The Charlie Kirk Show - The False Religion of Anti-Racism with Voddie Baucham Jr. — Good Friday Special
Aired: 2023-04-07
Duration: 36:43


=== Original Sin and Anti-Racism (09:23) ===

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[00:01:11]  Joining us now is Vodi Bockham from, he does a great job, and he's a preacher, pastor, cultural apologist, and author of Fault Lines, a terrific book that is now turning into a 10-part video curriculum series.
[00:01:25]  And you can check it out at salemnow.com, that's salemnow.com.
[00:01:29]  Vodie, welcome back to the program.
[00:01:31]  Hey, thank you very much for having me.
[00:01:33]  So several topics I want to talk about here.
[00:01:36]  And let's just start with the main premise of your book, Fault Lines.
[00:01:39]  What is it about and why did you write it?
[00:01:42]  You know, the subtitle is The Social Justice Movement and Evangelicalism's Looming Catastrophe.
[00:01:48]  And I wrote it because I believe that the social justice movement is a fault line of sorts and has been a fault line within evangelicalism.
[00:01:58]  It's dividing evangelicalism between people who are buying into this radical neo-Marxist ideology and the people who are opposing this radical neo-Marxist ideology.
[00:02:09]  So I wrote the book to sort of define terms and to inform people as to what's really going on and of the importance of responding to it biblically.
[00:02:23]  And so, you know, one of the things I was most moved by, you know, reading your book and studying it was how you go about kind of this social contagion, you could call it social contagion, or just kind of this idea of social justice and kind of where it comes from.
[00:02:39]  I want to play the trailer here just to give people a little taste.
[00:02:41]  Let's play Cut 66, please.
[00:02:43]  The religion of anti-racism and the religion of social justice has no redemption.
[00:02:49]  Christianity is a religion that's all about redemption.
[00:02:53]  It's all about the person and work of Jesus Christ.
[00:02:57]  It is not about you doing the work of anything.
[00:03:04]  The gospel will always be the gospel.
[00:03:06]  However, we are not always faithful in the way that we communicate the gospel.
[00:03:12]  We're doing this project because of love for the church.
[00:03:18]  I honestly believe that the critical social justice movement represents a threat.
[00:03:25]  We have to be right about what the word justice means and about what God requires of his people in this critical moment.
[00:03:36]  What God are you trying to appease?
[00:03:41]  So that's a really interesting question, right?
[00:03:43]  What God are you trying to appease?
[00:03:46]  What you articulate in that film is similar to a speech I've been giving at churches, the five fake religions that are dominating the West as Christianity becomes less popular.
[00:03:55]  And you said it perfectly, the religion of anti-racism.
[00:03:57]  Let's start with that one.
[00:04:00]  Why is that religion so heretical, so dangerous, and where does it come from?
[00:04:05]  Yeah, the phrase was popularized really with Ibram X. Kenby's book, How to Be an Anti-Racist, but the concept is broader than that.
[00:04:14]  It's been around longer than that.
[00:04:16]  And the idea is that there's not racism and then non-racism.
[00:04:23]  There's racism and then there's anti-racism.
[00:04:25]  And anti-racism is about doing the work that is required to dismantle racism.
[00:04:34]  You see, racism is seen as structural.
[00:04:38]  Racism is seen as baked into the society.
[00:04:43]  It's based on this sort of neo-Marxist picture of the oppressor and the oppressed.
[00:04:49]  So, anti-racism in that context is about undoing all of the cultural and structural and societal ills that create disparities between groups.
[00:05:02]  And because this work is never really done, the religion of anti-racism has no end, it has no ultimate redemption.
[00:05:10]  You just continue to do the work.
[00:05:12]  Endlessly.
[00:05:14]  Talk about how the religion of anti-racism is a counterfeit Christianity and other elements.
[00:05:18]  For example, original sin.
[00:05:20]  What is the original sin in the religion of anti-racism?
[00:05:23]  Yeah, the original sin in anti-racism is the sin of racism.
[00:05:28]  Or more particularly, you could say it's the sin of the invention of whiteness as a means of oppressing all those people who do not fit into the definition of whiteness.
[00:05:41]  So, whiteness, white supremacy, racism, this is seen as the original sin.
[00:05:48]  And everything that sort of advances that is seen as a perpetuation of that original sin.
