The Charlie Kirk Show - Wargaming the Trump Indictments with Citizen Kane and Libby Emmons
Aired: 2023-03-18
Duration: 34:04


=== Knight and Citizen Kane (02:34) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:01]  Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Libby Emmons joins us to discuss the hoax campaign that was launched against me and this show.
[00:00:09]  And then Citizen Kane also joins us talking about Little March Madness, Trump indictment, and the banking system.
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[00:01:26]  Welcome back, everybody.
[00:01:27]  We have one of my favorite guests.
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[00:01:33]  We have Citizen Kane on the line.
[00:01:36]  Mr. Kane, welcome to the program.
[00:01:38]  First and most important question: Do you have Indiana winning at all?
[00:01:42]  And if yes, what is wrong with you?
[00:01:46]  Well, hey, you're Evanston Boys, Northwestern.
[00:01:49]  I know.
[00:01:50]  That's right.
[00:01:51]  How great was that?
[00:01:52]  And also, Princeton the other day, which I hate to cheer for woke schools, but you are a big IU guy, though, aren't you?
[00:02:00]  Yeah, I grew up.
[00:02:01]  Starting at age four, we had six row seats behind the bench.
[00:02:05]  When we moved to Bloomington in the early 70s, Bob Knight had just taken the job at IU after having come from West Point, and he accumulated this group of four or five doctors who were all about Knight's age.
[00:02:21]  And it's a weird little side story.
[00:02:23]  So these are doctors, surgeons, radiologists, anesthesiologists with full practice, with full practices.
[00:02:30]  And Knight would demand that they attend the IU basketball practice every day.

=== Fulton County Indictment Talk (08:22) ===

[00:02:35]  I kid you not for two and a half hours.
[00:02:38]  And yeah, anyway, so yeah, you know, I'm a believer in the Hoosiers.
[00:02:43]  All schools are woke, so I don't hold that against Princeton.
[00:02:47]  And that was a heck of a game yesterday, Princeton.
[00:02:51]  There were some awesome games.
[00:02:52]  So we're going to get a lot of hate mail because our audience doesn't like it when we talk sports because they say it's all woke, it's all terrible.
[00:02:57]  I just love, I love, I love college basketball, and that's not going to change.
[00:03:01]  So, Kane, several topics I want to explore with you, but when you're on the program, it seems you and I are in harmony.
[00:03:07]  And I looking at your website, I can kind of get a little bit into your own personal calculus, especially when what stories you're elevating and which ones you're highlighting.
[00:03:18]  Which you had a really powerful warning the other day where you said, MAGA World, get ready.
[00:03:24]  Trump is probably going to be indicted.
[00:03:26]  Tell us about that.
[00:03:28]  Yeah, well, a couple of things.
[00:03:30]  Yeah, I use colors.highlight headlines.
[00:03:33]  And, you know, I'm a truth teller, Charlie.
[00:03:35]  I'm like you.
[00:03:35]  I don't want to hold anything back from the MAGA audience.
[00:03:40]  And so what it was is it was an Atlanta Journal Constitution article.
[00:03:45]  They went deep, a deep dive into the Fulton County grand jury.
[00:03:49]  And it was published two days ago.
[00:03:52]  It's on my site.
[00:03:53]  And you read that story.
[00:03:54]  A long story, but there's no way you can read that story, which has in-depth interviews with several of the jurors of the grand jurors.
[00:04:03]  There's no way you can read that without coming to the conclusion that they recommended that President Trump be indicted, amongst others.
[00:04:11]  But I'll quickly say, you know, you wonder, well, how do you read the tea leaves?
[00:04:14]  You know, they were talking about the heartstrings they had for Ruby Freeman and about the election workers who had received threats and stuff.
[00:04:26]  So it was just so obvious from reading that.
[00:04:30]  You know, the jurors are only allowed to say so, the grand jurors are only allowed to say so much.
[00:04:35]  And it was obvious with what they were saying that they recommended that Fanny in Fulton County file charges.
[00:04:45]  So a couple things.
