The Charlie Kirk Show - The “Obsolete” GOP Election Model with Newt Gingrich and Kash Patel
Aired: 2022-11-22
Duration: 36:08


=== Elections Become Machine Wars (14:24) ===

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[00:01:42]  Joining us now is one of the smartest people in the country to help us unpack what happened on 11-8, the midterms, almost two weeks ago.
[00:01:51]  It feels like it was two months ago.
[00:01:52]  It's been a long, long couple weeks as we unpack all of this, is the great Newt Gingrich.
[00:01:58]  Mr. Speaker, welcome back to the program.
[00:02:00]  It's good to be with you.
[00:02:01]  I'm not sure about great, but it's still good to be with you, Charlie.
[00:02:05]  Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker.
[00:02:06]  So obviously, we're going to win back the House of Representatives, which is a positive.
[00:02:09]  Ron DeSantis won by double digits, and we won in Georgia and Texas.
[00:02:14]  But I know you will agree that it was a little bit underwhelming in certain parts of the country.
[00:02:18]  You look at Fetterman, you look at some of these people that are going to be senators, remarkably beatable.
[00:02:24]  What happened and what went wrong?
[00:02:27]  Well, I think, first of all, and this is a tough thing to say, but I think the Republican policies, or I should say, the principles that the campaign consultants use are just wrong.
[00:02:39]  Let me give you an example.
[00:02:40]  A number of our candidates came out of the primaries virtually broke, and for two or three months, they weren't spending any money.
[00:02:47]  Meanwhile, the Democrats were identifying and defining our candidates, and the number of them never quite recovered.
[00:02:54]  In some cases, and here I think Mitch McConnell was a major problem.
[00:02:59]  He had a huge super PAC, but it believed in spending money late.
[00:03:03]  Well, the problem with that is in a lot of states now, people vote so early that if you aren't shaping the election in August and September, you're really missing the whole first wave of voting.
[00:03:15]  So that was a piece of it.
[00:03:16]  The other problem is that McConnell in particular does not believe in having any kind of serious issues to create an agenda.
[00:03:27]  I really liked what Kevin McCarthy did.
[00:03:29]  I think if he had a mistake, it was not doing more of it.
[00:03:32]  But his commitment to America was real.
[00:03:34]  It's positive.
[00:03:36]  You're going to see it play out in the House.
[00:03:38]  And I think that probably they should have spent more time and money communicating it as we did with the contract back in 94.
[00:03:46]  But the basic direction was right.
[00:03:48]  In the Senate, however, you have a Senate leader who explicitly does not believe you should have an agenda, wants to run essentially negative campaigns.
[00:03:57]  And in the long run, I think there were a lot of people who said, okay, I'm not happy with the Democrats, but I want to know what the Republicans are going to do for me.
[00:04:06]  And unfortunately, what we found was that we couldn't get them to say in a positive way exactly what they do.
[00:04:13]  So those are the biggest factors, I think.
[00:04:16]  I should point out, by the way, Charlie, almost all the early analysis was wrong.
[00:04:21]  We actually got, I think, 5.3 million more votes than the Democrats for the House.
[00:04:28]  We actually did dramatically better with women than we did in 2018.
[00:04:33]  So all the analysis about abortion has to be looked at again.
[00:04:37]  We significantly increased our vote with black males, and we significantly increased our vote with Latinos.
[00:04:44]  And we did amazingly well with Asian Americans who are really, really worried about crime.
[00:04:50]  So I think there's a lot of the early analysis and the sort of glib commentating that just isn't accurate.
[00:04:59]  We are set up for, I think, a very wild period in the House.
[00:05:04]  Kevin McCarthy, who I believe in as Speaker, is going to have a small group on the right that are going to be raising cane all the time.
[00:05:12]  And it's going to be challenging for him.
[00:05:14]  In the Senate, I'm very supportive of Herschel Walker.
[00:05:18]  The difference between winning the 50th Senate seat and being at 49 is enormous.
[00:05:25]  At 50, you're power sharing.
[00:05:27]  At 49, you're in a minority.
[00:05:28]  And under Senate rules, the difference in those two is enormous.
[00:05:33]  That's very important.
[00:05:34]  And I'll be honest, Newt, a lot of people on the right, myself included, we're still kind of digging ourselves out of the midterm hole, but we have this very important runoff in Georgia.
[00:05:43]  Can you elaborate on that a little bit?
[00:05:45]  Because I think that needs to be communicated to our audience because people say, oh, well, we're not going to control the Senate.
