The Charlie Kirk Show - The Resurrected Jesus with David Limbaugh
Aired: 2022-09-09
Duration: 35:38


=== David Limbaugh Joins The Show (01:41) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:02]  David Limbaugh joins us, brother of the late Rush Limbaugh, author of a new book, Resurrected Jesus.
[00:00:09]  Great conversation about the New Testament.
[00:00:10]  I think you're going to really enjoy it.
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[00:01:31]  David Limbaugh joins us this hour.
[00:01:33]  David, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:01:35]  Thanks for having me, Charlie.
[00:01:36]  How are you?
[00:01:38]  I'm excellent.
[00:01:38]  Thank you.
[00:01:39]  And I'm really looking forward to talking about this book with you.

=== Paul's Letters To Timothy And Titus (03:48) ===

[00:01:41]  I have so many questions, but first, what's this new book about?
[00:01:44]  And we'll dive into it.
[00:01:46]  And why did you write it?
[00:01:47]  And we'll go from there.
[00:01:48]  Okay, this is my fifth Christian-themed book.
[00:01:51]  The last one was Jesus is Risen, and it covered the book of Acts and six of the Apostle Paul's epistles.
[00:02:00]  This book covers the remaining seven of his epistles: the prison epistles and the pastoral epistles.
[00:02:06]  He wrote the prison epistles when he was imprisoned, house arrest in Rome, and the pastorals he wrote to his colleagues and fellow evangelists, Timothy and Titus.
[00:02:15]  But the purpose of this book, as in the last one, is to draw people closer to the Bible, to reach people who are either unchurched or skeptics or who are beginning Christians, who can profit from someone who is not a theologian or a trained biblical scholar, but someone who experienced skepticism and hopefully can relate to them in a way a pastor or theologian can't.
[00:02:41]  So we go through the chapters and verses of all these books.
[00:02:44]  Literally, I mean, we literally, I'm using literally correctly, go through every chapter and every verse of these seven books of the Bible and either paraphrase the verses or use them directly verbatim.
[00:02:58]  And then we intersperse commentary, our own insights.
[00:03:02]  And this book is different because my daughter Kristen added, primarily, wrote some prayers throughout the book to make it an interactive experience with readers.
[00:03:13]  We hope will lead them to coming closer to God and closer to the Bible.
[00:03:19]  So what books in particular then are you focusing on?
[00:03:22]  You say it says here that you explore the divinely inspired wonders of Paul's last letters.
[00:03:27]  Which books, just for our audience and for my own sake as well, are the last letters?
[00:03:33]  And I try to do this in chronological order as opposed to canonical order, where they appear in the Bible, although it's pretty close.
[00:03:40]  Colossians, Philemon, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Timothy.
[00:03:49]  Those are the books.
[00:03:50]  Those are the epistles.
[00:03:52]  What do you think is profound?
[00:03:54]  Or obviously it's all profound, but what is important to focus on about those letters in particular?
[00:03:58]  So, Timothy, obviously, he's counseling a younger, you know, very enthusiastic kind of, he's mentoring, you could say.
[00:04:07]  And I mean, you obviously mentioned the same with Titus.
[00:04:10]  What about those books do you think that you zero in on in your book that is so important to take away about them?
[00:04:19]  Well, it's interesting to me that there's a lot of different things.
[00:04:23]  And the reason I picked these seven books is because I want to go through the entire New Testament.
[00:04:28]  So, these are just the next ones.
[00:04:30]  I don't consider them any more or less profound than the other books.
[00:04:32]  Well, actually, I might if you press me, because I think Paul is the guy who is the premier evangelist who laid down doctrine more than any other New Testament writer.
[00:04:44]  But the interesting thing to me, and there's many in the pastorals, is how personal Paul is and how it shows how human he is.
[00:04:54]  The Bible isn't some book of abstract theological principles.
[00:04:57]  It is a story of God's redemption for mankind.
[00:05:02]  And it's written in history.
[00:05:04]  And Paul experiences these struggles and he delegates, this is interesting, he delegates very important tasks to his understudies, Timothy and Titus and others, of course.
[00:05:16]  But it shows, it's a model for us that we shouldn't be afraid to delegate important tasks to some of our people who work for us.