[00:04:46]  I think it's important that we get ahead of this and we make sure people are expecting an indictment, because then I think it will kind of get rid of some of the sizzle.
[00:04:54]  Don't you agree?
[00:04:55]  I think that we need to brace the base for impact on this and then speak openly and honestly about what that means.
[00:05:05]  And so let me ask you, let's say Trump gets indicted in Fulton County and Manhattan.
[00:05:11]  I don't legally, I don't think it can bar him from running in any state as even if he becomes a convicted felon, which would be so ridiculous and so outrageous and so awful.
[00:05:20]  But do you think that helps him, hurts him, or it makes him stay neutral in a Republican primary?
[00:05:27]  Yeah, that's it's a really great question.
[00:05:29]  It's super complicated.
[00:05:30]  I have a story near the top this morning.
[00:05:32]  Axios tries to sort of analyze the various indictments.
[00:05:35]  So let's break it down first.
[00:05:38]  Here's what I think.
[00:05:39]  I don't think there's anyone coordinating at all, but they all understand that they want Trump out, right?
[00:05:44]  They do not want him in the race in 2024.
[00:05:47]  So I feel like they're going to try to kill him with indictments.
[00:05:51]  So the Axios article talks about the Alvin Bragg and the Manhattan prosecution on the Stormy Daniels case.
[00:05:58]  So let's handle that one first.
[00:06:00]  Even Axios is skeptical of it.
[00:06:02]  They talk about the possibility of a judge tossing that case before it would even make it to trial.
[00:06:07]  And, you know, and I think that one's been litigated enough and there's enough doubt that that's the one I least worry about.
[00:06:15]  However, as Axios claims, that's likely to be the first criminal indictment.
[00:06:20]  So we have that one.
[00:06:22]  Then we've got Fulton County.
[00:06:23]  As you and I have talked on two previous occasions, that one's going to happen.
[00:06:28]  It seems really, really obvious.
[00:06:30]  Who else will be indicted besides Trump?
[00:06:32]  I'm not sure.
[00:06:33]  But then that one's going to come down to the jury.
[00:06:36]  Now let's jump to DOJ and Jack Smith.
[00:06:39]  You know, they talk about that in the Axios article.
[00:06:42]  Did the, you know, the Biden classified documents, does that dilute the potential of a Mar-a-Lago case, DOJ, Mar-a-Lago case against Trump?
[00:06:51]  But there's still the January 6th case.
[00:06:54]  So I'm going to say that I think there will probably be at least two indictments, Manhattan and Fulton County, and the potential for a third from DOJ.
[00:07:03]  Now to your question of, is it important that we talk about this ahead of time?
[00:07:07]  Absolutely.
[00:07:08]  We have to be prepared for this.
[00:07:11]  Just like you said, it takes the sizzle away.
[00:07:13]  Let's not be surprised.
[00:07:14]  Let's not be shocked.
[00:07:16]  If we know that this stuff is coming and we can sort of plan for it and do some war gaming, then we're going to be better prepared.
[00:07:23]  And then the last part of your question was about what does it do to Trump?
[00:07:28]  Well, what we saw in Mar-a-Lago, right, when they seized the documents, everybody rallied around Trump.
[00:07:34]  Even the never Trumpers rallied around Trump.
[00:07:37]  So I think the initial reaction to a Manhattan indictment or a Georgia indictment will be rallying around him.
[00:07:44]  But what Democrats are hoping, and this is why I talked about the three potential indictments, they're obviously hoping that they can kill Trump with innuendo, right?
[00:07:55]  Get it out there so that every time CBS mentions his name, it's the triple indicted President Trump.
[00:08:01]  That's correct.
[00:08:02]  You know, it's all about dragging him down in the press, in the media, and perception.
[00:08:09]  And then that's when we'll see if there's anyone from the, you know, the other Republicans who would rise up.
[00:08:16]  Yeah, in the primary, I think that in certain states, this helps him because Trump's most powerful shtick is they are doing everything they can to prevent me from fighting from you for, right?
[00:08:28]  Like that they are throwing everything at me.
