The Charlie Kirk Show - It's Okay to Be White
Aired: 2022-10-26
Duration: 35:35


=== The American Dream and Free Speech (10:06) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:00]  Today in the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:02]  It's okay to be white.
[00:00:06]  If that sentiment bothers you, then you have been programmed to hate yourself as a white person.
[00:00:13]  We talk about this with an incredible professor, Dr. Hill from DePaul University of all places, author of a very important book that I encourage all of you to check out.
[00:00:23]  Very well written, very scholarly.
[00:00:26]  What do white Americans owe black people?
[00:00:29]  by Dr. Hill.
[00:00:31]  There is an anti-white campaign that has been launched against America.
[00:00:36]  Dr. Hill makes an argument in this episode that there is an agenda to annihilate the white race.
[00:00:44]  That is quite an argument.
[00:00:45]  I push him on it, and honestly, he defends it really well.
[00:00:48]  We also have Dean Kane, who joins us to talk about his new book, Paul's Promise.
[00:00:53]  As always, you can email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, and get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.
[00:01:00]  That is tpusa.com.
[00:01:03]  At turningpointusa, you can start a high school chapter or start a college chapter.
[00:01:06]  That is tpusa.com.
[00:01:09]  tpusa.com.
[00:01:12]  I love hearing from you.
[00:01:13]  Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:01:15]  Buckle up everybody here.
[00:01:16]  We go.
[00:01:17]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:01:19]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
[00:01:21]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:01:24]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:01:27]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:01:28]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:01:29]  His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
[00:01:38]  We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
[00:01:47]  That's why we are here.
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[00:02:02]  Joining us now is Dean Kane, great American, and someone I have a lot of respect for, who's in a new movie called Paul's Promise.
[00:02:10]  Dean, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show and tell us about the movie.
[00:02:13]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:02:14]  Always happy to be on with you.
[00:02:15]  It looks like we're both in hotel rooms.
[00:02:17]  So we're both working.
[00:02:19]  The movie Paul's Promise is it's really kind of an anti-racist film, is really what it is.
[00:02:23]  It's a story of a guy back in the civil rights era who grew up with a white kid and his best friend was a black kid.
[00:02:30]  And they grew up best friends.
[00:02:32]  And through social pressures and things, the white kid basically turned his back on his black friend.
[00:02:39]  And through prayer and some church time and some real understanding, he goes on to do the exact opposite in his life.
[00:02:47]  It's based on a real story.
[00:02:48]  And he becomes this founder of one of the first integrated churches in the South.
[00:02:51]  And to this day, still feeds and clothes and provides counseling and church services for tons and tons of people.
[00:03:02]  So he turned his life around completely.
[00:03:05]  What do you think are some of the lessons that we can take from this film and apply it to today's America?
[00:03:10]  Well, you know, one of the big ones is this, and it's so simple.
[00:03:14]  He's like, look, it's never too late to change your heart.
[00:03:17]  You know, this guy, Paul, was a terrible guy.
[00:03:18]  He wasn't doing good things.
[00:03:19]  He was drinking.
[00:03:20]  It caused him trouble.
[00:03:20]  It was a bad husband.
[00:03:21]  He was a bad, I play a fire captain.
[00:03:23]  He was a pretty good fireman, but he had all kinds of problems throughout his life.
[00:03:29]  And he was not young.
[00:03:30]  And then he changed his heart.
[00:03:32]  So it's never too late to change your heart and do good for others.
[00:03:34]  And that's really a big portion of what this film is about.
[00:03:39]  So it's Paul's Promise.
[00:03:40]  You guys can check it out at PaulspromiseMovie.com.
[00:03:43]  A very inspirational and important story about the true story of Paul Holderfield, a former racist firefighter, turned pastor who started one of the first integrated churches in the American South.
[00:03:57]  It's one man's journey to hope and heal during what some would say is a troubled time in our nation's history.
[00:04:04]  And so, uh, so, Dean, I want to talk about there's a lot of things I want to talk about, but I want to ask about this recent post by um Susan Sarandon.
