The Charlie Kirk Show - Inside the CIA's Secret War Plans Against Julian Assange
Aired: 2022-10-06
Duration: 33:06


=== Julian Assange's Espionage Trial (14:18) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Julian Assange.
[00:00:02]  We haven't really talked about him much on this program at all in the last couple years.
[00:00:07]  We kind of do a deep dive of what is the status of Julian Assange?
[00:00:10]  How should we think about it?
[00:00:10]  I don't really have strong opinions about him either way.
[00:00:13]  You guys can email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:00:15]  Richard Roth joins the program, who is a lawyer representing some people that were illegally spied on when meeting Julian Assange.
[00:00:22]  There's a part of this conversation where Richard Roth mentions that Manning transitioned from a man to a woman.
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[00:00:44]  So just understand I kept my mouth shut because I thought we were having a pretty good conversation about the topic at hand, but just reinforcing my views on that.
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[00:02:08]  We have a very exciting guest coming up and a topic that I don't think we've ever covered, which is the story of Julian Assange.
[00:02:16]  And I'll be very honest.
[00:02:17]  I know very little about the details of this.
[00:02:19]  I know the generalities.
[00:02:20]  I just have really never had a chance to dive into Assange and kind of all the drama around it.
[00:02:27]  And it's an extraordinary story.
[00:02:30]  And kind of what did he do and what laws did he break and where did he get his information from?
[00:02:36]  And how does that overlap with Hillary Clinton and WikiLeaks?
[00:02:39]  And there's all sorts of questions when it comes to that.
[00:02:43]  And so who we have on our program coming up is not Assange's lawyer, but someone who is representing the journalists and the lawyers who met with Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, who were illegally surveilled meeting with Julian Assange.
[00:03:03]  And so he's the lawyer suing the CIA.
[00:03:07]  And I also, you know, when Mr. Roth comes on our program, Richard Roth, I'm going to ask him just as kind of a primer on Julian Assange because there's a lot of information about it that I need to be caught up to date on.
[00:03:19]  I think some of you in the audience will as well.
[00:03:21]  Maybe you're totally caught up with it, but there's a lot of moving pieces here.
[00:03:24]  It's very, very complicated and quite honestly, very dramatic in more ways than one.
[00:03:30]  And we know the kind of nefarious activity of the deep state, of the FBI, of the Department of Justice, and it also includes the Central Intelligence Agency.
[00:03:40]  And here's a good kind of primer on this.
[00:03:42]  It's a Reuters story from last year.
[00:03:45]  Kidnapping, assassination, and a London shootout inside the secret war plans against WikiLeaks.
[00:03:52]  It's amazing.
[00:03:53]  And then, actually, this is a Reuters story where it says CIA sued over alleged spying on lawyers and journalists who met Assange.
[00:04:01]  So, basically, if I understand the facts correctly, there was a meeting that happened at the Ecuadorian embassy in London where then the CIA illegally spied, allegedly, on these journalists and these lawyers that went to go meet with Julian Assange through a series of meetings.
[00:04:19]  And it's kind of revealed then that the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, had all these plans to kidnap and potentially assassinate Julian Assange.
[00:04:28]  In 2017, as Julian Assange began his fifth-year holdup in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, the CIA plotted to kidnap the Wikileaks founder and spurring heated debate among Trump administration's officials over the legality and practicality of such an operation.
[00:04:44]  Some senior officials inside the CIA and the Trump administration even discussed killing Assange, going so far as to request sketches or options of how to assassinate him.
[00:04:54]  So with us now is Richard Roth, business litigator and trial attorney, and also suing the CIA for illegal surveillance of Julian Assange, of which I'm ready to learn a lot about this story.
[00:05:04]  Richard, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:05:07]  Hey, Charlie, thank you for having me.
[00:05:08]  I appreciate it.
[00:05:09]  Thank you.
[00:05:09]  So Richard, I'm going to ask you just to kind of educate our audience a little bit on, again, who is Julian Assange?
