The Charlie Kirk Show - Ask Charlie Anything 130: What Drove the Idaho Killer? House Deal, Scam or Steal? Where Do We Find Meaning?
Aired: 2023-01-09
Duration: 44:57


=== McCarthy's Loyal Republicans (05:38) ===

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[00:00:18]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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[00:00:59]  Charlie, if this so-called deal that brought over MAGA conservatives in Congress to vote for Kevin McCarthy is good, then show us the agreement.
[00:01:07]  We want to judge it for ourselves to determine whether or not we've been sold out against Osolda once again for a worthless piece of paper written by cowards.
[00:01:16]  I agree.
[00:01:17]  We should see it.
[00:01:18]  That is a fair take, and I have no disagreement there.
[00:01:25]  Someone says, Charlie, why are you calling out the seven holdouts?
[00:01:29]  What a dirty, lowdown tactic by you.
[00:01:33]  I didn't call them out.
[00:01:35]  It's a fact.
[00:01:35]  I mean, these are seven people.
[00:01:37]  I actually called them patriots before.
[00:01:40]  I don't know really where that comes from.
[00:01:41]  I don't know why you got to be so nasty.
[00:01:44]  You call out seven congressmen who want to bring the House of Representatives back to operating as the Constitution mandates.
[00:01:50]  Shame on you.
[00:01:51]  Probably won't read this because it's not from your friends sent from my iPhone, Rudy.
[00:01:57]  Well, you're wrong.
[00:01:57]  I read it on air.
[00:01:59]  Just be honest.
[00:02:01]  You could be nasty.
[00:02:03]  Just be honest.
[00:02:05]  Okay, let's get to this one here.
[00:02:06]  Charlie, I think you're right.
[00:02:08]  I'm somebody who is more libertarian than conservative.
[00:02:10]  I'm saying you're right.
[00:02:11]  The problem with many people who are bashing you are acting on emotion and not with logic and reason.
[00:02:17]  There's no other way to get to 218 but McCarthy.
[00:02:20]  I love what Congressman Rosendale said on the floor yesterday.
[00:02:23]  I only wish we could get these concessions on a legal document, but you're correct in your analysis.
[00:02:29]  Getting to 218 is the question.
[00:02:31]  Someone says, Charlie, it's very obvious.
[00:02:34]  We need to have Jim Jordan as Speaker of the House.
[00:02:37]  The problem with that, I would love Jim Jordan to speak of the house, is how do you get him to 218 when McCarthy has 120 to 160 loyal, more moderate Republicans that he has done favors for and that he has grown to be close friends with.
[00:02:54]  So that is a question.
[00:02:57]  You have to be able to get to 218.
[00:02:58]  So show the path to get to 218 and the most conservative person or the most conservative concessions to help us get to 218, that should be considered a victory, whatever that is.
[00:03:10]  How about this one here?
[00:03:12]  Charlie, I don't want Kevin at all, but if 19 people get their concessions, Kevin will basically be powerless.
[00:03:17]  Well, now you're starting to think pragmatically.
[00:03:20]  Getting actual structural concessions, pretty important.
[00:03:27]  Someone here.
[00:03:28]  Charlie, I want to see the deal negotiated for me.
[00:03:31]  If I don't see the deal, I don't believe anything, period.
[00:03:34]  Derek, I think that's very fair.
[00:03:35]  I think we should all see the deal.
[00:03:37]  Anyone who voted against McCarthy will be defeated in the primaries or the general.
[00:03:42]  McCarthy will put millions of dollars against them in elections.
[00:03:45]  I believe they won't be reelected.
[00:03:46]  I'm not so sure about that.
[00:03:48]  The people who flipped to McCarthy, it feels like they were threatened without concessions.
[00:03:52]  McCarthy controls most donor money.
[00:03:55]  So how do we trust he won't go after his opponents?
[00:03:57]  That's part of the alleged concessions of CLF and the Club for Growth negotiations.
[00:04:04]  Charlie, I watch RAV almost every day and most shows, and I agree through explanations to your listeners most of the time.
[00:04:09]  However, as a former steelworker union negotiator, I think it would serve you and many of the shows to dig deeper and explain to listeners a more in-depth explanation about negotiations.
[00:04:20]  Negotiation is a talent-specific skill set, and not everyone understands.
[00:04:24]  As you know, you never get all you want, but you try to get the best deal you can and move on and try to improve next time.
[00:04:29]  I personally think that McCarthy should not be the speaker, and the rebels should hold out until he steps down.
[00:04:35]  But as I listen to representatives talking about reaching across the aisle, the Democrats, they need to go and should not be forgotten in their next election.
[00:04:41]  Sincerely, Sean.
[00:04:43]  Thank you, Sean, for your email.
[00:04:45]  Charlie, how long until the trans-Republican McCarthy will resign?
[00:04:50]  That is the only thing that we will accept.
[00:04:52]  Or Rennegs is what he had in his email.
