The Charlie Kirk Show - The Political Persecution of MAGA with Paul Manafort and Kevin Kiley
Aired: 2022-09-20
Duration: 35:56


=== California Election Hope (10:43) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Paul Manafort, political prisoner, joins us and Kevin Kiley, who looks like he's going to be a new congressman from California.
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[00:01:14]  Gavin Newsom is making headlines.
[00:01:16]  I believe Gavin Newsome is going to run for president and he's going to be the Democrat nominee in 2024.
[00:01:22]  I've said that for quite some time.
[00:01:24]  He could raise money and he knows kind of how to play the game.
[00:01:28]  Joe Biden had an interview with 60 Minutes where he said, I haven't made my mind up of whether or not I'm going to run in 2024.
[00:01:37]  I believe they're going to indict Hunter Biden after the midterms to try to make it seem as if the FBI is, let's just say, non-political on some sort of paperwork stuff, but there's some deeper stuff that obviously ties him to the big man.
[00:01:48]  And then there's going to be a meeting with Joe Biden where they blackmail Joe Biden into not running in 2024 because he's incredibly beatable.
[00:01:55]  He'll serve out his entire first term.
[00:01:57]  The question, of course, will be, where does Cammie fall into all of this?
[00:02:01]  California is very important.
[00:02:02]  We can't take our eyes off California.
[00:02:03]  It's the largest state.
[00:02:05]  And it just frustrates me greatly what these cockroaches have done to the beautiful state of California.
[00:02:10]  Joining us now is Kevin Kiley.
[00:02:12]  He's running for Congress.
[00:02:13]  He's a great American patriot.
[00:02:15]  And he joins us right now.
[00:02:16]  Kevin, welcome back to the show.
[00:02:18]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:02:19]  Great to be with you, as always.
[00:02:20]  First, how's your race going?
[00:02:21]  Your race is kind of a bellwether.
[00:02:22]  If you can win it, it'll be very good for the country.
[00:02:24]  How's your race going?
[00:02:26]  That's right.
[00:02:26]  It's going really well.
[00:02:27]  I think we're on track.
[00:02:28]  It's going to be a competitive race.
[00:02:30]  I'm running against someone who has been a full-fledged supporter of the Biden and Pelosi agenda.
[00:02:35]  And it's a seat we've really got to win in order to take the majority in the House.
[00:02:38]  So we're on our way, but it's going to be a battle here because they're throwing everything they can at us.
[00:02:42]  So, yeah, what is the composition of the district of which you're running in?
[00:02:46]  It covers about 10 different counties in the population centers, Placer County, some of the suburbs of Sacramento.
[00:02:53]  It includes Lake Tahoe and actually goes all the way down to Death Valley.
[00:02:56]  So it's a massive district about the size of West Virginia.
[00:02:59]  No, but what?
[00:03:00]  So is it an R plus three or is it just about an R plus four?
[00:03:04]  It's an R plus four.
[00:03:05]  And are you running up against the Democrat then in your, because it's a goofy system, right?
[00:03:11]  Is it two Republicans or is it two Democrats?
[00:03:13]  That's me against a Democrat.
[00:03:14]  Yeah.
[00:03:15]  So it's, you know, it's a crazy system, but it kind of emerged in a normal way this time.
[00:03:18]  Well, based on what you're telling me, then you should be just, you know, you should be great if the trends continue.
[00:03:23]  In your district, what are the people really focused on?
[00:03:26]  Is inflation a big issue?
[00:03:27]  Immigration?
[00:03:27]  Talk about that.
[00:03:28]  Yeah, I mean, inflation, number one, as well as the other problems plaguing our economy like that right now, like the fact that we still can't get people to work to staff small businesses.
[00:03:38]  Certainly, immigration is very high on the list.
[00:03:41]  And then public safety as well, you know, and homelessness.
[00:03:44]  We're seeing rising crime rates, the deterioration of our communities all around us.
[00:03:48]  And this is what Gavin Newsom now wants to export to the rest of America.
[00:03:51]  So talk about that.
[00:03:52]  Gavin Newsom seems to have, let's just say, national ambitions.
[00:03:56]  He has adequately screwed up your state and messed it up into oblivion.
[00:04:00]  What is Gavin Newsom's, I guess, plan right now?
[00:04:03]  He's challenged Ron DeSantis to a debate.
[00:04:06]  I don't think that would go very well for him.
[00:04:07]  Your thoughts?
[00:04:09]  Well, I don't think it would go well at all.