[00:08:31]  And I mean, after two impeachments and after all these investigations, if you're trying to tell me that the Republican base is going to be moved by some stormy Daniels Michael Avenati thing that, I mean, are you kidding me?
[00:08:46]  Or some phone call to Fulton County while violent crime is going up and we have 5,000 people coming across our border every single day, that the top concern of the Manhattan and the Fulton County DA is, you know, Donald Trump's singular phone call and something it's so outrageous.
[00:09:05]  It's so preposterous.
[00:09:06]  It's so totalitarian.
[00:09:08]  But let me ask you, do you think in the Republican primary, some of these other candidates, do they get a little bit of wind from this?
[00:09:18]  Are they able to get more donor support?
[00:09:20]  Like, let's talk about the primary in particular.
[00:09:22]  How, if anything, do you think this changes the primary?
[00:09:25]  Okay.
[00:09:25]  Well, so I'll first say what you said.
[00:09:29]  You're absolutely correct.
[00:09:30]  It helps Trump in certain states if he's indicted.
[00:09:33]  That's a natural human reaction, right?
[00:09:36]  We rally around our leader when he's under attack.
[00:09:39]  So now let's get to the primaries, as you said.
[00:09:43]  It's look, Charlie, I think it's only Trump or DeSantis.
[00:09:48]  I don't really even want to talk about DeSantis because he has, I mean, I don't mind talking about him, but he hasn't announced, right?
[00:09:54]  And so we know the media wants to create division and create this wedge between Trump and DeSantis.
[00:10:01]  And I still would hope potentially that they both could be on the ticket.
[00:10:04]  Like I haven't given up that dream.
[00:10:08]  But no, so I don't think any of the other candidates are going to gain any ground.
[00:10:11]  I like the vec.
[00:10:12]  I love his energy.
[00:10:13]  I love his ideas.
[00:10:16]  But no, I don't think it's going to help any others.
[00:10:18]  It would only help Ron DeSantis.
[00:10:20]  I mean, I think, let's be real, if Trump falls, DeSantis will rise.
[00:10:27]  I think if you ask 90% of Republicans, they would say they just want to win in 2024.
[00:10:33]  They like Trump and they like DeSantis, both of them.
[00:10:38]  So there would be some scrambling.
[00:10:40]  But Trump, look, Trump will not give up and he's still the man.
[00:10:43]  We've seen the polls.
[00:10:44]  Trump is gaining in these polls.
[00:10:47]  The more candidates who enter, the better Trump does.
[00:10:50]  So I want to ask you, Kane, you're seeing a lot of stories, a lot of energy behind stories.

=== Bank Bailouts Explained (05:18) ===

[00:10:57]  What do you think right now are the big ones that we should focus on?
[00:11:01]  Things that you're really seeing a lot of traffic, where the base is getting enthused.
[00:11:06]  What are the stories we're missing that we should focus more on?
[00:11:09]  Your thoughts.
[00:11:11]  So the number one story people should focus more on is the run that Northwestern is going to make in the NCAA tournament.
[00:11:19]  It's their first win ever.
[00:11:21]  It's only the second time that they've been in the big dance.
[00:11:23]  17 was the first time, which yeah, that was a great win last night over Boise State.
[00:11:28]  You know, Northwestern, it's amazing.
[00:11:30]  Doug Collins Jr., I guess, Doug Collins Jr., he was Big Ten coach of the year this year.
[00:11:36]  And last year, he was in the hot seat, right?
[00:11:39]  His job was in trouble.
[00:11:41]  He played for Duke and Shyszewski.
[00:11:43]  Yep.
[00:11:44]  And came over to Northwestern and came out hot, you know, five, six years ago.
[00:11:49]  But anyway, it's tough.
[00:11:51]  You know, look, I'm going to say something real quick to all the viewers who hate us talking about sports.
[00:11:56]  Look, for alpha men, for us testosterone guys, we grew up playing sports.
[00:12:01]  This is part of our life.
[00:12:02]  This is how we get a break for exactly right.
[00:12:05]  I totally agree.
