The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything About The Trump Indictment: Is Anything Non-Political? Winning 2024? Why Indict Now?
Aired: 2023-04-03
Duration: 37:28


=== Raw Political Prosecution (09:45) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, happy Monday.
[00:00:01]  Ask Me Anything episode.
[00:00:02]  Questions about Trump indictment.
[00:00:03]  Does it have anything to do the timing?
[00:00:05]  What is Trump actually being charged for?
[00:00:07]  34 count indictment and more.
[00:00:09]  Every angle possible we examine it.
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[00:01:08]  Let's go to this one.
[00:01:09]  Charlie, did you see Jonathan Turley's take on Donald Trump's indictment?
[00:01:13]  I thought it was excellent.
[00:01:14]  I agree.
[00:01:15]  I thought it was excellent as well.
[00:01:16]  There's a couple of them.
[00:01:17]  Let's play this.
[00:01:19]  And then I also want to respond to something that I was saying earlier in our conversation with Michael Malice.
[00:01:23]  Let's go to Cut 99.
[00:01:26]  It's historic.
[00:01:26]  It's not necessarily good history that is being made.
[00:01:31]  It's not that I oppose the indictment of a former president.
[00:01:35]  I don't even oppose the indictment of a sitting president on constitutional basis.
[00:01:40]  But this indictment, if it is reportedly following the theory that we've been talking about, is political.
[00:01:48]  It's a raw political prosecution.
[00:01:51]  I think it's rather outrageous.
[00:01:52]  I think it's legally pathetic.
[00:01:55]  I have a thing to add on to it.
[00:01:57]  Of course, it's political, but almost everything we do right now is political.
[00:02:02]  Where we eat is political.
[00:02:03]  Where we bank is political.
[00:02:05]  Where we go to church is political.
[00:02:07]  Why would we think all of a sudden our indictments are somehow outside of politics?
[00:02:12]  Can you show me any, I'm not saying this is a good thing, but can you show me anything meaningful that has power in America that has not become political?
[00:02:22]  And this is largely because politics has become the place of purpose for many people.
[00:02:27]  As religion declines, politics starts to matter more and more.
[00:02:32]  So as politics start to matter more and more, all the institutions then get simultaneously captured by these, this kind of pathogen of politics.
[00:02:43]  And so banking, restaurants, sports.
[00:02:49]  And so why would we think that the prosecutor's office would be immune to that?
[00:02:54]  The reason we should think that, though, is that the rule of law is supposed to not be impacted.
[00:02:59]  It's supposed to be blind.
[00:03:00]  That is why the statue of lady justice is supposed to be blind, blind to bias, blind to any sort of incentives.
[00:03:10]  It's just supposed to be, what does the law say?
[00:03:12]  Equal justice under the law.
[00:03:14]  That is that promise of human equality.
[00:03:17]  And in a time and a place where New York starts to collapse and we have anarchy on the streets, literally, violent crime up, and many felonies are being downgraded as misdemeanors, they are upgrading a misdemeanor to a felony.
[00:03:31]  So the trend is to go down from felonies to misdemeanors on all violent crime, and yet they go up from misdemeanor to felony on a paperwork issue that is so convoluted.
[00:03:43]  It's so it's not even novel.
[00:03:46]  It is exotic, as Maggie Haberman would say.
[00:03:49]  People are refusing to even go ride on a subway in New York City.
[00:03:52]  People say, I don't want to do that.
[00:03:53]  I don't want to ride on a subway.
[00:03:56]  And so we've said this term many times before, and I'm looking for the actual original essay that I could read part of it because it's so good.
[00:04:03]  It's anarcho-tyranny by Sam Francis.
[00:04:06]  He wrote it in the 1990s.
[00:04:08]  And he coined the term anarcho-tyran tyranny, where he said it refers to an armed dictatorship without the rule of law or a Hegelian synthesis where the state tyrannically or oppressively regulates human behavior, right?
[00:04:28]  Regulates citizens' lives, yet is unable or unwilling to enforce fundamental protective law.
[00:04:34]  So we have no fundamental protective measures of walking down the street, you can get raped, arson, and all that, but they will use force to go after political dissidents.
[00:04:44]  Alvin Bragg lowered 52% of criminal charges in New York City last year to misdemeanors, half.
[00:04:54]  He went over, bent over backwards to legally raise the charges against Trump to a felony.
[00:04:58]  And so that is what anarcho-tyranny, in a nutshell, that it goes up in one direction.
[00:05:05]  Okay, let's continue with Jonathan Turley, play cut 100.
[00:05:09]  A rather ignoble moment in history.
[00:05:11]  Donald Trump may be the first former president to be indicted, but if this is the standard, he won't be the last.