[00:04:10]  I mean, it would be a very clear choice.
[00:04:12]  Do you want to live in the state that everyone is leaving or do you want to live in the state that people are moving to?
[00:04:17]  Gavin Newsom has brought California to a breaking point.
[00:04:20]  We had for 170 straight years of our state's history, more people were coming to California than we're leaving.
[00:04:25]  It took Gavin Newsom taking office to reverse that trend.
[00:04:28]  So now we have a net outflow of people.
[00:04:31]  But what is a Gavin Newsom up to?
[00:04:32]  Well, yeah, he's just trying to get his name in the headlines, build his profile, hoe of recamp.
[00:04:36]  That's what he's been doing from the beginning of his governorship, by the way.
[00:04:39]  He does all these sort of desperate gambits and poys from the moment that he took office.
[00:04:44]  As soon as COVID-19 started, he viewed this as a huge PR opportunity.
[00:04:48]  And our entire COVID policy was crafted around the objective of getting him in the headlines and building his national profile as much as possible.
[00:04:56]  And that's why he insisted on having one man rule.
[00:04:59]  You could get in the headlines faster if you could just rule things by fiat.
[00:05:02]  And so this has been something we've had to deal with for quite some time.
[00:05:05]  It frustrates even Democrats in our legislature that he doesn't even bother to deal with them in a lot of cases.
[00:05:11]  He just wants to go straight to the news cameras.
[00:05:13]  And it's, you know, but no secret either that the end game has all along been an eventual presidential run, which it seems he's nearing closer to every day.
[00:05:23]  So talk about, if elected to Congress, kind of what your focus will be.
[00:05:26]  Something that I'm pushing every Republican running for Congress is to make sure there's some sort of oversight of these 87,000 IRS agents.
[00:05:34]  In fact, trying to get rid of them.
[00:05:35]  Is it going to be your intent to try to get rid of these 87,000 IRS agents if you go into Congress?
[00:05:41]  Oh, of course.
[00:05:41]  I mean, and certainly to rein them in from ruining, you know, from harassing people, millions and millions of Americans.
[00:05:48]  And, you know, that's just a starting point.
[00:05:49]  I mean, if we get the majority in the House, then it's a whole new ballgame because we then have the power to call oversight hearings, to call agency officials to come and testify, to provide proper oversight of what all of these agencies are doing.
[00:06:03]  And so it will, in a major way, put the brakes on this train wreck of an administration that we're dealing with.
[00:06:09]  And so I think that needs to be the first priority is, you know, just reining in the Biden administration in every way possible.
[00:06:15]  And we then need to offer our own constructive vision for how we can get the economy turned around, how we can get the country turned around, how we can, you know, rein in inflation, how we can, you know, reverse the disastrous open border policies that Biden has introduced and so forth.
[00:06:30]  And that'll set us up well, I think, for 2024.
[00:06:32]  So, you know, I want to talk a little bit more about California here, which is, you know, something that frustrates a lot of people, where California has kind of fallen.
[00:06:43]  Do you think we could flip some other seats here in California, get some Democrats out of the way?
[00:06:48]  What are some other races in California that you're looking at on the House congressional side?
[00:06:52]  Sure.
[00:06:52]  I mean, we have a handful of races where I think we've got a great shot at beating incumbents.
[00:06:56]  Scott Baugh is running a very strong campaign against KP Porter in Orange County.
[00:07:01]  You have an open seat kind of a little south of Sacramento that was kind of viewed as a fairly safe Democrat seat, but actually the Republican vote was stronger in the primary.
[00:07:11]  John Duarte is the candidate there.
[00:07:14]  Even Congresswoman Brownlee has a very strong opponent in Matt Jacobs.
[00:07:19]  And there's a few other seats that I think we got a shot at.
[00:07:22]  And so I think that this is an opportunity to pick up maybe a few seats in California, and that'll be a big part of regaining the majority nationally.
[00:07:30]  Yeah, so there's some flippable seats here.
[00:07:31]  It looks like the third district, the 22nd, the 45th, the 9th, the 27th, the 47th, the 13th, the 41st, and the 49th.
[00:07:38]  You know, some people say, oh, you know, California, what does it matter?
[00:07:41]  For example, they live in Arizona, they live in Colorado, or they live in Idaho.
[00:07:44]  No, if we want to take back the House, we have to do well in California, don't we?
[00:07:48]  That's right.
