The Charlie Kirk Show - Kevin’s Crucible with Lauren Boebert and Noel Fritsch
Aired: 2023-01-06
Duration: 34:55


=== Uniting The Republican Party (14:48) ===

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[00:01:23]  Okay, so someone says, Charlie, show some courage instead of supporting the swamp.
[00:01:27]  It's really rich saying I support the swamp.
[00:01:29]  That's hilarious.
[00:01:30]  The question should be, why don't McCarthy support move to another candidate like Byron Donalds?
[00:01:37]  What hold does McCarthy have over them?
[00:01:40]  Okay, I'm not saying I support this, but let me tell you how, let me just tell you the reality of how the House works.
[00:01:45]  Kevin, for the last decade, has been House Majority Leader.
[00:01:50]  Actually, I'm not sure.
[00:01:50]  He was whipped before.
[00:01:51]  He was in leadership.
[00:01:53]  And by doing that, you raise a lot of money and you travel the country.
[00:01:57]  So the way the process works is the House leadership raises a bunch of money and they dish out that money to support candidates in critical races.
[00:02:10]  And a lot of candidates struggle to raise the amount of money that is necessary to win.
[00:02:14]  And so then they rely on leadership to come in and to support them.
[00:02:17]  I don't love that system, but it's a reality, that system.
[00:02:20]  And so it's not even a matter of what does McCarthy have over them.
[00:02:25]  It's he's developed relationships with them for years and has been supporting them.
[00:02:32]  And by supporting them, he develops friendships and relationships in an expectation that they're going to support Kevin in leadership if he is to be speaker, if he's trying to become speaker of the house.
[00:02:47]  Lauren Bobert voted for Kevin of Oklahoma.
[00:02:50]  I don't even know what that means.
[00:02:52]  So maybe Kevin Stitt, the governor of Oklahoma.
[00:02:57]  It's not Kevin McCarthy.
[00:02:58]  I think she's trying to troll people by do that.
[00:03:01]  Who knows?
[00:03:02]  And Lauren's going to join us in a second.
[00:03:03]  So essentially, the way it works, again, I'm not a fan or supportive of it, but it's the way that the House is structured is that you need to raise every cycle anywhere between $250 to $300 million to just be competitive.
[00:03:16]  Pelosi raised about $400 to $500 million.
[00:03:19]  It's a lot of money.
[00:03:21]  And so then you dish out that money and just you distribute that money in districts via super PACs, direct contributions, leadership packs, all sorts of different ways.
[00:03:30]  And so there is a fear that if you do not have someone in leadership, who's going to be able to raise that money?
[00:03:38]  I don't buy into that fear.
[00:03:40]  Whoever is in leadership, they'll be able to go through and raise the necessary money to be able to do this and to be able to get towards victory.
[00:03:45]  But a lot of these people are not going to vote for anybody but Kevin because Kevin helped them when they were early in their career.
[00:03:53]  You take someone, for example, a Maria Elvira Salazar.
[00:03:57]  Maria Elvira Salazar is a congresswoman in Miami.
[00:04:01]  Kevin McCarthy came in in the 2020 election and spent millions of dollars in that district.
[00:04:07]  I think it was Donna Shalala that Maria Elvira Salazar beat.
[00:04:11]  Shalala was a Clintonite who was in a very comfortable Democrat seat.
[00:04:15]  Kevin McCarthy came in and raised millions of dollars and spent millions of dollars to help get Maria Elvira Salazar across the line.
[00:04:24]  Now, Elvira Salazar has been a moderate and a disappointment on a lot of different votes.
[00:04:28]  I know her, and I say this openly.
[00:04:30]  But you can't fault Elvira for then supporting Kevin, the person that spent the most amount of money that got her to be a congressperson.
[00:04:38]  Let's take another example: Burgess Owens, former football player, played for the Oakland Raiders.
[00:04:44]  I think he even won a Super Bowl.
[00:04:46]  He was in a very, very tight race in Utah, an extremely tight race for Mia Love's old seat.
[00:04:51]  Kevin McCarthy raised a bunch of money, came in, and supported Burgess Owens.
[00:04:56]  So Burgess Owens feels that he has a sense of obligation to Kevin McCarthy, who came in and spent millions of dollars.
