or indulging no longer exists.
[00:14:48]  What does this mean then for those of you that decided to save up money, decided to get good credit?
[00:14:53]  Your government is basically not just calling you a sucker.
[00:14:56]  The government says, well, you shouldn't have done that in the first place.
[00:14:59]  But isn't that the pattern we've seen emerge where criminals get treated better than law-abiding citizens, where groomers are treated better than parents?
[00:15:09]  This is an assault on meritocracy, homeownership, and the American dream.
[00:15:13]  This is an outrage.
[00:15:15]  And Biden does it all under the guise of equity to intentionally try and usher in some sort of great reset, pander to low-income voters.
[00:15:25]  But he doesn't care about what you think.
[00:15:27]  He never has.
[00:15:28]  Especially you young people out there that are trying to maybe get married and have kids and buy a home.
[00:15:35]  You know, this story right here: quote: homeowners with credit scores of 680 or more or higher will pay, for example, about $40 a month more on a home loan.
[00:15:46]  It's a tax on those that believe in delayed gratification.
[00:15:52]  That is your regime.
[00:15:56]  I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days.
[00:15:58]  To see our judicial system resemble a third world banana republic, to see trusted American companies embrace insane and destructive woke ideologies is sometimes depressing.

=== Totalitarianism on Our Campus (14:55) ===

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[00:17:09]  In America, we should have a tradition of free speech, but a Christian school, allegedly Christian school, Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, has just voted to block a turning point USA chapter from hosting a Chinese dissident.
[00:17:28]  Yeah, we have nothing to learn from a Chinese dissident.
[00:17:30]  We're tolerant.
[00:17:31]  Meanwhile, we're not going to let the Chinese dissident come on campus.
[00:17:35]  Whitworth University, which you guys can go to whitworth.edu and express your opinion to them, has done this.
[00:17:43]  Well, joining us now is G Van Fleet, survivor of Mao's China, senior fellow at 1776 Action.
[00:17:49]  G, welcome to the program.
[00:17:51]  Well, thank you so much, Charlie.
[00:17:53]  You are my hero.
[00:17:54]  I listen to your podcast every day.
[00:17:57]  Oh, that's very kind.
[00:17:58]  Thank you so much for inviting me.
[00:17:59]  Well, thank you.
[00:18:00]  Well, now you're on the podcast.
[00:18:01]  So, God bless you.
[00:18:02]  That really means a lot.
[00:18:04]  So, G, tell us about this situation here involving Whitworth University.
[00:18:10]  Why are they so afraid of having you attend on campus?
[00:18:15]  Yeah, it is a question I have myself.
[00:18:18]  And I was invited and then later told I was banned or voted out.
[00:18:24]  And the reason given is that they saw from my Twitter account that I was supposedly anti-BMM and anti-LGBT and whatever.
[00:18:41]  And that is absolutely insane.
[00:18:44]  First of all, I have to say, I am never against the LGBT community.
[00:18:50]  That is a false accusation.
[00:18:52]  But I do have, according to what they say, I think they got from a tweet that tweeted out.
[00:18:59]  And it's a list of vocabulary that I said is a woke terms and unit, including BML.
[00:19:08]  BMM, it's not that I say they're Marxist.
[00:19:11]  They are absolutely claim themselves that they are Marxists.
[00:19:15]  They are trained Marxists.
[00:19:18]  These people, these students, do not have the correct information.
[00:19:22]  And they were fed with false information and misinformation.
[00:19:26]  But even if, I mean, those accusations aren't true, but even if there was some truth to it, who the heck are they to say that a Chinese dissident who survived Mao's China is not allowed on campus?
[00:19:35]  And so let me ask you, Zi, you know, you survived Mao's China as a dissident.
[00:19:40]  Was the suppression of free speech something that you saw Mao Zedong do during the Cultural Revolution?
[00:19:47]  And that's what I really, really want to do for the young people to give them a little history lesson that they never had.
[00:19:55]  I lived in Mao, China, and I witnessed what it is like to live in a society that free speech was not allowed.
