The Charlie Kirk Show - This is BLEXIT Country with Candace Owens and Patrick Morrisey
Aired: 2023-03-14
Duration: 34:04


=== Turning Point USA and Blexit (14:09) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody, today at the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:01]  Big announcement with Candace Owens.
[00:00:03]  If you want to learn more about our new partnership with Blexit, go to tpusa.com.
[00:00:07]  That is tpusa.com, turning point USA and Blexit combining forces.
[00:00:14]  And then the Attorney General of West Virginia joins us to talk about why men should not be able to participate in female sports, that and so much more.
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[00:00:27]  Here we go.
[00:00:28]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:30]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
[00:00:32]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:35]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:39]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:40]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:41]  His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
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[00:01:13]  Got some big news for you.
[00:01:15]  Big, big news to share.
[00:01:17]  Last evening on Twitter spaces, and some of you might have seen it on social media.
[00:01:21]  We shared some exciting, exciting news regarding Turning Point USA and Blexit.
[00:01:27]  And here to break the news on this show is the great Candace Owens.
[00:01:33]  Candace, welcome back to the program.
[00:01:35]  Hey, I'm doing well.
[00:01:37]  How are you?
[00:01:38]  So, Candace, last night we shared some super exciting news.
[00:01:41]  I haven't mentioned it yet here.
[00:01:43]  Candace, what do we have to announce?
[00:01:45]  Well, it's a huge announcement.
[00:01:47]  Super exciting.
[00:01:48]  It feels like a homecoming of sorts, but Blexit and Turning Point USA are officially merging.
[00:01:55]  It feels just so appropriate, right?
[00:01:57]  I mean, to kind of start where you began, to go back to where you began.
[00:02:01]  And we couldn't be more thrilled about just the opportunity to proliferate both of our goals.
[00:02:07]  You obviously having done such a wonderful job across university campuses and realizing that issue.
[00:02:13]  Me realizing a huge issue in the inner city communities, how minorities have been neglected, and starting these after-school programs for Blexit and coming back together because it is entirely true that conservatives are fighting all different fronts.
[00:02:28]  And it's time for us to come together and realize that we're fighting the same war.
[00:02:31]  And what better way than for Blexit and Turning Point USA?
[00:02:34]  It is.
[00:02:35]  And Candace, you've built a machine at Blexit.
[00:02:38]  It's truly amazing.
[00:02:39]  And the impact and the membership and, you know, the goal and the vision is one of the most important in the country, honestly.
[00:02:46]  I mean, there are so many organizations that are just think tanks and they just publish papers that nobody reads.
[00:02:50]  But Blexit is about education.
[00:02:53]  And the goal and the vision is to try to liberate Black America from the victimhood mentality.
[00:02:58]  Tell our audience a little bit about that goal and that vision that you had from the very beginning that now we're going to try to bring to the next level.
[00:03:06]  Yeah, you know, our entire lives, and I say I'm referring to Black Americans, what you really have is sort of a nefarious education system that's trying to sell to you that you are a victim and that you should recognize that because of the color of your skin, you're never going to be able to go anywhere in life.
[00:03:21]  And of course, this narrative is advantageous to governments who want to see people that are divided and constantly fighting one another so that we're not looking in the obvious direction and realizing who's really taking us, you know, away from our goals and taking us away from our future.
[00:03:35]  And the issue is governance.
[00:03:36]  It's always governance, particularly for Black America.
[00:03:39]  You know, welfarism, which came about via the Great Society Act, when Black Americans essentially pledged their allegiance to governments in lieu of black fathers.
[00:03:48]  Father absence is what became a, I shouldn't even call it a predicament.
[00:03:52]  It's a plague upon our society with the single motherhood rate in the black community being above 74% today.
[00:03:59]  Yes, it's unbelievable.
[00:04:00]  And every societal ill has naturally followed.
[00:04:04]  And it's funny because today on my podcast, I was talking about how I always think whose child is this when you see images like we saw and we played on my podcast today, the images of black Americans that were grabbing flat screen TVs out of Target after George Floyd died.
[00:04:20]  And I watched this and I just went, whose child is this?
[00:04:22]  And the truth is that these are children that are from broken homes who are behaving this way because they have been disadvantaged by a government that incentivized poor behavior in the black community.
[00:04:32]  And it's been time for that to stop.
[00:04:34]  It's been time for there to be voices that present a different option for black Americans, for all Americans, because now it's the coddling of all Americans that we're experiencing.
[00:04:43]  And to say that you can choose not to be a victim.
[00:04:47]  You can choose to be a victor.
[00:04:48]  And as soon as you realize that you're not a special snowflake, that you're going to have to work hard, you're going to have to give it your all.