[00:05:54]  So, you have whiteness and you have white supremacy, you know, white equilibrium and so on and so forth.
[00:06:01]  In fact, I devote a whole segment in this series to just defining those terms.
[00:06:08]  So, several things I want to explore with you in that topic in particular.
[00:06:13]  So, you say there's no redemption.
[00:06:15]  Well, therefore, why is it attractive for people to keep on doing the work?
[00:06:18]  Doesn't that just keep you in a perpetual state of torment?
[00:06:22]  It really does.
[00:06:23]  And, you know, providentially, that's one of the things that is turning people away from this false.
[00:06:29]  So, that's good.
[00:06:29]  Praise God for that.
[00:06:30]  There's only so much pressure, I guess, you could take, right?
[00:06:34]  Exactly.
[00:06:35]  And so, you have people who are very sincere, right?
[00:06:37]  And they start doing the work and they start, you know, trying to dismantle all of these structures.
[00:06:43]  And then all of a sudden, something happens and they speak out in a way that is not approved by the anti-racist mob.
[00:06:56]  And then, all of a sudden, all of the work that they've done is completely dismissed and they are completely disqualified.
[00:07:04]  And they start over again at ground zero because whatever it is, you can do a thousand things right, but the one thing that you do wrong proves that you're not truly an anti-racist and that you were really a racist all along.
[00:07:18]  Well, you know, this can only happen a few times before people throw up their hands and say, you know, I'm done with this.
[00:07:24]  Yeah.
[00:07:25]  And there's only so much you're going to take.
[00:07:27]  We're like, wait a second, I've donated to BLM every day.
[00:07:30]  And I, and no, no, you're still in a place of torment.
[00:07:34]  You're still in a place of self-hatred.
[00:07:36]  You're still in a state of self-loathing.
[00:07:39]  So, so vote-y light.
[00:07:40]  And all it takes is one case.
[00:07:42]  All it takes is one case where, you know, something happens to a person of color and you see the evidence and the police were 100% in the right.
[00:07:53]  And you just acknowledge the fact that, well, in this case, the police seem to be 100% in the right.
[00:07:58]  And then bam, there it is.
[00:08:00]  You're a racist.
[00:08:02]  We knew it all along.
[00:08:04]  You know, just one instance like that is all it takes.
[00:08:08]  So focusing on that word whiteness, that's a strange term.
[00:08:12]  Where does it come from and what does it mean?
[00:08:15]  It sort of depends on who you ask.
[00:08:18]  But the idea is that, you know, within the last couple of hundred years, you know, white European descendants created this racial classification in order to distinguish themselves from all other peoples.
[00:08:37]  And that this distinction was established in order to put them at the top of the racial pyramid and to accrue benefits to them that would not accrue to other people by virtue of them not qualifying as part of this new race or class.
[00:09:00]  And one of the components of the religion of anti-racism is that it becomes tyrannical awfully quickly, is that it almost gives people a moral license that once you are given the merit badge of a victim, you then can become a victimizer.
[00:09:16]  Yeah, I tell people all the time, one of the most important books you can read right now is Animal Farm.

=== Seminaries in a Catch-22 (06:19) ===

[00:09:23]  That's correct by George Williams.
[00:09:24]  That's absolutely what we're seeing, right?
[00:09:27]  Yeah, the pigs are running everything now and they're oppressing the rest of the animals.
[00:09:31]  That's exactly what it does.
[00:09:33]  Because, you know, Marxism is right in that oppression is real, but oppression comes from sin, not from being part of a particular group.
[00:09:42]  Yeah, and it does, that's exactly right.
[00:09:45]  And the truth of Christianity is against sectarianism.
[00:09:51]  It's against tribal guilt and tribal indictment and tribal stereotyping.
[00:09:56]  It's one of the truths of Christianity.
[00:09:59]  And it's a great moral advancement that you apply that to your system of laws, that we're not going to judge you based on the group you come from.
[00:10:08]  It's immoral.
[00:10:09]  It's wrong.
[00:10:10]  In fact, we're going to advance beyond that, that you're accountable for whether or not you accept Jesus or not.
[00:10:15]  You're accountable for your crimes and your actions.
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[00:11:27]  So, Vodi, let me ask you why or how?
