The Charlie Kirk Show - Can the Asbury Gospel Go Global? with Keelin Darby and Michael Aper
Aired: 2023-02-23
Duration: 38:15


=== Appeal Process for Wrongful Conviction (11:19) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:00]  A tragic story out of Huntsville, Alabama that actually has an action step for you about a police officer in prison who should not be in jail.
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[00:01:34]  We have a really difficult story to share with you that deserves your attention, and it's really a shame.
[00:01:44]  Joining us now is Keelan Darby, who's a Huntsville, Alabama police officer who has a story to share to our national audience about her husband.
[00:01:55]  And all eyes are on police right now following the tragic targeted Temple police shooting.
[00:02:01]  The media is conveniently ignoring.
[00:02:04]  Keenan joins us now.
[00:02:05]  Keelan, welcome to the program.
[00:02:07]  Tell us about your husband, Ben.
[00:02:09]  Hey, Charlie, thank you for having me on.
[00:02:12]  So my husband used to be a Huntsville police officer.
[00:02:16]  And in 2018, he was on duty serving as a police officer on patrol.
[00:02:23]  And he answered a call for service of a man who had called 911 and said that he was going to kill himself, that he had a gun to his head and he was going and he wanted help.
[00:02:34]  He wanted an officer to get there.
[00:02:37]  And so two officers had got there and on their way, they had asked for more help.
[00:02:41]  So that's where Ben came in.
[00:02:43]  Ben gets there.
[00:02:44]  And as a law enforcement officer myself, I can attest to this training that when we are called to situations where a gun is involved and there's only one person involved, which was the case with Mr. Parker, we don't go into that building.
[00:02:59]  We don't go into that house.
[00:03:00]  We don't go into that structure because we're not going to put ourselves blatantly in harm's way.
[00:03:06]  And the two officers that originally responded did the exact opposite of their training, went into the house with nothing between an armed individual and themselves, nothing to protect themselves, to take cover behind.
[00:03:20]  My husband got there expecting a perimeter to be held outside of the house as law enforcement is trained.
[00:03:26]  He got there and to his surprise, none of the two officers were not outside.
[00:03:31]  He had his shotgun ready for a perimeter and didn't see that.
[00:03:36]  So he made his way up to the house as safely as he could.
[00:03:40]  And to his surprise, saw an officer 20 feet away with a man with a gun to his head with her gun nowhere ready to help protect herself.
[00:03:50]  Ben saw that the female was not taking control of the situation and he took over, gave Mr. Parker several commands to drop the gun, and he did not do that.
[00:04:02]  He was given seven commands to drop the gun, and after that seventh command, the gun had moved towards the officers, my husband included, and Ben stopped the threat to their lives that day and unfortunately had to take Mr. Parker's life.
[00:04:15]  He did everything according to his training that we are given nationwide, including what we're taught in the state of Alabama.
[00:04:25]  He was cleared by his department by a shooting review board that did an investigation on his use of force, as well as investigating the other two officers on scene and their lack of understanding of the call.
[00:04:38]  Those two other officers were reprimanded and given remedial training.
[00:04:42]  My husband was not.
[00:04:45]  A couple months later, he gets charged with murder.
[00:04:48]  We go through that court process believing that the system will work its way out as it's supposed to.
[00:04:56]  And in May of 2021, we go to trial.
[00:05:00]  All this time, we have COVID and the anti-police pushing the whole George Floyd incident going on at this time.
[00:05:09]  And so many things went wrong at trial.
[00:05:13]  It was closed to the public, which is a constitutional violation of his rights.
[00:05:19]  And then pertinent evidence and case law was not allowed for the jury to be heard.
[00:05:25]  So they couldn't even examine his case correctly because they weren't instructed properly.
[00:05:31]  So when you look at all of that, the jury, when it came time to issue their verdict, they ended up convicting him of murder.
[00:05:42]  And he's now serving a 25-year sentence for doing exactly as he was treated.
[00:05:46]  Is he currently in prison?
[00:05:48]  He is currently in prison.
[00:05:50]  He's been in prison for 18 months.
