The Charlie Kirk Show - Detransitioning with Oli London
Aired: 2023-03-07
Duration: 35:34


=== Regret Over Medical Transition (14:39) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:00]  Today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Ollie London joins us for a powerful hour.
[00:00:05]  He tried to become something he is not.
[00:00:07]  He tried to become a woman and he regretted it.
[00:00:10]  Detransition, he has a warning for all of you parents, for all you grandparents.
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[00:01:15]  I am told by campus activists that we are not allowing enough young people the opportunity to chop off their breasts or chemically castrate themselves.
[00:01:25]  I am told when I go on college campuses that it's affirming care to have 11-year-olds go in multi-hour surgery to try to change their biology.
[00:01:36]  Very powerful story we have this hour incorporates the story of Ollie London.
[00:01:42]  Ollie has a new book coming out called Detransition, a memoir.
[00:01:46]  And I'm going to allow Ollie to tell his story here because it's very powerful and it applies directly to the times that we are living in.
[00:01:54]  Ollie, welcome to the program.
[00:01:56]  Hey, Charlie, great to meet you.
[00:01:58]  So, Ollie, why don't you tell your story to our audience and we'll go from there?
[00:02:02]  Right.
[00:02:02]  So, as a young kid, I always questioned my gender.
[00:02:05]  I used to be a little bit more feminine.
[00:02:07]  So, I would play with Barbie dolls.
[00:02:09]  I wasn't interested in sports.
[00:02:11]  I wasn't interested in boys' things.
[00:02:13]  And as I became a teenager at school, you know, that's a very difficult time when you're going through puberty.
[00:02:18]  You always question yourself.
[00:02:19]  You know, some people get confused.
[00:02:21]  And at the time, I was confused.
[00:02:23]  I used to get bullied a lot for the way I looked.
[00:02:26]  You know, people would call me ugly, horrible names.
[00:02:29]  Girls wouldn't want to date me when I was at school.
[00:02:31]  They said I was too feminine or too much like a girl.
[00:02:33]  So I always had questions about my gender.
[00:02:36]  And, you know, I was kind of listening to what people are saying about me.
[00:02:38]  And I thought, you know what?
[00:02:40]  I want to prove these bullies wrong.
[00:02:41]  I want to change myself.
[00:02:42]  I want to make myself look better.
[00:02:45]  So as I became an adult, I started having surgery.
[00:02:49]  I was living in Korea.
[00:02:50]  I liked the Korean aesthetics.
[00:02:51]  So it really started from there.
[00:02:53]  And I got to a point where I'd had dozens of plastic surgeries over a 10-year period.
[00:02:58]  And I still wasn't happy.
[00:03:00]  And I'd always had people telling me I was more feminine.
[00:03:03]  I was more like a girl, you know, all throughout my life.
[00:03:05]  So I got to a point where I was like, maybe these people are right.
[00:03:10]  Maybe I've been chasing, you know, all this plastic surgery, all this perfection.
[00:03:14]  Maybe I'm misplacing this.
[00:03:16]  And maybe I'm meant to be a trans.
[00:03:18]  So I actually had 11 facial feminization surgery procedures, which were so painful, couldn't even open my eyes for three days.
[00:03:25]  And that was to feminize my face.
[00:03:27]  I got hair extensions.
[00:03:29]  I was living as a transgender woman, going out in public.
[00:03:32]  You know, I was at the Cairns Film Festival wearing dresses.
[00:03:35]  And, you know, I was happy for a short time.
[00:03:38]  It was a temporary fix, which I think many people that transition, they have that temporary serotonin, that dopamine rush.
[00:03:45]  And then after a while, that kind of evaporates.
[00:03:49]  And then you realize, wow, I've made a mistake.
[00:03:52]  So I detransitioned late last year when I got to a point and I was like, why have I done this to myself?
[00:03:58]  studied going to church and realized, you know, there's more to life than trying to pursue someone, you know, trying to become someone that you're not.
[00:04:06]  And I finally kind of found happiness from within.
[00:04:10]  So let's kind of go back a little bit in time.
[00:04:13]  At what age were you when you started to get surgical interventions to try to change your aesthetic, your appearance, or what you thought of yourself to be?
[00:04:27]  So it wasn't as a teenager for me because surgery wasn't really accessible.
[00:04:31]  But when I moved to South Korea, South Korea is actually the plastic surgery capital of the world.
[00:04:36]  They perform a million procedures every year.
[00:04:38]  Wow.
[00:04:38]  So, you know, there's a real social pressure over there to look a certain way.
[00:04:42]  And, you know, you see these K-pop stars, you see billboards of beautiful people.
[00:04:46]  And that is a sign of success.
[00:04:48]  That is a sign of happiness.
[00:04:49]  So it shows you that in order to succeed in life, you need to look a certain way.
[00:04:53]  So I really started from there.
[00:04:54]  I really hated the way I looked.
