The Charlie Kirk Show - The Kids Are Not Alright with Dr. Peter McCullough and Heather Mac Donald
Aired: 2022-10-12
Duration: 36:28


=== Vaccine Safety and Racism (14:43) ===

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[00:01:35]  The courage to face COVID-19: Preventing Hospitalization and Death while battling the biopharmaceutical complex by Dr. Peter McCullough.
[00:01:44]  New book out.
[00:01:45]  You guys have got to check it out.
[00:01:46]  And he joins us right now.
[00:01:49]  Dr. McCullough, welcome back to the program.
[00:01:51]  Thanks for having me.
[00:01:52]  Tell us about your new book.
[00:01:54]  You know, I teamed up with true crime author John Leake, who was from Dallas, but he lived most of his life in Europe.
[00:02:00]  He returned from Vienna, and we worked for a year on this.
[00:02:03]  He carefully interviewed all the key players.
[00:02:06]  He's an investigative reporter.
[00:02:08]  He's trained as a forensic investigator.
[00:02:11]  And we wrote this book together.
[00:02:12]  It's a nonfiction narrative.
[00:02:15]  It's a true story about the discovery of the treatment of COVID-19 to prevent hospitalization and death.
[00:02:21]  And our shock when we found out instead of celebration and relief, we were crushed with censorship and reprisal.
[00:02:30]  And there was a suppression of treatment to the public, which resulted in catastrophic hospitalization and death.
[00:02:38]  And I mean, you were on the cutting edge from the beginning of trying to talk about treatments.
[00:02:44]  And now we have the latest story out of Florida where the Florida Surgeon General says the mRNA gene-altering vaccine technology resulted in an 84% increase in cardiac events for young men.
[00:03:02]  If I remember correctly, you have a history in kind of the cardiac world, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:03:10]  I think that's the understatement of the century.
[00:03:12]  Does this shock you?
[00:03:14]  No, it doesn't.
[00:03:14]  It comes on the heels of now hundreds and hundreds of peer-reviewed reports, Charlie.
[00:03:19]  And the FDA agrees.
[00:03:20]  The FDA has agreed more than a year that the messenger RNA vaccines, and now we understand the adenoviral vaccines and the antigen-based vaccines, they all present the body with the spike protein.
[00:03:31]  The spike protein goes to the heart and causes heart damage.
[00:03:35]  That's been shown in a paper by Bohmeyer and colleagues from Germany.
[00:03:39]  And now this report of excess all-cause mortality, specifically mortality due to heart inflammation and death, Patone and colleagues in the journal circulation, our best cardiology journal, published 100 fatal cases in the UK.
[00:03:54]  That's just the tip of the iceberg.
[00:03:57]  You probably know that Denmark has said no vaccines for young people.
[00:04:00]  Florida never supported.
[00:04:02]  I've never supported in my practice.
[00:04:04]  And now, what I've said under oath is that any person dying with no prior history of significant disease, it's the vaccine until proven otherwise, because we know subclinical myocarditis leads to sudden death.
[00:04:18]  It's the vaccine until proven otherwise.
[00:04:20]  And what I mean, this is easy.
[00:04:22]  If the person hasn't taken the vaccine, if the family comes forward and says they haven't taken the vaccine, we've ruled it out.
[00:04:27]  But in the absence of that, it's the vaccine until proven otherwise by autopsy or other clinical evaluation.
[00:04:33]  Yeah, I was just watching television the other day, and the Arizona Department of Health is still running commercials saying, get your vaccine, get your booster.
[00:04:41]  And here comes the Florida Surgeon General saying, Yeah, actually, the vaccine shows an 84% increase in cardiac issues for young men.
[00:04:50]  84% increase.
[00:04:51]  Here's CUT 43, pediatric ICU nurse talking about how they were not allowed to talk about heart problems they were seeing due to the vaccine.
[00:04:59]  Play Cut 43.
[00:05:02]  I took care of those children who came in with myocarditis after the vaccine.
[00:05:07]  It was an unspoken thing that we were not allowed to talk about openly on the unit.
[00:05:12]  The day before I was taken away from my position, I was actively giving compressions to a child to keep him alive.