[00:05:52]  Okay, yeah.
[00:05:52]  And so, I mean, the most obvious thing is the governor of Alabama should pardon your husband.
[00:05:57]  She can do that.
[00:05:58]  Has there been any conversations with the governor's office about that?
[00:06:02]  She actually, she actually cannot.
[00:06:05]  That power was taken away from the governor for our state a few years ago from a prior governor who had gotten in trouble and they were afraid that he would pardon himself.
[00:06:15]  So they've stripped the governor from that power.
[00:06:18]  So he's not able to be pardoned by the governor.
[00:06:21]  Really?
[00:06:21]  Okay.
[00:06:22]  So we are, yes.
[00:06:23]  So we're going through an appeal process.
[00:06:24]  We are very hopeful.
[00:06:27]  And we had some very positive things happen.
[00:06:29]  It's just a waiting game right now.
[00:06:30]  We filed for appeal immediately after he was found guilty.
[00:06:35]  And in August of last year, we were notified we would get oral arguments, which is a hearing with the justices at the appellate level that not every case gets because every case that gets appealed tries to get these oral arguments.
[00:06:52]  And so you really have only just a 2% chance of actually getting them.
[00:06:56]  We got them.
[00:06:57]  We had that hearing back in November.
[00:07:00]  And now we're waiting on the judges to make their decision based off of that hearing as well as our appeal brief, the supporting briefs that we've received from the National Fraternal Order of Police.
[00:07:14]  And then, of course, the Attorney General is prosecuting the case now, who he says he supports law enforcement and he ran on that platform.
[00:07:22]  But yet my husband's in prison for doing his job.
[00:07:25]  Wait, so is the attorney the same job that?
[00:07:27]  So it's Steve Marshall, who's the attorney general.
[00:07:29]  I know Steve.
[00:07:30]  I'm confused.
[00:07:30]  He's the one pushing, or is it a district attorney in Huntsville?
[00:07:33]  What is the you got to clarify that for me?
[00:07:36]  I'm not quite following.
[00:07:38]  Yeah, so the district attorney of Huntsville of Madison County is Robertsard.
[00:07:43]  He pushed the conviction and won it.
[00:07:45]  Now that we're appealing it, the state, so attorney marshal is doing the prosecution.
[00:07:53]  Okay, so he's opposing your appeal, effectively.
[00:07:57]  Yes.
[00:07:58]  Does he have to do that or is he able to, meaning in some states, you have to take the side of the state if a jury has ruled a certain way?
[00:08:06]  Right.
[00:08:07]  By the law, he is, it is his job to uphold the conviction.
[00:08:13]  But if it's a wrongful conviction, which quite frankly it is, you can speak against that.
[00:08:19]  Okay, so he does have the agency to do that.
[00:08:22]  Okay, so he has so Attorney General Marshall has the agency then to say this is bad.
[00:08:30]  Does he have to use the power of his office or can he actively help on the appeal?
[00:08:34]  I'm just trying to help you because I actually know him.
[00:08:36]  So help me understand that.
[00:08:38]  Yeah.
[00:08:39]  Yeah.
[00:08:40]  He's actively prosecuting it.
[00:08:42]  He hasn't done any, he hasn't said a word.
[00:08:44]  Back in 21, I believe, Ben's chief had wrote a letter to the Attorney General stating, you know, this is how it's taught in the police academy.
[00:08:55]  This is the state law.
[00:08:57]  Do we need to make any changes?
[00:08:59]  And the chief received a reply that no, he don't need to change any of your training.
[00:09:04]  Well, got it.
[00:09:06]  So in an ideal world, what would you want to see, let's say, the Attorney General do?
[00:09:12]  Drop the charges and drop the charges and come out and say, no, Ben did exactly as he was trained, as we're still currently training rookie police officers in the academies across the state of Alabama.
[00:09:26]  So just the action item then is all of this has now come to the Attorney General's office, and he'll probably say, well, I have to do this because it's a prior conviction, but that's not true.
