The Charlie Kirk Show - Blood Clots? Ivermectin Vindicated? Dr. Pierre Kory & Dr. Robert Malone in One Episode
Aired: 2022-09-08
Duration: 35:31


=== New Study Vindicates Ivermectin (14:35) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello, everybody.
[00:00:01]  Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:02]  We got Dr. Pierre Corey with us to talk about ivermectin, a new study that vindicates ivermectin further.
[00:00:09]  And then Dr. Robert Malone, what is inverted totalitarianism?
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[00:02:24]  Joining us now is Dr. Pierre Corey.
[00:02:26]  Doctor, welcome back to the program.
[00:02:28]  Hey, Charlie, good to be back.
[00:02:30]  Thanks.
[00:02:30]  So, doctor, it seems as if there's a study that came out recently that reinforces everything you've been saying for the last 18 months.
[00:02:39]  Tell us about it.
[00:02:41]  Yeah.
[00:02:42]  So, I mean, this is really the second study from the same group.
[00:02:46]  I was a co-author.
[00:02:47]  I didn't do the study, but I helped in the preparation and writing.
[00:02:51]  You know, it's a study that comes out of data from a city in Brazil called Itajai.
[00:02:56]  And it's the largest study on ivermectin to date.
[00:02:59]  And in this follow-up study, so the first one showed what we knew would happen, which is it showed this massive reduction in infections, in hospitalizations, and death amongst it was at that time, it was 159,000 subjects in a program in that city where they offered all the city city members or the citizens of that city an opportunity to participate in a prevention program by taking ivermectin four days a month.
[00:03:28]  And, you know, beyond what that study found, this was a follow-up study where they looked at the subjects and they split them up into those who took ivermectin regularly, those who didn't take all the doses that they were supposed to, and those who didn't at all.
[00:03:41]  And when you looked at the regular ivermectin users, I mean, it was just absolutely eye-popping.
[00:03:46]  I mean, it was a 92% reduction in death and 100% reduction in hospitalization.
[00:03:52]  Nobody went to the hospital, and there was about 50% reduction in infections.
[00:03:56]  You know, the thing is, though, Charlie, you know this.
[00:03:59]  We have had data showing the efficacy of ivermectin now for almost two years.
[00:04:05]  The data is overwhelming.
[00:04:06]  The evidence-based is now 91 controlled studies, of which this is the second largest.
[00:04:12]  And every single study always shows the benefits.
[00:04:16]  Some of them may not statistically significant, but that's not what you use.
[00:04:19]  You use the aggregate of all the data.
[00:04:21]  I've never seen a more proven medicine in any disease model in my life.
[00:04:25]  This one is just, this one just, you know, it's hard to argue data anymore.
[00:04:30]  I'll tell you how, sorry, I'll tell you how they argue it, but not, you know, it's not honest and it's full of lies.
[00:04:39]  So, doctor, I mean, we've been through this a couple of times, but I think it's worth repeating.
[00:04:44]  This is an incredibly frustrating moment because you just said, and I don't, I want to make sure I'm precise in repeating it, the most effective drug you've ever seen against a specific virus.
[00:04:54]  Is that right?
[00:04:56]  Absolutely.
[00:04:57]  I mean, I've studied a lot of different therapies and interventions and numerous different diseases that I've managed over my career.
[00:05:03]  And this one is absolutely the most potent.
[00:05:05]  I mean, when I first started using it in the pandemic, I mean, I knew from my first patient, I mean, she was sick for two weeks, unrelenting fevers, high heart rates.
[00:05:13]  She couldn't get out of bed.
[00:05:15]  And she took ivermectin on a Sunday night.
[00:05:17]  And by Monday morning, her heart rate was down to 80.
[00:05:20]  She defferves and she felt like she felt so, so much better.
[00:05:24]  And that was within 12 hours of the first dose.
[00:05:27]  And that same response continued to be observed for many, many months.
[00:05:32]  Now, things got different later with different variants.
[00:05:35]  You needed more drugs or medicines.
[00:05:37]  That's why our protocols have combinations of therapies, but ivermectin was always a mainstay and has always shown efficacy.
[00:05:44]  But so is there any correction from the institutions that are now happening with these studies?
[00:05:50]  Is there any retreat?
[00:05:52]  I mean, we're talking about lives here, Doctor.
[00:05:53]  I know this is what really animates you, as it does me.