[00:05:21]  Your thoughts, Dr. McCullough?
[00:05:23]  Well, I'm seeing the survivors in my clinic, Charlie.
[00:05:25]  They're coming in in large numbers.
[00:05:27]  Heart damage, we see it by MRI.
[00:05:30]  Sadly, it's not going away.
[00:05:32]  You know, it leads to heart damage, leads to a scar.
[00:05:35]  The scar is the nidis for an abnormal rhythm called ventricular tachycardia, degeneration of ventricular fibrillation asystole, and that's death.
[00:05:45]  The daughter, the 17-year-old daughter of Democratic Congressman Sean Caston from Illinois, she takes the vaccine.
[00:05:53]  He discloses this in the report in the Hill, and then she dies in her sleep.
[00:05:57]  Again, it's my opinion as a cardiologist that death is due to the vaccine until proven otherwise.
[00:06:03]  He discloses she's perfectly healthy.
[00:06:05]  She had perfectly healthy visits with the doctor.
[00:06:08]  She was planning the rest of her life.
[00:06:09]  You can imagine the grief, the shock, the remorse, the guilt that he has in having his child undergo an unnecessary vaccine.
[00:06:17]  So, Dr. McCullough, some people say, well, kids drop dead all the time of heart issues.
[00:06:22]  I mean, you've been in this field for decades.
[00:06:24]  You're a cardiologist.
[00:06:25]  Is that true?
[00:06:27]  It's not true.
[00:06:28]  We have data by Evolio and colleagues from Finland.
[00:06:30]  Before the COVID-19 vaccines, there were four cases per myocarditis for myocarditis per million.
[00:06:36]  It can happen with a parvovirus or another virus, four per million.
[00:06:41]  The current estimates are now from a prospective cohort study from Bangkok, Thailand, 25,000 cases per million.
[00:06:50]  25,000 cases per million.
[00:06:51]  Yes, Charlie, it's through the roof.
[00:06:53]  Myocarditis at this point in time is due to the COVID-19 vaccines until proven otherwise.
[00:06:59]  I mean, this is extraordinary.
[00:07:01]  So you got kicked off Twitter for sharing a lot of this type of information and being truthful.
[00:07:06]  Tell us about that.
[00:07:07]  You know, I previously had a lawsuit with Twitter regarding my first account, COVID-19 treatments.
[00:07:12]  It was a scientific account bringing data to the world is heavily relied upon.
[00:07:16]  Twitter prevailed because they believe they have the right to participate in this conversation by manipulating our accounts.
[00:07:22]  So I had a personal account.
[00:07:24]  I tweeted relentlessly and fearlessly for a year.
[00:07:28]  Just simply the scientific data, the press became reliant on my analyses.
[00:07:33]  And then Twitter on October 6th subtracted all the followers from my account, 512,000 followers.
[00:07:40]  There's millions of people on my feed per day.
[00:07:42]  We caught them previously automatically unfollowing people.
[00:07:45]  And then they temporarily suspended the account.
[00:07:48]  They wouldn't let me download my data.
[00:07:50]  And now my tech and legal teams are working with Twitter.
[00:07:52]  They've backed off a little bit.
[00:07:54]  But, you know, I can tell you, Charlie, these acts of censorship now are so bold.
[00:08:00]  You probably heard recently that PayPal had announced that they were going to declare COVID misinformation and actually subtract money from you.
[00:08:08]  Take money from you.
[00:08:08]  Just take your money, right?
[00:08:10]  It's a new profit model for them, which is to take money away from people they disagree with.
[00:08:15]  And if I understand this correctly, in California, a new law is being passed or has been passed that what you're doing right now, you'd be breaking the law.
[00:08:26]  Is that right?
[00:08:28]  Davin Newsom signed it into law.
[00:08:30]  It's a doctor COVID muscle law.
[00:08:32]  Effectively, doctors can't speak about COVID without engendering danger to their professional licenses and their occupation.
[00:08:39]  I tell you, Charlie, doctors are going to back away from COVID completely in California.
[00:08:44]  It's a disaster at this point in time.
