The Charlie Kirk Show - Does America Need a National Divorce? with Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Julaine Appling
Aired: 2023-02-22
Duration: 35:05


=== Wisconsin Ballot Battle (10:00) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Marjorie Taylor Green joins us to clarify her remarks on her calling for a national divorce.
[00:00:08]  Do you agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene?
[00:00:11]  And Jelaine Appling joins our program about the critical race happening in Wisconsin.
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[00:01:16]  Do you know today's Election Day in Wisconsin?
[00:01:19]  That's right.
[00:01:20]  It feels like we just got over the 2022 midterms and we, oh, elections are a long ways away.
[00:01:25]  No, no, no.
[00:01:26]  Today in Wisconsin, everybody watching right now, listening on radio, if you have friends or family in Wisconsin, we have to mobilize.
[00:01:34]  It's going to be a low turnout election for a very high stakes primary for the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
[00:01:41]  It's super important.
[00:01:42]  It's not getting the attention it deserves.
[00:01:46]  And to help explain is one of the best grassroots activists in Wisconsin, Jelaine Appling, president of Wisconsin Family Action.
[00:01:54]  Jelaine, welcome to the program.
[00:01:56]  Explain to us what's happening in the great state of Wisconsin today.
[00:02:01]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:02:01]  Good to be with you.
[00:02:02]  Good to see you again.
[00:02:03]  Thank you.
[00:02:04]  Thanks for all you're doing to immobilize people and inform them.
[00:02:07]  You know, this is an exciting day in Wisconsin, really, Charlie.
[00:02:10]  This is election day, and every election day is important.
[00:02:13]  And this one is particularly so.
[00:02:15]  In fact, I just spoke to a group of teenagers and told them they're living in a moment of history because we have the opportunity today in Wisconsin to elect the people who will go on to the general election on April 4th to fill a vacancy that we have in our state Supreme Court.
[00:02:33]  You know, what makes this so significant is that right now our seven-member Supreme Court leans conservative.
[00:02:40]  We have a 4-3 conservative tip right now.
[00:02:44]  However, one of the conservatives has chosen after two 10-year terms not to run again.
[00:02:50]  And that is Justice Pat Rogensack.
[00:02:52]  And so what's happened is we have this open seat and the liberals are literally salivating over this open seat.
[00:03:00]  Here in Wisconsin, you know, Charlie, we have a divided government right now.
[00:03:04]  We have a very liberal Democrat in the governor's office and we have, yeah, that's a good word for it.
[00:03:10]  We have Republicans in control of both houses of our state legislature.
[00:03:13]  So the liberals can't advance their agenda that way.
[00:03:16]  So they are looking to this open seat on the court to flip our Supreme Court to a liberal court on a 4-3 liberal vote rather than a 4-3 conservative vote.
[00:03:28]  So right now, today, we have four candidates on the ballot.
[00:03:31]  Two are very, very liberal.
[00:03:33]  In fact, Charlie, I don't know if everybody's seen it or not, but typically in a Supreme Court race or in any kind of judicial race, the candidates stay away from saying, this is how I would vote on a certain issue if it came before me, right?
[00:03:48]  So one of the candidates, the leader probably of the liberals, Jannifer Proto-Saywich, she has been all over saying, I'll restore abortion rights.
[00:03:56]  I'll do this.
[00:03:57]  I'll do that.
[00:03:58]  That's blowing people away.
[00:03:59]  In fact, there are four complaints registered against her right now for doing that.
[00:04:04]  So there's, excuse me, there's these two liberals, and then there's two that are on the conservative side.
[00:04:10]  Now, in my opinion, there is only one of those two candidates who is truly a proven conservative, and that's Dan Kelly.
[00:04:18]  The other conservative candidate is Jennifer Doro.
[00:04:22]  Now, we have her promise that she would be conservative and that she wouldn't be a judicial activist, but that's all we have, Charlie, just her work.
[00:04:30]  But I also have Dan Kelly, who served on the court for four years on the high court, on the Supreme Court, and we have a proven track record that Dan Kelly never did anything other than vote the right way, write good opinions, show that he's an originalist.
[00:04:46]  And so the message to Wisconsin today is go vote and vote for the person who is going to make sure that we retain the rule of law.