[00:04:55]  Charlie, named one investigation that matters or that mattered.
[00:05:00]  I'll name five to your one.
[00:05:02]  I think investigations do matter.
[00:05:04]  I do.
[00:05:05]  I disagree.
[00:05:06]  If you don't, if you don't think investigations matter, then you don't believe in the promise of checks and balances and separation of powers of the Constitution.
[00:05:18]  I do want to take some of the deeper questions here, which is not even deeper, just more applicable.
[00:05:27]  Someone says here, because we did a show last week, the last show of the 2022 calendar year, I believe, already in 2023.

=== Permanent Action vs Temporary Mind (05:17) ===

[00:05:38]  And it definitely received some feedback.
[00:05:47]  And we were talking about people's lack of meaning in their life, this existential despair that seems to be cast over the country.
[00:05:59]  And it's really sad.
[00:06:01]  In the last week, somebody in the immediate circle at Turning Point USA and someone in my family circle both took their own lives.
[00:06:10]  Very sad and very hard to comprehend for many reasons.
[00:06:15]  Obviously, because it is a permanent action to what could be described as a temporary state of mind.
[00:06:23]  It is an irreversible, unchangeable decision.
[00:06:29]  And I shared some of my thoughts on that last week, but I do want to communicate two things because we do have a fair amount of people listening, which is the following.
[00:06:45]  That harming oneself is not a victimless crime.
[00:06:53]  You do end up causing suffering and pain for other people.
[00:07:01]  And number two, a feeling or an emotion that you very well might be experiencing at that particular moment is by no means permanent.
[00:07:13]  What I'm trying to say is that there is hope to be able to get help and healing.
[00:07:17]  Those are two very, very important things.
[00:07:20]  And I can tell you that in kind of the turning point USA world, it has been a very difficult week grappling with these ideas and this topic.
[00:07:32]  And a lot of people are hurt.
[00:07:34]  And so if you are hurting, I am encouraging, in fact, I am saying that in the most glaring way is don't hurt other people.
[00:07:48]  You might say, I don't want to hurt other people, but you do if you end up doing that.
[00:07:53]  And so we got a lot of emails on that topic.
[00:07:56]  Some people thought I was a little bit too harsh about the action itself.
[00:08:01]  I'm not going to go, I'm not going to relitigate all of that.
[00:08:04]  I have obviously compassion and sympathy for people that are experiencing that type of pain, but I also don't want to make it seem like that is a light thing to do, as if it's an acceptable action.
[00:08:20]  I do not believe it is at all.
[00:08:23]  You know, some people will say, well, they were in a lot of pain and it's understandable.
[00:08:31]  The pain is understandable, but it only continues the cycle of suffering that so many people are already in.
[00:08:39]  It opens up endless amounts of questions and torment for more people than I think you could ever imagine.
[00:08:50]  And as we mentioned last week in Victor Frankl's wonderful book, Man's Search for Meaning and his development of logotherapy, which basically means the therapy or the psychology of meaning, that you can find meaning in suffering.
[00:09:11]  That you do have free will, you have agency, you have choice to be able to choose what attitude you bring to every single moment.
[00:09:20]  Now, this is something that has been done a fair amount with Jordan Peterson and with Victor Frankl.
[00:09:31]  And it's who is the person that you want to be?
[00:09:35]  And take time to write that down and to visualize yourself.
[00:09:38]  And what Victor Frankl, who was living through the concentration camp, envisioned every single day, was living through the concentration camp and teaching a class about the psychology of a concentration camp.
[00:09:54]  That was his meaning.
[00:09:55]  His meaning was one day to be able to survive, to be able to tell people about logotherapy as a teacher.
[00:10:05]  It's very interesting.
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[00:12:00]  I want to talk about the Idaho murder.
[00:12:03]  There's something that really bothers me about the Idaho situation beyond the obvious.
[00:12:14]  And I'm going to walk through that in a second here.
[00:12:21]  So here's what this guy is by the name of Brian Koberger, 28 years old, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
[00:12:27]  I want to just keep saying that.
[00:12:32]  And the cops have done a great job looking into this.
[00:12:39]  And so a couple things.
[00:12:40]  We're continuing to get more information about this, the man accused of murdering the four college students at the University of Idaho.
[00:12:47]  It's become a rather incredible example of what forensic investigators are capable of these days.
[00:12:52]  40 years ago, this probably would have been an unsolved murder.
[00:12:55]  And for almost a month, it looked like it would be.
[00:12:57]  But thankfully, it has turned out that instead of being hopelessly lost, the police were steadily making progress.
[00:13:03]  And yesterday, we learned what evidence they were collecting.
[00:13:06]  Koberger, you'll remember, was a graduate student in criminology at Washington State University in Pullman, which is only about eight miles away from Moscow, where the University of Idaho is.
[00:13:17]  Koberger became a suspect because he was identified as the owner of a white Hyundai Elantra, which is an FBI analyst identified, which an FBI analyst identified as a vehicle of interest from a mountain of surveillance footage recorded from nearby buildings in the area.