[00:08:47]  Between California, AB 298, the PayPal developments, and Twitter, and we know through court order documents, American First Legal has shown Twitter is directly working with government agencies to do this.
[00:08:58]  That's exactly right.
[00:08:58]  What's next, Charlie?
[00:08:59]  Bank of America, Citibank?
[00:09:01]  Is everyone's bank account now at risk regarding this pandemic?
[00:09:06]  Well, it is, and it's a wide-sweeping agenda to exercise power and control.
[00:09:12]  And so, Dr. McCullough, if you're saying that now the rate is $25,000 per a million for myocarditis, and that doesn't count all the other potential, let's just say, damaging effects from the vaccine, they won't be able to cover this up long term, will they?
[00:09:27]  I mean, eventually, there has to be a turn of the corner.
[00:09:31]  I mean, to the kind of very awful example that you mentioned, which is the death of Sean Caston's daughter, I read the statement, and I don't know why they put that in the statement.
[00:09:42]  They said, well, she was fully vaccinated, COVID-19.
[00:09:44]  Are they trying to tell us that maybe they think it's connected or it's a virtue signal thing?
[00:09:48]  I mean, Dr. McCullough, I was late last night before I went to bed.
[00:09:52]  I said, I feel as if they almost are trying to make us go insane.
[00:09:56]  As if those of us that see what's happening here, they just keep us calling us crazy.
[00:10:00]  Your thoughts, Doctor?
[00:10:01]  You know, I think at this point in time, again, every American has a duty.
[00:10:06]  They have a duty to warn others.
[00:10:08]  They have a responsibility to do so.
[00:10:10]  The rates of death are unacceptable with the vaccine.
[00:10:14]  Our CDC has recorded thousands of deaths on the same day or the next day.
[00:10:18]  The vaccine mandates need to go, and the vaccines need to go.
[00:10:22]  It's unbelievable.
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[00:11:40]  We have a couple emails here of people that are saying, Charlie, you've been focusing on the vaccine, but honestly, it gives me great anxiety because I took the vaccine and now I regret it.
[00:11:49]  Is there anything I can do?
[00:11:51]  Doctor, what's your wisdom on that topic?
[00:11:53]  You know, the government is not recognizing vaccine injuries and the damage that the nucleic acids, the genetic material, and then the spike protein do in the body.
[00:12:04]  Paper by Stanford from Stanford by Rolkin and colleagues, and then Incel DX Bruce Patterson, pre-printed format, shows the genetic material and the spike protein may not ever get out of the body.
[00:12:15]  It has a toxicity to it.
[00:12:17]  So people are scrambling for things to do.
[00:12:20]  No prospective randomized trials.
[00:12:23]  The best thing I can tell you is I'm following my patients carefully.
[00:12:26]  And beyond a year, I'm not seeing the emergence of problems right now.
[00:12:30]  Hopefully, this will hold up.
[00:12:32]  The main point is don't take any more.
[00:12:34]  The toxicity appears to be cumulative.
[00:12:37]  Yeah.
[00:12:37]  So are the boosters the real kicker?
[00:12:40]  Is that what you're seeing?
[00:12:41]  Is that the cumulative cascade of boosters?
[00:12:43]  Well, remember, the boosters, the bivalent boosters, were not tested on humans.
[00:12:47]  They didn't work in animals.
[00:12:48]  And there was a false surrogacy of the antibodies.
[00:12:51]  It couldn't be worse.
[00:12:52]  The first lady, one of the first in Canada in Saskatoon to take the vaccine, the bivalent vaccine, she already taken multiple as a nurse.
[00:13:00]  She dies in the waiting period in the pharmacy while she was texting her daughter.
[00:13:05]  The bivalent boosters can be fatal.
[00:13:07]  So let me just re-emphasize this for everyone listening.
[00:13:10]  You said that they were not tried on humans.
[00:13:13]  Was this the eight mice that they were tried on?
[00:13:16]  Is that right?
[00:13:17]  Yeah.
[00:13:17]  And it failed and they ate mice.
[00:13:19]  But I mean, Dr. McCullough, I don't want to, you know, be the most cynical program in the history of broadcasting, but normal people are going to listen to this and they say, there's no way I possibly believe it.
