The Charlie Kirk Show - After Wisconsin, What Now? with Tyler Bowyer and Darren Beattie
Aired: 2023-04-06
Duration: 36:01


=== Winning The Ground Game (14:29) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, Tana Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:02]  We lost in Wisconsin.
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[00:00:22]  Buckle up, everybody.
[00:00:23]  Here we go.
[00:00:24]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:26]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
[00:00:28]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:31]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:35]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:36]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:37]  His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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[00:01:06]  Joining us now is Tyler Boyer, Turning Point Action.
[00:01:09]  People listen to Tyler.
[00:01:10]  The country would be freer.
[00:01:11]  Tyler, welcome back.
[00:01:12]  Hey, Charlie.
[00:01:14]  Yesterday was an awful day.
[00:01:15]  Chicago aside, I'm going to cover that later.
[00:01:17]  The arraignment, we did a whole hour on that.
[00:01:19]  But Wisconsin, I mean, we tried to warn people we were on the ground at Turning Point Action.
[00:01:23]  What did the RNC do in Wisconsin?
[00:01:26]  Well, look, I want to make this abundantly clear.
[00:01:29]  Our regional manager that's in Wisconsin is the first vice chair of the Milwaukee GOP.
[00:01:34]  The Milwaukee GOP now has more conservative leadership than it's ever had.
[00:01:38]  And our other representative is the Dane County GOP chair, just barely elected.
[00:01:43]  I mean, these guys got elected just like weeks ago.
[00:01:46]  And so they have eyes on the ground.
[00:01:48]  They have knowledge.
[00:01:48]  They're in the middle of everything, the two largest counties.
[00:01:52]  And the word on the ground is not enough is being done.
[00:01:56]  And we saw and we heard the Democrats have spent tens of millions of dollars in Wisconsin.
[00:02:02]  Well, the question is: well, what are they spending the money on?
[00:02:05]  Well, there's two buckets.
[00:02:07]  Bucket number one is the Democrats are spending money on making sure that they get the TV, right?
[00:02:11]  The TV buys.
[00:02:13]  And then bucket number two is they're getting the GO TV operation, aka the ballot chasing operation, to make sure that their lower propensity voters are getting turned in.
[00:02:23]  So what did the RNC do?
[00:02:26]  Look, I'm not here to speak on behalf of the RNC, but I can just tell you, obviously, with the results that we saw, not enough.
[00:02:34]  And this is the problem that we have right now in the movement that we've been saying over and over and over, that we've been warning about, which is this conversation, which is you can't tell everyone you're going to do the entire job and then not do the job.
[00:02:46]  And so the argument that's being had, they did nothing.
[00:02:49]  Everybody RNC did.
[00:02:50]  The RNC cannot tell people they're going to do it all and then not do it.
[00:02:55]  Yeah, but they didn't do anything.
[00:02:57]  Where was the rallying cry?
[00:02:58]  Where was the unification of the movement?
[00:03:00]  There wasn't a single major person that came from out of state.
[00:03:02]  So the only people that were actually doing work on the ground, rally-wise, notoriety-wise, was Scott Pressler, who with Early Vote Action, who we work with at Turning Point Action.
[00:03:13]  And then our Turning Point Action staff was doing things.
[00:03:15]  Smaller groups that are in the grassroots groups of great patriots were doing things, but there was no national entity help.
[00:03:24]  And the Democrats injected $40, $50 million into the state.
[00:03:30]  And the question is, where did all that money go?
[00:03:32]  Well, Charlie, we estimate they had probably close to 500 full-time people chasing ballots.
[00:03:39]  Yeah, and just in hard money, it was $12 million for the Democrat, $12 million for the Democrat, $2 million for the Republican, $45 million total spent.
[00:03:50]  It was about an eight-to-one advantage, Democrat versus Republican.
[00:03:53]  Now, why does this race matter?
[00:03:55]  The Wisconsin Supreme Court is now a liberal Supreme Court.
[00:03:58]  It was conservative.
[00:03:59]  By one vote.
[00:04:00]  Yeah.
[00:04:00]  So now signature verification, drop boxes, early voting periods, ballot custody, chain of custody.
[00:04:08]  And so the RNC did nothing.
[00:04:10]  They sent out a couple of tweets.
[00:04:12]  Okay.
[00:04:13]  I don't know what they spend their money on.
[00:04:14]  Now Mark Elias is licking his chops to come in to go do a flurry of lawsuits that the Wisconsin Supreme Court will be willing to be open to.
[00:04:24]  So zucker boxes, mail-in ballots.
[00:04:28]  And this is what the left's figured out, right?
[00:04:30]  Which is like, if we can win races that the Republicans don't care about, right?