[00:05:51]  It doesn't really matter.
[00:05:52]  52 versus 50.
[00:05:53]  It matters enormously.
[00:05:54]  If you are at 50-50, then the Republicans have equal strength in all the committees.
[00:06:00]  You can block an amazing number of things.
[00:06:03]  You can stop the Democrats from passing a variety of things because while Kamala Harris, the vice president, gives them the 51st vote, it doesn't really let them maneuver in ways they'd like to.
[00:06:15]  If you're at 49, then the Democrats openly control all the committees.
[00:06:20]  They set all the agendas.
[00:06:22]  They decide who is going to be brought up for a vote, for example, among Biden's various nominees for executive branch office or for judges.
[00:06:32]  So there's a very, very big difference.
[00:06:34]  And I think the other thing I would just say personally, because I know Herschel and I really admire him, I think that Herschel Walker has the courage, the integrity to be a really remarkable U.S. Senator.
[00:06:46]  And I think having an African-American with his background, somebody who's good at business, somebody who's given over 400 speeches on military bases to help young people dealing with PTSD because of his own experience with having had concussions playing football and in mixed martial arts.
[00:07:06]  I think Herschel would be such a dramatic improvement over Senator Warnock, who is a hardline left-wing politician, that I really do think that it's worth a lot of effort to make sure Herschel wins.
[00:07:20]  And I'm delighted that Governor Kemp is going out and his team is going out and they're doing all they can to help elect Herschel.
[00:07:28]  Yeah, and I hope that there is more of a team mentality versus the runoffs that happened two years ago.
[00:07:33]  Two years ago just felt so fractured and just kind of like a side issue.
[00:07:37]  So, but Mr. Speaker, I want to ask you, you know, going into the midterm elections, you know, I was talking about a realignment election.
[00:07:45]  I know Victor Davis Hansen was.
[00:07:47]  I know you mentioned that as well.
[00:07:48]  Me too.
[00:07:49]  Me too.
[00:07:50]  Yeah, but I just, I'm trying to figure out how, what did we miss in the sense of the independence, right?
[00:07:56]  Because I think that's the one demographic that just didn't quite get there.
[00:08:00]  Is it mostly the McConnell thing, or was there something else hidden?
[00:08:04]  Well, I think there were two other things, one of which I would never quite have imagined.
[00:08:10]  I think there's a one was that they managed to define Republicans, partly based on Trump, partly based just on the sheer rhetoric of that we're the extremist, et cetera.
[00:08:21]  So I think for a lot of people, they created a barrier to voting for us.
[00:08:25]  Although, as I pointed out, we did in fact get far more total votes than the Democrats did.
[00:08:32]  The second thing I think was people, people, and this really surprised me, Charlie, people saw Biden as so weak and so cognitively challenged that they didn't quite blame him.
[00:08:47]  They didn't like his policies.
[00:08:49]  They weren't happy with him.
[00:08:51]  But you didn't have the kind of blame you would have had if he'd been a younger, stronger person.
[00:08:56]  And so, in a funny kind of way, it was kind of like, you know, as somebody once said, the uncle in the closet or the uncle hidden in the attic.
[00:09:06]  They were willing to give him the benefit of a doubt.
[00:09:09]  And frankly, I think that turned out to be the case with Fetterman.
[00:09:12]  I think there was a significant group of people in Pennsylvania who felt sorry for him.
[00:09:18]  And rather than seeing his stroke as having made it impossible for him to serve as a senator, they kind of felt like they didn't want to pile on and make his life even worse.
[00:09:29]  Yeah, in a very strange way, there was definitely a sympathy of vote.
[00:09:32]  But because, I mean, you look at Fetterman, you look at Biden, they're so incapable of talking.
[00:09:37]  It's as if people, swing voters, were not able to hold them accountable or put any responsibility on them of anything that they might do.
[00:09:47]  I just, Mr. Speaker, I got to be honest, we'll talk about this after the break.
[00:09:49]  It's so hard for me to believe that John Fetterman won by the margin he won in Pennsylvania.
[00:09:55]  I'm not saying that, you know, it's just so hard for me to understand that.
[00:10:00]  And the thing I want to talk, Mr. Speaker, about, you know, after the break is how elections have changed into almost who has the better machine.
[00:10:10]  And this really was the Obama vision because it just looks as if now it's about early voting and ballot harvesting and this Act Blue juggernaut they have of raising.