[00:04:14]  I don't know if you saw it or not, but she basically posted this whole thing about the homeless stuff.
[00:04:19]  Uh, well, about uh, I think it was about calling basically Republicans the moral equivalent to Nazis.
[00:04:26]  Do we have the post, guys?
[00:04:27]  Can we do that?
[00:04:28]  We then got Gina Carano, Gina Carano fired, but she's able to do that.
[00:04:33]  What's your general thoughts on just Hollywood being liberal, far left-wing, out of the mainstream?
[00:04:40]  Tell us from your perspective, please, please elaborate on that.
[00:04:43]  Well, I mean, that right there, that's a perfect example.
[00:04:48]  Gina Carano did get fired for that, and Gina is fantastic.
[00:04:52]  And I know Gina, and she'll listen to someone else's perspective and point of view.
[00:04:55]  So, the fact that Susan Sarandon can post that and have no issues whatsoever.
[00:05:00]  In fact, it's just sort of you know, it's okay.
[00:05:03]  Gina wasn't even, you know, didn't even say it's Democrats doing it.
[00:05:06]  But I, what the point is, this, I believe in free speech, and I don't believe in this cancel culture baloney and firing people for making a post.
[00:05:14]  That post has actual real um implications, but I see them completely different than the way that Susan Sarandon sees it.
[00:05:21]  I see it much more on the lines of what Gina Carano says, because I, as a conservative in Hollywood, am told all the time to shut up, to not voice your opinion if it doesn't go with the mainstream.
[00:05:33]  And if it does, you're canceled, you can't work, you can't do anything.
[00:05:36]  And that's that's completely insane, total hypocrisy, and that's fascist.
[00:05:40]  Yeah, it's just it's just remarkable.
[00:05:42]  I mean, as someone who is, you know, very likable and popular, how did you escape kind of the Hollywood snet, like the Hollywood kind of cabal of being left-wing?
[00:05:54]  I mean, what was it for you that made you at least a free thinker, pro-free speech, pro-America?
[00:05:59]  It's very rare.
[00:06:01]  Tell us about that.
[00:06:03]  I have a really strong family, Charlie.
[00:06:05]  I grew up in a really strong family where I was adopted when I was four by my Christopher Kane, who's my dad.
[00:06:12]  He's my father.
[00:06:12]  He's not my biological father, but he raised me.
[00:06:14]  So, I was adopted by him at a young age.
[00:06:17]  My brother, my sister, my mom and dad, we had a real strong family, strong values.
[00:06:21]  And I was an athlete.
[00:06:23]  So, athletics is a complete meritocracy.
[00:06:26]  You have to earn everything.
[00:06:28]  You know, it's not given to you.
[00:06:29]  You have to earn it.
[00:06:30]  You learn how to fall down.
[00:06:31]  You learn how to get up.
[00:06:32]  You learn how to work with others to be a teammate.
[00:06:34]  So, a lot of my who I am comes from being an athlete and being a football player and knowing that I can't do it on my own.
[00:06:42]  I need to lift up my other brothers here so we can all play together.
[00:06:47]  And sometimes we get knocked down.
[00:06:48]  And then, when that happens, we have to work harder and do better.
[00:06:51]  And that's sort of the American dream.
[00:06:53]  I mean, that's really the American values.
[00:06:54]  You work with your family, you work with your team, you're a person of honesty and integrity.
[00:06:58]  These are the things that were sort of beat into me by playing, by playing sports.
[00:07:04]  Also, my dad's from South Dakota.
[00:07:06]  Yeah, well, that helps a lot too.
[00:07:08]  I mean, but yeah, I mean, now, but sports, though, Dean, have become so radical.
[00:07:12]  We have the NHL lecturing us about racial diversity.
[00:07:15]  I mean, the National Basketball Association is increasingly unwatchable.
[00:07:19]  The NFL, I think, has retreated a little bit away because they saw some pretty serious numbers that they didn't like of people that stopped watching.
