The Charlie Kirk Show - America LAST — Biden's Border Calamity and the Woke/Wahhabi Alliance with Asra Nomani and Todd Bensman
Aired: 2023-02-21
Duration: 34:23


=== Freedom and Common Ground (02:45) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we have Todd Bensman, author of new book Overrun.
[00:00:05]  He says seven to eight thousand people a day are coming across the southern border.
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[00:01:25]  Asra, welcome to the program.
[00:01:26]  Oh my gosh, Charlie, thank you so much.
[00:01:28]  I feel like I could talk to you for hours.
[00:01:30]  We've got so much, so much common ground.
[00:01:32]  Thank you.
[00:01:33]  I agree.
[00:01:34]  And I want to talk to you about the war on merit, but first, tell us about your book.
[00:01:38]  And I have a very specific question that maybe you can clarify for me about one of the arguments in your book.
[00:01:44]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:01:45]  So this book, Woke Army, it's a labor of love.
[00:01:49]  It was actually released on Valentine's Day.
[00:01:52]  And I say that it's like a love letter to all the enemies out there who have tried to shut me up and you also, Charlie.
[00:01:59]  Some of your friends at Young Turks are featured in this book.
[00:02:02]  Yeah, yep, I know.
[00:02:04]  That's why I said we could talk for hours.
[00:02:06]  So Charlie, you know, the thing is, I'm a Muslim.
[00:02:09]  I'm an immigrant from India and I came to this country at the age of four.
[00:02:13]  I knew not a word of English and this country gave me freedoms that no Muslim country could have ever afforded me.
[00:02:19]  I grew up in the heart of America in West Virginia and I love this country.
[00:02:25]  This country allowed me to go from being that little girl to a Wall Street Journal reporter at the age of 23.
[00:02:31]  But, you know, like a lot of people, 9-11 was an awakening and I emerged out of the tragedy of the murder of a dear friend of mine, Danny Pearl, into a Muslim reformer.

=== The Woke Army Alliance (05:56) ===

[00:02:45]  I started challenging Islamic extremism and that put me in the crosshairs of this just diabolical campaign to shut people up.
[00:02:56]  What I've learned now is that these Muslim establishment people who were supported by Senk at Young Turks, they have come together in this alliance, this unholy alliance with the leftists.
[00:03:13]  And Sank is a perfect example because here he is, creates this organization called Justice Democrats, you know, and it's pushing socialism and he's running cover for the Islamists or those establishment Muslims that want, you know, theocracy as a part of governance.
[00:03:32]  And how does this all matter to America?
[00:03:35]  I'm going to try to unpack that for you and all your listeners now.
[00:03:39]  That's a terrific setup.
[00:03:40]  So just one question there, then we can get into the war on merit, which I think is really important.
[00:03:45]  But something that perplexes me and confuses me is that devout religious Muslims and devout social justice warrior wokies, they seem so ideologically and philosophically incompatible.
[00:03:59]  Muslims believe in God.
[00:04:00]  They believe you should submit to God.
[00:04:02]  They tend to be anti-abortion.
[00:04:04]  They tend to be against homosexuality.
[00:04:06]  And the woke don't believe in God.
[00:04:09]  They believe in kind of creating your own truth.
[00:04:12]  They tend to be okay and enthusiastic about abortion, very in favor of the trans thing.
[00:04:17]  So how is that these two groups that have almost nothing in common have this marriage and this alliance?
[00:04:24]  Yeah, it's politics, Charlie.
[00:04:26]  You know, you know, politics is about power and control over people.
[00:04:31]  And what happened is that the establishment Muslims were very much aligned, some of them for the socially conservative reasons with the Republicans for many years, but in fact, you know, voting for President Bush, second Bush.
[00:04:47]  And then President Obama came in.
[00:04:50]  And with President Obama's turn and apologetics for establishment Muslims like the Muslim Brotherhood in countries like Egypt, they ended up, you know, attaching to the Democratic Party.
[00:05:04]  And the compromise that they've made on these socially, you know, abhorrent issues to them.
[00:05:12]  These are folks who are even, you know, for all that the left talks about conservatives, these are Muslims who actually are not only against homosexuality,
[00:05:26]  but agree with the criminalization of it and even the murder of people who are gay, which is nothing that any political conservative in America would ever agree with doing in that you cannot actually murder somebody for this moral issue that you might have a difference about.