[00:05:15]  What did he do?
[00:05:16]  Just some of the backstory around him.
[00:05:17]  We have some younger listeners that weren't really watching the news as this was all kind of frontline news.
[00:05:22]  So walk us through that.
[00:05:24]  Sure.
[00:05:24]  It's a very interesting, complicated story.
[00:05:28]  Let me simplify for those for your listeners and you want to.
[00:05:32]  Julian Assange is an individual who has a company called WikiLeaks.
[00:05:35]  WikiLeaks does nothing other than publish material.
[00:05:38]  It's the New York Times, CNN, it's font.
[00:05:41]  It publishes material.
[00:05:42]  That's all it does.
[00:05:43]  Years ago, a guy sent it to material from a couple of people who were working at the NSA, Kelsey Manning and a couple others, and received and published.
[00:05:55]  It was pretty bad material.
[00:05:56]  It basically showed videos where the army was killing innocent Aronovi.
[00:06:02]  For that, the government did not like that.
[00:06:06]  And the government decided that it wanted to extrado to him under what's called the Espionage Act.
[00:06:11]  Notwithstanding the fact that he received the material, he didn't do anything illegal.
[00:06:14]  He received it.
[00:06:15]  Don't give them your time to receive stuff about, you name it, you name the issue.
[00:06:21]  So he actually took asylum in Ecuador, in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, because he did not want to be extradited to the U.S. because he was very concerned that the U.S. would essentially try him and potentially convict him under this crazy espionage act.
[00:06:35]  The same act that Rand Paul said two weeks ago, Donald Trump should be abolished and Donald Trump shouldn't be subject to and let it logo fiasco.
[00:06:46]  So he's been sitting in Ecuador for seven years.
[00:06:49]  That's sort of the basics of it.
[00:06:52]  And he's been sort of confined in his own jail.
[00:06:55]  I'm sorry, in the Ecuadorian embassy, not in Ecuador.
[00:06:58]  I withdraw that.
[00:06:59]  Got it.
[00:06:59]  The Ecuadorian embassy in London.
[00:07:01]  So he's been in London.
[00:07:02]  He was in London for seven years.
[00:07:03]  About a year ago, a little over a year ago, actually two years ago, COVID makes us forget what happened.
[00:07:10]  The Ecuadorians took, literally physically removed him from the embassy, brought him to a jail in London, and he has had an extradition trial.
[00:07:20]  An extradition trial was a trial to extradite him to the U.S., which he was really a hearing, which he lost.
[00:07:26]  And it's up on appeal.
[00:07:27]  And there's a very good case he will be brought to the U.S. There's an indictment that was unsealed by, which essentially tries to indict him for violations of this Espionage Act, which essentially was to assist in the taking of confidential information illegally.
[00:07:50]  And that's a tough sale for the government because to date, to my knowledge, there's absolutely no evidence of any taking.
[00:07:58]  That's essentially the very simple background.
[00:08:00]  Well, and then also, wasn't Manning pardoned by Obama, the giver of the information?
[00:08:05]  Is that correct?
[00:08:07]  Correct.
[00:08:07]  Now, Manning, unlike Assamese, Manning took the information.
[00:08:12]  If you're working for the federal government, you illegally take things.
[00:08:14]  You should be.
[00:08:16]  Sort of funny what's going on with Marlago now, but you should be at least looked into.
[00:08:20]  Okay.
[00:08:21]  And he was, Manning actually was a man, is now a woman converted.
[00:08:26]  Chelsea Manning, her name is, is a, was indicted, was convicted, and was went to jail for several years and was pardoned by Obama in one of the last acts that Obama did.
[00:08:39]  So she did spend time in jail and she was pardoned.
[00:08:42]  The other one is a guy named Edward Snowden, who never spent time in jail.
[00:08:47]  He did steal, allegedly steal information from the government.
[00:08:50]  He was indicted, but he fled.
[00:08:51]  And I believe he's in either Asia or Russia now.
[00:08:54]  Snowden.