[00:12:05]  So back off, number one, back off.
[00:12:08]  Number two, this is our special time of the year.
[00:12:10]  This is totally agree.
[00:12:13]  I said that on air yesterday, Kane.
[00:12:15]  I said it is the most wonderful time of year.
[00:12:17]  It's the four greatest days that God creates of the year in the sports calendar.
[00:12:21]  There's nothing close to it.
[00:12:22]  One of my buddies growing up, who's a chemist for Eli Lilly, he flies out to Las Vegas for these five days.
[00:12:29]  He leaves his wife, his two children, flies to Las Vegas, and goes into sort of a betting orgasmic euphoria, euphoria for five days and just playing all these games.
[00:12:41]  I'm not a better at all, by the way.
[00:12:44]  But so great on Northwestern and great on schools like Northwestern, Princeton, and Stanford, who can field outstanding basketball teams, you know, against SEC and Big Ten and other Big Ten teams with no academic standards.
[00:12:58]  Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, Pac-12 Arizona lost to Princeton.
[00:13:01]  Continue, though.
[00:13:02]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:03]  Awesome.
[00:13:04]  I couldn't believe it.
[00:13:06]  I really, really couldn't believe Princeton came back and won that game.
[00:13:08]  But anyway, so what's on people's radar?
[00:13:11]  Well, obviously the bank stuff, right?
[00:13:13]  Let's talk about the bailouts a little bit because there's some weird stuff going on.
[00:13:18]  Janet Yellen was in the Senate yesterday and she flatly refused to say that every bank in America is protected in the way that Silicon Valley Bank is, meaning that deposits above 250,000 would be covered.
[00:13:32]  Now, here's a little caveat.
[00:13:34]  And I made sure to put this headline on CFP earlier in the week.
[00:13:37]  In our history, since the FDIC was created, every single bank that has failed, depositors got 100 cents on the dollar for uninsured deposits in every single case except for IndyMac.
[00:13:51]  IndyMac failed in 2009, I think, along with Washington Mutual and several of the others.
[00:13:57]  And IndyMac really, so my point is, it's been a standard thing that we handle uninsured deposits, but SV Bank is an outlier because 97% of their deposits were uninsured, right?
[00:14:10]  And so banks generally are not that way.
[00:14:15]  And I'll tell you one other thing that gave me some, you know, some pause on this is I feel like, look, if they don't bail out, if they don't generally take care of uninsured depositors, two things are going to happen.
[00:14:28]  One, when the MAGA bank fails, we know they're not going to take care of them, right?
[00:14:32]  And number two, that it causes, it causes all wealthy individuals and all corporations to leave regional banks, right?
[00:14:42]  If you put a million dollars in a regional bank and it's essentially an unsecured loan to that bank above the 250 limit, why would you do that?
[00:14:52]  That's going to be second tier if you can go into any of the too big to fail banks when your deposit is absolutely safe.
[00:14:59]  So it sort of creates this moral hazard.
[00:15:02]  And I think that's what we've been, you know, I've had CNBC on all week and I'm a former trader and investment banker and I love this stuff.
[00:15:09]  And that's what the street is trying to figure out is: are all banks safe?
[00:15:14]  You know, if Old National Bank in Indiana collapses, are deposits above 250,000 safe.
[00:15:20]  So, so bank deposits, so the bank bailouts have been a really, really big thing.
[00:15:26]  Yeah, this is more of a system question.
[00:15:28]  Go ahead, please.
[00:15:29]  Yes.
[00:15:29]  No, no, I'm going to take, I want to take a breath.
[00:15:31]  You go ahead.
[00:15:32]  No, I mean, we only have about 40 seconds, but this is more of a question of can the fractional banking system continue, right?
[00:15:39]  That is a really scary question because it has been a major ingredient to our material prosperity.
[00:15:45]  20 seconds, close it up, Kane.
[00:15:47]  Tell us about how things are.
[00:15:48]  Yeah, I mean, look, look, if everybody tried to take their money out at the same time, every bank in the world would fail.