[00:04:56]  You know, I had terrible body dysmorphia, gender dysphoria.
[00:04:59]  And, you know, many of these Korean pop stars, they look very feminine.
[00:05:03]  So I was going for that look.
[00:05:05]  And it really became an unhealthy addiction.
[00:05:07]  And, you know, surgery is like that for many young people.
[00:05:12]  And I just became so confused with my identity, so unhappy.
[00:05:16]  I wanted to reinvent myself.
[00:05:18]  You know, I loved Korea.
[00:05:19]  I loved Korean people.
[00:05:20]  I wanted to fit in there.
[00:05:22]  And, you know, I felt like I fitted in.
[00:05:24]  And these days, Charlie, all of these trans activists, all of these non-binary people, they constantly preach that you can identify as whatever you want.
[00:05:33]  So I was like, why not?
[00:05:34]  You know, I love Korea.
[00:05:35]  I want to be Korean.
[00:05:36]  Why not?
[00:05:37]  You know, I didn't see the harm in it.
[00:05:38]  In retrospect, I realized it was very delusional.
[00:05:42]  And I was kind of having a mental health crisis based on this surgery addiction and wanting to change my identity.
[00:05:49]  And then obviously I became a woman because I was still very confused.
[00:05:52]  And, you know, I finally woke up to that.
[00:05:55]  And I'm very happy with where I am right now.
[00:05:57]  Okay.
[00:05:58]  I have several questions and I want to encourage you and thank you for your willingness to speak out because I'm sure there's a fair amount of people that are coming after you because of what you're saying and doing.
[00:06:10]  So let me ask the question this way, which is when you started to doubt your transition to a woman, and I put that in quotes.
[00:06:21]  Walk us through that.
[00:06:23]  What did you feel like?
[00:06:25]  What did you begin to ask yourself?
[00:06:28]  Was it outside influences?
[00:06:30]  That's very interesting to me.
[00:06:33]  Right.
[00:06:33]  So I'd had all of this surgery.
[00:06:35]  I'd had the hair extensions.
[00:06:36]  I was going out in public as a transgender woman.
[00:06:40]  But, you know, I was always very respectful.
[00:06:42]  I would never use women's spaces.
[00:06:43]  I was, you know, I've always, you know, respected women.
[00:06:47]  But, you know, I got to a point where I was thinking, do I need to get more surgery?
[00:06:51]  Why am I not happy?
[00:06:52]  I kept questioning myself.
[00:06:53]  I'm still not happy.
[00:06:54]  I've done this transition.
[00:06:56]  I've changed my entire identity.
[00:06:58]  I'm still really unhappy inside.
[00:07:00]  So I realized, you know, I'm either going to get loads more surgery.
[00:07:03]  I'm going to transition fully or I can take a step back and reflect on what I'm doing and reflect that this is never going to make me happy.
[00:07:10]  You know, changing your entire body, changing your identity, changing your gender is never going to make you happy.
[00:07:16]  It's just a temporary fix.
[00:07:17]  So I realized that the wake-up moment was really, I was thinking, I'm either going to do more surgery or I'm going to stop this.
[00:07:24]  And I started going to church and just spending time there.
[00:07:27]  I'd close my eyes.
[00:07:28]  I would pray, you know, trying to find a solution.
[00:07:30]  I would speak with fellow Christians in the church and they would, they were non-judgmental.
[00:07:35]  They were very nice to me.
[00:07:37]  And then I started reading passages from the Bible and it just made me realize, you know, God creates people, you know, the way they are and there's no need to change.
[00:07:45]  So I kind of, you know, found that message very helpful with my story.
[00:07:50]  And, you know, I just realized I need to get back to the real me.
[00:07:54]  So you say something interesting, which is almost that you were pursuing happiness.
[00:07:59]  Do you think a majority of people that go through surgical interventions are actually trying to pursue some sort of happiness?
[00:08:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:08:09]  And I think this is the case with we're seeing across the U.S., you know, thousands of teens being put in the gender affirming care system.
[00:08:16]  And, you know, they love to use the word care as if it's helping these kids when really it's actually putting kids in harm's way.
[00:08:22]  So, you know, a lot of people feel that this is a solution.
[00:08:25]  And a lot of doctors tell the kids and their parents, this is going to answer all of their problems.
[00:08:30]  It's going to prevent suicide.
[00:08:32]  It's going to prevent all of the depression symptoms they currently have.
[00:08:35]  So, you know, we're seeing it as a fix, but it's actually a very temporary fix because, you know, in many cases, we're seeing thousands of teens detransition.
[00:08:44]  Many cases, they were only happy for six months.
[00:08:46]  They were only happy for a very short time before they realized they'd made a huge mistake.
[00:08:51]  So I think, you know, in the age of social media, in the modern age, everybody wants a quick fix, right?
[00:08:57]  A lot of people have mental health struggles these days, especially since the pandemic.
[00:09:01]  And people want that happiness.