[00:08:55]  Snowden's in Russia.
[00:08:56]  Yeah.
[00:08:57]  Yeah, in Russia.
[00:08:58]  So they're respected the two bad guys.
[00:09:00]  Got it.
[00:09:03]  Hey, Charlie Kirk here.
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[00:10:01]  We just got an email.
[00:10:02]  They said, I'm very interested in learning more about Julian Assange as well.
[00:10:04]  I didn't care years ago, but now I certainly do.
[00:10:06]  Richard Roth is here, who is an attorney for some people that went to go meet with Julian Assange, journalists and lawyers that were then spied on.
[00:10:13]  Walk us through that.
[00:10:14]  So he's in the Ecuadorian embassy.
[00:10:17]  And then we're in the Ecuadorian embassy.
[00:10:21]  Let me just make one comment on what you said.
[00:10:23]  Even if my argument is, even if Julian Assange actually told these people to go out and get bad stuff, that's still not a crime.
[00:10:31]  That's what the press does every day.
[00:10:32]  But let's go to the embassy.
[00:10:34]  Let's go to the embassy and that'll come out.
[00:10:36]  And what I'm concerned about there is that any investigative reporter who says to a whistleblower or somebody that email or I need that part of it or I need that letter, that's not illegal.
[00:10:48]  But let's go, let's go to my case in particular.
[00:10:51]  I promise that's been a rupture, but I think it's just distinguish between the press and investigative reporting and someone taking information, which is what Manning and Snowden did.
[00:11:01]  So what happened was while he was in the embassy for close to seven years, people went to visit him.
[00:11:08]  People went, his doctors, his lawyers, his friends, his colleagues.
[00:11:13]  And when you went to the embassy, they had a protocol.
[00:11:16]  You had to actually give the embassy security, your phone, your tablet, your laptop, everything you had had to go to them before you walked in to meet Assange, which sounds okay.
[00:11:29]  They don't want any kind of tape recording device or everything.
[00:11:31]  That makes sense.
[00:11:32]  So what we learned from a litigation in Spain was that the embassy wasn't just holding your cell phone, your tablet, your laptop while you were in meeting.
[00:11:43]  They were imaging it.
[00:11:45]  So they literally image the entire phone laptop of people that went in.
[00:11:54]  And think about it.
[00:11:55]  The Ecuadorian government did that?
[00:11:57]  Well, here's what happened.
[00:11:58]  The Ecuadorian government hired a company called UC Global.
[00:12:01]  UC Global had essentially formed a, became essentially an agent of the CIA because what these UC Global employees started saying is, listen, why am I doing this?
[00:12:12]  And we have affidavits at UC Global people saying, why am I doing this and sending it to Washington?
[00:12:16]  Why am I imaging it, saying it to Washington?
[00:12:18]  The second thing they did, which is as abhorrent, is when you went to meet with Julian Assange, they had hidden microphones and cameras.
[00:12:27]  So not only were they taking information, but they were listening and watching.
[00:12:32]  And think about it.
[00:12:33]  Think of who went to visit Julian Assange.
[00:12:35]  First and foremost, his own lawyer in the criminal defense of the U.S. case.
[00:12:40]  So Julian Assange is meeting with his lawyer, trying to discuss defenses to his case, U.S. government breaking court.
[00:12:50]  And they are, the CIA is literally listening in on those conversations in Washington and quite frankly, in Maryland.
[00:13:00]  And we know all of this because there's a litigation in Spain where all of this was determined by people that worked at UC Global.
[00:13:08]  So not only is it a violation of the Fourth Amendment, because you have no right to search and see the search warrant, no judge warrant, and they are U.S. citizens, but it's also a violation of the attorney client privilege.
[00:13:22]  Think about the information they have.
[00:13:23]  They have information that he went when doctors came.
[00:13:25]  They have doctor patient privilege documents.
[00:13:28]  They have information from journalists when journalists came and met him and interviewed him and were trying to find out what the stories were.