[00:05:19]  And it's going to obviously get very fierce in terms of the motions and the litigation ahead of us and obviously the politics.
[00:05:30]  You know, it's a curious thing, by the way, to lead with this case because the chaos that is erupting is pretty much the element for Donald Trump.
[00:05:41]  I mean, it's like trying to kill an orca by throwing him into the water.
[00:05:45]  And that's a good segue to a dialogue I had with Michael Malice.
[00:05:49]  And it was interesting.
[00:05:50]  I have a lot of respect for Michael.
[00:05:51]  It's just we had like an hour and a half of a show all about kind of rallying the troops all.
[00:05:55]  It wasn't exactly in the mindset for a debate.
[00:05:58]  So it went a little clumsier than I would have liked.
[00:06:00]  But the essence of what he's saying is interesting and is important to comment on.
[00:06:04]  And actually, some of you resonated where he said, listen, don't take this indictment lightly.
[00:06:07]  Obviously, we don't, that Donald Trump, there's no guarantee he'll be the nominee.
[00:06:11]  I think that's almost, I think this almost guarantees he'll be the nominee.
[00:06:14]  And basically his argument, I think, is an interesting one, where he says that, well, look, the Republican establishment is going to try to throw every measure, everything they can.
[00:06:21]  I just happen to know the inner workings of the RNC far too well.
[00:06:26]  These people are actually really, really weak.
[00:06:28]  Donald Trump just steamrolls them.
[00:06:30]  Now, if it was the Democrat Party, I totally agree with that.
[00:06:33]  It just so happens, like if the Republican Party was actually as, let's just say, strong as you might think they are, they would have prevented Trump from being the nominee in 2016.
[00:06:46]  So, and Trump is only stronger than he was now in 2023, 2024 than he was in 15 or 16.
[00:06:53]  And let me tell you why.
[00:06:54]  I mean, Donald Trump's small dollar donor base.
[00:06:57]  Trump had no small dollar donors in 16.
[00:06:59]  It was just a dude with a plane and he put his own money in and a hat and he still won the nomination.
[00:07:04]  And now he's even more popular, better known.
[00:07:07]  Remember, Donald Trump won the nomination in 2016 with like 30 to 40% of the vote because there were so many candidates.
[00:07:15]  And he has probably 50 to 60% of the vote, and he still had any of his big donors.
[00:07:21]  He had no campaign team.
[00:07:22]  It was like 10 or 12 people.
[00:07:24]  But I think the point is well taken.
[00:07:26]  I think the point is interesting.
[00:07:28]  I just don't see any evidence of it.
[00:07:30]  Okay, so this is interesting.
[00:07:32]  Charlie, why is it that Donald Trump faces 34 counts?
[00:07:36]  That sounds really serious.
[00:07:38]  This is Leonard from Massachusetts.
[00:07:41]  So you can actually intentionally string out an indictment to have more counts.
[00:07:47]  It's called charge stacking.
[00:07:49]  So what's the best way I can give an example of this?
[00:07:54]  Let's just think of a crime that we're all familiar with.
[00:07:58]  Murder, arson, or even some more popular ones, right?
[00:08:03]  Like the Alex Murdoch case in South Carolina that received a lot of attention.
[00:08:08]  The crux is murder, right?
[00:08:10]  That's the crux of it.
[00:08:11]  But you could then do a 40-count indictment by expanding all the particular angles of the criminal code that he might have violated.
[00:08:20]  Lying under oath, destruction of evidence is a big one, right?
[00:08:26]  Misleading official, all sort of procedural and process stuff.
[00:08:30]  So it makes it seem as if it's a much bigger deal than it really is.
[00:08:35]  And by the way, this is all hearsay and rumor up to this point.
[00:08:38]  So they're hearing 34 counts, and I guarantee you, 34 counts when we find out next week.
[00:08:43]  And this, I'm actually just reading this right now.
[00:08:46]  They think it's going to be 34 counts, but it literally is just 34 pieces of paper.
[00:08:49]  It's just one crux of a thing.
[00:08:51]  They're doing this for a PR win.
[00:08:53]  It's purely for public relations.
[00:08:55]  There is no other reason for this other than to try to make it seem it's bigger than it actually is.
[00:09:01]  So it's not that he committed 34 crimes or he has 34 different bodies buried.
[00:09:08]  They always are trying to frame things in the worst light.
[00:09:11]  So here's a good example.
[00:09:12]  If you're char or you're accused of fraud and a fraud scheme involved, let's say 10 different phone calls, they could charge you for every single phone call.
[00:09:21]  Or, for example, they could say that for every check he wrote to Cohen, it is a charge.
[00:09:26]  Now, a good judge will then drop these indictments or he will put them together into one.