[00:09:02]  They want that dopamine rush.
[00:09:03]  So they think if I go to a doctor, they can give me hormones.
[00:09:06]  They can give me puberty blockers.
[00:09:08]  They can cut off my body parts.
[00:09:10]  I'm going to be happy.
[00:09:11]  And then they realize after a few months, wow, I've made a terrible mistake.
[00:09:14]  But at that point, it's irreversible and they've done a terrible harm to their body.
[00:09:19]  So I'm going to ask you a question that might be hard to quantify, but the regret you felt once you felt that regret, was it greater than any happiness high that you felt?
[00:09:30]  I know that might be a hard equation, but does that make sense?
[00:09:36]  Yeah, I mean, I only ever really had temporary happiness.
[00:09:39]  So I've had 32 surgeries in total.
[00:09:42]  So I've had six nose surgeries, jaw surgery, chin.
[00:09:44]  So, you know, I've done a lot of things to myself.
[00:09:47]  And every time I was only happy for a couple of months, and then I would want more.
[00:09:51]  And I think that's the case with many young people these days.
[00:09:54]  They want more.
[00:09:55]  They're never happy.
[00:09:56]  And they think, you know, having a surgery, changing their gender is the solution when it's really, really not.
[00:10:02]  So for me, it was a temporary happiness.
[00:10:05]  And I deeply regret what I went through now.
[00:10:08]  And almost, you know, I have a lot of followers on TikTok and Instagram.
[00:10:11]  I almost feel like I was a very bad influence, you know, because I was very open sharing my journey and stuff.
[00:10:17]  And, you know, now I'm actually realizing, you know, how harmful it can be for young people when they see influences online.
[00:10:24]  So I'm trying to be a positive influence and speak up, you know, because no child should be medically transitioned.
[00:10:30]  You know, no woman should feel unsafe in their own space and parents need to retain their rights.
[00:10:34]  So, no, I regret my past, but I'm trying to make amends.
[00:10:38]  You know, I'm trying to redeem all of that.
[00:10:41]  No, no, no, I'm not trying to, you know, open up closed wounds.
[00:10:44]  I'm just trying to communicate to some people out there that legitimately think they're doing something loving by chopping off an 11-year-old's breasts.
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[00:11:58]  Ali, I have several questions here.
[00:12:00]  Let me begin by asking you, what is your current advice to a young person right now or a parent that feels as if medical transition, I put that in quotes because you actually don't transition.
[00:12:16]  is the only option.
[00:12:17]  In fact, parents email me, they say, Charlie, I just got back from the doctor and they say, would you rather have a trans son or a dead daughter?
[00:12:27]  What is your response to that?
[00:12:28]  Absolutely.
[00:12:29]  And that's the typical response of doctors.
[00:12:31]  They try to coerce parents and children and pressure them that if you do not transition this child, you're going to have a dead child.
[00:12:38]  Well, actually, I think it's the opposite because these children don't realize just how much it changes the body, just how much it messes with the brain when they have all these hormones, these puberty blockers.
[00:12:48]  And for a girl, we're seeing many cases now, mostly girls transitioning to boys.
[00:12:53]  If they want to totally do the surgeries and everything, they actually have to have a massive chunk of their arm taken out, which scars them for life to recreate body parts.
[00:13:02]  And it's just, it's literally like what Dr. Mengel did during World War II, you know, experimenting on vulnerable children.
[00:13:08]  And we've seen, you know, to every child that's considering this, don't do it.
[00:13:12]  We're seeing studies coming out now.
[00:13:14]  There was a study in the top gender clinic in Finland the other day.
[00:13:19]  The top gender clinic professor said that four out of five children, teens, they grow out of the gender.
[00:13:26]  Most people grow out of it.
[00:13:28]  They grow up to be healthy adults.
[00:13:29]  They're very happy that they didn't transition.
[00:13:32]  So to any child, you know, you might be feeling like this now.
[00:13:35]  For girls, you know, some girls are tomboys.
[00:13:37]  They want to play soccer.
[00:13:38]  They want to be outside.
[00:13:39]  That's absolutely fine.
[00:13:40]  And some boys are a little bit more girly.
[00:13:42]  But medically transitioning is never, ever the answer.
[00:13:45]  It's going to give them so many health problems.
[00:13:48]  They're going to regret it.
[00:13:48]  It's also so bad for mental health.
[00:13:51]  You know, it's really increases depression.
[00:13:53]  It increases blood pressure levels.
[00:13:56]  Most of these children have now a higher risk of having diabetes and heart conditions.
[00:14:00]  The study in Finland even said there's a much higher risk of having a stroke or a heart attack on someone that takes testosterone or estrogen on a long-term basis.
[00:14:09]  So kids, don't do it.
[00:14:11]  You're going to grow out of this.
[00:14:12]  It's absolutely fine.
[00:14:13]  And parents, you know, parents always want the best for their kids.