[00:04:54]  Even if you don't have the best starting place in life, it's not about where you start, it's about where you finish.
[00:04:59]  The entire world will open up to you.
[00:05:01]  And as it definitely did for me when I decided on conservative principles over liberal ones.
[00:05:05]  Candace, I have one regret over the last week.
[00:05:07]  I missed you in Chicago.
[00:05:09]  And I had fun because I was able to kind of riff on how Chicago's become a dystopian hellhole.
[00:05:13]  So selfishly, I enjoyed that.
[00:05:15]  But there was one person who asked a question at the beginning.
[00:05:17]  I said, oh my goodness, I wish Candace was here.
[00:05:19]  I did the best I could.
[00:05:21]  It was a black gentleman who was the only liberal black questioner of the whole night, by the way.
[00:05:26]  All the rest were conservative.
[00:05:28]  And he said, it was amazing.
[00:05:30]  And I mean, they were like, oh, we wish Candace was here.
[00:05:32]  And like, but this one guy, right, I did my best, but effectively he said, I can't get anywhere in life in Chicago because of racism.
[00:05:40]  And I asked, I said, really?
[00:05:41]  I mean, how is racism impacting black and black crime?
[00:05:43]  And I asked him the question that you taught me, Candace.
[00:05:45]  I said, what is a bigger issue?
[00:05:47]  You know, the fact that 75% of blacks are being raised without fathers or racism.
[00:05:52]  And he said, racism, right?
[00:05:54]  And just help me understand the calculus there.
[00:05:56]  I think it's so patently insane, obviously.
[00:05:58]  It's insane, but brainwashing is real.
[00:06:00]  Propaganda is effective.
[00:06:02]  Tale is old as time.
[00:06:03]  And people need to realize this is that these people are first and foremost having their families destroyed.
[00:06:08]  They're growing up in single-parent households.
[00:06:10]  And what naturally happens is that they still pursue that paternity and sometimes that maternity elsewhere if they're growing up in completely obliterated households.
[00:06:19]  And who becomes the patron of culture tends to be the Jay-Zs, the Beyoncés, the gang members.
[00:06:25]  And so they are learning this.
[00:06:26]  They're learning that they're victims.
[00:06:28]  They're learning a thuggery.
[00:06:29]  Black women are learning thuggery.
[00:06:31]  They're learning that it's something to be glorified.
[00:06:33]  And it's because ultimately, because they don't have parents, they don't have mom and dad sitting around the table at the end of the day, teaching them the correct values, which is something that the black Americans used to have, right?
[00:06:42]  Again, this all started following the Great Society Act, not before it.
[00:06:46]  Charlie, I cannot not mention this.
[00:06:48]  You were in Chicago and it was cold in Chicago.
[00:06:51]  There was a snowstorm.
[00:06:52]  And I feel it's very important to break the story that the Unsundyro brothers are speaking out regarding their hate crime, which took place for Jesse Smollett.
[00:07:02]  I'm sure you saw this in the news today, Charlie.
[00:07:04]  Oh, is that right?
[00:07:05]  I didn't see that yet.
[00:07:06]  No way.
[00:07:07]  They spoke out.
[00:07:08]  They're speaking out on Fox Nation, Charlie.
[00:07:10]  Oh, my God.
[00:07:10]  It's like, it's going to make your life because you and I hit campuses calling out.
[00:07:15]  We got more material out of this than any other news item.
[00:07:19]  We had way too much fun.
[00:07:21]  We would show up at a campus like University of South Carolina.
[00:07:23]  What are we going to talk about?
[00:07:24]  Oh, we'll just do the Jussie thing.
[00:07:26]  It would be 30 minutes.
[00:07:29]  So good.
[00:07:29]  The Subway sandwich in hand.
[00:07:31]  Yes.
[00:07:32]  The news advertising.
[00:07:34]  The best part is when the cop comes in, he says, why didn't you take the noose off?
[00:07:40]  It's like the cop's like immediate gut reaction.
[00:07:43]  Holding the sand with the ball.
[00:07:45]  Yeah, it's exactly like how good was this foot long, Jesse?
[00:07:48]  You didn't let it go when you were being attacked and bleach was being thrown on you and you're being called the Edward.
[00:07:53]  So the Unsundaro brothers have spoken out and they're laughing as hard as we laughed, Charlie.
[00:07:57]  And they're just like how crazy it was for them to watch him then give that infamous interview to Robin.
[00:08:02]  I'm forgetting.
[00:08:03]  Robin Robinson.
[00:08:04]  Robin Robinson, former Chicago star who went national.
[00:08:07]  Yep.
