The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing New Mar-A-Lago Raid BOMBSHELLS with John Solomon
Aired: 2022-08-24
Duration: 33:20


=== Whitner Trial Bombshell (12:45) ===

[00:00:00]  Two suspects in the Whitner case found guilty.
[00:00:04]  Julie Kelly joins us and John Solomon joins with a bombshell about the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
[00:00:11]  He's got the receipts.
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[00:00:59]  All right, Jack, for somebody tuning in for Charlie Kirk.
[00:01:02]  The email is freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:01:04]  And yes, I'm reading your emails all throughout the show, but we do have breaking news.
[00:01:11]  And we've been talking about the FBI all day today.
[00:01:14]  How can we fix this thing?
[00:01:15]  Can we defund it?
[00:01:16]  Can we turn it into something like Interpol where and we empower state agencies?
[00:01:21]  What are we going to do with this thing?
[00:01:23]  That's the discussion that we're having.
[00:01:25]  And I'm bringing on, yes, multiple people with different perspectives on what we should do with the FBI.
[00:01:31]  But here is the breaking news.
[00:01:33]  Two men, Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr., have just been found guilty in the Michigan Governor Whitmer kidnapping plot.
[00:01:42]  The same plot that I think to everybody out there looking at this looks like an FBI entrapment operation, where the majority of people that were involved in this thing were actually FBI agents themselves.
[00:01:55]  And we've got the great, none other than the great Julie Kelly on to respond to this, to break it down, and to understand why exactly it is that we're putting the FBI on the table and deciding what should be done with this, because we are the people in this country, not the bureaucracy.
[00:02:12]  We are not ruled by them and we will not be.
[00:02:14]  Julie Kelly, I'd love to get your response on this.
[00:02:18]  I'm stunned, quite frankly, infuriated, because I'll tell you what, Jack, I followed the first trial in April very closely.
[00:02:26]  These same two men, a jury could not come reach a verdict.
[00:02:30]  Their two defendants were outright acquitted after their attorneys successfully convinced the jury that they had been entrapped by the FBI.
[00:02:38]  So fast forward April to August, what's changed?
[00:02:41]  The judge in the case.
[00:02:42]  The judge, a George W. Bush appointee, he's been on the federal bench since 2007.
[00:02:48]  He knew the stakes of this case, not just for DOJ and FBI, but for Governor Whitmer, who's up for re-election in a tight race.
[00:02:57]  He did not just put his thumb on the scale in favor of the government and this trial.
[00:03:01]  He put his entire body on it.
[00:03:04]  And the jury really had no choice but to go along with the judge's instructions.
[00:03:10]  Listen to this, Jack.
[00:03:12]  The judge in this case last week limited the defense attorney's cross-examination of two government witnesses, two men who pleaded guilty, cooperating witnesses.
[00:03:23]  They were supposed to be part of this kidnapping conspiracy, limited their cross-examination time.
[00:03:29]  The judge has never done this before.
[00:03:31]  It's never really done in criminal cases.
[00:03:33]  I was hearing from attorneys who were shocked at this.
[00:03:36]  So he was basically informing the jury that he was going to limit.
[00:03:42]  He continued to interrupt the defense.
[00:03:44]  At one point, after the jury left, he scolded defense attorneys for wasting the jurors' time on quote unquote crap, their line of questioning and evidence.
[00:03:53]  I mean, this was just such a flagrant example.
[00:03:56]  The federal judge realizing the political stakes and favorite doing whatever he could to help the government make their extremely weak case that these men were guilty of conspiring to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
[00:04:10]  So let me go through that a little bit more because you're saying that the judge in this case, keep in mind, these guys have already gone through one trial.
[00:04:18]  That's right.
[00:04:19]  They couldn't get the jury to agree on these charges because they looked at the thing and the jurors were saying, and keep in mind, and Julie, you more than anyone else, also Revolver.news, the great Garabiti has gone through all this.
[00:04:31]  I've read the text messages that were going through on this.
[00:04:34]  And I say this as a prior intelligence officer, that I get what they were doing.
[00:04:38]  Okay, they were trying, they were looking at this as if it was some kind of game.
[00:04:42]  This is what the FBI agents were doing.
[00:04:44]  They were looking at this as if it was a game and they wanted to rack up as many points as they could.
[00:04:49]  But those points are actual human beings, ruined their lives, entrap them in this thing, get them to just, they walk them up to the line, and then they push them just a little bit over, and suddenly you're done.
[00:05:02]  Suddenly, that's it.