[00:13:34]  From there, the evidence slowly came together, as often the case these days.
[00:13:37]  The suspect's cell phone played a role, according to the investigators.
[00:13:40]  Kohlberger's phone showed that he visited the murder house 12 times for the killings.
[00:13:45]  Not only that, but he returned to the area of the house around 9 a.m. on November 13th before the murders have even been discovered.
[00:13:51]  Now, let me take a pause here.
[00:13:53]  If it's indeed true that he visited the house 12 times, then it does dispel the fear that this was just a random killing, that he knew the victims.
[00:14:05]  Now, why is that a fear?
[00:14:07]  Because some people I think are now living in this state of mind that someone, a knife murderer, might just show up at your house.
[00:14:16]  Now, by the way, he could just be staking out.
[00:14:17]  We don't know.
[00:14:18]  We'll have to wait for the trial.
[00:14:19]  But it turns out the most important piece of evidence against Koberger might not be where his cell phone was pinged, but rather when it didn't.
[00:14:26]  According to the evidence released yesterday, Koberger's cell phone stopped reporting its location from 2.48 to 4.48 on November 13th, the exact time window where the killings occurred.
[00:14:36]  When his phone was turned back on, Koberger was driving on the road back to his university.
[00:14:40]  Police were able to recover just one single DNA sample of the killer from the scene, from a knife sheaf that was mistakenly left behind.
[00:14:48]  So the FBI picked up a trash sample from the home of Koberger's parents and found a match.
[00:14:53]  DNA found in a trash pile was a 99.999% likely to belong to the father of the person whose DNA was on the knife sheaf.
[00:15:03]  Also, it now turns out that one of the survivors actually saw the killer on the night of the slayings, which I'm not quite understanding this part of the story yet.
[00:15:12]  I'm sure we will.
[00:15:13]  Clarity will emerge as time goes on.
[00:15:16]  I'm still cloudy on this.
[00:15:18]  In an affidavit, Dylan Morton said she woke up at the time of the killings and she thought she overheard one of the victims saying, there's someone here.
[00:15:25]  When she poked her head out of the room, she came face to face with a man in black clothing and a mask that covered his mouth and nose.
[00:15:32]  Dylan immediately locked herself in a room.
[00:15:34]  Why didn't she call the police instead of waiting until seven hours later?
[00:15:38]  We don't know that yet, but we will.
[00:15:42]  I guarantee, under cross-examination, we're going to know this.
[00:15:46]  So, one of two things: either this was a staked out Murder on behalf of this alleged psychopath, or he knew the victims and was invited over or spent the night.
[00:16:01]  I certainly hope that this person, this survivor, Dylan Mortensen, is telling the truth.
[00:16:10]  I hope she's telling the truth because her lying could blow up this entire case.
[00:16:17]  Now, thankfully, with a quadruple homicide, with as much public pressure there is here and forensic evidence, if there's a mistrial, they're just going to retry it immediately, right?
[00:16:29]  The chance of this guy, if he did it, which looks like he did, will walk free, is very little to nothing, to almost no, to no way whatsoever.
[00:16:41]  Now, one of the things that really bothers me about this, this story, is, and I understand why they're doing this to a certain extent, but we're going to see how long this holds, is the family of Brian Koberger currently say, look, they promote his presumption of innocence.
[00:17:03]  Everyone gets the presumption of innocence.
[00:17:04]  It's going to have to be proven to 12 fellow citizens.
[00:17:10]  But they say that they are pledging to stay with him throughout the entire legal process to let the process unfold.
[00:17:18]  And as a family, we will love and support our son and brother.
[00:17:22]  We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions.
[00:17:32]  Yeah, that bothers me.
[00:17:34]  I'll be honest.
[00:17:35]  I don't look, I'm all in principle with standing with your children.
[00:17:40]  And I'm not saying we know that he did this.
[00:17:43]  We don't.
[00:17:44]  But the evidence seems pretty remarkable.
[00:17:50]  And I'm going to get written up for saying this, but if you just take one look at the guy, he, come on, not exactly someone that is immediately dismissive.
[00:18:00]  The eyes are the windows to the soul.
[00:18:01]  I said it the first time I saw a picture of this guy.
[00:18:04]  Doesn't exactly strike me as a stable person.
[00:18:06]  And by the way, the way he's acted in prison based on now verifiable reports, exposing himself and the outburst, again, not exactly stable.
[00:18:15]  And, you know, we got an email here from somebody where they said, Charlie, I would stand with my children no matter what.
[00:18:23]  And I understand the sentiment and the kind of driving perspective there, but really no matter what, it's this guy is one who flew over the cuckoo's nest.
[00:18:33]  It looks exactly like it.
[00:18:34]  I mean, it's like central casting Jack Nicholas.
[00:18:38]  Sometimes you could just look at somebody and say, yeah, that kind of fits.