[00:10:21]  I mean, Democrats raised $800 million more dollars just on Act Blue versus Win Red.
[00:10:28]  $800 million.
[00:10:30]  And that doesn't count all their dark money.
[00:10:32]  That doesn't count all their left-wing super PACs or any of that.
[00:10:36]  Mr. Speaker, can you speak a little bit to the fact that it seems as if Democrats were less worried about engaging in debates like Katie Hobbes or Fetterman, but they're more interested in chasing ballots than actually convincing voters?
[00:10:50]  Is it time for us to change the way we think about elections as well?
[00:10:54]  Yeah, look, I think the Republican doctrine for elections is just wrong.
[00:10:59]  It's obsolete.
[00:11:00]  It doesn't fit the modern world.
[00:11:02]  Let me start with something you said just before the break, by the way, and that is that the win-red numbers are much smaller than the Democratic system.
[00:11:15]  Part of that is because as much as it's five or six years behind in development, but part of it is that Google in particular refuses to deliver.
[00:11:25]  And I talked with Ronald McDaniel about this, the Republican National Committee chair before the election.
[00:11:31]  Routinely, the last four days of the month, Google manages to not deliver Republican emails.
[00:11:39]  And so from a fundraising perspective, the largest single delivery system in the country was methodically biased against the win-red and in favor of Act Blue.
[00:11:51]  And that was a factor.
[00:11:53]  The other big difference you put your finger on exactly, and I'm trying to put together now sort of a list of things that we need to learn if we're not going to repeat this in 2024.
[00:12:06]  Democrats focus on winning the election.
[00:12:09]  Republicans focus on campaigning.
[00:12:12]  Part of that, I think, is the way the consulting system works.
[00:12:16]  Republican consultants make a lot of money out of placing TV ads.
[00:12:20]  They have a big bias in favor of media, whether it's effective or not.
[00:12:25]  Democrats start out with the idea that I don't care how the campaign goes.
[00:12:29]  I want to know when it's over, did I win the election?
[00:12:32]  And so, if you watch them, they're much more ruthlessly centered.
[00:12:37]  They start collecting votes much earlier, which means they can tell you who on their base has already voted and who they need to focus on.
[00:12:46]  And we've now been through two cycles where it's very clear that their model is just better than ours.
[00:12:52]  And yet, you have a pretty large political consultant industry, if you will, that has a great deal of commitment to the old order and doesn't want to change.
[00:13:02]  And that's one of the things I would say to everybody who's a donor is that they should really ask carefully whether or not the candidates and the campaigns they're going to support are going to be rethought based on what we've learned.
[00:13:14]  I mean, I think this was a very frustrating election.
[00:13:18]  I certainly was wrong about the outcome.
[00:13:21]  I still look at the data and can't figure it out.
[00:13:24]  And it troubles me a great deal that we did not have a more effective impact given the potential of the repudiation of Biden's policies.
[00:13:34]  Yeah, I mean, you look in Arizona where I live, and we're so focused on Arizona here, where the congressional candidates did very well.
[00:13:42]  Arizona, for the first time in a couple of years, is going to be sending more Republicans to the House of Representatives than Democrats.
[00:13:49]  It used to be the other way.
[00:13:50]  At the same time, though, Kerry Lake had a three to four point undervote behind the congressional candidates in some of these districts.
[00:13:58]  And it just makes you scratch your head and say, how on earth?
[00:14:01]  And there was not a single leading indicator that showed us that, which is what's so shocking.
[00:14:07]  There wasn't a poll.
[00:14:08]  There wasn't, you know, the door knocking we were doing, the grassroots conversations.
[00:14:13]  And that's my final question, Mr. Speaker: is, you know, there wasn't any of the kind of warning signs, if you will.
[00:14:21]  I think some of the Democrats were more surprised than we were.

=== Arizona Election Results Explained (02:00) ===

[00:14:24]  I think that's right.
[00:14:25]  I mean, many of the pollsters that I trust most were just wrong.
[00:14:29]  And I think they're still scratching their heads trying to figure out what went wrong.
[00:14:33]  And of course, you also had in Mariposa County, which is 60% of the vote in Arizona, you had this weird moment.
[00:14:39]  Imagine that you had been in a county that was overwhelmingly black and they had 20% of the machines didn't work, leading to very, very long lines, to people going home in frustration.
[00:14:54]  You know, it would have become a major national civil rights scandal.
[00:14:57]  Yes.
[00:14:58]  Well, that's what happened in Mariposa County.