[00:11:31]  I mean, there's so many different ways to phrase the question.
[00:11:34]  In your teaching series that people can find at SalemNow.com, Fault Lines, you talk about social justice, the religion of anti-racism.
[00:11:42]  Why is this taking over American Christianity?
[00:11:44]  How is it possible?
[00:11:45]  It's such a bad idea.
[00:11:46]  It's so demonic.
[00:11:47]  It's so against the word of God.
[00:11:48]  How is this possible?
[00:11:50]  Yeah, well, I don't think it's necessarily taking over American Christianity.
[00:11:55]  I think it had a big foothold over the last couple of years, and that's because it is very sinister and sneaky.
[00:12:04]  You know, you use phrases like diversity and equity and inclusion and social justice and racial justice and anti-racism.
[00:12:15]  These all sound like very good things, right?
[00:12:17]  And they sound like things that the church has always been about.
[00:12:22]  You know, that you can go to the scriptures and you see the right pictures of these things.
[00:12:30]  But this movement, this critical Marxist, you know, critical just critical theory movement, you know, critical social justice movement, it's using these words and these phrases and pouring meaning into them that is antithetical to what we see in scripture.
[00:12:47]  And I think that's why people are waking up to this now.
[00:12:51]  Now, there are some people who are dying the wool, right?
[00:12:54]  And we've seen liberation theology and other movements that are Marxist movements, you know, within certain Christian groups and Christian sects.
[00:13:03]  But by and large, Christians reject these ideas.
[00:13:06]  And right now, I think people are, there's a sort of backlash.
[00:13:10]  But at the same time, people are trying to figure out, you know, how do we do the right things that these words are supposed to point to without embracing this ideology that's antithetical?
[00:13:21]  Yes.
[00:13:22]  So, Savodi, some people say, well, it's a helpful framework or it's an analytical tool.
[00:13:27]  I mean, I will take your word for it because you know the health of American Christianity better than I do, because I certainly look at things when I see political triggers and I probably might be overgeneralizing.
[00:13:39]  But let me just ask you one challenging question on that.
[00:13:42]  Isn't it true that a fair amount of seminaries are embracing some of this critical thinking or at least cousins of it or, you know, let's just say a poor man's version of it?
[00:13:53]  Is that fair to say?
[00:13:54]  It is.
[00:13:55]  It is fair to say.
[00:13:56]  And there are different reasons.
[00:13:58]  Here's what's ironic.
[00:14:00]  In some instances, what has happened is, you know, seminaries over the last 20, 30 years have acknowledged the fact that there has been less representation of minorities than they wanted or than they were interested in.
[00:14:15]  I remember being courted when I was a seminary student and basically, you know, people saying, hey, there's just not a lot of black professors in our seminaries and people trying to sort of walk me through this academic process and say, you know, it'd be great if you go ahead and finish do your doctorate and maybe teach this, that, and the other.
[00:14:34]  And so there have been a number of black professors and other minority professors who have ascended the ranks in recent years in these seminaries.
[00:14:44]  Well, now all of a sudden, these same guys begin to espouse, you know, critical theory and critical race theory.
[00:14:53]  And these seminaries are sort of in a catch-22.
[00:14:58]  Because on the one hand, you know, they wanted to have these guys there and they're proud of the fact that they have this representation.
[00:15:04]  On the other hand, these guys are teaching something that is anathema.
[00:15:09]  And if you get rid of them, immediately the response is, oh, well, you weren't as committed to diversity as you said you were.
[00:15:17]  So it was a very difficult position for people to be put in.
[00:15:21]  Yeah.
[00:15:22]  And I just, I think we shouldn't have tolerance for evil, right?
[00:15:25]  And I think these ideas are evil.
[00:15:28]  And man, you're a hero in my book, Vodi, for your moral clarity and your courage.
[00:15:33]  And you always go back to the word of God as the reason as to why this is heretical and why this is dangerous.
[00:15:39]  Some Christians say, but Charlie, I don't want to be called a racist.

=== Christian Nationalism and Fear (03:50) ===

[00:15:42]  Your reaction.
[00:15:44]  That there's worse things that you could be called than racist.
[00:15:49]  And our goal is to hear the Lord say, well done, good and faithful servant.