[00:05:23]  And I don't know about you, but sometimes I've had issues with that.
[00:05:27]  But it's a good example.

=== From Persecutor To Christ Advocate (03:57) ===

[00:05:29]  And he really, by doing this, it's not just analogous to a secular situation, but when he delegates, what he's really admitting is that God is in charge, that the Holy Spirit working through Timothy and Titus are the ones who are the one who really makes things happen.
[00:05:49]  And we are merely the agents of God working through the power of the Holy Spirit.
[00:05:54]  But these stories, Timothy has troubles, and Paul encourages him.
[00:05:59]  He encourages him to stay true to the gospel.
[00:06:02]  And he lays down instructions for Christian living.
[00:06:05]  Same thing with Titus.
[00:06:07]  Very personal, very warm.
[00:06:09]  And it just shows how vulnerable, but yet courageous Paul is and what a loving relationship he had with these people.
[00:06:17]  Yeah, so for some of our newer listeners that are new to the faith, tell us just more broadly about Paul.
[00:06:22]  One of the most extraordinary stories in the entire Bible, someone that you would be considered the least likely to become kind of the first theologian, if you were to kind of rank it.
[00:06:33]  And the person that had one of the reasons that I think his testimony is so compelling and his writings are so authentic is because he had no reason to articulate this.
[00:06:45]  Yeah, that's well put.
[00:06:48]  He was the least likely of people to become an advocate for Christ.
[00:06:54]  And he became the fiercest advocate.
[00:06:56]  He was the Hebrew of Hebrews.
[00:06:58]  He was an Orthodox Jew.
[00:07:00]  He was fiercely defensive against those who fell from the faith and the Jewish faith.
[00:07:08]  He was particularly personal, personally offended and outraged by his fellow Jews leaving the faith.
[00:07:16]  Not even, it really isn't leaving the faith.
[00:07:18]  It's just accepting Christ as the promised Messiah in the Old Testament.
[00:07:22]  But for accepting Christ and becoming Christians, he was so outraged that he was on a mission to murder them and imprison them.
[00:07:31]  And he was on his way on the Damascus road for the very purpose of bringing Christians to justice, people who had violated the Jewish laws and who'd become apostate.
[00:07:45]  And so on his way, he was encountered by Christ in a kind of a spiritual way.
[00:07:52]  Christ blinded him and said, why are you persecuting me, Paul?
[00:07:57]  Now, notice Christ didn't say, why are you persecuting the church?
[00:08:01]  Why are you persecuting me?
[00:08:03]  Meaning, Christ is the church.
[00:08:05]  And so that dramatic experience led to Paul's pretty much immediate conversion.
[00:08:11]  And the reason I think Paul, Jesus chose Paul to become his apostle.
[00:08:18]  The other apostles all lived with Jesus and walked with him, but were anointed by God.
[00:08:29]  Paul didn't do that.
[00:08:30]  He was the exception.
[00:08:31]  And I think Jesus chose him precisely because of his personality traits, his intellect.
[00:08:35]  I mean, he was such a passionate guy, so energetic, so adamant.
[00:08:39]  So all of this zeal he had for Christianity, he just transferred right into Christ and became an advocate for Christ.
[00:08:45]  And he devoted his entire life despite being punished, prisoned, beaten, tortured.
[00:08:51]  And he describes it all throughout.
[00:08:54]  And he persevered and he kept doing it and he was in prison.
[00:08:57]  So Paul is, and he's such a fascinating intellect, and he anticipates arguments and he knocks them down.
[00:09:06]  And I think if you read the book of Romans, book of Ephesians, you'll be blown away by the doctrinal statements of Christianity in that.
[00:09:14]  Yeah, and it's not easy reading.
[00:09:15]  I mean, Romans is a very difficult book in more ways than one because he's almost, he writes in a very, it's a different style than what most people are used to in the 21st century.

=== Spiritual Forces Behind Modern Evil (15:51) ===

[00:09:27]  Can you talk about that?
[00:09:28]  Yeah, and even, I think it's Peter in one of his epistles talks about Paul being difficult to read sometimes in his writings, which I find is interesting.
[00:09:42]  But it's also interesting that Peter and the other apostles affirm Paul's apostleship.
[00:09:51]  And what they also do is affirm that his writings are scripture.