[00:14:16]  But sadly, many doctors and teachers are giving these parents the wrong information.
[00:14:21]  And we have places like California and Oregon, which are sanctuary states, where a child can be there 15 years old without the parents' knowledge or consent.
[00:14:30]  And these doctors can medically transition and mutilate these children.
[00:14:34]  It's no different to what happens in Somalia with female genital mutilation.
[00:14:38]  That is outlawed.

=== Healthcare As A Veneer (02:46) ===

[00:14:39]  The United Nations, you know, has a very strong response against that.
[00:14:44]  Everybody knows that's bad.
[00:14:45]  So why on earth are we doing the same in America, in the UK and other countries?
[00:14:49]  It's literally like a science experiment.
[00:14:52]  It's awful.
[00:14:53]  Parents are being told it's their only option.
[00:14:56]  People that support this look at it as gender affirming care and they say it's loving and compassionate, when in reality it is cruel and it is harsh and severe.
[00:15:10]  Ali, you mentioned Dr. Mengele.
[00:15:13]  I think that's important because he's not the only doctor of the last hundred years to do something awful and evil, right?
[00:15:20]  Dr. Kvorkian or Dr. Kinsey.
[00:15:23]  But they do this under the veneer of healthcare.
[00:15:29]  Help explain that.
[00:15:30]  We have a couple minutes for the break.
[00:15:32]  They say it is healthcare and doctors would never do anything wrong.
[00:15:37]  That's the response I receive, your response.
[00:15:40]  Well, that's exactly how they justify it, you know, and especially a lot of LGBT organizations are pushing this.
[00:15:46]  You have the human rights campaign.
[00:15:48]  You have the GLAD organization.
[00:15:50]  They're very aggressive with their approach to medically transition children.
[00:15:54]  And it's so, so dangerous to have that narrative, but they pretend it's loving, it's caring.
[00:15:59]  And if you don't support that as a parent, you are a terrible parent.
[00:16:03]  You're called a narcissist.
[00:16:04]  You're, in many cases, we have now Washington State, they're trying to take kids away from their parents and put them in foster care because that parent doesn't want their kid to medically transition.
[00:16:13]  I mean, that does not sound like America.
[00:16:16]  That sounds like communism.
[00:16:17]  It sounds like something that would happen in North Korea or Russia.
[00:16:21]  You know, why is this happening in America?
[00:16:23]  It is an absolute horror story.
[00:16:25]  And, you know, you have people like Senator Scott Wiener, who is behind many of the California laws.
[00:16:29]  He sponsors all of these bills.
[00:16:31]  He is terrible.
[00:16:32]  You see him at pride parades in BDSM gear, promoting these things.
[00:16:36]  He was even behind a law to help paedophiles basically to get them off the sex offenders register.
[00:16:42]  I mean, he has a real evil agenda.
[00:16:44]  And these people, you know, they mask their agenda with smiles, with, you know, colorful flags.
[00:16:49]  And, you know, it's all about accepting and loving.
[00:16:52]  And you have these drag queens that are performing very sexually explicit shows in front of children.
[00:16:57]  But if you dare to question that, you're called transphobic.
[00:17:00]  And we need to change that narrative.
[00:17:02]  I saw, obviously, Michael Knowles at CPAC, and, you know, he did use very strong language.
[00:17:07]  But, you know, I think, you know, he was totally misquoted by the mainstream media.
[00:17:10]  He was simply trying to say, we need to get this out of public life.
[00:17:14]  We should not be having kids attending drag shows.
[00:17:16]  We should not be having schools pushing this on kids with these books in these libraries teaching kids about sex.
[00:17:23]  It's grotesque.

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[00:18:40]  So, Ali, I'm going to play some pieces of tape here and we're going to go through this.
[00:18:43]  I think it's really important.
[00:18:44]  But before we do, I just want to make sure you had an opportunity to tell one part of your story that you mentioned that I was saving for later in our conversation.
[00:18:53]  You said you found God.
[00:18:55]  Why was that transformational in your process regarding your struggle with your gender identity?
[00:19:03]  So, it was something that I really needed.
[00:19:05]  And I got to a point, you know, for most of these people have mental health struggles that are changed in their gender, that are non-binary, you know, many of them.
[00:19:13]  And, you know, firstly, doctors should have a duty of care.
[00:19:16]  You know, they should be looking at these factors.
[00:19:18]  We're seeing many kids that have autism, many kids that have depression or suicidal tendencies.
[00:19:24]  They are being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and being medically transitioned.
[00:19:29]  So, you know, I suffered with depression.
[00:19:31]  I suffered with body dysmorphia for most of my life.
[00:19:34]  I've managed to overcome that now.
[00:19:35]  But really, going to church helped me overcome that because I was so lost.
[00:19:39]  I was like a lost sheep, you know, alone in the wilderness, which is what many of these, you know, kids that are transitioning.