[00:05:57]  I lost mentors and friends of people that died alone in a hospital because they were given a ventilator, and that was it.
[00:06:04]  That was like the treatment protocol.
[00:06:07]  I mean, there's no bringing those people back.
[00:06:09]  It's not going to happen.
[00:06:10]  Are there any apologies, any adjustments, doctor?
[00:06:16]  Not on ivermectin.
[00:06:17]  I mean, the academia and listen, the way in which they did this is it's been well documented for decades that pharma controls the high-impact journals.
[00:06:27]  It's the high-impact journals that drive the headlines and that drive doctors' behaviors and beliefs.
[00:06:33]  Pharma knows this.
[00:06:34]  This is why they captured those journals decades ago.
[00:06:36]  This is why former editors of those journals have since left, resigned, and written books about it, about the overwhelming influence of pharma.
[00:06:45]  And the tactic in which they deployed is they have published the only studies they publish in those high-impact journals are purportedly negative studies, and meaning they didn't show a statistically significant benefit.
[00:06:58]  And then those studies are used to drive headlines and guidelines.
[00:07:01]  And those are just under a handful of studies of the 91 that we have.
[00:07:06]  And it's a sleight of hand trick.
[00:07:08]  They have, I mean, the system across the world, the academia, guidelines, and agencies are so dug in against ivermectin.
[00:07:16]  I don't see any retreat.
[00:07:17]  However, Charlie, we are starting to see retreats on the vaccines.
[00:07:22]  You saw the CDC guidance recently now starting to admit that it might not protect against or doesn't protect against transmission.
[00:07:30]  And I'll tell you the two big retreats I saw.
[00:07:32]  And again, I'm changing the subject to vaccines because I don't see it on ivermectin.
[00:07:36]  The two big ones are the UK changed, quietly changed their guidance on their website, now saying that they have no safety data to support the vaccination of pregnant women.
[00:07:46]  And they also updated their guidance to say they're no longer offering vaccines to five to 11-year-olds.
[00:07:52]  So you're starting to see some backtracking away from these vaccines, but I don't see any on ivermectin.
[00:07:59]  This has been roundly ignored by almost all major media, with the exception of the Blaze, which has a large following and readership.
[00:08:07]  So you're seeing a drive, you know, you see social media.
[00:08:10]  So definitely that is one kind of major media outlet that covered it.
[00:08:15]  And so there is a discussion on ivermectin, but you're not going to see a change from these agencies.
[00:08:20]  They're completely captured, like we've talked about before.
[00:08:22]  It's regulatory capture.
[00:08:24]  And Charlie, if they backtracked on ivermectin, it would threaten the market for Molnu Piravir, Paxlovid, anything else they have in their pipeline.
[00:08:35]  They're not going to do it.
[00:08:36]  It's so cynical, but it's so true.
[00:08:37]  We're talking about profit motive over lives.
[00:08:41]  And look, I say this as a free market guy.
[00:08:43]  There's something fundamentally wrong with it.
[00:08:45]  And I had this debate with a libertarian guy the other day.
[00:08:48]  He said, the market will always solve everything.
[00:08:50]  I said, wait a second.
[00:08:50]  You have a cheaper, more effective drug as the ivermectin.
[00:08:55]  Why is that not then getting out there?
[00:08:57]  Sometimes there are things that are outside of market forces that actually the opposite happens, where the market force actually incentivizes you to get the less effective, more expensive drug.
[00:09:07]  And so I'm not saying, you know, you have government take over everything, obviously.
[00:09:11]  I'm not saying I'm just at times, though, you have to remove yourself from whatever ideology you might be focused on and ask yourself, what is good for people?
[00:09:19]  And why is that the cheap, widely accessible drug that obviously works?
[00:09:23]  And I'll just back you up, Doctor.
[00:09:24]  I mean, I'm far from a doctor, but many people I have helped connect with your network and others to help get ivermectin.
[00:09:32]  And every single person, praise God, made a speedy recovery.
[00:09:36]  As soon as ivermectin hit their system, it was almost, it was miraculous.
[00:09:40]  Tyler Boyer, one of our team members here, had a 10-day thing.
[00:09:43]  He was not doing well.
[00:09:45]  And Ivermectin turned it around.
[00:09:47]  Yeah, it happens all the time, like I said.
[00:09:50]  And you're right about those markets.