[00:20:04]  And not only free speech, any speech was not allowed.
[00:20:08]  There were crazy stories of people who just made a comment, for example, of the Risen Prize, and they were arrested, being accused of attacking socialism, smearing socialism.
[00:20:21]  That is the world I came from.
[00:20:23]  When any speech can be interpreted as hate speech, hate, what is the hate speech in China?
[00:20:32]  That's anything against the CCP.
[00:20:34]  These young people have no idea where this country is going to.
[00:20:41]  When we get there, no one can speak, including all those on the left.
[00:20:48]  So, this is a group of 13 students that voted on this that have authority and power to police speech at Whitworth University.
[00:20:58]  They're a private university, so they're not bound by the First Amendment, but they're making a huge mistake, obviously, because they say that you're an ambassador of hate and all this.
[00:21:06]  When in reality, they're the bigots because they actually don't want to hear different ideas, but they really don't care.
[00:21:12]  Again, it's Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, pretend to be a Christian university.
[00:21:16]  What would your message be if you were able to get on this campus or any other campus?
[00:21:20]  What would you try to teach these students?
[00:21:22]  You've seen a lot.
[00:21:23]  You could see patterns.
[00:21:24]  We, as human beings, have the ability for pattern recognition.
[00:21:27]  So, what would you teach these hyper-entitled elite Spokane University students?
[00:21:33]  What would you teach them?
[00:21:35]  Yes, actually, I just yesterday I talked to the students on the campus of the University of North Carolina, and I gave them a presentation about the parallels of the true cultural revolution that I experienced.
[00:21:50]  One 50 years ago in China, Mao's great proletarian cultural revolution, and one is the woke revolution that is unfolding in front of our eyes.
[00:22:00]  And the parallel is alarming.
[00:22:02]  The parallels are terrifying.
[00:22:05]  And how they divide people in China, it's by class, and here it's by race and gender or whatever intersectionality.
[00:22:17]  And how they attack family, how they groom the children in China.
[00:22:24]  We were taught, even though your parents are biological, the real parents were the party and the chairman Mao and attacked faith and cancel the culture and destroy the tradition.
[00:22:36]  Everything that I witnessed in the cultural revolution is playing out right here in front of us.
[00:22:43]  So, that's what I want to tell them: wake up.
[00:22:46]  We are really seeing history repeat, but they don't know because they're never taught history.
[00:22:52]  That is a real, and that's by design.
[00:22:54]  You'll know it.
[00:22:56]  So, Xi, can you just dive deeper into one of those elements?
[00:23:00]  Is it fair to say that under Mao's China, there was a direct and deliberate campaign to destroy the bond between a child and a parent, to turn children against their parents, their biological parents?
[00:23:12]  Can you talk more about that, please?
[00:23:14]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:23:15]  It did not start in cultural revolution.
[00:23:17]  It started the day that the CCP took power.
[00:23:20]  That was 1949.
[00:23:22]  And in school, the government school, that's what we're taught.
[00:23:25]  Those were the songs we're saying: that the party and Chairman Mao are real parents.
[00:23:32]  We were trained, we were groomed to believe that we will always defend Mao to the death, even if that means to report on our own parents.
[00:23:44]  There are plenty of stories.
[00:23:46]  There's one I'm just going to tell quickly of the story by a young man.
[00:23:49]  He was 16.
[00:23:50]  His name is Zhang Hongbin.
[00:23:53]  Hongbin means Red Guard.
[00:23:54]  So he basically changed his name to Red Guard because he want to be loyal to Mao.
[00:24:01]  He and his father reported his mother because she complained about Mao in the privacy of home.
[00:24:10]  And she was arrested and she was executed in two weeks, two months.
[00:24:15]  The story is not unique.
[00:24:16]  The story happened all the time.
[00:24:18]  And someone asked me, what did your parents tell you during the Cultural Revolution?
[00:24:22]  Nothing, nothing, because they don't trust their kids.
[00:24:26]  They know if they share their political views, which is if it happened not to be the correct review, the view, they have the risk of being reported by their kids.
