The Charlie Kirk Show - Everything You Need to Know about '2000 Mules' with Dinesh D'Souza
Aired: 2022-04-26
Duration: 37:30


=== Fragile Media Empire (05:54) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Dinesh D'Souza joins us to go through 2000meals.com, his upcoming film.
[00:00:06]  We talk about Alexandria Agasio-Cotes, and we also cover some other very important news stories.
[00:00:13]  And before you think a red wave is imminent, I think that the people are there, but be careful.
[00:00:17]  They're going to try to do every single trick in the book ahead of November.
[00:00:22]  Support the Charlie Kirk show at charliekirk.com/slash support.
[00:00:25]  Get behind turning pointusa today at tpusa.com.
[00:00:28]  That's tpusa.com.
[00:00:30]  Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:00:32]  Buckle up, everybody.
[00:00:33]  Here we go.
[00:00:34]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:00:36]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
[00:00:38]  I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
[00:00:41]  Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
[00:00:44]  I want to thank Charlie.
[00:00:45]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:00:46]  His spirit, his love of this country.
[00:00:48]  He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
[00:00:54]  Turning point USA.
[00:00:55]  We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
[00:01:04]  That's why we are here.
[00:01:07]  Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.
[00:01:16]  CNN Plus has cratered, which is just phenomenal to see the cratering and the collapse of CNN Plus.
[00:01:24]  This is just another sign that what the propaganda that is being spread is not popular.
[00:01:35]  You know, I said this a couple years ago as we started to get into podcasting.
[00:01:39]  I said, and I was only wrong on the timing.
[00:01:42]  I wasn't wrong on the essence.
[00:01:44]  I said to my team, Andrew, I said, I don't think people realize how fragile information consumption is about to become.
[00:01:56]  Meaning, I can tell you exactly how many people are downloading our podcast.
[00:02:01]  I could tell you how many people are watching our videos.
[00:02:03]  I could tell you how many people are emailing us.
[00:02:05]  And we track those things.
[00:02:08]  You see, we are always constantly hawking the measurables.
[00:02:15]  Whereas it's important to note and to realize that CNN or a lot of these other channels, they've never really been big on how many people are actually watching them or care about it.
[00:02:30]  In fact, they say, oh, no, the numbers are all wrong.
[00:02:32]  We're fine.
[00:02:32]  We're very popular.
[00:02:35]  Well, if people don't want what you put on TV for free, why on earth would they give you money for it?
[00:02:42]  Play cut 24.
[00:02:44]  Yeah, CNN Plus went under.
[00:02:46]  CNN minus CNN.
[00:02:48]  Just went under.
[00:02:49]  They spent $300 million.
[00:02:52]  They got 10,000 subscribers.
[00:02:55]  Imagine the hubris of thinking that something that people don't want for free, that you're going to charge money for it.
[00:03:04]  We're going to have a Jake Tapper book club.
[00:03:06]  Jake Tapper seems like a great guy.
[00:03:08]  But I mean, I feel like I don't have to pay for his book club.
[00:03:11]  I feel like you should put that on Twitter.
[00:03:14]  Pay for a Jake Tapper book club.
[00:03:17]  We're seeing the trajectory of things on the left collapse because they do not live in the world of objectivity.
[00:03:25]  You see, I live in the world where I discern objective.
[00:03:29]  They live in the world of the subjective.
[00:03:31]  We're constantly measuring how many people are downloading, how many people are listening, where are we at in the charts?
[00:03:37]  What are our ratings?
[00:03:38]  CNN is like, oh, we're a multi-billion dollar machine.
[00:03:41]  It makes you wonder how fragile really is the current media empire.
[00:03:45]  You see, because of increased technology, we should be able to see who legitimately actually is very popular and who is not.
[00:03:52]  Who's able to draw crowds and who's able to make arguments and who's able to hold an audience?
[00:03:57]  Well, if you're not able to hold an audience and do that, why on earth would you continually have a subsidy for your program?
[00:04:04]  The reason is you shouldn't.
[00:04:07]  You see this a lot now in kind of legacy media: is that when you take away the automatic distribution into 75 million homes, people actually don't want to watch you.
[00:04:18]  If you're not able to survive in the world of podcasting or in the world of over-the-top content, then you're actually not as popular as you think you are.
[00:04:25]  You're just famous.
[00:04:26]  It's a big difference.
[00:04:28]  You could be famous.
[00:04:29]  All the people on CNN are famous.
[00:04:31]  They're just not popular.
[00:04:32]  Like when that eunuch starts walking down the street, people say, I know him.
[00:04:36]  Yeah, that's the guy that is always complaining to me, and he takes up the entire screen.
[00:04:40]  Or the race lady on MSNBC, whatever her name is, Joy Reed.
[00:04:44]  Like, oh, I know her, but they don't like her.
[00:04:48]  They're not popular.
[00:04:50]  You see, when CNN does these book tours and their people, no one shows up.
[00:04:55]  No one actually flocks to go buy the book.
[00:04:58]  You see, we've conflated for a while fame and popularity, two totally different things.
[00:05:04]  I'm going to get to another story here.
[00:05:07]  AOC wants to talk about green energy, play cut 21.
[00:05:14]  The actual time, budget, and the money aside, but let's say you, assuming you have the money, the amount of time it takes to install solar panels on your roof, not that long.
[00:05:24]  Not that long.
[00:05:26]  So, where we play a role is that we can make investments to reduce, to reduce the cost of solar.
[00:05:32]  The AOC regime knows, or kind of all the people around AOC, they know how important energy is to fueling an entire civilization.
[00:05:43]  They know how important it is to actually be able to have the capacity and the ability to go from one place to the other, to transport yourself.
[00:05:51]  But what happens when all of a sudden it becomes too expensive to do that?