[00:18:42]  I know that might sound unfair.
[00:18:45]  It might sound, I don't know what it sounds.
[00:18:51]  But I don't dismiss, let's put it that way, looking at a picture of him.
[00:18:57]  But anyway, his family says, and they've been saying the right things.
[00:19:01]  I don't want to be too harsh on them, but they say we care deeply for the four families who have lost their precious children.
[00:19:07]  There are no words that can adequately express the sadness we feel and pray for each, every one of them.
[00:19:11]  But they say that they're going to stand with their son throughout this entire process.
[00:19:16]  And maybe they are holding out hope that he is innocent.
[00:19:21]  He was a doctoral student in criminal justice and criminology from Washington State University, was known to make creepy and inappropriate comments to female employees and customers at a Pennsylvania brewery.
[00:19:32]  And so, but I hope their parents at some point will reconsider if it ends up being true that he did this.
[00:19:41]  You don't have to stand by your son or daughter if they kill four people.

=== Genesis and Objective Moral Order (02:30) ===

[00:19:47]  You don't.
[00:19:50]  That would be a big mistake.
[00:19:53]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:19:55]  I want to get to some questions here that I think will be very interesting.
[00:20:02]  Charlie, I've been starting to read the Bible with Erica's Bible in 365 ministry, by the way, you guys should all check it out.
[00:20:10]  Biblein365.com.
[00:20:12]  That's Biblein365.com.
[00:20:15]  I started in Genesis and I have lots of questions.
[00:20:21]  And it goes on to kind of talk about some of these questions.
[00:20:25]  What do you first make of Genesis 126 and 127?
[00:20:29]  I find this to be a profoundly important verse.
[00:20:31]  Yeah, let me talk a little bit about Genesis.
[00:20:33]  I love the book of Genesis.
[00:20:34]  I could do an entire shows on the book of Genesis.
[00:20:38]  Let's just start with the first verse.
[00:20:40]  It's a remarkable verse.
[00:20:43]  It changes everything.
[00:20:44]  If you believe Genesis 1-1, your politics, your happiness, your joy, your spirit improves dramatically.
[00:20:52]  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:20:55]  That's a big deal.
[00:20:58]  Genesis 1-1 is the game-changing verse.
[00:21:03]  In the Hebrew Bible, the word create is only ever used for God.
[00:21:08]  It is never used for man, ever.
[00:21:10]  The Hebrew word for create, that God created it out of ex nihilo.
[00:21:15]  And what does this mean?
[00:21:16]  It means that God preceded us.
[00:21:20]  It also means that nature is not God, that God created nature.
[00:21:24]  So these earth-worshiping environmentalist pagans, they reject in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:21:30]  If you go even deeper into Genesis 1-1, you realize that what they're stating is that our existence started at a specific moment, but God never started at a specific moment.
[00:21:47]  He always existed.
[00:21:49]  And in Genesis 1-1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:21:52]  We talked about existential despair.
[00:21:54]  If you believe in Genesis 1-1, you immediately have to acknowledge that your purpose has a reason, that this is not just a random bunch of cells, that there is an objective moral order, that you are here for a purpose.
[00:22:11]  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:22:13]  He did not create it because he was bored or because he wanted that fun.

=== Ten Commandments and the Heart (15:19) ===

[00:22:18]  By the way, those are fine reasons.
[00:22:19]  He's God.
[00:22:19]  He can do whatever he wants, but you are here for a purpose.
[00:22:24]  Genesis 1-1 changes everything.
[00:22:26]  It also shows that God is outside of time and of nature, which, by the way, Einstein's theory of relativity proved.
[00:22:34]  Now, Genesis 1.26 and 127 is probably the most important verse that applies to politics today.
[00:22:41]  And you might say, what is Genesis 1.26?
[00:22:43]  That's okay if you don't know.
[00:22:45]  Let us.
[00:22:47]  That's very interesting, right?
[00:22:48]  So God says it in the plural.
[00:22:50]  Let us create man in our image.
[00:22:53]  Now, what is the us?
[00:22:54]  Now, in Judaism, they have, rabbis will agree, they have difficulty explaining this, the let us.
[00:23:02]  In Christianity, we don't because we think it is a reference to the Trinity.
[00:23:05]  Let us, God in three parts, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
[00:23:09]  Now, the let us could be talking to animals.
[00:23:12]  It could be the royal we in kind of rabbi mystical tradition.
[00:23:17]  It could be God talking to the angels.
[00:23:20]  I'm a Christian, so I believe let us is a kind of a foreshadowing to the Trinity.
[00:23:26]  Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, that they may rule over the fish and the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock, and of all the wild animals, over all the creatures and move along the ground.
[00:23:37]  That's a big deal.
[00:23:39]  That means nature is there for you.
[00:23:42]  That you are not an animal.
[00:23:43]  That mankind is made in the image of the creator himself.
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[00:24:53]  In Genesis 1:27, so God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created him, male and female.