[00:08:07]  They start laughing, being like, wow, we really realized how crazy he was when he was faking out these tears.
[00:08:13]  And to go back and watch that interview now, it's so great.
[00:08:15]  He's like, I just want the gay boys coming up in society to know that I fought back.
[00:08:22]  It's glorious, Charlie.
[00:08:24]  You get to relive it today, the unsedar.
[00:08:27]  I'm looking at it right.
[00:08:28]  We're going to get some clip because maybe for another segment, we're going to play this.
[00:08:32]  And so for that person at the Chicago event, my retort was he said, There's so much racism in Chicago.
[00:08:37]  I said, I said, here's how I know you're lying.
[00:08:40]  There's so little racism, you have to fake your own hate crimes.
[00:08:42]  Yeah.
[00:08:45]  That's exactly right.
[00:08:47]  And that's why I thought of it because there's so little racism.
[00:08:49]  Also, it's a majority minority city, so don't even get me started on all the lies of people believing this.
[00:08:54]  And that it really was an epidemic of black Americans that were faking their own hate crimes for glory because the media insisted so much and the classrooms insisted so much that there could be glory via victimhood that people began faking their own hate crimes.
[00:09:06]  There just wasn't enough racist material happening in America.
[00:09:09]  Now, to be clear, neither one of us is saying that racism doesn't still exist.
[00:09:12]  We know it still exists.
[00:09:14]  Yes.
[00:09:14]  Especially against white people.
[00:09:15]  You really want to get into it.
[00:09:17]  The policies that they're impacting to basically disadvantage people literally because of the color of their skin.
[00:09:23]  Sorry, you're not black.
[00:09:24]  So we don't want you at the school, even though you have a remarkable record.
[00:09:28]  I mean, that is literally an institutionalized racism is what they're doing to Asian Americans at Harvard.
[00:09:36]  Sorry, you're too smart.
[00:09:37]  And you happen to be Asian, and we want black people.
[00:09:41]  And these are things, by the way, that actually harm black people in the end, which has been proven over and over again.
[00:09:46]  But racism exists.
[00:09:47]  We know that there are people that are naturally hateful, people that hate white people, people that hate black people.
[00:09:52]  And that's not going to go away.
[00:09:53]  But the question is whether or not racism is stopping any individual from getting from point A to point Z.
[00:09:58]  And that is simply not true.
[00:10:00]  There isn't a single thing that you can do as a white man in America that I cannot do as a black woman in America.
[00:10:06]  And so I am daring black Americans to try.
[00:10:09]  And I can't wait to now do this in harmony together again.
[00:10:13]  It's amazing.
[00:10:14]  And summarizing kind of what you just said, Candace, is the danger of believing you are a victim is then it gives people a moral license to victimize others.
[00:10:24]  And so the people that then think they're victims think they can treat other people poorly.
[00:10:29]  Candace, I got a surprise for you.
[00:10:30]  Play Cut 45.
[00:10:32]  Yes.
[00:10:33]  I thought he was a good actor, but I also was thinking that this guy's a fraud.
[00:10:39]  This guy's really sitting here just lying to these people, lying through his teeth, and not caring.
[00:10:47]  I think he should have tears.
[00:10:49]  And I want a little gay boy who might watch this to see that I fought back.
[00:10:55]  This dude is crazy, man.
[00:10:58]  He shed a tear, man.
[00:11:00]  This dude, wild.
[00:11:03]  It's so amazing.
[00:11:05]  It's amazing.
[00:11:07]  This is the gift that keeps on giving.
[00:11:09]  I forgot that he said this.
[00:11:10]  And I want a little gay boy watching this to know that I fought back.
[00:11:16]  He's got his little button.
[00:11:18]  He's got his little like gay pride button.
[00:11:19]  He's got all like that.
[00:11:21]  He's got all the little signs and signals.
[00:11:23]  Here's Cut 46 of the police that walk into Smollett's apartment.
[00:11:27]  It's the body cam footage.
[00:11:29]  Play Cut 46.
[00:11:39]  Do you want to take it off for anything?
[00:11:43]  You're still here, right?
[00:11:44]  Yeah, this is all being out of Levision recorders.
[00:11:48]  He's walking around the apartment.
[00:11:50]  He's walking around the apartment with the news.
[00:11:55]  Here's why I always say people.
[00:11:56]  I'm like, does it pass the sniff test?
[00:11:58]  If it's happening in 2020 onward and it involves a noose, it's probably a lie.
[00:12:04]  You know why?
[00:12:04]  Because kids are not brushing up on their noose tying skills in classrooms.
[00:12:07]  This is just not a relevant thing that people do anymore, tying nooses.