[00:05:03]  We've got you for everything.
[00:05:05]  The last case that couldn't be found done, but I want to go and drill down on this a little bit more.
[00:05:09]  You're saying the judge put his entire body on the scale, limited the defense attorneys.
[00:05:14]  What was specifically called a lot of the crap line of questioning?
[00:05:17]  What was it that he refused to allow the defense attorneys to dig into?
[00:05:22]  I want to get back quickly, though.
[00:05:23]  In the first and second trial, there are hundreds of incriminating text messages, communications between their FBI handlers and FBI informants.
[00:05:31]  This judge in the first trial and then the second trial again refused to let the jury to see those texts, which lays out this elaborate, detailed entrapment operation.
[00:05:43]  Pulling the Steve Bennon right there.
[00:05:45]  You're saying that those text messages that I've read, that you've read, that anybody can go read about that lay out the fact that this was an entrapment operation, the jury wasn't even allowed to see those.
[00:05:57]  The overwhelming majority, the jury was not allowed to see.
[00:06:01]  So the infamous text about mission is to kill the governor specifically related to what the FBI wanted to do, not just in Michigan, but in Virginia.
[00:06:12]  The jury never saw that.
[00:06:14]  We're talking hundreds of communications.
[00:06:17]  Listen to this, Jack.
[00:06:18]  There were a thousand hours of recorded conversations between FBI informants and their targets.
[00:06:25]  The government played less than two hours of those clips.
[00:06:30]  But the government said, well, if the defense wants to see them, you know, they can go, well, you had a judge who was already rigging this from the beginning.
[00:06:37]  So then fast forward to the second trial, everyone is stunned.
[00:06:41]  The government never loses cases like this.
[00:06:43]  Not a single conviction in the April trial.
[00:06:45]  The judge realizes the political importance.
[00:06:48]  He has the same rulings, denying the juries the opportunity to see those texts.
[00:06:55]  And also now limiting cross-examination of the government witnesses, limiting jury selection to one day, which a lot of legal experts were very surprised at.
[00:07:05]  He let on the jury a woman who outright said that guns scare her, people who have guns scare her.
[00:07:12]  She was allowed to stay on the jury.
[00:07:14]  He handled the jury selection almost entirely by himself.
[00:07:17]  I think defense attorneys had 15 minutes to try to cross-examine these potential jurors.
[00:07:23]  Then he limited that, constantly interrupted defense attorneys, called their line of questioning crap.
[00:07:29]  And when he limited the time for cross-examination, one of the attorneys said, Look, you are showing the jury your bias.
[00:07:38]  You are very openly siding with the government.
[00:07:41]  You are indicating to them which way they should vote.
[00:07:45]  Obviously, it worked.
[00:07:47]  How, Jack, can you have a trial four months later, two fewer defendants in this conspiracy?
[00:07:53]  And the jury comes back in less than half the time with all guilty verdicts.
[00:07:58]  I mean, this doesn't just happen by accident.
[00:08:01]  Now, this is something where, and I'm sure it's already been discussed, but are you hearing, do they plan an appeal?
[00:08:07]  Do they have the funding for an appeal?
[00:08:10]  Is this something that could be overturned at the higher court?
[00:08:12]  What are you hearing there?
[00:08:14]  I've asked both the defense attorneys, sent them an email if they're going to appeal.
[00:08:18]  I assume that they are going to appeal.
[00:08:20]  They're actually public defenders.
[00:08:22]  They're criminal defense attorneys.
[00:08:23]  They are excellent attorneys, but who've stepped up to act as public defenders for these two men.
[00:08:29]  They have a basis.
[00:08:30]  I'm not an attorney, but you don't have to be to see the basis on numerous levels, how an appeal would be allowed simply by this judge's conduct in the trial and the rulings that he made, and especially limiting cross-examination, which the judge admitted he's never done before.
[00:08:47]  And as I said, I've heard from attorneys who have never seen that in a criminal case, especially one as important as a domestic terror investigation, one of the biggest ones in DOJ's history.
[00:08:59]  So I assume they will appeal.
[00:09:00]  But look, the bottom line is you have two innocent men who are entrapped by this FBI who've already been incarcerated since October of 2020, will languish in jail for at least a few more years before this appeal ever makes it to the appellate court.
[00:09:14]  What do we know about sentencing?
[00:09:16]  What is the sentencing timeline?
[00:09:17]  You're saying they're behind bars now, but they're still waiting.
[00:09:20]  That's pre-trial sentencing, but there will be another, or excuse me, pre-sentencing essentially being held.