[00:05:04]  Now, I could tell you who did not spend millions of dollars, the conservative MAGA base, which I'm part of, because we just didn't have that much money to do that, and it's just not what we do.
[00:05:12]  And so, some of these people that are very loyal to Kevin McCarthy, it's not because there's some sort of swamp dwelling deal.
[00:05:19]  I'm sure there's plenty of that, okay?
[00:05:21]  But some of it is as simple as young Kim, who has a seat in Orange County, where Kevin McCarthy came in a lot of money to help her get across the finish line.
[00:05:29]  And a lot of these people, like Nicole Malatakis, or Congressman Van Drew, or Santos, for example, they are in the more moderate districts and they need a lot of money to be able to get into office.
[00:05:45]  Love Andy Biggs, love Matt Gates, but they did not need as much resources to be successful.
[00:05:52]  Okay, now we have Congresswoman Lauren Bobert, who had a mostly peaceful interview with Sean Hannity last evening, and she's a great person and speaks at our turning point events.
[00:06:02]  I have a lot of respect for her.
[00:06:04]  Congresswoman, welcome to the program.
[00:06:06]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:07]  It's great to be on with y'all.
[00:06:09]  So, tell us what is the latest on the floor.
[00:06:11]  You just voted for Kevin from Oklahoma.
[00:06:15]  So, tell us about that.
[00:06:16]  Correct.
[00:06:17]  Yes, I do believe that Kevin Hearn is the true consensus candidate.
[00:06:21]  I've been getting asked many questions about who that person is that we're going to arrive on and actually begin having these real discussions rather than just proving that Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
[00:06:33]  I want to get to work.
[00:06:34]  The American people want us to get to work.
[00:06:36]  It's only been three days.
[00:06:38]  It's okay right now.
[00:06:40]  But we need to get a serious name in the mix that people can get behind.
[00:06:45]  And I do believe that that is Kevin Hearn from Oklahoma.
[00:06:49]  He was unanimously elected to the Republican Study Committee, 173 members.
[00:06:55]  It's the largest Republican caucus in the United States Congress.
[00:06:59]  He is a businessman from humble beginnings, has built an amazing life and is now serving his country.
[00:07:07]  It's an honor to serve with him.
[00:07:09]  And I believe that he would make a tremendous speaker of the house who could unite the Republican Party and get our country back on track, deliver the promises that we have made to the American people.
[00:07:23]  So, Lauren, is there any universe that you would then support Kevin?
[00:07:29]  Any concessions or any deal that could be struck?
[00:07:33]  Or are you in a no, Kevin?
[00:07:35]  And I think you need to make it clear that that's McCarthy at this point.
[00:07:40]  There is no universe where I support Kevin McCarthy.
[00:07:45]  There was a deal January 2nd.
[00:07:47]  We've been working for months, by the way.
[00:07:49]  This began in the summer.
[00:07:50]  We did not want this to come to the floor.
[00:07:52]  We wanted to handle this in private as adults, as members of Congress, to actually get together and work things out.
[00:07:59]  I have spent countless weeks away from my family developing rules and debating rules and procedures that empower individual members of Congress.
[00:08:12]  And in the summer, when these conversations began, Kevin McCarthy dismissed us because he raised $300 million and was expecting a massive red wave.
[00:08:24]  He did not need our votes.
[00:08:26]  When he saw that he failed to deliver that massive red wave, that's when he knew he needed to start listening to us.
[00:08:33]  But it was still very contentious.
[00:08:35]  It was very difficult to get very common sense items put into the rules package and moved forward.
[00:08:43]  And still, he fell short.
[00:08:45]  So January 2nd, myself, Matt Gates, Scott Kerry, we were able to get into a room of people who were never Kevin vote.
[00:08:55]  Matt Gates being one of them, there were five that said, there is nothing you can do to get me to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
[00:09:01]  And we were able to deliver 218 votes on ballot one and hand Kevin McCarthy the gavel if he accepted the term.
[00:09:12]  They were very common sense.
[00:09:13]  Bring a balanced budget to the floor.
[00:09:15]  Bring a term limits bill to the floor.