[00:12:11]  It's so ridiculous.
[00:12:11]  It's always going to be a complete scam and a lie.
[00:12:14]  It's basically what they're relying on is cultural depictions of what slaves went through, of what happened in the Jim Crow era at the KKK.
[00:12:21]  And so that's why they go to this as a prop.
[00:12:23]  They're like, oh, well, this is a good prop.
[00:12:24]  People believe this happened.
[00:12:25]  I'm sorry.
[00:12:26]  In the land of selfies and Instagram and kids that can't be bothered to get off of their butts, they're not tying nooses.
[00:12:32]  They're least of all going out in the middle of a polar vortex in Chicago.
[00:12:36]  Well, that's how I, I mean, that's how I knew it was a lie.
[00:12:38]  It was like negative 20 degrees.
[00:12:39]  And by the way, absolutely.
[00:12:40]  If you're going to go out negative 20 degrees, you're not going to brave the cold to go to Subway.
[00:12:44]  And then two people with MAGA hats on on the upper Northeast side say, oh, yeah, this is MAGA country.
[00:12:50]  Candace, you and I have been to a lot of MAGA rallies.
[00:12:52]  No one ever says that.
[00:12:54]  Okay.
[00:12:55]  In the history of Donald Trump supporters, in the entire history since the day that Donald Trump was born, nobody has ever uttered the phrase, this is MAGA country.
[00:13:05]  It doesn't even, it's not even proper.
[00:13:06]  It just sounds awkward and weird.
[00:13:08]  This is MAGA Country.
[00:13:11]  I mean, it's just, it was the story was so ridiculous.
[00:13:14]  We called it as a farce from day one.
[00:13:16]  The journalists absolutely trashed us.
[00:13:17]  I mean, I was just like, first and foremost, black people going out in the middle of the polar vortex.
[00:13:20]  We hate the cold.
[00:13:21]  Okay.
[00:13:22]  This is just 100% of the truth.
[00:13:23]  We hate the cold.
[00:13:23]  We're not doing that.
[00:13:24]  It doesn't pass a sniff test.
[00:13:25]  Absolutely not.
[00:13:26]  We got Uber Eats, so you can order food to Arctic.
[00:13:29]  We're not doing this for a Subway sandwich.
[00:13:31]  Then you get the bleach involved, and you're like, What?
[00:13:34]  What kind of a hate crime?
[00:13:35]  Never even in the history of Black American history were they throwing bleach at black people.
[00:13:38]  So why did we start suddenly in 2019 in Chicago?
[00:13:41]  Because it's not a thing.
[00:13:42]  People don't just go, here, bleach people.
[00:13:44]  I mean, the whole story was so foolish, but they didn't care.
[00:13:48]  They got behind him anyway.
[00:13:49]  They love a good virtue signal.
[00:13:51]  Yeah, there's a deeper point here that I want to explore just a second as we wrap up here, Candace, which is, but if you incentivize being a victim, you get these silly, ridiculous, outrageous theatrics, right?
[00:14:01]  Where actually Jesse saw the highest level of attention he could get is to be a victim of something, not to be the success of something.

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[00:14:10]  Elaborate on that.
[00:14:11]  Absolutely.
[00:14:12]  I mean, nobody knew about his role on empire.
[00:14:14]  He was basically an actor.
[00:14:16]  He had a role, a recurring role on Empire, but nobody knew him.
[00:14:20]  He wasn't an A-list actor by any means.
[00:14:22]  And what better way to climb your way to the A-list than to be a victim?
[00:14:24]  So we're not going to say that you're such a good actor that you're going to be recognized like you're Denzel Washington based on your actual merit.
[00:14:30]  Instead, you can climb very quickly by just saying that you're a victim of the most absurd hate crime that we've ever heard of and that couldn't plausibly have happened, right?
[00:14:39]  And so this is what he did.
[00:14:40]  And he wasn't the only one.
[00:14:42]  He did it perhaps the most gloriously, but let's not forget that there was an epidemic of fake hate crime hoaxes that were happening all across university campuses.
[00:14:50]  People calling themselves the N-word, writing the N-word on their cars.
[00:14:53]  And it was eventually discovered.
[00:14:55]  And these people were basically just giving a little slap on the wrist because who would want to challenge this in the middle of BLM race rhetoric?
[00:15:04]  And that shouldn't have been happening.
[00:15:05]  People should have been expelled.
[00:15:06]  And Jesse Smollett should have spent hard time in prison.
[00:15:09]  It's a supply and demand problem in America.
[00:15:11]  We have such a low supply of racism that people have to go make up their own hate crimes to try to get attention.
[00:15:16]  Candace.