[00:13:35]  So the CIA through UC Global had the massive database of information of Julian Assange without ever getting a search warrant.
[00:13:44]  And that's the base of this lawsuit.
[00:13:45]  The lawsuit that we brought is not brought by Julian Assange.
[00:13:49]  It was brought by the individuals that went in, lawyers that went in to see Julian Assange, who would believe they were protected by the Fourth Amendment, by the attorney client privilege.
[00:13:57]  Journalists, we have doctors that went in.
[00:14:00]  And it's just not right.
[00:14:01]  If you think something illegal is going on, you got to get a search warrant.
[00:14:05]  And why should the CIA be any different than the rest of us?
[00:14:08]  And that's essentially what this case is about.
[00:14:10]  Why would the Ecuadorian government give him asylum while also simultaneously working with companies to image him and spy on him?

=== CIA Database Lawsuit Explained (04:03) ===

[00:14:18]  That doesn't make any sense.
[00:14:20]  Well, you're right.
[00:14:21]  It doesn't.
[00:14:21]  Well, let's talk about timing.
[00:14:22]  So they gave him asylum in, I want to say, 2015, 2016, a long time ago.
[00:14:28]  And as he's understand something, it's a pretty big disruption.
[00:14:33]  The Ecuador Embassy is maybe the size of, you know, four offices, got two floors.
[00:14:37]  All of a sudden, you have somebody living there for five years.
[00:14:40]  So I think what happened, my belief is over time, they said, okay, you know, you can have asylum for a week.
[00:14:47]  People can take asylum for a day, for a week, for a month.
[00:14:50]  But after five years, I think it was very intrusive.
[00:14:54]  And I do believe from the evidence we have, the affidavits, that people at UC Global who came in to become security actually started gathering this information.
[00:15:04]  But you're right.
[00:15:04]  It doesn't make sense, but for the fact he was there for so long.
[00:15:08]  Okay.
[00:15:09]  Very important story here that I think is going to be front and center very soon.
[00:15:13]  But it is, it is ask a very, it's a ask a very important philosophical and legal question, which is, what is the CIA doing if you travel abroad, if you're meeting abroad, if you're doing business abroad?
[00:15:25]  What are they allowed to do or not allowed to do?
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[00:16:32]  So then enter in your clients.
[00:16:34]  They go to meet at an Ecuadorian embassy.
[00:16:38]  So I guess the first question I have, Richard, is: do your Fourth Amendment rights apply when you're international on foreign land?
[00:16:46]  Is the CIA able to do whatever they want to, or do your constitutional rights know no barriers as long as it's your government doing the work?
[00:16:52]  So very, very good question.
[00:16:54]  They apply to U.S. citizens.
[00:16:56]  Assange, by the way, is not a U.S. citizen, to your point before I go on.
[00:16:59]  Yeah, he's in Australian.
[00:17:00]  But as far as U.S. citizens go, they do apply to U.S. citizens.
[00:17:03]  U.S. citizens have the, if you will, the Bill of Rights, the constitutional rights when they're not on U.S. soil.
[00:17:10]  So you can't go to an American and just the government can't just go into their home and take whatever they want without a valid search warrant.
[00:17:19]  So good question.
[00:17:21]  Something we had to look into.
[00:17:22]  But yes, it does apply to U.S. citizens who are on foreign soil.
[00:17:27]  So, yeah, I mean, I guess the question, but the way they get around that is they just rely on five eyes, right?
[00:17:32]  They'll just have another government do it for them, or they'll use a company that does it for them.
[00:17:36]  So then they're able to, I mean, that would be their defense against your lawsuit, right?
[00:17:40]  The government's going to say, no, it was just the company that was doing this, right?
[00:17:43]  That's what they said.
[00:17:45]  But what happened was the reason why this case was commenced was because there's this law that I mentioned in Spain, which has been very heavily covered by El Paiz, which is one of the largest Spanish newspapers, which essentially is very similar, except for obviously it's not U.S. citizens and it's not under the Constitution, but it's essentially an action against Pompeo, against the CIA, and against others for illegally spying.