[00:07:48]  I mean, our seats, you know, this is a blue state, but we have more congressional seats up for grabs than really anywhere in the country.
[00:07:55]  And so that's why, you know, races like mine, where mine is one of those seats that we really have to win in order to get the majority back, is going to have huge implications for the entire country.
[00:08:05]  And not only that, I think it's important to have good, strong conservatives from California in Congress in order to tell the truth about what's actually been going on in California.
[00:08:13]  As Newsom tries, you know, his whole shtick is California is some model for the nation, and we need to nationalize all of these terrible California policies.
[00:08:20]  And so I want to be a voice in Congress saying, no, California is not a model for the nation.
[00:08:24]  It's a warning to the nation.
[00:08:26]  We do not want to go down this same failed path.
[00:08:28]  Yeah.
[00:08:28]  And I mean, I'm not trying to demoralize people, but absent a major divine intervention, Gavin is going to probably win reelection.
[00:08:35]  It's just structurally difficult.
[00:08:37]  But that doesn't mean we can't win all the way up and down the ballot, that we can't win house races, mayor races.
[00:08:42]  We can't flip districts.
[00:08:44]  California's a long-term project.
[00:08:45]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:08:46]  Or school board races as well.
[00:08:47]  That's one of the things that I'm focusing on.
[00:08:48]  We have hundreds and hundreds of parent leaders who are now stepping up to run for school boards in California.
[00:08:54]  And that will be a, you know, I think a major counterweight to the disastrous policies that we have coming out of Sacramento.
[00:09:01]  And so I think that actually we have a chance to really start to get a lot of things moving in the right direction here in California in this election and for the entire country as well.
[00:09:09]  So I'm excited about what the next few weeks have in store.
[00:09:12]  Very good.
[00:09:12]  Kevin Kiley, thanks for coming on the program.
[00:09:14]  Your website, just for everyone to know, what is the website?
[00:09:17]  Electkevinkiley.com.
[00:09:18]  Electkevinkiley.com.
[00:09:20]  We're behind you, Kevin.
[00:09:20]  It looks like you're going to win.
[00:09:21]  People help them if you can.
[00:09:23]  And you're going to be part of a very exciting new freshman group of Congress to get rid of these 87,000 new IRS agents, to hold the IRS accountable, to find out what's going on at the FBI, find out what's going on in DOJ, and impeach Mayorkas, all that good stuff.
[00:09:36]  Thank you so much, Kevin.
[00:09:36]  We appreciate you.
[00:09:37]  Thank you.
[00:09:38]  You bet.
[00:09:38]  Thanks, Charlie.
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=== The Church Pike Committee (05:07) ===

[00:10:43]  Once they have a narrative, they will send it through the Mockingbird machine.
[00:10:50]  In fact, that is exactly what we learned thanks to the Church and Pike Committee.
[00:10:56]  And we need a new Church and Pike Committee.
[00:10:58]  We need a Jordan Hawley committee.
[00:11:00]  Church and Pike, we're a U.S. Senate and House equivalent.
[00:11:03]  Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, I think that'd be a great kind of one-two punch or a Hawley Paul committee.
[00:11:10]  This is why we have to take back the House and the Senate, everybody.
[00:11:13]  I know some of you say, Charlie, I am not a fan of Dr. Ross.
[00:11:19]  Okay, well, we had him on our program.
[00:11:21]  I thought that it was very helpful and instructive.
[00:11:23]  But can I convince you to maybe get us a Republican majority so that we can have a special committee to go look into the funding of Operation Mockingbird 2.0?
[00:11:35]  What do you think we will learn if we're able to get a Republican majority?
[00:11:40]  If we get a Republican majority, we will, the grassroots, this program, War Room, Tucker, the number one priority will be oversight investigation, oversight investigation, oversight investigation.
[00:11:53]  Operation Mockingbird was a large-scale program of the Central Intelligence Agency that attempted to manipulate domestic American news media organizations for propagandist purposes.
[00:12:08]  We only learned about this thanks to the Church and Pike Committee.
[00:12:13]  Cut 25 is a great example of Operation Mockingbird still in place today.
[00:12:21]  Play Cut 25.
[00:12:22]  Amazon has transformed its operations in response to COVID-19 to protect employees and keep packages flowing, protect employees, and keep packages.
[00:12:33]  And how do you do it?
[00:12:35]  The company is keeping its health companies.
[00:12:38]  That's a whole thing.
[00:12:39]  The company is keeping its health.
[00:12:43]  Millions of Americans staying at America.
