The Charlie Kirk Show - Firearms and Freedoms with Darren Beattie and James Saccomano
Aired: 2023-04-14
Duration: 32:37


=== Protecting Our Guns and Rights (11:06) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:00]  Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Darren Beatty joins the program, and we talk about guns and the Second Amendment as well.
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[00:01:03]  Welcome back, everybody.
[00:01:04]  There is a nationwide effort right now to grab our guns.
[00:01:08]  Joining us now is James Sacomano, host of Firearms and Freedoms, a Jeff Hayes film available at firearmsandfreedom.com.
[00:01:18]  James, welcome to the program.
[00:01:20]  Thank you so much, Charlie.
[00:01:21]  It's an honor to be here.
[00:01:22]  How are you?
[00:01:23]  Good.
[00:01:23]  Thank you.
[00:01:24]  James, tell us about the film and lots to talk about when it comes to the Second Amendment and the campaign to try to take our firearms away.
[00:01:33]  There is a lot to talk about.
[00:01:34]  I'll try to make it short and sweet, though.
[00:01:37]  This came about.
[00:01:39]  Jeff Hayes, he kind of looks for topics that are getting censored quite a bit.
[00:01:46]  And he stumbled across a statistic about how many times a gun is used by a lawful, responsible American to stop a crime.
[00:01:57]  And depending what statistics you look at, on the low end, it's still over half a million.
[00:02:01]  On the high end, it's up to 2 million every year.
[00:02:05]  And that shocked him.
[00:02:06]  It's like, we never hear this.
[00:02:09]  And that was kind of the nexus for let's look at what's really going on with firearms.
[00:02:15]  And the more we looked at it, there's over 100 million gun owners in this country, lawful, responsible gun owners.
[00:02:25]  They deserve a voice.
[00:02:27]  The big microphone is currently held by people that want to take the guns away.
[00:02:33]  And our Second Amendment is there for a reason.
[00:02:37]  It protects all the other amendments.
[00:02:41]  And there are people trying to strip it away.
[00:02:45]  So where do you think the gun, the pro-gun or the Second Amendment movement has maybe been unsuccessful in the last couple of years?
[00:02:56]  There's been a lot of wins, but what do you think is something we could be doing better?
[00:03:01]  I think the gun owners need to get responsible, or not responsible, the gun owners need to get involved.
[00:03:10]  The left, the anti-gun side, they've had the microphone.
[00:03:14]  They make a lot of noise.
[00:03:17]  Anytime there's a mass shooting, there's plenty of ammunition out there to reach out and say we need to get the guns out of people's hands.
[00:03:28]  So the big thing is just getting involved.
[00:03:31]  Like I said, there's over 100 million of us, and most of us go about our daily lives just being responsible adults.
[00:03:41]  And it's time that we do write letters, reach out to our local government, to our state senators, our congressmen, and make our voice heard.
[00:03:52]  I would say the one big thing is just not getting involved and thinking that it's going to be okay, but it won't be if we don't get involved.
[00:04:06]  So, tell us how this is organized.
[00:04:08]  Nine episodes.
[00:04:09]  How are you releasing it?
[00:04:11]  Correct.
[00:04:12]  So, Jeff releases everything.
[00:04:14]  It comes out one episode a day.
[00:04:16]  You can get online at the website and register, and we make it available free for a limited time.
[00:04:24]  You can watch each episode.
[00:04:26]  Then, we do encourage you to buy it and own this information, share it with friends, family, anybody in the community you know.
[00:04:34]  We need to get this word out.
[00:04:36]  So, nine episodes, they have themes such as women in self-defense, military law enforcement, mental health.
[00:04:45]  Each episode has a couple of good or organic, strong interviews with people.
[00:04:51]  And then we have little mashup mini documentaries that just run about 10 minutes to help support the theme.
[00:04:59]  And again, it's at firearmsandfreedoms, freedomsplural.com.
[00:05:07]  So, pretty simple.
[00:05:08]  Great.
[00:05:08]  Okay, well, check it out.