[00:09:56]  Paul didn't know, of course, I don't think, that the letters he's writing to the churches are ultimately going to be incorporated into the biblical canon and become the word of God.
[00:10:06]  But they were.
[00:10:07]  They were the word of God and he was talking, God was talking through him.
[00:10:10]  And so, but he does, there is a difficulty sometimes in understanding what he means.
[00:10:16]  And that's why studying the Bible, and I think AIDS like this book is designed to help people get into it and overcome any intimidation they have.
[00:10:24]  Some people are purists and they say, ah, let the Bible speak for itself.
[00:10:29]  It's blasphemy to even write a book about the Bible.
[00:10:31]  Who are you to well?
[00:10:33]  Who would say such a thing as that?
[00:10:35]  I don't know.
[00:10:36]  You throw out all of Henry's commentary and Spurgeon and even Aquinas.
[00:10:41]  I mean, there's a phenomenal commentary throughout the years of the scriptures.
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[00:11:42]  So I want to talk about how Paul was kind of on a mission to stamp out early heresies.
[00:11:47]  I think it's important for some of our listeners that are new to the faith, talk about the context of which this is written.
[00:11:52]  So Christianity was not even really a term at the time, right?
[00:11:55]  Now call it Christianity.
[00:11:57]  I'm not really sure that they called it.
[00:11:59]  I think they call themselves brothers or sisters in Christ.
[00:12:01]  You could tell us, but basically, there are all these little pockets of the church all across the Mediterranean.
[00:12:07]  And Paul is just, Paul is just kind of playing offensive coordinator here and being like, stop doing that, stop doing this.
[00:12:12]  Talk about that.
[00:12:13]  Yeah, I think they called him the way for a while.
[00:12:16]  The way.
[00:12:18]  But, but, um, and disparagingly, of course.
[00:12:21]  But Paul, this is so interesting and is so relevant to our modern times where truth, the very nature of truth, is being attacked.
[00:12:31]  Jesus Christ is truth and is the foundation for all that is true.
[00:12:37]  And to the extent that the modern political left or the anti-religious left can undermine the very concept of truth and distort language and postmodern culture, whatever, it undermines everything.
[00:12:50]  It introduces moral and intellectual chaos.
[00:12:53]  Paul was imprisoned for telling the truth, for explaining that Jesus was the promised Messiah.
[00:13:01]  He was then a threat to Judaism.
[00:13:03]  And by the way, just so we know, modern listeners and viewers understand, we love the Jewish people.
[00:13:09]  Christians are tied at the hip to the Jewish people.
[00:13:12]  And so this isn't about that.
[00:13:14]  But we're talking about Paul being upset that the truth was being distorted.
[00:13:19]  And it's just like today.
[00:13:21]  It's not just external forces, the Gentiles attacking the church, these licentious people in Corinthians, who, by the way, I used to read the Bible and think, how terrible.
[00:13:31]  Who could possibly accept such a decadent culture?
[00:13:34]  I think the United States has probably surpassed ancient Corinth.
[00:13:37]  Yeah, you read Romans 1, you say, boy, that feels like the New York Times.
[00:13:42]  It's totally Romans 1.
[00:13:44]  Yeah.
[00:13:44]  And so Paul, so you got those external attacks on Christianity and the church.
[00:13:50]  The early church, which is struggling, to get off the ground, Paul, as you say, plants these churches in the Mediterranean basin all around.
[00:13:57]  And they don't just grow automatically.
[00:14:00]  This is what's interesting.
[00:14:01]  A lot of some Christians will say that, you know, everything is through the Holy Spirit.
[00:14:07]  We don't have any control over anything.
[00:14:08]  And I know that's the extreme version, but God works through human beings.
[00:14:15]  So Paul knew that.
[00:14:16]  He was a model.
[00:14:17]  He was an exemplar of that.
[00:14:18]  He planted those churches and he had to come back and refurbish those churches and undergird them against these attacks.
[00:14:24]  So these internal attacks were actually probably more threatening to the church and to the survival of the church in its incipiency than external threats.
[00:14:35]  Because if you are in the church and you undermine doctrine, you undermine what is the very gospel, that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
[00:14:45]  And you introduce doubt and you say, Jesus is not fully, Jesus wasn't actually a man, as the Gnostics.