[00:09:52]  Without getting into how the market solves anything, I will just say this: is that the healthcare market, especially around pharmaceuticals and therapeutics, has never worked in our favor.
[00:10:04]  It has always been controlled by pharma.
[00:10:06]  And pharma, their whole operating model is what you just said.
[00:10:10]  It's about preserving and pretending and trying to prove that the new shinier pill works better than the old, cheaper, off-patent one.
[00:10:19]  That has been the truth in the pharmaceutical industry for decades.
[00:10:23]  Ivermectin is only the latest.
[00:10:25]  The first one they attacked was hydroxychloroquine and COVID.
[00:10:28]  They've attacked others, but this is what they do.
[00:10:31]  They've done it for decades.
[00:10:32]  You cannot use off-patent medicines.
[00:10:34]  It will destroy their bottom line.
[00:10:36]  And that market is geared to always get you to get the new shiny pill.
[00:10:39]  And I have to look at, I mean, I watch a lot of football.
[00:10:42]  I must have seen at least five advertisements over the weekend of Pfizer running these apps.
[00:10:48]  You saw these ads?
[00:10:49]  Maybe you didn't.
[00:10:50]  I mean, I've seen them.
[00:10:51]  And they say, you know, COVID really hurts the overweight.
[00:10:54]  I say, wait a second.
[00:10:55]  For a year and a half, we were saying that.
[00:10:57]  So now they say it.
[00:10:58]  And then they say, by the way, ask your doctor about a Pfizer-approved oral.
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[00:12:05]  I want to get your thoughts, though, on the booster shot, doctor.
[00:12:08]  It seems as if they're pushing this rather aggressively.
[00:12:12]  What are your thoughts on people getting the booster shot?
[00:12:16]  Why are they pushing this so hard?
[00:12:18]  Doctor, what are your thoughts?
[00:12:20]  So, Charlie, we already have immense amount of data showing that the boosted fare worse on almost every respect.
[00:12:29]  There's numerous countries' data showing the double, triple boosted.
[00:12:33]  They go to the hospital more, they die more.
[00:12:35]  And that's leaving alone looks at excess mortality.
[00:12:39]  You know, I'm really tired of these sleight of hand tricks, right?
[00:12:42]  They want everyone to think that COVID is the worst thing that can happen to you.
[00:12:47]  It is not.
[00:12:48]  Dying is the worst thing that happened to you.
[00:12:50]  And the vaccinated and boosted are dying at higher rates than anyone else.
[00:12:54]  And so when you put your buttons on and just look at COVID, maybe you have an argument, but not there.
[00:12:58]  No, but sorry to interrupt.
[00:13:00]  I don't want to be rude, but is the argument I get every time I say that, they say it's because sicker, older people get vaccinated, therefore they're dying at higher rates.
[00:13:09]  Is that true?
[00:13:11]  It is true that sicker and older people die from COVID more often.
[00:13:15]  It is not true that the vaccines will change that frequency.
[00:13:21]  It just doesn't.
[00:13:22]  The vaccines have failed, Charlie.
[00:13:24]  They've failed for every age group.
[00:13:26]  They've failed on toxicity and they failed on efficacy.
[00:13:30]  And really, the way to judge a vaccine is what it does to your health.
[00:13:33]  And like I said, if you're going to be disabled more and die more from a vaccine, who cares whether it's from COVID or not?
[00:13:40]  And even when you just look at COVID, again, the data, non-U.S. data, right, the U.S. data unfortunately is corrupt.
[00:13:47]  And I don't know if I've talked to you how they've done that, but we know that the hospital, those in the hospital have been doubly vaccinated, triply vaccinated, and there are high proportions in hospitals per 100,000.
[00:14:00]  It's not just because they've, you know, more countries have higher vaccination rates.
[00:14:04]  This is per 100,000.
[00:14:05]  So the rate of those entering hospitals is higher than the vaccines.
[00:14:09]  The other thing, Charlie, is we have just absolutely terrifying emerging data about the immune suppression of the vaccines.
[00:14:16]  You already saw that outbreak of this childhood hepatitis, which we believe is due to mass immune suppression.
[00:14:24]  We already have data showing incredible amounts of cancers.
[00:14:29]  The heart attacks, the strokes in young people without comorbidities.
[00:14:33]  I mean, the data is just absolutely overwhelming.

=== Record Blood Clots Emerge (09:04) ===

[00:14:36]  But going back to your question, why do they keep pushing this?