[00:04:57]  So I want to thank you for the great work you're doing, Wisconsin Family Action, Jelaine.
[00:05:01]  Dan Kelly is the best of all of them.
[00:05:03]  Let me build this out for a national audience because I'm sure some of you in Washington or Alaska are saying, okay, well, what's the relevancy here?
[00:05:09]  You will not win the White House in 2024 if you do not win Wisconsin.
[00:05:13]  Mark Elias and the shifty Democrats, they filed tons of lawsuits.
[00:05:18]  Remember in Pennsylvania, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, they kicked the green people off the ballot.
[00:05:24]  They destroyed the signature verification rules.
[00:05:27]  They changed the ballot custody rules.
[00:05:30]  Those are more on state Supreme Courts usually than federal courts.
[00:05:35]  And so now we have an opportunity in Wisconsin to get a strong constitutionalist.
[00:05:40]  And so the point of action for our whole audience right now, I guarantee you, almost everybody in our audience knows somebody in Wisconsin where you could pick up the phone or send a text and say, hey, just go vote.
[00:05:49]  Because Jelaine, this is going to be a low turnout election, probably 8% to 12% turnout.
[00:05:53]  Am I wrong there?
[00:05:53]  I'm just speculating.
[00:05:55]  Maybe 15%.
[00:05:56]  It might go as high as 15, but it's going to be low.
[00:05:58]  And you know what, Charlie, that means that every person who does vote, their vote counts even more than it normally does, right?
[00:06:05]  Because it is a low turnout.
[00:06:06]  That's exactly right.
[00:06:07]  So every voter you successfully mobilize actually has a higher impact.
[00:06:12]  So Jelaine, let me just ask this question.
[00:06:15]  The Wisconsin Supreme Court has been involved in some very consequential election integrity decisions in recent years, have they not?
[00:06:23]  Oh my, yes, they have.
[00:06:26]  And so they have to.
[00:06:27]  So build that out for us.
[00:06:28]  Well, they've dealt with ballot harvesting.
[00:06:30]  They've dealt to some degree with how we're going to handle the absentee ballot thing.
[00:06:34]  You know, they haven't handled as many as we would have liked, Charlie.
[00:06:37]  Some of those got in the early days after 2020 because we kind of have a, well, I'm going to call him a rogue conservative or kind of a faux conservative, Brian Hagedorn, whose name has become now a verb.
[00:06:48]  You've been hagedorned.
[00:06:50]  He's not always allowed those cases to go as far as we'd like through that Supreme Court.
[00:06:55]  But just take the ballot harvesting.
[00:06:57]  You know, that was something that the liberals were pushing and pushing and doing these bizarre things during the 2020 election that were clearly outside the law.
[00:07:05]  And the Supreme Court put the kibosh on that.
[00:07:08]  So, you know, one thing I think is really significant that people forget about, but back in 2020, our Supreme Court actually let people go vote in the spring election because the governor had said the Friday before the vote on Tuesday, oh, no, no, we're closing the polls on Tuesday because of COVID.
[00:07:26]  And it was incredibly frustrating.
[00:07:29]  And the Supreme Court turned around and said, oh, no, no, that is not the governor's call.
[00:07:34]  That is our call.
[00:07:35]  You cannot do that.
[00:07:36]  And open up the polls for people to go and vote in that 2020 spring election.
[00:07:42]  So your point about election integrity is very, very important.
[00:07:46]  Charlie, I think the liberals are probably sitting out there already with a whole litany of lawsuits they're waiting to bring.
[00:07:53]  That's exactly right.
[00:07:53]  It's ahead of 2024.
[00:07:55]  And so, again, they're playing chess.
[00:07:57]  I don't even know if we're playing checkers yet.
[00:07:59]  But they look at if they're able to change the composition of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, Mark Elias is going to come in with all these goofy lawsuits, and maybe one out of 10 will end up being successful.
[00:08:10]  So, Jelaine, is there a lot of outside money being spent on this?
[00:08:14]  Are Democrats currently outspending conservatives in Wisconsin?
[00:08:18]  Big time.
[00:08:19]  Big time.
[00:08:20]  This is a primary.