[00:05:50]  There is so much difference on issues of women's rights, even.
[00:05:55]  You know, the far left, of course, and the Democrats always talk about our body, our choice.
[00:06:01]  But my activism as a Muslim woman began because I just walked up to the front door of my mosque in Morgantown, West Virginia, and wanted to step through the front door.
[00:06:11]  And a man stood in front of me and said, no, sister, you have to take the back door.
[00:06:15]  So how is it that these two come together?
[00:06:17]  It's because they ended up finding, you know, a Trojan horse with the Democratic Party that could push their political agenda.
[00:06:26]  And that's how we now have folks like Ilhan Omar and Rashid the Talib.
[00:06:31]  That's a very helpful explanation.
[00:06:33]  It still confuses me because they just seem so incompatible.
[00:06:38]  Here you have the Democrat Party saying that men can give birth and that there's no such thing as male and female roles.
[00:06:46]  And, you know, religious Muslims definitely don't believe that.
[00:06:50]  Okay, so I want to get into the war on merit.
[00:06:52]  To increase equity, school districts are now eliminating honor classes.
[00:06:56]  Tell us about it.
[00:06:58]  Oh, yeah.
[00:06:59]  This is, you know, so for 20 years, I have been fighting the extremists in my Muslim community.
[00:07:07]  I call them Islamists, you know, folks who want political governance through with religion.
[00:07:12]  Well, in the summer of 2020, like a lot of people, I started observing these really crazy things happening in my school district here, where my son was attending Fairfax County Public Schools outside of DC.
[00:07:24]  What they were doing is deciding that there wasn't enough of an achievement by Black and Hispanic students.
[00:07:32]  And so my son's high school happens to be the number one high school in America, Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
[00:07:40]  And they changed admissions so that there was no more of a merit race blind test, but a popularity contest really for which they rigged the numbers.
[00:07:52]  That was the warning sign for all of America that this sort of new phenomena that I call the woke army, these folks that call themselves equity warriors, they had merit as one of the areas that they wanted to take down in America.
[00:08:14]  So, what we see now, fast forward three years, is exactly what you're talking about.
[00:08:19]  I heard your tweet went viral this weekend about this war on merit.
[00:08:26]  This is the actual plan, Charlie, from Culver City Unified School District, right outside LA.
[00:08:35]  This was from 2020.
[00:08:36]  It was called What?
[00:08:38]  Equity, Social Justice, and Inclusion.

=== War on Merit Exposed (03:44) ===

[00:08:41]  And why does the woke army work together on something like this?
[00:08:46]  Because in these pages, Charlie, what they do is they have no mention of merit.
[00:08:52]  Merit is erased.
[00:08:54]  What they replace the honors classes with in this document is now something that they're calling ethnic studies.
[00:09:03]  And why does the establishment Muslims want ethnic studies?
[00:09:08]  Because in the ethnic studies programs, that's where they then bring in their anti-Israel, you know, yeah, anti-Semitic bias.
[00:09:18]  And that's what's happening.
[00:09:20]  This little war plan is what's now in place.
[00:09:25]  That's what ended up becoming front page news in the Wall Street Journal last week about the elimination of honors.
[00:09:32]  And, you know, why do they want, why does the woke army want to get rid of the merit admissions, the honors classes?
[00:09:42]  Because they want to dumb kids down so that they can become woke baby.
[00:09:49]  You know, you dumb the kid down.
[00:09:52]  You don't give them algebra in eighth grade.
[00:09:55]  You don't give them the classical books in 10th, 11th grade, and they're ripe for stuff like this.
[00:10:03]  That indoctrination.
[00:10:04]  Everyone, check out the book.
[00:10:05]  It's terrific.
[00:10:07]  Woke Army is what it's called.
[00:10:09]  And it's about this red-green axis that has been formed.
[00:10:14]  It's very, very interesting.
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[00:11:20]  It's an infinitely interesting topic to me.
[00:11:23]  The book is called Woke Army, The Red-Green Alliance that is Destroying America's Freedom by Asra Nomani.
[00:11:31]  So Asra, it's interesting.
[00:11:33]  I feel as if the conservative movement has not talked enough about the radical Islamic influence in domestic politics.