[00:09:34]  A good judge will say, okay, you guys are being insane.
[00:09:37]  Okay.
[00:09:38]  It was 34 counts.
[00:09:39]  Let's bring this down to a five-count indictment.
[00:09:41]  And now, the counts of indictments matter because that matters.

=== Dropping Indictment Counts (04:15) ===

[00:09:45]  They're going way wider than they have to.
[00:09:47]  Obviously, the fact that they go to 34 shows how desperate they really are.
[00:09:51]  If they had an actual crime, they would not have to go to 34 counts of an indictment.
[00:09:56]  If they had an actual crime against him, which they don't.
[00:10:00]  And the crux of their crime is that Donald Trump paid a hush money payment, even though it came from Michael Cohen's account.
[00:10:05]  What witness are they going to call to the stand here?
[00:10:08]  No, this is a show trial.
[00:10:09]  They're going to enjoy this.
[00:10:10]  Remember, this is the same venue that went after D'Souza, went after Bannon, went after O'Keefe, going after Giuliani.
[00:10:16]  The same jurisdiction here.
[00:10:18]  And there is no way to hold them accountable except we using political powers ourselves.
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=== Empowering Weight Loss Program (14:46) ===

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[00:14:08]  Seems the volume of emails we're receiving, the overwhelming majority, is all about the Trump deal.
[00:14:16]  So that's what we're going to focus on.
[00:14:17]  Charlie, why do you think they're indicting Trump now?
[00:14:20]  I'm afraid they're going to do this.
[00:14:21]  I think they're doing this try to distract from other stories.
[00:14:24]  I don't know if I agree with that.
[00:14:25]  It could be.
[00:14:27]  It's possible.
[00:14:28]  I mean, I never put anything past these people.
[00:14:29]  What I think is more likely is Alvin Bragg, he came up with a strategy, it seems, to make it seem like they were closing the grand jury.
[00:14:43]  They leaked it and they said, oh, the grand jury is taking off for Ramadan, as if that should just give you a little idea who's on the jury.
[00:14:51]  And that's fine.
[00:14:52]  I mean, whatever.
[00:14:54]  I'm not sure if they'd be pro-Trump or anti-Trump.
[00:14:56]  There's a fair amount of anti-Trump in the Islamic community and all communities, so who knows?
[00:15:01]  And so anyway, they say you're taking off for Ramadan.
[00:15:03]  I was like, really strange.
[00:15:04]  Like, okay, that's a weird way to put it.
[00:15:07]  And they, then out of nowhere, they dropped the indictment.
[00:15:11]  Now, why they decided to drop it when they dropped it, I'm not sure.
[00:15:15]  I'm not really sure who's orchestrating it.
[00:15:16]  I don't know if there's any rhyme or reason for it.
[00:15:19]  Or is it that just Alvin Bragg just said, you know what?
[00:15:21]  We got it.
[00:15:22]  Let's go for it.
[00:15:23]  And so it could be that they're trying to counter message against something else.
[00:15:27]  An email we're receiving a lot of, well, Charlie, are they trying to counter message against the trans shooter in Nashville?
[00:15:33]  I don't think those two things are related.
[00:15:35]  Could be.
[00:15:35]  Could be a messaging thing to try to keep your eye off the ball on one thing.
[00:15:39]  I doubt it.
[00:15:41]  Okay, let's go to another piece of tape here about the indictment.
[00:15:45]  Yeah, this kind of goes to the count of indictment here.
[00:15:47]  Let's go to Cut 101.
[00:15:48]  They say he's going to face a 34-count indictment, Play Cut 101.
[00:15:52]  And I am told by my sources that this is 34 counts, a falsification of business records, which is probably a lot of charges involving each document, each thing that was submitted as a separate count in a couple of matters.
[00:16:08]  Now, remember, the media has been calling this for quite some time.
[00:16:10]  Cut 103.
[00:16:11]  For six years, the media has been calling for an indictment of Donald Trump.
[00:16:14]  Play Cut 103.
[00:16:16]  Democrats have recently voted to advance articles of impeachment.
[00:16:20]  Impeach him first and then indict him.
[00:16:21]  Yes, the president, a sitting president, can be indicted.
[00:16:25]  You're starting to hear people talk about the possibility that Donald Trump leaves office in two years and then finds himself in the crosshairs of these New York prosecutors.
[00:16:33]  This sitting president can and should be indicted.
[00:16:36]  The only thing worse than indicting him would be not indicting him.
[00:16:41]  What?
[00:16:42]  By the way, in that is Michael Avenatti, who is in jail now.
[00:16:46]  And I'm sure he's having a great time.
[00:16:49]  I don't know.
[00:16:49]  Does he have TV privileges in prison?
[00:16:52]  Not sure.