[00:04:34]  Which is like Supreme Court races and election board races and county races, right?
[00:04:39]  Which they're not going to fund.
[00:04:41]  Because why?
[00:04:42]  What incentive does Mitch McConnell have to fund these races?
[00:04:45]  What incentive does the RNC have?
[00:04:48]  I mean, I'll tell you, they'll say, well, that's not our job.
[00:04:50]  I mean, I've heard this time and time again.
[00:04:52]  That's not our job.
[00:04:53]  Well, it is your job if you gobble up all of the money and tell everyone that you're going to take care of these states, that we must win in order to win the presidency.
[00:05:01]  At the end of the day, the numbers are this.
[00:05:03]  And this is why this is so infuriating, Charlie.
[00:05:05]  Yep.
[00:05:06]  We have been saying for a long, long time now, for over a year, you have just overtly, you have three states that matter the most: Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona.
[00:05:16]  The pathway to the presidency goes through these.
[00:05:18]  So if I, and again, this is, this is for everybody, because if I'm Trump or if I'm DeSantis or I'm whoever else, right, I should care about this too.
[00:05:26]  Because if we don't win the Supreme Court race, am I more likely to become president?
[00:05:31]  I don't think they think that way.
[00:05:32]  I know they don't, actually.
[00:05:33]  Well, people aren't telling them that.
[00:05:36]  Talk to them every day.
[00:05:37]  Tell them this is not a mystery.
[00:05:38]  I went, I mean, it's again, we're in total harmony here.
[00:05:42]  I went on Tim Pool's show and I walked through it and I got messages.
[00:05:45]  Wow, I never thought of it that way.
[00:05:46]  Well, you never thought it that way.
[00:05:48]  This is not, it's statistical rules of the game.
[00:05:50]  It's just there's only one way to win the White House, basically, and you're not going to win it through Pennsylvania.
[00:05:54]  It's not going to happen.
[00:05:55]  It's 270 votes to win, right?
[00:05:56]  Electoral votes.
[00:05:58]  Correct.
[00:05:58]  And so Pennsylvania is like, is a John Fetterman state.
[00:06:02]  So if you want to rely on Pennsylvania to like, you know, sail that thing across, it's not going to happen.
[00:06:07]  So you have three states.
[00:06:08]  You have Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia.
[00:06:10]  Wisconsin and Georgia are statistically the most necessary in order to win the presidency.
[00:06:16]  Like 71%, I think.
[00:06:18]  I tweeted it out last year, right?
[00:06:20]  And I retweeted probably about once a month.
[00:06:23]  But this is the problem: if you care about winning those states, you have to provide the resources, the ground game to do it.
[00:06:30]  So if the RNC is going to tell everyone, we've got the ground game.
[00:06:33]  We're the best suited to do the ground game.
[00:06:35]  And then donors at the national level don't give anyone else money to go do the ground game and you lose, then you're not the best of the ground game.
[00:06:43]  Yeah.
[00:06:43]  So the RNC still raised $25 million last quarter.
[00:06:46]  That's low for them, but that means a lot of you probably still have recurring donations.
[00:06:51]  You guys have to go through your credit card statements and cancel your donations to the RNC.
[00:06:55]  It is a waste of money.
[00:06:57]  So they raised $25 million last quarter.
[00:06:59]  How much did they spend on the Wisconsin Supreme Court seat?
[00:07:01]  Yeah, that's TBD.
[00:07:03]  Again, probably nothing.
[00:07:06]  Here's the reality.
[00:07:07]  It doesn't matter how much you spend.
[00:07:09]  They could spend $100 million in a state.
[00:07:12]  And if it's not making sure that we have 50% of the TV buys, look, I'll tell you this.
[00:07:17]  The national GOP has a job, in my opinion.
[00:07:19]  The simple job is this.
[00:07:21]  Make sure that our Republican candidates in the most important elections have 50% of the TV time.
[00:07:28]  That's it.
[00:07:28]  Just start there, right?
[00:07:30]  Guess who's not doing that job?
[00:07:31]  Mitch McConnell's not doing that job.
[00:07:33]  The RNC's job really isn't to buy TV.
[00:07:35]  But if Mitch McConnell's not doing it and the NRSC is not doing it and the NRCC is not doing it, then we're not doing our job at the national level.
[00:07:42]  And the RNC needs to chide these people until that gets done.
[00:07:46]  That's number one.
[00:07:47]  Number two is the ground game.
[00:07:48]  Well, what the Democrats figured out a long time ago, on the totem pole of relevancy, the DNC is way down on the totem pole, right?
[00:07:56]  Because they realize every two years, it's new leadership.