[00:19:46]  They, you know, they're welcomed into this cult, this trans cult, and then suddenly they're outcasts.
[00:19:50]  So I was very confused.
[00:19:52]  I was very lost.
[00:19:52]  And just going to church gave me solace.
[00:19:54]  It gave me meaning in life.
[00:19:56]  And I've been missing that meaning my whole life.
[00:19:58]  You know, I've been struggling with identity, but it was almost, you know, in reflection and narcissistic pursuit.
[00:20:03]  I just wanted to look a certain way.
[00:20:05]  I wanted to change every single detail about me.
[00:20:08]  And I realized, you know, God made me and God makes all of us the way he does.

=== God Made Us Right (15:19) ===

[00:20:14]  So, you know, yes.
[00:20:16]  Exactly.
[00:20:17]  So why on earth should I or anybody be trying to change that?
[00:20:21]  You know, instead, it should focus on what's inside and also focus on, you know, kindness.
[00:20:26]  As I've learned from many of the stories with Jesus, you know, when he went to cleanse the leper, this person that was outcast by society, Jesus went to cleanse him of his sins.
[00:20:35]  You know, that I found very powerful in the sense that, you know, we all need to speak up for others.
[00:20:41]  So going to church and finding God made me realize, you know, I need to stop this crazy pursuit.
[00:20:47]  And it was insanity.
[00:20:48]  It was, I acknowledge it was a mental health crisis, you know, to stop this insanity and actually stop what's going on right now.
[00:20:54]  So it's given me purpose that, you know, Jesus was trying to help the world.
[00:20:58]  I want to also try to help people and, you know, warn these kids and warn parents because we need to restore parental rights.
[00:21:04]  We need to protect children.
[00:21:05]  And many of these kids are being influenced by TikTok and other apps to transition.
[00:21:10]  Do you think TikTok is playing a major role in this crisis?
[00:21:15]  If I said that a couple of weeks ago and the media came after me, I said TikTok is making kids more likely to identify as trans.
[00:21:22]  Is that true?
[00:21:24]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:21:24]  I mean, 60% of U.S. teens are on TikTok.
[00:21:27]  They spend on average 91 minutes per day.
[00:21:30]  So, you know, kids are addicted to TikTok.
[00:21:32]  We have 11, 12-year-olds going on to TikTok.
[00:21:35]  They're scrolling through the videos.
[00:21:36]  They're seeing Dylan Mulvaney.
[00:21:38]  They're seeing Jeffrey Marsh, who is basically grooming these kids, basically telling them to cut off their parents, telling them to transition.
[00:21:44]  And it's harmful.
[00:21:45]  You know, social media is meant to be uplifting.
[00:21:48]  It's meant to be about sharing positive things.
[00:21:50]  And if you look at China's version of TikTok, which is called Doo Yen, all of the videos are about patriotism, about education, about skill sharing.
[00:21:59]  And you go on the American TikTok and you've got, you know, a man in a dress in a woman's toilet bragging.
[00:22:04]  You know, you've got this Jeffrey Marsh guy, you know, telling kids to cut off their parents, to change their gender, and they should message him privately.
[00:22:12]  This is very dangerous because these people, you know, they might feel like they're trans, but they shouldn't be pushing that on other people.
[00:22:19]  And I think it's very, very harmful.
[00:22:20]  I think TikTok needs to be looked at.
[00:22:22]  I know the Republicans and the GOP are looking at that because, you know, TikTok is definitely pushing something.
[00:22:29]  It needs to be.
[00:22:30]  I believe it completely and totally.
[00:22:32]  And the adults that run DC, they haven't listened to us and we've told them it's a social contagion.
[00:22:38]  I want to play this piece of tape here, Ollie.
[00:22:40]  There's a lot of different ways we can go with this.
[00:22:42]  Do we have the NBA team tape?
[00:22:43]  Do we have that one loaded, guys?
[00:22:45]  If not, we'll get to that in a second.
[00:22:46]  But all right, there's a very short piece of tape here.
[00:22:49]  So a National Basketball Association team, the Toronto Raptors, they made a video as to what women mean to them.
[00:22:59]  And it was in response to, you know, Beyonce once said that women run the world.
[00:23:03]  Why do you think they run the world?
[00:23:05]  One of them said, well, it's because they are the only one that can procreate and they bring life into this world.
[00:23:09]  They are now forced to apologize and say, no, that's actually not true.
[00:23:14]  Play Cut 29 for the video that the NBA team is now forced to apologize for.
[00:23:19]  Play Cut 29.
[00:23:22]  Girls run the world because they're the only one that can procreate.
[00:23:25]  They birth everybody.
[00:23:27]  All women are great because they're all queens.
[00:23:32]  Now, that little thing right there has now caused a firestorm and the NBA has apologized for being anti-trans.
[00:23:39]  Ali, your reaction.
[00:23:40]  Well, you know, I think wokeness has really gone mad.
[00:23:43]  I mean, it's just become absolutely insane.