=== Endemic Illness Returns (03:25) ===

[00:05:55]  Well, we're living through that.
[00:05:58]  You see, instead of focusing on, I don't know, why are gas prices too high, the entire Democrat Party is focusing on whether or not six-year-olds are going to be taught about like radical queer gender ideology?
[00:06:14]  Ron DeSantis is standing up against that play cut 19.
[00:06:18]  We are not going to use your tax dollars to teach our kids to hate this country or to hate each other.
[00:06:26]  We believe that every single student matters, every single student counts.
[00:06:31]  We are not going to categorize you based on your race.
[00:06:35]  We are not going to tell other kids that they're oppressed based on their race.
[00:06:40]  Don't let anybody tell you that you can't succeed in this state.
[00:06:44]  Everybody can succeed.
[00:06:49]  There's people holding the signs that say stop woke.
[00:06:52]  And Joy Reed has come out and said that Ron DeSantis is guilty of child abuse because he gives black kids the signs that say stop CRT because it says stop the woke.
[00:07:04]  So this is a good segue into the 2,000 mules as we kind of touch on a lot of different stories here.
[00:07:10]  Seemingly unrelated stories, but they are related in some sense.
[00:07:15]  I'm not prepared to say that the red wave this November is guaranteed.
[00:07:22]  I'm not.
[00:07:24]  So we're going to have a conversation with Dinesh D'Souza.
[00:07:26]  We're also going to play the entire trailer to 2,000 Mules, but let's ask ourselves the question before we do this, which is what created the conditions?
[00:07:36]  What was the necessary foundation to be able to have mass mail-in balloting, to be able to have ballot drop boxes on every single corner?
[00:07:47]  The answer is, of course, our reaction to COVID.
[00:07:51]  COVID was the gateway to all of the mass mail and balloting we saw.
[00:08:00]  Fear, the fear of the virus, the lack of early treatments, all these sorts of things.
[00:08:04]  So if the Democrats want to get back to mass mail and voting, wouldn't that mean they would try to get back to mass COVID fear?
[00:08:14]  Well, Scott Gottlieb said exactly that.
[00:08:16]  He's warning you.
[00:08:18]  He's saying that COVID is going to come back in the fall just in time for the midterm election.
[00:08:25]  Play cut 18.
[00:08:27]  No, I think this year is really a transition year.
[00:08:30]  I think this is going to be the year when this becomes more of an endemic illness.
[00:08:34]  It's not going to be a defined point in time when that happens.
[00:08:38]  But what's going to happen is this is going to settle into more of a seasonal pattern.
[00:08:42]  I do expect prevalence levels to start to decline.
[00:08:44]  We may be peaking right now.
[00:08:46]  If you look at the wastewater data, hopefully over the summer, through the summer, we have pretty low prevalence of this infection, and then we're going to see it reemerge in the fall.
[00:08:53]  The question is, what re-emerges?
[00:08:55]  Is it a new strain of Omicron?
[00:08:57]  And that's going to drive decisions around the vaccine.
[00:08:59]  Drive decisions around the vaccine.
[00:09:02]  What if the Democrats want to keep you afraid, keep the door open to try to have mass mail-in ballots coming into the fall, which we know is a prerequisite to mass voter fraud?
[00:09:14]  There's no fear.
[00:09:16]  Well, then there's no crisis.
[00:09:18]  No emergency, then no power.