[00:15:17]  We might do that today.
[00:15:18]  I don't know.
[00:15:19]  Yeah, I hope not.
[00:15:21]  I am thrilled that Blexit and Turning Point USA are now one.
[00:15:25]  A beautiful partnership.
[00:15:26]  We're going to see you next week.
[00:15:27]  So, everybody watching, if you want to see, if you live in Louisiana, go to LSU to see Candace.
[00:15:30]  Candace is also in Rutgers, and then we're together in Columbus, Ohio.
[00:15:34]  Three stops.
[00:15:35]  Candace, you're going harder than I am.
[00:15:37]  I'm just doing one.
[00:15:38]  You're doing three next week.
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[00:15:42]  Also, learn more about the partnership with Blexit and TurningpointUSA at tpusa.com.
[00:15:47]  God bless you, Candace.
[00:15:48]  See you next week.
[00:15:49]  Thanks so much for having me, guys.
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=== Men in Women's Sports Debate (09:53) ===

[00:17:13]  Why are we putting up with men playing in women's sports?
[00:17:16]  It's a very simple question.
[00:17:18]  And the Attorney General of West Virginia, someone who I've known for quite some time, actually, who he should be the senator from West Virginia, that's a separate issue, has a pretty serious answer, which is we're going to challenge this in the courts.
[00:17:32]  Joining us now is Patrick Morrissey.
[00:17:35]  Patrick, welcome back to the program.
[00:17:37]  Charlie, it's great to be with you.
[00:17:39]  And you're always spot on on these issues.
[00:17:41]  This is a really interesting case.
[00:17:43]  I'm really excited to talk to you about it today.
[00:17:46]  Yeah, I am, I'm equally as excited.
[00:17:48]  And so why don't you just explain it to our audience?
[00:17:51]  I'm sure there's a lot of legalese involved here.
[00:17:53]  So take as much time as necessary.
[00:17:55]  I ask the simple moral question, why do we allow men in female sports?
[00:18:00]  Explain the legal question.
[00:18:03]  Absolutely.
[00:18:04]  So first of all, as Americans have been watching what's been going on, they saw the NCAA swimming championships.
[00:18:12]  They saw a lot of instances where biological males are coming in to compete in women's sports.
[00:18:19]  And West Virginia, a number of years ago, in an effort to really get ahead of the curve, said, we're not going to let that happen.
[00:18:26]  So the legislature, knowing what the future would likely look like, they said that if you're a biological male, you couldn't play in women's sports.
[00:18:37]  Now, it doesn't deny you the opportunity to play sports.
[00:18:40]  It just says that you're not going to compete on the woman's team.
[00:18:44]  So we thought this was a very reasonable, common sense approach to protect women from a safety perspective and in terms of advancing their athletic opportunities.
[00:18:55]  Charlie, as you know, Title IX has been utilized by women to advance to further athletic activities and also to develop leadership skills with women.
[00:19:08]  So the West Virginia legislature knew all this at the time.
[00:19:11]  They passed a law, but shortly after the law was passed, you got the inevitable challenge from plaintiffs trying to enjoin the law.
[00:19:21]  And in fact, Charlie, they succeeded within a very short period of time.
[00:19:27]  They enjoined a part of our law, and then we went to work.
[00:19:31]  So the judge then gives us the opportunity to submit our evidence, submit the papers, and we begin.
[00:19:38]  We submit over 500 documentaries, over 3,000 pages of evidence showing a lot of the distinction, the advantages that males have over females in athletic competition.
[00:19:52]  And we give that to him.
[00:19:53]  And then in January, Charlie, the district court reverses himself.
[00:19:58]  He actually lifts the injunction and gives us a summary judgment on the merits.
[00:20:03]  A huge victory for West Virginia.
[00:20:05]  And I think really because of all the evidence that we submitted.
[00:20:09]  Now, along the way, we started to get help from female athletes.
[00:20:14]  We had a woman, Lainey Armistead.
[00:20:16]  She was a soccer player at West Virginia Estate.
[00:20:19]  She's represented by ADF.
[00:20:21]  She's done a great job on this.
[00:20:23]  She was able to tell her personal story of growing up with brothers and her concern about males participating.
[00:20:30]  But we went in district court, but then right away, they go back up to the Fourth Circuit.
[00:20:35]  And unfortunately, in an unreasoned decision with really no explanation, the Fourth Circuit reverses the district court judge and once again puts an injunction on the law.
[00:20:47]  And then that puts me in a position of saying, we're going to go up to the Supreme Court to try to lift the injunction.
[00:20:53]  The evidence is very clear that males have an advantage over females in sports.
[00:20:59]  And the legislature is prerogative to act.