[00:12:47]  And that is how it works.
[00:12:49]  It's like a house of mirrors where you're seeing the same thing over and over and over again.
[00:12:55]  Except it's distorted.
[00:12:57]  I couldn't have said it any better than myself.
[00:12:59]  The eunuch was spot on.
[00:13:01]  So Operation Mockingbird, just like a mockingbird, it hears something and it repeats it and it repeats it.
[00:13:05]  Cut 28, another great example of how Operation Mockingbird conducts itself.
[00:13:10]  Play Cut 28.
[00:13:12]  The sharing of biased and false.
[00:13:13]  False news has become all too common on social media.
[00:13:17]  More alarming than some media.
[00:13:22]  Without checking facts first.
[00:13:24]  Unfortunately, some members of Brazil use their platforms to push their own personal thoughts and agenda controls.
[00:13:33]  This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
[00:13:37]  They all parrot each other, but the question is, where does it come from?
[00:13:42]  We're learning that.
[00:13:43]  We learn that with the Soros-backed Operation Campaign through good information.
[00:13:48]  We learn it through maybe the federal government coming in and inputting this.
[00:13:52]  It's the narrative industrial complex.
[00:13:56]  The narrative industrial complex is able to get into a news cycle and completely change it.
[00:14:02]  In fact, Nancy Pelosi is explaining kind of saying the private part out loud in Cut 26 on how smear narratives established.
[00:14:12]  This is exactly what happened with Russia Gate, Play Cut 26.
[00:14:15]  You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it.
[00:14:22]  And then you write it, and thus they see this reported in the press, so they have that validation that the press reported the smear, and then it's called the ramp-up smear.
[00:14:32]  Now I'm going to merchandise the press's report on the smear that we made.
[00:14:36]  And it's a tactic.
[00:14:38]  And then they report on the smear tactic.
[00:14:41]  That's how this works.
[00:14:43]  Cut 24 is explaining where this comes from during the Church and Pike Committee.
[00:14:50]  And this is exactly what they did to Paul Manafort, Play Cut 24.
[00:14:56]  During a Senate committee investigation, it was revealed that the CIA had been conducting a covert operation to infiltrate and control U.S. media.
[00:15:06]  They called it Operation Mockingbird.
[00:15:08]  Over 3,000 CIA contracted and trained operatives are placed in key positions within top media outlets.
[00:15:16]  Posing as editors and journalists, these well-paid actors never dared to question the effect of their lies on the world beyond their cozy studio.
[00:15:24]  How often does the CIA manipulate the media in this way?
[00:15:28]  It goes beyond your wildest imagination.
[00:15:33]  So back in the 1970s, the Central Intelligence Agency, that's 1975, had 3,000 paid operatives in American media.
[00:15:44]  How many do you think they have today?
[00:15:46]  Who on the mainstream media networks do you think is currently on CIA payroll?

=== CIA Media Payroll Secrets (02:25) ===

[00:15:51]  I'd love your thoughts.
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[00:15:53]  Do you think they stopped doing this 1975 to now?
[00:15:57]  Why is it that this is not mentioned more often?
[00:15:59]  Who in conservative media is on CIA payroll?
[00:16:03]  Who in the Democrat media is on CIA payroll?
[00:16:07]  Or maybe they just stopped.
[00:16:08]  Maybe the CIA stopped after 1975.
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[00:16:27]  Oh, Charlie, rates are too high.
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[00:18:04]  I've been reading this fabulous book.
[00:18:06]  You've heard me mention it over the last couple of weeks, and it's absolutely perfect to our next fabulous guest.
[00:18:14]  Darkness at Noon by Arthur Kessler.

=== Solitary Confinement Testimony (06:49) ===

[00:18:16]  It's not an easy read, but it centers around a political prisoner.
[00:18:23]  It centers around this idea of the Soviet Union.
[00:18:25]  Actually, it doesn't name the Soviet Union in the book, but it's very clear it is the Soviet Union.
[00:18:28]  About how the state, the Leviathan, needs to eliminate opposition political voices or people that even deem to see opposition political voices.
[00:18:38]  It's a fabulous piece of literature.
[00:18:40]  But we don't need to go look at Darkness at Noon as an instructive piece to the kind of puzzle here.
[00:18:46]  We could talk to an actual political prisoner here on the Charlie Kirk show.
[00:18:50]  There are political prisoners still right now from the January 6th event that have just been forgotten.