[00:14:52]  The human material existence is evil.
[00:14:55]  So God couldn't have become material because he couldn't have become evil.
[00:14:59]  They don't understand at all that the dual nature of Christ.
[00:15:04]  God sent his Son to acquire human form so that we could become, so that he could die for us and redeem us, those of us with faith in Jesus Christ, for eternal life with him.
[00:15:18]  But he's fully human and fully divine.
[00:15:21]  Some of these early heresies would negate one or the other of those, either saying, no, he wasn't really God.
[00:15:27]  They had modalism or Gnosticism, right?
[00:15:31]  So go ahead, please.
[00:15:34]  And not to offend any modern readers, but a lot of people still feel that way.
[00:15:40]  Like Jehovah's Witnesses, I think, teach that Christ was not fully divine or not divine at all.
[00:15:45]  I may be wrong, but whether Jehovah's Witnesses do that or not, some cults or some religions do teach that and they purport to be Christian.
[00:15:55]  Well, that's not Orthodox Christianity.
[00:15:58]  That's not true Christianity.
[00:15:59]  True Christianity says that Jesus is fully God and fully divine.
[00:16:02]  And so Paul fiercely attacked these heretics.
[00:16:07]  So he would write these letters to the churches.
[00:16:09]  This is in real time.
[00:16:10]  This is real history.
[00:16:12]  He's writing letters to the churches because he didn't have time.
[00:16:14]  He couldn't be everywhere.
[00:16:15]  And he was sometimes in prison.
[00:16:17]  He writes these letters to the churches and say, This is the truth.
[00:16:21]  Don't listen to these false teachers.
[00:16:22]  They're blaspheming.
[00:16:24]  They're lying about who I am.
[00:16:25]  They're saying I'm trying to puff myself up.
[00:16:27]  This isn't about me.
[00:16:28]  This is about Jesus Christ.
[00:16:30]  It's about life.
[00:16:31]  Adhere to the truth.
[00:16:32]  And then he laid out the truth.
[00:16:34]  And then these books become, these epistles become part of scripture, as I said earlier, and they lay out what the Christian doctrine really is, which is fascinating.
[00:16:42]  So they serve the dual purpose at the time, undergirding the church and in perpetuity throughout all history.
[00:16:49]  David, I want you to talk about how Paul laid out a blueprint for waging spiritual warfare against the forces of darkness, something that is very important in America today.
[00:17:01]  Tell us what Paul had to say about that.
[00:17:03]  You know, it is so relevant, especially in view of recent right off the press's news story about this new series, cartoon series called, I think it's Demon.
[00:17:17]  And it's an adult cartoon series.
[00:17:19]  I think it's Disney.
[00:17:20]  I may be wrong about that.
[00:17:22]  Where Satan has sexual relations with a lady and she produces the Antichrist.
[00:17:32]  And a lot of parents are up in arms about this and outraged that it's on Disney because kids might stumble onto it and they already have in different ways from the promos and all that.
[00:17:46]  And the reason they're upset is not because they're fuddy duddies and purists and scolds.
[00:17:53]  It's because this culture has become so evil.
[00:17:56]  And secularism, evil has been championed through the glorification of abortion and everything else and the confusion of gender roles against God's created order.
[00:18:07]  And so this is just another way of introducing propaganda, secularist, anti-Christian, anti-God propaganda, and indoctrinating children and trivializing the very idea of demonics and spiritual evil.
[00:18:25]  We know as believing Christians, and primarily because Paul wrote about it, that there are spiritual forces, forces of darkness that underlie the evil forces that go on in the material world.
[00:18:37]  And we need to, what Paul is saying is, and he talks about, he talks about military metaphors to describe this.
[00:18:48]  He's saying, listen, people, spiritual warfare is not just about ghosts and goblins and all these phantasmagorical things.
[00:18:56]  It is real.
[00:18:58]  It is as real, in fact, more real than the physical world.
[00:19:01]  And you better believe Satan exists.
[00:19:03]  And by the way, Charlie, I didn't used to believe Satan existed.
[00:19:07]  I didn't become a Christian until I was in my 30s and kicking and screaming.