[00:16:53]  Trump's attorney is saying the former president will not take a plea deal if this case goes to trial, play cut 118.
[00:16:58]  Do you expect this to go to trial?
[00:17:00]  Do you see any scenario in which you or the former president would take a plea deal?
[00:17:04]  Zero, zero.
[00:17:06]  First of all, I'm not taking a plea deal to anything, but President Trump will not take a plea deal in this case.
[00:17:11]  It's not going to happen.
[00:17:11]  There's no crime.
[00:17:12]  I don't know if it's going to make the trial because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point.
[00:17:19]  I like this lawyer, by the way.
[00:17:20]  I think he's a clear thinker.
[00:17:22]  He's good.
[00:17:23]  I think he's good on TV.
[00:17:24]  He comes across as a tough bulldog.
[00:17:26]  I think that's a good idea.
[00:17:27]  I've been some of the attorneys Trump puts on TV sometimes.
[00:17:31]  I'm like, I'm not sure if that's the right place or right time.
[00:17:33]  All sweet people.
[00:17:34]  I mean, but that guy, he looks like someone who's going to go into the trenches and knife fight you in a legal way, obviously.
[00:17:40]  I mean, or maybe not.
[00:17:41]  He looks like he's, I wouldn't want to fight that guy anyway.
[00:17:44]  But he looks like a bulldog.
[00:17:45]  I like it.
[00:17:45]  I like the tone.
[00:17:46]  I like the tenacity.
[00:17:49]  I like it.
[00:17:50]  It's good.
[00:17:51]  And so another question here, Charlie, let's go here.
[00:17:54]  Charlie, the sooner you accept the fact that the Republican Party is no different than the Democrat Party, the better off you'll be.
[00:17:59]  They all want Trump gone.
[00:18:01]  You're truly one of my heroes.
[00:18:02]  I hope you realize this soon.
[00:18:03]  I believe you have one of the most best important voices in this fight.
[00:18:06]  I'm very grateful for everything you do.
[00:18:07]  God bless you, Charlie Kirk.
[00:18:08]  Thank you, Michael.
[00:18:09]  That really touches me.
[00:18:10]  I appreciate that.
[00:18:11]  Look, of course I know the Democrat and the Republican Party is basically indistinguishable.
[00:18:15]  Donald Trump, by the way, is one of the reasons that should give us hope that he's a different type of Republican.
[00:18:21]  The fact the Republican Unit Party hates him as much as they do should give you optimism that things can change.
[00:18:28]  Look, there is no easy way out of this.
[00:18:30]  Donald Trump's not automatically going to become president because of this.
[00:18:34]  I will stand by what I was saying, though.
[00:18:35]  I mean, I do think that he will be much more likely to get the nomination because the people run the Republican Party.
[00:18:43]  They just do.
[00:18:43]  The people run the Republican Party.
[00:18:45]  And if you just look at the states, I mean, yeah, there's some establishment people, but even the most establishment candidates try to go seek out Donald Trump's endorsement in some of these states.
[00:18:55]  Just go look at South Dakota, North Dakota, Kansas.
[00:18:58]  They fear what Donald Trump could do to them in those states.
[00:19:01]  Does it make him present?
[00:19:02]  Now, does that make him more likely to win the president?
[00:19:05]  That's an interesting question that I want to explore.
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[00:20:14]  What drives the indictment of Donald Trump?
[00:20:17]  What is the reason?
[00:20:18]  And the question was asked in good faith because I know some of you might say, oh, that's a stupid question.
[00:20:22]  And I really think it's white rich liberal syndrome.
[00:20:26]  This is not being driven by the activist class.
[00:20:28]  I can almost guarantee you, in fact, it would be a great video.
[00:20:31]  Benny Should Go Do It or Brandon Tatum.
[00:20:33]  If you go into the black communities of New York City and you ask them, they probably like, oh, we don't like Trump.
[00:20:40]  But like, really?
[00:20:41]  We have problems here.
[00:20:42]  This is not being driven by that.
[00:20:44]  Alvin Bragg is pandering to white liberals on the Upper East Side.
[00:20:50]  That's what this is.
[00:20:52]  This is a petty and personal thing for people that are super rich, where crime does not impact them because they have chauffeured cars and they would never take the subway, or they live in a building with a doorman 24-7, right?
[00:21:08]  The impact of New York becoming a third world dystopia does not impact them.
[00:21:13]  These are investment banker wives, right?
[00:21:16]  And we've all seen it.
[00:21:18]  We kind of know the archetype.
[00:21:19]  Well, you haven't all seen it, but those of you that have spent time in New York and high society, you kind of know what I'm talking about here.
[00:21:24]  And that's what's so frustrating is that so much of our politics is being driven by rich white liberals.