[00:08:21]  Janet Protosewich is the leading liberal on this ballot for today.
[00:08:25]  And the ads and the money that's being spent from outside Wisconsin is overwhelmingly.
[00:08:31]  Because they see it.
[00:08:32]  They see how this is there.
[00:08:33]  This holds the keys to 2024.
[00:08:36]  Republicans, wake up.
[00:08:37]  Please continue, Jelaine.
[00:08:38]  Well, you're exactly right.
[00:08:40]  I couldn't say it better.
[00:08:40]  They understand what's at stake here.
[00:08:43]  I think there's going to be money coming in for the conservative who wins today.
[00:08:47]  And personally, I hope it's Dan Kelly.
[00:08:49]  And I think there will be significant money to do a very good campaign against Janet Protosevich in for the April election.
[00:08:57]  But we really do need people to wake up.
[00:08:59]  We need people all across this country to understand how important what's happening here in Wisconsin is today.
[00:09:05]  I will say that there's been a good amount of mainstream media that has come in and covered it to some degree, calling this the most important election of 2023.
[00:09:16]  I think that's right.
[00:09:18]  And it's kind of a wonky, abstract race.
[00:09:21]  Like, what is this?
[00:09:22]  You know, Wisconsin Supreme Court, if you go through the new electoral map after the census changes, there is almost no path to a Republican winning the White House in 2024 without Wisconsin.
[00:09:35]  It goes right through Wisconsin.
[00:09:37]  And by the way, not to mention the Senate races and the important congressional races and Mark Elias and all of the Arabella advisors, George Soros, McKenzie, Bezos types on the radical left, the plutocrat, oligarch, billionaires, they look at this as a way to spend $5 million, $10 million to change the ballot laws, change signature verification.
[00:09:58]  And so this is super important.
[00:09:59]  Vote for Dan Kelly.

=== Proxy Race for November (02:34) ===

[00:10:00]  And then Jelaine, we're going to do everything we can in the April election because this is kind of a proxy battle, if you will, heading into that 2024.
[00:10:10]  We need to wake up to these sort of more structural races because they impact whether or not we're going to win in November 24.
[00:10:16]  Jelaine, thank you for your leadership.
[00:10:18]  Really appreciate it.
[00:10:19]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:10:20]  Good to be with you.
[00:10:21]  Thank you.
[00:10:24]  Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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[00:11:26]  So Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be joining us next segment.
[00:11:30]  I'm going to ask her about her tweet on the national divorce.
[00:11:36]  And I have said for quite some time, I think we are heading towards a national divorce, but I have never said I think we need a national divorce.
[00:11:46]  And I think that word is rather operative because I think that would be a tragedy in some sense.
[00:11:52]  I think it would be very messy.
[00:11:54]  You and the audience are split on this yesterday.
[00:11:57]  Some of you said, I totally agree with Marjorie Taylor.
[00:11:59]  Green, I'm going to ask her, does she mean secession?
[00:12:01]  Does she mean splintering, fracturing?
[00:12:05]  Does she mean a restoration of federalism?
[00:12:07]  Which obviously I agree.
[00:12:08]  If it's kind of like, hey, let's leave each other alone, then I'm in full support of that.
[00:12:14]  So that'll be a fun conversation with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
[00:12:18]  Look, the Constitution gives us tools to help really resolve these issues.
[00:12:22]  We are a republic, but I think the term national divorce could be taken way out of context.
[00:12:29]  And so I'm excited to talk to that, talk to her about that.
[00:12:32]  Okay, I do want to ask, yeah, someone just emailed us.

=== Veritas Board Travel (05:05) ===

[00:12:35]  They said, why is the RNC not in Wisconsin for the Supreme Court race?
[00:12:39]  They should be.
[00:12:41]  That would be a very important question.
[00:12:42]  Hey, I did my part trying to get regime change at the RNC.
[00:12:46]  I fell short.
[00:12:46]  I went to the meeting.
[00:12:48]  We helped Harmeet Dylan all we could.
[00:12:50]  I won zero friends and zero favors for doing that.
[00:12:54]  Very few people in conservative media or conservative activist circles were willing to stick their neck out.