[00:09:38]  What you're saying is he has the power as Attorney General to review all the facts and circumstances and to drop this and say he was wrongly convicted.
[00:09:45]  Is that correct?
[00:09:47]  He can review everything and say, even though this came through as a conviction, I don't agree with it and I'm not going to prosecute it.
[00:09:54]  And if he did that, then what would happen?
[00:09:58]  Then the charges would be dropped and Ben would be restored his freedoms.
[00:10:01]  Okay.
[00:10:02]  Well, that's a good call to action.
[00:10:03]  Thank you.
[00:10:04]  Because, I mean, I'll do what I can and I think our audience should too.
[00:10:08]  So in Alabama, your husband is now serving a 25-year prison sentence.
[00:10:11]  Just everyone understands for doing everything the right way, for being cleared by a shooting review board, 25 years in prison, and you see this whole war on police.
[00:10:21]  And so there is an opportunity.
[00:10:23]  What you're saying is that there's a path towards restoration here, and Attorney General Marshall just needs to do the right thing.
[00:10:31]  Yes.
[00:10:32]  Okay.
[00:10:34]  Yeah, I mean, it's in the hands of the appellate courts right now, and we're awaiting on their decision from our appeal.
[00:10:41]  That could come today.
[00:10:42]  That could come next Christmas.
[00:10:44]  There's no timeline or deadline on them to make that decision.
[00:10:47]  So that's the hardest part.
[00:10:48]  Yeah.
[00:10:48]  So is the Attorney General's decision, is it dependent on the appellate court?
[00:10:57]  Are those two separate tracks?
[00:11:00]  I'd say it's two separate tracks.
[00:11:02]  The biggest influence right now would be from the appellate courts.
[00:11:06]  They could come back with whatever their decision is, and then the Attorney General can say, no, we don't want to prosecute this anymore.
[00:11:13]  Got it.
[00:11:14]  Okay.
[00:11:15]  Let's have you stay for one more segment.
[00:11:17]  And I want to talk to you privately as well.

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[00:11:21]  This is a disgrace.
[00:11:22]  It's a tragedy.
[00:11:23]  You can't allow these sorts of things to happen.
[00:11:25]  It's awful.
[00:11:27]  And to have your husband have to go to prison for 25 years for doing his job, every American patriot should rise up and do what we can.
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=== Support Darby Against DA Charges (05:17) ===

[00:14:19]  It's a tragic situation.
[00:14:21]  Keelan Darby is with us.
[00:14:22]  Keelan, share the website.
[00:14:23]  It's standwithdarby.com.
[00:14:25]  How can people help?
[00:14:27]  It is.
[00:14:27]  So standwithdarby.com.
[00:14:29]  There's two portals on there if people would like to help us with our label fees as we're on the hook of trying to get my husband out of prison.
[00:14:38]  And that's through the Pipe Hitter Foundation with Eddie and Andrea Gallagher, who's been a great support to us during this time.
[00:14:46]  And everyone's been able to support us through them.
[00:14:49]  And then also Fund the First is a nonprofit that helps first responders when they need help.
[00:14:56]  So both of those portals are available.
[00:14:58]  And then our website also has just more information about Ben, about the incident, different documents if people want to just know more.
[00:15:07]  So standwithdarby.com or pipehitterfoundation.org.
[00:15:11]  So in closing here, just to reiterate, the shooting review board exonerated him.
[00:15:19]  Why is it that the local DA took this and how on earth did a jury end up concluding this was murder?
[00:15:26]  Yeah, so it's interesting.
[00:15:27]  If you go back to the shooting review board, the district attorney was on that board.
[00:15:33]  And when they had question and answer time to figure out what was going on, there were no questions regarding Ben's use of force.
[00:15:41]  Everyone agreed that it was good.
[00:15:43]  So Ben was told later that month in April, hey, you're clear.
[00:15:49]  The DA says you're good.
[00:15:50]  Go back to the street.
[00:15:51]  He went back to the street.
[00:15:53]  The end of May, he gets pulled in.
[00:15:55]  Hey, the DA is looking to charge you.