[00:18:11]  And there are several witnesses who have come to that who testified either live or by affidavit, who have said that essentially this is what they were told to do.

=== Proving Government Hacking Claims (07:23) ===

[00:18:22]  So what the CIA did do was exactly what you said.
[00:18:24]  They tried to have UC Global do it for them.
[00:18:27]  But in this instance, they were caught.
[00:18:30]  I mean, they really were caught.
[00:18:31]  They outsourced the violation of constitutional rights to just some third-party company.
[00:18:36]  And so that's exactly right.
[00:18:38]  Yeah, I guess another question I have here is this also violates lawyer confidentiality beyond that.
[00:18:45]  And I guess this does beg the question: how often does the CIA do this if they felt so empowered to act on this?
[00:18:54]  I mean, how often are they violating Americans' constitutional rights abroad, or God forbid, domestically?
[00:19:00]  You know, maybe an internal optimist.
[00:19:03]  I'm hoping it's not often.
[00:19:04]  I'm hoping that they don't.
[00:19:06]  The problem here is that it really was an extraordinary set of circumstances.
[00:19:11]  When Mike Pompeo came into be the director of the CIA, in his very first speech, he said that WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are non-state hostile intelligence, is a non-state hostile intelligence service.
[00:19:27]  That's what Wikileaks.
[00:19:28]  He called Assange a coward, narcissist, and fraud.
[00:19:32]  He really took aim at him right when he right when he came into office, and right when he got his appointment, and I believe it was in April of 2017.
[00:19:42]  So he went right at him and he essentially said, We're going to take down Wikileaks.
[00:19:49]  The irony is that Wikileaks is the entity that helped Trump, if you remember, get elected.
[00:19:54]  No, that's what's so ironic.
[00:19:56]  Yeah, he wouldn't have been selected.
[00:19:58]  They basically got these again legally or obtained, presumably legally.
[00:20:04]  I mean, I don't know, but there's no allegation they took them illegally.
[00:20:07]  They got it.
[00:20:09]  Let's remember they got all of Podesta's emails in connection with the Democratic National Convention, and he publicized them.
[00:20:17]  And it really slammed Hillary big time.
[00:20:19]  And I'm not saying it's the reason why Trump got elected, but certainly it helped in the whole narrative that Hillary was a crook and that the Democrats shouldn't win.
[00:20:28]  So why Pompeo was after him beats me, but he made it very well known in April 2017.
[00:20:35]  He wants to bring Julian Assange down.
[00:20:36]  And in fact, you mentioned that there have been reports, I know nothing of it, and I don't know the truth of it, that there was an attempt to assassinate them because he actually is publishing highly secret information.
[00:20:52]  So it's a very interesting case.
[00:20:56]  What concerns me the most, they're both interesting, mine and his criminal case.
[00:21:00]  What concerns me the most is that it really, if a publisher is not allowed to go out and legally obtain information, that really will stifle the First Amendment.
[00:21:11]  It'll stifle investigative journalism.
[00:21:13]  There's a lot of journalists and there's a huge coalition of people and organizations that are backing a summit that are saying unless the government proves that he actually took information, he actually hacked, or his company actually hacked, then they can't convict him because they go and tell someone, hey, get me, if I were to say someone, hey, can I have download Trump's tax returns for 2015 or 2017, and they come to me, there's nothing illegal about that.
[00:21:41]  And that's essentially what's going on.
[00:21:43]  Yeah, the New York Times did actually publish Trump's tax returns.
[00:21:46]  We don't know how they got them.
[00:21:48]  The IRS.
[00:21:49]  Remember that it was Maggie Haberman that she had a four-day four-day period.
[00:21:56]  Now, is that illegal if she got them?
[00:21:58]  Well, I mean, I don't know.
[00:21:59]  I mean, the question is who maybe the IRS broke their regulations because they're not supposed to divulge them.
[00:22:06]  But no, the journalist shouldn't be held accountable for that.
