The Charlie Kirk Show - The Fate of Kevin McCarthy with Matt Gaetz and Jack Posobiec
Aired: 2022-11-15
Duration: 34:59


=== Flipped Chamber and College Messaging (02:16) ===

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[00:01:17]  The buried lead is last evening.
[00:01:19]  David Schweikert, Arizona Congressional District 1, pulled ahead and won, which is huge, which means the Democrats have basically no path at all under any circumstance to control the House of Representatives.
[00:01:33]  It will be in Republican hands.
[00:01:35]  That is a flipped chamber.
[00:01:37]  It should be by a lot more, but it looks like it'll be a three to four seat majority, which is terrific.
[00:01:44]  That means that Fauci is going to have to answer for his crimes.
[00:01:46]  That means Merritt Garland is going to be subpoenaed.
[00:01:48]  That means we're going to get answers on the 87,000 IRS agents and hopefully get those repealed.
[00:01:53]  Maorkis is going to have to answer.
[00:01:55]  Nancy Pelosi is now in the permanent minority, not the permanent, but in the minority for the time being.
[00:02:00]  And praise God, at least that did not break.
[00:02:03]  But I believe that, and I'm just, I'm receiving a lot of emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:02:08]  You know, people are saying, Charlie, I think that for younger voters, the biggest issue was abortion and the targeting.

=== Pennsylvania Vaccine Trends Explained (04:02) ===

[00:02:17]  And look, you guys might not agree at that.
[00:02:19]  You know, somebody says, here, Charlie, you're just ignoring all the shenanigans and the nonsense and the fraud.
[00:02:23]  Look, I was in the movie 2000 Mules.
[00:02:26]  I totally understand all of that.
[00:02:28]  Okay.
[00:02:29]  However, I want to focus on there was a messaging component to this.
[00:02:33]  Okay.
[00:02:34]  The messaging component to all of this that I think is critical that we cannot lose sight of is when Lindsey Graham went up on stage and said that we need a federal abortion ban.
[00:02:47]  I mean, it was a gift to the Democrats to be able to package that and to go after us.
[00:02:52]  Now, I'm very, very pro-life.
[00:02:54]  I'm enthusiastically pro-life, but that is not a winning issue in a midterm that should have been about gas prices and the open border and all these different things.
[00:03:04]  Joining us right now is Jack Pesobic.
[00:03:06]  Jack, welcome to the program.
[00:03:07]  Jack, I want to get your take on this, on what's happening in Arizona.
[00:03:11]  You were here on the ground with us all last week, and this is still ongoing.
[00:03:16]  There's a lot of confusion.
[00:03:18]  I mean, last night, you could have just put me over with a feather when I saw that Carrie Lake won 54.5% in some of the reddest precincts.
[00:03:27]  Jack, what is your thoughts?
[00:03:29]  Yeah, Charlie, one thing that I want to look at, and as I go through the Pennsylvania numbers and myself, is something that I think might actually bear out as to a larger trend that we're seeing here in the 2022 results.
[00:03:47]  And it's not even necessarily so much a trend in terms of the issues per se, but we keep looking back and saying, why don't these numbers match the things that we saw in 20, right?
[00:03:58]  Why don't the things, why don't the, and not just specifically the margin of victory, but when you go through the crosstabs, vote group by vote group, demographic by demographic, people turning out in different buckets.
[00:04:10]  One thing, and, you know, again, we're all kind of brainstorming here at the, we're still in that fog of war moment, but internal migration.
[00:04:18]  Okay.
[00:04:19]  So in certain states on the East Coast, right?
[00:04:24]  I'm an East Coast guy.
[00:04:25]  So on the East Coast, you had a lot of people in Pennsylvania and New York.
[00:04:30]  Pennsylvania and New York were hit hard by lockdowns throughout 2020 and then vaccine mandates in 2021.
[00:04:37]  In fact, where I am in the Washington, D.C. area, we are still under vaccine mandates.
[00:04:42]  I can't take my family certain places because of them.
[00:04:44]  We actually had to cancel some plans this weekend because of that.
[00:04:48]  Where did those people go?
[00:04:50]  Well, of course, they all went to Florida.
[00:04:53]  They filled Florida up and continued Florida on its trajectory that was set in path, obviously, by Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis by turning it into just one of the reddest states that you'll find in the country, right?
[00:05:05]  That's because so many people were pouring into that state.
[00:05:08]  But interestingly, Charlie, that same demographic or that same dynamic also played out on the West Coast when it came to California.
[00:05:16]  Because where did those people from California go?
[00:05:19]  They all went to Arizona.
[00:05:20]  They went to places like Glenside.
[00:05:23]  They went to Gilbert.