[00:09:17]  Bring the Texas Built Border Plan to the floor.
[00:09:20]  Allow members who are offering an amendment to reduce spending to have their amendment made in order so we can vote on it, vote on individual earmarks.
[00:09:31]  This is not anything that is outrageous or unreasonable or extreme.
[00:09:36]  We were laughed out of the room.
[00:09:38]  We were denied the deal.
[00:09:40]  And here we are.
[00:09:42]  He came out of that meeting and lied about those rules and trust is broken.
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[00:10:32]  So Lauren, when we talked at our event at AmericaFest, wasn't totally never Kevin.
[00:10:40]  Is something that happened this week that really broke the trust?
[00:10:43]  Am I reading that correctly?
[00:10:45]  Yes, you are.
[00:10:46]  So I've been working behind the scenes since the summer to unite the Republican Party, and I was doing so in good faith.
[00:10:54]  I had my own hard red line, which was denied up until maybe last night.
[00:11:02]  A messenger came to me and said Kevin's willing to move on single member motion to vacate to actually have a check and balance on the Speaker of the House.
[00:11:12]  And I haven't heard that from Kevin himself, but it wasn't just the fact that he turned down the deal where I delivered him 218 votes and the gavel on the first ballot.
[00:11:24]  It was more that he lied about the meeting that we had and said that we came in with a personal wish list that did not benefit the country.
[00:11:33]  He has apologized to one of us, three who were in that meeting in private.
[00:11:38]  And that member said, great, will you offer?
[00:11:42]  Yeah, so trust was broken.
[00:11:44]  We brought a deal to him January 2nd.
[00:11:47]  He lied about what was said in that meeting, said that we came and asked for a personal wish list.
[00:11:51]  And he has since apologized to one of us three in private.
[00:11:57]  And that member said, great, issue a public apology now.
[00:12:00]  And he said, I will not.
[00:12:02]  This man cannot be trusted.
[00:12:04]  He lies on a regular basis to our conference about us, about the deals that he's making and what he is working on and to the American people.
[00:12:15]  This is not a leader and certainly not the actions of a man that I want to support.
[00:12:21]  I will not be voting for Kevin McCarthy.
[00:12:24]  Trust is absolutely broken.
[00:12:26]  We need the tools in place to do our job correctly.
[00:12:29]  And we need leadership that is principled and who will deliver on the promises and not just say whatever they have to say for the political moment or to fundraise.
[00:12:40]  So I suppose, Lauren, the only question I have, and you're in the room, and so you can speak to this far better than I can, is that are any of the concessions, do you think that that has been meaningful?
[00:12:53]  Or is it just at the point where, look, I can't even take the concession seriously because there's no trust anymore?
[00:13:01]  Because when I hear things like we get representation on rules and motion to vacate and the CLF thing, that seems to be progress.
[00:13:14]  However, is your argument just, hey, we're done here regardless of how many concessions we get?
[00:13:21]  Well, there's many things in that.
[00:13:24]  As far as concession candidates, I believe that I just offered up the true concession candidate, Kevin Hearn of Oklahoma, the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, who is unanimously elected as chairman by 173 members.
[00:13:37]  This is someone who can actually unite the Republican Party.
[00:13:41]  You know, we have been offering a menu of names for people to join us with.
[00:13:49]  We have growing opposition against Kevin McCarthy.
[00:13:53]  There are members who even are in leadership, who I will not name, who are coming to us and saying there's not a single person in my district who wants me to continue to vote for Kevin McCarthy.
[00:14:04]  They are getting voter fatigue.
[00:14:06]  They are hearing from their constituents and from the nation that they do not want Kevin McCarthy to be speaker.
[00:14:13]  They see the corruption and the fraud that comes from him.
[00:14:17]  They see that he is part of the problem, part of the swamp.
[00:14:20]  And he's been in leadership for 14 years here, Charlie.
[00:14:23]  What has he delivered on other than raising $300 million for a massive red wave that didn't produce?
[00:14:30]  So there are 100 people allegedly, let's say it's 50 that say they're only going to vote for Kevin.
[00:14:36]  And some of that is believable because some people received a lot of support in their district.