[00:22:09]  But it's interesting because there's other cases of journalists like Project Veritas where they raid the apartment for very similar activity there.
[00:22:16]  So I guess in closing here, your clients are journalists and lawyers.
[00:22:20]  And what damages are they alleging here besides just violation of constitutional rights, I suppose?
[00:22:28]  So damages are the monetary damage are really up to experts.
[00:22:33]  We're not at that stage yet.
[00:22:34]  We just commenced the case.
[00:22:35]  But certainly one form of damage is to A, enjoin the government from ever doing this again.
[00:22:42]  B, get everything back.
[00:22:45]  They don't have a right.
[00:22:46]  By the way, is the wife of Kunstler, the famous lawyer in the Chicago 7.
[00:22:52]  He passed away years ago.
[00:22:54]  It's his wife.
[00:22:55]  She went in to see a fund on infrared.
[00:22:58]  And can you imagine?
[00:22:59]  Not only do they have the communication she had with Assange, but they have her computer laptop communications or documents she has with other lawyers.
[00:23:08]  I'm sorry, other clients.
[00:23:09]  So the second thing is to get everything back.
[00:23:12]  We don't want the government to have any of this.
[00:23:14]  And we really want to break a court here.
[00:23:18]  We want the citizens to know that if in fact these people did nothing other than visit him, and if in fact all he did was publish information he obtained, then where's the where's what did they do wrong and where's his crime?
[00:23:35]  If it's determined that Assange hacked and did something illegal, absolutely he should be in prison.
[00:23:43]  But he's been in mandatory maximum security in London for the last two years as a publisher.
[00:23:52]  It's insane what's going on.
[00:23:54]  Well, I think it's more about what he published than whether or not he published it.
[00:23:58]  I think that's really, they're coming after him to kind of set an example of anyone who dares.
[00:24:03]  publish information from the Central Intelligence Agency, we're going to destroy your life.
[00:24:08]  And I mean, what about the New York Times, the Pentagon papers?
[00:24:11]  The New York Times is still selling.
[00:24:12]  Yeah, well, the New York Times is very helpful to a lot of people.
[00:24:15]  That's my theory.
[00:24:16]  I think Julian Assange is a wild card.
[00:24:18]  He's offended.
[00:24:19]  Like you said, a lot of people blame him for Hillary not being president, which there's a lot of pent-up frustration towards him.
[00:24:26]  Richard Roth, this is a lot of people.
[00:24:27]  I don't know if I agree with him in theory, but there are people that blame.
[00:24:30]  No, I'm just saying people are definitely upset about it, regardless of the opinion on it.
[00:24:33]  Richard Roth, thank you so much.
[00:24:34]  Very interesting.
[00:24:34]  Thank you.
[00:24:35]  Thank you for having me.
[00:24:36]  Email us your thoughts.
[00:24:37]  Freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:24:39]  I find that to be a very important story.
[00:24:40]  We're going to keep an eye on it.
[00:24:41]  And look, there's people in our audience that are emailing us saying that Assange is a hero.
[00:24:45]  He's a traitor.
[00:24:46]  I mean, based on everything that Richard just said, he just seems like a publisher.
[00:24:49]  There's more to the story.
[00:24:50]  I'm willing to learn about it.
[00:24:51]  Not something I'm willing to go either way on.
[00:24:53]  But I certainly don't trust the Central Intelligence Agency, Five Eyes, the FBI, Department of Justice, especially after what we have seen recently, especially after this, by the way.
[00:25:02]  Reminder, let's just remember Cut 18.
[00:25:05]  This is the same DHS, State Department, CIA kind of conglomeration, right?
[00:25:10]  That has hit lists and enemies lists of people that dare speak out against the regime.
[00:25:15]  Play Cut 18.
[00:25:16]  The Biden administration is now giving millions of your tax dollars to private groups that then turn around and target and censor social media posts that they deem misinformation.