[00:24:58]  He created them.
[00:25:00]  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it.
[00:25:04]  It's the first command from God to man is to be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over the fish in the sea, over the fowl of the air, and over everything that has moved upon the earth.
[00:25:13]  It's interesting.
[00:25:14]  God created man first, and then he said, It is not good for man to be alone.
[00:25:18]  Boy, is there a lot of wisdom to that?
[00:25:19]  Look at all the damage that young men do if they are alone to society.
[00:25:24]  They do to themselves.
[00:25:25]  Most suicides in America are young men that young men do while joining terrorist groups that are unmarried and single, school shooters.
[00:25:37]  It is not good for man to be alone.
[00:25:39]  And boy, do we know that to be true.
[00:25:41]  It's interesting.
[00:25:42]  There's only one verse for the creation of man.
[00:25:45]  There are six verses for the creation of woman.
[00:25:50]  In fact, you have to read Genesis through a certain lens that it is a refutation of polytheism.
[00:25:58]  You see, there were all these pagan belief systems before the Bible, before the Torah, before God's chosen people, the Jews.
[00:26:06]  And the belief systems that were permeating most of the river civilizations were pagan.
[00:26:16]  And they did have some similar narratives, but they were very unique.
[00:26:19]  For example, people say, oh, there's a flood story in every single tradition.
[00:26:22]  Yeah, okay.
[00:26:23]  So you take the Gilgamesh flood story.
[00:26:25]  It's completely and totally different.
[00:26:27]  For example, in the biblical account of the flood story, when God said, let the flood be, he's unmoved by it.
[00:26:38]  In the Gilgamesh account, they can't believe the horror that they allowed to be unleashed on the earth.
[00:26:44]  There are completely different types of depictions of God.
[00:26:46]  One is polytheistic and has kind of a frenetic depiction of God, and the Jewish or the one in the Torah is one that is much more stable and sovereign.
[00:26:59]  But polytheism is a very dangerous belief.
[00:27:02]  It is.
[00:27:03]  For one simple, if you have many gods, then you have many moralities.
[00:27:07]  Everyone will do what is right in their own eyes.
[00:27:10]  Ethical monotheism, which is Christianity and Judaism, ethical monotheism is there is a singular morality.
[00:27:20]  Now, that's not to say that in every situation, there's always a very clear-cut situation between right and wrong, but without a belief in God, then you end up making your own morality.
[00:27:30]  So anyway, to answer your question, I think two of the most important Verses in Genesis are Genesis 1, 1 and Genesis 1, 26 and 127, and then Genesis 50, 20, for what you meant for evil, God will use for good.
[00:27:45]  That is a paraphrase.
[00:27:46]  That is not an exact word for a word.
[00:27:49]  But Genesis 1 through 11 was largely written for the people in the time, people of the time, to refute pagan polytheism, to show that there is a singular God that predates time.
[00:28:05]  It's a big deal.
[00:28:07]  Okay, let's get to some more questions here.
[00:28:09]  Email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:28:13]  That is freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:28:16]  Someone says, Charlie, I love this.
[00:28:17]  Preach on.
[00:28:18]  We need more of this.
[00:28:18]  How about one segment a day?
[00:28:20]  Yeah, I'd be happy to share my thoughts on the Bible.
[00:28:26]  If it's interesting, I don't know.
[00:28:27]  I think our ratings will plummet.
[00:28:29]  But if I do a little here and there, then so be it.
[00:28:33]  Charlie, good afternoon.
[00:28:34]  I've heard you talk about the Bible and God in your clips from conferences during breaks while listening live.
[00:28:38]  I've never heard you speak on these things live.
[00:28:40]  Well, you got to listen more.
[00:28:41]  As a new listener, starting the weeks leading up to 2021, I heard it's very refreshing to hear the word of God mixed into your commentary as a fellow Christian.
[00:28:48]  The mi-you, that's a fun word, of current events.
[00:28:50]  The word of God balanced all things and helps mentally, as you know.
[00:28:53]  Thanks for bringing the word today.
[00:28:54]  I don't expect to be a pastoral figure, but glad to hear your heart on this.
[00:28:58]  Yeah, look, I'm not a pastor.
[00:28:59]  I just, I love the Bible.
[00:29:01]  And even if you don't believe the Bible is the word of God, it is unmistakably a beautiful text.
[00:29:08]  And if you don't love beautiful things, then you're really misguided.
[00:29:12]  There is so much complexity.
[00:29:15]  There is so much to be discovered.
[00:29:17]  And just if you just study Genesis 1 through 11, it will be infinitely interesting.
[00:29:25]  The profundity, the fascination of it.
[00:29:28]  It makes Shakespeare seem like child's play.
[00:29:31]  And Shakespeare is probably the most beautiful, the most beautiful plays and works of art written in the English language.
[00:29:37]  So I encourage you to have an open mind and to learn as much as you can.
[00:29:40]  And we'll share the wisdom that we learn here.