[00:11:44]  It used to be a very common topic and theme at retreats and at events and on television and radio.
[00:11:53]  Not so much anymore.
[00:11:55]  And I think there's a lot of reasons for that.
[00:11:57]  But you're arguing that the influence is actually greater than ever before, especially domestically.
[00:12:03]  And so is, let me ask you a question from Elon Omar to Rashida Talib to many other radical left-wing activists that are also radical, you know, radical Muslims.
[00:12:16]  And maybe they're not radical Muslims.
[00:12:18]  You can correct me if not.
[00:12:19]  But is there a foreign influence here?
[00:12:20]  Is there money and training and resources coming from abroad to influence American domestic politics?

=== Border Security Goals (14:45) ===

[00:12:26]  Oh my gosh, yes, Charlie.
[00:12:27]  And, you know, this book, Woke Army, was a completely different book in the summer of 2020.
[00:12:34]  And then critical race theory emerged.
[00:12:36]  And I called James Lindsay, you know, who many of people.
[00:12:39]  I adore him.
[00:12:40]  He's fabulous.
[00:12:41]  So James is just wonderful, got on the phone with me.
[00:12:44]  And in three hours, I got my tutorial on critical race theory.
[00:12:48]  I got the book, you know, and I poured through it.
[00:12:51]  And being a journalist, I then looked at how this trickles down and how it becomes things like woke baby, right?
[00:12:58]  I wanted to see it in the trenches.
[00:13:02]  And then I saw it in the trenches, right, Charlie, with the war on merit.
[00:13:07]  What I didn't fully understand, but now I completely understand and rewrote the book then over that summer is I understood them.
[00:13:16]  What the Islamists did, Charlie, is they saw a great opportunity with this ideology of critical race theory to create a new shield for themselves.
[00:13:28]  They racialized Muslims.
[00:13:30]  So we became a racial class.
[00:13:33]  And over these last years, you've, I'm sure, heard and been accused of being Islamophobic, right?
[00:13:40]  Of course.
[00:13:41]  As I have been, a Muslim reformer and a feminist.
[00:13:46]  I've been called an Islamophobe.
[00:13:48]  It has become one of their methods of character assassination in order to get us to shift the conversation to what?
[00:13:57]  White supremacy.
[00:14:00]  And thus we stop our conversations about the real phenomena of Muslim supremacy, right?
[00:14:07]  It's not terminating cliché, but okay, Muslim supremacy.
[00:14:10]  You're right.
[00:14:11]  Tell us about that.
[00:14:11]  You're not supposed to say that.
[00:14:13]  Yes, because I live it.
[00:14:16]  I see it all the time when I go to the mosque.
[00:14:19]  And I mean, it is not only male supremacy because I'm put as a woman into the back halls, something that's not even allowed on racial lines anymore, fortunately, America.
[00:14:30]  But in my mosque, I got to go to the back door, go sit.
[00:14:33]  They say, they say, Charlie, oh, go to the balcony because you're closer to heaven.
[00:14:38]  I'm like, well, you want to get closer to heaven.
[00:14:40]  Why don't you guys go there and give us the main hall?
[00:14:43]  But no, they don't.
[00:14:45]  And what has happened then, you know, to your point is the conversation and the Democrats have led on this is eliminate any conversation on Muslim supremacy, make everybody focus on white supremacy.
[00:14:59]  And the Muslims in this new hierarchy of human value get new standing, including the extremists.
[00:15:07]  Because what is Ilhan Omer's strategy, right, Charlie?
[00:15:10]  When she was so anti-Semitic, she just said, oh, you're being Islamophobic.
[00:15:15]  And then remember AOC the other day said, how dare you go after a woman of color?
[00:15:20]  Well, they've now whitewashed Jewish people, right?
[00:15:24]  They have changed the hierarchy of human value using this failed ideology of critical race theory to do it.
[00:15:32]  So really quick, only one minute remaining.
[00:15:34]  Do you think there might be a fault line between the rank and file Muslims, people that really believe their faith, but they're not radicals.
[00:15:41]  They're not being paid by a foreign government.
[00:15:43]  And they say, wait a second, this is totally inconsistent with my beliefs.
[00:15:46]  Oh, yeah, it's happening.
[00:15:48]  I don't know if you've watched some of the parents that have received.