[00:07:59]  And so it's, you can't build, imagine having to, as a corporation, people have run businesses, even small businesses, right?
[00:08:06]  If you had to blow up your entire corporation every two years and start over.
[00:08:10]  That's what we do in the party, whether you're the Democrat Party or the Republican Party or whatever, you know, you have to do that.
[00:08:16]  So, what the Democrats figured out a long time ago, invest into these organizations.
[00:08:21]  They're going to be around for decades.
[00:08:22]  Of course.
[00:08:23]  Yeah.
[00:08:23]  And they did that.
[00:08:24]  So 15 years ago, they started doing that.
[00:08:26]  And guess what?
[00:08:27]  They started winning things and they're like, wow, this is like Moneyball.
[00:08:30]  Have you ever watched the movie Moneyball?
[00:08:31]  Yeah, with Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill.
[00:08:33]  It's statistics.
[00:08:35]  It's like, if I put X amount of dollars here for ballot chasing, ballot harvesting, right?
[00:08:41]  Am I more likely to have the outcome?
[00:08:43]  And there's a lot of people that are listeners right now, I can tell you.
[00:08:46]  Election integrity is number one.
[00:08:48]  But how did they get to the place where they could manipulate election integrity?
[00:08:51]  They won these small races by ballot chasing and making sure that a few ballots, a few thousand ballots got in here and there.
[00:08:58]  And so a lot of people are losing their minds, though, Charlie, right now.
[00:09:00]  There's a lot of people that are out there, a lot of people listening right now who are saying, they can manipulate everything.
[00:09:07]  You can't win.
[00:09:08]  You can't be this.
[00:09:09]  My argument to you is that's not exactly true.
[00:09:12]  Yes, they're manipulating to a certain extent, 100%.
[00:09:15]  But the other side of this is they're not investing $20, $30, $40 million every election to ballot chase for their own health, right?
[00:09:24]  If the Democrats didn't have to invest $20, $30 million into these races, they wouldn't do it.
[00:09:29]  They're doing it because it actually works.
[00:09:32]  If you break down the numbers, look at Wisconsin here.
[00:09:35]  We lost by how many votes?
[00:09:37]  300,000-ish.
[00:09:39]  Well, no, I'm sorry, that's less than that.
[00:09:41]  It's like 200,000.
[00:09:42]  About 200,000 votes.
[00:09:43]  Yeah.
[00:09:44]  10 points, but 200.
[00:09:45]  If you have 500 staff, full-time staff, and I'm giving an average for the rest of the country, but 30 days of early balloting, if each of those staff members is responsible for 10 votes a day, which is legitimate, like it's legitimately possible, you're accruing about 150,000 votes that you normally wouldn't get.
[00:10:04]  So they're a plus 150.
[00:10:06]  We're a minus 150 because we're not doing any of that work.
[00:10:08]  Correct.
[00:10:09]  And that's a 300,000 vote delta.
[00:10:11]  The RNC does none of this.
[00:10:12]  The DC Unit Party does none of this, none of it.
[00:10:15]  And this is a completely foreign concept to them.
[00:10:18]  But they're going to keep begging you for money, everybody, so that they can buy more flowers and buy more donor mementos.
[00:10:24]  We try to do regime change at the RNC.
[00:10:26]  I know so many of you supported us wonderfully.
[00:10:27]  Tyler did a great job.
[00:10:28]  Why did we try to support regime change?
[00:10:30]  Because we knew this was going to happen.
[00:10:32]  I'm not a doomsday guy.
[00:10:33]  I'm not.
[00:10:34]  I'm an optimist as long as we act.
[00:10:36]  But I'll be very honest.
[00:10:37]  Our chance of winning the White House in 2024 has now decreased significantly because the RNC and the Republican Unit Party could not be bothered to engage in Wisconsin.
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[00:11:31]  Oh, Charlie, you're being so unfair.
[00:11:33]  That's not the what is the RNC's role exactly?
[00:11:35]  Why do you raise so much money?
[00:11:36]  Why does all this money go to DC?
[00:11:38]  By the way, they have a headquarters in DC, don't they, Tyler?
[00:11:40]  Yep.
[00:11:41]  Why do they have it?
[00:11:42]  Why does no, somebody asked me the question.
[00:11:44]  I'd love to get a call from the RNC.
[00:11:45]  Please, you guys have my phone number.
[00:11:47]  Why do you have an office in DC?
[00:11:48]  What is the answer?
[00:11:49]  I will tell you this.
[00:11:52]  They actually incorporated in DC last year.
[00:11:58]  And I stood up and asked them why.
[00:12:00]  And I said it would make way more sense to incorporate Florida.
[00:12:03]  But that's a whole other conversation.