[00:09:27]  Do we know when the sentencing date is yet?
[00:09:29]  Have they released that?
[00:09:30]  They did not send a sentencing date yet, but both men faced life in prison.
[00:09:35]  And they had two defendants who pleaded their co-defendants, original co-defendants, who pleaded guilty, of course, for much lower sentencing promises by DOJ, also promises that they would not bring additional charges to the two men who pleaded guilty, which were the two men who the judge limited cross-examination of.
[00:09:53]  I mean, this is a mess from beginning to end, but such a travesty of justice and a green light for this FBI and DOJ to do it all over again.
[00:10:02]  That's the really terrifying part.
[00:10:04]  You said that the judge was limiting the defense and wouldn't even allow a full cross-examination of the other, I guess you could have said they were co-conspirators at the time.
[00:10:15]  They weren't even allowed to get a full cross-examination in front of the jury.
[00:10:19]  These were the guys who were supposedly in on the plot.
[00:10:22]  If we were, you know, if we're just seeking justice here, wouldn't that want to be the people you questioned the most?
[00:10:27]  It absolutely would be.
[00:10:28]  So the question is, why did Judge Jonker limit that line of questioning?
[00:10:34]  He didn't do it in the first trial, Jack, and you had four defense attorneys versus the prosecution.
[00:10:41]  He didn't limit their time.
[00:10:43]  So now we fast forward to this trial.
[00:10:46]  Why all of a sudden is he limited?
[00:10:48]  He's not limiting, you know, Joe Blow, the explosives expert from the FBI or fingerprint expert or whoever.
[00:10:54]  He limited the time for the two most important witnesses, the two men who were supposed to be conspiring with these two other defendants to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer.
[00:11:05]  And so when the jury left that day and both defense attorneys said to the judge, this is a 6A violation, unconstitutional, unfair.
[00:11:15]  The jury deserves to hear exactly what sweetened deals these defendants were getting.
[00:11:19]  They need to fully vet any connection.
[00:11:22]  These two men who pleaded guilty, Ty Garbin and Caleb Franks, had no connection to Barry Croft or Adam Fox.
[00:11:29]  Adam Fox and Barry Croft, the two men found guilty today, Jack, live 800 miles apart.
[00:11:36]  The first time they met was at a national militia conference in Ohio in June of 2020.
[00:11:41]  And guess who organized it?
[00:11:43]  A man named Steve Robeson, a longtime convicted felon, longtime FBI informant, who organized this conference and invited all of these FB's targets to the conference.
[00:11:53]  That's the first time they met.
[00:11:55]  So how do they conspire 800 miles apart, didn't know each other outside of these FBI informants, conspire.
[00:12:02]  Here's the thing, Jack.
[00:12:04]  This is what they're guilty of.
[00:12:05]  Building a bomb, blowing up a bridge outside of Gretchen Whitmer's vacation cottage in Elk Rapids, far north, Michigan, blowing up a bridge, going to her cottage, killing her security detail, abducting her from her cottage, taking her to a boat, putting her in the middle of Lake Michigan in October.
[00:12:24]  Haha, that's funny.
[00:12:25]  I've lived by Lake Michigan my entire life, either leaving her in the middle of the lake or taking her all across across the lake to Wisconsin.
[00:12:32]  This is what the guy who lives in the basement of a vacuum repair shop.
[00:12:38]  That's what he was supposed to do with the guy who lives 800 miles away.
[00:12:42]  The whole thing is inconceivable from the start.
[00:12:45]  The judge knew it.

=== Michigan Bridge Conspiracy (02:32) ===

[00:12:46]  The government knew it.
[00:12:46]  That's why he stepped in and put his full body on the side of the scale, side of the scale from the government.
[00:12:52]  You've been looking at this, I think, more than anybody.
[00:12:55]  What would you like to see?
[00:12:56]  Would you want a full-on abolishment?
[00:12:57]  Do you want reform?
[00:12:58]  Do you want dismantling?
[00:13:00]  Do you want to return back to the states?
[00:13:01]  What's Julie Kelly's call?
[00:13:03]  I think that Kyle Scheidler, our friend, has a very good piece up in American Greatness that explains it has to be disassembled.
[00:13:10]  It's not salvageable, Jack.
[00:13:12]  This happened out of the Detroit FBI field office.
[00:13:15]  It involved other field offices.
[00:13:17]  This is not just a problem with Christopher Wright or, you know, the seventh floor of the Edgar Hoover building.
[00:13:24]  This is infected.