[00:29:42]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:29:46]  Someone says, Charlie, I love the Bible lesson.
[00:29:48]  Are you starting to write a book about the Sabbath?
[00:29:50]  You know what?
[00:29:51]  I promised I would, and I've made no progress on it, except I have really heart, I've clarified my thoughts on a lot of this on the Sabbath.
[00:30:02]  And the more I think about it, and the more I actually practice the Sabbath, the more I recognize how beautiful and important it is and what a disservice it is to yourself and to your relationship with the Lord not to honor the Sabbath if you're a Christian.
[00:30:17]  So Shabbat, which is the proper term in Judaism, literally means in Hebrew, stopped or ceased.
[00:30:25]  So the Sabbath needs to be basically the ceasing of work, that it is God's ceasing of work.
[00:30:31]  The Sabbath is the most holy ritual in Judaism.
[00:30:36]  It is not the most holy day.
[00:30:38]  Yom Kippur, which Yom literally means time in Hebrew, is the most holy day, day of atonement, which I think is a beautiful tradition.
[00:30:50]  The Sabbath is the only ritual that is in the Ten Commandments.
[00:30:53]  Now, some Christians struggle with the Sabbath for good reason, because they will say it is the only one of the Ten Commandments that Jesus did not say that we were bound to.
[00:31:08]  That is correct.
[00:31:10]  However, he never said you should dishonor the Sabbath.
[00:31:14]  Now, if you believe Jesus is God, of which I do, I do believe in the divinity of Jesus, and you believe that God rested on the seventh day, therefore you believe that the Sabbath actually predated Jesus, all being God, one God in three parts.
[00:31:35]  Now, the argument for the Sabbath is very simple: six out of seven days you can work as hard as you want to, but one out of seven you must reflect and enjoy.
[00:31:46]  Now, the Sabbath, interestingly enough, is the only one of the Ten Commandments that, when repeated in the book of Deuteronomy, Moses changes the reason for it.
[00:31:59]  In the original reading of the Ten Commandments, so the Ten Commandments is mentioned twice in the Torah, Torah, which means teacher, by the way.
[00:32:06]  Torah, parent, and teacher are all the same word in biblical Hebrew, which is an interesting thing.
[00:32:12]  Parent literally means teacher in Biblical Hebrew.
[00:32:18]  So take your role seriously as a parent.
[00:32:21]  In Exodus, when God gives the Ten Commandments, the original reason why Moses says we should do this, transmitted from God, is that God rested, therefore we should rest.
[00:32:33]  But when he repeats the Ten Commandments in the book of Deuteronomy, he changes the reason.
[00:32:39]  He says, guys, you're not slaves anymore.
[00:32:43]  Therefore, why should you work every single day?
[00:32:46]  Same commandment, different reason.
[00:32:49]  Now, the rabbis go nuts trying to explain this.
[00:32:53]  They have their own interpretations, but I think it's very clear they weren't honoring the Sabbath.
[00:32:59]  It's very simple that between the first transmission of the Ten Commandments and the second repeating of it, that they were obviously still working all seven days.
[00:33:08]  And Moses needed to refine the argument a little bit, saying, guys, you're no longer slaves.
[00:33:15]  And the argument he was making is only slaves work seven days a week.
[00:33:18]  You deserve rest.
[00:33:21]  Now, look, if you work all the time, what Moses was saying is that you are no different than a slave.
[00:33:27]  There's no moral differentiation between you and a slave.
[00:33:30]  Keeping the Sabbath, at least the way I do it, and the way that I think most Orthodox Jews do it, and I know a lot of Christians that honor the Sabbath, it keeps the idea alive that God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:33:47]  When you honor the Sabbath in traditional Judaism, you do something called the kaddush, which is giving a testimony or an oath.
[00:33:56]  And you stand up when you do this, by the way, saying that God created the world.
[00:34:03]  Now, if you want to go even deeper in this and how fascinating this is, God made time holy.
[00:34:14]  Think about that.
[00:34:15]  We have holy places, we have holy foods, we have holy words, but God introduced the idea of making time holy.
[00:34:31]  God built a cathedral in time.
[00:34:36]  That's profound.
[00:34:38]  That God built a place of worship within our own time because God knew our nature.
[00:34:48]  And in some ways, it's interesting throughout Genesis, God is not exactly thrilled with our nature, tends to be rebellious.
[00:34:59]  When Noah gets off the ark, it's a great verse in Genesis 6.
[00:35:05]  I'm sure we could look it up.
[00:35:06]  Where God's like, look, your heart is broken from your youth.
[00:35:10]  And by the way, God didn't say that when he first created Adam.
[00:35:15]  But soon to be, it's not as if God learned it, but it was demonstrated.
[00:35:20]  Because God was, it actually says in the Bible, God was saddened by what Cain did.
[00:35:25]  God was saddened by what Adam did.
[00:35:27]  God was saddened as to what humanity did.