[00:14:40]  If they're not going to move and you guys aren't going to move, I mean, but your guess is that they're going to move to Kevin from Oklahoma.

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[00:14:48]  Is that right?
[00:14:48]  Is that your calculation that Kevin's going to be talking to my colleagues about, yes, I'm going to be talking to my colleagues about this aggressively and whipping votes for Kevin Hearn?
[00:15:03]  This is vital.
[00:15:04]  We are not budging.
[00:15:05]  Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
[00:15:07]  He should withdraw his name from the candidacy for speaker and allow us to move forward with a true concession candidate.
[00:15:17]  Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes.
[00:15:20]  It doesn't even matter if I change my vote, Charlie.
[00:15:23]  He does not have the vote.
[00:15:25]  So, yeah, it seems as if, at least the whispers I'm hearing, that some of the offers made by the McCarthy camp might have moved, I don't know, 10 people, but there's probably what, including you, six or seven holdouts.
[00:15:38]  And that is correct.
[00:15:39]  That means that.
[00:15:40]  I don't know how.
[00:15:41]  Go ahead.
[00:15:42]  I don't believe that that is accurate.
[00:15:45]  And if there is anybody who switches, there are still people who have said, he has betrayed me.
[00:15:51]  He has betrayed my friends.
[00:15:53]  He has lied.
[00:15:54]  He is untrustworthy.
[00:15:56]  I will not vote for Kevin McCarthy.
[00:15:58]  Look, Charlie, we want to get to work.
[00:15:59]  We want to do the things that we promised for the American people.
[00:16:03]  We're trying to get there.
[00:16:04]  They need to realize what life after Kevin is going to look like and hurry up and get there.
[00:16:11]  Lauren Bobert, any closing thoughts?
[00:16:12]  30 seconds remaining?
[00:16:14]  I just want everyone to know that this is not chaos.
[00:16:18]  It looks messy, but this is a constitutional republic working.
[00:16:22]  This is what our founding fathers intended.
[00:16:24]  We are to debate and cast our votes, not anoint a king and a kingdom.
[00:16:29]  This is beautiful.
[00:16:31]  We have all of the members of Congress gathered together actually debating.
[00:16:34]  I haven't seen that as a member of Congress yet.
[00:16:37]  And this is a beautiful thing.
[00:16:39]  We are going to get this right and we are going to deliver on the promises we made.
[00:16:43]  Lauren, thank you so much.
[00:16:44]  Appreciate you making the time.
[00:16:45]  We will be watching.
[00:16:46]  Thank you.
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=== Writing Important Rules (07:00) ===

[00:17:57]  So Noel for weeks has been saying, Charlie, it's not about Kevin.
[00:18:02]  It's about the rule.
[00:18:03]  It's about the rule.
[00:18:04]  It's about serious changes.
[00:18:07]  And Noel helps run National File, great website, nationalfile.com.
[00:18:12]  And Noel has been saying, hey, we need to depersonalize this.
[00:18:15]  And it's about concessions, about the rule.
[00:18:18]  And you've been supportive of these, you know, 20 people that have been holding out.
[00:18:22]  Now, Noel, you and I were texting last night.
[00:18:25]  Are we seeing some movement on the rule, the personality side?
[00:18:28]  Because we just had Lauren Bobert, and her argument was very personality.
[00:18:31]  I don't like Kevin.
[00:18:32]  He's a liar.
[00:18:34]  He's not the person for us.
[00:18:36]  You have a perspective on actually what could make Congress work better for the American people.
[00:18:41]  The floor is yours, Noel.
[00:18:43]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:18:44]  Appreciate you having me.
[00:18:45]  You're doing great work.
[00:18:45]  You're one of the first guys out there really platforming some of the folks like Matt Gates and Lauren Bobert famously not too many weeks ago when they were talking about this ball back in mid-December.
[00:18:57]  I happen to agree with Ms. Bobert on the personality.
[00:19:02]  And that might be a part of the whole thing.
[00:19:04]  However, this really needs to go back to the rules.
[00:19:09]  They need to go back to regular order.
[00:19:10]  That's what this should really all be about.
[00:19:12]  Now, that said, realistically, Kevin does have a trust problem.