[00:15:00]  And frankly, I don't understand how two elections in a row, Mariposa County, can be that bad.
[00:15:07]  I mean, the French have a national election.
[00:15:09]  They count all the votes in one day.
[00:15:12]  It's all over.
[00:15:13]  The Brazilians did the same thing.
[00:15:15]  It was all over.
[00:15:16]  And here we are, you know, two and three weeks later, gradually learning from some of our biggest counties.
[00:15:24]  62% of all voters, and they can't figure it out.
[00:15:27]  Mr. Speaker, looking forward to having you at AmericaFest and great commentary as always.
[00:15:31]  Thank you.
[00:15:31]  We're not going to give up.
[00:15:32]  Really appreciate it.
[00:15:33]  Thank you.
[00:15:33]  Thank you.
[00:15:37]  Hey, everybody.
[00:15:38]  Charlie Kirk here.
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[00:15:52]  The Supreme Court is deciding a case on this right now.
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[00:15:58]  It never has and never will.
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=== Funding the Disinformation Board (10:59) ===

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[00:16:40]  A lot of people are asking questions about the Maricopa election results.
[00:16:47]  We're going to need to see some lawsuits very soon.
[00:16:49]  Unfortunately, we're up against some pretty significant deadlines when it comes to certification.
[00:16:55]  So I really hope a courageous judge will do the right thing.
[00:16:57]  But we have legitimate examples here.
[00:17:00]  This woman that emailed us this morning, she said, I wanted to vote for the first time since 1981 that she was not able to vote because of the incompetence of Mara Copa County.
[00:17:14]  Kash Patel is with us.
[00:17:18]  Cash, welcome back to the program.
[00:17:20]  What does it mean that there is a special counsel investigating Trump?
[00:17:23]  It means there is an explosion of the politicization of the FBI and DOJ.
[00:17:27]  And just look at this statistic coming from me, a former federal prosecutor.
[00:17:31]  The only two federal prosecutors in DOJ history who were crushed and reversed nine to zero by the Supreme Court for criminal convictions that were vacated because they were unlawful were Andrew Weissman.
[00:17:44]  And you guessed it, the special counsel Merrick Garland just appointed in Jack Smith when he brought the Bob McDonald prosecutions.
[00:17:52]  This is the type of people we have that they say are apolitical figures leading our law enforcement agencies.
[00:17:58]  And if that weren't enough, this guy was the head of public integrity at DOJ when the Lois Lerner scandal broke out of the IRS to target conservative institutions.
[00:18:06]  Yeah, so what are they investigating exactly?
[00:18:09]  I mean, I don't mean that like sarcastically.
[00:18:12]  I can't even keep track.
[00:18:13]  It's like some paperwork dispute, some memorabilia investigation.
[00:18:17]  Well, it keeps changing, Charlie.
[00:18:19]  And, you know, whatever we see in the public is whatever I'm able to talk about.
[00:18:22]  But the DOJ is supposed to be able to prosecute cases across the board.
[00:18:28]  A special counsel only comes in when there's a conflict of interest.
[00:18:32]  What do they do?
[00:18:32]  They had the U.S. Attorney's Office in D.C. and Maine Justice and the behead that the FBI investigating Trump for however long, and they realized, oh, the midterm elections are over.
[00:18:42]  So what's going to happen?
[00:18:44]  That means Congress and the Judiciary Committee specifically, hopefully led by Jim Jordan, is going to come in and say, what are you guys doing about Hunter Biden?
[00:18:53]  Why are you still going after President Trump?
[00:18:56]  And I think Merrick Garland did this to politically protect himself to say, uh-oh, special counsel, if you quote, recall Mueller during Russia Gate, they gave a hard roadblock shutdown once the special counsel was appointed to Congress and said, We can't give you any documents.
[00:19:09]  There's nothing to see here.
[00:19:10]  We are being above board.
[00:19:11]  We appointed a special counsel.
[00:19:13]  This thing is so extraordinary.
[00:19:14]  And so let me get this straight.
[00:19:16]  Can an attorney general appoint unlimited amounts of special counsels?
[00:19:19]  What's the process?
[00:19:19]  Don't they have to go through Congress?
[00:19:22]  No, they do at some point have to get budgeting for it.
[00:19:25]  But an attorney general can, there's a regulation in the code of federal procedure that basically says an attorney general has the authority to appoint a special counsel when there's a conflict of interest, or quote, there is a significant public interest in doing so, which is just a meaningless verbiage for political government gangsters to fulfill the political needs of the DOJ and FBI, which you would think there used to be none.