[00:21:02]  Yeah, and this is such a silly question, but I have to ask it.
[00:21:06]  Is it really being debated in the courtroom of what is a man and what is a woman?
[00:21:09]  Isn't that the fundamental question here, right?
[00:21:12]  Because Title IX is supposed to carve out special protections for females.
[00:21:16]  And it's not as if the proponents of the alphabet mafia and the trans stuff, they disagree with that.
[00:21:21]  They're just saying, but you can just transition into that category.
[00:21:24]  So isn't that the crux of the legal case here?
[00:21:28]  Yeah, I think that the big piece, Charlie, as you rightly point out, is: was the legislature correct in limiting athletic opportunities and defining it on the basis of sex, biological males and females?
[00:21:42]  And so to me, that's a very straightforward case because I think we do know the difference between males and females.
[00:21:49]  And that's why what I'm most excited about in this case is you had one judge who was no fan of the law slap the injunction on flip around and agree with the biology, agree with the science, agree with the facts.
[00:22:03]  And I think because it's really hard not to agree.
[00:22:07]  Yeah, I just, I'm curious, though, just to kind of for the utility of trying to strengthen one's own argument, what the heck is the argument against it?
[00:22:18]  I mean, what is it?
[00:22:19]  I mean, that men should be able to compete in female sports.
[00:22:23]  Is it because of doctors or what they call the scientific community?
[00:22:27]  What is the argument here against having separate sporting categories?
[00:22:32]  Well, I think what you see is a lot of the advocates are looking to have categories other than biology, and they're looking to make it based on gender identification or other sort of classifications.
[00:22:46]  But ultimately, the court has to decide: was the legislature justified in making a division on the basis of biology as opposed to, say, gender preference or gender identification?
[00:23:00]  And once again, I think to all of us, it's very clear, but there are a lot of people on the other side.
[00:23:05]  I think they've been pushing the envelope.
[00:23:07]  You saw it in the context of bathrooms a number of years ago.
[00:23:11]  You hear it about it in locker rooms.
[00:23:12]  But Charlie, to me, the question of sports is the easiest one to resolve of all, right?
[00:23:19]  Because it's provable as you look at the evidence that men perform better than women.
[00:23:26]  This is not hard.
[00:23:28]  Yeah, I mean, this is not a very difficult question, but we're asking the court to lift the injunction.
[00:23:33]  What that would do is allow us to go back to the Fourth Circuit and continue to litigate.
[00:23:38]  And ultimately, I think if that happens, we're likely to prevail on the merits because this is so straightforward.
[00:23:44]  I want to play a piece of tape here.
[00:23:45]  It's more of a cultural element, a wrinkle here.
[00:23:48]  So, this is the man who appropriates womanhood on the television show.
[00:23:54]  It's very strange with Drew Barrymore, PlayCut 43.
[00:23:59]  There is so much hatred directed at the trans community right now.
[00:24:03]  It's everywhere.
[00:24:04]  And I think the greatest weapon that I can contribute is trans joy in comedy.
[00:24:10]  It's interesting because I look at someone like you and I can't imagine anybody disliking you.
[00:24:15]  Oh, please.
[00:24:16]  Do you know?
[00:24:17]  Do you want to know, ironically, who dislikes me the most sometimes?
[00:24:22]  Who?
[00:24:23]  Myself.
[00:24:23]  Oh, me too.
[00:24:25]  Oh.
[00:24:26]  And I guess we're back in now.
[00:24:32]  Like you've asked me, like, what I would do to combat the hate, right?
[00:24:39]  Yeah, but what do you do?
[00:24:40]  To not carry on in spite of others.
[00:24:43]  I'm sorry.
[00:24:43]  I just realized that I'm sitting on the floor with Drew.
[00:24:46]  It's anxiety to be doing this.
[00:24:48]  Thank you for joining me on the floor.
[00:24:49]  The floor always feels safer.
[00:24:51]  It's just nice.
[00:24:52]  Okay, so there's a lot going on there.
[00:24:54]  I don't know who Drew Barrymore is.
[00:24:55]  Apparently, she's a big deal.
[00:24:56]  But I mean, this goes to this question of fundamental biological categories and how the law intersects with that, right?
[00:25:04]  And you're the Attorney General of West Virginia, so you have to stay very focused on what the law is.
[00:25:09]  But do you think that this is, you know, we're overthinking this?
[00:25:14]  No, I mean, when I'm asked the question is to present the other side in their arguments, or I get encountered with people saying you're just trying to discriminate against a transgender.
[00:25:26]  And the answer is no.
[00:25:27]  I mean, there's no animus.