[00:07:27]  I mean, so, I mean, sports has now become basically infected with this left-wing pathogen, mostly by management.
[00:07:35]  I don't think it's really by the players.
[00:07:37]  And, you know, there kind of is that old adage that politics is downstream from culture.
[00:07:42]  But now, politics is going into culture and is trying to make everything kind of around this new racial regime.
[00:07:50]  What do you make of that and how should we respond?
[00:07:53]  I think it's dead ass wrong.
[00:07:55]  100%.
[00:07:57]  I love that the NFL could do something wonderful for communities.
[00:08:02]  Then do that.
[00:08:03]  But don't lecture people on how they should be and what they should say.
[00:08:08]  And don't pretend you're this corporate woke group that does only good things.
[00:08:12]  You know, the NBA, you know, the players love to bash America, but they'll play in China and not say a word about any of the human rights violations there.
[00:08:19]  It's in it's literally insane.
[00:08:21]  It's embarrassing.
[00:08:22]  And I don't like, you know, I don't like these political messages coming from sports teams management.
[00:08:28]  If an individual wants to have that statement and has that and has that feeling, by all means, you can say what you want to say.
[00:08:35]  But for having, you know, corporate wokeism, having them, you know, tell you what is moral and what is right.
[00:08:42]  It's when they're total hypocrites, it's stupid.
[00:08:45]  And I think it needs to end.
[00:08:47]  And the faster it ends, the happier I'll be.
[00:08:50]  Yeah, it's just, and it's so misaligned with their audience.
[00:08:54]  I mean, their audience doesn't want this.
[00:08:58]  I mean, yeah, I mean, the average NFL viewer is not exactly really excited about the trans stuff.
[00:09:08]  I mean, NASCAR is now lecturing everybody about the trans stuff.
[00:09:12]  I mean, I've been to a couple NASCAR events before.
[00:09:14]  I don't know if I'll ever return.
[00:09:16]  Not exactly my thing, to be honest, but it's really interesting.
[00:09:20]  And I actually think it takes a lot more talent than people give credit for for all the racers and for everyone involved.
[00:09:25]  It's really amazing to see.
[00:09:27]  But that's a pretty traditional, conservative audience.
[00:09:30]  And NASCAR is lecturing about all this trans stuff and this gay stuff, and the gay flag is everywhere.
[00:09:36]  At some point, Dean, isn't this unsustainable where you're trying to impose values and impose very radical ideas on a population that doesn't want them?
[00:09:45]  It's completely unsustainable.
[00:09:47]  It makes no sense whatsoever.
[00:09:49]  And I don't, it makes me wonder where it's that, you know, that government ESG baloney that is an absolute joke.
[00:09:54]  It's even like when everybody has a diversity and an inclusion and equity person, I won't say diversity, equity, inclusion.
[00:10:01]  I say diversity, inclusion, equity, because those words spell out die.

=== Quality Meat Without ESG Baloney (02:17) ===

[00:10:06]  Die.
[00:10:08]  That's what it is.
[00:10:09]  That's right.
[00:10:10]  It's completely ridiculous.
[00:10:12]  I think if you did a poll and said, what would you guys rather do here at NASCAR event?
[00:10:16]  Would you like to be lectured on trans rights, or would you like to watch Ricky Bobby?
[00:10:25]  I think we know where they go.
[00:10:27]  Yeah, I think we would know that.
[00:10:30]  And if you're not first, you're last.
[00:10:31]  I think that would be their answer.
[00:10:33]  So, Dean, great job as always.
[00:10:35]  Paul's Promise.
[00:10:36]  It's a very good film.
[00:10:37]  Check it out.
[00:10:38]  There's not enough good films out there.
[00:10:40]  Family friendly, from what I understand.
[00:10:42]  Very important lessons here.
[00:10:44]  Paulspromismovie.com.
[00:10:46]  Dean, thanks so much for joining us.
[00:10:47]  Thanks, Charlotte.
[00:10:48]  Keep up the great fight, my friend.