[00:15:51]  Yes, in Michigan in particular.
[00:15:53]  In Michigan, we have parents that are leading in Ilhan Omer's own school district because after woke, baby, you end up getting books like what?
[00:16:03]  You know this.
[00:16:04]  You talk a lot about it, right?
[00:16:06]  The pronoun book.
[00:16:07]  Yes.
[00:16:07]  And gay BCs, right?
[00:16:11]  So no matter how even evolved you are, we know that there's age-appropriate material and age-inappropriate material.
[00:16:21]  And so the fault lines are happening.
[00:16:23]  Great way to put it, Charlie, but they are happening.
[00:16:26]  And people are rethinking in the trenches, just like you said, just regular Muslims, the strange alliance that they've had.
[00:16:34]  And I count myself among them because I was a hard-caring Democrat for most of my life and have seen that they have betrayed my own personal value.
[00:16:45]  Yeah, look, thank you for joining us.
[00:16:48]  I hope there is a reformation within Islam.
[00:16:51]  And I'm glad you're helping lead that.
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[00:18:00]  As our own border is invaded, we seem really worried about the invasion of other countries.
[00:18:04]  Doesn't make sense to me.
[00:18:06]  In just a second, we're going to dive into Todd Bensman's new book, How Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in UN History in U.S. history, while we're caring about the foreign borders.
[00:18:16]  And so over the weekend, I had a Twitter dispute with Adam Kinzinger.
[00:18:22]  It's strange, to be honest.
[00:18:26]  So I said this.
[00:18:26]  I said, to everyone demanding that Ukrainian soldiers and civilians die for, quote, as long as it takes to stop Putin, do you realize Russia is mobilizing 300,000 to half a million troops as we speak?
[00:18:38]  Are you really prepared for the loss of life?
[00:18:40]  Are you not interested in peace?
[00:18:41]  Adam Kinzinger said, the weakness of scared, trembling boys who've never done a thing in their life, but live in comfort and complain that they aren't special enough, like Charlie Kirk, is the antithesis of American strength.
[00:18:55]  Ukraine will win.
[00:18:56]  I'll save this tweet and hang it around you later.
[00:19:01]  Yeah, so I'm really confused.
[00:19:02]  Okay, yeah, calling me a scared and trembling boy is rather petulant and irrelevant to whether or not you're prepared to have a bunch of Ukrainians die in a looming bloodbath.
[00:19:16]  So then I say the following: the man too cowardly to run for re-election talks tough on Twitter.
[00:19:20]  When it's other people's children and family members who will die, can we count on you, Adam, to lead a platoon of Ukrainians on the front lines in time for spring fighting season?
[00:19:27]  Then Adam King Kinzinger responded again.
[00:19:31]  He said, nah, I've already done my time in war.
[00:19:33]  The Air Force doesn't have platoons genius.
[00:19:35]  I was elected six times.
[00:19:37]  Again, that's besides the point.
[00:19:39]  The point is, will you go lead a group of people, Mr. Kinzinger?
[00:19:43]  So, no, the answer, of course not.
[00:19:45]  Adam Kinzinger will armchair quarterback this from America while the world becomes destabilized because he has a war fetish while ignoring our own border.
[00:19:57]  Not even a concern for our own border.
[00:20:00]  And joining us now is Todd Bensman, author of a new book, Overrun, How the Joe Biden Unleashed the Greatest Border Crisis in U.S. History.
[00:20:06]  Todd, welcome to the program.
[00:20:08]  Thanks for having me.
[00:20:09]  I do appreciate it.
[00:20:10]  So, Todd, how about this?
[00:20:12]  You've done 500 interviews that you nearly risked your life multiple times to kind of learn what was happening.
[00:20:18]  Tell us about that.
[00:20:18]  And then I have a specific follow-up question.
[00:20:20]  So we'll start there.
[00:20:22]  Well, there seems to be still contention about why we're having the greatest numbers, volume-wise, ever cross that border in the history of record keeping for the country.
[00:20:35]  But when you ask the immigrants why they're coming, it's pretty simple.
[00:20:40]  They say they're coming because the border's open and all their friends, relatives, and neighbors got in.