[00:19:49]  That's why that language was written like that.
[00:19:51]  But that's why I have called for repeatedly a constant, a total overhaul of how special counsels are appointed and who they report to.
[00:19:58]  They only report to the attorney general.
[00:20:00]  They do not report to Congress.
[00:20:01]  That is a shocking conflict of interest in and of itself.
[00:20:05]  So Republicans are going to take over the House.
[00:20:07]  Let's say Jim Jordan is chairman of judiciary.
[00:20:10]  Does he have oversight ability of the special counsel?
[00:20:12]  Yes.
[00:20:14]  The special counsel is still a branch and falls under the Department of Justice.
[00:20:18]  Now, whether we play the hardball that the Democrats did with the unselect committee and issue subpoenas on a daily basis for documents and force people to comply and show up and testify, i.e., Garland, Ray, and all of their goons, that remains to be seen.
[00:20:34]  I think we will see some of that, but it's going to take some serious gumption from our leadership in Congress when we take the gavels at the House come January in order for that to happen.
[00:20:43]  Then I just remind them: look at the rules they treated us by.
[00:20:47]  They created them.
[00:20:48]  We need to use those same rules to have accountability because it's not going to come from this DOJ and FBI.
[00:20:54]  Yeah.
[00:20:54]  And so, I mean, what would Jim Jordan do?
[00:20:56]  I mean, you're talking about, you're talking about subpoenas, you're talking about oversight.
[00:21:01]  But, you know, Cash, let's kind of get into this.
[00:21:03]  You've worked on every side of this.
[00:21:05]  You know, you worked in Congress.
[00:21:06]  You've worked in the White House.
[00:21:09]  You've worked, you were chief of staff at DOD, all sorts of different things.
[00:21:12]  So, my question is: how should this Congress operate, okay, in its ideal sense, okay, in its ideal way to be able to actually get this fourth branch of government to come to heal?
[00:21:28]  Cash, we have Christopher Wray who thinks so low of Republican senators that he cancels a hearing and goes to the FBI taxpayer-funded Gulf Stream and flies to the Adirondacks.
[00:21:47]  How do we change this, Cash?
[00:21:49]  One simple answer, which I outlined in my adult book coming out in the spring called Government Gangsters.
[00:21:55]  You take their money.
[00:21:56]  It's the only thing that these people ever respond to.
[00:21:59]  And remember, the budgeting process starts and ends in the House of Representatives.
[00:22:03]  Yes, the Senate has to approve it, but it starts and ends in the House.
[00:22:06]  And what the committees have the power to do, what we did one time, because Paul Ryan wouldn't let me do it again during Russia Gate when we issued 17 subpoenas and Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray failed to comply.
[00:22:17]  It's called this maneuver called fencing the money.
[00:22:20]  When you fence the money, you literally put up an imaginary fence around pots of money that these agencies and departments use to operate.
[00:22:28]  The next morning, after fencing the money, I got thousands of pages of documents produced to us with the media see, including the Bruce North 302s, the FISA warrants, the FBI corruption, and everything we now know about.
[00:22:40]  I think Jim Jordan has this exact same maneuverability.
[00:22:43]  He's just going to need top cover from Republican leadership, such as Kevin McCarthy, if he's a speaker.
[00:22:48]  And so I hope he gets it.
[00:22:49]  Yeah.
[00:22:49]  So let's.
[00:22:51]  So, so is this mechanics of fencing the money?
[00:22:55]  Is that a difficult measure or does it just take courage?
[00:22:59]  I mean, just like, I mean, I'm just, I'm a layman here.
[00:23:02]  So walk me through it.
[00:23:03]  No, it's literally the easiest thing you can do.
[00:23:06]  Why is it not always done?
[00:23:07]  Sorry to interrupt.
[00:23:08]  Why is it not always done?
[00:23:09]  Why is it some sort of trick we have to pull out, I guess?
[00:23:13]  Sure.
[00:23:13]  I think, I guess, going back to when there was bipartisan legislatures, which that's totally gone, and you had respect between Congress and the executive branch, subpoenas weren't ignored.
[00:23:24]  Rules weren't broken.
[00:23:25]  Laws weren't defied.
[00:23:26]  And two systems of justice weren't created.
[00:23:29]  But now, this isn't even anything that requires a serious procedural vote or any of that nonsense, all those gymnastics in Congress.
[00:23:35]  You, as the committee chair and head of that committee with the majority, can go to the FBI and DOJ and say, okay, here's our request.