[00:19:11]  And one of the things that is most affirming for me, for my belief, ironically, is the prevalence of evil in this world.
[00:19:21]  I don't think you can explain it any other way than the biblical worldview.
[00:19:25]  I don't think you can explain what the left is doing in this country without resorting to spiritual explanations because it doesn't make sense why they would actively promote things we know objectively to be evil.
[00:19:41]  They are promoting ideas that are literally destroying this country right before our eyes.
[00:19:47]  They're destroying our energy sector on the lie about the environment, which, by the way, is modern idolatry.
[00:19:54]  And they're so there, you can't talk to the left anymore because they don't tell the truth about anything.
[00:20:00]  They are blinded, and I think they're spiritually blind.
[00:20:03]  I know this isn't a political interview, but it's all interconnected.
[00:20:07]  Trust me, I'm fine to go there if you want to.
[00:20:09]  Yes, yeah, me too.
[00:20:10]  And I, well, but I think, you know, part of what they do is try to convince everybody that evil doesn't really exist.
[00:20:20]  And now, now, what the left is doing is so distorting the language that we are the evil ones because we are resisting evil.
[00:20:28]  Well, you just can't even, and people that say we ought to reach across the aisle, we ought to try to work with these people, as Russ said, and I've said, you can't, you can't make a bargain with these evil forces.
[00:20:40]  I'm not saying leftist people are evil.
[00:20:43]  What they do, what they're promoting is evil.
[00:20:46]  There is no question about some of them unwittingly, others wittingly, but it's destroying everything this country stands for.
[00:20:53]  It's destroying the education system, the rest.
[00:20:56]  I could go through, as you probably do every day, 10 existential threats in the United States.
[00:21:01]  Paul, in this book, he's saying you have to be prepared.
[00:21:06]  Put on the armor of God.
[00:21:07]  Go to scripture.
[00:21:08]  Go to God in prayer.
[00:21:10]  So you will empower yourself to be able to resist these evil forces because you need it.
[00:21:17]  We need to be able to fight spiritual evil with spiritual good, with the God of the Bible, with the Holy Spirit, with Jesus Christ.
[00:21:24]  And that's really, I think, the essential message of the spiritual aspect, spiritual warfare aspect of these letters.
[00:21:32]  Yeah, so as Paul writes this, and some people, I think, cherry-pick parts of Paul.
[00:21:40]  They just cherry-pick parts of the Bible to confirm their own kind of secular view.
[00:21:45]  Some people would say, well, Charlie, in Romans 13, it says we must obey the government no matter what.
[00:21:50]  And it obviously doesn't come with any sort of, in my personal opinion, civic understanding of actually who the rulers are in America, which is the people are the rulers.
[00:21:58]  Can you talk a little bit about that?
[00:22:00]  Because you're the only one I know other than me who's made that observation.
[00:22:05]  We are the rulers.
[00:22:07]  That's exactly right.
[00:22:08]  And we have a duty to make ourselves better.
[00:22:12]  So we don't even have a conflict in that issue.
[00:22:14]  If we lived in a Soviet Russia, we may have a problem threading that needle, although I don't think we do.
[00:22:21]  There's other versions.
[00:22:22]  And by the way, it says in Romans 13, they're there for your good.
[00:22:26]  So in the Soviet Union, if they're not for your good.
[00:22:28]  But, you know, I say this to pastors all the time, you know, during the lockdowns, vaccine stuff, and all this.
[00:22:32]  Pastors would say, well, we can't question the government, Romans 13.
[00:22:35]  And I'd say, wait, hold on.
[00:22:36]  It doesn't say the government.
[00:22:38]  It says rulers and authority.
[00:22:40]  And our system, our constitutional system, the people are the sovereign.
[00:22:45]  That's it.
[00:22:46]  That's so well stated.
[00:22:47]  I'm just gratified that you said that because I have said that myself.
[00:22:51]  I don't even know if I've said it out loud, but I've said it in my mind.
[00:22:55]  Well, it's so, but can you talk more broadly here about the cultural implications?
[00:23:00]  Because we have a political audience and a religious audience.
[00:23:02]  Where does Paul talk about the need to, let's just say, fight evil?
[00:23:06]  Can you give some examples of how Paul gives us the spiritual equipment to be able to fight this treachery and this deceit?