[00:15:55]  All healthy banks would fail.
[00:15:56]  Banks take in deposits and they lend them out to help the economy grow.
[00:16:00]  So, yeah, that's fractional reserve banking and it requires confidence.
[00:16:04]  Charlie, it was awesome to be with you.
[00:16:06]  God bless you.
[00:16:07]  Go Northwestern, and I look forward to the next time, brother.
[00:16:10]  And we'll see how IU does.
[00:16:11]  God bless you, Kane.
[00:16:12]  Thank you so much.

=== Reed Comments on Trans Bills (14:45) ===

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[00:17:17]  Joining us now is Libby Emmons, Human Events, and also the post-millennial.
[00:17:22]  Libby has done a considerable amount of research that helps me and also has been really helpful to all of us to learn about how the heck did the riot happen this week at UC Davis.
[00:17:33]  And one of the reasons the riot happened is because an unsubstantiated internet rumor that originated from a trans hoaxer called Aaron Reed, a man who thinks he's a woman.
[00:17:46]  This hoaxer said that Charlie Kirk stands, Charlie Kirk believes that trans people should be lynched.
[00:17:53]  That is not just untrue.
[00:17:54]  It is the opposite of the truth.
[00:17:55]  It is against my beliefs and against my values.
[00:17:58]  I never said it nor insinuated it.
[00:17:59]  That then turned into the Sacramento B and then the UC Chancellor, Gary May.
[00:18:06]  Libby is with us now.
[00:18:07]  Libby, what have you learned about this individual?
[00:18:09]  Yeah, so this person is Erin Reed, a trans activist, a male who poses as a woman and goes on Twitter to talk all about various kinds of legislation that are being passed in the U.S. and specifically digs into those bills,
[00:18:28]  tracks them, and also decided that your comments when you were speaking with swimmer Riley Gaines were tantamount to calling for trans people to be lynched.
[00:18:40]  Anyone who watches those comments knows for sure that that's not what you were saying.
[00:18:45]  Anyone who listens to you speak also knows for sure that that's how you were saying.
[00:18:50]  You are often advocating for peace.
[00:18:52]  That happens repeatedly.
[00:18:55]  Yeah, so Reed's comments were then picked up by the Sacramento Bee and others who determined that Reed was correct without looking into it at all.
[00:19:09]  And I was actually sort of stunned that then those comments actually made their way to the chancellor of UC Davis where you were speaking on Tuesday.
[00:19:18]  And that chancellor, while not exactly repeating those comments, clearly was under the impression that comments like those were accurate.
[00:19:28]  Yeah.
[00:19:29]  And so does this person have a pattern of doing this?
[00:19:33]  Yeah, this has been, you know, this has been a pattern.
[00:19:38]  I was actually speaking with post-millennial senior editor Andy No about this, who gave me some more information about Reed's background.
[00:19:48]  And, you know, that was actually pretty interesting.
[00:19:51]  Reed had made comments about Daily Wire's Matt Walsh that were false as well.
[00:19:58]  And I can pull up some of the other comments that were made as well.
[00:20:05]  Reed also advocates for the selling of male Girl Scout cookies, which is kind of an interesting thing as well.
[00:20:16]  And the comments were actually so false that the Sacramento Bee had to apologize.
[00:20:22]  Although the article is still up in other places, I noticed that it's still on Yahoo.
[00:20:27]  It's still up.
[00:20:28]  And, you know, it's really interesting, Libby.
[00:20:30]  I started to sense the power of the defamation a couple weeks ago at University of California, Santa Barbara.
[00:20:37]  And I texted Andrew afterwards.
[00:20:38]  I said, we might have a problem here from this internet rumor because I was doing a change my mind type open table deal, as you've seen me do before, Libby.
[00:20:46]  Sit and take questions.
[00:20:47]  Anyone can say whatever they want to me.
[00:20:49]  And we have dialogue for about two hours.
[00:20:50]  It's really nice.
[00:20:51]  But a couple kids came up to me and they said, Charlie, why do you want trans people to be lynched?