[00:13:00]  I did that because I have an obligation to you, the audience, to pick the tough fights that are actually going to help us save the country.
[00:13:05]  We fell short, but I can rest easy at night saying, hey, I tried to get regime change at the RNC.
[00:13:10]  So that's we tried very hard.
[00:13:17]  So, all right, I do want to just mention a little bit more about the Project Veritas story because it was really fast-paced with Steve Bannon last hour.
[00:13:30]  Okay, so the Veritas board, let me read this to you really quick.
[00:13:35]  This is the Veritas' board that wrote this.
[00:13:39]  Today, James O'Keeffe decided to remove his belongings.
[00:13:41]  This was written yesterday from Project Veritas headquarters.
[00:13:44]  The board and management made numerous attempts in the last 14 days to have a conversation with James, but he ignored our outreach and decided instead of leak private information to others, either by doing so himself or by proxy.
[00:13:53]  I know that is not true, by the way.
[00:13:55]  I know that's not true.
[00:13:56]  I actually have evidence to show that is not true, that James O'Keeffe ignored them.
[00:14:00]  He was dialoguing with some of the board members.
[00:14:01]  That's just not true.
[00:14:06]  Continuing here, Project Veritas has not concluded looking into the full-scale financial issues over the years.
[00:14:11]  Okay, looking at James O'Keeffe.
[00:14:12]  All right, so let me go through this because even some, I've been disappointed by some text messages I've received by other conservative leaders.
[00:14:19]  They say, wow, $150,000 is a lot in black cars over 18 months.
[00:14:23]  Like, hold on a second.
[00:14:25]  So I traveled 300 days a year.
[00:14:28]  James O'Keeffe even said in his speech yesterday, I watched the whole thing.
[00:14:31]  I encourage you guys to look at it.
[00:14:32]  We have it on our Rumble feed.
[00:14:33]  We have it on our YouTube feed.
[00:14:34]  James says, I traveled 300 days a year.
[00:14:36]  Okay, so that's 18 months, 300 days of travel a year, which would mean about 390 days of travel.
[00:14:44]  Let's round up to 400 days of travel.
[00:14:46]  So let's do the math together.
[00:14:47]  $150,000 for 400 days.
[00:14:50]  This is their big accusation that even some conservative, that's $375 a day.
[00:14:55]  Now, mind you, this is not him taking chauffeur cars for a Napa wine tour or him taking chauffeur cars to go visit celebrity homes in Beverly Hills with his friends.
[00:15:05]  This is for a business purpose.
[00:15:06]  Remember, James O'Keeffe receives a lot of death threats.
[00:15:08]  He has a lot of people trying to literally kill him.
[00:15:10]  He has the biggest power sources that are trying to come after him.
[00:15:14]  And so for $375 a day of travel, that's just of travel.
[00:15:19]  That's not counting the actual calendar year because you could divide it and that moving average would actually go down way more significantly, far more significantly, if you actually took the entire span of that for the security needs and the efficiency.
[00:15:33]  Look, chauffeur cars, not my thing.
[00:15:35]  I actually prefer renting a car.
[00:15:36]  I think it's more flexible, but I get why James O'Keefe would want to do that.
[00:15:40]  It makes perfect sense.
[00:15:41]  I think it's completely and totally justifiable.
[00:15:44]  By the way, he's raising $20 to $22 million a year.
[00:15:46]  And let me say this again.
[00:15:47]  This is not personal endurement.
[00:15:49]  This is a business expense, meaning he's going to go raise money.
[00:15:53]  Again, I told the anecdote last hour where I was in a living room in Palm Beach with a donor I adore, and James O'Keefe was finishing the meeting and I was coming in.
[00:16:03]  Again, we were both building our organizations.
[00:16:05]  And James, I was like, hey, James, what do you have next?
[00:16:07]  He said, well, I have three meetings.
[00:16:08]  I got to go meet with two more donors and meet with a source.
[00:16:11]  And I got to go catch the last flight to Newark.
[00:16:13]  And I have a car waiting for me outside.
[00:16:16]  That was one of these black cars that they're attacking and made perfect sense to me.
[00:16:21]  By the way, the reason you do that is so you don't have to worry about calling an Uber.
[00:16:24]  You're more efficient.