[00:05:24]  They went to Chandler, Scottsdale, obviously, where a lot of people go.
[00:05:29]  And so I'm wondering, and again, I don't have the fidelity of the numbers that you're looking at, but I'm wondering if some of that physical internal migration within the United States caused by these massive lockdown and vaccine mandate regimes has driven some of this because the problem, obviously, you see red voters are coming out of New York and Pennsylvania, making Florida redder.
[00:05:54]  However, comma, you do, when you're coming out of California, sure, there's going to be some red, but there's going to be a lot of blue as well.
[00:06:00]  So I'm wondering if that might account for some of the change that we're seeing in the breaks between 2020 and 2022.
[00:06:06]  Yeah, you could be right, Jack.
[00:06:08]  And I mean, there's so many good stories out of the midterms.
[00:06:12]  We're not talking about DeSantis by 20.
[00:06:14]  Even Brian Kemp won convincingly in Georgia.
[00:06:16]  Greg Abbott just obliterated Robert Francis O'Rourke.

=== Rust Belt Victory Stories Tonight (04:08) ===

[00:06:19]  I mean, just ran over.
[00:06:21]  And Greg Abbott actually won independence in Texas, which is so interesting.
[00:06:26]  Lombardo won in Nevada.
[00:06:28]  But it's just, you know, in Arizona in particular, I mean, I'm shocked and I'm just looking at the numbers as they are.
[00:06:36]  And I would love to have somebody walk me through them.
[00:06:38]  I'd love to have somebody tell me how on earth this is conceivable, how it's possible how Cary Lake could win game day in-person election day voting independence two to one and then lose them if somebody dropped off ballots.
[00:06:54]  It's just, and we're going to have the final numbers tonight.
[00:06:56]  So just so everyone knows, there's anywhere between 90 to 100,000 Maricopa ballots remaining.
[00:07:02]  I think there actually might be more than that.
[00:07:04]  In fact, I just got a text message here for anyone listening from Arizona.
[00:07:08]  Okay.
[00:07:09]  Anyone from Arizona, listen to this.
[00:07:13]  I want to talk about this.
[00:07:14]  He said, by the way, your advice to cure vote was a good one.
[00:07:16]  My wife and I voted at 6 a.m. on election day.
[00:07:19]  My vote was tabulated, but my wife and I was among the majority of people around whose ballot couldn't tabulate.
[00:07:26]  We checked our status and currently neither of us are currently listed as having voted since the primary.
[00:07:32]  So we're going to have Tyler Boyer on to kind of walk through what to do here, but there is a chance that, again, it's a chance.
[00:07:38]  I'm not saying that it's a good chance, but knowing Maricopa's incompetency, there's a chance that there's tens of thousands of ballots in adjudication in different buckets that haven't been tabulated.
[00:07:52]  And that would end up kind of closing this turnout gap that currently is a little bit mysterious right now.
[00:08:01]  So anyway, Jack, we have a minute and a half remaining.
[00:08:03]  You and I are both very pro-life and enthusiastic about it.
[00:08:06]  But can you talk about how Lindsey Graham might have torpedoed the midterms with his foolish and reckless and baseless announcement about a federal abortion event this close to the election?
[00:08:16]  I mean, Charlie, I said it on election night.
[00:08:18]  I would say that Lindsey Graham lost six states with that statement.
[00:08:22]  I don't know why he made it.
[00:08:23]  I don't know if somebody put that up to him and whispered in his ear and told him to come out and do this.
[00:08:27]  Lindsey Graham is not someone that I would consider a member of sort of the professional pro-life movement.
[00:08:33]  He certainly never has been.
[00:08:34]  I don't believe he's spoken at any of the rallies or anything like that.
[00:08:36]  And so I'm very interested to why it was that he did this.
[00:08:40]  And if so, did someone put him up to it?
[00:08:43]  Because that guy, what he did there was give the Democrats fuel for a million mailers, millions of dollars of TV spending, ads that went up in every single race across the country.
[00:08:53]  And it gave them something to anchor it on.
[00:08:56]  And you wouldn't have anybody fact-checking it because they're saying, well, here's Lindsey Graham.
[00:08:59]  He's a member in great standing of the senior Senate leadership.
[00:09:02]  And there you go.
[00:09:04]  Yeah, it's just, it's hard to believe what the motivations and the intentions were there.
[00:09:08]  I'd say at least we lost six states because of Lindsey Graham.
[00:09:11]  Easily.
[00:09:12]  Yeah, I mean, and then they micro-targeted straight to independence in a way where it was very, very persuasive.
[00:09:22]  So Jack, really quick, one minute remaining.
[00:09:25]  We're going to have our eyes on Arizona tonight.
[00:09:28]  What are some of the other victories that you think are worth talking about from this election cycle?