[00:10:50]  Thank you.
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=== Elon Musk and Twitter's Future (06:24) ===

[00:12:24]  The restoration of freedom of speech is possibly going to happen.
[00:12:28]  Elon Musk has said the deal is getting finalized, that the deal is getting closed, that Elon Musk is going to own Twitter by the weekend.
[00:12:39]  Now, Twitter has been a long-standing propaganda venue and forum for quite some time.
[00:12:48]  It has been a place where freedom of speech and dialogue has not been allowed or tolerated.
[00:12:55]  It's a place where fake trends are allowed to happen and shadow bans.
[00:12:59]  The Uniparty, the war machine, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, people like Fauci, Biden, Cammie, Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, all of this, all of them rely on censorship.
[00:13:16]  You cannot have a tyrannical country without censorship.
[00:13:21]  It's not sustainable.
[00:13:23]  The backlash to Elon buying Twitter is going to be outrageous and insane.
[00:13:28]  This isn't just about snowflakes and college campus kids that can't stand the side of you saying, calling them a groomer.
[00:13:34]  No, they can't.
[00:13:35]  It's not just that.
[00:13:36]  No, no, no.
[00:13:38]  Censorship and narrative control is central to the regime's control over all of us.
[00:13:49]  They're already labeling Musk a Putin stooge.
[00:13:53]  And so if you're able to have some form of a marketplace of dialogue and ideas, what do you get from 2016 Donald Trump?
[00:14:02]  Remember in 2015 and 2016, there were problems with social media back then, but social media was much more of a wild west than it is today.
[00:14:14]  In 2016, Facebook was largely an open source social media platform.
[00:14:20]  Donald Trump used it.
[00:14:21]  In fact, all the tech titans, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, went on an apology tour, similar to Obama's 2009 apology tour, where they basically like, we're so sorry that our free speech platform allowed Donald Trump to become president.
[00:14:41]  Twitter used to call itself the free speech wing of the free speech party.
[00:14:45]  After 2016, they realized that free speech means that fascists could win, of course, making a joke of the word fascists.
[00:14:52]  And so the left, which used to be the main defenders of freedom of speech all throughout the 60s and 70s and 80s, revealed that free speech is actually not a value for the left.
[00:15:03]  Free speech has always been a means.
[00:15:07]  Free speech was a tool for them.
[00:15:10]  Free speech is not a value, meaning that it's not something that they want to be a sustainable principle to build society around.
[00:15:17]  Free speech was always an ability for them to be able to grow their ranks to then all of a sudden be able to shut up other people eventually because free speech never mattered to them.
[00:15:27]  And so now that Elon Musk owns Twitter, boy, I think they're already doing the major blackmail operation against Elon.
[00:15:35]  I just don't think he cares.
[00:15:38]  I just don't think Elon Musk deeply cares about losing government contracts or Starlight.
[00:15:44]  I just, I think Elon Musk is so, what's the right word I'm looking for?
[00:15:49]  He's so committed to his entrepreneurial endeavors, it just doesn't work for him.
[00:15:56]  He's a bizarre dude in a lot of different ways.
[00:15:59]  I mean that positively, by the way, and God bless him for doing this.
[00:16:01]  It's amazing.
[00:16:03]  Where Elon's incentive is not money.
[00:16:09]  We know that.
[00:16:10]  It doesn't really seem to strike him that he's the world, was the world's richest man or is the world's rich man.
[00:16:14]  It fluctuates based on stock prices.
[00:16:16]  It just seems as if he wants to make the world a better place.
[00:16:20]  I know we have questions about Neuralink and all this other stuff, but at least from my impression, he's not doing this to shut more people up.
[00:16:29]  And the telltale sign of whether or not this is a good thing or a bad thing for freedom and liberty given to us by God is how the regime reacts.
[00:16:40]  Musk is the world's richest man.
[00:16:44]  But if he truly restores some semblance of freedom of speech online, he will go down as a great man of history.