[00:21:32]  These are the people that have those signs that in this house we believe.
[00:21:36]  Can you please put that sign back up?
[00:21:37]  I can never remember.
[00:21:38]  In this house, we believe that science is real and love is love and justice.
[00:21:42]  Children should be able to chop off their parts.
[00:21:44]  And Malcolm X, by the way, warned us about rich white liberals as the most dangerous people.
[00:21:50]  And I don't think he had rich.
[00:21:51]  I just think he said white liberal.
[00:21:52]  That's right.
[00:21:53]  The sign is we believe that black lives matter.
[00:21:55]  No human is illegal.
[00:21:56]  Love is love.
[00:21:56]  Women's rights are human's rights.
[00:21:58]  Science is real.
[00:21:58]  Water is life.
[00:21:59]  And injustice is injustice somewhere is an injustice everywhere.
[00:22:03]  Or kind.
[00:22:04]  Yeah, they have different versions of this.
[00:22:07]  And I think it's important to note that.
[00:22:10]  And I think that a winning political message, not for Donald Trump, because I don't think Trump could pull this off, honestly, but somebody in the future is going to run a very successful political campaign against rich white liberals.
[00:22:24]  They are so sensitive.
[00:22:25]  They're so paranoid.
[00:22:27]  They run so many of our institutions.
[00:22:29]  They're so unlikable.
[00:22:31]  They're so nasty.
[00:22:34]  By the way, the last line is: injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
[00:22:38]  Sorry, it was too small to see on the other one.
[00:22:42]  By the way, there's a Chinese word for it called Baiza O, called the white left.
[00:22:49]  White liberals who are secular find their meaning in these one-off cocktail party vengeance campaigns.
[00:22:58]  The muscular class, blacks and Hispanics, especially in New York, they're not the one.
[00:23:03]  If you're going to see any protesters of this, right, in favor of this, which by the way, they're all probably paid.
[00:23:08]  It's pathetic.
[00:23:09]  If you look at the commentary outside of Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, who by the AOC positions herself as a working class Hispanic, but in reality, she acts and talks and thinks like a spoiled rich girl from Greenwich.
[00:23:22]  That's how she acts, right?
[00:23:23]  She doesn't fight for working people.
[00:23:25]  The pink hat platoons.
[00:23:27]  And so I have a real problem with this because I do not think our politics should be driven by people that do not have the skin in the game and appropriate and act as if they're fighting for the people that are quote unquote disadvantaged.
[00:23:41]  And so if you want to kind of go after a group that Matt makes me more angry than any other group, and this is why it's so funny, is people say, oh, you know, you right-wingers are racist.
[00:23:50]  How could we be racist?
[00:23:51]  The group we hate the most are rich white liberals.
[00:23:55]  They are, they're terrible.
[00:23:57]  They're awful.
[00:23:58]  And by the way, we don't hate them because of the color of their skin.
[00:24:00]  It just so happens that because they have white guilt, they act in really, really strange ways.
[00:24:07]  And it's awful, by the way, AWFL, angry white female liberal.
[00:24:11]  There's nothing quite like it in American society right now.
[00:24:15]  Okay, so just wide up to, is it angry or affluent?
[00:24:19]  It's this name.
[00:24:20]  Angry affluent.
[00:24:21]  So you could say AAWFL.
[00:24:24]  Both work.
[00:24:24]  They're interchangeable.
[00:24:26]  Angry, affluent, white, liberal, female.
[00:24:30]  Right there.
[00:24:32]  Okay, so let's get to kind of another question.
[00:24:34]  It's electability.
[00:24:35]  So is Trump electable?
[00:24:36]  Anybody's electable.
[00:24:37]  John Fetterman is electable.
[00:24:39]  I'm concerned we have not done the proper work in the red states to fix our elections.
[00:24:44]  I'm afraid we've gotten our eye off the ball, and it seems if it's such a disorganized effort.
[00:24:48]  I'll just be very honest.
[00:24:49]  But also, we need to have a robust ballot chasing operation in the early voting periods in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin.
[00:24:57]  If we even did 10 to 20% of this, we can win.
[00:25:00]  Remember, Donald Trump only lost, I put in air quotes, by 100,000 votes in five states, and it was really 60,000 votes.
[00:25:07]  It was 10,000 in Arizona.
[00:25:09]  It was 9,000 in Georgia, and it was like 20,000 in Wisconsin.
[00:25:12]  That's right there.
[00:25:13]  That's right on the margins.
[00:25:14]  And by the way, that's with the make-it-stop election of 2020.
[00:25:18]  The make-it-stop election of 2020 is when they waterboarded the entire country.