[00:20:55]  I was like, what the hell are you talking about?
[00:20:56]  And they said, oh, yeah, I see it on the internet here.
[00:20:58]  I said, no, watch the video.
[00:20:59]  Like, I mean, watch what it says.
[00:21:01]  And they walked away, came back and said, oh, yeah, it's not true.
[00:21:03]  And so that didn't really phase me.
[00:21:05]  And then another young man who is really sweet came to our event and said, Charlie, what did you mean by this?
[00:21:10]  Excuse me.
[00:21:11]  But Lily, Libby, this has a pattern, doesn't it?
[00:21:15]  Yeah, it does have a pattern.
[00:21:19]  Reid reaffirmed the commitment to political violence, suggesting that violence is innate to LGBT people, saying that here it is here.
[00:21:36]  Said to Andy, looks like the thought of drag queens with bricks scares Andy no.
[00:21:41]  Good, we won't let you ban pride, saying that they were going to fight back.
[00:21:45]  And that's just one of the examples.
[00:21:49]  There are other examples where there was an incident in North Carolina.
[00:21:54]  I don't know if your viewers will remember, but in North Carolina, there was a power station that was vandalized and another trans activist who also spreads hoax, whose name is Alejandra Caraballo, who testified before the Congress, in fact, and testified to all sorts of things that also are not true.
[00:22:16]  Caraballo said that it was right-wing fascists that sabotaged this power plant.
[00:22:22]  The investigation there is still ongoing, but Reed picked it up and said that it was the Proud Boys and the Patriot Front.
[00:22:31]  No evidence at all that this was true.
[00:22:35]  And the scary part to me is that Reed is a voice expressing displeasure with bills across the country in various states, Tennessee, Texas, and other locations, Kentucky, and is saying directly that these are bills that harm trans kids.
[00:22:55]  These are bills that are a danger and are going to cost lives.
[00:23:00]  And Reed is someone who should not be trusted and has made themselves a name as sort of an expert on these bills and is someone who lies, who makes things up to boost their own narrative, goes into this with bias, goes into this reporting with a narrative that Reed is trying to uphold.
[00:23:19]  And I think that that's the scariest part is that the people who are following along and saying, oh, these bills are anti-trans kids are not aware at all of Reed's fabrications and calls for violence in the past.
[00:23:33]  Yeah.
[00:23:34]  And it's just, look, We're looking seriously at legal action.
[00:23:38]  We've been talking with Harmeet Dylan and many other people.
[00:23:41]  And so they also, the chancellor repeated the lies, right?
[00:23:46]  And said that I called for violence against trans people, not true.
[00:23:51]  And then the mob happened.
[00:23:53]  So there's damages, there's all sorts, there's costs associated.
[00:23:57]  But, you know, Libby, it's really interesting.
[00:23:59]  They lecture us about misinformation.
[00:24:02]  And this is not just misinformation.
[00:24:06]  It is a fiction, right?
[00:24:08]  And what's so fascinating about it is the Sacramento B then goes and posts it.
[00:24:16]  And the original response from the Sacramento B was interesting because I think they dug themselves actually a deeper hole.
[00:24:23]  They're so stupid.
[00:24:24]  Their legal department said, well, we don't think this crosses the threshold.
[00:24:27]  And then a couple hours later, they issue an apology and they take it down because I think it got kicked up to somebody who actually went to law school, not just some intern.
[00:24:35]  And they're like, yeah, this is not even close to the truth.
[00:24:39]  It's not opaque.
[00:24:40]  It is a material lie about Charlie Kirk.
[00:24:43]  And so, look, if we sue, we're going to ask for the order.
[00:24:46]  They can't allow to, we cannot allow these people to keep on doing this to us.
[00:24:50]  No, I agree with you.
[00:24:52]  It's also true, however, that the same people who are making up these lies about you are making up lies about reality and demanding that everyone believe them.
[00:25:02]  They are very interested in making sure that all of us believe the entire complete fabrication that a person can change sex simply by saying so or simply or going through medical procedures that change the appearance of the body and genitals.