[00:19:17]  And I think that that's what was reflected with what you heard from Ms. Bobert, who is a champion, by the way.
[00:19:23]  And so with that trust problem, Kevin has to do some real groundwork in fixing all of those issues.
[00:19:31]  You're going back more than a decade for some of those historians who have been around.
[00:19:37]  This party crackup started back in 11 and 12 with some government shutdowns, with the Republican Study Committee breaking up.
[00:19:44]  Um, there has been a really like almost like a hot war inside of the Republican Party between guys like you know, Boehner and their leadership funds and Paul Ryan and Canter, who was taken out by Brant.
[00:19:56]  Yep, exactly.
[00:19:57]  It's been going on for a decade, Charlie.
[00:19:59]  And that reflects in that second group of seven legislators led by Mr. Perry.
[00:20:05]  And I think Mr. Bishop was on that second letter.
[00:20:07]  A couple of others, new guys, Ogles and Crane.
[00:20:10]  And so, yeah, there are multiple different facets to this whole negotiation.
[00:20:15]  But at core, Kevin McCarthy has trust issues and problems and is a deficit.
[00:20:20]  There's a huge trust gap on behalf of the conservative wing of the party.
[00:20:24]  And it's not just the 20.
[00:20:25]  It's really important to note that there's way more folks that are just sub-Rasa.
[00:20:31]  They're right there.
[00:20:33]  And if something breaks the right way, you could see a lot or the wrong way for Kevin.
[00:20:37]  You could see a lot more votes against Kevin if he doesn't get serious about putting these concessions on paper.
[00:20:45]  And he can't use Manu Raju to do the negotiation anymore.
[00:20:49]  CNN, NBC, those aren't the guys that should be negotiating with these leaders like Chip Roy and Mr. Perry and Gosar and Good and Bishop and all the rest.
[00:20:59]  This should be the guys in a room at a table getting it done.
[00:21:05]  So let's pretend for a second, because I think this will illustrate a point I'm trying to make.
[00:21:11]  Let's pretend that McCarthy's trust is not a variable and just person X, let's say Jim Jordan, was the person that we trust, okay?
[00:21:20]  And said, here are the concessions.
[00:21:22]  How significant are these concessions, Noel?
[00:21:27]  He has got to put them in writing.
[00:21:30]  Let's pretend they're in writing.
[00:21:32]  How significant are they?
[00:21:33]  Is it little?
[00:21:33]  Is it super significant?
[00:21:34]  Okay.
[00:21:35]  And it gets done.
[00:21:36]  If what we're hearing is true, we're seeing guys like Rob Costa and Mr. Scott Wong from NBC tweeting out there about, I guess, Kevin has made the concession to come down to the one-member filing of the motion to vacate the chair.
[00:21:52]  If that's true, it's hard to know if it's true because we're talking about NBC and CNN here.
[00:21:56]  And I don't know who leaked that to them.
[00:22:00]  And that's the whole problem with the trust gap there, Charlie.
[00:22:02]  Right?
[00:22:02]  That's why I look, Kevin's got to go public.
[00:22:06]  He's got to stand up.
[00:22:07]  He's got to put his word behind these commitments.
[00:22:11]  And so, can you just walk our audience through what are some of these commitments?
[00:22:14]  Because some of this gets wonky, but it's super important.
[00:22:17]  This is something you, to your credit, have been so focused on.
[00:22:19]  You've been texting me, the rule, the rule, the rule.
[00:22:22]  And now you're saying, like, hey, there's some movement: regular order, no more omnibus, single-issue votes, right?
[00:22:28]  Rules committee steering committee.
[00:22:30]  So just walk our audience through.
[00:22:31]  Some of this is really wonky, but take as much time as you need.
[00:22:34]  You've got a lot of them right there.
[00:22:36]  And those are the big ones.
[00:22:38]  Another one that I would add to that list is the 72-hour time period to read these bills famously for a decade at least.
[00:22:45]  They always do this legislation by crisis.
[00:22:47]  They'll come right up to the deadline and then they'll drop three or four thousand pages on you and say, hey, pass it.
[00:22:52]  And it's got, you know, welfare and it's got Department of Defense and it's got Ag.