[00:24:40]  That's how they destroy the family in China.
[00:24:44]  So you came to America in 1986 and the country's changed a lot since then.
[00:24:49]  It was a much freer country.
[00:24:51]  And could you have ever imagined that when you first came to America and successfully escaping Mao's tyranny, did you ever think that America would look more like Mao's tyranny than not?
[00:25:06]  Not in my wider stream.
[00:25:08]  I thought I escaped communism forever.
[00:25:11]  I thought I left all that behind me.
[00:25:13]  But I was just really heartbroken to see the same things happening here.
[00:25:19]  One of the things I was so happy to see is that here in America, I no longer have to censor my thought and I can speak my mind, but it's no longer the case.
[00:25:32]  That is gone.
[00:25:34]  And when I was, I know I witnessed everywhere.
[00:25:37]  It's in my workplace, around people around me, they censor themselves just like the Chinese did and Chinese still do.
[00:25:46]  And we were told at a very young age, shut up, don't say anything.
[00:25:52]  And the proverb said, the bird who sticks out its head first gets shot.
[00:25:58]  And now we see it everywhere.
[00:26:00]  People just bend down their head.
[00:26:02]  They do not dare to share their thoughts.
[00:26:07]  That's exactly right.
[00:26:09]  And I've talked about this for a while.
[00:26:10]  Can you just talk about how self-centered, if the regime can get you scared enough, they don't have to shut you up all the time.
[00:26:17]  They've successfully made you your own censor.
[00:26:21]  Exactly, absolutely.
[00:26:22]  And I think, and people ask me what it's like.
[00:26:26]  And yesterday, the student asked me, when did you realize you were indoctrinated?
[00:26:30]  And I said, I never realized I was indoctrinated when I was in school until finally after the Cultural Revolution, I went to college.
[00:26:40]  I started to get information from outside the outside world.
[00:26:46]  And when this time that it was no longer illegal or crime to listen to BBC and the voice of America.
[00:26:55]  And that's how I started to see, okay, there is another version of whatever truth, because we were told there's only one version of truth, only one version of the fact.
[00:27:09]  That's the whatever we're fed by the CCP.
[00:27:14]  So today is like that.
[00:27:16]  People do not get the correct information, not correct information, just different information of different perspectives.
[00:27:23]  They were fed with one version that is controlled by the academia and the mainstream media.
[00:27:32]  And that's exactly the same situation I saw when I was in China.
[00:27:36]  Just a reminder for the audience, G Van Fleet was going to speak at our turning point USA chapter at Whitworth University, but by a vote of nine to four, the student council at Whitworth University said, We know everything.
[00:27:48]  We are experts in the universe.
[00:27:50]  G Van Fleet can teach us nothing, and she's not allowed on campus.
[00:27:54]  That is Whitworth University in Spokane, Washington, who pretends to be a Christian university, but says that Maoist Mao dissidents are not allowed, even though they're the ones acting like Maoists.
[00:28:08]  So, G, you've lived through Mao's China.
[00:28:11]  Now you're living through the left's totalitarianism of America.
[00:28:16]  Some people say that, well, they're just going to stop, that the left will stop and that they're, you know, this is going to get too insane.
[00:28:23]  Based on your expertise and your lived experience, is there any evidence that the bad guys are ever just going to stop unless we stop them?
[00:28:30]  Nope, they will never stop.
[00:28:32]  First of all, I want to just let everyone know we are not backing down.
[00:28:36]  Actually, we're going to have that event in Whitworth outside the campus.
[00:28:42]  So nothing can stop us.
[00:28:43]  And actually, they helped us.
[00:28:45]  Now we're going to draw more attention.
[00:28:47]  A teacher just contacted me through Twitter and said he's going to bring his whole class to the event.
[00:28:54]  Yes, answer your question.
[00:28:56]  That is called continuous revolution in Mao's words.
[00:29:01]  They never stop.
[00:29:04]  Nothing is enough for them.
[00:29:06]  They won't stop until the whole country or the whole society burned to the ground.
[00:29:13]  So no, they will not stop.