[00:23:16]  And how does it apply to the times we're living in today?
[00:23:19]  Well, one thing he says is, I don't know if this is directly responsive, but one thing he says is that one thing the Bible says is we don't, God doesn't promise us freedom from suffering or struggling.
[00:23:34]  In fact, it promises that we will struggle.
[00:23:37]  But what we need to remember is keep the long view in mind and keep our eyes on God because God created man to enjoy eternal life with him, and we fell.
[00:23:51]  And the only way we could be redeemed is for him to send his son, as I said.
[00:23:55]  And then those who have faith with him will be joined with him for eternal life.
[00:24:00]  But you have to keep your mind on that hope and that assurance.
[00:24:04]  And that hope, by the way, as I mentioned in the book, it's not original for, and Kristen mentions in the book, it's not original for me to say this.
[00:24:12]  This hope is not like some hope.
[00:24:15]  Maybe it'll happen.
[00:24:17]  The hope actually means your assurance, your certainty that it will happen.
[00:24:22]  You're looking to that future, and that gives you peace and it gives you an inner joy, not some bliss, mindless bliss, but a joy ultimately that will allow you to withstand the struggles that we go through.
[00:24:36]  So I think we have to keep that long view in mind and know that no matter what happens, and this is hard for me to deal with myself.
[00:24:43]  I mean, I'm a hypocrite on this because I don't practice what I preach because I get very upset with what the left is doing in the here and now.
[00:24:52]  And I probably don't keep my mind focused enough on the spiritual truths about that.
[00:24:58]  I mean, I do, of course, but I'm still upset about what they're doing.
[00:25:02]  And I'm not sure there's really a conflict of that.
[00:25:04]  But I just, I really believe that Paul wants us to understand that we always can lean on Jesus.
[00:25:11]  And by the way, we do this throughout the day.
[00:25:14]  It helps us to practice the spiritual disciplines, to become closer to Christ.

=== Navigating Biblical Inconsistencies Together (02:43) ===

[00:25:19]  Because just being converted and born-again Christian doesn't mean we're sin-free.
[00:25:24]  It means we've overcome the power of sin, and we've overcome sin for purposes of judicial purposes.
[00:25:32]  We are declared righteous, but we will still sin.
[00:25:34]  And when we do sin, we have to go back to God and ask for redemption.
[00:25:39]  Not so we'll save our salvation, preserve our salvation, but because it'll enhance our spiritual walk.
[00:25:46]  And I believe it does.
[00:25:48]  And the more you can stay in the word and in prayer, the more wholesome, the more grounded and stable you'll be.
[00:25:56]  And you won't let these vicissitudes of life, everyday life, get you as down.
[00:26:01]  Now, again, I have to be more practice more what I preach on that, but that's the idea.
[00:26:07]  Some people would say, well, look, Paul actually taught a different gospel than Jesus.
[00:26:13]  Is that the case?
[00:26:15]  I firmly reject that.
[00:26:16]  The Bible is the word of God.
[00:26:18]  And you can point to alleged inconsistencies of the Bible.
[00:26:22]  I have several books on hard sayings of the Bible, alleged inconsistencies, the Bible, encyclopedia of Bible difficulties.
[00:26:30]  And it's fascinating how the scholars go through those and explain them.
[00:26:35]  But I don't think that Paul deviates at all from the gospel.
[00:26:41]  He might augment it and add things.
[00:26:43]  Otherwise, there'd be no reason to have additional books in the Bible if the gospels told the whole story or if the Old Testament did.
[00:26:50]  It's all one integrated story, Old Testament, New Testament.
[00:26:54]  We need the whole thing to understand the glory, the majesty of God's plan for creation and human beings.
[00:27:01]  Jesus Christ himself said, I am the way, the truth, and the life.
[00:27:06]  There is no other way to the Father except through me.
[00:27:09]  Meaning, you have to put your saving faith in Christ for eternal life.
[00:27:14]  Paul is very explicit throughout and writes that.
[00:27:17]  And so these people who are works-based and faith plus works, I think are wrong.
[00:27:22]  I think the gospels and Paul's writings and the other New Testament writers are consistent that salvation is by faith alone in Jesus Christ.