[00:05:09]  It is firearmsandfreedom.com.
[00:05:11]  Well, there's a big push in Tennessee to try to get red flag laws.
[00:05:17]  How should we think about red flag laws as Second Amendment defenders?
[00:05:21]  I'll tell you, when I first got involved with this, on a 3,000-foot level, red flag laws sound reasonable.
[00:05:31]  You know, if somebody's struggling, we want to help.
[00:05:34]  We want to make sure they're not vulnerable, they're not a threat to anybody.
[00:05:39]  So, let's reach out and take their weapons away.
[00:05:43]  The problem is in doing it, the red flag laws just strip your rights away.
[00:05:51]  You can have your guns taken because somebody else is worried about you.
[00:05:57]  You don't really get a hearing.
[00:05:58]  It takes thousands of dollars to get it undone and to get your guns back.
[00:06:04]  So, the problem with red flag laws is once the government gets involved, you get stuck in a process.
[00:06:11]  You don't get an attorney.
[00:06:13]  You're stuck in this judicial process that is aimed against you 100%.
[00:06:20]  So, again, this is all about getting involved again.
[00:06:24]  The gun community, if you have somebody in your circle, you should be the one reaching out to them, not sending the police over.
[00:06:37]  We got to take care of each other, and that's in every aspect of life.
[00:06:40]  We got to take care of each other.
[00:06:42]  We've gotten so divisive.
[00:06:44]  We've gotten so insular.
[00:06:47]  We got to take that back.
[00:06:48]  We got to get back to community.
[00:06:51]  I agree.
[00:06:52]  I want to play a cut here from the upcoming series you have.
[00:06:57]  Is that cut 82, Ryan?
[00:06:58]  Is that right?
[00:06:59]  Cut 82, please play cut 82.
[00:07:03]  An armed parishioner quickly shot and killed the attacker.
[00:07:06]  The man who responded is credited for saving many lives.
[00:07:10]  I did shooting because I hated him.
[00:07:12]  I was shotting because I loved everybody else who was in that church.
[00:07:16]  To get an anti-gun person to appreciate the Second Amendment, I get these people who come to me after they've had a home invasion or whatever and say, okay, I realize I need a gun.
[00:07:24]  That's obviously the worst way to find out.
[00:07:27]  I am a gun guy, and it didn't used to be that way.
[00:07:30]  I changed my mind.
[00:07:31]  For me, the purpose of the gun is to stand on principle.
[00:07:35]  I have my property, my sovereignty.
[00:07:37]  If you are to take it from me, I will be defending it.
[00:07:41]  So, in closing here, just tell us more about the series.
[00:07:44]  Got some pretty good people involved there.
[00:07:46]  Just tell us We got really wonderful people involved, and we really cover every aspect.
[00:07:53]  We have victims of violence who've used their firearm or who've become firearm owners.
[00:07:59]  We have heroes like we saw Stephen Williford there, who protected his church in his hometown.
[00:08:07]  We have lobbyists, we have politicians, police, military.
[00:08:13]  So, we really cover all the aspects.
[00:08:16]  The Second Amendment, folks, it is such an important thing.
[00:08:20]  It is there to protect all of us.
[00:08:23]  It is for enemies, foreign and domestic.
[00:08:28]  I want to remind everybody of that.
[00:08:31]  So, go to freedomsandfirearms.com or firearmsandfreedoms.com.
[00:08:38]  Let's get the word out.
[00:08:40]  Let's share it with everybody.
[00:08:42]  It's called Firearms and Freedoms, Ammunition for Debate.
[00:08:48]  So, this series will give you the facts, the stories, the information you'll need to win the debate on the Second Amendment and on any firearm restriction.
[00:08:59]  It is firearms and freedoms with an S. Correct.
[00:09:02]  Very important.
[00:09:04]  So, very important to go to that.
[00:09:06]  Very good.
[00:09:06]  James, thank you for joining our program.
[00:09:08]  Thanks so much.
[00:09:09]  Charlie, thank you.