[00:15:57]  And when it came down to it, it was a conflict between the chief and the DA.
[00:16:02]  So they would go back and forth.
[00:16:05]  And the DA told the chief, if you just fire him, we won't press charges.
[00:16:09]  And the chief said, no, he didn't do anything wrong.
[00:16:12]  He did everything according to policy, state, and local law, his training.
[00:16:16]  We're not doing that.
[00:16:17]  And so the DA said fine, and he charged him.
[00:16:21]  We go through everything.
[00:16:23]  Right before we find out we're going to trial, he gets an offer, no prison time, five years' probation if he pled to manslaughter.
[00:16:31]  Well, he didn't commit murder, so he's not going to, he's not going to take a deal for manslaughter that he didn't commit either, because manslaughter would be considered reckless.
[00:16:41]  And there was nothing reckless with what he did.
[00:16:44]  He went to trial and things were done unconstitutionally.
[00:16:49]  Things were not allowed for the jury to be heard.
[00:16:52]  Witnesses that had relevant testimony were not allowed to speak.
[00:16:57]  His training wasn't allowed to come forth to the jury.
[00:17:02]  So, of course, the jury's not going to know any different.
[00:17:04]  The jury's just going to go for what they hear.
[00:17:07]  And quite frankly, the public's not a trained police officer.
[00:17:10]  So if you wanted to have a fair trial, you would have had people of law enforcement knowledge, which of course is never going to happen.
[00:17:19]  But to my point, the jury wasn't properly instructed.
[00:17:23]  Was race involved in this at all?
[00:17:25]  No, it was white on white.
[00:17:28]  Parker was a 49-year-old white supremacist.
[00:17:32]  Oh, okay.
[00:17:33]  I didn't documented in his background.
[00:17:36]  Yeah, that's not me just making that up.
[00:17:41]  Keelan, thank you for joining us.
[00:17:42]  I'm going to do what I can to help.
[00:17:44]  StandwithDarby.com.
[00:17:46]  The most actionable item is to get the Attorney General of Alabama to change course.
[00:17:54]  So thank you, and we're praying for you, and I'm going to do what I can to help.
[00:17:57]  Thank you so much, Charlie.
[00:17:58]  I appreciate it.
[00:17:59]  Thank you.
[00:18:00]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:18:02]  There's a war on police in our country.
[00:18:04]  Could you imagine you go in to do your job in a high-pressure situation?
[00:18:08]  Bang, Things are firing.
[00:18:12]  And you do what you're trained to do, and you end up in prison for 25 years, and you just kind of get discarded by the system.
[00:18:21]  I'm not going to put up with that, and you shouldn't either.
[00:18:22]  It's wrong.
[00:18:23]  It's abhorrent.
[00:18:25]  And yeah, look, of course, obviously somebody died.
[00:18:28]  That's awful.
[00:18:30]  It's not an acceptable outcome in any way.
[00:18:33]  But the shooting review board said, hey, this were the facts and circumstances surrounded.
[00:18:39]  You're a trained police officer.
[00:18:40]  So the training instructs.
[00:18:41]  Don't like the training.
[00:18:42]  Fix the training.
[00:18:43]  And I just, I find it so flawed, so wrong when people who have never been in those high-intense situations, myself included, by the way, but I'm not one of these people that are criticizing.
[00:18:58]  Oh, you should have done this, should have done that.
[00:18:59]  Calm down.
[00:19:00]  You don't know how you would act in that situation, okay?
[00:19:03]  And based on all the evidence, the body cam footage and the testimony he acted within his training.
[00:19:07]  Is that worth 25 years in prison?
[00:19:10]  This is a local DA that's trying to make a name for himself that's trying to do something he shouldn't do, all because of a theme of war on police.
[00:19:18]  Why the people of Huntsville, Alabama, the great people of Huntsville, Alabama, are putting up with this.
[00:19:22]  I don't understand.
[00:19:23]  This is a tragedy.
[00:19:24]  This is wrong.
[00:19:25]  And it's fixable based on everything that we just learned.