[00:18:57]  I want to talk to Paul Manafort about his story because what happened to him is totally wrong.
[00:19:02]  Hunted by the deep state.
[00:19:04]  He's the author of a new book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, But Not Silenced.
[00:19:08]  Paul Manafort joins us right now.
[00:19:11]  Paul, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:19:13]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:19:14]  It's good to be with you today.
[00:19:15]  Thank you.
[00:19:16]  So, Paul, many people know your story from afar.
[00:19:19]  Tell it to us in your own words.
[00:19:22]  Well, it's exactly as you just said.
[00:19:25]  I mean, in 19, I mean, in 2016, I was targeted by the deep state.
[00:19:30]  Not really, I don't believe, to get me, although they did mind that, but really to get Donald Trump.
[00:19:36]  They thought that by coming after me as his campaign chairman, that in order to get out of harm's way, I would agree to their narrative, in particular Andrew Weissman's narrative, who worked for Bob Mueller, that Donald Trump and the campaign was colluding with Vladimir Putin in Russia.
[00:19:53]  I wouldn't do it.
[00:19:54]  And they brought all the powers of the state in the deep state down on me.
[00:20:01]  Yeah, and I mean, they target you out as trying to be almost this symbol, if you will, of someone to Donald Trump.
[00:20:10]  So in here, in kind of the summary of your book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, Not Silenced, it talks here that they tried their best to have you turn on President Trump and you refused.
[00:20:22]  Can you talk about that?
[00:20:23]  Yeah, to do so, I would have had to lie, and there's no way I was going to do that.
[00:20:27]  But Andrew Weissman had this crazy theory that he had totally made up.
[00:20:32]  He had taken disparate facts that were true facts and then created a timeline of knowledge that would try and put Trump ahead of the hacking of the DNC server and then authorizing through me to Roger Stone, to Carter Page, the release by WikiLeaks of the dumps from the DNC hacks that occurred in July and in October.
[00:20:54]  The only problem with that is none of it was true.
[00:20:57]  Number one, Trump didn't have advanced knowledge like Weissman claimed he did.
[00:21:01]  Number two, I wasn't talking to Roger Stone about any of this.
[00:21:06]  And number three, we had no connection to WikiLeaks or the DNC hack.
[00:21:10]  So, but that didn't matter because as I've heard you're talking about with Operation Mockingbird, they were creating the narrator.
[00:21:18]  They put a gag order on me so I couldn't speak in the media.
[00:21:22]  And then they put me in solitary confinement just to double down on my not being able to speak in the media.
[00:21:28]  And they leaked out this false information that smeared me and created this picture of me that I was convicted in the court of public opinion way before I ever had a trial.
[00:21:38]  And there was no way I was going to ever have a fair trial.
[00:21:41]  And in fact, I was being tried on things that I had resolved with the federal government already prior to Russian collusion.
[00:21:48]  So it was all a big game meant to bring down a president that the deep state feared.
[00:21:56]  I want to re-emphasize something that when you are facing potentially decades in prison and they put you in solitary confinement, which I'm going to ask you about in a second here, it is very tempting to want to all of a sudden go and turn and even make stuff up to try to save yourself.
[00:22:16]  But Paul Manafort decided not to do that and to take the high road.
[00:22:21]  So, Paul, talk about solitary confinement.
[00:22:23]  This is something that didn't get nearly as enough coverage as it should.
[00:22:28]  They put you as a political prisoner in solitary confinement.
[00:22:32]  Is that true?
[00:22:34]  And first of all, it all related to when they indicted me, they gave me a $10 million bail.
[00:22:40]  $10 million was more than John Gotti was had to pay to get out of jail when he was arrested.
[00:22:45]  But they did that because they knew I couldn't make a $10 million bail.
[00:22:48]  And it took me about five months to package together through friends and family and my own economics.
[00:22:57]  And I had three failed bail packages.
[00:23:00]  And all the while that I had these, trying to do these bail packages, I had a gag order so I couldn't speak in the public, which is the whole goal of what was going on.
[00:23:09]  When I finally got a bail package that would have to be accepted by the judge, who Judge Amy Bourbon Jackson could have been at the prosecutor's table.
[00:23:17]  She was so much a part of their case.
[00:23:21]  Then Weissman concocted a witness tampering allegation where there wasn't even a witness list yet.