[00:25:22]  Floyda Palooza burning in the streets, COVID, masks, vaccines, lockdowns, absolutely massive record turnout in 2020, unregulated mass mail-in ballots, Zuckerboxes.
[00:25:33]  I believe the Democrat regime is a little bit nervous.
[00:25:37]  They're not going to be able to replicate the coup d'état they pulled off in 2020.
[00:25:41]  2020 was a masterpiece, and we let them do it.
[00:25:44]  And we were so naive.
[00:25:46]  Honestly, we were not on this program, but so many people were so naive with the lockdowns and the trillions of dollars of spending.
[00:25:53]  And it was Zuckerberg coming in with Center for Technology and Civic Life.
[00:25:57]  And honestly, three years later, I think we're hardened in a more significant way.
[00:26:02]  I think they're very, very worried that abortion is not going to be as hot a thing as it was with Roe versus Wade.
[00:26:09]  So they need to kind of figure out how they're going to do this.
[00:26:13]  And the indictment of Trump, they think plays into it.
[00:26:15]  Now, a separate strategy here that we've gotten a few emails on.
[00:26:19]  Let me read this one that I have saved.
[00:26:22]  This one right here from Maggie.
[00:26:24]  Charlie, I'm afraid that them indicting Trump is them actually choosing Trump as the nominee.
[00:26:30]  It's election interference by different means.
[00:26:32]  They think they could beat Trump.
[00:26:34]  I happen to agree.
[00:26:35]  I love Trump.
[00:26:36]  I'll support him.
[00:26:37]  But I'm afraid he can't win a general.
[00:26:39]  And I think the left agrees.
[00:26:40]  That's interesting.
[00:26:41]  I don't know if the Democrats are doing this.
[00:26:43]  I don't know if they're that centralized and that they might be.
[00:26:47]  I have no evidence of it.
[00:26:48]  It wouldn't shock me.
[00:26:49]  But there is a consensus belief.
[00:26:53]  And by the way, they're saying this on CNN, not consensus.
[00:26:56]  There is a growing belief.
[00:26:56]  They're saying this on CNN and other places that, hey, Trump is easier to beat than maybe DeSantis.
[00:27:03]  And if we indict him, he'll only get more popular.
[00:27:07]  Yeah, I mean, that's a more complex explanation than a simple one, where the simple one is probably they just hate Donald Trump and they're petty and they're personal and they're really, really mad that he won the 2016 election.
[00:27:19]  Now, we do know that Donald Trump can win the general election for three reasons.
[00:27:23]  And again, I've said this on this program before, and I just think it's, I just have to, I always just kind of throw up my arms.
[00:27:29]  When someone says he can't win, now, saying it will be hard for him to win, I totally agree.
[00:27:35]  It is a challenge.
[00:27:36]  The Democrats are the favorites to win the White House in 2024.
[00:27:40]  They understand early voting.
[00:27:41]  They're willing to cheat.
[00:27:42]  They're outright frauds and criminals.
[00:27:44]  They're going to raise a bunch of money.
[00:27:46]  Challenge versus can't are two different things.
[00:27:48]  You have to be very specific in your language.
[00:27:51]  And then there's other people that say, oh, Trump's going to automatically win in a landslide.
[00:27:54]  Yeah, that's deeply unhelpful.
[00:27:57]  Okay.
[00:27:58]  In fact, I think it's actively harming our cause to just say, we're going to win in a landslide.
[00:28:03]  Get out.
[00:28:04]  Okay.
[00:28:04]  Go to work.
[00:28:05]  But when they say he can't win, there's just three points that I think are important.
[00:28:09]  Now, I would say, if Joe Biden runs, I'd put Joe Biden at the 70 to 80% favorite.
[00:28:14]  I'll just be honest.
[00:28:15]  Like, that's, if I had to kind of do the Vegas betting odds, you might say, well, Charlie, how's that possible?
[00:28:19]  The country is in bad shape.
[00:28:21]  We have not proven we can win close elections, first of all, with this RNC, who's totally incompetent and corrupt.
[00:28:27]  Secondly, with all these different voting measures that are still in place.
[00:28:30]  Now, is it possible?
[00:28:31]  Yeah.
[00:28:32]  So here's why it's possible.
[00:28:34]  He's been president before.
[00:28:37]  Anyone who's been president before, who then has to be criticized that you can't win the White House again, that's a very silly argument.
[00:28:44]  Okay.
[00:28:45]  It just, of course, it's possible.
[00:28:46]  He's been sworn in.

=== Gavin Newsom Senate Odds (06:33) ===

[00:28:47]  He's served four years.
[00:28:49]  Okay.
[00:28:49]  The second is, yes, Biden is unpopular.
[00:28:52]  The third is that we're more privy to their vote rigging scheme.