[00:23:43]  Here's the documents we want.
[00:23:44]  Here's a subpoena.
[00:23:46]  And here's the deadline.
[00:23:47]  And if you don't bring it to us, we will bring you to heal by taking your money.
[00:23:52]  It's simple.
[00:23:53]  Yeah, I'm not confident.
[00:23:54]  So do you think this Republic, I know that's speculation.
[00:23:57]  Do you think this Republican Congress has the stones or the spine to do that?
[00:24:01]  I think guys like Jim Jordan do.
[00:24:04]  Again, he's going to need either, this gets a little complicated.
[00:24:07]  You either need the speaker of the house to approve it, or you need the speaker of the house to delegate it to the chairman and women of the respective committees so that they don't have to go to him, which is why we had to go to Paul Ryan and he only let me do it one time.
[00:24:19]  And the dam broke that one time.
[00:24:20]  And when we went back, Paul Ryan said, no, I'm not going to let you do that again.
[00:24:25]  Again, I think the answer is yes, obviously.
[00:24:27]  But if the Democrats control the Senate, you could still do this.
[00:24:30]  Oh, 100%.
[00:24:31]  Has nothing to do with whatever's going on in the Senate.
[00:24:34]  The Committee of Jurisdiction is the committee with the majority, and there's a Senate and a House for that.
[00:24:38]  So this is very big.
[00:24:39]  I hope everyone understands this.
[00:24:40]  So this is a matter of tactics, right?
[00:24:43]  So that if this new Republican Congress, Jim Jordan and all these people, we have a lot of answers we need to get, right, Cash?
[00:24:50]  A lot of answers about a lot of different things.
[00:24:53]  You're talking about fencing in the money, which we have to do out of the gate to actually put this in jeopardy.
[00:25:00]  Now, does that then eventually lead to a government shutdown?
[00:25:03]  Or do you think that they move quicker than that?
[00:25:06]  No, that's a great question.
[00:25:07]  So I'm not for, and I've never said we should take all of their money.
[00:25:10]  What fencing does, instead of getting involved in the budgeting process, which is the most arcane thing you can think of, it literally just says, oh, you got 5 million bucks for your government jet that you're using to take on vacation.
[00:25:21]  I'm putting a hold on that.
[00:25:22]  Okay, so get it.
[00:25:23]  So I see what you're saying.
[00:25:24]  So you identify the measures and the light items that are close to their comfort.
[00:25:31]  Exactly.
[00:25:32]  And it's easy to find that stuff out.
[00:25:34]  Easy.
[00:25:35]  Oh, you need $100 million so you can buy 10 new Cadillacs.
[00:25:39]  Yeah, that's on hold.
[00:25:40]  And you find the ones that are, yeah, going to be very applicable.
[00:25:43]  I mean, like office renovations or I mean, just silly type of stuff.
[00:25:49]  I mean, private jet, Codels, right?
[00:25:51]  Or not Codels, but that equivalent, right?
[00:25:54]  International trips.
[00:25:55]  Yeah.
[00:25:55]  Yeah.
[00:25:56]  Fancy, fancy, you know, trips with members of the FBI and whatnot.
[00:26:00]  You shut those down too.
[00:26:01]  I'm not saying you shut down like health care and salaries and basic investigative monies.
[00:26:06]  You don't need to do that.
[00:26:07]  There's enough pots of money where you can put seven-figure fences up overnight.
[00:26:11]  Yeah.
[00:26:12]  And so, I mean, what would the example then be for DHS?
[00:26:15]  Whatever kind of above-life, you know, above-luxury thing that Maorkis is enjoying, right?
[00:26:21]  Some sort of, you know, excess of the ruling class.
[00:26:24]  I mean, you just, what you're saying is that this Republican Congress, instead of just going after all their funding, which makes it look like you're then trying to make it so they can't do their job, you hold hostage their hot tubs, their jacuzzis, their private jets, their champagne dinners.
[00:26:40]  Yeah.
[00:26:40]  I mean, basically, you look, you know, the difference between Republicans and conservatives and liberals is that they want to grow government.
[00:26:45]  So when you go to DHS, you go to Foreign Affairs, the Foreign Affairs Committee has jurisdiction over DHS and you say, hey, Majorkis, I know you want to hire a thousand more DHS personnel.
[00:26:55]  Well, that pot of money is now fenced and you can't do it.
[00:26:58]  And they will break immediately.
[00:27:00]  They always break immediately when you take their money.