[00:23:29]  But they said I should have known about somebody who I never talked to, but they said just that I reached out to was in witness tampering and intimidation and got the judge to put me into solitary confinement for sort of doubling down on my inability to one speak out on my behalf, two, to even deal with my lawyers because the solitary confinement they put me in was at a prison that was three about three hours away from Washington, D.C., where my case was being heard.
[00:23:54]  So now all of a sudden I was way outside of the ability to communicate with my lawyers.
[00:23:59]  I couldn't speak in the media and I couldn't speak to anybody who wasn't my lawyer who couldn't get to me.
[00:24:06]  What they put me in was about a 9 by 12 cell, no windows, a slot in the door to put food through that latched on so there was no light other than the light from the room.
[00:24:19]  24-7 in the room, couldn't get outside at all, had to do all my exercises and whatever in the room, and limited ability to reach out to my lawyers and anybody else that I could talk to, including family, which I was restricted from seeing.
[00:24:36]  And the goal there was all psychological.
[00:24:38]  What I did is I relied on my faith.
[00:24:40]  I relied on the fact that I knew I had done nothing wrong.
[00:24:44]  And I built a plan.
[00:24:45]  I talk about it in the book of how to get through every day, knowing that this would have to end someday, although I at that time had no idea how long.
[00:24:54]  And in the end, I spent almost 11 months in solitary confinement.
[00:24:57]  11 months in solitary confinement.
[00:25:00]  And so they did everything they possibly could to try to destroy you and to break your will.

=== Deep State Legal Attacks (10:50) ===

[00:25:06]  And by the way, they get away with everything.
[00:25:09]  I mean, so just reinforce this for our audience, Paul.
[00:25:12]  They come after you for all this whatever nonsense, and Hillary Clinton walks completely free.
[00:25:18]  Can you just talk philosophically about how dangerous it is to have political prisoners?
[00:25:23]  If you're willing to use the force of the state against people you disagree with, where does this lead us?
[00:25:28]  Well, the two-tiered system really was very obvious when you looked at what they came after me on and what Hunter Biden's going after right now.
[00:25:36]  I spent most of my time 10 years prior to joining the Trump campaign doing campaigns around the world.
[00:25:42]  And you don't have to report political campaigns to the U.S. government, the Justice Department.
[00:25:47]  You only have to report if you're lobbying in Washington.
[00:25:50]  I wasn't.
[00:25:51]  I had actually had lobbyists on my payroll that were being paid to lobby for Ukraine.
[00:25:56]  But when the Deep State came after me, the ferry unit at justice reached out to me before there was any special prosecutor and said, we've read this in the paper.
[00:26:06]  Can you please come in and talk about it?
[00:26:08]  I had no problem doing that because I knew I hadn't done anything wrong.
[00:26:11]  I met with them over the course of three or four months.
[00:26:13]  They agreed with me that at best, my requirement to lobby, to file, was very, very limited in time.
[00:26:21]  And they asked me to just, you know, for purposes of getting the case behind us, agree that I would register for about a two-year period in 2014, not before there was any Trump campaign, which I did.
[00:26:35]  And it was resolved.
[00:26:36]  There was no criminal penalties, no civil penalties, no slap on the wrist, nothing.
[00:26:41]  I just filed and it was done.
[00:26:43]  When the special counsel was appointed, Mueller put Weissman in charge.
[00:26:50]  And Weissman went to the DOJ and said to the head of the unit, what's the story with the man of Fort Ferry issue?
[00:26:56]  She said, there is no story.
[00:26:57]  He's resolved it.
[00:26:58]  It's behind us.
[00:27:00]  And he said, no, it's not resolved.
[00:27:01]  I'm taking it over and I'm throwing out the agreement you reached.
[00:27:04]  And then he brought criminal charges going back 20 years.
[00:27:08]  How can they do that, though, Paul?
[00:27:09]  I have to interrupt.
[00:27:10]  So you have a special counsel who is he technically a DOJ employee, but I mean, that then goes and overdoes a deal that you struck with DOJ.
[00:27:17]  How's that possible?
[00:27:19]  Well, Rod Rosenstein is how that's possible.
[00:27:21]  Oh, Rod Rosenstein.
[00:27:23]  That's a Trump appointee, though, isn't it?
[00:27:25]  Yes, I know it is.
[00:27:26]  I know it is.
[00:27:28]  Let me make understand.
[00:27:29]  So a Trump appointee, Ron Rosenstein, and because I guess it's because Jeff Sessions couldn't do anything because he recused himself, right?
[00:27:37]  So it just gave Rosenstein even more power than because you had a private agreement.