[00:13:25]  This is a climate that has infected every single field office.
[00:13:30]  These are the same agents who are busting down the doors of American citizens and arresting them, aiming their rifles at children and elderly women.
[00:13:40]  I mean, this is not salvageable.
[00:13:42]  It has to be completely dismantled and exposed for the corruption and things that happen, like what happened in this Whitmer fednapping case.
[00:13:50]  I want to see, and I've said this for years, a new church committee.
[00:13:53]  Julie Kelly, where can people get access to your writings?
[00:13:55]  Where can they follow you?
[00:13:56]  I have a lot up at amgreatness.com and covering, still covering things at Twitter, Julie underscore Kelly too.
[00:14:02]  Julie Kelly, God bless you.
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=== Presidential Privilege Debate (11:25) ===

[00:15:18]  And I had to bring on, because, you know, apparently we're right here in the office, John Solomon of Just the News.
[00:15:24]  We've got him here right in studio.
[00:15:25]  I don't think people realize, but John, how far are we from your office right now?
[00:15:28]  Couple feet?
[00:15:29]  About 10 feet, maybe 10, 20 feet over.
[00:15:31]  You had an amazing story last night, huge scoop, which I know you were up here late working on.
[00:15:37]  I mean, I left here late.
[00:15:38]  You were still, you know, I think you actually had a candle lit, right?
[00:15:41]  I did.
[00:15:42]  Yeah, that's atmospheric.
[00:15:43]  So, tell us about this.
[00:15:44]  So, I want to get into your story, your huge scoop.
[00:15:47]  You've been making the rounds on it about this.
[00:15:49]  It's basically the email chain.
[00:15:50]  You've got the receipts on the back and forth between Trump, Mar-a-Lago, the FBI, the White House counsel, the National Archives.
[00:15:59]  If I have everyone in there, this idea that they're not invoking, the Biden administration not invoking executive privilege for the first time ever.
[00:16:06]  But then, also, I want to ask you from the angle of the FBI and the fact that they're doing this.
[00:16:10]  Yeah, well, listen, it's clear to me now when you look at this, and I've talked to a lot of career FBI officials, people retired now, saying, Hey, they try to jump the fence on this.
[00:16:18]  The normal process would be you drop a grand jury subpoena on President Trump.
[00:16:22]  He decides if he's going to comply if he contests for executive privilege.
[00:16:25]  You go to court, you let the judge work it up.
[00:16:27]  The FBI decided they wanted to jump the fence on this.
[00:16:29]  What they wanted to do was they wanted to get ahead of this and take the privilege off the table by having the current president, Joe Biden, waive the privilege for the former president, even though it covers conversations that when Trump was in president.
[00:16:42]  So, they jump the fence, they try to cut corners on this.
[00:16:45]  What you see at this is at the ignition point of this investigation, this investigation is ignited in April of this year.
[00:16:52]  The Justice Department, the White House for Joe Biden, and the National Archives are all working together with the FBI.
[00:16:58]  And the first decision Joe Biden makes that's consequential is: I'm going to let the National Archives send the materials of my predecessor, Donald Trump, to the FBI to start a criminal investigation.
[00:17:09]  That's the first thing he does.
[00:17:10]  Then, the Justice Department and FBI come back and say, Listen, we got this problem.
[00:17:14]  President Trump's probably going to claim executive privilege over these documents.
[00:17:17]  We need you to waive it.
[00:17:19]  And President Biden tells his counsel, I waive it.
[00:17:22]  If the National Archives feels it's okay to send it over, they can waive the privilege on my behalf and send it over.
[00:17:26]  And that's what happens.
[00:17:27]  Right after that process is done, what does the Justice Department do?
[00:17:30]  They launch a grand jury.
[00:17:32]  They then send grand jury subpoenas to the president, which are executed in late May.
[00:17:36]  And then there's a voluntary visit on June 3rd.
[00:17:39]  And then after all that, they go and they escalate to DEF CON too.
[00:17:42]  Now, now they go and they execute a search warrant in August.
[00:17:47]  All the while, the president, former president, Donald Trump, is communicating, I want to cooperate.
[00:17:52]  I have executive privilege claims I'm worried about.
[00:17:54]  Can we have a court get involved in this?
[00:17:56]  And the Justice Department, with Joe Biden's blessing, is blowing pass out.
[00:18:01]  You take that history.
[00:18:02]  Now remember what was said on the podium of the White House the day the raid occurred.
[00:18:06]  We don't know anything about this.
[00:18:07]  It's a Justice Department matter.