[00:22:57]  And basically what they're doing there is they're saying, hey, nice political career you got there.
[00:23:01]  It would be a shame if something happened to it.
[00:23:03]  Because what they the implication is it's a racket.
[00:23:06]  It's a mob scene, Charlie.
[00:23:08]  That's really what it is.
[00:23:09]  They're coming around to you and saying, we will end your career if you don't vote yes for this and give us our money.
[00:23:15]  Give us our money, the taxpayer dollars.
[00:23:19]  And so that's why these rules are so vital.
[00:23:23]  And so that's a really just a quick vignette to sort of explain.
[00:23:27]  Like you said, single issue bills, no more of these omnibus things.
[00:23:32]  All of that goes away if these rules get fixed.
[00:23:34]  And then we can actually maybe fix a lot of the country.
[00:23:38]  So, if McCarthy puts this in writing, I suppose it really, at some points, it does have to be in trust, right?
[00:23:44]  Because it can't be a contract, I guess.
[00:23:45]  But I suppose that's why the one vote motion to vacate is so important, right?
[00:23:51]  Because then what they'll do is they'll take it.
[00:23:54]  So, a lot of this will go to the steering committee, and there's a process by which all this gets rolled out here in the parliament, right?
[00:24:02]  And they'll hash it all out with these parliamentary procedures.
[00:24:07]  And there will be a rules package, and it'll be public or should be and then agreed upon, okay?
[00:24:13]  And so, that's that's why I know some folks are saying, hey, he's got to start to demonstrate some trust.
[00:24:20]  And the funny thing is, is there's a lot of leadership folks that are actually reaching out to a lot of the conservative side, media, you know, members' offices and saying, Hey, guys, please come to the negotiating table.
[00:24:31]  Look, these issues have been a topic of discussion that the House Freedom Caucus has made public since going back to like August and September.
[00:24:41]  There's a five-page memorandum that has all of this stuff in it.
[00:24:45]  You can go read it at nationalphile.com.
[00:24:47]  Charlie, I'll shoot it over to you so you guys can maybe talk about it some more and folks can read about what it is that these very reasonable requests that these Freedom Caucus members and conservatives are asking for.

=== Earning Democratic Trust (09:57) ===

[00:24:57]  And again, it's not just 20, there are many, many more who want this done, but they fear retribution from Kevin.
[00:25:03]  And again, going back to that trust gap issue that Kevin has, he's got to stop spanking people for asking for very common sense rules.
[00:25:12]  And so, yeah, how, I mean, if you were to say, how do you bridge a trust gap in this kind of high-pressure situation with a decade of memories and experiences to navigate?
[00:25:27]  Kevin has a lot of work to do, my friend.
[00:25:30]  He has a lot of work to do to fill that trust gap.
[00:25:33]  And so, again, leaking stuff to Manu Raju or Mr. Wong at NBC or Zenona at CNN or whoever else, that's not going to cut it for the negotiation.
[00:25:44]  I think he has to get really look, it's going to have to eat some humble pie.
[00:25:48]  Kevin has, look, Boehner, Paul Ryan, they never would have brought a vote like this.
[00:25:53]  He's starting off on a horrible foot, and it's all of his own doing.
[00:25:57]  Okay.
[00:25:57]  He's what is the job?
[00:25:59]  The job of speaker of the house.
[00:26:00]  And he has to count to 218 and 220 and 222 to pass legislation, right?
[00:26:06]  Well, he's failed his first test, has he not?
[00:26:09]  And so, do you think that Paul Ryan or John Boehner ever would have made these sort of concessions?
[00:26:18]  They were operating under a lot of these rules.
[00:26:22]  Got it.
[00:26:22]  So, this is a restoration.
[00:26:24]  Got it.
[00:26:25]  Okay.
[00:26:25]  So, some of this is actually just getting us back to zero.
[00:26:29]  Exactly.
[00:26:30]  Exactly.
[00:26:30]  That's what under no circumstances should a GOP-led House conference be borrowing from Nancy Pelosi's regime of rules to run the House.
[00:26:41]  I mean, that's in effect what's going on here.
[00:26:43]  You have a roll call vote now.
[00:26:45]  We're on this eighth one, and we're going to go to the ninth today, maybe.
