The Charlie Kirk Show - Fishers of 'Ballots' with Pastor Rob McCoy and Ken Cuccinelli
Aired: 2022-11-16
Duration: 35:24


=== Ballot Harvesting for Liberty (15:17) ===

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[00:00:01]  Pastor Rob McCoy joins us to tell us how we can ballot harvest for liberty, ballot harvesting for liberty.
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[00:01:33]  Joining me now is my pastor, Rob McCoy, with hopefully an uplifting message, but also one about how we can use ballot harvesting as a way to beat the left at their own game.
[00:01:44]  Of course, where it is legal, it is not legal in Arizona, even though the left does it and breaks the law while doing it.
[00:01:49]  Pastor Rob McCoy from God Speak Calvary Chapel joins me now.
[00:01:53]  Rob, how are you doing?
[00:01:54]  Good, Charlie.
[00:01:55]  I was watching that clip with you and that young man.
[00:01:59]  I think that pointing themselves out as a man, your patience is unbelievable.
[00:02:04]  Well, thank you.
[00:02:06]  I was getting fisterous just sitting there listening to him interrupt you.
[00:02:11]  And you're very patient.
[00:02:12]  Well, thank you.
[00:02:13]  So, Rob, tell us about your church.
[00:02:15]  You're a very active church.
[00:02:17]  You're involved in local politics and outspoken.
[00:02:20]  And you made the decision to ballot harvest.
[00:02:23]  How many ballots did you guys harvest?
[00:02:26]  And what difference did it make in the election in the county you're trying to take back, Ventura County?
[00:02:32]  Yep.
[00:02:33]  Well, we harvested just a little under a thousand ballots just from our church alone.
[00:02:39]  And then we also put out a voter guide that was picked up by a number of churches in the area.
[00:02:45]  So with the voter guide and then also encouraging them to do day of drop off, this the last, we have one more vote drop on Thursday.
[00:02:56]  And every one of the candidates we're backing with the exception of school board candidates, the county supervisor is going to win.
[00:03:02]  We're going to win the community college area two.
[00:03:08]  City council Mikey Taylor, he made it onto city council.
[00:03:11]  And that's all a result of us harvesting and dropping him in.
[00:03:15]  We're experiencing, listen, I know that Arizona is frustrated, but two congressional cycles ago, young Kim was at freshman orientation as a newly elected congresswoman.
[00:03:27]  And she had to be brought back because they found more votes overnight somewhere.
[00:03:32]  And we're used to this in California.
[00:03:36]  And look, you can sit there and complain and say it doesn't work anymore, or you can figure out a way to win.
[00:03:42]  And ever since I've been involved, we've been losing.
[00:03:46]  Now we're starting to win.
[00:03:48]  And you have to, you know, victory is not determined by the outcome, but by the obedience.
[00:03:52]  We just keep persevering.
[00:03:54]  And it's making everyone in the congregation stronger.
[00:03:56]  And now we're starting to see victories.
[00:03:58]  And this is thrilling.
[00:04:00]  Yeah, so talk about what ballot harvesting actually is, though.
[00:04:03]  So, you guys have a secure box in your sanctuary, in your church, where people who come on Sunday bring their ballot.
[00:04:10]  Is that right?
[00:04:11]  Exactly.
[00:04:11]  So, you're allowed in California to drop off someone else's ballot if they give you permission.
[00:04:18]  And there's a signature that's placed on the outside of the envelope, and I believe the signature of the person dropping off.
[00:04:24]  And we just have a box, you just come in, drop it in there, and then we just take a bag full of these things.
[00:04:29]  I mean, you can imagine they don't know how to calculate, you know, they do their ballot harvesting early, the Democrats, and then we come in at the last minute and drop off a thousand ballots.
[00:04:40]  That's a game changer because we have a candidate running who is secular progressive, just a nightmare, Antifa.
[00:04:49]  They call me the Christofascist.
[00:04:51]  They put banners over the freeway, and they've come after us hard, along with the school board.
[00:05:00]  And this candidate is because of the last two drops, she's now leading by 17 votes.