[00:12:04]  Why don't you have an office in Wisconsin and Georgia and Arizona?
[00:12:07]  Yeah.
[00:12:08]  It doesn't make any sense.
[00:12:09]  That would be helpful.
[00:12:10]  They're not a lobbying organization.
[00:12:12]  That's what Harmeet was saying.
[00:12:13]  They should just be trying to win votes in the swing state.
[00:12:15]  That's what Harmeet was saying.
[00:12:16]  It'd be much better to send $100 million through those three swing states than through D.C.
[00:12:21]  Okay, so that's a side note.
[00:12:24]  They obviously didn't do it.
[00:12:25]  It's not just about the RNC, though, everybody.
[00:12:27]  I mean, we tried our best on this program, but conservative media wouldn't really be bothered.
[00:12:32]  Bannon, to his credit, covered it, right?
[00:12:35]  Pressler, but most of the conservative movement didn't really get into this race.
[00:12:39]  This is why the Democrats are pummeling us, guys, is that they saw blood on the water.
[00:12:44]  Wow, chance to flip the Supreme Court.
[00:12:46]  They spent, they outspent us 10 to 1.
[00:12:49]  Yep.
[00:12:49]  10 to 1.
[00:12:50]  And this isn't unique to Wisconsin.
[00:12:52]  This is Arizona, Georgia.
[00:12:54]  Guess what, guys?
[00:12:55]  Once they've established this in Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, guess where else they're moving to?
[00:13:00]  Tennessee.
[00:13:01]  Yep.
[00:13:02]  To beyond, I mean, they're in Iowa.
[00:13:05]  They're going to make sure that they get this thing going.
[00:13:07]  Idaho.
[00:13:08]  They got a big Idaho project.
[00:13:09]  What Democrats figured out a long time ago was there's too many X factors that are out there that they can't put their thumb on in places like Ohio and Florida and even Texas, right?
[00:13:21]  So a lot of people are worried about Texas.
[00:13:22]  Those three states are actually more in our direction.
[00:13:24]  They're more in our direction.
[00:13:25]  And they're retreating.
[00:13:26]  Democrats are retreating.
[00:13:27]  Because they can't control the populism, right?
[00:13:29]  They can't control the narrative.
[00:13:31]  And they can't control old patriots in Florida for voting Republicans.
[00:13:34]  But guess what they can't control?
[00:13:35]  They can control a state that has a really weak judicial system, a really weak county system.
[00:13:41]  And a declining population.
[00:13:42]  Very little, low, very low amount of money that's injected into these local races.
[00:13:48]  And so Wisconsin, boom, easy.
[00:13:51]  Arizona was boom, easy.
[00:13:53]  Here in Arizona, so few people spend so much money.
[00:13:56]  People don't realize that.
[00:13:56]  It was like, it's such an underfunded state.
[00:13:59]  Like right now, we're super underfunded.
[00:14:02]  And that's the same thing with Georgia, too.
[00:14:05]  Georgia was in the same place because it was like, we got really complacent.
[00:14:09]  So let's focus on what the left is doing, though.
[00:14:12]  I don't know if we could throw up those images.
[00:14:15]  Yes, which one?
[00:14:15]  Do you want the Annie Oakley one or do you want the other one?
[00:14:17]  Yeah, let's just throw that up real quick.
[00:14:18]  Throw up the Annie Oakley, the tweet.
[00:14:21]  In Wisconsin, the Democrats are paying people $250 to canvas for them.
[00:14:25]  I've gotten two text messages about it.
[00:14:27]  So let me explain.
[00:14:27]  I'm going to explain the broad base.

=== Underfunded Local Races (04:22) ===

[00:14:29]  You got two minutes.
[00:14:29]  So just conversation about this.
[00:14:30]  Get right into it.
[00:14:31]  Because what people don't realize is this, is how Democrats are winning is they're building the infrastructure of ballot harvesting, ballot chasing in the states where they can do it.
[00:14:40]  I sometimes call it ballot tracking, right?
[00:14:42]  They know the votes that are out there.
[00:14:44]  So why have they pushed for mail-in ballots?
[00:14:46]  This is why we all hate mail-in ballots, right?
[00:14:48]  It's because if they flood the system, flood the zone with mail-in ballots, then all they have to do is inject $20, $30, $40 million worth of capital into a state and they can go basically pick up those ballots.
[00:14:58]  Community organizing.
[00:14:59]  It's Obama's.
[00:15:00]  It's community organizing.
[00:15:01]  We've never invested into that in the Republican Party.
[00:15:04]  So on that tweet that you saw, and there's another image.
[00:15:07]  Yeah, so put up the next one, please.
[00:15:10]  We need a progressive majority on the Supreme Court.