[00:26:48]  I lose track, man.
[00:26:50]  Eight and nine times, these Republican representatives, Republican congressmen, are voting yes.
[00:26:57]  They're saying, Yes, put me down for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
[00:27:01]  It's unacceptable.
[00:27:02]  They've got to stop it.
[00:27:03]  And you want to know how they can fix it?
[00:27:05]  All of those members in Texas, there's tons of them in Texas, okay?
[00:27:09]  And Chip Roy is leading the fight with Cloud down there in Texas, but there's Ronnie Jackson has to go to Kevin and say, Kevin, you got to give in on these rules.
[00:27:18]  You got to get serious about closing the trust gap, okay?
[00:27:21]  Trent Kelly in Mississippi, Mississippi, all of the Republicans there are voting for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
[00:27:26]  Republicans in the state of Mississippi voting for Nancy Pelosi's House rules.
[00:27:30]  Same goes for Jerry Carl in Alabama.
[00:27:32]  Same, all of these guys.
[00:27:34]  They've got to go tell Kevin, hey, drop Nancy Pelosi's house rules, close the trust cap.
[00:27:38]  Let's get this done.
[00:27:39]  How significant is the Congressional Leadership Fund agreeing with Club for Growth not to participate in open safe primaries?
[00:27:47]  If you can trust it, Noel, I can, I bet you're like, but let's pretend it happens.
[00:27:52]  Is that a big deal?
[00:27:54]  I'm going to tell you why it's not a big deal because it's just one instrument that it really is.
[00:28:03]  They can move money through any number of instruments.
[00:28:05]  There are dozens and dozens.
[00:28:07]  There are tentacles, spider webs.
[00:28:09]  So instead of the Congressional Leadership Fund, it could be Restore America PAC or whatever, right?
[00:28:15]  Or how about it could be one of the FTX funds that Kevin used to spend $30 or $40 million against conservatives to kill all of the MAGA candidates and turn the big red wave into this tiny little pink trickle.
[00:28:28]  So, Noel, in closing here, before we go to a break and we kind of go back to this whole thing, never is a big term.
[00:28:35]  Lauren Bobert used the word never.
[00:28:37]  Do you think that is a wise thing for the caucus to say, considering some of the momentum towards what you consider to be meaningful concessions?
[00:28:50]  I think that she's taking a hard stance in negotiating.
[00:28:54]  And I think that for some people in the House conservative, the conservative wing of the House conference, that's a wise move for them to make.
[00:29:01]  Kevin has, he's still got a lot of work to do.
[00:29:04]  And I think that's, when you hear that word never from a Boebert or somebody else like a good or some of the hardliners who are doing great work, when you hear that word, what you need to hear is the trust gap has not been filled yet.
[00:29:17]  Kevin needs to earn our trust.
[00:29:19]  Yeah.
[00:29:19]  And this would definitely not fill the trust gap, but it's a possibility, just so everyone understands.
[00:29:24]  A possibility is one of two things: coalition government, which doesn't look likely, but what could happen quickly is the moderates get in Kevin's ear and they're like, dude, go find 10 Democrats and end this thing.
[00:29:35]  That's a reality.
[00:29:37]  And the moderates, they're not going to sit through this forever.
[00:29:42]  Okay.
[00:29:43]  A lot of these people are not movement conservatives.
[00:29:45]  I'm not trying to fearmonger, but I could see, I could see either Crenshaw or Van Drew or Malatakis going to Kevin and say, I could get this deal done, Kevin.
[00:29:54]  Noel, it is a possibility that Kevin and/or a moderate brigade, they just say, you know what, we're going to go make a deal with 10 Democrats.
[00:30:04]  Walk us through that.
[00:30:05]  Well, first thing I would say is the fact that that's even a conversation piece is really concerning.
[00:30:12]  And that should tell us everything we need to know about Kevin McCarthy first.
[00:30:15]  Second, there's a couple of different striations, I think, in there about what might potentially happen.
[00:30:21]  Rather than seeing the guys like Crenshaw and then Mark Levin, who doesn't know what Article 1, Section 2 of the Constitution is, which is proportional representation, rather than talking about 10 Democrats flipping and going off the back end or 20 maybe to get the majority for some sort of coalition pick like a Liz Cheney or I don't know who else they might pick.