[00:28:56]  And hopefully we do something about chasing ballots and early voting and ethical voting and all these sorts of things and voter integrity.
[00:29:05]  I hope that's the case.
[00:29:06]  Now, the downside of Trump being the nominee, right, which he almost assuredly will be after all this crap, is that there's almost nobody undecided about Trump.
[00:29:16]  And all the Democrats have to do is just nonstop chase ballots.
[00:29:20]  All their money will be spent on Democrat activation, getting independents to go to their side and to vote and to go find the ballots.
[00:29:29]  But with a little bit of ballot chasing on our side done ethically, legally, and above board, obviously, unlike the Democrats, who are a bunch of cheater, fraud, and criminals, they use mules and they pay people to illegally harvest ballots.
[00:29:39]  We're talking about ballot chasing, which is something very technically legally different.
[00:29:43]  That the Democrats are going to look at 2024 and they're going to say, listen, yeah, the economy is terrible, but do we really want another four years of Trump?
[00:29:54]  And I don't know if that will work.
[00:29:55]  I mean, I have no idea.
[00:29:57]  But less than that, the process and the machinery of the elections matters far more, in my personal opinion, than the actual messaging of the elections.
[00:30:10]  That the machinery and the inner workings, and my exhibit A of this is John Fetterman.
[00:30:16]  If John Fetterman is able to become a U.S. senator, who I do not even know if he is sentient right now, I don't say that jokingly.
[00:30:24]  We have not heard a speech from John Fetterman.
[00:30:26]  We get these like proof of life pictures from Fetterman every six weeks.
[00:30:30]  It's really weird.
[00:30:31]  Like every six weeks, we get a picture of like emaciated John Fetterman, like pretending to read a piece of paper in shorts and a sweatshirt.
[00:30:38]  It's like, oh, no, he's perfectly fine.
[00:30:40]  It's like Kim John Un, like every nine months, we get a picture from him.
[00:30:44]  Stop asking questions.
[00:30:45]  It's all good.
[00:30:46]  It's really strange.
[00:30:47]  If he can become a U.S. senator against an eminently qualified doctor, you might not have liked Dr. Oz's politics.
[00:30:53]  I certainly had some disagreements.
[00:30:54]  I wish he would have won.
[00:30:55]  He would have been a great senator.
[00:30:56]  But no one can say that Oz is dumb.
[00:30:58]  He's high, high capacity, high IQ, super smart.
[00:31:02]  He would have been a fabulous senator.
[00:31:04]  And you got John Fetterman, who, yeah, I mean, Dr. Oz is very high achieving.
[00:31:08]  That's a really good way to put it.
[00:31:09]  Fetterman never achieved anything in his life.
[00:31:11]  He's a trust fund kid, who we do not even know if he's sentient at this period of time.
[00:31:15]  If he is, then prove me wrong.
[00:31:16]  I mean, that's fine.
[00:31:17]  He ruined a small town in Pennsylvania.
[00:31:19]  He appropriates the MAGA look, and now he's a senator.
[00:31:23]  Is he, I think he's alive.
[00:31:24]  I think that's probably fair to say.
[00:31:26]  We just don't know if he's sentient right now.
[00:31:27]  We just don't know if he's able to have conversations, process information, and actually do the work of a U.S. senator.
[00:31:33]  That guy can actually become a senator, then it's all about machinery.
[00:31:40]  Reports are saying Fetterman plans to return to the Senate the week of April 17th after more than a month of inpatient treatment for depression, according to two people with direct knowledge of the plan.
[00:31:51]  I'm really glad he's going to go, you know, re-grace our efforts.
[00:31:54]  I mean, for the voters that voted for this in the awful, the affluent white female liberals in the mainline in kind of Hawaii and the suburbs of Philadelphia, are you not even the least bit ashamed?
[00:32:05]  No, they're not.
[00:32:06]  They're not.
[00:32:08]  Anybody, this is an open offer.
[00:32:10]  If you could do an in-depth psychological analysis of suburban wine moms and write it into a book, that would be very helpful for me.
[00:32:21]  Somebody emailed us.
[00:32:22]  They said, Charlie, you're taking eye off the ball.
[00:32:24]  It's BLM, World Economic Forum, globalism, trans stuff.
[00:32:27]  Don't get distracted by this Trump indictment.
[00:32:30]  First of all, we're not getting distracted.
[00:32:32]  We're focusing.
[00:32:33]  I think there's a difference between distraction and focus.
[00:32:36]  All those things are still huge threats.
[00:32:39]  They just did something that has never happened in American history, period.
[00:32:43]  And that there will be ample time to continue into all those other topics.
[00:32:46]  And also talk about how those topics connect to these, which I think is also equally very important.
[00:32:52]  I do want to talk about this.