[00:18:09]  This was a White House matter, and the White House was involved at the ignition point where this investigation started.
[00:18:15]  And they took away the former president's best legal defense or one of his legal defenses, executive privilege.
[00:18:21]  I think the country is going to debate.
[00:18:22]  Is that really what we want?
[00:18:23]  So you've exposed the fact that the White House was intimately involved in all of this from moment one.
[00:18:30]  So it just blew through the fact, obvious lie right there.
[00:18:33]  White House counsel making these calls early, early, early on, right?
[00:18:37]  The question, though, is that I have for you in digging through, and you've got the entire receipts on this, justthennews.com.
[00:18:43]  Who's driving this?
[00:18:44]  Is it really Joe Biden that's driving this?
[00:18:46]  Or is there, what's your sense of the real motivator behind the scenes?
[00:18:51]  Well, the National Archives are clearly the person driving it because they're the ones saying, hey, we got these records.
[00:18:56]  We'd like to work with the Justice Department.
[00:18:57]  We need your blessing.
[00:18:58]  Then there is a lawyer by the name of Sue, who's a deputy counsel for Joe Biden inside the White House.
[00:19:03]  He's the guy, the decider inside the White House, giving the blessing to do these things.
[00:19:07]  And then you got the FBI and the Justice Department who want to get a criminal investigation started of their longtime nemesis, right?
[00:19:13]  They've been investigating Donald Trump pretty much nonstop since 2016, watching collusion, January 6th.
[00:19:18]  Now this.
[00:19:19]  And they can't wait to jump the fence, which is, we don't want to go through another legal battle with this president.
[00:19:24]  Just give us the goods and let us do our investigation and get rid of that whole little messy privilege thing.
[00:19:29]  And they succeed.
[00:19:30]  They convince the National Archives to go to the White House.
[00:19:33]  So when people say, what's the permanent bureaucracy look like?
[00:19:36]  This is it.
[00:19:36]  You got a triangle.
[00:19:38]  National Archives, FBI Justice Department, Clinton White House, excuse me, Biden White House, they're all working together and Donald Trump is the loser in that.
[00:19:47]  It seems like what they're trying to do, and you and I were talking about this off air a little bit earlier.
[00:19:51]  It seems to me like what they're trying to do is not only usurp the power of this one president, but of all presidents.
[00:19:59]  It's like they're trying to remove Article 2 from our Constitution so that you have a legislator that only exists as a rubber stamp for money.
[00:20:06]  You have a judiciary that, of course, they're very upset that we've taken the judiciary from them.
[00:20:11]  They're trying to reform it and repack it and do whatever they can.
[00:20:15]  But they want the bureaucracy, the permanent administrative state, to be the actual vessel driving policy and driving decisions in the United States and eliminate the power.
[00:20:26]  I mean, you look at the current president.
[00:20:28]  This guy doesn't seem like he's making any decisions on his own.
[00:20:31]  They want power for themselves.
[00:20:33]  Listen, there's a big question.
[00:20:34]  Have we created a fourth branch of government called the bureaucracy?
[00:20:36]  And I think the last six years of history raised some very serious questions about that.
[00:20:41]  But if you're a former president or if you're a person thinking of running for president in the future, what Joe Biden did just created an enormous threat to your ability to get candidate advice.
[00:20:51]  Because what we now have, the Biden precedent for this is you can beat the guy in office and then you can go leak his documents.
[00:20:58]  You can go put them out there, just get rid of the privilege that's there.
[00:21:00]  So think about the next Republican president.
[00:21:02]  The next Republican president can go back and say that executive publish that Barack Obama claimed over Fast and Furious, gone.
[00:21:09]  Benghazi.
[00:21:10]  Benghazi.
[00:21:11]  Exactly.
[00:21:11]  There's a really important one, Benghazi.
[00:21:13]  Joe Biden's executive privilege over what he was doing with Hunter Biden in the White House in Ukraine, gone.
[00:21:18]  We can see all that.
[00:21:19]  Oh, what the National Security Council was debating about setting up Trump for the Ukraine impeachment.
[00:21:24]  No purpose, gone.
[00:21:25]  The next Republican president can do to this Democratic president what they've just done to Donald Trump.
[00:21:31]  Alan Dershowitz, lifelong Democrat, voted for Biden, liberal Harvard law professor, says this is a grave threat to the presidency.
[00:21:38]  It makes executive privilege meaningless if the Biden standard lives on.
[00:21:42]  Because, right.