[00:09:33]  Oh, well, certainly JD Vance.
[00:09:35]  I mean, you know, when you look at a guy who's had so much put up against him, but at the same time, in a year where incumbents did very well, he goes up for the open Senate seat, is able to win convincingly by six points in that state.
[00:09:50]  I think also they're really telling the story of showing how a Republican can come in, win the rust belt, and show that, you know, this isn't some situation where, oh, by the way, you know, Republicans have, you know, they're trying to paint this narrative that MAGA is over, MAGA is gone.
[00:10:05]  No, JD Vance, by the way, was a guy who wasn't a big Trump fan in 2016, as people remember, and they certainly used his comments against him in the primary.
[00:10:13]  But he came around, saw the power of MAGA, saw the power of the working class, and really came to Jesus on those issues.
[00:10:21]  And I think the voters of Ohio rewarded him and showed that there is a path still in the Rust Belt for people like that.

=== JD Vance Path in Ohio (14:21) ===

[00:10:28]  Jack, thanks so much.
[00:10:29]  We have Matt Gates joining us next.
[00:10:30]  Jack, I hope to have you tonight as we watch the final results from Arizona come in.
[00:10:33]  Hopefully the final results come in.
[00:10:35]  Jack, thank you so much.
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[00:11:37]  Joining me now is one of my favorite members of Congress, a great American, someone who's a fighter, understands what we are really up against is Matt Gates.
[00:11:45]  Matt, welcome back to the program.
[00:11:47]  Thanks for having me, Charlie.
[00:11:48]  Busy week in Washington.
[00:11:50]  Yeah, and a little busy here in the desert, too.
[00:11:53]  At least Schweikert won.
[00:11:54]  So I'm able to celebrate that one, Matt.
[00:11:56]  We got Schweikert across the finish line.
[00:11:58]  So, Matt, let me ask you, you came on our program about a month ago, and we received a lot of negative emails where you said that, hey, actually, a slimmer majority might be a better and stronger majority.
[00:12:12]  Do you still believe that?
[00:12:14]  And do you think that that is now the case as we look at we'll probably have a two or three seat majority?
[00:12:18]  Matt, your thoughts.
[00:12:19]  We definitely are going to have a slimmer majority than we expected, and there's a lot of post-mortem to do about that.
[00:12:25]  I don't think there's a single American that voted Republican because of the commitment to America rolled out by Kevin McCarthy.
[00:12:32]  It lacked boldness and vision.
[00:12:35]  And I really think that we were unsuccessful in trying to win this election by default rather than by telling people what we were going to do.
[00:12:44]  And when, you know, the vision is something kind of written on the back of Frank Luntz's bar napkin.
[00:12:50]  It doesn't exactly get those lower propensity Republican voters energetic and enthused about our candidates for the United States House.
[00:12:58]  We're going to see whether or not a smaller majority is more operable than a majority with more mouths to feed.
[00:13:04]  And the first critical question is who will lead it.
[00:13:07]  Charlie, I believe we have now entered a paradigm in leadership selection that is essentially process of elimination.
[00:13:15]  Unless there's someone doing a deal with Democrats that I'm aware of, any group of five Republicans in Congress can functionally block any person to be Speaker of the House if the current trends in the election hold.
[00:13:30]  And so every five people is essentially a veto.
[00:13:33]  Now, that means that it's probably not going to be Kevin McCarthy as speaker because there are five of us who would not want to see him.
[00:13:40]  There's probably not going to be somebody like Jim Jordan who I would prefer because there are probably five people who don't like him.
[00:13:46]  And so we've got to go down the list of the Republicans and see who can actually unite a conference.
[00:13:51]  And then the hope is with new leadership, with bold ideas, with everyone realizing that we have to be on the same team, we'll be able to lay out a vision and an agenda.
[00:14:01]  And it might not be as aggressive as we originally thought, but it should be accomplishable.
[00:14:06]  And we're about to go through that process starting tomorrow.
[00:14:09]  Well, so then, well, then who?
[00:14:11]  I mean, if that process sounds really messy, let's just start with numbers.
[00:14:14]  What do you think our House majority is going to be?
[00:14:15]  Let's start there.
[00:14:16]  I would think we're going to be somewhere around 222.
[00:14:19]  Okay, so a four-seat majority.
[00:14:21]  That's great.
[00:14:21]  We're improving our odds every day.
[00:14:23]  So four is better than three.
[00:14:25]  Now, I'll be honest, Matt, you sound a little less bullish on this idea of a slimmer majority than you did a month and a half ago.
[00:14:32]  Is that because four is a little bit riskier than 10 or 12?
[00:14:35]  What's changed?
[00:14:36]  Well, four is definitely less preferable to 10 or 12.