[00:05:06]  But Lou Lichtel, who is from our congregation, who was outspent 11 to 1 in this next ballot drop, we're going to devastate her.
[00:05:14]  And we've already secured the supervisory seat, which was a complete liberal.
[00:05:20]  She's the one that, Linda Park, she's the one that put forward the funding to get the attorney to sue us and bring a restraining order to shutter our church during the virus.
[00:05:34]  And now she turned out, and her heir apparent, who I was on the council with, we beat her.
[00:05:42]  We got her out, and Jeff Corell's in.
[00:05:44]  So that's amazing, Rob.
[00:05:46]  But walk this through.
[00:05:48]  So, what basically you're doing is you're no longer accepting just like, hey, everyone, go vote, right?
[00:05:53]  Like, go raise your hand, everyone, go vote.
[00:05:55]  Everything's great.
[00:05:56]  Instead, what you're doing and what you're saying is that, no, no, no, you're going to come and drop off the ballot and we're going to turn it in for you.
[00:06:06]  Do people hesitate to actually turn off their ballot there?
[00:06:09]  No, because we've been duped so many times by every, you know, we're trying to figure out what's the best way to do this.
[00:06:16]  And so now, when we put together a voter guide and we say we're going to, we're going to bring these ballots down day of.
[00:06:24]  And in addition, not only is the congregation willing to do that, but in addition, we're making phone calls as we speak to see if any of your ballots need to be cured.
[00:06:34]  You put in your first name, your last name, and your date of birth, and you can see where your ballot is right now.
[00:06:40]  And if it hasn't been processed, it's going to be in Thursday's batch.
[00:06:44]  If it has to be cured, you need to go down and confirm your signature.
[00:06:48]  And there's about a little over maybe a thousand that have to be cured, of which 400 are strong conservatives, like have voted in the last four elections.
[00:07:02]  So we're on that.
[00:07:04]  And that's the difference.
[00:07:05]  Instead of just passively saying, don't forget to vote, we're pushing registration in our country.
[00:07:10]  And people are, what's amazing me, though, Rob, is people are okay with doing that instead of just dropping off the ballot themselves.
[00:07:16]  Does it kind of create this team atmosphere?
[00:07:19]  I mean, I'm trying to wrap my head around it because I'm the type of guy, and I know some of our audience would be like, I would never just drop my ballot off.
[00:07:26]  But I guess since they trust their pastor and they trust their church, they're more willing to do that.
[00:07:31]  Or is there some sort of, hey, we're going to drop all of our ballots at the county at once so that there's no way that they could play shenanigans with this drop?
[00:07:39]  Can you walk us through the psychology of it?
[00:07:41]  Because I know under traditional, like, let's just say parameters, I wouldn't be okay dropping my ballot off anywhere except the government office itself.
[00:07:51]  Yeah, That's the perfect question, Charlie, because when we go back, California was patient zero for ballot harvesting.
[00:07:59]  We've been doing this a lot longer than any other state, and we've seen the shenanigans.
[00:08:04]  So, you know, we've participated in campaigning only to realize that the Democrats aren't campaigning.
[00:08:10]  They're the ones that are just figuring out election day and who's going to count the votes.
[00:08:14]  And we, you know, it's like it's like Charlie Brown and Lucy kicking the football.
[00:08:20]  We've done this thing so many times.
[00:08:22]  We're not going to fall for it again.
[00:08:24]  So I remember, again, two congressional cycles ago, we had a number of folks coming in and saying, if we could just get the churches to do ballot harvesting, and my reaction was the same as yours.
[00:08:35]  Nobody's going to want to do that.
[00:08:37]  Nobody wants to do that.
[00:08:39]  But now, as we're starting to see this siege of secular progressivism and this, you know, the alphabet mafia and the heaviness that they're putting on us, we just finally said, let's do it.
[00:08:50]  And the response was the antithesis of what I expected.
[00:08:54]  I mean, almost a thousand ballots.
[00:08:56]  That's a ton of ballots for our let's scale that, though, Rob.