[00:16:25]  It's very secure.
[00:16:27]  And you're able to bring more people into the car.
[00:16:29]  You're able to travel as a group.
[00:16:31]  And that's the other thing.
[00:16:32]  It's not just for James.
[00:16:33]  James was probably traveling with editors, other fundraisers, development staff.
[00:16:36]  So if you add it all up, the combined cost, if they all would have had to rent separate cars, would have been more.
[00:16:41]  It's actually not that much, $375 a day for cars of travel.
[00:16:45]  I know that might seem a lot to some of you, but running a $22 million business is you got to spend money to make money.
[00:16:51]  It's a fact.
[00:16:52]  And that's why you're removing James O'Keefe from his leadership position is preposterous.
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[00:17:57]  Yesterday, Twitter was sent ablaze, not only on the Project Veritas story, but also this tweet by Marjorie Taylor Greene, great patriot.
[00:18:11]  She said, I want to make sure I read it correctly here.
[00:18:14]  Yep, we need a national divorce.
[00:18:15]  We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government.
[00:18:18]  Everyone I talk to says this from the sick and disgusting woke culture issue shoved down our throats to the Democrats Traitorous America last policies.
[00:18:25]  We are, and then it goes dot, dot, dot.
[00:18:26]  Marjorie Taylor Greene sent out clarifying tweets afterwards.
[00:18:29]  And I'm curious because I do agree with her in part of this, and we'll talk about it.
[00:18:34]  Congresswoman Green, welcome to the program.
[00:18:37]  Hi, Charlie.
[00:18:37]  Thanks for having me on today.
[00:18:39]  Always explain what you meant by the need for a national divorce.
[00:18:44]  Well, it's actually a terrible thing to talk about, but you see, it's sort of like we're in a marriage, the left and the right.
[00:18:52]  Only one side of this marriage has no respect for the other.
[00:18:56]  The left has no respect for the right anymore.
[00:18:58]  The left, they have their different ideologies, their policies, their beliefs that exist in regards to culture, religion, identity, politics is a major part of their beliefs.
[00:19:12]  They even believe differently than us on how the economy should run, the types of energy that we should all have to use, how hiring practices are done in corporations and businesses with environmental social governance.
[00:19:27]  We can't be further apart these days.
[00:19:30]  And everyone I know, and my world and my circle of friends and influence is with regular people, Charlie.
[00:19:37]  I don't run around.
[00:19:39]  Most of my friends are not politicians or aren't even involved in politics.
[00:19:43]  They're regular Americans, and they are so sick and tired and fed up with just the beliefs that the left have being shoved down our throats to the point where they want to make sure that every school child is taught gender lies, that children should be able to change their gender, cutting off body parts.
[00:20:04]  They do not respect our traditional values, our faith.
[00:20:08]  They believe that Christians should be forced to go along with their practices and what they want done.
[00:20:16]  They don't care about people, you know, private businesses want to hire based on characteristics and someone's ability to do the job.
[00:20:24]  Well, no, the Democrats and the left want businesses to have to hire based on skin color, ethnenticity, or even what gender they identify.
[00:20:34]  And it's gotten to a point where we can't even agree on anything anymore.
[00:20:37]  And it is hurting everyone.
[00:20:39]  And people I know are sick and tired of it.
[00:20:42]  Now we're also in trouble.
[00:20:43]  The federal government is over $34 trillion in debt and we're on the verge of defaulting on our debt and the right and left are to blame for that.
[00:20:51]  Well, I think we're getting to a point where we really need to talk about solutions to this problem.
[00:20:57]  We don't want a civil war.
[00:20:58]  That's the last thing we want in our country.
[00:21:01]  As a matter of fact, we want to be able to respect each other and get along, but we also need to do, you know, to really look at major changes.
[00:21:09]  What is a national problem?
[00:21:10]  What does a national divorce look like in your estimation?
[00:21:16]  Well, a national divorce is not a civil war.
[00:21:18]  It's actually separating by red states and blue states and making state rights and state power a lot stronger than it is right now.
[00:21:28]  It would be shrinking the federal government.
[00:21:30]  For example, we can take education.
[00:21:32]  Well, if we have a national divorce, there's no need for the Department of Education.