[00:14:41]  But look, I'm still bullish that we're going to be able to do important things.
[00:14:43]  We'll be able to hold the committee gavels, conduct the investigations, hold the line on spending.
[00:14:49]  I think it's going to be absolutely critical.
[00:14:51]  But the major changes regarding immigration, regarding the overall structure of our entitlement programs are not likely to get altered.
[00:15:01]  And a little bit, my perspective is shaped by what the Senate will look like.
[00:15:05]  Look, if we had slim majorities in the House and Senate that could hold together, perhaps that's different than only having a slim majority in the House, one where we know that a Chuck Schumer-controlled Senate is unlikely to do the asylum reforms that we need, the entitlement reforms, work requirements that we would advance.
[00:15:22]  And that doesn't give us a permission slip to avoid passing those bills and laying out that agenda.
[00:15:28]  But I think we're going to have to have great focus.
[00:15:30]  Look, there were a couple places in the country where Republicans did overperform.
[00:15:34]  In Florida and in New York, we really saw Republicans build that America-first working class coalition across gender lines, across racial lines, across even age-based demographics.
[00:15:49]  And we could learn lessons from places like New York, where Lee's Elden ran very strong, places like Florida, where we grew our majorities, where we contributed two additional Republicans to the Republican conference.
[00:16:00]  Same with the House.
[00:16:01]  Same with Arizona is going to be too.
[00:16:02]  Eli Kranin wants Saskamani.
[00:16:04]  So give us some credit out here.
[00:16:06]  All right, we're looking forward to it.
[00:16:07]  I mean, honestly, I'm wondering why in Arizona you guys still want to live this way in terms of never having a clear understanding about how many ballots are out there.
[00:16:15]  People wanted to criticize me because in 2018, we actually went and filed lawsuits to stop them from stealing the election from Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis.
[00:16:25]  And we got judges to issue injunctions in real time so that there wouldn't be this undetermined universe of potential ballots out there.
[00:16:33]  And so I think the reforms regarding transparency that not only we implemented, but then that we were willing to enforce in Florida should be instructive to a state like Arizona, where I think there are like second and third world countries laughing at Arizona over we live here and it's a joke.
[00:16:51]  So Matt, then let's go through some names then.
[00:16:54]  Who could unite the caucus?
[00:16:56]  Well, and you have to remember, just as conservatives and America First MAGA folks would have a veto, so would folks who make up the moderate cleavages of our caucus.
[00:17:06]  But let's go through a few people who I don't believe there are five people who dislike these members of Congress.
[00:17:13]  And by the way, I would not be on this list, but I don't believe there are five people who dislike Jody Arrington.
[00:17:18]  I don't believe there are five people who dislike Roger Williams.
[00:17:21]  I don't believe there are five people who dislike Tim Burchett.
[00:17:24]  I don't believe there are five people who like Kevin Hearn.
[00:17:26]  I don't believe there are five people who dislike Steve Womack.
[00:17:29]  And I don't think there are five people who dislike Patrick McHenry.
[00:17:32]  Now, on the outside, there are also some creative choices.
[00:17:35]  I've heard people talk about Jim DeMint as sort of a, you know, a thought leader in the conservative movement, respected by a lot of people, been out of the exact jousting of the legislative game for a while.
[00:17:46]  I've heard the name Tulsi Gabbard, someone who might actually bring us a few folks from the left who are tired of the corrupt ruling class in this town.
[00:17:55]  Some folks have even thought about dusting off Newt Gingrich and bringing him back as kind of a wise old gray hair.
[00:18:02]  And then if an issue that we need to focus on is central to bringing Republicans together at the border, how about Chad Wolfe?
[00:18:09]  You know, Chad Wolf served in the Trump administration, did great things as the Homeland Security Secretary, still doing a lot of great policy work at the America First Policy Institute.
[00:18:18]  And so those are just some ideas, but we have to go through the stages of grief here a little bit, Charlie.
[00:18:24]  Right now, there are a lot of the establishment Republicans in denial, believing that Kevin McCarthy can somehow still become Speaker.
[00:18:31]  What I'm here to tell you is there are definitely at least five people, actually a lot more than that, who would rather be waterboarded by Liz Cheney than vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House.
[00:18:43]  And I'm one of them.
[00:18:44]  And so then you can kind of dispense with that.
[00:18:47]  I think there's a real desire to have fresh faces, new leadership, new ideas, and to turn a new page so that we can get to the important work that we promised the American people we could get to.
[00:18:58]  That will be limited because we won't hold the Senate.
[00:19:01]  We won't hold the White House.
[00:19:03]  But we still have to lay out a competing vision and we have to get ready to fix the flaws of this last election cycle and get into 2024 ready to do battle.