[00:16:54]  I have always said that hierarchies are normative for human beings.
[00:17:01]  You're not going to get rid of hierarchies.
[00:17:03]  Utopian egalitarianism is a stupid and silly promise.
[00:17:09]  We're going to get rid of all hot.
[00:17:10]  No, you're not.
[00:17:11]  Everything works in hierarchies.
[00:17:13]  The question is not whether or not we have elites.
[00:17:16]  The question is whether or not why are our elites so dumb and corrupt and evil?
[00:17:21]  The argument is why don't we have better elites?
[00:17:23]  And Elon Musk is an example of someone who is a better elite using his wealth, his power, his prestige to actually be able to preserve freedom and liberty for people.
[00:17:34]  That is admirable.
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=== What White Americans Owe Black People (15:35) ===

[00:18:48]  I think that a lot of people are afraid to talk about this, afraid to talk about race, afraid to talk about, you know, what does it mean to, you know, have reparations and all this nonsense that people are talking about.
[00:19:00]  Well, we have a terrific guest here.
[00:19:02]  It's Professor Hill from DePaul University.
[00:19:06]  And he's the author of several books, including most recently, We Have Overcome, an Immigrant's Letter to the American People, and What Do White Americans Owe Black People? Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Depression.
[00:19:17]  He is also a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horitz Freedom Center and a columnist for several conservative media outlets.
[00:19:25]  Professor Hill joins us right now.
[00:19:27]  Professor, welcome to the program.
[00:19:29]  Thanks for having me, Charlie.
[00:19:30]  It's a pleasure to be here.
[00:19:32]  Thank you.
[00:19:32]  Tell us about your latest book and tell us about the main argument you're making and we'll dive into it.
[00:19:37]  Well, the latest book is a book to sort of refute the claims of reparations that have been going on for some time when Gavin Newsome, the governor of California, actually did sign a reparations law into effect.
[00:19:49]  And I just got really sick and tired of hearing the malarkey behind these claims, that is, that Blacks were due reparations on a number of grounds.
[00:20:01]  One is that all the disparities between the races, blacks and whites, were due to racism or due to the residual effects of slavery, or something called white privilege.
[00:20:14]  That is, all persons today who enjoy the privilege of having white skin are in some sense systemic walking practitioners of racism.
[00:20:22]  So I wrote this book to refute, to take quite seriously the reparations argument and to start from the beginning to show that Blacks, Arabs, and whites were colluders in slavery, that slavery could not have happened without blacks kidnapping other Africans and selling them into the slave trade.
[00:20:43]  And more importantly, to show that the crucibles of Black freedom was fought in the, was forging the crucibles of the actual Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of America, and that the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the 1972 Employment Act, and the subsequent affirmative action programs, Black studies programs, all were reparative moments, that the debt has been paid, that Blacks enjoy equality before the law.
[00:21:11]  The 1964 Civil Rights Act, I call a eugenical moment in history because it sort of violated property rights and told whites that you can no longer be racist.
[00:21:22]  So the reparative moments in history have been paid to Blacks.
[00:21:26]  Reparations are done with.
[00:21:29]  And if Blacks feel that they are discriminated on the basis of race, there is the 1964 Civil Rights Act that they can extensively point to and make their claims in court.
[00:21:40]  But the idea of ancestral blame, blaming white people because they have white skin.
[00:21:45]  And also, Charlie, another fallacious claim is that most of the white people living today did not own slaves.
[00:21:53]  Their ancestors came after the civil rights.
[00:21:55]  So the idea that there are any white people today whose ancestors own slaves is actually fallacious.
[00:22:03]  And it's a pernicious collectivist argument that had to be debunked.
[00:22:08]  So that's what I did in this book, this last book.
[00:22:11]  Well, you're embarking on some very hot button topics that we do our best to navigate, but you do so in a very thoughtful and scholarly way.
[00:22:20]  I do want to zoom in on one of the things that is on your executive summary.
[00:22:24]  I want to re-emphasize the name of the book, What Do White Americans Owe Black People?