[00:13:30]  In a country of 330 million people, the wealthiest country ever, you're trying to tell me we are massively distributing vaccines based on a failed test of eight mice.
[00:13:40]  Is that what you're saying?
[00:13:42]  That's correct.
[00:13:43]  It's never been done.
[00:13:44]  This is a complete abrogation of good regulatory practice by the FDA.
[00:13:49]  The FDA is off the rails.
[00:13:51]  Big Pharma is in charge.
[00:13:52]  The money is flowing.
[00:13:54]  By the way, Charlie, these were pre-purchased before the animal studies were released.
[00:13:58]  It's unbelievable.
[00:14:00]  It really is.
[00:14:01]  And so most people need to recognize and realize this.
[00:14:04]  And so if you were to say this to Pfizer or one of the companies, would they agree with you or would they have some sort of argument like, oh, precedent, we know the technology.
[00:14:12]  How would they respond to that if they were ever confronted with the fact that they're massively distributing technology that failed on mice?
[00:14:20]  They would say that half of the current bivalent booster is the old vaccine, which didn't work and is antiquated.
[00:14:28]  And the reason why they needed a new vaccine, so they kept it half, and then half is directed against the BA4, BA5 subvariant.
[00:14:34]  So they're going to say it's a minor modification of an existing product.
[00:14:38]  However, the existing product is not safe and it doesn't work.
[00:14:42]  It's unbelievable.

=== The Flawed Bivalent Booster (03:24) ===

[00:14:43]  It really is just shocking when you walk all the way through it.
[00:14:47]  We have other emails here.
[00:14:49]  People are asking us a lot about kind of how do we communicate this to people that won't even have an open mind.
[00:14:57]  I'll just kind of close with this, Dr. McCullough.
[00:14:59]  You know, you've been in the scientific field for decades and one of the most respected cardiologists in your field.
[00:15:07]  I mean, just what's your own personal take on the suppression of speech or even the lack of inquiry into the truth around the vaccine technology and COVID?
[00:15:17]  I mean, three years ago, you couldn't have imagined being where you are today.
[00:15:20]  Tell me your take on this.
[00:15:22]  No, I agree.
[00:15:23]  I couldn't imagine we are here today, but the goal seems to be obvious.
[00:15:26]  It's a needle in every arm every six months.
[00:15:29]  The way to break it is simply for everyone to decline it.
[00:15:32]  And I tell you, we can open people's minds by seeing the recent, the last thing I tweeted, Charlie, was, are the kids okay by the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation?
[00:15:42]  These videos are powerful.
[00:15:44]  The data are powerful.
[00:15:45]  The vaccines are resulting in large numbers of deaths, injuries, and disabilities.
[00:15:50]  They have to be stopped.
[00:15:51]  And the only way to stop it is for people to say no.
[00:15:54]  Email from Christine.
[00:15:55]  I got the vaccine one and two in January, February 21.
[00:15:59]  I know I was just diagnosed with an aortic aneurysm.
[00:16:02]  I never had it before.
[00:16:04]  I am 0.5 centimeters from needing surgery, open heart surgery, and a valve replacement.
[00:16:08]  I am sure this is from the vaccine.
[00:16:10]  I'm 56 and in healthcare and regret taking it every minute.
[00:16:13]  Thank you, Chris.
[00:16:15]  It's tragic.
[00:16:15]  Dr. McCullough, thank you for joining our program and keep up the great work and your clarity and your courage.
[00:16:21]  And make sure you guys check out his new book.
[00:16:23]  It's very, very important, The Courage to Face COVID-19.
[00:16:26]  Thank you, Dr. McCullough.
[00:16:27]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:16:28]  By the way, we receive emails like this all the time from people about people that regret taking it.
[00:16:33]  I mean, this one right here, again, we have thousands of these emails.
[00:16:35]  Charlie, my brother, 46, suddenly died of cardiac arrest in July just after getting the vaccine.
[00:16:40]  I tried so hard to convince him not to, but just couldn't get over thoughts that he wouldn't be able to either travel or attend concerts or sporting events.
[00:16:47]  And his doctor assured him it was safe and okay.