[00:23:45]  We saw the other day Hershey's had a man for their International Women's Day campaign.
[00:23:49]  We're seeing tampon brands having men advertising and saying that they're struggling with menstrual cycles.
[00:23:55]  It's just become such a joke.
[00:23:57]  Let's play cut 30 here when let's play cut 30.
[00:24:00]  What's the gender affirmation process?
[00:24:02]  Affirmation means that as a pediatrician, as someone who says my job is to provide the best medical care for you, is I need to listen really carefully.
[00:24:13]  And how I put it in words for kids so that they can understand it is, tell me your story.
[00:24:18]  Where have you been in terms of your gender and your gender identity?
[00:24:22]  Where are you right now?
[00:24:24]  And more excitingly, where would you like to be in the future?
[00:24:28]  That is a pediatrician who should be in jail who is asking a young child what they think of their gender identity and where they want to go.
[00:24:36]  Ollie, what is your reaction to that clip?
[00:24:38]  Well, I have seen Matt Walsh's documentary and I think he's done a fantastic job.
[00:24:42]  He's really leading the charge with combating this woke ideology.
[00:24:46]  And, you know, this is the problem.
[00:24:48]  This is what the pediatricians are like.
[00:24:50]  They're so delusional.
[00:24:52]  I think they believe their own delusions.
[00:24:53]  And, you know, they think it's perfectly normal to erase the word women.
[00:24:57]  They think it's absolutely fine for a man to suddenly self-identify, go into a women's safe space, or for men to compete in women's sport and for children to transition.
[00:25:06]  No, it's a delusion, but also we have to think these pediatricians, Charlie, they're profiting.
[00:25:11]  $2.2 billion was the amount that these gender clinics made last year.
[00:25:15]  There's over 100 pediatric clinics across the U.S. They're making so much money from this.
[00:25:20]  And, you know, they should be charged with crimes against humanity for what they're doing to children.
[00:25:25]  And parents that are willingly going alongside of it, it really shows me how awful some parents are in America.
[00:25:31]  And they're parenting out of fear too.
[00:25:32]  Play Cut 31.
[00:25:33]  This is, again, if you have not seen Matt Welsh's film, What is a Woman?
[00:25:36]  It is one of the most persuasive films I have ever seen on any topic, let alone this idea of social contagion.
[00:25:44]  Matt did an unbelievable job.
[00:25:46]  Play Cut 31.
[00:25:48]  Have you ever met a four-year-old who believes in Santa Claus?
[00:25:54]  So this is someone who believes that a fat man is traveling through the sky on a flying reindeer at lightning speed, coming down his chimney with presents.
[00:26:03]  Yeah.
[00:26:04]  Would you say that this is someone who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?
[00:26:08]  They have an appropriate four-year-old handle on the reality that's very real for them.
[00:26:13]  Agreed.
[00:26:13]  Agreed.
[00:26:14]  But Santa Claus is real for them, but Santa Claus is not actually real.
[00:26:17]  Yeah, well, but Santa Claus does deliver their Christmas presents.
[00:26:21]  Well, yeah, but he's not real, though.
[00:26:23]  To that child, they are.
[00:26:27]  Ollie, your thoughts?
[00:26:29]  Well, firstly, you can see that lady, she's got that passive-aggressive smile, which you see all too often with these people trying to push to transition children.
[00:26:37]  I mean, you can see that in her face, and she really believes what she's doing, transitioning children, is totally okay.
[00:26:44]  And I think that was a great analogy.
[00:26:45]  You know, Santa Claus isn't real, but kids think it's real.
[00:26:49]  But same with gender, you know, kids might be pushed that they can change their gender.
[00:26:54]  Doesn't mean they should.
[00:26:55]  And that really is an interesting thing.
[00:26:57]  So I can connect two parts.
[00:26:59]  So you have found God and praise God for that.
[00:27:01]  And you found Jesus, which is a belief in objective truth, right?
[00:27:05]  Is a belief in a transcendent order.
[00:27:07]  But for her, this criminal doctor who calls herself a pediatrician in Boston, she says that, well, you know, it's true to them.
[00:27:19]  What are the implications of that, Ollie?
[00:27:21]  I mean, then all of a sudden, man does whatever is right in his own eyes.
[00:27:25]  Well, absolutely.
[00:27:26]  And that's what we're seeing these days, Charlie, with self-identification.
[00:27:30]  We had a case in Scotland in the UK where this murderer decided to become trans so he'd get into a women's prison.
[00:27:37]  And they actually put him in the women's prison.
[00:27:39]  And then after that, he decided to become a baby.
[00:27:42]  And the prison service went along with it.
[00:27:44]  They gave him diapers, they gave him a dummy, and they were holding his hand when he left.
[00:27:48]  So, no, where does this end, Charlie?
[00:27:50]  You know, now they're targeting children.
[00:27:52]  The next thing is going to be transage, where adult men are identifying as babies.