[00:25:28]  Yeah, listen, what happened is the government in the form of the Department of Homeland Security and the State Department made a deal with a consortium called the Election Integrity Partnership.
[00:25:38]  And the goal was to outsource the job of censoring social media during the final four months of the 2020 election.

=== Fighting For True Equity (05:23) ===

[00:25:45]  That is our government that takes millions of dollars to then go censor an enemies list.
[00:25:51]  It's extraordinary.
[00:25:53]  I've been meaning to get to this story for a couple days.
[00:25:57]  I don't know if we have time to really build it out.
[00:25:59]  Oh, but I think until this becomes out of the news cycle, I got to hit this story.
[00:26:04]  I have to.
[00:26:05]  Okay.
[00:26:05]  So Kamala Harris has been just on a complete bender the last couple of days.
[00:26:09]  I mean, she is just all over the place talking about how she likes Venn diagrams, confusing North and South Korea.
[00:26:15]  Also, do we have that clip of her talking about how psychically it changes?
[00:26:21]  She really has the Joe Biden skill of communication.
[00:26:24]  Kamala Harris does.
[00:26:25]  She has a gift.
[00:26:26]  I mean, it's amazing.
[00:26:28]  And again, it's Cut 85.
[00:26:30]  This is amazing.
[00:26:30]  Play Cut 85.
[00:26:32]  And I've seen how they use that capital to hire people from the community, to open a new storefront on the main street.
[00:26:42]  The whole community benefits in one way or another, economically, not to mention psychically, from their presence.
[00:26:52]  Psychically.
[00:26:54]  By the way, have you noticed when Kamala Harris talks, she has like a blast radius of her arms.
[00:26:59]  No one is safe within like 10 feet.
[00:27:02]  Boom, boom, boom, boom.
[00:27:04]  You got to like just vacate the room.
[00:27:07]  Why is she talking in jive?
[00:27:09]  I mean, just enough.
[00:27:10]  Seriously.
[00:27:11]  She always does this.
[00:27:12]  Just speak very clearly.
[00:27:14]  Ridiculous.
[00:27:15]  Anyway, so she's been talking about equity a lot lately.
[00:27:17]  And it's a very important point.
[00:27:18]  And I'm going to try to talk about this again tomorrow on the program as we do at DeSantis thing.
[00:27:22]  But we just had some other stuff that we had to cover today that was really important, including the Chinese Communist Party basically controlling poll worker data in our country, controlling or hosting, which is this question of equity.
[00:27:35]  And when I talk to normies, when I talk to moderates, when I talk to people in the middle, and if you guys listen to this program, it's great.
[00:27:40]  I'm glad you do.
[00:27:41]  Some people say, well, Charlie, we need to try to level the playing field.
[00:27:44]  Okay.
[00:27:45]  Well, let's talk about what that might be.
[00:27:47]  Equity is one of the most dangerous concepts that is being introduced to the top levels of our government.
[00:27:53]  And I'm going to tell you what equity looks like when it comes to hurricane disaster relief, because then Kamala Harris talks about equity.
[00:27:59]  So we'll talk about that.
[00:28:00]  What does that look like in practice?
[00:28:03]  What does that look like once you implement equity?
[00:28:08]  These ideas that start in your elementary school classroom with six-year-olds are then now being run potentially by FEMA.
[00:28:14]  Now, it hasn't been run yet as policy, but wait till I tell you what Cammie has to say about equity and Hurricane Ian.
[00:28:21]  Email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:28:25]  Okay, so I want to tell you guys about this clip with Kamala Harris.
[00:28:29]  So Kamala Harris talks about we need equity.
[00:28:32]  So Camela Harris comes out and says that the way we need to respond to Hurricane Aid should be through equity, should be distributed based on color and economic status.
[00:28:43]  Play cut 12.
[00:28:45]  On the point that you made about disparities, it is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions.
[00:28:58]  And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity, understanding that we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding not everyone starts out at the same place.
[00:29:11]  And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those disparities.
[00:29:16]  You see how she differentiates equality and equity?