[00:15:54]  And there's nothing that you can call me this side of heaven that is worth me not hearing that when I get there.
[00:16:02]  I hope that gets clipped and repeated and written down, everybody, because what you just said, Vodi, is against the secular humanist religion of anti-racism.
[00:16:11]  For them, the biggest fear is the charge or the accusation of racism.
[00:16:17]  Their fear is not the fear of God.
[00:16:19]  It's not the fear of going into an eternal fire.
[00:16:22]  No, their fear is being called a label that means nothing, a label that means zero.
[00:16:29]  It's a very powerful point you just made.
[00:16:32]  And be careful what you fear.
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=== Transgender Social Contagion (15:30) ===

[00:19:32]  You currently believe these ideas are losing steam in American Christianity.
[00:19:37]  Is that right?
[00:19:38]  Yeah, they are.
[00:19:39]  There's been a pivot, you know, and I think the pivot to Christian nationalism, for example, is one evidence that these ideas are losing steam.
[00:19:48]  It's as though people were being called out for their adherence to critical theory, critical race theory, so on and so forth.
[00:19:57]  And all of a sudden they just went, well, look over there.
[00:19:59]  There's Christian nationalism.
[00:20:03]  It's the current dodge while people sort of regroup and move away from that ideology that's being exposed for what it is.
[00:20:15]  So just quickly, can you build out the possible demonic elements of this?
[00:20:24]  Why would the enemy use critical theory?
[00:20:27]  And is it scripturally proven or fair to say that this would be congruent with how we know the enemy operates?
[00:20:36]  Yeah, so what it does is it gives you a different picture of sin, right?
[00:20:44]  Man's problem is not sin.
[00:20:46]  And it's not even the problem for all of mankind.
[00:20:50]  There's just one sinful group.
[00:20:53]  So that undermines the idea that we have in scripture that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
[00:21:00]  It undermines the idea that there is one mankind that comes from one man, Adam.
[00:21:06]  And now all of a sudden, you know, we're breaking people up into these sort of racial essential groups.
[00:21:13]  It takes away the idea that our redemption is found in Christ and in his finished work.
[00:21:19]  Instead, it's a religion of works where we have to find redemption through, you know, our works.
[00:21:25]  It looks forward to this utopia, not to the new heavens and the new earth.
[00:21:31]  I mean, at every point, it is a counterfeit.
[00:21:34]  And you'll actually never get there, obviously.
[00:21:37]  And so let's talk a little bit about this trans stuff.
[00:21:41]  I think your moral clarity on this topic is terrific.
[00:21:44]  But let me try to connect it, if it's possible to connect, which I find to be interesting.
[00:21:49]  And maybe you can help make sense of it because I find this to be an irreconcilable difference, yet they seem to be activist groups that work in harmony, where one of the main arguments of the CRT or the BLM or the kind of racial arsonist group or the religion of anti-racism is that you have an identity that is tied to your melanin content.
[00:22:09]  Okay, but it's not changeable and it's fixed.
[00:22:13]  But then you have the trans movement that works in harmony with the other activists, but they make a completely different argument that your identity actually can be changed.
[00:22:23]  So how are these similar?
[00:22:25]  How are they different?
[00:22:26]  And why do they get along so well?
[00:22:29]  The reason they get along so well is because they're part of the same neo-Marxist cultural Marxist ideology.
[00:22:36]  According to that ideology, the hegemonic power, and this is from Antonio Gramsci, right?
[00:22:41]  Yep.
[00:22:42]  Antonio Gramsci and then through him, the Frankfurt School, gives us this new rendition, this new sort of presentation of Marxism that's cultural in nature.
[00:22:55]  The idea is that there's a hegemonic power and that the oppressor uses this hegemonic power, this ideology in order to oppress people, not just economics.
[00:23:06]  And in our culture, the oppressor would be white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, able-bodied, native-born, on down to Christian, right?
[00:23:16]  That's the oppressor.
[00:23:19]  And this idea that cisgender people, that heterosexual people, that that heteronormativity is part of the hegemonic power that is used to oppress is what unites the LGBTQIA2S plus movement with the social justice movement and the racial justice movement.
[00:23:39]  And we saw this, for example, in BLM's original website.
[00:23:44]  And that, you know, we got to remember that BLM is started by a group of black lesbians, right?