[00:22:29]  And so, you know, I get lectured all the time by Black activists on college campuses that I don't know what it's like to be black, that I have to sit down and shut up, that I have white privilege, that I have cis heteronormative colonialist American privilege, and that I will never understand what it's like to be in somebody's shoes as a person of color.
[00:22:47]  And so can you just speak to that a Bit, where does that come from?
[00:22:50]  Where does that kind of line of reasoning or lack of reasoning or argumentation stem from?
[00:22:56]  When someone says, You don't know what it's like to be in my shoes, you can't speak out about this.
[00:23:01]  You don't have a right to have an opinion because you're not a marginalized and oppressed group.
[00:23:05]  Where does that come from, and why is it so dangerous?
[00:23:09]  Well, it comes from a cult of victimology.
[00:23:11]  It says that if you're black, that you are, or if you're part of a group that has immutable traits that have been marked out, that has marked you as a victim when you're no longer a victim because we're no longer living in a systemic racist society and we're no longer living in a white supremacy society, but who still have bought into the cult of victimology and are intending to use white guilt as a way of silencing white people from standing up and defending themselves.
[00:23:39]  Um, are using what it's called in philosophy standpoint epistemology: that is, I'm a black person, I'm a victim, and therefore, because I am a victim, I am stamped within premature of permanent innocence and I have iconic status.
[00:23:55]  And because you are a person bearing white skin, you are an oppressor, and because you're an oppressor, I'm going to put you in a teachable moment and teach you everything that your ancestors and you, as a person bearing white skin, are conferring on me that you need to shut up and listen to me.
[00:24:14]  This is a very, very nefarious move on the part of Black activists who have like taught people like Ibram Kennedy, Tom Hussey Colts, and his followers and their followers who have utilized the cult of victimology and the concomitant sense of innocence, permanent innocence, and the iconic status of sainthood that comes with it to try to get white people to feel guilty for being white.
[00:24:42]  It is very dangerous, first of all, because it's just plain.
[00:24:47]  It also assumed a sort of heterogeneous homogeneity among black people that all black people think of themselves as victims.
[00:24:54]  And more importantly, Charlie, it expropriates the agency of Black people who do, such as myself, who do not consider themselves victims.
[00:25:02]  And despite obstacles that might present themselves to us, we live in the greatest, the most moral, and the freest country on earth in which there are no obstacles which we cannot use our agency to overcome.
[00:25:16]  So it tells Black people that because you are Black, that you have to develop an adversarial position towards all white people, most of whom are good people who want to see Black people flourish in the world, and that you must develop an adversarial position.
[00:25:30]  This is what's dangerous about it.
[00:25:31]  You must develop an adversarial position towards them.
[00:25:34]  When I think the majority of white people want to see Black people flourish, want to see their fellow Americans flourish.
[00:25:40]  As someone who came to America at the age of 20, one of the things that really I found remarkable about Americans was that there was no bitterness among no sense of envy.
[00:25:50]  They love to see Americans like to see other Americans flourish and be successful.
[00:25:55]  That's exactly right.
[00:25:56]  And that's what's very, very dangerous.
[00:26:01]  Yeah, that's so well said.
[00:26:03]  And so, so, Professor, let me ask you: I was accused at the University of Texas Austin at a turning point USA event of being, let's say, engaging in whiteness colonialist culture by having conversation.
[00:26:18]  And this is very similar to what the African American Historical Museum, History Museum, from the Smithsonian said back in the summer of 2020, where they said, being on time, having debate, having dialogue, doing math and science, those are characteristics of whiteness.
[00:26:38]  And when I say that, a lot of people are so shocked to hear, like, what do you mean they're symptoms of whiteness?
[00:26:44]  Where does that come from?
[00:26:45]  What does whiteness even mean?
[00:26:48]  And how is that not outright bigoted?
[00:26:51]  It's bigoted.