[00:19:32]  There's a new movie coming out from the creators of I Can Only Imagine that I can't wait to see.

=== Revival Changing Lives and Worship (13:19) ===

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[00:20:26]  Joining us now is Michael Aper, an Aspery Theological Seminary student.
[00:20:30]  You've probably heard or seen about the revival that is now sweeping the nation that started in Aspury, Kentucky.
[00:20:39]  Michael, welcome to the program.
[00:20:41]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:20:42]  Michael, tell us from the front lines from the beginning.
[00:20:46]  Tell us the story of this revival.
[00:20:49]  Yeah, well, on February 8th, there was a chapel service, as usual, at Asbury University, which is a sister institution of Asbury Theological Seminary.
[00:20:59]  The chapel service concluded, and there was a remnant of students that were interested in worshiping and continuing to submit themselves to holiness, submit themselves to humility and to God.
[00:21:11]  And what that looked like was quickly we had students that were confessing their sins, that were repenting of the ways they had been living and asking for prayer and joining in worship together.
[00:21:23]  And really, that continued for days and days and days, and it's even still continuing.
[00:21:28]  Where now it's no longer a remnant of students in the chapel, but it's blown up to where our small two-stop light town has had an excess of 15,000, some are saying up to 20,000 individuals who have come here to experience what's going on, to participate in the worship, and so much so that the city's infrastructure has had to make some measures to mitigate the toll that it takes on the city to have that many people here.
[00:21:56]  Is this going to continue?
[00:21:57]  I'm hearing that it might be transitioning outside just from an infrastructure standpoint.
[00:22:02]  That's correct.
[00:22:03]  The university has announced that they are working on transitioning to a third party to not have everyone crammed into one space.
[00:22:12]  We've had overflow spaces, and really for the past 13 days, it's been overwhelming to the institution, to the students as well, just having so many people.
[00:22:25]  It's an incredible blessing, and every one of us recognizes the importance of what God is doing amongst the people of the church and how He is calling them to Himself.
[00:22:35]  And yet, there are logistical structures that are at risk with that many students in place, that many people from outside of the student population.
[00:22:44]  And at the end of the day, it is an academic institution, so we've got to maintain that level of expertise for the students who are here to engage in the miracles of God through education as well.
[00:22:55]  So, explain to our audience some of the transforming of lives that you have seen.
[00:23:01]  It's a remarkable thing.
[00:23:02]  Tell us some stories.
[00:23:04]  Absolutely.
[00:23:05]  I've had the privilege with my wife to not just be a student here and engage in this experience as a student, but as a volunteer, as a student worker.
[00:23:14]  And what we've been able to see is story after story since the very beginning, where it was just the students of the campus getting together and worshiping together.
[00:23:24]  There were students who were finding freedom from an addiction to pornography, freedom from addiction to other chemical substances.
[00:23:31]  There are people who are being relieved of mental health issues and things of that nature, as well as emotional and spiritual issues that they are now finding freedom and understanding of who God is and what it means to live as if the Holy Spirit is active in his church, as it most certainly is.
[00:23:51]  And since then, with the thousands that have come on pilgrimage, we could say, to come and worship, we've heard more and more stories of individuals who had dreams, had visions of the worship services taking place even before they were taking place and had come as sojourners to experience what God was doing in this place.
[00:24:12]  Now, there's a big concern that people would have to say, and rightly so, the skeptics are saying, why do you need to go to Wilmore, Kentucky to experience this?
[00:24:22]  And my answer would be, you don't.
[00:24:25]  You certainly do not.
[00:24:26]  The Spirit of God is alive and well in his church no matter where you are.
[00:24:30]  But what has been most interesting is that individuals have come to see what is happening.
[00:24:34]  And the most common story that I've heard from them, whether they be pastors or lay people in their churches, they're saying, we don't experience worship this way.
[00:24:44]  We don't experience the community of believers this way.
[00:24:47]  And I want to see what it's like so that I can take it home with me.
[00:24:51]  Let's play cut 77.
[00:24:53]  John Root on the ground.
[00:24:55]  Play cut 77.