[00:29:18]  She knows the difference.
[00:29:19]  By the way, what is with this kind of new cadence that they teach them to speak with?
[00:29:24]  It started with Obama, and it's so condescending and smug as if they're scolding you because we ought to take into account that not everyone, it's just, can you just talk in a straight line all the way through without having to chop it up?
[00:29:40]  Anyway, drives me nuts.
[00:29:42]  And then her arms flailing all over the place.
[00:29:45]  What is the difference?
[00:29:47]  Equity is forced redistribution.
[00:29:49]  That's what it is.
[00:29:50]  We should stand for equality.
[00:29:53]  We should stand for equality of opportunity.
[00:29:55]  And of course, most important, equal rights.
[00:29:58]  We're all the same sort of thing.
[00:29:59]  We're speaking beings.
[00:30:00]  We have a soul.
[00:30:01]  We're made in the image of God.
[00:30:04]  We are not a mistake of evolution.
[00:30:07]  We are not a roll of the dice.
[00:30:10]  We are created.
[00:30:11]  We believe that on this program.
[00:30:12]  And so, therefore, you should have equal rights: right to consciousness, right to property, right to earn, right to lose, right to trade, right to barter, the right to defend yourself, the right to build a life, the right to flourish.
[00:30:27]  These rights cannot be taken away from government or they should not be allowed to be taken away from government.
[00:30:32]  Government is there to protect your rights, not give you rights.
[00:30:36]  That is the natural rights doctrine.
[00:30:39]  So that's equality.
[00:30:40]  Equity is something completely different.
[00:30:43]  Equity is taking away people's stuff based on some sort of socioeconomic group.
[00:30:51]  Kamala Harris has now become the jive-speaking spokesperson of equity.
[00:30:55]  Play Cut 102.
[00:30:56]  We'd like to talk about the second gentleman for a second.
[00:30:58]  Is that okay?
[00:31:00]  Because so, second gentleman, Doug.

=== Venn Diagram Of Natural Rights (01:57) ===

[00:31:09]  She's worse than Hillary in some ways.
[00:31:12]  And so then she goes on this whole tangent about equity and Venn diagrams.
[00:31:18]  What?
[00:31:19]  Play Cut 103.
[00:31:21]  I've actually asked my team to do a Venn diagram.
[00:31:23]  I love Venn diagrams.
[00:31:25]  I just love Venn diagrams.
[00:31:27]  You know, the three circles, right?
[00:31:28]  Sometimes there are more.
[00:31:29]  I can think of maybe three situations in the last year where a Venn diagram would apply.
[00:31:36]  So let me get this one.
[00:31:37]  You have on the right Russia.
[00:31:40]  You have on the left, Ukraine, and you have on the middle, America.
[00:31:45]  And the overlap between America and Russia is that we both have natural gas.
[00:31:50]  Ooh, we can fill that in.
[00:31:53]  And the overlap between America and Ukraine is we both have abortion on demand and transgenderism everywhere.
[00:32:01]  Here you go, Madam Vice President.
[00:32:04]  Here's your Venn diagram.
[00:32:06]  Wow.
[00:32:08]  We do have a lot in common there.
[00:32:12]  I'm more and more convinced that we should never impeach Joe Biden.
[00:32:16]  I think it's a very bad idea.
[00:32:18]  It's the be careful what you wish for thing.
[00:32:21]  Go impeach Maorkis and Garland and Ray.
[00:32:24]  And I think that was all part of the selection.
[00:32:26]  When they decided who they wanted as vice president, they selected the greatest Joe Biden insurance policy ever, which is people are going to stop short of the 25th Amendment, stop short of impeachment, stop short of removing Joe Biden as soon as they hear Kamala Harris.
[00:32:44]  It must have been the criteria in selecting her as Vice President of the United States.
[00:32:52]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:32:53]  Email me your thoughts as always.
[00:32:54]  Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
[00:32:56]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:32:57]  God bless.
[00:33:02]  For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.