[00:19:12]  Well, also, what it does, it allows us to play defense permanently, meaning no HR1, no DC or Puerto Rico estates, no abolishing the Electoral College.
[00:19:19]  That stuff's not going to happen, right?
[00:19:21]  So that's the good news is that all of that radical stuff has just been grinded to a halt, right?
[00:19:26]  January 6th committee, done day one, all these different sorts of things.
[00:19:30]  So Matt, let me play devil's advocate.
[00:19:33]  Our friend Marjorie Taylor Greene, you like Marjorie, right?
[00:19:37]  I do.
[00:19:37]  Yeah, Marjorie's great.
[00:19:38]  She says we should support Kevin McCarthy.
[00:19:41]  Marjorie, hold on.
[00:19:44]  Let me finish.
[00:19:44]  I'm just articulating Marjorie's belief.
[00:19:46]  And I want, I'm not even saying it's my own.
[00:19:49]  I'm saying this is Marjorie's Bolief, who is one of the most conservative members of Congress.
[00:19:53]  She says it's too risky to try to prevent Kevin from becoming Speaker.
[00:19:59]  Now, Matt, I need you to be like the best defense lawyer you can.
[00:20:02]  What does she mean by risky?
[00:20:04]  And then tell me why you don't hold that view.
[00:20:06]  Well, I think there is a reasonable view that the Democrats could team up with four or five Republicans and try to build their own coalition.
[00:20:15]  And frankly, whether we pick Kevin or not, that's still a threat and a possibility and something we have to watch out for.
[00:20:21]  And we have to do everything we can to ensure that the will of our voters for the reasons they sent us is vindicated in our public service.
[00:20:28]  But whether we pick Kevin or not, that's a risk.
[00:20:32]  I think it's far too risky to pick Kevin McCarthy.
[00:20:35]  I think it's risky to have someone leading our effort going into 2024 who vastly underperformed in 2022.
[00:20:42]  I think it's risky to put someone forward who suggested that Donald Trump resign or be censured.
[00:20:47]  I think it's really risky to have someone as the speaker who said that I was encouraging people to violence just because I criticized Liz Cheney after January 6th.
[00:20:57]  So like there's a lot of things about Kevin McCarthy that I think are very risky.
[00:21:01]  And I think the way to put us on the most stable footing going forward is with new leadership, fresh ideas, new faces.
[00:21:08]  And you know what?
[00:21:09]  It won't be a House Freedom Caucus member.
[00:21:11]  It won't be one of the most boisterous people like Marjorie Taylor Greene or myself.
[00:21:16]  It will likely be someone who can unify all of the segments of our caucus.
[00:21:20]  And that person is not Kevin McCarthy.
[00:21:22]  Just keep in mind, okay?
[00:21:23]  Yvette Harrell's going to lose in New Mexico by a few thousand votes.
[00:21:27]  Joe Kent is going to lose by a few thousand votes.
[00:21:30]  Crazy.
[00:21:31]  He burnt tens of millions of dollars in cash with Kevin McCarthy going after people in primaries.
[00:21:37]  Well, attacking Caroline Levitt and attacking Caroline Levitt, Anthony Sabatini, Carl Palladino.
[00:21:42]  In prior cycles, he went after people like George Santos, Ana Paulina Luna.
[00:21:46]  And so when you turn your arsenal against our own team in the primaries and then run out of bullets in the general election, somebody has to question the decisions the general made.
[00:21:57]  And certainly you wouldn't follow that person into battle again.
[00:22:00]  I know I won't.
[00:22:01]  And so I think that the risk profile is highest in supporting someone who like literally went after America first candidates.
[00:22:08]  I'm surprised by my friend Marjorie's decision on this.
[00:22:11]  Yeah, and she's been outspoken that we need to support Kevin.
[00:22:14]  But Matt, I want you to give our audience a little bit of comfort here, though, because I know you're a reasonable person.
[00:22:20]  If it comes down to it and it's a Democrat-created caucus versus Kevin, I mean, what would the decision you and four or five MAGA types would make?
[00:22:31]  I know that's a hypothetical, but it is one where, I mean, we shouldn't lose the House because we can't get our act together.
[00:22:37]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:22:38]  Like losing the House just because, you know, five Republicans want to caucus the Democrats.
[00:22:43]  Now, I really hope that won't happen.
[00:22:45]  But if you look at some of these races that we're winning, Matt, these are some very moderate candidates that are becoming the deciding.
[00:22:51]  I mean, I don't know if you've been following this or not, but these are some extraordinary, these people make Liz Cheney look like a right-winger if you look at some of these races.
[00:22:59]  Well, I think if Democrats are looking to cross the aisle to build a coalition with Republicans, I'm probably not one of the first 200 people that they're reaching out to.