[00:20:46]  So we're going to sell everything and go to pay for our smuggling fees, drop 10,000 or whatever it costs, because we want to know in advance before we gamble that money that we're going to, first of all, be able to enter and second of all, be able to stay.
[00:21:04]  As long as they see that they can do that, they're coming.
[00:21:07]  So it started with a snowball that's turned into an avalanche.
[00:21:11]  And you learn that from interviewing the immigrants who are at the heart of this thing, the heart and soul of this whole crisis.
[00:21:18]  How many, and I, this is just semantics.
[00:21:21]  I don't consider them immigrants.
[00:21:22]  I think they're criminals, but, and I think it gives them too much credit.
[00:21:25]  So how many foreigners are illegally breaking into our country every day?
[00:21:30]  Well, we had, we heard Jay Johnson, the former Secretary of State under Obama, one time say, man, if I woke up and there were a thousand a day crossing, I would have a really bad day.
[00:21:42]  This would be terrible.
[00:21:44]  And we've been at 7,000 and 8,000 a day for two years straight.
[00:21:50]  We're looking at 50,000 a week, 200,000 a month.
[00:21:56]  In December, we had 250,000.
[00:21:59]  It seems like every month is a brand new record-smashing month.
[00:22:04]  I mean, what's happening here is beyond the American experience, anything that we've ever seen, which is why I call it in the book, you know, the greatest mass migration in U.S. history.
[00:22:14]  That is what it is.
[00:22:17]  So, yeah, so let me ask you, the seven to eight thousand a day, and they're trying to, in essence, decriminalize it so that we have complete and total open borders.
[00:22:30]  When Mark Kelly ran for the U.S. Senate seat and was re-elected, he said that we're deploying a lot more resources to the border.
[00:22:36]  Do you have any evidence to support that?
[00:22:39]  Well, they're pulling resources to the border not to block, stop, and deter, which the law says the administration has to do.
[00:22:47]  The resources that are being surged to the border are to enable the most to come in in the smoothest possible way without building into some kind of an international media story like the Del Rio migrant camp or more recently, the El Paso situation where you had thousands of immigrants, illegal immigrants sleeping in the streets.
[00:23:09]  That's really what their goal is for what their idea is for border security.
[00:23:15]  Whereas the rest of like normal people know border security as stop them from coming, block them from coming, deport.
[00:23:25]  The administration has allowed a cobble.
[00:23:28]  I write about this extensively in the book, Chapter 4, called The New Theologians, which is to say that they've allowed this cobbl of really extreme fringe left liberal progressives to seize control of the portfolio, the immigration portfolio.
[00:23:48]  And their idea is that there shall be no immigration enforcement at the border.
[00:23:54]  It's immoral.
[00:23:56]  It's like Jim Crow laws of the 1950s or something to them.
[00:24:00]  And so they have systematically dismantled interior deportation and almost all of the enforcement at the southern border.
[00:24:09]  That's why we've had 5 million people cross through the southern border and millions of them are inside the country right now and millions more are coming.
[00:24:21]  Nothing is going to change here.
[00:24:23]  My book just freeze framed at like two years.
[00:24:26]  We have another two years of this coming.
[00:24:28]  We're probably going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 million and 8 million in the country by the end of the Biden administration.
[00:24:37]  And I'm going to say that that's a conservative number.
[00:24:41]  Yeah, it is 2.7 million we're on pace for just in this calendar year.
[00:24:47]  It'll be the third calendar year of that.
[00:24:50]  Third at 2.7 million.
[00:24:54]  How many are now in the interior of the country?
[00:24:57]  Well, it's a little bit hard to say.
[00:24:59]  We can guess.
[00:25:00]  I always play it on the conservative side.
[00:25:02]  So just keep that in mind.
[00:25:04]  But we know for sure that about 2.5 million were let in, were admitted by the administration under very sketchy legal basis.
[00:25:17]  And then the problem where we don't know the full number is the gotaways.
[00:25:23]  We know that there are at least 1.1, 1.2 million that got through undetected.
[00:25:31]  That is almost always a vast undercount.
[00:25:34]  It's probably much higher than that.
[00:25:36]  Part of the border crisis is, you know, there are give up traffic, people that just come over by the thousands and wait to be processed in.
[00:25:45]  They'll be on a bus in two days to Chicago or Indianapolis or wherever.
[00:25:50]  But then the other part are the ones that know they're probably not going to get in.