[00:35:30]  And he said, I'm going to find the one righteous man amongst this generation.
[00:35:33]  This Noah guy seems to have his act together.
[00:35:35]  Give him 120 years to build an ark and start over.
[00:35:41]  Here it is.
[00:35:41]  Thank you.
[00:35:42]  The Lord saw the great wickedness of the human race and had become on the earth.
[00:35:46]  And that every inclination of thoughts of human heart was only evil all the time.
[00:35:50]  Pause.
[00:35:51]  What is the big debate that happens on American universities?
[00:35:55]  That humans are basically good.
[00:35:58]  Christian or Jewish, Judeo-Christian beliefs have a belief that human beings are not basically good.
[00:36:11]  Again, every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil at the time.
[00:36:19]  The Lord regretted that he made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply troubled.
[00:36:25]  Now, if you really want to go deep, we could talk about original sin and Eve, who is just lied to by the serpent or Satan.
[00:36:38]  Can you get the Eve dialogue with the snake?
[00:36:40]  It's very interesting when you go through it.
[00:36:42]  As you can tell, I've been spending a lot of time in Genesis, really studying the commentaries and getting back to the original Hebrew.
[00:36:49]  It's infinitely nourishing.
[00:36:51]  And by the way, if you're looking for purpose in your life, go study something that's been around for a while and really study it.
[00:36:58]  Humble yourself.
[00:37:01]  Boy, do I need to do that in front of the scripture, in front of the text, and say, what is it trying to teach me here?
[00:37:07]  And boy, you learn and you derive that God created a cathedral in time.
[00:37:11]  Maybe you say, maybe what I'm doing is not as important as honoring the idea that God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:37:16]  That's a big deal.
[00:37:17]  Okay, so this is interesting because it kind of goes back to the original fall, which is God created us innocent in a state of innocence, almost like children when you think about it.
[00:37:27]  That's why they weren't ashamed of their nudity.
[00:37:29]  Children are not ashamed of their nudity.
[00:37:32]  And so the woman said to the serpent, this is so interesting.

=== The Original Fall Explained (07:19) ===

[00:37:37]  We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, you must not eat the fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden.
[00:37:43]  You must not touch it.
[00:37:44]  God never said you couldn't touch it.
[00:37:47]  So either Eve is misremembering or the woman.
[00:37:49]  The woman is not named Eve at the time.
[00:37:51]  It's just called the woman, which, by the way, is not a derogatory way of reading the text.
[00:37:56]  But God never said you couldn't touch it.
[00:37:58]  So that was a misrepresentation.
[00:38:00]  But then, of course, the serpent lied.
[00:38:02]  It's what Satan does.
[00:38:04]  Satan means prosecutor, by the way, in Hebrew.
[00:38:08]  For God knows that when you do eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil.
[00:38:17]  So that's just a complete lie.
[00:38:21]  That's what he does.
[00:38:22]  When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.
[00:38:31]  Little kind of small pet peeve of mine.
[00:38:33]  We don't know it was an apple.
[00:38:34]  People say it's an apple.
[00:38:35]  You're inferring.
[00:38:35]  We don't know.
[00:38:36]  We just know that it's fruit.
[00:38:37]  Anyway, she also gave some to her husband who was with her and he ate it.
[00:38:43]  Then both of their eyes were opened and they realized they were naked.
[00:38:47]  And so by eating the fruit, there was a conscious decision that we want to know it all even with pain.
[00:38:56]  We want to leave this state of innocence and comfort that God has designed for us.
[00:39:01]  We want free will.
[00:39:04]  So they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
[00:39:07]  One of my favorite script verses.
[00:39:09]  The man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden.
[00:39:14]  And this is the most, if you want an example of the most rhetorical question in the history of dialogue, because it's God, he knows the answer.
[00:39:22]  He says, Where are you?
[00:39:24]  And it gets very interesting.
[00:39:25]  He says, I heard you in the garden.
[00:39:27]  I was afraid I was naked.
[00:39:28]  So I hit.
[00:39:28]  And of course, God says, Who told you that you were naked?
[00:39:30]  Basically, they became self-aware.
[00:39:33]  Isn't that what happens when kids get older?
[00:39:37]  The man said, The woman put you here with me.
[00:39:41]  This is one of the great quotes in the entire Bible.
[00:39:44]  What does the man immediately do?
[00:39:45]  Blame his wife.
[00:39:47]  It's your fault, God.
[00:39:48]  You gave me the woman.
[00:39:51]  The woman you put me with, she gave me some fruit for the tree and I ate it.
[00:39:54]  Then the Lord God said to the woman, What is this you've done?
[00:39:58]  And of course, she blames the serpent, saying, He deceived me and I ate, which is true.
[00:40:02]  The serpent did deceive her.
[00:40:04]  So then the Lord God said to the serpent, Curse you above all animals, all widestock, you'll crawl on your belly, eat dusk, you'll eat enmity between you and the woman.