[00:27:42]  You were operating under the conditions that what you were doing was acceptable by federal government regulations, right?
[00:27:49]  Correct.
[00:27:50]  And Rosenstein, who comes out of the Mueller click, I mean, he and Weissman and a lot of the people in the special counsel office all worked together over the course of the previous years.
[00:28:00]  And the whole game was getting obsessed to recuse himself on a ridiculous concept of the fact that he was the chairman of the campaign.
[00:28:09]  He couldn't look at this whole Russian issue and be fair about it.
[00:28:14]  Of course, he could have been fair about it.
[00:28:15]  And of course, he also knew there was no Russian collusion.
[00:28:18]  So why he ever would have to recuse himself?
[00:28:20]  There was no reason for it.
[00:28:21]  But that put Rosenstein slash Mueller in charge of the DOJ on this issue.
[00:28:26]  And they were able to keep it alive for five years and four years.
[00:28:31]  And so when they went after me on this, they didn't have to justify it to anybody.
[00:28:36]  Now, mind you, the special counsels, this is not an independent counsel.
[00:28:41]  Mueller was not an independent counsel.
[00:28:43]  That law had expired.
[00:28:44]  That's exactly right.
[00:28:46]  And the Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, refused to renew that law because they said there were too much unfettered power in the hands of a.
[00:28:57]  Yeah, but you're right.
[00:28:59]  I do want to remind our audience, though, that it was Paul Ryan and Republicans that did authorize Mueller.
[00:29:05]  And so it was also, you know, Congress gave some power to Mueller, too.
[00:29:10]  And that never should have happened.
[00:29:12]  Yeah, it never should have happened.
[00:29:14]  But his authority was only that of a U.S. attorney, which is way more limited than an independent counsel.
[00:29:18]  Yes.
[00:29:19]  Yet he still went 25 years back, way beyond the mandate of Russian collusion and the Trump campaign to try and get me.
[00:29:26]  And Rosenstein let him get away with it.
[00:29:28]  Yeah, it's just Congress should have then stepped in and reined in Mueller.
[00:29:32]  And that's the only process that could have happened there.
[00:29:36]  That's very important is because a roaming special prosecutor gives you, may he rest in peace, Ken Starr-style power, where Mueller should have just been a typical U.S. attorney.
[00:29:46]  And that's how he was able to go after.
[00:29:48]  And Paul Manafort was nothing more than points on the board to try to gain momentum.
[00:29:52]  That's all it was.
[00:29:53]  It wasn't about justice.
[00:29:54]  This was about politics.
[00:29:55]  Paul, can you tell people how people can find your book and a little bit more about the book itself?
[00:30:02]  Thank you, Charlotte.
[00:30:02]  It's called Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, But Not Silenced.
[00:30:06]  It's at bookstores now.
[00:30:08]  You can get it at amazon.com, barnsandnoble.com, simonandschuster.com.
[00:30:12]  I wrote the book for two reasons.
[00:30:14]  One, I wanted to get the truth out about my story, which was totally lost in the mockingbird strategy that you've discussed in the past.
[00:30:21]  Thank you.
[00:30:22]  That was employed on me.
[00:30:24]  But also because I wanted to warn the American people that they're next.
[00:30:28]  And that while my story is not a good story, if you believe in our Constitution, it's not a unique situation in that the deep left, the deep state and the woke left has targeted everyday Americans.
[00:30:40]  I finished this book last December of last year.
[00:30:44]  So I got the first year of the Biden administration into the book.
[00:30:47]  And I talked about the people who had weaponized the DOJ and FBI and CIA, the Obama administration now being a part of the Biden administration.
[00:30:56]  And I warned that the American people were going to be targeted.
[00:30:59]  And since that book has come out, we've had the 87,000 IRS agents and warned the American people.
[00:31:04]  And this is really the purpose of my book, was to show how our government, the deep state, was taking over our constitutional rights.
[00:31:10]  And we had to rise up and stop them.
[00:31:14]  And I talk about it in the book back then, the creation of this disinformation bureau at Homeland Securities, which Biden was looking to set up to make everyday Americans terrorists just because they disagreed with Biden administration policy.
[00:31:28]  While that was just so outrageous and they had to take that down, what they're doing today is the same.
[00:31:34]  His speech two weeks ago in Philadelphia, where he declared MAGA supporters of Trump as terrorists and people that are a danger to our society, that's a setup for what they were trying to do with Homeland Security.