[00:09:10]  You have a great day, and thanks for all you're doing for us.
[00:09:13]  You bet.
[00:09:14]  God bless.
[00:09:14]  Thank you.
[00:09:16]  It's an important point.
[00:09:17]  Why do we have a Second Amendment?
[00:09:19]  The Second Amendment is there to protect our other rights given to us by God, not by man, against the potential threat of a tyrannical government.
[00:09:27]  I tell the story frequently of a friend I have in Chicago who was like, I don't want guns.
[00:09:33]  Just keep them away from me.
[00:09:34]  I don't want guns.
[00:09:35]  And then COVID happened.
[00:09:37]  And all of a sudden, you see the lockdowns and you see the masks and you see the COVID hysteria.
[00:09:42]  And all of a sudden, you start to see that sort of abstract threat of tyranny start to march in, start to creep in.
[00:09:49]  George Floyd riots.
[00:09:51]  This very same person now has their FOID card, their firearm owner identification card in Illinois.
[00:09:57]  This very same person who was just like, suburban Chicago, keep guns away from me.
[00:10:02]  I don't want them.
[00:10:05]  People's minds are changing.
[00:10:06]  I've said for quite some time, the gun issue is a winning issue, especially as crime goes up.
[00:10:15]  As long as the Democrats are running the cities the way they are, we should have a zero budge on any sort of gun stuff.
[00:10:23]  You guys are going to let criminals out of jail.
[00:10:25]  At the very least, we're going to own guns.
[00:10:27]  No red flag laws.
[00:10:28]  We're not going to put up with any of it.
[00:10:29]  It's not done in good faith.
[00:10:30]  And it goes back to the essence.
[00:10:32]  If you're dealing with another side, not in good faith, there's no deal to be had.
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=== Closing Whole Foods in San Francisco (06:11) ===

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[00:11:25]  Text Charlie to 74868.
[00:11:30]  Sources are saying that the turtle might be retiring.
[00:11:36]  That Mitch McConnell might be going into retirement.
[00:11:41]  This would be good news.
[00:11:42]  John Thune would likely take over.
[00:11:44]  It doesn't matter.
[00:11:44]  He's nowhere near as Machiavellian as McConnell.
[00:11:47]  McConnell is tough.
[00:11:48]  You don't want to cross him.
[00:11:49]  I'll tell you, he'll destroy your life.
[00:11:51]  He'll take you off committees.
[00:11:53]  He'll go there.
[00:11:53]  This would be a good thing.
[00:11:54]  So we'll keep our eyes closely on that.
[00:12:01]  You know, we get called all sorts of different things here on this program that are fake and that are not true and that are lies.
[00:12:08]  One of them is they say, you guys are racists.
[00:12:10]  No, no, we're not.
[00:12:11]  And because the group of people that actually irritate me the most are white liberal women.
[00:12:17]  I'm going to read you this tweet here from Hillary Ronin.
[00:12:20]  Of course, her name is Hillary.
[00:12:22]  In August of 2020, San Francisco city council member.
[00:12:30]  She says, I want to make it clear that I believe strongly in defunding the police and reducing the numbers of officers on our force.
[00:12:41]  For decades, we've had an imbalance in our city's budget with hundreds of millions of dollars going to San Francisco Police Department to have them do work they are not qualified to do.
[00:12:54]  I want to defund the police and reduce the amount of police.
[00:12:59]  Well, Hillary Ronin, not Hillary Rodham Clinton, but there are plenty of similarities, has kind of changed her tune, changed her tone.
[00:13:09]  San Francisco used to be one of America's greatest cities.
[00:13:13]  It is a dystopian hellscape now.
[00:13:16]  A woman gave birth on the sidewalk of San Francisco the other day.
[00:13:22]  That's just not acceptable in an American city, okay?
[00:13:26]  I pray the baby is okay.
[00:13:28]  I have no idea.
[00:13:31]  These Democrats, because they come from a flawed philosophical tradition, they believe human beings are naturally good, are destroying our once great cities.
[00:13:42]  Chicago is gone.