[00:09:00]  I mean, imagine, imagine if, let's say, in Nevada, 10 churches did that and they were able to get a thousand people.
[00:09:07]  I mean, Adam Laxalt is a senator.
[00:09:08]  You could do that in Nevada.
[00:09:09]  Arizona is a separate deal.
[00:09:11]  You can't do this in Arizona, but the Democrats do it anyway.
[00:09:14]  But you can't do it.
[00:09:15]  And I'm not recommending breaking laws.
[00:09:16]  That's what the Democrats do.
[00:09:17]  Unfortunately, we know they do it in so many of these states.
[00:09:20]  But in California, basically, and some people are emailing us.
[00:09:23]  It's largely positive, Rob, but somebody said, I can't believe your pastor would engage in this terrible practice.
[00:09:29]  This is terrible.
[00:09:31]  It's not illegal.
[00:09:31]  No, no, no.
[00:09:32]  I know, but they're saying, why don't you use your power to get rid of it?
[00:09:35]  I think it's silly.
[00:09:36]  You're in California.
[00:09:37]  You're a dissident.
[00:09:38]  You're in the mass minority.
[00:09:39]  You're probably one of the people that moved out of the state.
[00:09:42]  It's easier to knock it than to come in here and participate.
[00:09:46]  Come and join us.
[00:09:47]  No, no, no, no.
[00:09:48]  So, Rob, stay right there.
[00:09:50]  I just want to encourage you, Rob, and Calvary Chapel, Godspeak, and Chino Hills and San Juan Capistrano.
[00:09:57]  Nancy Pelosi is going to be retired because of probably 200 churches in California that rose up and did their work.
[00:10:06]  That's a national impact, period.
[00:10:08]  And Rob, you and I could list off some of those pastors, right?
[00:10:12]  It's that simple.
[00:10:14]  It's that simple.
[00:10:15]  Rob, stay right there.
[00:10:16]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:10:19]  Open up your podcast app, type in Charlie Kirk show.
[00:10:22]  This is the way.
[00:10:23]  And honestly, I was skeptical when Rob told me he was going to say, oh, stop it.
[00:10:26]  No one's going to do it.
[00:10:27]  Honestly, I was wrong.
[00:10:29]  It's illuminating and eye-opening.
[00:10:30]  It's how you could flip a county, flip a district, flip a state.
[00:10:33]  If they're going to do it, it's time for us to do it.
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[00:11:38]  Rob, walk us through what exactly does the ballot harvesting process look like.
[00:11:42]  You guys have a box and you tell people to bring the ballots every weekend.
[00:11:48]  Is that right?
[00:11:49]  Yeah, so every Sunday we point out that we have the drop-off box.
[00:11:53]  We're going to take those in as a large group of ballots.
[00:11:59]  And you just bring in your sealed ballot, which once you voted, you put it in, you lick the seal, sign it.
[00:12:05]  You bring that in, drop it in the box, and it's secure.
[00:12:09]  And then we take those in mass day of election right down there and drop them off.
[00:12:15]  So we announced that in church on Sunday leading up to the election day, and folks keep bringing them.
[00:12:22]  And then we also had folks from other churches hear about it and bring it in or watch us online because they may tend another church, but they saw that we're doing it.
[00:12:31]  So they wanted to participate in that.
[00:12:34]  Nothing's illegal about it either, by the way, for the person who was concerned.
[00:12:38]  And questioning why we participate in it, it's the rules that have been established.
[00:12:43]  It's easier for them to knock it because they don't live in California.
[00:12:46]  This is a rough state.
[00:12:48]  And, you know, this is a state that just passed Proposition 1.
[00:12:53]  And it's working, right?
[00:12:54]  And so it is working.
[00:12:55]  So basically, and look, Jack Hibbs deserves credit.
[00:12:58]  I'm told Jack Hibbs turned in 18,000 ballots.
[00:13:00]  That sounds like a lot, but I mean, you and I love Jack.
[00:13:03]  That's incredible.
[00:13:04]  That is.