[00:32:53]  Gavin Newsom has launched a new effort to try to unify Democrat states.
[00:32:58]  Of course, this is a launch pad for him for the presidency because he's saying, I'm not doing this because I'm running for president.
[00:33:03]  If Joe Biden doesn't shake out currently, why wouldn't they run Joe Biden, right?
[00:33:06]  It's the Federman model.
[00:33:08]  He's super low maintenance.
[00:33:10]  He's already been vetted in the sense that he's been attacked from every direction and hasn't been indicted.
[00:33:14]  So you don't have to worry about that.
[00:33:16]  You know what you're getting.
[00:33:17]  He's completely malleable and controllable.
[00:33:19]  And he doesn't have to campaign because he's president.
[00:33:21]  He'll just run the, they're not going to run the campaign from the basement.
[00:33:24]  They'll just run the campaign from the Oval Office.
[00:33:26]  And plus, he gets taxpayer-funded travel everywhere he goes.
[00:33:30]  So it's like a huge advantage.
[00:33:32]  Why wouldn't you run an incumbent, right?
[00:33:34]  Okay, so Gavin Newsom is launching a new political organization that will take Democrats, that will take the Democrat to red states, that will take that, so it doesn't make any sense.
[00:33:41]  The Washington Post can't write, that will take the Democrat.
[00:33:45]  They're talking about Gavin Newsom.
[00:33:46]  It's really weird grammar.
[00:33:48]  They'll take Gavin Newsom to red states across the country as he pushes back against restrictive abortion laws, loosened gun regulations, curriculum restrictions, and other initiatives Republican elected officials are spearheading.
[00:34:00]  That's what they're calling it now, curriculum restrictions.
[00:34:02]  Not having eight-year-olds learn how to do anal sex is curriculum restrictions.
[00:34:09]  The people that I always laugh, the Democrats, the ones that are literally indicting Donald Trump over sex, are the ones that are really worried that eight-year-olds can't learn about the most graphic things you could imagine.
[00:34:26]  So Gavin Newsom thinks he's been a great governor.
[00:34:30]  Play Cut 81.
[00:34:31]  California is currently pushing ahead with state-sanctioned kidnapping bill.
[00:34:35]  No joke, this is a kidnapping bill that allows therapists to take children as young as 12 from their parents.notice.
[00:34:40]  Play Cut 81.
[00:34:41]  California parents, horrified after Democrats in the state push a new bill that gives therapists the power to take children as young as 12 years old away from their homes and allow them to enroll in mental health facilities without any parental consent.
[00:34:57]  That means that a child who goes to a school counselor and says that they are transgender and that their parent won't support them, that child can be whisked off to an LGBTQ community facility and not come home from school that day.
[00:35:14]  It is actually a kidnapping bill.
[00:35:16]  Gavin Newsom is running on this and he says, we're going to bring this across the country.

=== California Kidnapping Bill (02:06) ===

[00:35:21]  We're going to make this a massive, massive thing.
[00:35:25]  Now, it's important to remember Gavin Newsom in this statement, he says, Newsom is meeting in Alabama with Brian Stevenson, a lawyer who's the founder and executive director of Equal Justice Initiative, to discuss Stevenson's work fighting inequities in Alabama criminal justice system.
[00:35:42]  The left never has believed in federalism or state rights ever.
[00:35:47]  They use it as a temporary excuse to try to make their anarcho-tyranny possible.
[00:35:51]  Right now, despite the fact that this is a great example, despite the fact that every single corporation has basically embraced the trans thing, the trans people are saying there's transphobes everywhere.
[00:36:02]  There's people out to try to kill us.
[00:36:04]  These people are colonialists.
[00:36:06]  It's really important to remember that a pattern of behavior that is embedded in the Democrat Party is the same as the king of Spain or any kind of colonist that says, I want that territory.
[00:36:22]  They are bothered almost the same way that a missionary would be compelled.
[00:36:26]  This is very important.
[00:36:27]  The same way that churches will sit and pray and say, we are bothered that somebody in the deep jungles of Papua New Guinea does not know the Lord.
[00:36:35]  By the way, that's an admirable concern.
[00:36:38]  The same way that a pastor might believe that, a trans activist right now in Montecito is meeting and they say, I'm really bothered that somebody in Kiakuk, Iowa thinks that there's only two genders.
[00:36:55]  That same missionary fervor that spread the gospel all over the world has now found itself into the trans world where they will not stop.
[00:37:04]  And the difference is they're not trying to persuade you.
[00:37:07]  They're trying to force you.
[00:37:08]  They don't want equality.
[00:37:09]  They want privileges.
[00:37:11]  Big difference.
[00:37:14]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:37:16]  Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:37:19]  Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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