[00:23:50]  And they're very clear about the fact that they're black lesbians and they're black lesbian Marxists.
[00:23:55]  So this is not something new.
[00:23:57]  This is not a tangent.
[00:23:59]  This is something that has fit together from the beginning.
[00:24:04]  Why is it important to note that they're black lesbians?
[00:24:09]  Well, because again, remember this white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, you know, all of that.
[00:24:18]  They're talking about their intersectional, interlocking, you know, positions of oppression.
[00:24:26]  And so they're black and they're female and they're lesbian.
[00:24:29]  That's three interlocking intersections of oppression for them.
[00:24:34]  And they're speaking from all three of those perspectives and others, if you will.
[00:24:39]  And that is how they view the world.
[00:24:42]  And so, Vaudi, we're seeing this now kind of bubble up to the surface because good people, I don't think, have fought enough against this evil of the trans social contagion that now go to our children.
[00:24:54]  So there has been a 10 times increase in young people that say they are trans, 10 times increase.
[00:25:03]  And so you and I would say that this is a social contagion from the pit of hell.
[00:25:08]  But the world, if you will, refuses to answer the question as, okay, why is there a 10 times increase?
[00:25:16]  They'll say, oh, it's because people are more comfortable than ever before.
[00:25:19]  That's garbage.
[00:25:20]  Okay.
[00:25:20]  It's that you are conditioning people via social media.
[00:25:24]  The main instrument of distribution is TikTok to get them to believe something that is not technically true.
[00:25:30]  Voter, your thoughts.
[00:25:32]  Yeah.
[00:25:32]  And I think one of the issues is that if we acknowledge the fact that this is a social contagion, people are afraid that eventually you'll get to the point where we start acknowledging the fact that this is not normative.
[00:25:48]  It's not normal.
[00:25:49]  It's not normative.
[00:25:50]  It's not okay.
[00:25:52]  And, you know, you can't, on the one hand, say this is completely normal.
[00:25:58]  You know, a man can't actually become a woman.
[00:26:02]  And that on the other hand, this is a social contagion and we need to do something about it.
[00:26:07]  They're really afraid that if you acknowledge that social contagion piece, that eventually we'll get to the heart of the issue and they'll lose ground.
[00:26:17]  How do we best fight it, especially in the church?
[00:26:20]  I'm not seeing, most churches are definitely not widely embracing it, but I'm certainly seeing a weakness set in.
[00:26:28]  I'm seeing a cowardice.
[00:26:29]  I'm seeing a reluctance to confront.
[00:26:32]  And, you know, I had one pastor who messaged me and they said, Charlie, we're all made in the image of God and we must love the trans person and that if they want to be something else, who am I to tell them to no longer be that?
[00:26:45]  And how would you respond to that?
[00:26:48]  I'd respond to that by, you know, a couple of things.
[00:26:51]  Number one, what we believe about transgenderism, for the most part, comes from the work of John Money and his twin study in 1965.
[00:27:02]  Yes.
[00:27:02]  And Kinsey.
[00:27:03]  Which was completely fraudulent.
[00:27:05]  Yes.
[00:27:05]  Which was completely fraudulent.
[00:27:07]  It was child abuse.
[00:27:08]  It resulted in detransition and suicide.
[00:27:13]  Right.
[00:27:14]  But by the time, you know, we find out that he was lying and that it was completely fraudulent, you'd had, what, 20 years or so of people using this as the gold standard to prove that gender is constructed.
[00:27:31]  So if you don't know about money's fraudulent work, and if you don't acknowledge it for what it is, then you don't realize that everything that we're doing now is a result of that fraudulent work, just like Kinsey's fraudulent work has us believing that people are sexualized from the time that they're children.
[00:27:53]  And so I think one of the things that we need to do is we need to expose these historical realities.
[00:28:00]  We need to inform people that these things have origins and that these origins are satanic, that these origins are abusive, and that children's lives are at stake.
[00:28:14]  So few people mention money and Kinsey, but it's important to know that in the 1900s, these two evil actors experimented with children.
[00:28:21]  Kinsey allowed six-month-olds to be raped and then documented the response of it.
[00:28:27]  That's not hyperbole.
[00:28:28]  That is a fact.