[00:25:20]  This is a lie.
[00:25:21]  This is a complete lie.
[00:25:23]  Riley Gaines knew it was a lie when she was speaking to you and had actually seen Leah Thomas's entire situation in a locker room, which is something that no woman should be subjected to if that's not what she's trying to get involved with.
[00:25:39]  And I think it's clear that the swimmers who were competing against Thomas and the NCAA were not signed on for having a grown man in the locker room with them, watching everybody get undressed.
[00:25:53]  So I don't think that it's necessarily surprising that these people are making up facts about you, making up facts about other people who are speaking out against these lies because they are intentionally perpetrating lies anyway.
[00:26:07]  That's a huge part of what they're doing.
[00:26:10]  And so if they can convince us that you're lying or calling out, you know, making calls for violence, which you obviously are not doing, you're someone who actively courts the people that disagree with you to come talk and have debate.
[00:26:24]  So then if they can make up lies about you and make up lies about reality, they can do whatever they want.
[00:26:30]  You know, they'll just steamroll over everybody.
[00:26:34]  So yeah, I think that I think that it's important that people know that Aaron Reed is lying about you and also take a closer look at what Reed is saying about these bills across the country because I think Reid is probably making up lies about that as well.
[00:26:51]  It is a fascinating, I mean, when you are delusional, which is unfortunately this person is, they're delusional about their own reality, then why wouldn't they just lie?
[00:27:01]  I mean, truth is not a left-wing value.
[00:27:03]  It never has been.
[00:27:04]  It's about power.
[00:27:05]  It's very revenge-driven.
[00:27:07]  And, you know, it's really tragic because a lot of people can get hurt when this occurs.
[00:27:13]  And so, look, you got to fight back.
[00:27:16]  You got to do what you can to hold these people accountable.
[00:27:19]  And the legal system, it's hard because of New York Times v. Sullivan.
[00:27:22]  But look, the reporter said this, Rosialo Ahamunda or whatever.
[00:27:27]  I deleted a previous tweet because the language I used was not precise.
[00:27:30]  Apologies for the error.
[00:27:32]  And then the Sacramento Bee comes up and then reiterates their apology.
[00:27:36]  But Rosie Hollow Alamunda, this is a reporter for the Sacramento B, right?
[00:27:41]  During the riot, was saying several dozen people protest outside an event hosted by a conservative student group featuring right-wing speaker who has advocated violence against transgender people and misinformation.
[00:27:52]  Like, we're going to sue you too.
[00:27:54]  I mean, you're in the middle of the riot.
[00:27:57]  You need to be held accountable for all of this.
[00:27:59]  And if you look at the footage from that night, I know that there were a bunch of reporters out there covering what was going on.
[00:28:08]  The, you know, the conservative students were not out there being violent.
[00:28:12]  They were not out there shutting people down or vandalizing the campus.
[00:28:16]  They were not out there breaking windows or doing any of that kind of stuff.
[00:28:21]  And I think another key aspect of this, and as you said, the left has been lying for some time.
[00:28:27]  The left has said over the past several years, has gone on to say that words are violence.
[00:28:34]  They've been very specific in saying that words are violence.
[00:28:37]  And when you delude yourself into believing that what somebody says, whether you agree with it or not, is violence, then you can justify to yourself taking violent action in retaliation for those words.
[00:28:51]  Libby, let me ask you, you know, you do a lot of coverage of stories and you're very careful and you know the rules around that.
[00:28:57]  But how should people personally deal with being lied and slandered?
[00:29:01]  I mean, it's one thing to lie and slander about me.
[00:29:03]  We're going to hold these people accountable.
[00:29:05]  You can't do stuff like that.
[00:29:06]  But what really bothers me is they do this every day.
[00:29:09]  They do this to people in work environments.
[00:29:11]  They do this with people in communities.
[00:29:13]  What's the game plan?
[00:29:14]  What's the blueprint to fight back?
[00:29:17]  Yeah, so there's a lot of different advice that goes on to people how to deal with being slandered in the workplace or even just among friends and family.