[00:27:33]  Otherwise, the finished work on the cross is we're making a mockery of Christ's work on the cross.
[00:27:39]  Why would a God, why would the God become a human being?
[00:27:44]  And like it'd be worse than a human being becoming an ant.
[00:27:48]  Why would he do that if he didn't need to do it?
[00:27:50]  If human beings could pick themselves up by their own bootstraps, why would God become man?
[00:27:56]  It's this robust, incomprehensible love that led him to condescend.

=== Why God Became Human (06:32) ===

[00:28:02]  And they got a love.
[00:28:03]  That's there you go.
[00:28:04]  That's a big thing.
[00:28:05]  Thank you, God.
[00:28:06]  Yeah.
[00:28:07]  And we know that actually in a discourse between Jesus and I think Nicodemus in John 2 or 3, obviously the most famous verse, for God so loved the world.
[00:28:18]  So the book is Resurrected Jesus, the Resurrected Jesus, the Church in the New Testament, David Limbaugh.
[00:28:25]  And it's a very important book for anyone that might be new to faith or someone that even is, you know, maybe you're the expert and you know all this stuff already.
[00:28:32]  I bet you'll learn something though.
[00:28:33]  It's very important.
[00:28:34]  And it's also a series in other books as well.
[00:28:38]  This is kind of a genre you're creating, right?
[00:28:40]  Yeah, the first was Jesus on Trial, the apologetics and faith journey.
[00:28:44]  Second was the Emmaus Code, Jesus in the Old Testament, how he's prophesied and all that blows people away when they read about that.
[00:28:50]  And then the true Jesus, which is a compendium of the gospels in chronological order.
[00:28:55]  Jesus is risen, the last one, which was the first, the book of Acts and Paul's first six epistles.
[00:29:01]  This one, the resurrected Jesus, the final seven epistles of Paul.
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[00:30:11]  David, skeptics or people that used to be Christians, that's an interesting question.
[00:30:16]  Can someone actually stop being a Christian?
[00:30:18]  I love your thoughts on that.
[00:30:19]  If they say they give their life to Christ, was it actually authentic?
[00:30:21]  And that's not my question.
[00:30:23]  They say that there is contradictions in Paul's writing.
[00:30:26]  Do you believe that?
[00:30:28]  No.
[00:30:29]  No, but where you asked me first whether you can fall out of grace?
[00:30:32]  Was that your...
[00:30:34]  No, I actually, I didn't plan to ask you, but I'm curious your answer.
[00:30:37]  You know, I'm kind of a hybrid between a Calvinist and an Arminian.
[00:30:41]  And I'm not a five-point Calvinist.
[00:30:44]  I don't believe that God elects people to go to hell randomly and arbitrarily.
[00:30:50]  But I will say that so many of the writers I respect the most are Calvinist writers.
[00:30:55]  That's just another, they're such geniuses.
[00:30:57]  It's just a few things I disagree with.
[00:30:59]  I think there's scriptural authority for both views, honestly.
[00:31:03]  And you might call that inconsistent.
[00:31:04]  I don't think it's inconsistent, but it's troubling.
[00:31:07]  And why did God superintend the writing of the Bible to cause or to allow these kind of difficulties?
[00:31:14]  One theory I have is it causes people like you and me and others to really dig deeper into scripture.
[00:31:20]  And that ultimately leads us closer.
[00:31:22]  So now what was the other question you asked?
[00:31:25]  I'm sorry.
[00:31:25]  No, the question was contradictions.
[00:31:27]  There actually is a nice parallel to that, which is some people would say, okay, Charlie, Paul talks about faith.
[00:31:33]  And then James, the half-brother of Jesus, says, well, without works, faith is dead.
[00:31:38]  I'm paraphrasing, right?
[00:31:39]  So how do I reconcile that?
[00:31:42]  Well, there's two different ways that I understand it.
[00:31:45]  One is that James was not talking about justification in the same way.
[00:31:52]  It was another use of the term where I think he was actually talking about sanctification, meaning becoming holier once you're a believer.
[00:32:00]  The other explanation is that what James is really saying, without a demonstration of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, without a demonstration of good works, it is a pretty good indication that you were not saved in the first place.
[00:32:15]  And so I think the thrust of the New Testament writers overwhelmingly is that it's faith alone is what leads to salvation, faith alone in Christ.