[00:24:58]  What do you want your life to look like after this experience here?
[00:25:01]  I don't want to be stagnant.
[00:25:04]  I need to take action.
[00:25:07]  I can't just say I'm a Christian and now I give testimony of Christis.
[00:25:12]  I got to show the love of Christ.
[00:25:15]  Well, God bless you.
[00:25:16]  I'm so glad you're here.
[00:25:17]  Yes.
[00:25:18]  I'm sure you're hearing story after story of that.
[00:25:21]  And this has spread to other places.
[00:25:22]  Where?
[00:25:24]  Well, the figure I heard almost a week ago was 22 other universities.
[00:25:29]  Some of the biggest ones are Indiana Wesleyan University.
[00:25:32]  That was one of the earliest to really take off with this spirit of revival, if we want to call it that.
[00:25:39]  Really, a lot of campuses are breaking out.
[00:25:42]  Even after the first week of what was happening on campus here, our own local church had a church service that lasted for hours and hours because the individuals were not burdened by the frivolities of life.
[00:25:56]  They were more interested in engaging in worship and engaging in the community of believers.
[00:26:01]  Because ultimately, that's what's happening here, Charlie, is it's not that God is in Wilmore, Kentucky anymore than he is everywhere else.
[00:26:08]  It's that the people of God are coming into community with one another in a way that makes the church more significant and emboldens the church to engage in the spiritual acts and in the devotions that we should already be doing.
[00:26:22]  So I've been told that Kalove and some of the biggest Christian artists wanted to come, but Aspury made a decision to turn them away.
[00:26:32]  Explain that to us.
[00:26:34]  I can't say whether Caleb specifically, as an institution, was denied.
[00:26:38]  I know that there were a number of individuals, big worship artists, even worship speakers, major church leaders who came to Asbury and the administration said, no thanks.
[00:26:51]  This is not a platform for people.
[00:26:54]  This is not a platform for names.
[00:26:56]  Our students have it handled because this is a platform for the Almighty God.
[00:27:00]  And it's not unlike if you saw the Tucker Carlson reporting on this, he wanted to come here in person and interview people.
[00:27:07]  And when he requested that, he was also denied.
[00:27:10]  And for the same reason is that it's not a show and it's not something that we want to raise on any human on a pedestal, any people on a pedestal, except for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
[00:27:24]  Yeah, and I think you guys have done a successful job of that.
[00:27:27]  I was actually texting with Tucker about it.
[00:27:28]  He said, I want to go, but they don't want to make it about it.
[00:27:31]  And he said, I totally understand.
[00:27:32]  I mean, he gets it completely and totally.
[00:27:34]  And so then I guess the question is: what's next?
[00:27:39]  Where do you see this growing and going?
[00:27:41]  As you said, 22 more locations.
[00:27:44]  And I would love to see this spread to non-Christian universities.
[00:27:48]  I don't know if that's happened yet.
[00:27:50]  Oh, certainly it has happened and it's something that we anticipate happening.
[00:27:56]  A lot of what is happening here at Asbury University now brings to mind a revival that took place in 1970.
[00:28:04]  That was a much smaller scale because of the limitations of technology.
[00:28:09]  Now we're in a different culture.
[00:28:10]  Social media has made it so that millions are watching and seeing what's taking place here.
[00:28:15]  And more people are interested in being involved.
[00:28:18]  But in the 1970 revival, what took place towards its conception, as well as in its ending, was that individuals from the student were sent out to other schools, to other places as evangelists to testify to what had taken place in Wilmore, Kentucky and bring it throughout the nation.
[00:28:36]  In a similar way, we are desiring as the people of the city and as the students of this institution, we are desiring that not just ourselves, but the individuals who have come will take it out into the nations.
[00:28:50]  And to be clear, it's not just Americans who are attending these worship services.
[00:28:54]  We've had internationals that have come.
[00:28:57]  We had a group travel here from Brazil.
[00:29:00]  I heard a group of 40 came from Jamaica, Indonesia.
[00:29:04]  There's been a number of countries as well that have been represented in the worship of the Almighty God.