[00:13:05]  Now, a couple of things.
[00:13:06]  Someone just said here, well, Charlie, they're going to get rid of your tax exempt status, you know, the church tax exempt status.
[00:13:13]  That's not true, but Rob, you don't really care about that, do you?
[00:13:15]  I mean, no, no.
[00:13:17]  I mean, I've never cared about that.
[00:13:20]  And to get rid of our tax exempt status, you know, that's based on Ezra 724.
[00:13:24]  That's where the founders got it.
[00:13:26]  And the Johnson Amendment has never been invoked as far as I know of where they've taken anyone's tax exempt status away.
[00:13:33]  And I've been sending, I've been endorsing candidates and sending in the sermons to the IRS, and I've never lost our tax exempt status.
[00:13:40]  So they're not going to, and if they do, who cares?
[00:13:44]  Really, who cares?
[00:13:46]  Is that why you do what you do as fear of man?
[00:13:48]  Because fear of man is a snare.
[00:13:51]  So that just doesn't even move me.
[00:13:53]  Yeah.
[00:13:53]  So let me just, you know, also talk about, Rob, that the scale of this, right?
[00:14:00]  So in California, the unions were the ones that pushed forward ballot harvesting, mass vote by mail.
[00:14:06]  They actually then tried to stop churches from doing exactly what you want to, what you are doing.
[00:14:12]  We have this tearout we could put up on screen here, but there was a lawsuit.
[00:14:16]  California Democrats tried to sue Republicans from ballot harvesting.
[00:14:21]  I do not think this was successful, and it got put up, you know, a big fight around it.
[00:14:27]  But so, Rob, in states like Nevada, in states where this is legal, if we're serious about winning it in 2024, if we're serious about going at a place of improvement, is it time for us to now embrace the most sophisticated and ambitious ballot harvesting operation in the history of American politics?
[00:14:47]  Yes.
[00:14:48]  And, you know, because if we're going to be subject to these vote-by-mail ballots and this tyranny that was put on us during the virus, listening to President Trump last night announce his candidacy and the best part of the speech, as far as I was concerned, I love the tariffs and all that stuff that he, but the thing that really paper ballots, one person votes,

=== Border Security and Authority (15:15) ===

[00:15:17]  everything's done on election day.
[00:15:19]  That got an enormous response.
[00:15:21]  But until that happens, we're going to do whatever it takes legally to win.
[00:15:27]  Yes.
[00:15:28]  Yes.
[00:15:28]  And I mean, some people are emailing us.
[00:15:30]  They say, Charlie, they say, this is corny.
[00:15:34]  If you think a church is going to compete with ballot harvesting, we are doomed.
[00:15:38]  See, we disagree, right?
[00:15:40]  That's three seats we weren't supposed to win, we've won.
[00:15:45]  And if it wasn't for what we did in California right now, the Democrats would have the house.
[00:15:51]  And for the person who says they're not going to vote anymore, had I taken that position and everyone in the church taken that position, the house would be run by Democrats.
[00:15:58]  Yep.
[00:15:58]  You'd have Pelosi as a speaker.
[00:15:59]  So while some of you guys, I understand you're upset.
[00:16:02]  I'm not actually mad at you.
[00:16:03]  I get it.
[00:16:03]  And you always convent at me, freedom at charliekirk.com, are saying, Charlie, it's a waste of time.
[00:16:07]  We're never going to do it.
[00:16:09]  Rob McCoy and Jack Hibbs and John Randall and Pastor Juergen and many others, Joe Pettick and Greg Denham and all of our friends in California, these dissident California pastors, a network of them together helped retire Nancy Pelosi.
[00:16:28]  I want you to think about that.
[00:16:29]  A strategic plan, influence your local community.
[00:16:32]  And you said you're going to flip the supervisor seat.
[00:16:34]  Is that right, Rob?
[00:16:35]  Yeah.
[00:16:36]  So the supervisor that put the restraining order on us and tried to shutter our church and have the sheriffs come and chain the church.
[00:16:45]  And it was a three to two vote on that.