[00:15:12]  I'll read this.
[00:15:13]  Hi, it's Blank from Wisconsin Takes Action.
[00:15:15]  We're helping elect the progressive majority of the Supreme Court.
[00:15:18]  We're offering an opportunity for you to earn $250 by talking to your friends and family about voting.
[00:15:23]  So basically what the Democrats have done, they've built technology.
[00:15:27]  It's not even, it's not like mind-blowing technology.
[00:15:30]  It's just basic technology to put in the hands of voters, right?
[00:15:34]  So you, if I message you, I say upload all your contacts from your phone, right?
[00:15:39]  And Republicans are less likely to do this, but young liberals are more likely, right?
[00:15:44]  And so they upload all their contacts.
[00:15:46]  And then on that, on that application, you go through and start identifying if they're liberal or they're conservative.
[00:15:52]  Well, why would you do that, Charlie?
[00:15:54]  Well, because then why would you identify as liberal conservative?
[00:15:57]  Then you know who to GO TV and who to contact and who to communicate with.
[00:16:01]  And most young people are now registering as what?
[00:16:04]  Independent or Democrat.
[00:16:06]  Independent or they're like mostly independent.
[00:16:08]  Party not defined, right?
[00:16:09]  Same their religious affiliates.
[00:16:10]  So the Democrats don't know who are more liberal, right?
[00:16:13]  They don't want to go knock on a door and try to collect a ballot for a potential Republican, right?
[00:16:17]  A potential Republican vote.
[00:16:19]  So these votes, you're uploading your contacts, identifying who's more liberal.
[00:16:23]  And then guess what?
[00:16:25]  Knocks on your door.
[00:16:26]  Hey, Charlie just sent me over to come help you turn in your ballot.
[00:16:31]  Oh, he did?
[00:16:31]  Charlie, who?
[00:16:32]  Charlie Kirk, your friend.
[00:16:34]  And they're going, oh, okay, I trust you more.
[00:16:37]  Tell me how to vote.
[00:16:38]  Oh, you'll take my ballot for me?
[00:16:39]  Oh, you'll walk me to my mailbox.
[00:16:40]  You can't touch the ballot in some of these states, but you can.
[00:16:43]  In some states, you can.
[00:16:44]  Yeah, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona.
[00:16:46]  I don't know if you can.
[00:16:46]  But you cannot in Arizona.
[00:16:48]  In Wisconsin, I believe you cannot, but you can walk them to their mailbox.
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[00:18:42]  Tyler, I want to kind of close the loop on this.
[00:18:43]  Let me read an email.
[00:18:44]  Charlie, I never ever write in, big fan though.
[00:18:47]  Here is a novel idea.
[00:18:48]  No use complaining about Rana.
[00:18:50]  She's a Romney, waste of time.

=== Hiring Tyler To Fix It (10:06) ===

[00:18:51]  Let's raise money and tell Rana we want to have it earmarked to hire Tyler for two straight years to straighten this out.
[00:18:56]  He knows it needs to get done.
[00:18:58]  Keep up the great work.
[00:18:58]  Do not use my email, my name in the email.
[00:19:01]  We didn't.
[00:19:01]  So we're getting a lot of emails on that, but I do want to just compliment where Tyler's at.
[00:19:06]  Look, we have a lot going on in the turning point machine.
[00:19:08]  Tyler's dedicating his life and his what's remaining of his young age and his vitality, right?
[00:19:16]  To a largely thankless endeavor, which is this.
[00:19:23]  He's basically, Tyler says, look, turning point action, in harmony with all our turning point initiatives, we're going to become the most sophisticated ballot chasing operation, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, right?
[00:19:36]  We're going to raise tons of capital.
[00:19:37]  We're going to hire the people, right?
[00:19:39]  Building the first ever conservative ballot chasing army.
[00:19:41]  Yep.
[00:19:42]  It's a thankless endeavor.
[00:19:44]  We already have some donors that are giving money towards it, right?
[00:19:47]  We had one donor give a million bucks, which is great and helps getting there.
[00:19:50]  By the way, this is not a guaranteed victory.
[00:19:53]  This is the only way we can get close to victory.
[00:19:55]  Do you agree with that, Tyler?
[00:19:56]  I mean, let's just explain this again.
[00:19:58]  This is part of the problem, right?
[00:20:00]  So, there's going to be, there's been a lot of people who have made promises to do things that are going to win elections.
[00:20:06]  At the end of the day, we now know what wins elections for Democrats.
[00:20:09]  One is manipulating the elections, which they can only do if they take over your boards, your judiciary, right?
[00:20:16]  Which is what they just did in Wisconsin.