[00:21:36]  Red states and blue states would be in control of the education in each state.
[00:21:40]  Red states would very likely have traditional education, homeschooling, charter schools, private schools, technical schools.
[00:21:50]  They would not allow any type of gender lies being taught in their schools.
[00:21:54]  LGBTQ woke teachers would be fired and not allowed to teach there.
[00:21:59]  They would allow parents to be able to choose the curriculum instead of school boards that don't respect parents' beliefs and traditional family values.
[00:22:09]  And maybe in blue states, they would have full gender transition schools for their students.
[00:22:15]  I don't know what they would do, but I'm sure their education would look different than ours.
[00:22:19]  No, just to make sure I understand, are you arguing for separate nations?
[00:22:25]  No, not separate nations, not at all, because I believe in the United States of America and don't want to see that go away.
[00:22:32]  I believe that we still need a strong United States military, but the Department of Defense should return to its original charter and intent.
[00:22:43]  You know, and it's supposed its mission is to defend our borders and our national security.
[00:22:49]  And, you know, under what I'm talking about, that's what our Department of Defense would do.
[00:22:54]  It wouldn't be more interested in fighting foreign wars and defending foreign countries' borders.
[00:22:59]  It would defend the United States borders so that each state could exist how it chooses to exist.
[00:23:06]  And I want to stand up for you here, Marjorie, because I think you're actually hitting something really true, which is I share almost nothing in common culturally and sometimes linguistically.
[00:23:17]  Literally, we speak different languages than someone in San Francisco.
[00:23:20]  They think it's okay to teach pornography to eight-year-olds.
[00:23:23]  I think it's reprehensible, evil, and wrong.
[00:23:24]  They think it's okay to have medical mutilation treatment.
[00:23:27]  They think America is systemically racist.
[00:23:29]  They don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
[00:23:30]  I certainly do.
[00:23:31]  And so I think you're right over something super important.
[00:23:36]  They think it's okay to have illegals vote.
[00:23:38]  I think that's completely wrong.
[00:23:40]  I want to see your cure border.
[00:23:41]  They want a wide open border.
[00:23:42]  Want literally their idea of rehabilitation for drugs is just to give out syringes and needles and to have clinics for people to do that.
[00:23:50]  They're okay with mask mandates, COVID tyranny, and public nudity against all of those things.
[00:23:55]  And so I think what you really committed the crime of noticing yesterday was like, hey, we're kind of already living in two separate countries.
[00:24:04]  Now, I think what got people a little animated and upset is they intentionally wanted to read something that wasn't there and they started talking about secession and sedition.
[00:24:14]  That's really sloppy and lazy because based on what you're telling me right now, as you go deeper and explain it, you're talking about a robust commitment to the restoration of federalism, are you not?
[00:24:27]  Yes, that's actually what this would be.
[00:24:29]  And it would solve many of the problems that we have today.
[00:24:32]  We could allow states like California, if they want illegals to vote in their elections, and fine, you get to do that.
[00:24:40]  If they choose to allow children to go through a gender transition, then that's, I think that's terrible.
[00:24:48]  I completely disagree with it, but we wouldn't intercede in their laws.
[00:24:53]  And then we would also allow red states to, say, for example, to support police officers, pay them better, not allow them to be viewed as racist thugs, allow gun owners to protect themselves and defend themselves and their property without being worried that they're going to go to jail for stopping a criminal from violating them or murdering them or someone in their family.
[00:25:19]  This would help red states be crime free and blue states, well, they could abolish the police if they want to, because that's what Democrat lawmakers talk about.
[00:25:29]  They talk about abolishing the police.
[00:25:31]  Okay.
[00:25:32]  And then each left and right can live in the policies and the consequences of what they choose to make law.
[00:25:39]  So this is important because one side is actually okay with San Francisco.
[00:25:46]  Not okay, but we kind of say, not my problem, not my area.
[00:25:50]  Public nudity in San Francisco or chazz in Seattle or widespread vagrancy in Portland.
[00:25:57]  We don't support it.
[00:25:58]  We don't encourage it.
[00:26:00]  But also if we live in Nashville or we live in, you know, Birmingham, Alabama, we say just don't bring it here.