[00:21:43]  And at the end of the day, the reason that if you dial the whole thing back, the reason that we have a president is because at all, that we have an executive is that the founders understood we didn't want rule by consensus, that every once in a while there comes a time that you need one person to just be able to exercise that executive authority over certain matters.
[00:22:04]  But they're going to be completely constrained in doing this.
[00:22:07]  I want people to understand that, of course, they'll still be a nominal president, right?
[00:22:11]  They're not actually talking about getting rid of the White House or anything like this.
[00:22:14]  But what they're doing is they're turning it into a facade.
[00:22:17]  They want it to be a situation where that person is nothing more than a figurehead, has no power whatsoever.
[00:22:23]  And really the ones that are making decisions are the bureaucracy.
[00:22:26]  By the way, this is how you get a king like Anthony Fauci, who is able to make decisions for schoolhouses in Tennessee that have nothing to do with, you know, nothing to do with their actual local representatives because he has full power.
[00:22:41]  That's what they're trying to do.
[00:22:43]  And listen, people are going to dig into this for the next few years.
[00:22:46]  And I think they're going to realize that the fundamental essence of American government has been changing before our eyes and that Republicans have sometimes been co-conspirators in allowing it to happen.
[00:22:56]  Democrats are driving a lot of decisions.
[00:22:58]  And then there's this additional branch of government, the bureaucrats who live beyond a Democrat and a Republican, the Anthony Fauci's of the world, who can drive this discussion, can drive decision making, and in sometimes in cases, thwart a president.
[00:23:11]  We saw the bureaucracy repeatedly deny the president his orders.
[00:23:17]  The last order that president gave.
[00:23:19]  Well, they stole his administration from him.
[00:23:21]  Think about this.
[00:23:22]  We talk about stealing elections, but I think you also had a stolen, a stolen presidency in the sense that, what was it, two and a half years, three years?
[00:23:31]  Dominated by a false.
[00:23:32]  Dominated by this.
[00:23:34]  And also the ability to negotiate with Russia.
[00:23:36]  Who knows what the world would look like today if he wasn't so damaged on the false allegations that have been there?
[00:23:41]  We could have a very different world, a very different global outcome.
[00:23:44]  But this bureaucracy thwarted Donald Trump down to the very last decision Donald Trump made.
[00:23:48]  The very last decision Donald Trump made was to declassify the Russia occlusion documents on the 19th.
[00:23:53]  And then these are the Spygate documents.
[00:23:55]  These are the SPY Gate documents.
[00:23:57]  And on the 11 o'clock on the morning of January 20th, one hour from the end of the Trump presidency, the Justice Department comes in and said, we need those documents back.
[00:24:06]  We got to make a quick redaction.
[00:24:07]  And they keep those documents and they defy a presidential order to release them to the American public.
[00:24:12]  We've now put those documents in there.
[00:24:14]  From the beginning, Donald Trump, the moment Donald Trump began to run for president to the last decision he made as president, he was thwarted by a permanent bureaucracy.
[00:24:22]  Let me ask you, so getting back to the actual case at hand, these documents, and we've got, and Kyle Cheney over Politico is going, oh, they're this one and this classification, TSSTI and SI and TK.
[00:24:34]  Kyle Cheney must have been so busy tweeting the last couple of weeks.
[00:24:37]  He missed the letter 12 days ago.
[00:24:38]  On August 12th, the House sent a letter saying, oh, these documents were TSSI.
[00:24:42]  It's been out there for a week or 10 days.
[00:24:44]  But here's the question I have for the audience and to make sure that we're all up to speed.
[00:24:49]  Were these documents declassified?
[00:24:51]  The documents that the president possessed at Mar-a-Lago?
[00:24:54]  Yes.
[00:24:54]  He says that they were the process that he had was that when he wanted to take classified documents home to do work, he can go up to the residents, leave the Oval Office.
[00:25:03]  The normal procedure is the National Security Officer stays with a classified document, gives it to the president.
[00:25:07]  When the president's done, the National Security Officer takes that document back, gives it to the White House staff secretary, and there's a process.
[00:25:13]  So it remains classified.
[00:25:14]  It remains classified, and it's also put into the records archive so that people know this document exists.
[00:25:19]  Somehow, these classified officers felt comfortable leaving a document behind and letting the president take it up.
[00:25:25]  So there was a break in the normal protocol.
[00:25:27]  What the president's which, by the way, the protocol is set by the president.
[00:25:30]  It is.
[00:25:31]  That's right.
[00:25:32]  So what the president's team is saying is that at least the back end of his presidency, he would take home documents to the Oval Office.