[00:20:18]  Once you're past that, your only viable option for success is putting eyes on the field and everywhere you can.
[00:20:25]  So, a lot of people are like, well, what's election integrity?
[00:20:28]  Well, you know what?
[00:20:28]  Election integrity looks a lot like for us is if we had a thousand people on the ground in Arizona who could put eyes on these houses that they're trying to use to manipulate.
[00:20:38]  So, but you're saying volunteers are not necessarily enough.
[00:20:42]  Volunteers are, we're ahead of the game.
[00:20:45]  We're almost winning elections as the Republican Party and conservatives in a lot of places with better candidates than we've ever had in some places, right?
[00:20:52]  Like in Arizona, we had better candidates that were more ideologically centered than anyone that we've ever had before.
[00:20:58]  Now, the problem is, is that we don't have the ground troops in the army.
[00:21:01]  Our volunteers are not enough.
[00:21:03]  The Democrats pay full-time people $60,000 a year to go out and get these ballots.
[00:21:09]  Now, the question is, how do you build that?
[00:21:12]  Who can build that?
[00:21:13]  Well, there's, you know, again, this is where we fill the mantle, right?
[00:21:16]  Turning point is the only ecosystem that probably can recruit enough people full-time to do this work.
[00:21:24]  It's a lot of young people, a lot of retirees, right?
[00:21:27]  A lot of our retirees, unfortunately, have not culturally understood what we're talking about, right?
[00:21:32]  So their mindframe is in a different mindset.
[00:21:35]  So it's retraining activism in the conservative movement.
[00:21:38]  Changing the muscle memory.
[00:21:39]  Well, and that's hard to do for a lot of our senior activists, right?
[00:21:45]  And they're doing a great job too.
[00:21:46]  They're carrying the party.
[00:21:47]  Make no mistake.
[00:21:48]  Our baby boomers are carrying the party in a lot of these states.
[00:21:51]  It's these young people now that we have to train, make sure that we train out of the gate to have this mindset of like, we've got to compete with Democrats on the ground now and teach them properly so we can actually win these elections.
[00:22:02]  And it's super precise.
[00:22:04]  Look, I mean, I could tell you right now.
[00:22:05]  It's numbers.
[00:22:06]  Yeah, I'm doing everything I can to raise capital for this effort.
[00:22:09]  And we're not here to even ask you guys for money.
[00:22:11]  If you want to give, it's tpaction.com.
[00:22:12]  That's not what we're doing this.
[00:22:13]  Okay.
[00:22:14]  You guys are getting asked by enough money.
[00:22:15]  But if you feel compelled to do it, so be it.
[00:22:17]  The bigger picture, though, is: are we going to continue to do the thing that is making us fall short?
[00:22:24]  Or are we going to actually engage in the same sort of arena that the Democrats are?
[00:22:29]  Because right now, what we are doing is not working.
[00:22:33]  It is a failed strategy by the RNC and by all these different Republican DC groups.
[00:22:40]  So Tyler, just for a second here, can you just build out why it's the RNC will almost never do this despite them saying they do it?
[00:22:48]  It's against the fiber of the RNC to actually do grassroots work, isn't it?
[00:22:52]  It's just impossible, right?
[00:22:53]  Because again, the RNC only operates basically on a two-year cycle here, right?
[00:22:59]  So Rana is only in for two years at a time.
[00:23:02]  So what does that mean?
[00:23:03]  If you replace the RNC chair every two years, that means all your staff overturns every two years.
[00:23:07]  Well, how long does it?
[00:23:08]  I'm just, I'm just walking you through it.
[00:23:09]  How long does it take to hire someone?
[00:23:11]  It takes months to hire someone into a senior level position.
[00:23:14]  So if you become the RNC chair in January, it takes you months to organize your, and this is, this is not, I'm not giving Rana a pass because she's been in for six plus years.
[00:23:23]  So she should already have all this organized, right?
[00:23:25]  But like it takes you months and months to organize this.
[00:23:28]  So now you're only a year out from the election.
[00:23:31]  Well, if you're only a year out from the election, you have no time then you've got to build all this.
[00:23:35]  And if you're out fundraising, you have to raise the money to spend the money.
[00:23:39]  There's not enough time in the two years.
[00:23:42]  So what has the left figured out?
[00:23:43]  They figured out that's a bad model.
[00:23:47]  We have to subjugate the Democrat Party to these other outside groups who will build all these things.
[00:23:55]  Democracy Alliance, Arabella Advisors.
[00:23:59]  And Arabella will make sure they get funded when Democracy Advisors say this is what we need in this key state.
[00:24:04]  Soros, Bezos, McKenzie, Palja, Lorene Paljobs, I'm sorry, Mackenzie Bezos, Reid Hoffman.