[00:26:52]  And it's also a sense of look, this is part of a larger group of people who suffer from or are guilty of America phobia, who want to equate bourgeois middle-class values, which are actually universal values, excellence, punctuality, grit, tenacity, honor.
[00:27:12]  all universal values which people pin their aspirational identities on as somehow being symptomatic or emblematic of whiteness and to abolish this.
[00:27:22]  This is part of a larger movement to use it's to use the idea of whiteness as being as encompassing these traits in order to really, I'm not a conspiracy conspiracy theorist here, but it's really to abolish the United States as we know it, to change the DNA of this country and to annihilate it.
[00:27:45]  It's a symptom of systemic nihilism that we are witnessing in this country in order to usher in something like a socialist agenda.
[00:27:55]  Look, if you can abolish punctuality, if you can abolish excellence, if you can abolish perseverance, if you can pin all these things on white people and whiteness and show that white people are evil imperialist races and that these traits are the constructs of races which must be annihilated, then you are destroying the United States of America.
[00:28:17]  And why are you destroying the United States of America?
[00:28:19]  You're destroying America because like Casio-Cortez and these other social ballasts and these nihilists, you want to usher in, you want to cripple people, you want to paralyze them, shut them down in order to bring in a socialist communist regime.
[00:28:35]  It's people who are out to destroy America by taking universal values that all persons, rational persons, aspire to.
[00:28:44]  Cast aspersions on them as a creation of white people.
[00:28:48]  Abolish, by the way, abolish whiteness, which is nothing more than the annihilation of the white race, which is part of part of the black agenda, the nefarious part of the darker side of the civil rights movement, which we see rearing its ugly head today.
[00:29:04]  I mean, we saw Jesse Jackson in 1988 talking about, I remember as a student, Ho Ho, Western Civil has got to go, part of that abolishing of Western civilization, including the abolishment of the Caucasian race.
[00:29:19]  And this is where it comes from.
[00:29:20]  And it's quite ugly.
[00:29:21]  And all rational persons, all American-loving persons, all humanists, people who love the human race, have got to fight against it.
[00:29:30]  It's very un-American.
[00:29:32]  The book is What Do White Americans Owe Black People?
[00:29:36]  Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Oppression.
[00:29:40]  I'm certainly enjoying this conversation.
[00:29:41]  We're going to need to have you back on in addition to the next segment we have because this is very important.
[00:29:47]  And there is an agenda behind this to bring in a socialist Marxist regime.
[00:29:51]  It's all about power.
[00:29:52]  And they use race as a conduit to accomplish their objectives.
[00:29:59]  They use race as a way to be able to destabilize Western society.
[00:30:04]  It is Dr. Hill from DePaul University of all places.
[00:30:07]  And if we have time, I got to ask Dr. Hill how on earth he still has a job at DePaul University is beyond me, but congratulations.
[00:30:15]  And this book is really important.
[00:30:17]  Again, the book is called What Do White Americans Owe Black People by Jason D. Hill.
[00:30:23]  You said that one of the aims and ambitions could potentially be the abolition of the white race.
[00:30:29]  Can you elaborate on that and support that further?
[00:30:31]  Because that's quite a claim.
[00:30:32]  It's a claim that I make in the book.
[00:30:34]  And I go to great lengths to show that there are three disciplines in academia today.
[00:30:40]  One is called critical white studies.
[00:30:42]  The other one is called Afro-pessimism.
[00:30:44]  And the other one is called Black Nihilism.
[00:30:47]  And they're headed by people such as Calvin Warren, Frank Wilderson, along with critical race theory that actually argue the point quite clearly that black existence and the longevity of the black race is incompatible with white people.
[00:31:03]  Some of them use the euphemistic term that we must abolish whiteness, but others go much farther than that and say that only the annihilation of the white race, only with the annihilation of the white race, can black people continue their existence.
[00:31:19]  And these are academic disciplines, the three academic disciplines being critical race theory, the third iteration of critical race theory, Afro-pessimism, and black nihilism.