[00:13:43]  It's been gone for a while, and now it's completely gone.
[00:13:46]  San Francisco.
[00:13:46]  But now, Hillary says, I'm begging you for more police.
[00:13:50]  Play cut 41.
[00:13:53]  We've been begging for more footbeats and for more officers in the Mission District.
[00:13:59]  I've been begging this department to give the mission what it deserves in terms of police presence.
[00:14:07]  It is not this Board of Supervisors' priorities.
[00:14:10]  We want our residents safe.
[00:14:12]  No, you don't.
[00:14:12]  You were calling for the defunding of police when it mattered most during Floyd of Palooza because you thought you could be a virtue signaling upper-class white liberal.
[00:14:22]  I don't, it's really going to be fascinating.
[00:14:26]  I made a comment the other day and people said, oh, Charlie, how good do you say that?
[00:14:28]  I said that suburban residential homes might decrease by 10 or 15%, but I'm actually somewhat more bullish on short and even long-term health of the housing market than most people.
[00:14:40]  For one, people are not going to sell homes if they have a low interest rate or mortgage rate minus having death or divorce or bankruptcy.
[00:14:51]  That's number one.
[00:14:52]  Number two, these cities are losing people every single day.
[00:14:59]  They're going to have to go somewhere.
[00:15:00]  And the suburbs don't have the inventory that a city does.
[00:15:05]  A massive capital project in San Francisco has now gone belly up.
[00:15:09]  A $400 million condominium project.
[00:15:13]  It's gone bankrupt.
[00:15:15]  Can't find the tenants.
[00:15:16]  Can't do it.
[00:15:16]  Can't make the numbers work.
[00:15:18]  Whole Foods is gone in San Francisco.
[00:15:20]  I got such a kick out of this.
[00:15:21]  If we could get the tape here, I actually did a little schtick on this with Charlie Hurt and Sean Duffy and Dagon on Fox Business, where the eulogy that was written, it's one of the funniest things.
[00:15:34]  Whole Foods closing in San Francisco received more articles than kids getting shot on the side of the street in Chicago.
[00:15:46]  There was more national news coverage about the closure of Whole Foods than four or five-year-olds that are just shot indiscriminately in our nation cities.
[00:15:55]  Literally, it is hundreds of articles.
[00:15:58]  If you type in Whole Foods San Francisco, which obviously shows you, if you want to get white liberals really fired up, just close their Whole Foods.
[00:16:07]  Where am I going to get my vegan cheese from?
[00:16:12]  This is a disaster.
[00:16:15]  How am I going to do my beaten kale cleanse?
[00:16:21]  CNN, Whole Foods, closed San Francisco flagships over one store citing worker safety.
[00:16:26]  One after the other, after the other, after the other.
[00:16:30]  The lesson has been learned.
[00:16:31]  You want to animate white liberals, take away their Whole Foods.
[00:16:35]  A salad bar.
[00:16:36]  Oh my gosh, what am I going to do?
[00:16:37]  Whole Foods in San Francisco closed.
[00:16:39]  Now a major political fight looms.
[00:16:41]  Honestly, I try to not wish bad circumstances on my enemies.
[00:16:47]  It's not good form.
[00:16:48]  It's not a good habit.
[00:16:50]  You should not take joy in the suffering of others, but boy, is it hard because these are the worst people.
[00:16:58]  These are the people that kidnapped Riley Gaines.
[00:17:01]  These are the people that heckled the judge at Stanford.
[00:17:03]  Honestly, enjoy the hell of your own creation.
[00:17:07]  You deserve it.
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[00:18:12]  Joining us now is Darren Beattie.
[00:18:13]  Darren, welcome to the program.
[00:18:14]  Darren runs Revolver.news and does an excellent job.
[00:18:17]  Darren, I want to talk about what Ron Paul was riffing on regarding the deep state.
[00:18:23]  So can I play the tape and then get your reaction, Darren?
[00:18:26]  If so, let's do that.
[00:18:27]  Let's play Cut 83.