[00:16:47]  And she was the head.
[00:16:49]  She's now turned out.
[00:16:50]  She picked her heir apparent and it was a, they were going to win this thing.
[00:16:54]  And they had all the backing.
[00:16:55]  Yep.
[00:16:56]  And we were able to remove her.
[00:16:58]  And we have Jeff Carell.
[00:17:00]  Check out Pastor Rob McCoy and God Speak Calvary Chapel.
[00:17:03]  Rob, thanks so much.
[00:17:04]  We're out of time.
[00:17:04]  Thank you.
[00:17:08]  Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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[00:18:10]  Joining us now is Ken Cuccinelli, and he is here to talk about the invasion happening on our southern border.
[00:18:17]  Ken, welcome to the program.
[00:18:18]  Yesterday, there was some news that Governor Abbott signed a declaration of invasion on our southern border.
[00:18:24]  But you have some context on that news.
[00:18:26]  Walk us through it.
[00:18:28]  Yeah, what he really did is recycle a press release from July.
[00:18:34]  And he pointed yesterday to his July executive order.
[00:18:37]  He didn't issue a new one.
[00:18:39]  And he said, look, I invoke this invasion authority.
[00:18:42]  And I'll come back to that in a second.
[00:18:45]  And look how tough I'm being.
[00:18:48]  Texas is doing more than any other state.
[00:18:50]  And that is true.
[00:18:52]  But he is trying to give the impression that he's doing everything he can.
[00:18:56]  And that is not true.
[00:18:57]  And he has continued to do this throughout what they call Operation Lone Star.
[00:19:02]  They always give them really cool names, Operation Lone Star.
[00:19:06]  You picture your cowboy there on the border, right?
[00:19:08]  And the governor gets photo ops.
[00:19:12]  And he's been doing that for 18 months.
[00:19:14]  And what's happened to the numbers entering Texas?
[00:19:17]  They've gone up, not down.
[00:19:19]  They will not go down until the governor returns people to Mexico.
[00:19:25]  And he has constitutional authority to do that.
[00:19:27]  I said I'd come back to it.
[00:19:29]  This is in Article 1.
[00:19:30]  If you look at the very end of Article 1 in the Constitution, it says that it lists things states cannot do.
[00:19:39]  One of them is wage war, not surprisingly.
[00:19:42]  But that has an exception.
[00:19:44]  And the exception is unless you're actually invaded.
[00:19:47]  And even Governor Abbott acknowledges we've been invaded.
[00:19:50]  We're being invaded.
[00:19:52]  So he acknowledges the condition.
[00:19:54]  And so we're asking him at the Center for Renewing America not just to admit you're being invaded and to blame Joe Biden.
[00:20:02]  And it is supposed to be the federal government's responsibility, but the founders were wise enough to leave the states the authority to defend themselves.
[00:20:11]  And Texas has that.
[00:20:13]  We're not talking about tanks and planes.
[00:20:16]  We're just talking about stopping people at the side of the river, ferrying them back across and putting them in Mexico and saying, don't come back in between the legal ports of entry.
[00:20:27]  If people believe who are thinking of coming to America illegally and walking across Texas's border across the Rio Grande, and they believe they're going to be returned back to Mexico, they won't come.
[00:20:42]  And that's what it takes.
[00:20:43]  Operation Lone Star, as I said from the very beginning, will not succeed unless and until Governor Abbott is willing to return people back to Mexico.
[00:20:54]  And he has the constitutional authority to do it.
[00:20:57]  And thus far, he has declined to use it.
[00:21:00]  So I guess the question that I have is the wouldn't then he just be sued by some federal judge and would say that that it's a little legally unprecedented.
[00:21:11]  I mean, I'm all for it.
[00:21:12]  So walk us through what would happen next then.
[00:21:15]  So in a different part of the Constitution, you know, Greg Abbott correctly says, hey, this is Joe Biden's job.
[00:21:21]  Well, if you look at Article 4, Section 4, called the Guarantee Clause, the Guarantee Clause has the federal government promising three things to states to protect a Republican form of government, to protect state governments against insurrections against the state governments, and to protect all 50 states against invasion.