[00:28:29]  Kinsey is celebrated at several universities, including Indiana University at Bloomington.
[00:28:34]  They have a whole statue dedicated to him.
[00:28:36]  They have the Kinsey Center for Sexual Ethics at Indiana University.
[00:28:40]  John Money, the story that you were talking about, is very important.
[00:28:45]  There were two twins, and essentially, I don't remember all the circumstances, but he said, what would happen if we changed the gender of one of the twins?
[00:28:51]  And then he literally did something.
[00:28:54]  Well, there was a botched, there was a botched circle.
[00:28:56]  Yeah, that's correct.
[00:28:56]  Yeah.
[00:28:56]  There was a botched circle.
[00:28:57]  And then he said, we'll use this as a test case, right?
[00:29:00]  And it ended in complete just horror, right?
[00:29:06]  I mean, suicide, mental depression, so much of it.
[00:29:10]  And so then, Vodi, the American church, this shouldn't be a real controversial issue at all, right?
[00:29:19]  This shouldn't be one that we have to overthink.
[00:29:21]  In fact, I don't think we have the tape, but we have similar tapes, but there was a tape recently on MSNBC of someone who called themselves a minister next to someone who was trans.
[00:29:30]  I don't know if you saw this tape.
[00:29:31]  And the person said, I'm made in the image of God, right?
[00:29:34]  So I just, I get to change gender.
[00:29:37]  She made me in her image.
[00:29:38]  Yes, yes, yes.
[00:29:40]  So I saw it.
[00:29:41]  So your reaction to that.
[00:29:43]  Yeah, you know, I think this is the bridge too far.
[00:29:47]  I told you, there's a backlash.
[00:29:50]  And that backlash is picking up steam mainly because of this aspect of the movement.
[00:29:57]  Nobody wants to go here.
[00:30:01]  And everybody recognizes that this is a bridge too far.
[00:30:06]  I hope you're right because I mean, I'm getting a little jaded and cynical when I see parents bring their kids to Drag Queen Story Hour.
[00:30:14]  I hope that's the phrases and the hyper-radical minority.
[00:30:17]  I really do.
[00:30:18]  It really is.
[00:30:19]  And you'll notice, you'll remember.
[00:30:20]  I mean, the minister that you're talking about is Jim Wallace.
[00:30:24]  Jim Wallace is an apostate who's, you know, been exposed as such for decades now.
[00:30:31]  You're not seeing mainstream people, you know, touting this sort of thing.
[00:30:38]  You're more optimistic than I am, Bodhi.
[00:30:39]  So I'm going to take you for it because I trust you're analyzing.
[00:30:44]  Hey, there are thousands of prophets who haven't bothered to need a bail.
[00:30:49]  Check out SalemNow.com.
[00:30:51]  Just a little bit more about what you go into and what people can learn, what they will learn by going through this course.
[00:30:58]  The idea here is that we take a look at the main tenets of the book.
[00:31:03]  We look at them from, you know, from 35,000 feet, but we also get some real concrete examples of these sort of things happening.
[00:31:10]  And this is designed to have the discussion that the left says they want, but really don't.
[00:31:18]  This is a group study for people to be able to get into this, to define their terms and really talk about these issues and learn about these issues from a foundational, fundamental, and biblical perspective.
[00:31:33]  So what other false religions do you think that Christians need to be aware of, Vaudi?
[00:31:38]  I mean, the social justice one is also really big.
[00:31:41]  We didn't talk about that one as much.
[00:31:43]  Can you just riff a little on that?
[00:31:45]  Yeah.
[00:31:46]  The social justice one, I think, is the one that Christians and, well, Christians everywhere are most susceptible to, because we are about justice, right?
[00:31:56]  And if you don't know that social justice is redistributive justice, then you can have a tendency to sort of fall prey to that.
[00:32:06]  And I think that's what happened for a lot of people is that they fell prey to that.
[00:32:13]  You know, racial justice being sort of a subset of that, if you will.
[00:32:19]  And, you know, just buying the narrative that all disparities are the result of racism and injustice.
[00:32:28]  Again, these are things that people have fallen prey to, but, you know, by God's grace, can and will, and I think are sort of moving away from.
[00:32:39]  Again, there are some people who've been lost to this stuff.
[00:32:41]  There's some people who are just gone and they've apostatized.