[00:29:15]  And we have to fight back and don't have their illusion.
[00:29:20]  Oh, they had enough.
[00:29:21]  If we just let them have what they have, they will stop.
[00:29:24]  They won't.
[00:29:26]  So, Zhi, I want to ask you: I have two questions remaining.
[00:29:29]  The first of which is, do you see this radical trans narrative as a way to divide and conquer families and communities?
[00:29:37]  Absolutely.
[00:29:38]  And I have to say that my experience in China is different.
[00:29:42]  And Mao used the class to divide the society and give everyone identity.
[00:29:50]  You are either black class or red class.
[00:29:52]  And the black class were the enemy of the state.
[00:29:55]  And that's sufficient because he was ruling over the Chinese people who never experienced freedom.
[00:30:04]  They were always on the tyranny.
[00:30:06]  So that's easier for Mao.
[00:30:09]  In this country, they have to be more creative.
[00:30:12]  They started with race, and now we know the CRT revolution really never gets anywhere.
[00:30:21]  And even the CRT theorists admit their revolution is failing.
[00:30:26]  So they have to continue to explore other identity.
[00:30:30]  The latest of its trends.
[00:30:32]  Okay, I have no problem with people who make their choice doing whatever when they are adults.
[00:30:38]  I am against transgenderism because it is a Marxist ideology because it denies basic biology.
[00:30:48]  Not only that, they push it on us that we have to accept it.
[00:30:53]  We have to get along.
[00:30:54]  And, you know, people say, you know, that's, I tell you, a better word, and that is Mao's word.
[00:31:00]  That's called proletarian dictatorship.

=== Fighting Maoist Ideology (02:31) ===

[00:31:04]  That's what they're doing.
[00:31:05]  They are using their power to suppress any other narrative that go counter theirs.
[00:31:12]  So they are using the power really to suppress people like us that have a different view.
[00:31:19]  And we had, I saw that, I experienced that in China, and it's here in America.
[00:31:25]  So powerful.
[00:31:26]  And in closing, the last question I have, Zhi, how do we beat these guys?
[00:31:30]  How do we beat the Maoists?
[00:31:31]  What is their, what is their weakness?
[00:31:34]  What do the Maoists, the Stalinists, the totalitarians fear?
[00:31:39]  How do we win?
[00:31:40]  Yeah.
[00:31:40]  First off, I'll say I thank you so much for what you do.
[00:31:43]  You are doing, I call it a rescue operation or rescue mission.
[00:31:48]  We need to really, to win the war, we have to get to the young people.
[00:31:54]  And the young people, what they are lacking is history.
[00:31:59]  They do not know history.
[00:32:01]  That's why they have no idea.
[00:32:04]  And when you know what's going on, people like me, people who have lived under communism, it is so clear to us what's going on.
[00:32:13]  Absolutely, because we were there.
[00:32:14]  We know the history.
[00:32:16]  So once we were able to teach the young people the history and let them know, this is nothing new.
[00:32:23]  Don't you think this is something new, something grand idea?
[00:32:28]  No, this happened.
[00:32:29]  Happened before it happened.
[00:32:31]  In all communist countries, especially in China, they need to learn the cultural revolution.
[00:32:38]  That's what I do.
[00:32:39]  That's what I made it my mission to teach American the lesson that they never learned.
[00:32:46]  Once they know the history, they will see things differently.
[00:32:52]  They will say, wow, it's surely history repeating itself.
[00:32:57]  G, God bless you.
[00:32:58]  Thank you so much.
[00:32:59]  I appreciate that.
[00:33:00]  Thank you.
[00:33:01]  Thank you.
[00:33:03]  Honestly, shame on us as a country if we don't listen to people like Yan Meepark and people like G Van Feli that are trying to warn us that we're bringing Maoism to the shore.
[00:33:13]  It's not an exaggeration.
[00:33:14]  It's not a hyperbole.
[00:33:15]  Maoism is here.
[00:33:17]  We must fight it with truth and history.
[00:33:21]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:33:23]  Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:33:26]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:33:27]  God bless.
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