[00:27:56]  We're seeing that, and they're pushing more and more extreme things.
[00:27:59]  And, you know, that's how they win this war they're trying to do on children.
[00:28:03]  They basically make things normal so that you accept it.
[00:28:06]  It might seem shocking now that a man is identifying as a baby, but in five years' time, the LGBT community, the alphabet, they're going to add that on there, you know, minor attracted people.
[00:28:15]  They're going to add that.
[00:28:16]  And if anybody questions that, they're transphobic or a bigot.
[00:28:19]  And I think that's the danger with this.
[00:28:22]  I mean, that's just the beginning of it.
[00:28:23]  You're right over the target, which is the death of absolute and objective truth will turn the entire society into chaos.
[00:28:33]  And language is how we represent things that are objectively true.
[00:28:38]  And the postmodernists, you go all the way back to One Dimensional Man, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida.
[00:28:44]  You go back to Michelle Foucault.
[00:28:47]  They've always been focused on language.
[00:28:51]  And this is one of the, this is the argument made in John 1 in the beginning was the word.
[00:28:56]  You need to be able to have agreed upon terms, the logos, or else you have absolute social anarchy, which I'm afraid is actually part of their goal.
[00:29:05]  I think they want more totalitarianism.
[00:29:08]  Is there a totalitarian streak that runs through some of these people?
[00:29:11]  Absolutely.
[00:29:12]  I mean, you can see their levels of aggression.
[00:29:14]  If women are holding a speech for a feminist, these trans activists turn up, you know, they have their masks, they have all their facial piercings, and they're so aggressive.
[00:29:22]  You know, they assault people, they leak people's address, they doxing, they physically assault women.
[00:29:28]  Men are going into women's toilets and, you know, screaming at women if they don't accept them being in there.
[00:29:32]  And, you know, these people, you know, they belong in North Korea.
[00:29:35]  They hate democracy.
[00:29:36]  They hate America.
[00:29:37]  They hate freedom.
[00:29:38]  They hate women.
[00:29:39]  Send them to North Korea because that definitely aligns with their values.
[00:29:41]  You know, I think these people, you know, they're against free speech and nobody is allowed to question them.
[00:29:46]  You know, anyone that detransitions is suddenly cast out of this cult.
[00:29:50]  They are vilified.
[00:29:51]  And transgenderism is a cult.
[00:29:53]  I will say that.
[00:29:53]  Like, you know, they welcome people with open arms.
[00:29:56]  As soon as you dare to question their narrative, you are thrown out and vilified.
[00:30:00]  And that's exactly what I've experienced since announcing my detransition in my book.
[00:30:04]  They're coming for me, but, you know, I really don't care.
[00:30:06]  I'm speaking up for kids.
[00:30:07]  I'm going to have Ollie respond to my question, which is, how should we treat?
[00:30:11]  But let me show you how they're currently treating.
[00:30:13]  This is from a now-deleted video from the Boston Children's Hospital, PlayCut 32.
[00:30:19]  So most of the patients that we have in the GEMS clinic actually know their gender, usually around the age of puberty, but a good portion of children do know as early as seemingly from the womb.
[00:30:29]  And they will usually express their gender identity as very young children.
[00:30:32]  Some, as soon as they can talk, they might say phrases such as, I'm a girl, or I'm a boy, or I'm going to be a woman or I'm going to be a mom.
[00:30:39]  Kids know very, very early.
[00:30:41]  So in the GEMS clinic, we see a variety of young children all the way down to ages two and three and usually up to the ages of nine.
[00:30:49]  There is no evidence for any of this.
[00:30:50]  This is wizardry.
[00:30:52]  This is like voodoo stuff.
[00:30:54]  Ollie, how should we treat an 11-year-old that might be saying, maybe I think I'm a girl?
[00:30:59]  I saw something on TikTok.
[00:31:01]  Okay, go see the doctor.
[00:31:03]  What should the treatment process be?
[00:31:05]  Well, firstly, we have to look at the factors that influence these kids to feel like this.
[00:31:10]  You know, one of the causes can be severe bullying, and kids want to fit in these days.
[00:31:15]  So if you have a class with five transgender students, their friends are going to want to be transgender.
[00:31:20]  We saw that with Missouri with the whistleblower and some leaked emails, that groups of girls from the same class in the same schools were being referred.
[00:31:27]  So, you know, kids want to fit into school.
[00:31:29]  So they're falling for these social pressures.
[00:31:31]  We also need to look at other factors that many of these kids being diagnosed with gender dysphoria have other medical or mental health conditions.
[00:31:40]  So we should be treating that instead and not automatically saying this child should transition.
[00:31:45]  And, you know, it's very normal for a teenager, they're going through puberty to question themselves.
[00:31:49]  Totally normal.
[00:31:51]  And, you know, Charlie, 15, 20 years ago, 20 years ago, we didn't have this in schools.