[00:14:40]  Listen, their actions can only be understood one way since the beginning.
[00:14:48]  They have just been relentless in pushing their products.
[00:14:51]  There is nothing that will stop them.
[00:14:53]  No amount of data which will stop them.
[00:14:55]  They're going to push their pricey pills and they're going to push their vaccines, no matter how illogical or how non-scientifically supported.
[00:15:02]  And somehow a large part of the country goes along with that and trusts them.
[00:15:06]  The implicit faith and trust, I don't know how they've retained it because it's eroded for large parts of the country, but I would still say that some majority still believes that there is truth and science and expertise coming out of those agencies.
[00:15:20]  And that has not been true for a long time.
[00:15:23]  Yeah, you're right.
[00:15:24]  It's about product pushing.
[00:15:25]  So what can be done?
[00:15:27]  What is the path forward?
[00:15:28]  What is the solution to some of this stuff?
[00:15:30]  We need to obviously keep on elevating voices like yours, but when I see these Pfizer advertisements, I get angry.
[00:15:38]  What's the path forward?
[00:15:40]  So you have to uncover the fraud.
[00:15:42]  We know that this campaign is built on immense amount of fraud starting from your initial trials.
[00:15:48]  The real answer, I think, there's twofold.
[00:15:50]  One is the legal route and one is the media route.
[00:15:52]  The media route, I don't know how to do that one because there really has been global censorship across major media for most of the pandemic.
[00:16:02]  They have hidden so much troubling data on the vaccines and shown so much efficacious data on repurposed drugs.
[00:16:09]  But I think the legal route, it's time for the lawyers, the judges, and the prisons.
[00:16:14]  Because if you go the legal route, you can get what's called discovery.
[00:16:18]  We can find out how much they knew, what they knew, how much they buried.
[00:16:23]  And I really think that people are going to be held accountable.
[00:16:25]  And through those court cases, I think the truth will come out.
[00:16:28]  But this is a war of information, Charlie, that we're fighting.
[00:16:31]  And the other side is absolutely incredibly powerful.
[00:16:36]  And because I see it.
[00:16:37]  I see it in society.
[00:16:38]  I see the whole healthcare system.
[00:16:40]  You have an entire country's doctors who are doing insane things, like ignoring natural immunity.
[00:16:46]  They have no knowledge of the toxicity because of this censorship and propaganda.
[00:16:50]  And again, I'm not an expert on how to fix a world that's gone mad, but I am a diagnostician.
[00:16:55]  And my diagnosis is unrelenting censorship and propaganda.
[00:16:59]  We have to remain committed to the truth, regardless of where it takes us.
[00:17:04]  We have to strip ourselves of ideologies and abstractions.
[00:17:07]  It's very, very important.
[00:17:09]  This entire thing has been about profit and ideology, and people have suffered because of it.
[00:17:15]  Dr. Pier Corey, you're welcome anytime.
[00:17:16]  Thank you so much for joining us.
[00:17:18]  Thanks.
[00:17:19]  Bye now.
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[00:18:23]  And honestly, if I had to make a list of one of the positives that came out of this man-made tragedy of the China virus, it would be getting to know, at least remotely, Dr. Robert Malone.
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[00:18:37]  Doctor, welcome back to the program.
[00:18:39]  So good to see you.
[00:18:40]  And thank you for having me on.
[00:18:42]  Of course.
[00:18:43]  Seems as if there's a lot of blood clots that are popping up across the country in younger, able-bodied people.
[00:18:49]  The devil's advocate argument would be, oh, come on, blood clots are normal.
[00:18:53]  It's just now getting press attention.
[00:18:55]  Is this normal, doctor?
[00:18:57]  It says that a six feet blood clot was removed from a high school football player's leg.
[00:19:02]  What's going on here?
[00:19:04]  So deep venous thrombosis is certainly something that can happen, and we have to be careful about confusing association with causation.
[00:19:16]  But the burden of the data are getting stronger and stronger.
[00:19:21]  And in terms of what's going on, there's a number of papers out now.
[00:19:26]  And it's not just these deep blood clots or the post-mortem autopsy samples, but it's also the lung COVID patients, those that are suffering from this spectrum of problems like I used to suffer from, having to do with tinnitus, hard of hearing, problems with exercise tolerance. brain fog,
[00:19:56]  respiratory problems, and of course cardiac problems.