[00:26:06]  However, the left does not have that belief.
[00:26:08]  They want to almost through a colonialist mindset, they're mad that Ron DeSantis is able to make prudent changes to curriculum.
[00:26:18]  They want to impose it through that.
[00:26:20]  And so in some ways, we want to have a ceasefire.
[00:26:24]  We're okay with that.
[00:26:25]  Just don't bring your creepy, weird ideas to our towns and our counties.
[00:26:31]  But the left, this is where I'm a little bit, I push back a little bit, Marjorie.
[00:26:36]  I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I don't think the left would ever stop.
[00:26:40]  I don't think they'll ever stop trying to invade our states or our counties.
[00:26:44]  So how do we stop them?
[00:26:46]  Well, I think that, you know, red states could choose in how they allow people to vote in their states.
[00:26:52]  For example, over the past couple of years, we've seen a mass exodus from California and New York, where we've seen people fleeing those leftist policies and moving to states like Florida, Georgia, Texas, states where they like the tax policies.
[00:27:11]  They like the schools.
[00:27:13]  They like the consequences of Republican and Red policies.
[00:27:17]  What I think would be something that some red states could propose is, well, okay, if Democrat voters choose to flee these blue states where they cannot tolerate the living conditions, they don't want their children taught these horrible things and they really change their mind on the types of policies that they support.
[00:27:36]  Well, once they move to a red state, guess what?
[00:27:39]  Maybe you don't get to vote for five years.
[00:27:41]  You can live there, you can work there, but you don't get to bring your values that you basically created in the blue states you came from by voting for Democrat leaders and Democrat policies.
[00:27:54]  But this would be up to red states to be able to choose to do something like that so that their red states don't get changed, which is what's happening, unfortunately, when Democrat voters leave their Democrat states and they take their Democrat votes with them.
[00:28:10]  That would be something that these red states would have to really consider and choose to do.
[00:28:14]  But I'm a big believer in freedom, Charlie, but I'm also a big believer in defending our ability to pursue life and liberty and happiness.
[00:28:25]  And the left is completely destroying that for those of us on the right.
[00:28:28]  One of the things I will say is that Republicans should be very careful to invite major corporations to re-domicile their workers into some of their suburban corridors, especially in Tarrant County, Texas, which is suburban Dallas, in Chandler, Arizona.
[00:28:49]  I think it's way overdone.
[00:28:51]  And I think that it brings in people that do not share your values.
[00:28:55]  That kind of big tech re-domiciling program looks good on paper.
[00:29:00]  It looks great for property values and tax revenues and all of that.
[00:29:03]  However, when you do it too quickly, and I call them ribbon-cutting Republicans, they're really happy to keep on cutting those ribbons of HP or Salesforce or Dropbox or Apple or Google to have these satellite companies.
[00:29:18]  But they are going to move tens of thousands of workers and they are largely left-wing and they change the fabric of those states.
[00:29:26]  So, Congressman Green, I want to make sure I understood you correctly.
[00:29:29]  Were you saying that we should have a cooling off period to say people should not be able to vote for a couple years if they move from a blue state to a red state?
[00:29:40]  It would be something I would highly recommend with the mass exodus of states like California and New York, where people that have lived in these Democrat states all their lives and really just don't know any other way.
[00:29:52]  But then when they move somewhere like Florida or Georgia or Texas or another red state and they just really, they always love it and they are just praising how wonderful it is.
[00:30:02]  But yet at election time, they turn around and vote Democrat like they always have.
[00:30:06]  Well, they really are like newcomers ruining our beautiful red states and trying to change the values that we have.
[00:30:14]  And I think a smart thing for Republican states to do would be say, you know what, we love for you to move here.
[00:30:21]  We welcome you to our state.
[00:30:23]  And if you like the way it is, we want to keep it that way.
[00:30:27]  So a cooling period would be great.
[00:30:29]  You can still vote in federal elections, but maybe we don't want you to vote in our state elections for a while.
[00:30:35]  And that's something that they could do.
[00:30:37]  And a national divorce, I don't know, give them maybe five years, three to five years to realize and learn why the red states are the way they are.
[00:30:45]  And it's because of Republican votes, not Democrat votes.