[00:31:50]  And in the book, that was the kind of stuff I was warning against.
[00:31:53]  And it's going to get worse unless we stop it.
[00:31:55]  And the first time you have to stop it is this November, when we have to take control of the Congress.
[00:32:01]  We have to then expose the corruption and we have to take back our government.
[00:32:04]  Amen.
[00:32:05]  Everybody watching right now, Paul Manafort is an example of what they're going to try to make out of you with 87,000 new IRS agents.
[00:32:13]  They focus on financials.
[00:32:15]  They focus on things that you might have previously been told by the government is acceptable, but they don't care.
[00:32:21]  So this is an instructive story of what comes next if we do not take back our government.
[00:32:28]  Paul, I want to talk about something else here as we close our conversation, which is how, even if the facts are on your side, if you have a trial in Northern Virginia or in D.C., I think you were in Northern Virginia, if I'm not mistaken, is that it's not a fair trial.
[00:32:42]  It's an insult to our judicial system, to the process.
[00:32:46]  For example, if it would have been, hey, Paul Manafort, you get a trial in Kansas or you get a trial in a 50-50 state, right, like Florida.
[00:32:54]  I think you might have beat the charges.
[00:32:55]  Your thoughts, Paul?
[00:32:56]  Well, Charlie, I beat 10 of the 18 charges they brought against me, and the eight took the jury four days of deliberations on.
[00:33:05]  And I would have beaten them too in a fair case.
[00:33:08]  I had actually petitioned to move Benu to Roanoke, not in Kansas.
[00:33:12]  I mean, just to get outside of the D.C. metropolitan area.
[00:33:14]  Yes.
[00:33:15]  And the judge, of course, said no.
[00:33:17]  And then the one concession I got by Judge Jackson was she allowed us to expand the number of jurors that were vaudered to pick a jury to 200.
[00:33:28]  And she allowed us to do a questionnaire.
[00:33:29]  Normally you'd have about 40 jurors.
[00:33:31]  You'd vaudeer to get 12 jurors and four alternates.
[00:33:34]  We had 200.
[00:33:36]  We had some input in the questionnaire, which having been involved in politics, I organized in a way I would put a poll together and she signed off on it, not knowing what she was doing.
[00:33:45]  And we were able to really get to understand all 200 of the jurors, even though we didn't know their names.
[00:33:50]  We got enough information to be able to draw empirical data on them.
[00:33:54]  Of the 200, 192, 100% hated Trump and hated Paul Manafort.
[00:34:02]  192 out of 200.
[00:34:04]  Out of 200.
[00:34:05]  That is so important to tell.
[00:34:07]  Yeah, that's incredible.
[00:34:08]  And 20 more, a little less, 18 more, you know, basically said they didn't know enough about Paul Manafort to make a judgment.
[00:34:16]  Now, then, but they got all their news daily, according to them from this questionnaire, from the New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, and the Washington Post.
[00:34:27]  So, of course, they knew who I was, but they lied.
[00:34:30]  There was one juror that legitimately could have been a fair juror for me.
[00:34:34]  And that was what I got to pick from.
[00:34:36]  Why?
[00:34:38]  So this is important.
[00:34:39]  In the United States Constitution, it says you have a natural right to a jury of your peers.
[00:34:44]  That is not a jury of your peers, Mr. Manafort.
[00:34:47]  That's a jury of your enemies.
[00:34:49]  That was a jury of my enemies.
[00:34:51]  And they wouldn't even let me go a couple hours down the road to Roanoke, where that demographic would have been different, you know, and would have at least been closer to a fair trial.
[00:35:03]  That's so extraordinary.
[00:35:05]  This is an important thing, everybody, that I don't know how we go about fixing this.
[00:35:08]  It could maybe be a congressional law one day, but it should be venue shopping for the left.
[00:35:13]  It's how Sussman got off and it's how they were able to throw the book at you.
[00:35:18]  It's that that is an insult to our justice system when you're dealing from a population that, according to your survey, 192 out of 200, something like that, 192 out of 200, absolutely hated you and hated Trump.
[00:35:29]  And then the other people were probably even lying.
[00:35:31]  It's a very important thing.
[00:35:33]  We're out of time.
[00:35:33]  Please check out Paul Manafort's book, Political Prisoner, Persecuted, Prosecuted, but Not Silenced.
[00:35:38]  Paul, thank you so much.
[00:35:42]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:43]  Email me your thoughts as always.
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[00:35:46]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:35:47]  God bless.
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