[00:21:45]  And of course, not only isn't the federal government protecting the states against invasion, it is practically inviting the invasion.
[00:21:53]  But in years past, over the last 30 years, states have sued the federal government for failing to protect them against invasion.
[00:22:04]  And in five different appellate circuits, Charlie, the second, third, fifth, which is Texas, ninth, which is Arizona, and 11th, courts have all found universally that they don't get to decide that question.
[00:22:22]  It's called non-justiciability to lawyers, meaning courts don't have the authority to address it.
[00:22:29]  And the reason is that they all state is this authority is deposited with another entity in our constitutional system.
[00:22:37]  And in Article 1, Section 10, it is very explicit: states can exercise war powers when they are actually invaded.
[00:22:46]  And the courts have universally held that it is not for the court to decide whether there's an invasion.
[00:22:53]  And what that means in this case is it is for Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, commander-in-chief of Texas, to make that decision.
[00:23:02]  This is why they had to do everything they could to try to get rid of Kerry Lake because Kerry Lake really kind of probed the side of the state.
[00:23:08]  Yeah, she was bound and determined to do this.
[00:23:10]  That's right.
[00:23:10]  I mean, it's, we'll see how the legal challenges and stuff do.
[00:23:13]  There should be a new election in Arizona after the thousands and thousands of people were suppressed.
[00:23:18]  I mean, Ken, you were former White House DHS and former Attorney General of Virginia and senior fellow for the Center for Renewing America.
[00:23:27]  So you really understand this well.
[00:23:29]  Why is it that governors haven't done this yet?
[00:23:32]  Why is it they're this slow walk?
[00:23:33]  Are they afraid of being called like George Wallace or all of these, all this?
[00:23:37]  I mean, we are being invaded every single day.
[00:23:41]  Yes, it's largely political fear.
[00:23:45]  I mean, they give what sound like reasonable explanations, but remember, I mean, your mother taught you this when you were growing up.
[00:23:53]  With authority comes responsibility.
[00:23:56]  So, what Greg Abbott is doing is he is denying that he has the authority so that he doesn't have the responsibility.
[00:24:06]  Now, he hasn't explicitly said this doesn't apply.
[00:24:09]  I mean, he's invoked the provision of the Constitution, for goodness sake, or so he says, and he has found that he's being invaded.
[00:24:18]  Texas is being invaded.
[00:24:20]  And yet, he won't use the full authority provided by that provision of the Constitution to protect Texas.
[00:24:28]  And really, all this looks like in the real world application is it looks like the federal enforcement of the Title 42 public health order that was put in place in March of 2020 because of COVID.
[00:24:47]  It's just stop them at the border and take them back across.
[00:24:50]  There's no shooting, there's no tanks and planes, not that kind of use of war power.
[00:24:56]  The key aspect of the war power is what you can do with prisoners of war, and that is simply deposit them outside of your state and in this case, outside the country.
[00:25:05]  So, this is the press release that Governor Greg Abbott has said he'll do.
[00:25:10]  He'll say he'll deploy the National Guard to safeguard our border.
[00:25:13]  He'll deploy Texas DPS.
[00:25:15]  He'll build a border wall in multiple counties on the border, deploy gunboats.
[00:25:20]  I just have to pause.
[00:25:20]  It's so funny.
[00:25:21]  We were talking about him doing this like a year and a half ago, and I was lectured by people in his kind of camp that all of this he can't do.
[00:25:29]  It's all illegal.
[00:25:30]  Now, he's doing some of the stuff that he said he can't do, and it's not even nearly enough of what he should do.
[00:25:35]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:25:36]  It's well, and it's all photo-op.
[00:25:38]  It's all photo-op.
[00:25:40]  Look, you know who I feel bad for here is the guardsmen.
[00:25:45]  So, for a year and a half, they have been activated on a heightened frequency, which disrupts their lives professionally, personally.
[00:25:54]  They've had four suicides in the guard.
[00:25:56]  And for what?