[00:24:10]  They're writing blanket shit.
[00:24:11]  But they do it in harmony, right?
[00:24:12]  So there's kind of a Democrat war council of these billionaire oligarchs that bundle their money and pool it together and they have accountability.
[00:24:20]  And so they'll go fund, you know, progressive door-knocking organization A, Wisconsin, and it's accountable and they can give unlimited, whereas to the DNC, you only can give up to $800,000.
[00:24:33]  And it's statistical.
[00:24:34]  They're tracking everything.
[00:24:35]  And then guess what?
[00:24:36]  When the screw-up DNC chair gets kicked out, that organization still exists.
[00:24:42]  That's still doing the job because they're not relying on the DNC to have to figure it out every two years.
[00:24:47]  Yep.
[00:24:47]  That's how they used to operate.
[00:24:49]  And they realized that's a stupid model.
[00:24:51]  That's right.
[00:24:52]  And so now with us, like if you look at this, the Wisconsin gubernatorial race, Tim Michaels lost by 90,000 votes.
[00:24:58]  Yeah.
[00:24:59]  Do you know how many full-time knockers that is for us with going out and knocking to Chase ballots?
[00:25:06]  I mean, we're talking less than a couple hundred full-time employees, right?
[00:25:11]  That's right.
[00:25:12]  And so, look, it's an ambitious project.
[00:25:14]  This is the only way anybody who tells you differently, and I just want to close with this: we are not pessimists, we're not doomsdayers, we're not apocalypse people.
[00:25:22]  But if things continue as they are with this Wisconsin news, I don't care how big the rallies are, I don't care how popular Trump is, we will fall short.
[00:25:31]  We got to know that and do something so that we can win.
[00:25:35]  Tyler, thank you so much.
[00:25:36]  TPaction.com over time.
[00:25:38]  I think it was important.
[00:25:39]  Joining us now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.
[00:25:42]  I encourage you guys to check it out.
[00:25:43]  Darren, how's it going?
[00:25:45]  Excellent.
[00:25:46]  Great to be here as always.
[00:25:48]  So, Darren, several topics and stories.
[00:25:49]  What is your initial reaction to the crossing of the Rubicon, the arraignment of Trump?
[00:25:54]  Your thoughts?
[00:25:56]  Well, it's incredibly significant for obvious reasons.
[00:26:00]  I think, however surprising it might be and however powerfully it represents this new phase of dystopia that we're in, I think it is important to point out that it was always kind of in the works.
[00:26:15]  I think of it as an inevitable result, inevitable culmination of the energies unleashed in 2016 when Trump ran against the coordinated opposition of every single powerful institution in the country, and he won and he humiliated the regime in doing so.
[00:26:38]  And ever since then, there's been this phenomenon of Trump derangement syndrome.
[00:26:44]  It defies any attempt at kind of strategic discipline.
[00:26:50]  Many people rightly point out that this helps Trump politically.
[00:26:54]  That's not really even relevant to this.
[00:26:58]  It's not about any kind of strategy.
[00:27:01]  It's about giving vent to giving a tangible expression to this underlying emotional response, this hysteria, this term used in another context.
[00:27:17]  It's a kind of mass psychosis event.
[00:27:20]  And this is, if not a culmination, clearly a dramatic and critical inflection point in this whole process of the regime doing everything that it could possibly think of to silence, suppress, neutralize, ultimately destroy not only Donald Trump, but the energies associated with his movement and his victory in 2016.
[00:27:48]  Well, therefore, how should we respond, Darren?
[00:27:50]  What is the way that our movement should respond to this?
[00:27:53]  Well, I mean, that's a very big and important question that lends itself to a lot of kind of easy and fake answers, easy and potentially satisfying and fake answers, but it really evades any real and meaningful answer, at least in the short term.
[00:28:21]  I mean, we're in a very weaponized environment.
[00:28:24]  We've moved from deplatforming in the sense of the regime taking people off of social media for opinions they don't like or getting them kicked out of their bank accounts so they're not able to earn a livelihood by expressing opinions the regime doesn't like.
[00:28:45]  We moved into the next stage of deplatforming through the criminal justice process, through the weaponization of the Department of Justice, putting people in prison.
[00:28:55]  That's the next stage of deplatforming.

=== Imprisoning Political Opposition (07:03) ===

[00:28:58]  You don't just see hints of it with this unprecedented indictment of a former president and current frontrunner for president for the nomination of the GOP.
[00:29:08]  You see it in things like what happened with the case we've talked about from the very beginning, the case of Doug Mackey, who unfortunately was not only indicted for memes against Hillary Clinton, he was subject to a felony conviction.