[00:20:00]  And there's a growing amount of data suggesting that this is due to aberrant clotting that may be driven by the spike protein that's in your blood.
[00:20:10]  And we know from the cell paper that came out at the beginning of this year that that levels of that spike protein S1 subunit in the blood of people who have received the vaccine are higher than in the blood of those that have had the natural infection.
[00:20:29]  So we're having long COVID and the data is demonstrated, and we're also having the post-vaccination syndrome.
[00:20:36]  And the data are demonstrating that these large fraction of these patients have microclots.
[00:20:44]  A number of pathologists, particularly some in South Africa, Dr. Praetorius is often mentioned, have really been on tracking.
[00:20:54]  And there's about to be a meeting of five key pathologists from all across Europe and South Africa and the United States in Vienna very shortly.
[00:21:04]  And my good friend Ryan Cole is going to be there.
[00:21:06]  Ryan has evaluated over 30 of these large clots.
[00:21:11]  And let's, one thing we can dispel is the rumors that this is due to metal particulates or crystalline structures, etc.
[00:21:23]  Ryan is one of the most highly qualified pathologists I've ever met.
[00:21:28]  And he has carefully examined these post-mortem clots.
[00:21:32]  And he sees no sign of any crystalline structures in there.
[00:21:37]  It's easy to find this stuff because it refracts light.
[00:21:41]  And so you can use polarized light and you'll see the crystals.
[00:21:44]  There's no sign of that.
[00:21:46]  And he's done a number of special stains.
[00:21:48]  There does seem to be a problem with something called beta amyloid.
[00:21:53]  And it's true.
[00:21:54]  This is not a rumor.
[00:21:56]  There's evidence of aberrant folding, which is to say that the proteins involved in blood clotting are clotting and aggregating in a very unusual, irregular fashion.
[00:22:09]  And that's probably what's driving these very odd clots that are being seen in the postmortems and also being seen in patients such as the unfortunate gentleman that you're referring to.
[00:22:23]  Yeah.
[00:22:23]  And so what we're seeing is younger and younger people that are getting blood clots, but also embalmers that are now coming out.
[00:22:32]  And they're saying they're seeing record numbers of blood clots and of all sorts of different types of issues.
[00:22:40]  And so I want to play a piece of tape here.
[00:22:44]  Let's play cut 68 and we'll go from there.
[00:22:46]  Warning, the images you're about to see may be disturbing to some viewers.
[00:22:50]  Your discretion is advised.
[00:22:54]  These are not typical blood clots that form after a person's death.
[00:22:58]  When a funeral director sent a sample to a lab in Texas, its elemental composition was found to be extremely low in iron, magnesium, potassium, and zinc.
[00:23:07]  This suggests that the clots are forming from something other than blood.
[00:23:12]  And this is not an isolated case.
[00:23:14]  Many embalmers across the country are finding similar clots in the deceased after COVID-19 vaccination began in 2021.
[00:23:22]  So, Dr. Malone, this is happening in young, able-bodied people, and there's an unusual amount of people just dropping dead for unexplained death.
[00:23:31]  You're the inventor of this technology, and these blood clots are obviously leading into terrible, terrible outcomes.

=== Threat of Administrative State (10:54) ===

[00:23:40]  Do you think we'll ever get an admission from the public health officials that one might be leading to the other?
[00:23:47]  Well, what we do have is the UK is now stopping the jab in children.
[00:23:54]  We have huge amount of data that I'm going to be releasing as a summary that was presented at the recent Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices at the CDC, which demonstrates, as you point out, a remarkably high rate of pediatric complications post-vaccination.
[00:24:15]  And we have these many papers now, and we're now at the level where we're having opinion and review papers published in places like Nature.
[00:24:25]  So this is the top journals, acknowledging that we have this problem of amyloid clots, microclots forming in a broad range of patients.
[00:24:35]  And we have clear, unambiguous data from the CDC's vSAFE system, which has finally come online, which were presented at this recent Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices or ACIP meeting, which demonstrates that we're having a remarkably high rate of adverse events post-vaccination in children.
[00:25:00]  It's unequivocal.
[00:25:02]  It cannot be denied.
[00:25:03]  Other nations are taking action.
[00:25:06]  And in the ACIP meeting, when members of the ACIP who were kind of not with the narrative, doing their job, raised questions, they were basically blown off and disregarded.