[00:25:58]  It would be one thing if they were accomplishing a meaningful mission, but from the very beginning, maybe he hoped this would work, but certainly I and others who are experts on the border told him it wouldn't.
[00:26:11]  And he chose not to listen to that.
[00:26:12]  But boy, he sure got a lot of photo ops in that year and a half, didn't he?
[00:26:17]  But he sure didn't lower the flow of illegals into Texas, did he?
[00:26:21]  No, he didn't.
[00:26:22]  Yep.
[00:26:23]  I mean, and so also yesterday, it seems a federal judge rescinded Title 42.
[00:26:28]  And this is what is so frustrating here, Ken, is that, you know, Mark Kelly is going to go and become another U.S. Senator for six years.
[00:26:35]  And he pretended in all of his commercials, he was this border hawk.
[00:26:39]  Can you explain in numbers how the invasion is only going to increase?
[00:26:45]  Yeah.
[00:26:46]  I mean, so this is actually in numbers, and I appreciate that because I'm an engineer.
[00:26:50]  I'm a left-brained guy.
[00:26:51]  So thank you, Charlie, for that tee up.
[00:26:55]  And this is actually pretty easy to talk about in numerical terms.
[00:26:59]  So when I was deputy secretary, we returned over 90% of illegal border crossers in under two hours, which is logistically astonishing.
[00:27:11]  It's an amazing accomplishment.
[00:27:14]  But that tells you these states can do it, by the way.
[00:27:17]  I mean, we did it.
[00:27:18]  They can do it.
[00:27:20]  That's one.
[00:27:21]  So that number declined in the Biden administration, but a lot of people on our side don't realize that until relatively recently, over half of all illegal border crossers were still returned back into Mexico under the Title 42 authority, even by the Biden administration.
[00:27:39]  Well, that's great as far as it goes.
[00:27:42]  But if you take Title 42 down, you're effectively doubling the number of border crossers every day who stay in the United States.
[00:27:52]  It doubles catch and release overnight.
[00:27:56]  And the judge indicated he's going to take this off in five weeks, which, by the way, Charlie, puts all the more pressure on the need for Governor Abbott to declare an invasion so Texas can get a five-week start on dealing with this as the federal government takes down their Title 42 authority.
[00:28:19]  Yeah, and so I guess what he'll have to do is not just then do the press release.
[00:28:26]  He actually has to then deport foreign nationals himself back to their country of origin.
[00:28:32]  I mean, do you think that Greg Allen?
[00:28:34]  No, not to their country of origin, just back over the river.
[00:28:39]  And it's, and I'm not to be too picky a lawyer, it's not deporting.
[00:28:44]  Deport is an immigration word.
[00:28:46]  This is not immigration law.
[00:28:49]  This is not immigration law.
[00:28:52]  This is a constitutional power of the state.
[00:28:54]  It's a totally separate source of legal authority.
[00:28:58]  Just like the public health law is a totally separate source of legal authority by which border are they going to move people back over the Mexican border?
[00:29:08]  Relocate them or repel them or is it repel them?
[00:29:12]  Yes.
[00:29:12]  Okay.
[00:29:13]  Yes.
[00:29:13]  Put them in Mexico.
[00:29:14]  The key for lowering the flow is that they know they can't get in.
[00:29:19]  I'd give them a bag of food and water and say, hey, you got here, get home.
[00:29:24]  And literally put them on the Mexican state.
[00:29:26]  I mean, it's inexplicable this.
[00:29:27]  Why is this taking so long?
[00:29:28]  We're now in the we're coming on the second year of Biden's presidency.
[00:29:33]  This should have been done within the first 60 days, right?
[00:29:35]  Yes, it should have.
[00:29:36]  And some of us were putting this together and starting to urge people quietly to do it.
[00:29:42]  We put a paper out.
[00:29:43]  You can read about this in more detail at Center for Renewing America.
[00:29:46]  If you look under border security, you'll find this.
[00:29:49]  One of the excuses they give for not doing it is that they're concerned that the federal government will prosecute state officials for civil rights violations.