[00:32:25]  Yeah, there are some things, faith plus baptism and all that kind of thing.
[00:32:29]  And you think, well, why did that?
[00:32:31]  But ultimately, the thrust of it, you read all scripture in context, and I don't think there's any real doubt about it.
[00:32:39]  And so I don't understand why so many Christian denominations or some Christian denominations add works to the mix.
[00:32:46]  Works are critically important, though.
[00:32:49]  And I, because I think this is a misunderstanding, too.
[00:32:53]  Just because, and Paul addresses this directly.
[00:32:56]  So now I have faith and now I'm saved.
[00:32:58]  Does that mean I'm free to sin?
[00:32:59]  And he says, by no means.
[00:33:01]  Yeah, he says that in Romans.
[00:33:03]  He's like, are we now supposed to just going to throw, can we do whatever we want?
[00:33:06]  Like Romans 6 or something.
[00:33:07]  Yes, yes.
[00:33:08]  And no, he goes on to say we have actual higher duty.
[00:33:11]  That's exactly what we call it.
[00:33:12]  Yeah, we have a higher calling.
[00:33:13]  That's right.
[00:33:13]  Yeah.
[00:33:13]  And by the way, guess who's laid out that higher duty?
[00:33:16]  Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.
[00:33:18]  You read the standards that he exacted.
[00:33:22]  Yeah, you just, it's absurd.
[00:33:24]  And I used to think, why did he do that?
[00:33:26]  Well, now I think I've come to understand the reason he did is to demonstrate just how we really are sinners and we're hopeless without him.
[00:33:34]  For example, you know, instinctively, you know, unless you're dishonest with yourself, that we have evil thoughts as human beings.
[00:33:45]  And when Jesus said, you're looking at a girl and lusting after her in your heart, you have committed adultery or rape or whatever, adultery probably.
[00:33:56]  Now, I first thought, what?
[00:33:58]  Is that hyperbole?
[00:33:59]  And the truth is, I don't think what he's saying is to think a thought, an evil thought, is as bad as acting on it.
[00:34:05]  I think we get points for restraining ourselves and controlling ourselves through the Holy Spirit.
[00:34:12]  But it points out that it really, he doesn't say it's just as evil.
[00:34:16]  He says it's evil.
[00:34:17]  And I don't know about you, but I know that I have evil thoughts and that there's no way I can save myself.
[00:34:23]  It's absurd.
[00:34:24]  We cannot live in the presence of a holy, perfect God without appropriating the finished work of his son on the cross.
[00:34:31]  We just can't do it.
[00:34:32]  So I don't, it just doesn't bother me.

=== Controlling Thoughts Through The Spirit (01:02) ===

[00:34:35]  These higher standards now, I used to look at them as that's right.
[00:34:38]  And that's where Paul comes in.
[00:34:40]  He says, hey, if you want to renew your mind, don't conform to the ways of this world.
[00:34:43]  Romans 12, 2.
[00:34:44]  Phenomenal book, Resurrected Jesus.
[00:34:47]  You're welcome back anytime.
[00:34:48]  I'd love to have you talk about your other books as well.
[00:34:50]  It's just terrific.
[00:34:52]  And I had so many other questions I plan to ask you, but we only have some.
[00:34:55]  Can I just say one thing?
[00:34:56]  My daughter just added so much to this book, and I feel bad because I meant to ask about that.
[00:35:01]  I'm sorry.
[00:35:02]  Yes.
[00:35:02]  Yeah, I know.
[00:35:02]  We ran out of time, but she substantively added, I wanted to help jumpstart her.
[00:35:06]  She's already a writer, and I wanted to help her get into the book writing.
[00:35:09]  And her prayers and her addition to the text are really moving to me, I think.
[00:35:14]  So we'll see.
[00:35:15]  Well, we'll have her on with you next time as well.
[00:35:18]  David, God bless you.
[00:35:19]  Thank you so much.
[00:35:19]  Phenomenal work.
[00:35:20]  Thank you.
[00:35:21]  Appreciate your work very much.
[00:35:23]  Thank you.
[00:35:24]  Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
[00:35:25]  Email me your thoughts as always.
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[00:35:28]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:35:29]  God bless.
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