[00:25:55]  They're hiding something, criminal activity, criminal behavior, convictions, whatever, gang membership on a database.
[00:26:02]  And they're running through the undefended gaps that have been left behind by border patrol who have been forced to go into administrative processing for the give-ups.
[00:26:16]  So there are two components of this.
[00:26:18]  Together, it's all utter pandemonium and just this nonstop flow of just hundreds and hundreds of thousands and millions into the interior of the country.
[00:26:29]  And then you have Chicago, Denver, Washington, D.C., New York declaring emergencies and demanding federal bailouts.
[00:26:39]  And that list is going to get longer and longer.
[00:26:43]  I'm going to ask you after the break, just what you learned from talking to these criminals at the border and kind of why are they saying they're here?
[00:26:53]  How many of them are being brought by cartels, which the Biden regime, one of the less covered stories is how the Biden regime is very cozy with the cartels and they are just allowing the cartels to do whatever they want on the southern border.
[00:27:07]  It's one of the largest human trafficking enterprises ever.

=== Abortion Trafficking Crisis (02:01) ===

[00:27:11]  In fact, in scale, you can make an argument.
[00:27:14]  It's very similar to the slave trade that we think actually we ended in the 1800s.
[00:27:19]  But in reality, this is pseudo-slavery.
[00:27:22]  And the left, of course, is perfectly fine with it.
[00:27:25]  They purchase people.
[00:27:26]  It's indentured servitude.
[00:27:28]  They have to repay the passage fees.
[00:27:32]  And we're told that it's compassionate when in reality, it is a modern day equivalent, in some ways more technologically sophisticated.
[00:27:42]  In other ways, just as morally cruel as the transatlantic slave trade that we saw in the 1600s and 1700s.
[00:27:50]  But the Democrats are fine with that, and they want to tell us we're a racist country.
[00:27:56]  Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
[00:27:58]  When Roe versus Wade fell as the law of the land last year, all it did was increase what pro-abortion states are doing to entice and mislead women to abort their children.
[00:28:07]  States are now advertising to travel just to get an abortion.
[00:28:11]  It's become abortion trafficking.
[00:28:13]  So the need to provide the truth as girls and women are contemplating what to do about their pregnancy is greater now than ever before.
[00:28:20]  Ultrasounds save babies because ultrasounds give the truth at a time everyone else is saying it's not just a baby, it's just a clump of cells.
[00:28:28]  When you introduce a girl to her baby by providing an ultrasound, you are giving her the truth at the most important time of her life.
[00:28:35]  And more than 85% of the time, she will choose life.
[00:28:38]  You don't have to make a lot of noise to make a big difference for life.
[00:28:41]  Just give an ultrasound at preborn.org to be a hero for life.
[00:28:44]  That is preborn.org.
[00:28:46]  $140 gives five mothers a free ultrasound and saves babies.
[00:28:49]  $200 can save 10 babies.
[00:28:51]  Go to preborn.org.
[00:28:52]  I love this organization.
[00:28:53]  I'm a donor to it.
[00:28:54]  Check it out, preborn.org.
[00:28:59]  So, Todd, you spoke to 500 people on the border.
[00:29:01]  What did you learn?
[00:29:03]  At least.
[00:29:04]  Well, listen, for the most part, these are not asylum seekers.
[00:29:08]  These are not people who are fleeing political persecution.

=== Rational Asylum Seekers (05:10) ===

[00:29:12]  I don't believe I've ever talked to one who actually made a claim to me while they're en route that they are fleeing some kind of political persecution or economic migrants.
[00:29:23]  And they say so loud and clear, constantly saying, yeah, I'm just coming for a better job and the border's open.
[00:29:30]  So I'm coming in for that.
[00:29:32]  But almost all of them will abuse our asylum system.
[00:29:36]  They'll make an asylum claim that lets them stay in the country pretty much forever.
[00:29:43]  And so I think that there's this narrative out there that you hear it all the time.
[00:29:48]  Well, my God, they're fleeing absolute certain death.
[00:29:51]  They are going to die if we send them back.
[00:29:54]  Some of them even call ice air repatriation flights death flights.
[00:30:00]  That is just simply not true.
[00:30:03]  These are mostly people, take the Haitians.