[00:27:04]  And you don't have to even be that creative.
[00:27:06]  It doesn't exactly, as I said, it doesn't have to go to daily operations, like actually protecting the border, but it can go to nonsense.
[00:27:13]  Like, remember the disinformation board?
[00:27:14]  Somebody had to fund that disinformation board.
[00:27:17]  That's somebody with Congress.
[00:27:18]  And a committee could have just said, nope, that $5 million is staying right here.

=== Renting Out Government Power (02:53) ===

[00:27:24]  That's incredibly smart.
[00:27:26]  So, and you go department by department.
[00:27:30]  And if they're not producing documents and they're not playing ball, I mean, if the IRS or the DHS or DOJ, you can just go one by one.
[00:27:38]  You can go multiple at a time.
[00:27:40]  And it's not even department by department.
[00:27:41]  It's investigation by investigation.
[00:27:43]  Hunter Biden's laptop, the border, the drug trade, healthcare, education, DOJ, FBI, Chris Ray's private jet, special counsel.
[00:27:52]  You can just keep going down the list.
[00:27:54]  It's very smart.
[00:27:55]  Cash, I want to talk about your books.
[00:27:56]  Can you just plug your books?
[00:27:57]  You got 45 seconds.
[00:27:58]  Plug your books.
[00:27:59]  Yeah, plotagainsteking.com, best-selling kids' books in America, Plot Against the King series.
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[00:29:39]  I want to get to some questions here.
[00:29:42]  Charlie, I'm super frustrated.
[00:29:44]  I've listened to what you've said.
[00:29:46]  And when are we going to start to see lawsuits and people held accountable?
[00:29:50]  Look, there needs to be a massive change in the way that we do lawfare, in the way that we handle our lead up to game day.
[00:30:01]  We, and I use we, broadcasted our big move.
[00:30:04]  We said, hey, we're going to show up on game day.
[00:30:07]  We're going to flood the system.
[00:30:08]  Now, mind you, there were plenty of precautions and warnings that we offered.
[00:30:13]  There were times where we said, hey, it could be a traffic jam.
[00:30:16]  It could get clogged up.

=== Flooding The System (05:50) ===

[00:30:17]  You know, things could be happening here.
[00:30:20]  Probably didn't emphasize that enough, to be honest.
[00:30:23]  And the other side, they listened and they said, oh, really?
[00:30:25]  You're going to beat us on game day?
[00:30:27]  Huh?
[00:30:28]  Well, what if there's a toner issue with the tabulators?
[00:30:32]  What if there's lines so long as far as the eye can see?
[00:30:36]  And then all of a sudden, things start to add up.
[00:30:38]  And Anthem has two and a half hour waits, and Wickenburg has an hour wait, and Scottsdale has an hour wait.
[00:30:43]  I do want to play a piece of tape here from a Salem Radio Network event that we did when we were talking about maybe people should vote early.
[00:30:51]  I wish I would have said this more often.
[00:30:53]  And boy, did I learn my lesson.
[00:30:54]  Play Cut 44.
[00:30:56]  But there's something I'm very worried about that all of you need to get serious about.
[00:31:00]  You guys can make a difference.
[00:31:01]  How many of you plan to vote on election day?
[00:31:03]  Raise your hands.
[00:31:04]  Yeah, this is going to be a problem.
[00:31:05]  Maricopa County cannot facilitate all of you.
[00:31:08]  I'm telling you right now, they are creating a traffic jam, and it's going to deter conservative turnout.
[00:31:14]  So we got to fix it.
[00:31:15]  I'm telling you right now, we are going to see three, four, five, six-hour waiting lines in Maricopa County, and Mesa, in Goodyear, in Sun City.
[00:31:24]  And unless you're ready to wait six hours to go vote, then we got to figure this out.
[00:31:28]  So, how do we figure it out?
[00:31:29]  I'm not a fan of mail-in voting at all, but in-person early voting should not be discounted unless you want to wait three or four hours in line.
[00:31:37]  I think we are going to see a traffic jam designed by Steven Richard, designed previously by Fontes, that criminal that used to be in there.
[00:31:45]  Yeah, that was in front of about 600 grassroots voters.
[00:31:52]  And that was, yeah, it turned out to be right.
[00:31:56]  Kash Patel, appreciate it.
[00:31:58]  Thanks for sticking with us.
[00:31:59]  Cash, there's a lot of people that are asking about, you know, Donald Trump running in 2024.