[00:25:19]  They were not answered.
[00:25:21]  We're in a situation, Charlie, where the government officials seem, I don't know how else to say this.
[00:25:29]  They seem to be operating in a lawless fashion where they are completely decoupled from any norms or guidance that has previously guided how these decisions are made and these kinds of data are evaluated.
[00:25:44]  In other words, we got a problem, Houston, and I'm not sure what we're going to do about it.
[00:25:50]  Well, so yeah, let me ask you this.
[00:25:52]  Part of what I think needs to be the solution is justice.
[00:25:57]  And justice is, as Aristotle would say, is the messiest of all the virtues, but it's very, very important.
[00:26:03]  And so there's been a recent article, Peter Navarro and Dr. Stephen Hatfield wrote an article the other day accusing Dr. Fauci and his gang of what I would call smug demagogues and ideologues of, they said, quote, mass murder.
[00:26:17]  Do you agree with that?
[00:26:19]  Someone wants to start to pay a penalty for this.
[00:26:22]  Yeah, you're referring to the recent Washington Times office from my friends Hatfield and Navarro, which I read and concur with.
[00:26:31]  More remarkably as shown in the headlines, they are projecting literally hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in the United States alone due to the, let's just call it administrative state to create a basket case around it, due to the administrative state blocking the availability of these existing inexpensive drugs that are clearly increasingly demonstrated to be effective.
[00:27:00]  And to that point, we have yet another article that's come out of Brazil.
[00:27:05]  My friend Flavio has just published.
[00:27:07]  And it had to be in a very low-level peer-reviewed journal because none of the big journals would take it.
[00:27:12]  But it unequivocally demonstrates the effectiveness of ivermectin and prophylaxis.
[00:27:19]  The thing that my friend Brett Weinstein advocated for so long ago in that podcast with myself and Steve Kirsch, and which caused him to be demonetized by YouTube.
[00:27:32]  The data are coming out now, Charlie.
[00:27:34]  They're not going to be able to hide.
[00:27:36]  And I agree, there has to be consequences for these actions, but they can't happen unless there is a wave election at the midterm.
[00:27:46]  That's right.
[00:27:46]  That's just the way things are.
[00:27:49]  And part of the mandate needs to be to disassemble the administrative state.
[00:27:53]  You know, I always try to look for positives in life because we're just surrounded by negatives.
[00:27:57]  In fact, in human psychology, you know this is that we're actually, I believe God designed us this way.
[00:28:03]  Some people would say it's evolutionarily because of this way.
[00:28:05]  We're designed to see danger, right?
[00:28:08]  We're not designed to see all the good things that are around us.
[00:28:11]  That's partially what keeps us alive, but also in a comfortable world that can keep you also insane.
[00:28:17]  I think one of the positives, though, is that people are starting to recognize the threat of the administrative state and what needs to be done to hold them accountable.
[00:28:26]  How does that tie into everything we're talking about, this fourth branch of government, unelected, unknown, unchecked power of the administrative state?
[00:28:34]  The administrative state led by the senior executive service, which virtually cannot be fired unless they do something that is particularly egregious, is what Mr. Trump tried to get rid of and to break.
[00:28:48]  And they are the ones that run the government.
[00:28:51]  They run the executive branch.
[00:28:53]  The presidency does not direct the administrative state.
[00:28:57]  It's upside down.
[00:28:59]  This is called inverted totalitarianism.
[00:29:02]  And Mr. Trump actually needs credit for what he did do, including the attempt to get Schedule F through as a strategy to try to break this up.
[00:29:13]  They are very, very deeply entrenched, and they're fighting back on a daily basis.
[00:29:20]  It's not just the documentation now that's coming out about the just casual, complete collusion between the administrative state and tech and media to censor people and to stop information sharing.
[00:29:37]  But it's also now this evidence we have in all these other agencies of the administrative state lashing out in a whole variety of ways.
[00:29:49]  And we can speak about the FBI, et cetera, but I think you just had better experts on than I for that.
[00:29:56]  Well, Dr. Malone, you have wisdom in all fields.
[00:29:59]  In fact, I just wrote down, and I don't have a lot of talents.
[00:30:02]  I have a talent for spotting one-liners and things that really pop.
[00:30:06]  Inverted totalitarianism.
[00:30:07]  That's right up there with mass formation psychosis.
[00:30:12]  It really is a question of: do we want to live in a republic or do we want to live in some form of a kleptocratic monarchy?