[00:29:08]  And they're interested in taking it out into the world.
[00:29:12]  And what revival really is, is not a worship service.
[00:29:16]  It is a coming to repentance and a changing of lives.
[00:29:19]  And it takes place beyond the events of what take place here in Wilmore, Kentucky.
[00:29:25]  This will show by its fruit whether it's something that is genuine because of what happens in the coming weeks and months.
[00:29:32]  And we pray that the Lord will continue working in the, not just the academic institutions, but also in the local church.
[00:29:40]  But specifically, like you said, we would love it if schools that are so deeply seated with leftist agendas.
[00:29:52]  I won't go into the specifics, but you have a warm welcoming audience on that.
[00:29:58]  Oh, I know.
[00:30:00]  Yeah, but if that scene can be overcome with the glory of God and repentance and a true sense of desiring the holiness that God has called us to, not just by ethical or moral laws, but by a spiritual desperation on what he is doing amongst his people and what he has desired for his people to live into the kingdom.
[00:30:24]  Because what we have been told to pray is, your kingdom come and your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
[00:30:30]  So we're not living to die.
[00:30:32]  We're living to live because Christ has brought us into life even now.
[00:30:37]  God bless you.
[00:30:37]  And I also want to say one closing word for all.
[00:30:40]  I get lots of emails and I get tons of texts from pastors and stuff.
[00:30:43]  There were a lot of skeptics and there still are.
[00:30:45]  I think some of them mean well.
[00:30:48]  Some of them don't mean well.
[00:30:49]  I think I think some of them are jealous.
[00:30:51]  And so they got to knock that crap out.
[00:30:53]  Okay.
[00:30:53]  And it bothers me.
[00:30:55]  And I'm sure you've seen some of that again.
[00:30:56]  I could say some of the spiciness of some of these pastors like, oh, they're not legit.
[00:31:01]  Like, honestly, get over yourself.
[00:31:02]  This is a good thing that's happening.
[00:31:03]  And maybe you should actually stop trying to argue with a good thing.
[00:31:07]  Michael, thank you.
[00:31:08]  God bless you and appreciate you.
[00:31:10]  Thank you.
[00:31:11]  And if you do want to hear more about us, if you'd like to hear more about the revival on Forge and Anvil podcast, I'm a co-host on there.
[00:31:20]  We'll be having a full-length discussion on what's taking place here for more details about what's happening here in Wilmore, Kentucky.
[00:31:26]  Thank you so much, Darth.
[00:31:27]  Hope to meet you someday.
[00:31:28]  Thank you, Michael.
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[00:32:45]  It's not interesting, but it is in this case instructive of how the zeitgeist, the spirit of the times, the Overton window, has changed over the last decade.

=== How Language Changed Over Decade (05:18) ===

[00:32:57]  So we had some fun with Don Lamon yesterday where we said, look, he was kind of just being cruel to the women around him, but it obviously didn't warrant putting him into exile and or the outrage.
[00:33:08]  And we had a whole thing on that.
[00:33:10]  And I wrote a whole op-ed on it.
[00:33:11]  You guys can check it out at humanevents.com.
[00:33:13]  But I do want to play old Don Lamon and then new Joy Reed.
[00:33:18]  And I just think it's interesting because, look, Don Lamon is now one of the wokier spokespeople on television.
[00:33:26]  He'll say what he needs to be said.
[00:33:27]  I mean, it was him that said, oh, you know, the protests are mostly peaceful and cheering on all the racial reckoning stuff, which was really racial arson.
[00:33:37]  And so, but he used to be focused on things that actually could materially help the black community.
[00:33:46]  You see, prior to the kind of advent of BLM in 2015-16, Ferguson, George Soros funding a lot of these organizations, Nicole Hannah Jones, 1619 Project, there was a movement that was really focused on trying to talk about legitimate issues like fatherlessness, gang violence.
[00:34:13]  Like this is stuff that obviously we can agree on that we want to try to solve.
[00:34:17]  I mean, no one has ever said that there are not issues in America.