[00:23:08]  So I don't know that I can give you the...
[00:23:09]  No, What I'm saying, though, is that if it came down to supporting someone like Kevin or in the mold of Kevin, you know, is there any Kevin's hand?
[00:23:19]  Because once five Republicans stand up and say, we're never voting for Kevin, then if Kevin chooses to persist, it would be him putting our majority.
[00:23:29]  Who would those five people be?
[00:23:31]  Well, I think that they would be the people that reliably adhere to the promises that they make to their voters.
[00:23:38]  I'm not here to like out or dox anybody.
[00:23:40]  I'll let people make their own announcements in their own time.
[00:23:42]  I'm making my announcement, which is that I'm not voting for Kevin McCarthy.
[00:23:46]  I'm not voting for him tomorrow.
[00:23:47]  I'm not voting for him on the floor.
[00:23:50]  And I am certain that there is a critical mass of people who hold my precise view.
[00:23:55]  And so the sooner we can sort of dispense with the notion that Kevin's going to be speaker, then we can get to the important work of actually looking at who are the people that Brian Fitzpatrick and Matt Gates can agree on.
[00:24:05]  Who are the people?
[00:24:10]  Lee Zeldon?
[00:24:12]  I think the world of Lee Zeldon, I know Lee has a lot of great relationships with the moderates in our caucus, with the Tuesday group.
[00:24:20]  Lee is someone who I think listens to everyone.
[00:24:22]  And by the way, if you look at what happened in New York, I mean, we only are having this majority.
[00:24:27]  He actually, he could take credit for the majority.
[00:24:30]  He could be a non-member speaker.
[00:24:33]  And I totally agree.
[00:24:34]  Lee is totally MAGA, and he has some really good relationships with the establishment, especially he is more kind of in that foreign policy kind of, he is more sympathetic towards that.
[00:24:45]  So he's built a lot of bridges.
[00:24:47]  So, I mean, that sounds interesting.

=== Maricopa County Voting Discrepancies (10:10) ===

[00:24:49]  I'm not here to endure.
[00:24:50]  I'm not here to endorse.
[00:24:50]  No, no, but I know he wants the job.
[00:24:52]  I know, but we got to be solution-oriented, right?
[00:24:54]  Because I'm afraid that.
[00:24:55]  I think this is the kind of thinking that's very productive, Charlie, when we start thinking about people who can unite folks.
[00:25:01]  But I mean, how can you view the Kevin McCarthy as a uniter when he burnt tens of millions of dollars shooting at MAGA candidates in the primary?
[00:25:08]  So, yeah, I'm not here to endorse Zeldin.
[00:25:11]  I think that, you know, we would have to really look at whether or not we could have a non-speaker.
[00:25:15]  But when you look at why we have this majority, it is because Lee Zeldon ran a focused, disciplined campaign in New York State, brought people together and that brought people over the line.
[00:25:25]  And it would just seem odd to me to like have this vastly underperforming effort in the midterms and hand the speakership from Nancy Pelosi of California to Kevin McCarthy of California.
[00:25:36]  And where we lost seats we were supposed to win was in the Valley of California.
[00:25:40]  It's like, why not instead of rewarding someone from a delegation that underperformed, why wouldn't we reward someone from a delegation that overperformed?
[00:25:47]  And that's not just New York.
[00:25:49]  There certainly was a lot of great work done in the state of Texas.
[00:25:52]  I know there are a lot of Texans who have good relationships across the caucus as well.
[00:25:56]  And we may see one of them emerge with interest because tomorrow, all we're going to demonstrate is how many people aren't voting for Kevin.
[00:26:04]  So when you see 20, 30, maybe even more than that.
[00:26:06]  This is still happening tomorrow.
[00:26:08]  I'm sorry to interrupt.
[00:26:09]  Can you walk us through the mechanics of this?
[00:26:11]  Tomorrow, there will be a meeting of all of the Republicans and they will vote on who they want to be their leader.
[00:26:16]  Kevin will overwhelmingly win that vote, but there will be tens of people, dozens of people who will not vote for Kevin.
[00:26:24]  And Kevin has had years to try to persuade these people to vote for him.
[00:26:27]  And so he's going to have to like make the press believe that he's had years to get these people on his side.
[00:26:34]  They aren't on his side as of tomorrow.
[00:26:36]  And somehow he's going to get them there by January 3rd.
[00:26:40]  I think that's highly unlikely.
[00:26:42]  So tomorrow is it a closed door meeting?
[00:26:43]  Is it public?
[00:26:44]  It's not a closed door meeting, secret vote.
[00:26:46]  Wait, okay.
[00:26:47]  A real meeting is on January 3rd where it's a public vote.
[00:26:49]  Okay, okay, but hold on.