[00:32:06]  I mean, some people are saying the special prosecutor, special counsel is only going to, it's going to take a couple years to unfold.
[00:32:13]  What is the timeline or the horizon on some of these things?
[00:32:16]  So by definition, there is no timeline.
[00:32:19]  There's a mandate that Merrick Garland hopefully will put out, which is a piece of paper that says, you, Mr. Special Counsel, this is your left.
[00:32:26]  This is your right.
[00:32:27]  This is what you're investigating.
[00:32:28]  He hasn't released that.
[00:32:30]  So we have to wait and see what that is.
[00:32:31]  But generally, we know what he's going after.
[00:32:33]  And there is unfortunately no timeline.
[00:32:35]  The only restraint is budget.
[00:32:37]  And a special counsel has to come back to DOJ and eventually Congress for a budget.
[00:32:42]  So knowing the way these government gangsters operate, Chris Ray and Merrick Garland Company and Lisa Monico and John Carlin, guys I used to literally work for, they've at least probably set him up with a budget that he can go on for at least a year.
[00:32:55]  But beyond that, it's probably going to take a little more.
[00:32:57]  But look, you remember Mueller, it takes three more, three, four months to set this thing up.
[00:33:01]  He's still in Holland or wherever he is in The Hague doing whatever.
[00:33:05]  He's not even going to be here for a couple of months.
[00:33:08]  So this thing really won't even get going until maybe early next year.
[00:33:14]  And then he's just got time.
[00:33:15]  Do you think it's a punt?
[00:33:17]  Do you think that they're trying to punt on this because they don't have the goods?
[00:33:19]  I mean, this is such an extraordinary thing.
[00:33:22]  I think it's twofold.
[00:33:24]  It's a partial punt to say, okay, we are going to keep the blood in the water.
[00:33:28]  And the way we do that is by saying we have a special counsel looking into it.
[00:33:31]  And you guys, the public, are not allowed to see behind the curtain.
[00:33:34]  And you guys, Congress, which takes us to part two.
[00:33:36]  With the Republican majority coming up, a Congress could have gone in there and seen a lot of this investigation and done some oversight.
[00:33:43]  What Merrick Garland and Chris Ray will do is say this is a special counsel ongoing investigation.
[00:33:48]  But we circle back to what we were talking about.
[00:33:50]  Doesn't matter.
[00:33:50]  It doesn't change the oversight.
[00:33:52]  You want your money.
[00:33:53]  You give us the information.
[00:33:56]  Yeah.
[00:33:56]  And that's what we need to.
[00:33:58]  I mean, if do you think that this could eventually be timed up right when Donald Trump is a general election nominee two years from now?
[00:34:07]  I mean, that would violate literally the only thing that DOJ keeps saying they'll never violate.
[00:34:11]  But I know you're laughing and I am too.
[00:34:13]  But if they would bring an indictment in and around an election cycle, I mean, that's literally written in DOJ, like the, you know, there's no Bible over there, but the equivalent of it that says you don't do that.
[00:34:23]  But we've seen these guys just create their own rules and maybe they will.
[00:34:26]  Maybe their plan, though, is just to keep Donald Trump on the defensive with such an onslaught of leaks of information.
[00:34:35]  And instead of indicting him, they'll just have basically a media headline indictment every week, which they might think is good enough to wound him.
[00:34:43]  It's going to be interesting.
[00:34:44]  Cash, plug your book again, please.
[00:34:46]  Yeah, plotagainsteking.com.
[00:34:48]  It's more critical ever than now, especially in Nevada and Arizona, where we learned the hard way how elections were basically taken away from us.
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[00:34:57]  The second book is so good.
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[00:35:20]  Very good.
[00:35:20]  Cash, thank you so much.
[00:35:22]  Appreciate it.
[00:35:22]  Thanks, guys.
[00:35:23]  Have a great day.
[00:35:24]  Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:26]  Look, Arizona is ground zero for all of this.
[00:35:28]  We got to start to see some lawsuits.
[00:35:31]  And by the way, Cochise County, Gila County, and Yavapai are not going to certify their election results.
[00:35:37]  They are standing in solidarity together.
[00:35:39]  I hope Mojave does the same thing.
[00:35:41]  You cannot put up in a sophisticated, wealthy country, two to three hour lines when there was warning after warning after warning after warning.
[00:35:51]  People were suppressed and disenfranchised.
[00:35:52]  We're not going to let this one go.
[00:35:54]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:56]  Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:59]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:36:00]  God bless.
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