[00:25:40]  And he told people, if they're classified, and I move them from the Oval Office up to the residents, they're by my order.
[00:25:45]  They've been declassified just by the mere act of me walking them.
[00:25:49]  People have cast out on that question.
[00:25:50]  There are people like John Bolton said, that can't possibly be true.
[00:25:53]  But oh, by the way, the president's order is still absolute.
[00:25:56]  We don't know yet.
[00:25:57]  I think this is going to be litigated.
[00:25:58]  How good is the proof?
[00:25:59]  What does the president say?
[00:26:01]  What does the United States submit?
[00:26:02]  Well, and this is a this is just like the pardon power.
[00:26:05]  This is a plenary power of the executive.
[00:26:07]  It's a plenary power of the president to declassify how would I using whatever protocol he wants to use.
[00:26:13]  That is his right as the president.
[00:26:14]  Barack Obama and Jordan Obama.
[00:26:17]  They make clear that the president doesn't have to follow the classification process that everybody else is.
[00:26:21]  There's an order that says the president, vice president, they're exempt.
[00:26:23]  Everybody else has to follow these rules.
[00:26:25]  Unilateral classification.
[00:26:27]  But I think it's important for people to understand that under the Constitution, the president does.
[00:26:32]  It would be like them saying if the president went to pardon somebody, that he didn't follow the right process.
[00:26:37]  And so that person, if he signs a paper, they're pardoned.
[00:26:39]  That's it.
[00:26:40]  That's the end.
[00:26:40]  He's the president.

=== CIA Accountability Crisis (06:36) ===

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[00:27:41]  We're talking about the fact that the FBI went completely above word on this.
[00:27:46]  And so I've had a bunch of people on today talking about the FBI, what should be done with it, what should we do with it.
[00:27:51]  You know, we've got everyone from the gamut saying one, you know, one politician saying, oh, let's reform it.
[00:27:55]  And then the next guy said, well, let's defund it and then pass legislation to reform it.
[00:27:59]  Another people saying just dismantle the entire thing, give it back to the states, let the states be empowered.
[00:28:06]  You mentioned something off air about Scotland Yard.
[00:28:08]  What were you saying about Scotland Yard?
[00:28:10]  So the British have an interesting model, right?
[00:28:11]  They have Scotland Yard.
[00:28:12]  They just do the crime in the country.
[00:28:14]  Then there is an MI5 and MI6 that do internal and external intelligence gathering.
[00:28:18]  There are a group of members in Congress I've been talking to that very privately been talking among each other that that might be a future model, which is, all right, we're going to keep the FBI and just let it solve crimes.
[00:28:27]  We're going to take all the counterintelligence stuff, put that to a domestic counterintelligence thing, keep the CIA doing the CIA's foreign intelligence, and we'd have the best world.
[00:28:35]  When you look at the things that have most concerned the American public and members of Congress in the last 10 years, almost all of them flow from the counterintelligence capabilities of the FBI.
[00:28:45]  By the way, the increased powers they got after 9-11, everybody was worried, you give an agency that much power, will they eventually start to cheat?
[00:28:52]  They cheated in the Russia case, right?
[00:28:54]  They doctored evidence.
[00:28:55]  They lied to a FISA court.
[00:28:57]  There is a growing belief that counterintelligence capability mixed with criminal creates a temptation to find things and then build a criminal case against your enemies.
[00:29:07]  And I think breaking that apart is one of the ideas that some members of Congress are talking about privately right now.
[00:29:12]  I think that separation is intriguing some people, but let's step back from that.
[00:29:17]  That could solve a problem.
[00:29:18]  And I know for sure, members of the-it's almost like dividing.
[00:29:21]  Yeah.
[00:29:21]  It's almost like dividing CIA, a new domestic intelligence agency, and then the FBI becomes the crime fighters and nothing else.
[00:29:28]  And so that part that's in the FBI now of domestic intelligence, which by the way was abused for parents, right?
[00:29:33]  Abused for potentially Russia collusion, clearly abused, may be abused here with the presence of a problem if they're going after child sex traffickers and people that are grooming on the internet, people, you know, teachers who are grooming, corrupt politicians that are actually, you know, and by the way, real corruption, like this guy took money to get this passed.
[00:29:53]  And you've got the bag and you've got like AB scam back in the day.
[00:29:56]  If you're going after bank robbers, you know, that type of thing, sure, of course, let's have an agency for that.
[00:30:02]  But here's the question that I think a lot of people are going to have, like NCMEC for missing exploited children.
[00:30:07]  Absolutely.