[00:29:58]  Well, we analyze that under the civil rights law.
[00:30:02]  That fails three different ways.
[00:30:04]  Again, this is an attempt to deny the authority to avoid the responsibility.
[00:30:11]  And I appreciate his concern for his own people.
[00:30:13]  I wish Joe Biden was as concerned about his border patrol agents.
[00:30:17]  Nonetheless, that is a false argument.
[00:30:23]  It doesn't hold up.
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[00:31:29]  Okay, I want to get to some pieces of tape here, but I know a lot of people are asking, Charlie, what is the path forward in Arizona?
[00:31:34]  We have to be very clear and we have to repeat it that thousands, if not tens of thousands of voters were suppressed and disenfranchised.
[00:31:43]  What I think personally is the most upsetting, and putting all the stuff we talked earlier in the show aside, understandably put all of that aside.
[00:31:52]  What is so frustrating is that from the moment that we woke up on Election Day, from the moment that I turned on my phone on Election Day, there were already voters that were being suppressed.
[00:32:05]  Now, is that the plan?
[00:32:06]  I don't know.
[00:32:07]  Because when the machine stopped working, the lines started growing.
[00:32:12]  And then you had Bill Gates come out and he says, oh, everything's working so wonderfully, but one out of five of voting centers has just completely and totally been shut down.
[00:32:21]  And then you have people that have to run their ballots through multiple times.
[00:32:24]  And then you get competing and understandably confusing advice where people say, we got to go to this one and that one.
[00:32:30]  And I think one of the reasons why everyone is so upset is that Kerry Lake really became the spiritual epicenter of the entire movement.
[00:32:39]  And I think, look, Kerry needs to file lawsuits one after the other demanding a new election in Maricopa.
[00:32:46]  There is no, and that's an extraordinary thing to say.
[00:32:51]  Some people say that's radical, but how can you possibly quantify one out of five voting centers going down, being inoperable, inoperable on election day, and then the lines and the issues that were caused because of it?
[00:33:11]  Now, I do not know what a judge is going to do.
[00:33:14]  I don't have a lot of faith in the legal system.
[00:33:17]  But it does need to be said, it needs to be vocalized, that what happened on that election day, we are not going to put up with.
[00:33:24]  We're not going to entertain.
[00:33:27]  It's very, very troubling.
[00:33:29]  So now Abe Hamaday is within 771 votes.
[00:33:33]  And so now I can say with certainty, with clarity and certainty, that if those 223 voting centers, one in five, right around 50 voting centers in the most Republican areas, would not have gone down, Abe Hamaday would be 100% the Attorney General of Arizona.
[00:33:54]  And so I do not know what the legal strategy is from this point forward.
[00:33:57]  We also don't know the remaining ballots.
[00:34:00]  Now, if Kerry Lake even gains a couple thousand more votes, this is going to go to a recount.
[00:34:06]  And a recount is different than an audit.
[00:34:09]  So don't expect a totally different result with a recount.
[00:34:13]  But there is something very strange about this entire thing.
[00:34:17]  Again, we'll play this.
[00:34:18]  We don't have time to play it.
[00:34:19]  But we have this montage of people in Maricopa County repeatedly saying with all the issues, they had to go vote.
[00:34:27]  If this happened in black neighborhoods, Al Sharpton and the Department of Justice would be demanding new elections.
[00:34:36]  But the fact it happened to rich white conservative voters, nobody seems to care.
[00:34:43]  Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:34:45]  This is the most important pending legal fight in the country, both what's happening with Abe Hamaday and what is happening with Kerry Lake.
[00:34:55]  On that Arizona GOP flyer, we said we're all going to show up on game day.
[00:35:00]  And they ambushed us.
[00:35:02]  Maybe they ambushed us intentionally and maybe they ambushed us unintentionally.
[00:35:06]  I don't know.
[00:35:08]  But we have not heard the last of this story.
[00:35:09]  I can tell you that much.
[00:35:11]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:12]  Email me as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:15]  Thank you so much for listening.
[00:35:17]  God bless.
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