[00:25:28]  There's no discrimination going on.
[00:25:30]  This is a reflection of the fact that males are different than females.
[00:25:35]  I think many of us know that, but a lot of people try to conflate the terms and they want to engage in athletic competitions, which would, I think, provide women with a huge disadvantage.
[00:25:48]  So look, I know that I get a lot of grief on this.
[00:25:51]  I'm sure there are going to be people nationally upset that we'll bring this forward, but there's no discrimination.
[00:25:57]  There's no animus.
[00:25:58]  This is a recognition that women want to participate in sports.
[00:26:02]  They become leaders through their participation.
[00:26:05]  It's actually completely consistent with Title IX.
[00:26:08]  And the court said that exact thing.
[00:26:11]  So, you know, Charlie, I've been before your program.
[00:26:15]  I've talked about a lot of big legal issues of the day.
[00:26:18]  As I said, this shouldn't be very hard.
[00:26:20]  This is straightforward.
[00:26:22]  And the more that we can make sure that we don't have to go up on common sense measures, the better.
[00:26:27]  But go up, we will when our laws get challenged.
[00:26:31]  Patrick, you're also running for governor.
[00:26:33]  Is that correct?
[00:26:35]  Well, I'm looking very closely at running for governor.
[00:26:38]  I think there were some polling numbers that came out today that suggests that we'd be the overwhelming favorite in West Virginia.
[00:26:45]  But you know, Charlie, I don't take anything lightly.
[00:26:48]  You remember back in 18, I barely lost to Senator Joe Manchin, and he had a lot of resources and strength.
[00:26:54]  But I think people know my record, whether it's winning West Virginia VPA, a huge separation of Powers case, or a lot of big cases.
[00:27:02]  We've been able to help West Virginia, and we're going to keep pressing to do my job.

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[00:27:10]  Very good.
[00:27:11]  Patrick, thank you so much for your leadership, and we'll talk to you soon.
[00:27:14]  Thank you.
[00:27:14]  Hey, thanks, Charlie.
[00:27:15]  Appreciate it.
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[00:28:24]  So the Sacramento B.
[00:28:27]  It's unbelievable that they're allowed to get away with this.
[00:28:31]  Sacramento B writes, here's the headline: another fascist speaker is coming to UC Davis.
[00:28:38]  How should the community respond?
[00:28:40]  First of all, I'm not a fascist, okay?
[00:28:43]  They're the fascists.
[00:28:44]  They're the ones that are going to be in all black with weapons trying to prevent me from speaking tonight.
[00:28:49]  They're the ones where now we need 100-plus police officers.
[00:28:54]  Explain this to me.
[00:28:55]  How would I be a fascist when I allow people that disagree with me to go to the front of the line to ask questions?
[00:29:00]  How is that exactly in the tradition of Mussolini?
[00:29:05]  Hannah Holzer writes in the Sacramento B.
[00:29:08]  This is the most amazing line of the whole thing.
[00:29:11]  She says this, Charlie Kirk has called for the lynching of trans people.
[00:29:17]  A comment that should warrant the cancellation of his event speaking at UC Davis.
[00:29:20]  I have never said that.
[00:29:22]  I have never thought that.
[00:29:23]  That can't be inferred.
[00:29:25]  That even can't be suggested.
[00:29:26]  It is a flat-out lie on the internet that now Hannah Holzer has repeated in the Sacramento B.
[00:29:32]  It is pure and simple slander, defamation, libel, whatever you want to call it.
[00:29:38]  It's right there and it's written.
[00:29:41]  She says that I call for the lynching of trans people.
[00:29:45]  I've never said that.
[00:29:46]  In fact, let me show you what I did say, but they don't look at original documents.
[00:29:51]  They don't look at actually the tape.
[00:29:53]  They're able to write in the Sacramento B that I call for the lynching of trans people.
[00:29:57]  No, no, no, we're going to sue these people.
[00:29:59]  Play cut 50.
[00:30:00]  This is what I did say.
[00:30:01]  Play cut 50.
[00:30:03]  I mean, these people are sick.
[00:30:05]  And I don't say that lightly.
[00:30:07]  The NCAA is a perverted organization.
[00:30:10]  They platformed a biological male who won a national championship and then was allowed in incredibly disturbing detail to be around you and your fellow competitors.
[00:30:21]  And again, I blame the decline of American men.
[00:30:25]  This never should have been, you know, you should have, someone should have just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
[00:30:33]  But, you know, as you have testosterone rates go down and men start acting like women and they don't do anything, then, hey, who's to say?
[00:30:41]  You're going to look, there are a lot of sick people in the world, unfortunately.
[00:30:46]  And without the strength to go against them, the country is going to completely, totally fall apart.