[00:31:30]  And it's stated in my book, I lay out the foundations, the arguments, long quotations from these people, from Frank Wilderson's book called Afro-Pessimism, in which the annihilation of Black of whiteness and the annihilation of the white race is spelt out very clearly as a precondition for the existence, a continued existence of Black people.
[00:31:56]  By the way, the main connoisseurs of these works are middle-class privileged white students who go about mouth-mouthing this kind of malarchy, I must say.
[00:32:09]  Well, that is a phenomenal summary.
[00:32:11]  So, Dr. Hill, let me ask you as we close our conversation here, and again, the book, I just keep on plugging it, what do white Americans owe Black People?
[00:32:19]  How should white Americans in our audience respond to being called racist incessantly?
[00:32:26]  What is the right response for a white American to engage in the American racial conversation?
[00:32:32]  First of all, to stop apologizing for the fact that you're white.
[00:32:35]  There's nothing.
[00:32:36]  Look, if this were turned on black people, this would be so horrific.
[00:32:40]  Stop apologizing with the fact that you're white.
[00:32:43]  You have an immutable characteristic that is white-skinned.
[00:32:45]  And what the hell are you supposed to do about it?
[00:32:47]  Annihilate yourself?
[00:32:48]  No.
[00:32:49]  To stand up courageously and say that you don't need to be taught anything, that you are a free-thinking American, and to actually adduce yourself as evidence that you're not racist, that you have never in your life inflicted maliciously without provocation harm against a white person, and that you're not going to be put in some sort of obsequious,
[00:33:11]  psychophantic position of listening to anyone tell you how you should live your life, when you should listen to someone, and just be very, very courageous and unapologetic.
[00:33:22]  And you'll be very surprised at how your opponents, your adversaries, will back down because what they're really relying on is a sense of decorum and protocol on your part to stand up and take this kind of racial abuse.
[00:33:36]  So I say, be courageous.
[00:33:37]  Don't stop being apologetic for the fact that you're white.
[00:33:41]  You can no more apologize for that fact any more than I can for the fact that I'm Caribbean, not a protein-American patriotic citizen, as patriotic as anyone.
[00:33:51]  And stand your ground, adduce yourself as evidence of the fact that you're not racist by the fact that you have never harmed a person of color.
[00:33:59]  And expose the malarchy and the logical infelicities behind these woe supremacists who want to use their race as some badge of superiority, moral superiority, and expose them for the racists that they really are, the inverse racists that they are.

=== Courageous Answers on Race (01:11) ===

[00:34:24]  Yes, that's what they are.
[00:34:25]  That's exactly right, Dr. Hill.
[00:34:26]  No, that's right.
[00:34:28]  We're out of time, Dr. Hill.
[00:34:29]  I want to just thank you for joining us.
[00:34:31]  I really enjoyed this.
[00:34:33]  Goodness.
[00:34:33]  Jason D. Hill, author of What Do White Americans Owe Black People? Racial Justice in the Age of Post-Oppression.
[00:34:40]  Check it out.
[00:34:41]  Dr. Hill, we're going to have you back on and maybe in person to have an even deeper conversation on this.
[00:34:47]  You gave one of the most courageous and thoughtful and factual and scholarly answers.
[00:34:52]  You didn't dodge my questions, which I appreciate.
[00:34:54]  Usually around this topic, people run for the Hills.
[00:34:57]  So God bless you for that.
[00:34:57]  Dr. Hill, thank you so much.
[00:34:59]  We'll have to rejoin this conversation soon.
[00:35:01]  Thank you for having me, Charlie.
[00:35:02]  I really enjoyed it.
[00:35:04]  Thank you.
[00:35:06]  Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:09]  Do you hear that?
[00:35:09]  It's okay to be white.
[00:35:11]  You're not even allowed to say that out loud anymore, but he said it and he's right.
[00:35:15]  It's ridiculous what is going on in our country right now with the plague and the pathogen of anti-whiteness that is happening.
[00:35:22]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:23]  Email me as always freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:35:26]  Thank you so much for listening.
[00:35:27]  God bless.
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