[00:32:45]  But, you know, for the most part, people are waking up to this and it doesn't have enough steam.
[00:32:52]  Yeah.
[00:32:52]  And that will be the question, right?
[00:32:54]  Is are there enough decent and good people to reject this nonsense?
[00:32:58]  Just breaking news right now.
[00:33:00]  The Supreme Court rejects West Virginia's request to say that men are not allowed in female sports.
[00:33:06]  We have a lot of work to do because the Supreme Court, I mean, I'm sure it's some technical legal thing, but it shouldn't be a question at all in any way, shape, or form.
[00:33:14]  And so let me close here at three minutes remaining, Vodi.
[00:33:16]  For people that don't know the Lord, this is Easter.
[00:33:18]  Why does Easter matter?
[00:33:19]  Why is Christianity like every other religion?
[00:33:22]  I hear that from people.
[00:33:23]  Vaudi, a couple minutes, make the case.
[00:33:25]  Yeah, we do have that from people, you know, but all the other religions can basically be summed up like this.
[00:33:31]  You need to have a religious experience.
[00:33:33]  And then from that point on, do more good things than bad and hope for the best when you die.
[00:33:39]  That is an oversimplification, but not by much.
[00:33:42]  Christianity is unique in that Christianity has an answer for man's sin problem.
[00:33:49]  And that answer is the person and work of Jesus Christ.
[00:33:52]  Christ died for sin once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God.
[00:33:58]  The idea is that God is righteous and he is just and he must punish sin.
[00:34:02]  It has to be punished.
[00:34:04]  And the wages of sin is death.
[00:34:06]  And Christ paid that wage.
[00:34:09]  He died for sin.
[00:34:10]  He died as our substitute.
[00:34:13]  And because he's the God-man, because he's fully God and fully man, on the one hand, he could, you know, taste the wrath of God and survive.
[00:34:21]  But on the other hand, he could have our sin imputed to him as our representative and die and pay the price that we owed.
[00:34:30]  So that in him, we have God being both just and the justifier of the one who places faith in Jesus.
[00:34:38]  And the resurrection screams to us that that payment was satisfactory.
[00:34:43]  And it is our only hope.
[00:34:45]  Death is the last enemy, and we all face that last enemy.
[00:34:49]  Last time I checked, the death rate was one per person.
[00:34:52]  And the only sure answer that we have is the one who has overcome death and hell and the grave and who promises us that if we're found in him, we will overcome it as well.

=== The Resurrection as Hope (01:39) ===

[00:35:03]  And that's why Easter matters.
[00:35:05]  The resurrection is real.
[00:35:08]  The entire Christian faith hinges on the resurrection, and it happened.
[00:35:12]  By ancient and historical standards, it is by far the most documented event, not only by biblical, but also extra-biblical sources as well.
[00:35:22]  And I say this, the people that do not believe the resurrection, the burden of proof is on you to tell me then what happened to that body.
[00:35:30]  Because if you say it's stolen, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
[00:35:32]  Jesus never was actually crucified.
[00:35:34]  That doesn't make any sense.
[00:35:35]  So burden of proof is on you.
[00:35:37]  Tell me how a group of fishermen and a ragtag army of cowards were able to get past two Roman guards, roll the stone, and then move the body exactly.
[00:35:46]  Explain that to me.
[00:35:47]  And why would they do it?
[00:35:48]  Because actually against core Jewish theology to actually have a resurrection of man before the end of time.
[00:35:54]  So explain that way to me.
[00:35:55]  And they can't because it's true and the resurrection happened and it changed the world.
[00:35:59]  And why hold on to that lie to the point of death?
[00:36:02]  That's exactly right.
[00:36:03]  And they did not gain sex, money, or power for that quote-unquote lie.
[00:36:07]  In fact, all of them at the very point of death died horrendous, torturous deaths and refused to get away from what they knew was true.
[00:36:15]  Easter changed the world.
[00:36:17]  And I encourage the audience to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
[00:36:20]  Vodi, thank you so much.
[00:36:21]  Everyone, go to SalemNow.com.
[00:36:23]  Thank you so much.
[00:36:24]  It's been my pleasure, man.
[00:36:25]  Thank you.
[00:36:26]  Happy Easter.
[00:36:29]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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