[00:29:28]  No, we actually haven't updated our audience on that.
[00:29:31]  Douglas Mackey, a young man who created memes and some jokes in the 2016 election, has now been convicted and faces, what, a decade, decade and a half in prison, Darren?
[00:29:43]  10 years?
[00:29:43]  10 years.
[00:29:43]  10 years of making memes.
[00:29:45]  And 10 years for making memes.
[00:29:49]  In some ways, this is an argument I've not heard people make, is that they were building towards the Trump indictment for quite a while, raiding O'Keefe, raiding Giuliani, Bannon, then they're going Michael Flynn all the way up, and then they crossed to Trump.
[00:30:10]  This has been building.
[00:30:11]  Douglas Mackey, the case, it's one of the most outrageous convictions.
[00:30:15]  He made a meme in 2016.
[00:30:18]  This young man, this Trump supporter, in a Soviet-style show trial, faces a decade in prison.
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[00:31:19]  Darren Beattie tweets, quote, breaking senior Biden State Department officials boldly protest political weaponization of Justice Department condemns a, quote, escalating pattern of arrests against perceived critics of the government.
[00:31:32]  Oh, wait, never mind.
[00:31:33]  That was Biden talking about Tunisia, Darren.
[00:31:37]  Indeed, indeed.
[00:31:38]  You know, it's all part of this banana republic reference.
[00:31:41]  And what's really hilarious, darkly ironic, at least, about the whole thing is that Imprisoning political opposition is not simply something that we associate with the quote-unquote third world.
[00:31:56]  It's something that our State Department and diplomatic force routinely condemns when it's practiced in other countries.
[00:32:06]  And one of the recent pieces on Revolver News is sort of a compilation of various high-profile, semi-high-profile cases of the U.S. government, Biden officials, State Department officials condemning foreign nations for imprisoning political opposition.
[00:32:27]  So, one example was Tunisia.
[00:32:29]  There are a bunch of other examples, but it's funny, there's a twist at the end of the article, which I'll give away because still there's a lot of great content in it.
[00:32:37]  The twist is when Zelensky penalized and imprisoned his political opposition, the U.S. State Department actually called it an encouraging step toward democracy.
[00:32:51]  So, I guess with Ukraine and with the United States, it all gets down to the who-whom question.
[00:32:59]  That's really what determines everything else, whether it's an expression of democracy or whether it's a dangerous trend toward what they call democratic backsliding.
[00:33:10]  All depends on whether the U.S. regime and the corrupt officials in it approve of the person doing it or not.
[00:33:19]  And in the case of poor Douglas Mackey, the Biden regime does not approve.
[00:33:24]  And in the case of Donald Trump, who has challenged and humiliated the system more than anyone else, perhaps in American history, this system most emphatically does not approve.
[00:33:37]  And so, this is what you get.
[00:33:39]  This is the phase we're in.
[00:33:41]  We've moved from the deplatforming phase of shutting people up to shutting people down by putting them in prison.
[00:33:48]  If Nicaragua arrested a former president, a leading broadcaster, humorist, and satirist, and raided the home of an investigated reporter, we would have UN hearings and potential sanctions against Nicaragua.
[00:34:04]  When our government has Steve Bannon, leading broadcaster, investigative reporter, James O'Keefe, the former president, President Trump, and humorist and satirist, Douglas Mackey, all under criminal indictment and conviction, we're told it's democracy.
[00:34:21]  If this was happening in another country, we would potentially mobilize the Central Intelligence Agency and tell them that this is undemocratic, and yet it's happening right here.
[00:34:32]  Of course, unless it was Ukraine.
[00:34:34]  If it was Ukraine, then we'll see.
[00:34:35]  Indeed, yeah, there are exceptions.
[00:34:38]  There are exceptions, but absolutely so.
[00:34:42]  As always, it's the insult added to the injury.
[00:34:46]  The underlying injury is the complete erosion of democratic norms, complete evaporation of any of the principles of liberty originally envisaged by our founders.
[00:34:59]  But the injury, the insult added to that injury is the enduring and in this case, manifestly ridiculous hypocrisy whereby we, at least, our elected representatives and key government officials still dare to look themselves in the mirror and say they represent a free country.
[00:35:23]  It's a total farce.
[00:35:24]  It's a dangerous trajectory.
[00:35:27]  And we've crossed the Rubicon.
[00:35:30]  There's no going back.
[00:35:31]  We've crossed the Rubicon and we've stepped into the gulag.
[00:35:35]  I think we should all read Sol Shenitsyn and Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler and a little Kafka if you're looking for a compass.
[00:35:42]  Darren, thank you so much.
[00:35:44]  Thank you.
[00:35:47]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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[00:35:51]  Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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