[00:30:20]  A lot of this goes downstream from there, but the argument you're making and the term that you used is inverted totalitarianism is that it's not just top down, it's also bottom up.
[00:30:30]  Is that right?
[00:30:31]  Yeah, so we have the collusion and integration of these large bureaucrats, these very powerful bureaucrats.
[00:30:40]  And it's also a vertical integration up to the United Nations and the World Health Organization, and then a horizontal integration with big financial interests, big industry, tech, pharma, et cetera.
[00:30:55]  And Charlie, I'm sure your audience knows it.
[00:30:58]  I've been beating the drum for a long time now.
[00:31:01]  The literal political science definition or the term fascism, I don't use that term lightly, is the fusion of the interests of large corporations and the state.
[00:31:14]  And that's what we have right now.
[00:31:16]  But like with many totalitarian structures, this is almost leaderless.
[00:31:24]  They can replace any leader at the top because the leader doesn't matter.
[00:31:29]  We can see that in our lives over the last few years.
[00:31:33]  And you can see how the policies have been carried all the way through, whether it was the Trump administration or this current one.
[00:31:44]  And what that demonstrates is the enormous power of this entrenched bureaucracy that political scientists call the administrative state.
[00:31:54]  This isn't a conspiracy term.
[00:31:56]  I try to stick with the real solid use of language and definitions that are the norm in political science and psychology to try to describe these phenomena.
[00:32:07]  And that's what this is.
[00:32:09]  This is literally the actual definition of fascism, which is the fusion of the interests of corporations and the state.
[00:32:18]  That's so well put.
[00:32:19]  Yeah, the administrative state is actually a very technical term.
[00:32:22]  It came about prior to Woodrow Wilson by German historicists who, interestingly enough, were also fascinated with the reconfiguration of the human species as well.
[00:32:33]  A lot of mad scientists and a lot of the most extreme, let's just say, and disastrous interventions in humanity happened from those very same people.
[00:32:44]  Your thoughts, Doctor?
[00:32:46]  Eugenics.
[00:32:47]  And now in the modern embodiment, we have Mr. Harari who reports to Mr. Schwab.
[00:32:54]  And we have also this fascinating logic.
[00:32:58]  I use the term trying to be gentle and not alarmist.
[00:33:04]  But there's a report that we've covered in our substack that is issued by the combined think tank for the German and British military that strongly advocates for transhumanism.
[00:33:19]  It acknowledges the transhumanism, which the World Economic Forum believes is the next generation, the next industrial revolution, where we will accelerate human evolution through the fusion of man and machine and the use of genetic engineering,
[00:33:37]  that the armed forces and presumably the Five Eyes Alliance, which we're a part of together with Australia and Canada, believe that it's necessary to move forward with the transhumanism agenda because apparently the Chinese are doing it.
[00:33:54]  And it's the same logic as with nuclear war, mutually assured destruction.
[00:33:59]  They're doing it, so we have to do it, even though the ethics aren't sound.
[00:34:04]  We're in a situation, as you know, as a key thought leader in this area, Charlie, where we have thrown out the Judeo-Christian playbook in terms of ethics.
[00:34:15]  We believe that's irrelevant now.
[00:34:17]  That's not me, not you, not our audience, but these people that are making these decisions believe that ethics are irrelevant and man is just another thing that can be manipulated and should be manipulated.

=== Spiritually Dark World (00:57) ===

[00:34:34]  And, you know, you know, this goes right down the Harare discussions about the genetics of belief and belief in a higher power, et cetera.
[00:34:47]  It's a very bizarre world.
[00:34:50]  It's twisted.
[00:34:51]  It's demented.
[00:34:52]  I believe it's spiritually dark.
[00:34:54]  Some would say even demonic.
[00:34:56]  I really do believe that.
[00:34:58]  So I'm with you on that.
[00:35:01]  Doctor, we're out of time.
[00:35:02]  I hope to have you at one of our events.
[00:35:04]  We would love that.
[00:35:05]  We have a big one in December in Phoenix, Arizona.
[00:35:07]  I'm going to try to get you out here.
[00:35:08]  But you're special and thank you for your courage and for your clarity.
[00:35:11]  We really appreciate it.
[00:35:12]  Thank you, Doctor.
[00:35:13]  Thank you, Charlie.
[00:35:14]  Bye-bye.
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