[00:16:49]  I tried so hard to tell him the facts.
[00:16:50]  He was healthy and active and had no signs whatsoever before this happened.
[00:16:53]  It shattered our family, and he is now dead.
[00:16:55]  Tiffany from Nevada.
[00:16:57]  Again, I try not to read too many of these on air because it's just depressing.
[00:17:01]  But then I hear conservatives always pushing the vaccine.
[00:17:04]  I say, you guys are just sellouts.
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=== Drug Enforcement and Justice (11:51) ===

[00:18:07]  In Scottsdale, near where I live, there is a new marijuana facility.
[00:18:15]  I'm sure some of you live in communities where they're building these.
[00:18:19]  And it's some sort of a weed dispensary thing.
[00:18:22]  Drives me crazy.
[00:18:24]  This is a topic that divides some conservatives.
[00:18:27]  I'm just, I don't understand the push to want to continue to legalize marijuana.
[00:18:33]  But someone who I really think highly of is Heather McDonald.
[00:18:37]  She's so smart.
[00:18:38]  And she has a new piece out called The Marijuana Myth.
[00:18:42]  And anything Heather McDonald writes or publishes, I make sure I read.
[00:18:47]  Heather, how are you?
[00:18:49]  Great piece.
[00:18:50]  Tell our audience about it.
[00:18:51]  Well, thank you.
[00:18:52]  It's really broader even than marijuana, although I agree with you, Charlie, that marijuana in itself is something that I think conservatives should not be promoting in any way.
[00:19:04]  But Biden last week announced that he was granting pardons to everybody who had ever been convicted in federal court of marijuana possession.
[00:19:16]  And this pardon initiative represented the usual lurch back towards the left to the comfort zone of Biden and the other Democrats in announcing that the criminal justice system was racist.
[00:19:32]  This is a theme that they cannot get away from, even though we see the results of that narrative about criminal and police racism, criminal justice system and police racism, which is an unprecedented homicide spike in this country.
[00:19:48]  They make minute gestures to try and say, oh, no, we're actually all for law enforcement.
[00:19:53]  But then here's Biden with his announcement saying that it was all about racial justice.
[00:19:59]  And he trots out a meme that I have come across for the last three decades in writing about the police that was put out there by the ACLU, which claims that Blacks and whites use marijuana at equal rates.
[00:20:16]  And yet, because of these, I hear it all the time, Heather, on campus.
[00:20:20]  Please continue.
[00:20:21]  You're exactly right.
[00:20:23]  That despite the absolute equal use, that Blacks are arrested more and prosecuted more and imprisoned more for marijuana crimes.
[00:20:34]  And so Biden said this is a matter of righting these racial wrongs.
[00:20:40]  Well, there's a whole lot of problems with this, Charlie.
[00:20:44]  The first, and I just want to get this out of the way, to finally put this ACLU meme to rest.
[00:20:51]  It is not the case that Blacks and whites use marijuana in the same intensity.
[00:21:01]  You can look historically at the role of marijuana in Black culture.
[00:21:07]  This has been documented by great chronicles of Black life, whether it's W.E. Du Bois or Claude Brown or Richard Wright.
[00:21:15]  But if you look at currently, what should really concern us is what is the incidence of marijuana dependence, addiction disorder.
[00:21:26]  The rates at which Blacks are treated for marijuana abuse and very destructive use is three times higher.
[00:21:39]  Excuse me, a third of all admissions in the country for marijuana abuse are for Blacks, even though Blacks are only 13% of the population.
[00:21:51]  There was a study in Washington, D.C. that found that Blacks use marijuana at 38 times the rate of whites, and they are treated for addiction at 38 times the rate of whites.
[00:22:08]  This is a concern.
[00:22:10]  Among all drug use, the rate at which blacks are treated for abuse is 58 times higher.
[00:22:16]  So this ACLU myth is wrong.
[00:22:20]  But it also leads to this idea that then the criminal justice system is racist.
[00:22:25]  And that is just not the case.
[00:22:27]  The fact of the matter is, nobody, nobody goes to federal prison because he was caught smoking a joint.
[00:22:36]  It's absurd.
[00:22:37]  Yeah, and that's usually the narrative.