[00:30:53]  Now, Cut 49, I specifically said no violence.
[00:30:56]  By the way, the chancellor, just so we're clear, the chancellor UC Davis just released a statement saying that we advocate for violence at Turning Point USA.
[00:31:04]  No, we don't.
[00:31:04]  They are lying about us.
[00:31:06]  This is what they do.
[00:31:07]  They just make stuff up.
[00:31:09]  We've never said that.
[00:31:10]  We are a peaceful organization.
[00:31:12]  We always have been.
[00:31:13]  We've been the recipients of hate.
[00:31:15]  Our reporters were assaulted this last weekend.
[00:31:17]  Our students have been firebombed.
[00:31:19]  Our students have been bear sprayed.
[00:31:20]  Our students have been hospitalized.
[00:31:22]  Our students have been concussed by left-wing agitators and violent terrorists.
[00:31:27]  We've never done that stuff.
[00:31:28]  Yet they're allowed to say whatever they want.
[00:31:29]  Chancellor UC Davis says that we promote violence.
[00:31:32]  No, we don't.
[00:31:33]  No, we don't.
[00:31:34]  You're a liar.
[00:31:35]  And we're still going to show up.
[00:31:37]  You know who does promote violence?
[00:31:38]  What is this guy?
[00:31:39]  Gary S. May.
[00:31:40]  The terrorists outside promote violence.
[00:31:43]  This is how they try to shut us up.
[00:31:45]  They just make stuff up.
[00:31:46]  Truth is not a left-wing value.
[00:31:48]  What did I say?
[00:31:49]  Play cut 49.
[00:31:51]  We're getting a lot of emails, tons of people.
[00:31:52]  I'll read you this one email.
[00:31:53]  And boy, do I sympathize with this.
[00:31:56]  Charlie, I agree with you.
[00:31:57]  If it was my daughter, I would have been arrested for certain.
[00:32:00]  The fix is very simple.
[00:32:01]  If all the female swimmers boycotted the swim meets, they have no choice but to listen.
[00:32:05]  And look, you got to have self-control and self-restraint.
[00:32:08]  Obviously, we've never advocated for violence on this program.
[00:32:11]  Nor is that not the answer.
[00:32:13]  And I encourage everyone to remain peaceful.
[00:32:17]  Charlie, I heard your segment on the trans swimmer.
[00:32:20]  It's time that we no longer tolerate this and we take matters into our own hands.
[00:32:25]  Okay, look, I want to be very clear.
[00:32:27]  Don't be stupid.
[00:32:28]  You got to work within the law, which means you have to be peaceful.
[00:32:32]  Oh, did they incorporate that in the Sacramento Bee?
[00:32:35]  Did the chancellor incorporate that?
[00:32:37]  No, of course not.
[00:32:38]  They are intentionally and knowingly trying to lie about me.
[00:32:42]  But guess what?
[00:32:42]  We're going to show up.
[00:32:43]  We're still going to show up tonight.
[00:32:45]  But this is a clear-cut example.
[00:32:46]  The Sacramento Bee publishes in their paper that Charlie Kirk has called for the lynching of trans people.
[00:32:52]  You just saw those videos.
[00:32:53]  Did I call for the lynching of trans people?
[00:32:56]  Did I do that?
[00:32:57]  No, no, no.
[00:32:58]  This is their playbook.
[00:32:59]  They lie about you, complete misrepresentations, and they act like we roll over.
[00:33:03]  We don't do that around here.
[00:33:05]  If there's an opportunity to sue, we're going to sue you.
[00:33:07]  By the way, a professor at UC Davis, Joshua Clover, called for the actual killing of cops.
[00:33:13]  He said, quote, I'm thankful that every living cop will one day be dead, some by their own hand, some by others, too many of old age.
[00:33:19]  Quote, people think that cops need to be reformed.
[00:33:21]  They need to be killed.
[00:33:22]  That is a tenured professor at UC Davis, yet the chancellor releases a statement because I'm going to show up to have people that disagree with me go to the front of the line.
[00:33:30]  We're not going to back down.
[00:33:31]  Conservatives of the old Nitt Romney way, they lie over and they ask for apologies.
[00:33:35]  They do anything wrong.
[00:33:36]  The new conservative movement is here.
[00:33:38]  We're going to be at UC Davis tonight.
[00:33:39]  We're going to be peaceful.
[00:33:41]  They'll be violent and we're going to do our event.
[00:33:43]  I hope you guys will support us in that endeavor.
[00:33:45]  This is how we win.
[00:33:46]  And by the way, Sacramento Bee, get your legal department ready.
[00:33:49]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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