[00:30:07]  Haitians are not coming from Haiti.
[00:30:09]  These ones that have been pouring over our border have been living for years in Chile and Brazil with jobs, sanctuary, asylum, work authorization, everything.
[00:30:22]  But when they saw that the southern border was open, they were like, ah, I got an easy upgrade, lifestyle upgrade.
[00:30:29]  And they admit it.
[00:30:30]  Take the Venezuelans, so many Venezuelans coming over.
[00:30:34]  Very few of them are actually coming from Venezuela.
[00:30:37]  They've been living for five, six, seven years and longer in Colombia, Argentina, and 15 other South American countries safely, prosperously, all the rest of that.
[00:30:49]  But they can get into the United States.
[00:30:51]  So they're coming.
[00:30:53]  And they tell you this over and over again.
[00:30:55]  You'll never see it in the news reporting because for whatever reason, the reporters that go down there never ask those questions.
[00:31:03]  They just don't ask the question, why are you coming now?
[00:31:08]  And I think that's probably to clear that up is, I think, a public service.
[00:31:15]  I think the American people really need to know why the vast super majority of them are coming.
[00:31:21]  And they'll tell you when you ask them.
[00:31:22]  And the vast super majority basically are saying for more money.
[00:31:27]  Yeah, going for a job.
[00:31:28]  I was doing great in Colombia.
[00:31:30]  I love Chile, the nightlife, the beaches, but heck, all my friends are getting in over the border.
[00:31:36]  They're letting us in.
[00:31:37]  And it's true.
[00:31:39]  This is a live wire social media intelligence network.
[00:31:44]  They're sending selfies back.
[00:31:47]  When New York takes a bunch of immigrants from Texas or whatever, illegal immigrants from Texas, they're staying in four-star and five-star hotels at taxpayer expense.
[00:31:59]  They are sending those selfies home, and they're all coming to New York to get five-star hotel treatment.
[00:32:05]  Why wouldn't they?
[00:32:08]  Most of them are perfectly rational people.
[00:32:12]  They're willing to bend the rules of somebody else's country in order to upgrade their lifestyles.
[00:32:20]  They're breaking the law on the first step into the country.
[00:32:24]  True, but it's rational, when their decisions are just.
[00:32:29]  Well, I don't know.
[00:32:30]  I mean, I guess looting is not rational, right?
[00:32:32]  I mean, it's rational if you're okay with immoral activity.
[00:32:36]  That's where I'll disagree.
[00:32:38]  What I mean is that if you're contemplating a move from Chicago to New York for a job, you're going to take into account all these factors.
[00:32:47]  How much is it going to cost?
[00:32:48]  How much am I going to make?
[00:32:50]  What's the cost of living?
[00:32:51]  That sort of thing.
[00:32:52]  And that's all they're doing.
[00:32:54]  And we're letting them in.
[00:32:56]  So, you know, it's these are policy choices, is what I'm saying that's enticing this mass migration, not certain death, not absolute political persecution and gulags and jails and North Korea type treatment.
[00:33:13]  And that's what you learn when you actually sit down and talk to as many as I have.
[00:33:18]  Yeah, Biden and Majorkis and Harris have been inviting them repeatedly, and it's by design.
[00:33:24]  And then they run, they run.
[00:33:27]  Yeah, and then they run non-stop ads.
[00:33:28]  They raise hundreds of millions of dollars to lie to voters when any of these Democrats are up.
[00:33:33]  If you're a swing voter, you think I talked to a swing voter here in Arizona, they said, I voted for Mark Kelly because he was the best on the border.
[00:33:39]  Literally, that's what people believe.
[00:33:42]  So I hope your book is successful to tell the truth.
[00:33:44]  Todd Benceman, the name is called Overrun.
[00:33:46]  Thank you so much.
[00:33:48]  Thank you.
[00:33:49]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:33:51]  The border is the biggest issue.
[00:33:53]  But your Republicans, everybody, you can rest assured, they're really worried about Putin.
[00:33:58]  I'll be honest, I couldn't care less about Putin as long as our southern border is wide open.
[00:34:02]  Not saying it's unimportant, but it's very low on the importance list as long as our border is wide open.
[00:34:10]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:34:11]  Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:34:14]  Thank you so much for listening.
[00:34:15]  God bless.
[00:34:19]  For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.