[00:29:27]  And we see on Twitter all the time and social media people saying, you know, I cut my family out of my life because they're voting conservative.
[00:29:35]  Or, you know, I can't talk to my family anymore because they don't think that trans kids exist or whatever it is.
[00:29:43]  And I think that the only thing to do, Charlie, is to stand your ground and to stand on the truth.
[00:29:49]  There is nothing else for it.
[00:29:51]  You know, the truth is the truth and it can't really be obfuscated forever as much as these activists want to do that.
[00:30:00]  And as much as these trans activists specifically want to completely obliterate what we know to be true of reality.
[00:30:09]  So I think that the key thing is to stay calm, know your facts, know the truth, and stand on the word.
[00:30:16]  That's really all we have.
[00:30:18]  That's exactly right.
[00:30:19]  And, you know, it's really, it's interesting.
[00:30:22]  This is the trouble of the my truth movement because my truth versus another truth, you're all, I mean, the trans activists will say, no, it's my truth that Charlie said lynching.
[00:30:32]  And he probably believes that.
[00:30:34]  He probably believes that in his truth, I said that.
[00:30:37]  Even though I didn't, it's the opposite of what I say.
[00:30:39]  At some point, you have to have the truth, correct?
[00:30:44]  Yeah, I agree with you.
[00:30:45]  I was actually giving this some thought yesterday when I was considering relativism and how relativism led to the my truth concept and where that came from and what it's about.
[00:30:57]  And it's a lie.
[00:30:58]  Relativism is a lie.
[00:31:00]  There is right and wrong.

=== Wokeism and Relativism Truth (03:01) ===

[00:31:02]  There is good and bad.
[00:31:04]  It is important to know the differences.
[00:31:06]  When you say that something is your truth, what you are saying is, this is my bias and this is my perception.
[00:31:14]  And I'm not interested in questioning that or weighing that perception or bias against other facts or other opinions or reality.
[00:31:23]  So, as soon as you start crossing your arms and saying, This is my truth, and you can't contradict that, what you are saying is not only that you are lying, you are lying to others, you want them to lie back to you, and you have no interest in actual reality or truth.
[00:31:40]  Well, so a person's constantly, yeah, you need to question what it is you believe and why you believe it.
[00:31:47]  And if you can't actually find the underpinnings of your belief system, then you really got to start over and take a much closer and harder look at what it is that you purport to believe and figure out how to justify it.
[00:32:01]  Because if you're making decisions based on a false worldview, you're going to come out in a really bad place at the end.
[00:32:09]  If you argue with reality, welcome to hell.
[00:32:12]  And that's where so many people are living.
[00:32:14]  And the acceptance of reality takes courage, it takes the reality of your own circumstance, the circumstance around you, and to be anchored in reality and anchored in the truth.
[00:32:25]  Part of wokeism is built on a fiction that you can determine your own reality based on your own story, your own wishes, your own will.
[00:32:38]  Wokeism is a generally catch-all term, but I think it's pretty good.
[00:32:42]  Closing thoughts here, Libby, on this topic and the need to fight back against the lies.
[00:32:47]  Yeah, I would say also that even though we're calling it wokeism now, this is not necessarily something new.
[00:32:54]  Henrik Ibsen, the famed Norwegian playwright, talked about this in his play The Wild Duck, where there was a man who did not want to face the brutal reality that his life turned into.
[00:33:05]  Ibsen called it the life lie.
[00:33:08]  And I think that so many people in America are living the life lie, refusing to look at reality and refusing to, therefore, take action in reality to better themselves, to better their lives, to better society at large.
[00:33:24]  And it's really a shame.
[00:33:25]  So I think that my closing thoughts: focus on the truth, focus on reality, work hard, think hard, and take stock of what you believe.
[00:33:38]  And don't give into violence and don't give in to the people who want to coerce you into believing something that's not true.
[00:33:45]  Libby, great work.
[00:33:46]  Thank you so much.
[00:33:47]  Appreciate it as always.
[00:33:48]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:33:49]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:33:51]  Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:33:54]  Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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