[00:18:31]  You know, there's been a coup.
[00:18:34]  We don't have any resemblance to a government that believes in a republic.
[00:18:39]  We don't have honest money.
[00:18:40]  We don't have integrity.
[00:18:42]  We don't even have people in Washington that even pretends, you know, that you're supposed to tell the truth.
[00:18:48]  And if I want to, if I can, I want to just put the day in my mind.
[00:18:51]  And anybody could pick probably any date in the last hundred years.
[00:18:54]  But I have picked November 22nd, 1963.
[00:18:59]  What happened on that day?
[00:19:00]  That was the day Kennedy was murdered by our government.
[00:19:03]  Wow.
[00:19:03]  You know, by the CIA.
[00:19:06]  Darren Beatty, your thoughts?
[00:19:09]  Well, it's remarkable.
[00:19:11]  And of course, it's really a classic coming from Ron Paul, a man who's been speaking the truth for so long.
[00:19:20]  He's kind of become a meme in his own right.
[00:19:23]  You know, we should have listened to Ron Paul.
[00:19:26]  And it's incredible to see him still going at it after all of these years.
[00:19:32]  And, you know, he's best known for being one of the most brave and articulate critics of government abuse from the Federal Reserve, and, you know, which ties into some of what you were saying about gold.
[00:19:49]  He's a critic of the Federal Reserve, critic of the national security state, and saying kind of things that now, thankfully, have become somewhat commonplace, somewhat accepted in the right.
[00:20:02]  There's still a long ways to go, but he's been saying it for a long time.
[00:20:07]  And the bit about Kennedy is fascinating.
[00:20:10]  You know, it's one of the things I talked about with President Trump in our interview, which now has like over 7 million views on Rumble.
[00:20:19]  It's pretty amazing.
[00:20:21]  But we got into the JFK files because Trump made an effort to release a lot of the classified government documents pertaining to the JFK assassination.
[00:20:32]  He was able to get some of it out, but at the end of the process, he received pushback reportedly from Mike Pompeo and others.
[00:20:41]  And so the full story hasn't been released yet to this day.
[00:20:47]  But it certainly was an inflection point in our government in the relationship between the national security state and the American people.
[00:20:56]  And we're still seeing the ramifications of that today with more recent government abuses.
[00:21:03]  Yeah, I mean, look, anyone who studies the JFK assassination, it's very clear that there's more to the story than just the single shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald.
[00:21:13]  I've always believed that there was a second shooter.
[00:21:15]  And I think the Warren Commission is a joke and has been a joke.
[00:21:19]  There's so much wrong with it in a variety of different ways.
[00:21:23]  I have been focused on that for quite some time.
[00:21:27]  Darren, Ron Paul's theory, though, is that that was the beginning of kind of the deep state regime.
[00:21:32]  Like that was the shot across the bout.
[00:21:35]  We could take out a president.
[00:21:37]  We can cover it up.
[00:21:38]  We can also maybe, and I don't know the circumstances regarding Bobby Kennedy being shot very well might have been a lone actor, but that one hasn't been examined as much.
[00:21:48]  But I mean, you think about it, it's really interesting, right?
[00:21:50]  Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Bobby Kennedy, and JFK, they tried to kill Gerald Ford.
[00:21:57]  They even tried to kill Queen Elizabeth.
[00:21:59]  People forget that.
[00:22:00]  And they tried to kill Ronald Reagan.
[00:22:03]  I mean, we had a mass amount of activity.
[00:22:05]  Some might have been lone actors, some might have been targeting.
[00:22:07]  What do you think of that theory, Darian, that in some ways the deep state regime began when they were able to either kill Kennedy or cover up the truth of the death around Kennedy?
[00:22:19]  And why are people so afraid to talk about this?
[00:22:23]  Well, it's a really fascinating question.
[00:22:26]  And, you know, as for the kind of narrative effect of pinpointing some kind of essential change at the Kennedy assassination, I mean, narratively, it's as good a time as any.