[00:40:13]  From that point forward, there was a decision that was made of, I want to leave this place of innocence.
[00:40:22]  I want to get to a place of choice, of knowledge of good and evil.
[00:40:28]  There's a lot more there that we can unpack.
[00:40:30]  Someone says, Charlie, in the beginning, God created Elohim, God in the plural sense, Bahra, created from non-existing material, the heavens and the earth.
[00:40:37]  That is correct.
[00:40:38]  He created it ex nihilo.
[00:40:40]  He created from non-existing material.
[00:40:42]  He created something.
[00:40:43]  Someone says here, Adam and Eve could not be ashamed of being nude, nude and nakedness are not the same thing as nakedness is unclothed and shameful state, where nude is being exposed without such shame as a baby or Adam and even the garden.
[00:40:54]  So they're unable to be naked until they sinned.
[00:40:56]  It's an interesting thought.
[00:40:58]  Charlie, what do you think is the most underappreciated verse in Genesis?
[00:41:03]  Underappreciated?
[00:41:04]  Genesis 5:1.
[00:41:06]  For example, if you say that the most important verse in the Bible is to love, well, first, love God, okay?
[00:41:13]  But let's say love your neighbor as yourself.
[00:41:15]  That is a traditional Old Testament belief.
[00:41:18]  Love your neighbor as yourself.
[00:41:20]  It's easier to love your neighbor as yourself if you understand you all come from the same genealogy.
[00:41:26]  And what does Genesis 5:1 say?
[00:41:28]  This is the genealogy of Noah.
[00:41:31]  Someone says here, now this is a very interesting thing.
[00:41:33]  Now, some Christians will consider this to be heretical.
[00:41:38]  No, I shouldn't say that, not heretical, but it's like you're not even allowed to say this.
[00:41:41]  It's a thought crime, but I'm going to say it anyway.
[00:41:43]  Elizabeth says on our Rumble feed, I would have totally eaten the fruit.
[00:41:49]  I think if we're honest with ourselves, I would too.
[00:41:54]  I think that if the have you ever disobeyed God before?
[00:41:59]  Yes, all of us have.
[00:42:02]  If you were presented with the option of a fruit that could make you knowledgeable of good and evil like God, that would be a very difficult temptation to resist.
[00:42:12]  And if you think it's easy, I hope you could teach me something about self-control and restraint and staying in a place of innocence.
[00:42:21]  It's not always talked about in Christian circles about how the deal is would be tough to refuse.
[00:42:29]  Not necessarily because of the serpent's framing, but of the framing of: do you want to really know the stakes of the game?
[00:42:39]  Or do you want to live in a place of blissful ignorance?
[00:42:44]  You do know that the phrase in English, ignorance is bliss, is derived from the state of nature that is depicted in the Garden of Eden.
[00:42:56]  Charlie, the Sabbath is Sabbath, Sabbath is not in the King James Version, but Sabbath is referenced twice as the Lord of the Sabbath, Rome, and James.
[00:43:05]  Jesus broke the Sabbath at all times on earth.
[00:43:08]  The letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life.
[00:43:11]  What do you think about this?
[00:43:11]  That is correct.
[00:43:12]  Jesus did break the Sabbath, but he's God, so he can do whatever he wants.
[00:43:17]  So if you look at it consistently, he created the Sabbath and honored the Sabbath when he created the earth, but he also dishonored it, not dishonored it, but he broke it when he was on earth.
[00:43:30]  Let me say this differently.
[00:43:31]  I don't think you're bound by the Sabbath.
[00:43:33]  I don't.
[00:43:34]  As a Christian, I'm not saying that.
[00:43:36]  But I don't think that we were, I don't think that as Christians, we were created for the Sabbath.
[00:43:43]  I think the Sabbath was created for us.
[00:43:46]  I can say this from personal experience of honoring the Sabbath.
[00:43:49]  It makes the other commandments easier.
[00:43:53]  And if those of you say, Charlie, I struggle with time management.
[00:43:58]  I'm sure a lot of you say that, Charlie, I do not have enough time.
[00:44:01]  Then you need to tithe your time to God.
[00:44:04]  A lot of Christians are very good at tithing their resources, but are we good at tithing our time?
[00:44:12]  That's a serious question.
[00:44:15]  Okay, we're getting a lot of questions about Genesis.
[00:44:17]  That's interesting.
[00:44:18]  I'll do my best to answer them.
[00:44:20]  Charlie, are you fluent in biblical Hebrew?
[00:44:22]  Not even close.
[00:44:23]  I know like 10 words and I forget them.
[00:44:25]  So not even close.
[00:44:26]  I do study them and I go to the original translation because I find it very interesting.
[00:44:30]  And I love, love reading the biblical commentaries on them.
[00:44:36]  They're fascinating.
[00:44:37]  Dennis Prager's Biblical Commentary, Rational Bible, is just terrific.
[00:44:40]  It really is.
[00:44:43]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:44:44]  Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:44:48]  Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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