[00:22:39]  So I just want to make sure I understood this correctly, that Blacks actually use weed more than an average white person, only discussing this because I don't love talking about, you know, what racial group uses drugs more, only to counter this prevailing regime narrative that then tries to push forward this kind of, let's just say, new caste system that is being built in America.
[00:23:04]  It's a lie.
[00:23:06]  It's an outright lie, and it ignores the fact that marijuana has hurt Black communities more.
[00:23:14]  You know, we always hear there was this very, very destructive book by a woman named Michelle Alexander called The New Jim Crow.
[00:23:22]  And her argument was that the war on drugs was a covert means to re-enslave blacks, to reimpose Jim Crow by putting them all in prison.
[00:23:34]  She completely overlooked the fact that the push for stronger drug enforcement has virtually always come from the black community.
[00:23:43]  That's exactly right.
[00:23:44]  Whether it was heroin in the 1950s and 1960s or crack cocaine in the 1980s, Black academics have documented this.
[00:23:54]  Randall Kennedy, James Fortner, Michael Fortner, James Foreman at Yale Law School.
[00:24:01]  It's Blacks who've said, as a member of the Black caucus did with regards to crack, this is the worst oppression our community has experienced since slavery.
[00:24:13]  So the idea that the war on drugs is some kind of plot to get Blacks in prison is simply wrong.
[00:24:21]  It was a response to the fact that drug use and abuse and dependency and the extraordinary destruction of children's lives, of the ability to hold jobs, has hit black communities worse.
[00:24:37]  And that's why police are in those neighborhoods to enforce drug laws.
[00:24:42]  Anybody who's lived with outdoor drug dealing, who knows how to spot how a drug set is constructed to try and avoid being caught by the police, they're very clever about breaking up the various aspects of the transaction.
[00:25:01]  So you can't really find anybody with both drugs and money on them at any given time.
[00:25:07]  But if you live with the awareness that there is outdoor drug dealing going on in your neighborhood, you are living under a system of oppression because violence is implicit always in outdoor drug markets.
[00:25:25]  That's exactly right.
[00:25:26]  Yeah, I mean, these people don't live.
[00:25:28]  This doesn't happen in a vacuum.
[00:25:30]  And there is violence that is almost embedded in the trafficking of drugs.
[00:25:35]  But let me ask you, Heather, kind of a broader question.
[00:25:38]  Has there ever been a categorical pardon in the history of our country where you pardon an entire category of people?
[00:25:46]  I'm just curious.
[00:25:47]  I've never heard of such a thing.
[00:25:50]  Well, usually you're right.
[00:25:51]  It is in, it's individualized.
[00:25:54]  Whether Obama did some of those, I don't know, Trump, you know, he sort of got some misconceptions and lies on his hands as well, because he also signed the Second Chance Act saying that it was a way of fighting back against racist drug enforcement.
[00:26:13]  You know, he sounds like the Democrats.
[00:26:16]  So what we have now, of course, is the same thing as across the board pardons, which is prosecutors that have announced that they're simply not enforcing whole categories of crime, which is an absolute difficulty.
[00:26:33]  What fascinates me, Heather, and I want to talk just kind of the rise in crime about America.
[00:26:37]  It's just, I hope that this gets really repeated on other shows and by other people.
[00:26:43]  So you have the president of the United States that is signing basically a pardon allowing and just saying that widespread drug use is fine or even the trafficking of such drugs, okay, while simultaneously using the FBI to go after people that sing hymns outside of abortion clinics.
[00:26:58]  It could be best described as anarcho-tyranny, as Sam Francis would say.
[00:27:02]  I mean, can you help build that out for us?
[00:27:04]  Because you have the president saying you can do whatever you want when it comes to this particular issue, but if you dare be a dissident to my regime, I'm going to show up.
[00:27:11]  You know, a bunch of guys from the FBI are going to show up at your house.
[00:27:14]  And meanwhile, violent crime is going up in our cities.
[00:27:16]  It's enough to drive you insane.
[00:27:19]  It's very scary and one doesn't know really what to do because we do assume that there will be a strong effort to apply laws neutrally.