[00:30:08]  The question, though, is with this model, how do you regulate and how do you actually have oversight over this?
[00:30:14]  Because of course, you go back to J. Edgar Hoover.
[00:30:16]  The question is, if they're spying on Congress, they ain't got any oversight.
[00:30:19]  They're overseeing you.
[00:30:21]  They are.
[00:30:21]  And they have leverage over you potentially.
[00:30:23]  Right.
[00:30:23]  That's what the Uber years are all about.
[00:30:25]  There's another part of this, which is, let's take one of the instances that had nothing to do with counterintelligence.
[00:30:30]  The failures of the FBI in the Olympic sex scandal, where the FBI knew that young women were being raised.
[00:30:36]  Yes.
[00:30:36]  And they didn't act on it.
[00:30:38]  They dropped it.
[00:30:38]  Then they lied about it afterwards suggests that some of the problems that have predominantly been evidenced in the counterintelligence may also be in the culture of the criminal side.
[00:30:46]  So some people want to say, you know what?
[00:30:48]  It's just so darn flawed.
[00:30:49]  Go back to the church hearings in the 70s.
[00:30:51]  It was flawed then.
[00:30:52]  Go back to the FBI lab hearings in the 1990s.
[00:30:55]  They were cheating in the FBI lab regularly.
[00:30:57]  This agency has so much cheating going on.
[00:30:59]  We should blow it up.
[00:31:00]  So there is a subcategory, which, by the way, we used to have INS.
[00:31:03]  We don't have INS anymore.
[00:31:05]  We've done this.
[00:31:05]  We can do whatever we want.
[00:31:07]  Yeah.
[00:31:08]  I think there's going to be a robust debate.
[00:31:10]  And I think that large range that you talked about is probably what's in play.
[00:31:14]  There's some people that want to get rid of it entirely, reinvent the wheel.
[00:31:17]  Some people want to divide it and do some other things.
[00:31:19]  And others who want to try to work within the system and reform it.
[00:31:22]  But I've been in this town 30 years.
[00:31:24]  I've covered four major rounds of scandals with the FBI.
[00:31:28]  Everyone always promised this is the scandal we're going to reform it.
[00:31:31]  And then another scandal comes down the line.
[00:31:32]  It's an agency that's had a hard time assuming accountability.
[00:31:36]  It doesn't hold itself accountable as much as other agencies do.
[00:31:39]  And it seems to fall into the same trap, which is it's more important to get a win than to follow the law.
[00:31:45]  And that's when you see at the heart of all their cheating, that's where the FBI constantly went wrong.
[00:31:49]  If we can't get a win, we're going to ignore it.
[00:31:51]  We can get a win, we might push the envelope.
[00:31:53]  That culture may be so ingrained in the FBI that some people have a concern of leaving the institution there.
[00:31:58]  We'll see where this ends up, but it's not a debate that will be ignored in 2023.
[00:32:02]  Look, if I had my brother, we only got one minute left.
[00:32:05]  I know you have a heart out, but I got to say the one thing that we definitely, definitely, in terms of all this, have to get rid of is that building that J. Edgar Hoover eyesore, that it is, it's disgusting.
[00:32:16]  It's one of the most ugly buildings I've ever seen in my life.
[00:32:19]  Stalin would love it.
[00:32:21]  That seems like something out of Soviet Russia.
[00:32:22]  If anyone has seen this, I don't know if we get a picture of it up.
[00:32:25]  You've seen it, right?
[00:32:26]  It's horrific.
[00:32:27]  I've been it many times.
[00:32:28]  I've visited it many times.
[00:32:30]  Yeah, listen, it needs more than a fresh coat of paint and a new building.
[00:32:33]  A cultural problem, but the building is symbolic of so many of the failures.
[00:32:37]  Exactly.
[00:32:37]  There's also some amazing people that work every day to keep us safe.
[00:32:40]  They never get credit because they fall below all of these scandals, but there's a lot of good people.
[00:32:44]  14 of them have come out in the recent months and gone to Jim Jordan and to Chuck Brassley saying, we want to blow the whistle on what's really going on.
[00:32:52]  Maybe they're the impetus for change.
[00:32:53]  John, we're going to have to take off.
[00:32:55]  I know you have a hit.
[00:32:56]  I want to take, let's take the 14 whistleblowers and put them in charge of whatever the new thing is.
[00:33:01]  Because let's take them and have them running the place because I don't want another McCabe, a Comey, a Strock, or any of that.
[00:33:08]  All right, this, that is ending us.
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