[00:30:50]  If you can hear the screaming, that is the ACLU already preemptively filing a lawsuit.
[00:30:56]  So let me ask you, though, Marjorie, you do have experience with Republicans creating tax incentives and tax credits to basically re-domicile Hollywood to Georgia.
[00:31:07]  I think this is a story that doesn't get enough attention.
[00:31:10]  I want to, what you just said is very spicy and definitely interesting from a thought experiment standpoint.
[00:31:15]  But I want to defend why you're saying it, because you've seen the fabric of Georgia change because of people like Will Farrell and the Hollywood cabal going to Georgia because it was so attractive financially.
[00:31:28]  Tell us the story of how Republicans created a mini Hollywood in Georgia that led to really two blue Senate seats and Joe Biden getting electoral votes from Georgia.
[00:31:39]  Well, that's exactly it, Charlie, is a little more than 10 years ago here in Georgia, Republican lawmakers thought it would be a great idea to offer tax credits to Hollywood filmmakers to come to Georgia to make movies.
[00:31:51]  Maybe it's been 15 years now.
[00:31:53]  Well, this is a lot of us in Georgia that have lived here all our lives feel like that was a major mistake because we don't like Hollywood's values.
[00:32:01]  We don't like their abortion on demand.
[00:32:03]  We don't like the things that they want to teach our children and show our children on their movies.
[00:32:10]  And we really want those things to stay in Hollywood and not be exported to Georgia.
[00:32:15]  But that's exactly what happened when Georgia offered these tax credits to Hollywood.
[00:32:19]  Movie makers, they came to Georgia.
[00:32:21]  They loved it so much.
[00:32:22]  They loved the tax credits and they stayed.
[00:32:25]  And now we've seen a big change in our Georgia elections.
[00:32:29]  We have two Democrat senators representing Georgia and no longer Republican senators.

=== Economic Growth and Jobs (02:29) ===

[00:32:36]  And we are a state that I would say we're a little bit more purple than I like.
[00:32:42]  We've had to fight off Stacey Abrams twice now, even though she still thought she was governor for quite some time.
[00:32:49]  But this is the problems.
[00:32:50]  And I agree with you.
[00:32:51]  And this is a mistake that a lot of Republican states do is they say, we're going to bring in jobs.
[00:32:56]  We're bringing in business.
[00:32:57]  And then they offer these tax credits to woke industries and woke corporations.
[00:33:03]  And five to 10 years down the road, the people that were born and raised there don't recognize their cities or counties and their states anymore because they move into your state and they bring their Democrat votes with them.
[00:33:16]  And I think this is something that, say, if we ended up in a national divorce situation, well, red states could stop that from happening by changing their voting laws and say, we welcome you to live here, but we just don't want you to bring your votes with you for a little while.
[00:33:30]  We want you to learn and understand why this is the way it is.
[00:33:35]  It's a very important point.
[00:33:37]  And this is why Republican governors and legislatures need to have a higher purpose than just economic growth.
[00:33:45]  If all you have is economic growth as a reason as to why you are elected, that is not a good thing.
[00:33:51]  So people say, well, Charlie, what is a good way to be able to deter bad guys from coming to your states and keep your people?
[00:33:58]  Gun racks.
[00:34:01]  It freaks them out.
[00:34:02]  You think I'm kidding?
[00:34:03]  If they see people, they lose their mind.
[00:34:06]  20 seconds.
[00:34:07]  Okay, another one is, how about let's keep our jobs in America instead of exporting them overseas?
[00:34:12]  If we want to grow our economies and grow our job growth in our states and in our country, then we should be passing laws, states, state laws, and tax regulations and cutting red tape to be able for companies to grow their industries based on the populations and the people here, not based on slave labor or jobs or how cheap they can make it overseas.
[00:34:36]  I think that'd be a big step in the right direction, too.
[00:34:38]  Marjorie Taylor Greene went viral yesterday calling for a national divorce.
[00:34:42]  And I think we have clarity on it.
[00:34:44]  A restoration of federalism and a constitutional reset.
[00:34:47]  Marjorie, God bless you.
[00:34:48]  Thank you so much.
[00:34:50]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:34:52]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:34:53]  Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:34:56]  Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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