[00:27:30]  That is the very essence of what Western freedom has consisted of is the rule of law and the confidence that whether you are viewed as a criminal and convicted will not depend on the political regime in power and that judges are independent of the law, that our law enforcement agencies are independent of politics.
[00:27:59]  And if we lose confidence in that, then we are no different than a third world dictatorship.
[00:28:06]  And the ancients on forward, through our founding fathers, understood that there is no power more terrifying than untrammeled government power.
[00:28:15]  It will be abused.
[00:28:18]  And the tradition of respect for the rule of law was built up with extraordinary effort, extraordinary bloodshed, extraordinary depth of understanding into the darkness of the human soul by the great thinkers of the Western tradition that allowed Western society to flourish, that allowed prosperity to flourish.
[00:28:43]  If we're losing that now, and we have the people that head our law enforcement agencies applying grossly double standards, it's really bad.
[00:28:54]  And I don't have an answer.
[00:28:58]  People have to raise their voices and certainly they have to vote.
[00:29:05]  Yeah, I mean, that's the least of it.
[00:29:07]  I mean, talking about it is important and building consensus and shining a light on it.
[00:29:11]  We can't minimize that, where you have gangbangers that are getting away with murder, literally murder, in the streets of Philadelphia and Chicago, where a majority of those cases remain unsolved.
[00:29:22]  But if you participate in an act of civil disobedience outside of an abortion clinic and sing hymns, the FBI is going to go raid you and categorize you as a domestic terrorist.
[00:29:36]  It really goes to show that the left, it's not that they want, it's not that they want anarchy everywhere.
[00:29:42]  It's that there's certain behaviors and practices that are acceptable, such as medicating yourself.
[00:29:47]  Like, that's fine.
[00:29:48]  Like, just go take Soma, right?
[00:29:49]  Just go live in a Huxleyan world and just go off to the side.
[00:29:53]  But if you are active and if you are a threat to the regime, we will use the tanks against you.

=== Crime vs Systemic Racism (06:28) ===

[00:29:59]  There's a lot there.
[00:30:00]  And quite honestly, I don't even have clarity on it.
[00:30:03]  It's just this constant grinding contradiction.
[00:30:09]  It seems intentional.
[00:30:10]  Okay, Heather McDonald is here.
[00:30:11]  Also, I'm going to just say check out her book, Diversity Delusion.
[00:30:15]  I plug it every time she comes on.
[00:30:16]  It's fabulous.
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[00:30:54]  So Heather, can you just lean into this a little bit more?
[00:30:56]  There is a rise in crime in America, and yet we're being lectured all the time about systemic racism and white supremacy.
[00:31:02]  I hate racializing things.
[00:31:04]  You do too.
[00:31:05]  But also, I don't put up with lies, and you don't either.
[00:31:08]  Is it black on black crime or black crime that is largely responsible for the increase in crime in America right now?
[00:31:14]  Yes, it is.
[00:31:16]  The rate at which the percentage of homicides committed by blacks went up from like 55 to 60 percent last year.
[00:31:26]  Black males between the ages of 10 and 24 die of gun homicide at 25 times the rate of white males.
[00:31:33]  Who's killing them?
[00:31:34]  Not the police, not the cops, and not whites, other blacks.
[00:31:39]  The blacks commit gun homicide at about 25 times the rate of whites in that age group.
[00:31:47]  So this is, I mean, it is astounding.
[00:31:50]  It is completely astounding.
[00:31:51]  In New York City, Blacks are about 22% of the population.
[00:31:55]  They usually commit about three quarters of all shootings.
[00:31:58]  If you add Hispanic shootings to Black shootings, you account for virtually 100% of all shootings.
[00:32:04]  Sadly, the face of violent street crime in today that's drived by shootings and robberies is almost exclusively black and brown, and those are also disproportionately the victims.
[00:32:15]  So you cannot go into a police community meeting in the inner city without hearing those good law-abiding people beg for more police, for more stops, for more arrests of drug dealers, getting the kids off the corners who are fighting.
[00:32:29]  And to pretend that this is somehow a fiction, you know, the left treats crime as a racist fiction.
[00:32:36]  It is not.