[00:26:50]  So, but how do we even, how can you guys be doing voting if you don't even know what your majority is going to be?
[00:26:55]  We shouldn't be.
[00:26:56]  I agree with Senator Rubio and others who've said that it is crazy for us to be promising our voters that we're going to stop illegal votes in their elections when in our own leadership elections, like we're inviting people who have not won their races to cast votes.
[00:27:11]  So yeah, right.
[00:27:13]  So like, for example, let's just take Juan Siscamani, who's probably going to win, but he should be in Arizona making sure ballots are counted.
[00:27:19]  Is he like Skyping into the meeting tomorrow?
[00:27:22]  My suspicion is some of them will be here.
[00:27:24]  But like, take a weird example.
[00:27:26]  Like, technically, Nick Begich's race hasn't been called in Alaska.
[00:27:29]  So like, should Nick Begich get to show up and vote in our leadership election?
[00:27:33]  I don't think he's going to win.
[00:27:34]  I don't think he's going to win.
[00:27:35]  That's the problem.
[00:27:35]  Well, yeah, I don't think he's going to win.
[00:27:37]  But the point is, since his race hasn't been called, there's not a provision to block him from voting in the leadership elections.
[00:27:42]  And I don't know who he'd vote for.
[00:27:43]  He might be a swell guy, but the central point is that we should not be having these votes until we are certain who compromises the membership of the Republican Conference.
[00:27:54]  It's so obvious, I'm surprised I even have to say it out loud, but apparently we do.
[00:27:59]  So, Matt, I know you got to go.
[00:28:00]  That was very honest and very complete.
[00:28:04]  So, thank you for that, Matt, and good luck tomorrow.
[00:28:07]  We'll see what happens.
[00:28:08]  Thank you.
[00:28:08]  I hope you guys at least pull into the second world in Arizona.
[00:28:12]  Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
[00:28:14]  Thank you, Matt.
[00:28:15]  Take care.
[00:28:28]  There's something very strange going on here.
[00:28:30]  So, one of our team members here checked the status of his ballot, and he voted in person in Arizona.
[00:28:37]  So, that should be counted that night in person.
[00:28:41]  And it said that his ballot wasn't tabulated.
[00:28:43]  So, he just contacted Maricopa County, and Maricopa County said they found his ballot, and it hasn't been tabulated yet.
[00:28:52]  Whoa, Hold on a second.
[00:28:55]  How is it that his ballot has not been tabulated if he voted in person on election day?
[00:29:01]  That doesn't make any sense at all whatsoever.
[00:29:04]  There is a chance, a chance that there is a portion of ballots out there that could be, I don't know if it's enough, I have no idea, but the amount of emails I'm receiving, freedom at charliekirk.com, of people that voted in person that have said that their status shows that they haven't voted.
[00:29:26]  Something is very strange going on.
[00:29:28]  I hope we can get some explanation here.
[00:29:30]  Producer Andrew is on the line.
[00:29:33]  Andrew, what do you make of that?
[00:29:34]  Yeah, I mean, I'm watching the emails come in too.
[00:29:37]  You know, we have a whole team that looks at the emails.
[00:29:39]  Charlie looks at every single one of your emails, by the way.
[00:29:41]  It's a crazy feat, especially in the last week where we had tens of thousands of emails.
[00:29:46]  22,000.
[00:29:47]  Literally, goes through them all.
[00:29:48]  Yeah.
[00:29:50]  But I will tell you, we're getting flooded with this.
[00:29:53]  And so, you know, again, not hopium, nothing like this, but it's suspicious.
[00:29:58]  So please go to recorder.maricopa.gov.
[00:30:03]  That's recorder.maricopa.gov.
[00:30:06]  If you were in the Maricopa County area listening to this, check the status of your vote.
[00:30:11]  Check the status of your vote.
[00:30:13]  The Democrats have the get out the vote machines.
[00:30:15]  They have the unions.
[00:30:16]  They've been doing ballot curing for a long, long time.
[00:30:19]  There you go.
[00:30:19]  You can check out the website right there.
[00:30:22]  This is suspicious how many emails we're getting and the fact that it's actually targeting.
[00:30:28]  But no, but no, these are people that voted in person and they said it wasn't box three.
[00:30:34]  And so our team members said the tabulation machine accepted it and said it was counted.
[00:30:38]  The guy on the phone said that it wasn't tabulated and that I should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
[00:30:47]  What?
[00:30:48]  Yeah.
[00:30:48]  No, no, this is an in-person election day vote.
[00:30:52]  Whoa, whoa, hold on a second.
[00:30:53]  Is it possible that there is an undercount of in-person election day votes that we haven't seen?
[00:31:01]  I mean, just like, let's go through statistics.