[00:34:20]  We just think those issues don't have to do with a white man.
[00:34:24]  And kind of always entrenched in this constant repetition of its racism.
[00:34:29]  It's racism.
[00:34:30]  It's racism.
[00:34:30]  It's sloppy.
[00:34:31]  It's wrong.
[00:34:32]  It's short-sighted and it's actually really harmful.
[00:34:35]  Okay, so here's Don Lamond talking like a right-winger 10 years ago.
[00:34:39]  What has changed?
[00:34:40]  I have a theory on that.
[00:34:41]  Play cut one.
[00:34:43]  Because black people, if you really want to fix the problem, here's just five things that you should think about doing.
[00:34:50]  Here's number five.
[00:34:51]  Pull up your pants.
[00:34:52]  Number four now is the N-word.
[00:34:55]  Now number three, respect where you live.
[00:34:59]  Start small by not dropping trash, littering in your own communities.
[00:35:03]  Number two, finish school.
[00:35:05]  You want to break the cycle of poverty?
[00:35:07]  Stop telling kids are acting white because they go to school or they speak proper English.
[00:35:12]  And number one, and probably the most important, just because you can have a baby, it doesn't mean you should, especially without planning for one or getting married first.
[00:35:23]  Studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison.
[00:35:28]  If I were to say that exact speech, just the N-word thing aside, because I didn't quite track what he was saying there.
[00:35:33]  It didn't really make sense.
[00:35:34]  The other four did make sense.
[00:35:36]  If I were to go and give a speech, I'd say tell people to pull up your pants and to stop littering and to finish school.
[00:35:42]  Oh, to stop saying the N-word, got it.
[00:35:44]  Okay, I didn't quite catch that.
[00:35:46]  And to stop, you know, maybe to get married before you have kids, I would be called a racist.
[00:35:50]  Don Lamond said that 10 years ago, and none of it was about the white man.
[00:35:56]  No, instead, he said, stop using the insult of saying you're talking white.
[00:36:03]  That's actually not helpful.
[00:36:04]  So what has changed?
[00:36:06]  What changed is that some of those things are actually a problem.
[00:36:09]  And they're no longer being discussed because no one gets powerful if you actually tell a community to start to change their behavior.
[00:36:19]  No, people get powerful and they remain in power if you're able to have a villain.
[00:36:24]  And that villain needs to be white people.
[00:36:28]  So of course they act as if all police officers are white and they build an entire revolutionary movement around this.
[00:36:35]  And so just you just heard Don 10 years ago.
[00:36:38]  Now listen to Joy Reed today or last couple days.
[00:36:41]  Just look at how different the conversation has gone in 10 years.
[00:36:45]  Play Cut 41.
[00:36:47]  What's been a problem for Florida is now a problem for America.
[00:36:51]  DeSantis is determined to stamp out intellectual freedom, pretty much on brand for DeSantis, who clearly wants to be president and who is on tour to signal to the nation how he would govern.
[00:37:02]  And that is by replacing a multitude of ideas with the one idea he holds dear: the centrality of white Christian thought.
[00:37:09]  And who, let's be clear, is using woke to mean any notion that brown, black, LGBTQ people and women are citizens rather than subjects.
[00:37:19]  What is she wearing?
[00:37:20]  What is that all about?
[00:37:21]  What are you like, Cersei Lannister or something?
[00:37:24]  Anyway, yeah, okay.
[00:37:27]  Everyone needs a villain.
[00:37:28]  And Joy Reed, instead of talking about the things that Don Lemon talked about, is that somehow woke means it's obviously and patently untrue.
[00:37:37]  And somehow everything we care about is white Christian thought.
[00:37:40]  What does that even mean?
[00:37:42]  It means that Joy Reed, thinking one-dimensionally on MSNBC, needs to try to keep on playing the race guard because it keeps Democrats powerful.
[00:37:53]  It's not a good development over the last decade.
[00:37:56]  We went from how Don Lamond was talking to Joy Reed.
[00:37:59]  We got to fix that.
[00:38:00]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:38:01]  Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:38:05]  Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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