[00:30:47]  The guy from Illinois, Kensinger or whatever.
[00:30:51]  Rather than something like that, what would be more likely, Charlie, the way that this deliberative body works is you would have a lot of like backroom horse trading around committee assignments and committee ratios and things like that.
[00:31:05]  And then what you would see, I think, before you would see Republicans actually join in and go enable, vote with 212 Democrats, okay, thereby ending their career and maybe shifting a kicking off like some sort of watershed moment where we see the Republican Party totally implode.
[00:31:23]  I think you would see some of those Democrats maybe just voting president, president or abstaining to lower the threshold number from 218 down to 215 or 217.
[00:31:33]  But I don't think they're anywhere near that ballpark because of these numbers.
[00:31:37]  Okay, so in my opinion, I believe that whole narrative because of what I've just explained is totally horse squeeze and bogus.
[00:31:46]  And those guys pushing that stuff is total fear.
[00:31:49]  I know you're not doing that fear-mongering.
[00:31:50]  You're very measured, Charlie, and that's very much appreciated.
[00:31:54]  But those other guys are off their rockers.
[00:31:56]  Yeah, and I'm trying here.
[00:31:58]  And I do have, and I've a voice with my audience, after being burned in Arizona, after huge expectations, a lower risk threshold than other people have, than you have.
[00:32:12]  And right now, the strategy, like, hey, let's get more concessions, it's working, right?
[00:32:18]  And, but you know, Alinsky's rules for radicals, which is a tactic that goes along too long becomes a drag, right?
[00:32:25]  So there's a point of potential diminishing return.
[00:32:28]  So map this out for us, Noel.
[00:32:30]  What is the best case scenario for how you think this all ends up?
[00:32:35]  Okay, so from what I understand and national file, we've been down here all week on the ground, knocking on doors, talking to members, good, you know, on the conservative side and on the sort of leadership side.
[00:32:49]  And what we're hearing is that, look, this is a stalemate for right now.
[00:32:55]  Kevin's going to have to make a ton of concessions publicly.
[00:33:00]  He's going to have to close that trust gap.
[00:33:03]  I think you're going to see them take a day off probably tomorrow for January 6th.
[00:33:08]  It's funny, they don't get to fly home and enjoy their weekend or go to the Caribbean or wherever they go during January or February on their weekends.
[00:33:15]  But I think they're going to be here voting potentially Saturday, maybe Sunday.
[00:33:19]  I don't know.
[00:33:20]  And I think that's a pain point for some of these folks.
[00:33:24]  And you'll start to see the negotiations speed up.
[00:33:27]  I think you'll start to see some progress being made on those negotiations.
[00:33:32]  Hopefully, we can get real leadership out of Kevin and out of his office and his leadership team and Steve Scalise and those guys.
[00:33:40]  And they can make some really strong commitments.
[00:33:44]  And hopefully they will be taken at their word.
[00:33:46]  And then we can get to the business of the people.
[00:33:49]  And look, Kevin, Kevin really has a tough go here.
[00:33:53]  No matter what, he's going to have a very thin majority.
[00:33:56]  And look, he wants to be speaker.
[00:33:58]  So I'm just, I laugh.
[00:34:01]  You really want to be speaker after this to go deal with the debt limit and to go deal with Ukraine and deal.
[00:34:05]  I mean, man, you're sure you're not going to be able to do that.
[00:34:08]  That's going to be a very short-lived gig if he doesn't walk that tightrope very, very effectively.
[00:34:14]  And from what we're seeing right now, his vote counting skills aren't looking the best.
[00:34:19]  I don't know who wants to be speaker after all of that, man.
[00:34:22]  And that's, I want the Republican majority to be the most conservative Congress we can get for real oversight, real results, and to slow down a lot of the spending.
[00:34:33]  I know we won't be able to stop it, but we'll see what happens, Noel.
[00:34:36]  Thanks so much.
[00:34:37]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:34:38]  Appreciate it.
[00:34:39]  They are on their eighth round of votes.
[00:34:41]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:34:43]  Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:34:45]  Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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