[00:22:40]  But I have to remember, you know, basically the emergence of what Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex in the aftermath of World War II, I think is concurrent with this.
[00:22:54]  So a lot of things were happening simultaneously that I think really had essential role to play in this transformation of the national security state to the degree that we basically become a society controlled by the national security state.
[00:23:16]  And, you know, the Kennedy presidency in particular was interesting because he had a very interesting relationship with the intelligence community.
[00:23:25]  You know, there's the, you know, the Bay of Pigs and A lot of other kinds of interesting entanglements.
[00:23:35]  There is the role of kind of the mafia, and at the very least, sort of the intelligence agencies playing footsie with the mafia and the underworld.
[00:23:46]  And I think that's another kind of dimension of sort of the hidden dimension of power in the United States that people don't appreciate is the kind of, I think it exists in these dark realms where the security state partners up with various elements of the underworld.
[00:24:06]  And back then it was with the mafia.
[00:24:09]  Now you could say maybe it's with certain, you know, drug cartels in Mexico and throughout the world.
[00:24:16]  And so there are always these kinds of partnerships with elements of the underworld.
[00:24:21]  And that's where sort of the dirty deeds are done.
[00:24:25]  And I think those relationships were just starting to crystallize under the Kennedy administration.
[00:24:33]  I think that's significant as well.
[00:24:35]  So I think, you know, the context here, besides the abuses of the national security state, is really that it underscores the bizarre characteristic of our so-called liberal democracy that we actually face with a profound lack of transparency with respect to who really controls things.
[00:24:57]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:24:57]  And it's the question of who's in charge, right?
[00:24:59]  And that is the question.
[00:25:00]  Is it the people or is it a kind of unknown leviathan of scientific and technological elite?
[00:25:09]  Right.
[00:25:10]  A Leviathan and, you know, sub-networks within the Leviathan that are able to get things done.
[00:25:17]  And they were certainly able to get things done back in the 60s and 70s.
[00:25:23]  These days, it's hard to even imagine a level of confidence that could sustain any theory that sinister and things, things are happening.
[00:25:32]  But maybe the sabotage of Nord Stream is a rare and in a certain way, semi-encouraging example of competence in these quarters.
[00:25:42]  Who knows?
[00:25:44]  That's another kind of question that we're unable fully to address precisely because of this lack of transparency that weirdly, it doesn't seem to prevail in so-called authoritarian systems.
[00:26:01]  In China, people kind of know she is in charge.
[00:26:05]  Yes, there's kind of palace intrigue within the CCP, but pretty much it's understood she is the decision maker.
[00:26:14]  In Russia, similarly with Putin in the United States, it's very opaque and it has been for a long time.
[00:26:21]  That's such a good point.
[00:26:22]  And it's multi-generational, though.
[00:26:24]  That's what's so amazing is that no one, there's no way it could be the same person or persons that it was in 63 that it is now.
[00:26:30]  It's just physically impossible, right?
[00:26:33]  I mean, it makes you think, is there, you know, a series of beliefs or is there a spiritual dimension?
[00:26:40]  I certainly believe there's a spiritual dimension to this, that there's principalities of darkness that are governing some of these people.
[00:26:46]  And if you don't believe that, you're not looking hard enough.
[00:26:48]  I mean, there is something so clandestine, so subterranean, so below the surface here.
[00:26:54]  I think that's a really smart point, Darren, is that in most countries, you kind of can pinpoint, okay, it's Xi and his cabal of advisors.
[00:27:01]  They're in charge.
[00:27:02]  Who's actually in charge of the United States?
[00:27:04]  And if you think you know, you're wrong, because you can name maybe one of the players.
[00:27:08]  Maybe it's Soros, maybe it's Obama, maybe it's some of these people.
[00:27:11]  It's deeper than that.
[00:27:12]  And who actually calls the shots and by what standard they call the shots and when do they decide to intervene?
[00:27:19]  Or is it just kind of created its own mob consciousness amongst them where there really isn't a one decision maker, but they have some sort of uniformity of what they want?