[00:31:55]  Kids, you know, a girl might play with boys' toys, whatever.
[00:31:58]  Nobody cared.
[00:31:59]  Nobody questioned it.
[00:32:00]  So, you know, this push that we have right now, it's harmful.
[00:32:04]  And we need to stop the teachers teaching this.
[00:32:06]  We need to stop drag shows pushing these ideas on kids.
[00:32:10]  And we need to stop this push from the medical industry to transition kids.
[00:32:14]  You know, would you say that an appropriate level of care should be how it was 20 years ago?
[00:32:18]  You address it.
[00:32:19]  You get some counseling.
[00:32:21]  You might maybe talk about the underlying issues.
[00:32:23]  Like, hey, maybe your father's not around or your mom might be a little kind of off the rails or distracted and you have some therapy and say, hey, you know, you're 11 years old.
[00:32:32]  All of a sudden, you're going through puberty.
[00:32:34]  You got some raging hormones.
[00:32:36]  You know, you're going to develop into somebody beautiful and different.
[00:32:41]  But, you know, surgically going after yourself is actually really harsh.
[00:32:45]  And let's not do that.
[00:32:46]  I mean, that's how a rational country would handle this, right?
[00:32:50]  Right.
[00:32:51]  I mean, you don't see cases of transgender kids in China, do you?
[00:32:54]  I've never seen a case.
[00:32:55]  I've spent a lot of time in China, never seen a single case of that.
[00:32:59]  So it's certainly something that's being pushed, particularly in America and some European countries.
[00:33:03]  Again, we need to look at underlying reasons.
[00:33:05]  They might have other issues that they're struggling with, you know, and give them counseling or therapy and just tell them that, you know, it's a phase.
[00:33:12]  They're a teenager.
[00:33:13]  This is totally normal.
[00:33:15]  You know, we all go through a phase as a teenager.
[00:33:17]  Some people want to be a goth, some people are emo, but it doesn't mean you should be medically transitioning.
[00:33:22]  I mean, that's just crazy.
[00:33:23]  We don't see that in China.
[00:33:25]  We don't see that in African countries.
[00:33:27]  We don't see that at all.
[00:33:28]  It's really a push.
[00:33:30]  So parents need to be looking at the teachers at the schools that are woke and what they're watching on TikTok, because that's what's really behind this.
[00:33:38]  You know, these kids wouldn't even think about these things unless they were being influenced by outside sources.
[00:33:43]  So the last question I have for you, and check out Ollie's book, Detransition.
[00:33:46]  What do you have to say to people that are getting ridiculed, targeted, smeared, slandered for speaking out against this?
[00:33:53]  Well, absolutely.
[00:33:54]  We're seeing that, you know, J.K. Rowling spoke up for women.
[00:33:56]  She has been vilified ever since, you know, even by the people that she made famous, like Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, you know, and I just think, what a disrespect to JK Rowling.
[00:34:06]  And, you know, in other cases, anyone that speaks out, particularly detransitioners, we've seen Chloe Cole, you know, she's subject to daily death threats.
[00:34:13]  She has radical trans activists turn up when she's doing a speech and they hurl abuse at her.
[00:34:18]  You know, we cannot let these people win.
[00:34:20]  These people are aggressive.
[00:34:21]  They hate freedom of speech.
[00:34:22]  They hate America.
[00:34:23]  They want to transition children.
[00:34:25]  So we need to continue pushing to protect children.
[00:34:28]  We're seeing seven states have now banned gender affirming care in minors.
[00:34:32]  We need to see many more states do this.
[00:34:34]  And, you know, put pressure on these trans activists.
[00:34:37]  You know, I call them out all the time.
[00:34:38]  I'm not afraid of these trans activists.
[00:34:40]  They're sending me death threats.
[00:34:41]  They're calling for me to be publicly executed and stoned to death.
[00:34:44]  You know, I don't care.
[00:34:45]  I'm going to keep speaking up.
[00:34:46]  And I think everyone should not be afraid to speak up because we can eventually defeat these people.
[00:34:51]  And they're a minority of people, less than 1%.
[00:34:53]  So why is the majority caving into 1% of the work?
[00:34:57]  I mean, look, here's why.
[00:34:58]  And J.K. Rowling's super rich and she doesn't care.
[00:35:00]  God bless her.
[00:35:01]  Even though she's a liberal.
[00:35:02]  Vox.com.
[00:35:04]  JK Rowling's transphobia, a history.
[00:35:07]  That's what they do to you.
[00:35:09]  These very evil people.
[00:35:11]  Ollie, God bless you.
[00:35:12]  I'm glad you found the Lord.
[00:35:13]  Keep diving deep into the scriptures.
[00:35:15]  And I hope to have you on soon and meet you.
[00:35:17]  Thank you for your courage.
[00:35:18]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:35:19]  Appreciate it.
[00:35:19]  God bless you too.
[00:35:21]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:22]  Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:25]  Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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