[00:32:37]  Don't lie.
[00:32:39]  That's so frustrating.
[00:32:40]  But it's coming to a suburb near you.
[00:32:43]  Well, it already is.
[00:32:43]  Yeah.
[00:32:44]  And Heather, this is what, at least anecdotally, and I'd love your, I mean, you know the data better than I do, but it just seems as if the one-off cruel crimes are increasing.
[00:32:53]  Random joggers, rapes, arson.
[00:32:56]  I mean, this one example here in Georgia of this young 18-year-old football star who is on a date with his girlfriend outside of a Dave and Buster's, shot dead in a mall by two blacks that then flee to South Carolina.
[00:33:08]  I mean, you're nodding in agreement that the kind of cruel one-off crimes are increasing.
[00:33:12]  Tell us about that.
[00:33:13]  Absolutely.
[00:33:14]  The knockout game is back.
[00:33:16]  Wilding is back.
[00:33:17]  We've seen this in subways where these black female teenagers are going around beating up people.
[00:33:24]  They're beating up the elderly.
[00:33:26]  And it is being fed by this narrative.
[00:33:28]  You know, the New York Times is not much read, perhaps, in, you know, 125th Street.
[00:33:37]  Sadly, it is read on the Upper West Side.
[00:33:39]  But I can tell you that the messages that our elites send, and that includes President Biden, which is that this is a white supremacist country, that the police are your enemy.
[00:33:48]  They're only there because they want to put you in prison and oppress you.
[00:33:53]  That message has an effect, and it is breeding hatred.
[00:33:57]  We have been breeding hatred since Obama and before, frankly, but it's gotten worse recently.
[00:34:03]  Obama really can't open his mouth.
[00:34:06]  He has to work very hard at not repeating his favorite theme of the sickness that is in the white American soul, which is racism, and that those messages do matter.
[00:34:17]  And Democrats keep pushing them even into the midterm elections.
[00:34:22]  Really quick, Heather, about a minute remaining.
[00:34:24]  I'm a little rusty.
[00:34:25]  Can you explain wilding to our audience?
[00:34:27]  I think that was mostly a 1980s phenomenon, but now it seems to be back, right?
[00:34:32]  Yeah, it's when youth PACs go around attacking white people.
[00:34:36]  It was replaced by flash mobs.
[00:34:38]  You know, we get those a lot over the summer where in Chicago, for instance, these groups of teens come from the south and west sides and just rampage down the magnificent mile on Michigan Avenue.
[00:34:50]  And even Lori Lightfoot started raising the drawbridges so that they to keep out the invading barbarian hordes, basically.
[00:35:01]  And so there is a sense of impunity when you have prosecutors enforced theft and resisting arrest.
[00:35:10]  They're not going to, you know, force beating up on police officers virtually.
[00:35:15]  That sends a message that we expect you to loot and there's no consequences.
[00:35:20]  I mean, this one example, Elijah DeWitt, 18-year-old football star murdered by two blacks, and we don't even know why.
[00:35:27]  It doesn't seem like it was a robbery.
[00:35:29]  I mean, it's just, it just seems senseless.
[00:35:32]  18-year-old with his whole life in front of him.
[00:35:34]  20 seconds, Heather.
[00:35:36]  Yeah.
[00:35:36]  I mean, we forget that human beings are capable of grotesque safety.
[00:35:40]  That's right.
[00:35:41]  The only thing that restrains that is law and consequences.
[00:35:47]  If you say there's no consequences, people will abuse it, whether it's the government or it's individuals.
[00:35:51]  Yeah, go read something about the 20th century.
[00:35:54]  You could see what human beings are capable of.
[00:35:56]  Just a little bit.
[00:35:56]  Go read the Gulag Archipelago.
[00:35:58]  Heather, thank you so much.
[00:35:59]  That was awesome.
[00:35:59]  Thank you.
[00:36:00]  Thanks, Millennium.
[00:36:02]  It really is maddening what's happening, and it's going to get worse unless we stand up against it.
[00:36:06]  This whole kind of spell they have us under about white supremacy and systemic racism, it's creating paralysis.
[00:36:13]  We can't let it happen.
[00:36:15]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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