[00:27:31]  It's a good question that we're going to explore more.
[00:27:33]  Darren, how does this apply today?
[00:27:37]  And I mean, it looks, how do we then best hold accountable or break apart this leviathan?
[00:27:47]  It's very hard to do, especially when we don't understand it or have any meaningful transparency into it.
[00:27:54]  And as you say, whatever the it is is likely to have evolved since the 60s and more likely than not devolved as I think everything around us disintegrates and deteriorates in terms of competence and efficacy.
[00:28:12]  I don't think there's any reason to think that it's not the same thing in the kind of inner chambers of power, which is why I was saying earlier, it's a minor miracle in its own right whenever our deep state, as evil as it is, is able to pull anything off, which is why the Nordstream operation, assuming it was us, is so interesting.
[00:28:39]  It's hard to believe even the Jeffrey Epstein playbook of having him suicided in a jail cell, that required a fairly impressive degree of secrecy and coordination, and it was done successfully.
[00:28:53]  And the media reporting on it was kind of managed in a very interesting way, because usually things like this are managed.
[00:29:03]  You just can't talk about it.
[00:29:04]  And for a long time, any discussion whatsoever of Epstein in the context of working for some intelligence agency was totally, totally taboo.
[00:29:15]  But then, you know, we jump from the taboo aspect of it to becoming so commonplace that it's almost a joke and lacks any kind of real effect or teeth, which is an interesting sort of marker of how robust the system is, is that it can absorb the publicity of something like that by just funneling it into the Bread and Circuses joke machine of sort of American cultural life,
[00:29:46]  which is kind of an interesting thing to think about whenever you think, oh, if only this so-and-so thing were revealed, well, you know, it takes a lot more than just having some information available on some corners of the internet to make it sort of admissible and permissible in terms of public discourse and sort of our collective consciousness.
[00:30:11]  So there's a long road to go.
[00:30:15]  I think we're still at the road of understanding what the system is and who the players are.
[00:30:24]  And I do think whatever it is, it's disintegrated considerably and things are falling apart in the inner chambers.
[00:30:32]  And we're seeing less and less capability of the government or its operators to carry out sort of ambitious and successful and secretive operations along the lines of the storied and notorious ones that we saw in the past.
[00:30:53]  And maybe it's trying to mix them up against each other, right?
[00:30:56]  It's trying to turn different actors that have different incentives.
[00:31:00]  It is such a far-reaching cabal.
[00:31:03]  And we really started to go wrong as Congress started to delegate all their powers to the administrative state.
[00:31:10]  And then these private actors are able to get so much power and favor from the administrative state.
[00:31:15]  It is a truly fascist model that has been implemented where you have three or four companies in every sector that call all the shots and they get special favors from Congress.
[00:31:24]  One minute remaining, Darren, any latest with January 6th, the tapes or your investigation or reporting into that?
[00:31:30]  As a matter of fact, yes, I've been working on a new January 6th piece that should be out tomorrow and at the very latest, early next week.
[00:31:39]  So if I look tired, that's why there's a new piece coming out very soon at Revolver.news.
[00:31:45]  So just stay tuned and stay patient.
[00:31:47]  You should go to that website every day.
[00:31:49]  Darren has done a fabulous job.
[00:31:51]  He's done yeoman's work.
[00:31:53]  He's done courageous work for all of us.
[00:31:55]  Looking into January 6th, the narrative would be many, many, many, many degrees different if it wasn't for Revolver.news.
[00:32:02]  It would be way more establishment, way in this other area, maybe a little bit.
[00:32:08]  But Darren has been uncovering this nonsense.
[00:32:11]  He's going to get to it.
[00:32:13]  There is so much wrong.
[00:32:14]  They're speculating 40 federal agents.
[00:32:15]  I think that's low.
[00:32:16]  I think there were a lot more than, if you count agents and informants, I think there were more than 40 that day, but that's just me.
[00:32:21]  Darren, thank you so much.
[00:32:22]  Appreciate it.
[00:32:23]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:32:25]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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[00:32:29]  Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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