[00:31:03]  What is the chance that someone on my team has experienced that?
[00:31:07]  Very low, right?
[00:31:08]  I mean, there's like nine people on our team on the Charlie Kirk show.
[00:31:12]  He called Maricopa County and the guy said it was not yet tabulated, but he voted in person with the ballot.
[00:31:18]  That's supposed to be tabulated the day of.
[00:31:20]  What the heck is going on here?
[00:31:22]  And he just talked to a Maricopa County official who said it wasn't tabulated and he should keep checking the website in the coming days to see if it will be counted.
[00:31:34]  I thought that we had till Wednesday to get this done, right?
[00:31:36]  No, no, no.
[00:31:37]  Not only that, no, no, but we were told that every ballot in person, wait, our baseline is that everything on election day was already counted.
[00:31:44]  This is not true.
[00:31:44]  We have evidence that that's not true.
[00:31:46]  They're lying to us.
[00:31:53]  This is the fact that he got them to say that on the phone, I wish he would have recorded that.
[00:31:58]  Can you call him back and record that call?
[00:32:00]  Seriously.
[00:32:01]  That's an in that, that's not a drop-off vote.
[00:32:04]  That's an in-person election day vote.
[00:32:09]  Wow.
[00:32:11]  Ken says, Charlie, I just checked again, voted in person.
[00:32:14]  My vote has not been counted.
[00:32:15]  I called and Jessica told me they have to count mail and ballots first.
[00:32:19]  This is a guy that voted in person.
[00:32:23]  There's something not right here.
[00:32:26]  Well, you know, Charlie, I mean, not to be conspiratorial, but as we look at how all these, we keep missing our marks, I mean, it's wild.
[00:32:35]  I mean, you know, you start thinking like, you know, we're scratching our heads here going like, how are we missing the, how are we missing the marks?
[00:32:43]  How are we missing the polling that Lorraine said, I voted in person and it says my vote is not yet tabulated.
[00:32:51]  That's not, there should be zero of those.
[00:32:53]  It's one thing if your drop-off vote is not tabulated.
[00:32:56]  Right.
[00:32:57]  Yeah.
[00:32:57]  And that's to your point, Charlie, we keep getting that word that all the ballots have been tabulated.
[00:33:02]  They just haven't been counted and tallied, right?
[00:33:05]  And so that's why they're doing all this.
[00:33:07]  So it gets worse.
[00:33:08]  Our team member says that there were problems with the machines and so his vote will have to be hand counted.
[00:33:15]  Oh my goodness.
[00:33:17]  Third world stuff.
[00:33:18]  No, this is worse than I thought it was.
[00:33:22]  This one says, Charlie, I voted day of, checked on the website.
[00:33:25]  It wasn't counted.
[00:33:28]  Charlie, I voted in person.
[00:33:30]  It hasn't been counted.
[00:33:31]  Charlie, I just called the county recorders.
[00:33:32]  They said it will be counted in the next couple of days.
[00:33:34]  I voted in person.
[00:33:35]  Charlie, I voted in Youngstown, Arizona, Maricopa County on Election Day.
[00:33:38]  Not counted.
[00:33:39]  My vote was tabulated as accepted.
[00:33:42]  Andrew, there's a chance there's like tens of thousands of favorable votes out there.
[00:33:46]  I'm not trying to be like Hopium.
[00:33:48]  Again, please, I'm done with all of that, okay?
[00:33:51]  But this is not normal.
[00:33:54]  I don't know what would explain this.
[00:33:56]  Is Tyler able to come on the show?
[00:33:57]  Yeah, he's coming in an hour three.
[00:34:00]  Charlie, I just checked my status, not counted.
[00:34:03]  Geez, Louise, what is going on here?
[00:34:05]  I mean, if we're getting this sample size from our audience alone, if you're not going to be able to do that.
[00:34:08]  Well, I mean, just on my team, I mean, we got nine people on our Charlie Kirk team.
[00:34:12]  That doesn't count what's attorney point USA.
[00:34:14]  What did you guys say?
[00:34:16]  Yours hasn't been tabulated either.
[00:34:18]  Is that the great Jeff?
[00:34:20]  Wow.
[00:34:22]  And you voted in person?
[00:34:24]  He voted in person.
[00:34:26]  That's two people on our team.
[00:34:28]  Well, think about it, Charlie.
[00:34:29]  On day of election day alone, we had, I think it was probably half our team had voting issues.
[00:34:35]  No, there's something here that is not.
[00:34:39]  This could explain why we're missing our, this could explain why our data is out of whack, Andrew.
[00:34:44]  That's what I'm thinking right now.
[00:34:45]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:34:46]  Email me your thoughts as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:34:49]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:34:50]  God bless.
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