=== Don't Use Big Banks (03:48) ===

[00:09:20]  No power, no great reset.
[00:09:22]  But in order to get power, they need the emergency, which allows them to have mass mail and ballots, which they think can close the gap ahead of November coming into the midterms.
[00:09:33]  We already saw them use COVID as a 2022 election issue.
[00:09:37]  What issue is going their way right now?
[00:09:39]  Nothing.
[00:09:40]  We've already gone through the entire menu of how every single one of their institutions is collapsing, collapsing, collapsing, collapsing.
[00:09:48]  They're going to try to bring back something.
[00:09:50]  And he told you, I expect this to come back in the fall.
[00:09:54]  Be vigilant, everybody.
[00:09:55]  Be aware.
[00:09:56]  I don't trust these Democrats, and I know you don't either, but they're going to try to look at something to use an excuse to bring back mass mail and ballots.
[00:10:08]  It's really out of control.
[00:10:09]  Inflation is at a 40-year high.
[00:10:11]  Your cash is getting sucked right out of your wallet with higher prices on gas, groceries, practically everything.
[00:10:16]  Look, you got to take charge of your money right now.
[00:10:18]  So here's a principle that we say: don't use the big banks that hate you.
[00:10:22]  Bank of America is canceling conservatives.
[00:10:24]  A team member that we have at Turning Point USA literally just had his bank account shut down by Bank of America.
[00:10:31]  Literally, no longer allowed to use Bank of America because of his politics.
[00:10:34]  True story.
[00:10:35]  So when you want to consolidate your debt and use equity in your home to do so to lower your monthly expenses, you have to use my friends, Andrew and Todd, at andrewandodd.com.
[00:10:45]  You have to know what you're going through.
[00:10:47]  So look, I just had dinner with Andrew and Todd in Orange County.
[00:10:50]  We had a great time.
[00:10:51]  They love the Lord.
[00:10:53]  They know the Bible super well.
[00:10:54]  They're ethical.
[00:10:55]  They're beautiful people.
[00:10:56]  They really are.
[00:10:57]  They're wonderful.
[00:10:58]  And Andrew and Todd aren't brokers.
[00:11:00]  They're bankers who handle your refi loan personally from start to finish.
[00:11:04]  And they're always in your corner.
[00:11:06]  In fact, they're helping me with the problem right now.
[00:11:08]  Just all this nonsense with interest rates and all this are helping me clarify it.
[00:11:12]  They're phenomenal to work with.
[00:11:13]  They're responsive.
[00:11:14]  They're Christians.
[00:11:16]  They're conservative.
[00:11:17]  It's AndrewandTodd.com to beat inflation by lowering your monthly expenses and protect your greatest asset, your home.
[00:11:23]  So don't use these woke banks.
[00:11:25]  Bank of America, again, my team member, I'm not going to say his name.
[00:11:28]  You guys know him.
[00:11:29]  He's been on our show.
[00:11:30]  Literally, Bank of America sent him a note saying, we are no longer allowing you to bank with us.
[00:11:35]  Boom, like that, all because of politics.
[00:11:37]  Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage share your values.
[00:11:41]  I trust them.
[00:11:42]  That's why I work with them.
[00:11:43]  I hang out with them casually, and I've got to know them really well.
[00:11:47]  They'll treat you right and that when you use them, you're not using Citibank or Chase or these people that hate your values, that believe in this trans nonsense.
[00:11:55]  Don't use those banks, diversity, equity, inclusion banks.
[00:11:58]  Nope.
[00:11:58]  Andrew and Todd at andrewandtodd.com.
[00:12:01]  So just write that down right now, write it in your phone.
[00:12:04]  You might say, oh, Charlie, I don't need to refinance or whatever.
[00:12:06]  Well, maybe you will two months from now.
[00:12:07]  Maybe you young millennials out there, maybe the millennials listening to our show, my fellow millennials, you're going to buy a home soon.
[00:12:13]  Maybe you're getting married and you want to buy something.
[00:12:15]  It's AndrewandTodd.com for a quick mortgage checkup.
[00:12:18]  Use the equity in your home before it's too late.
[00:12:20]  Go to andrewandtodd.com.
[00:12:22]  That's andrewandodd.com.
[00:12:24]  Stop giving money to people who hate you.
[00:12:26]  AndrewandTodd.com love the Lord.
[00:12:28]  They love America.
[00:12:30]  And they're great friends.
[00:12:31]  So I encourage you to use them as your go-to partner for anything mortgage-related.
[00:12:37]  Stop using the banks who hate you, andrewandTodd.com.
[00:12:43]  Remember, without a fear of the virus, we would not have mass mail and ballots.
[00:12:49]  It's a very important point of what we're about to dive into: is that the mail and ballots, of course, being sent to every single corner of the world, every single place that had voters or not, allowed criminals to then scoop up those ballots, bring them to stash houses, and then bring them the ballot drop boxes.

=== Frightening Election Intelligence (03:36) ===

[00:13:08]  Now, I will sit down with any sort of journalist and go through the cell phone ping technology, and they can tell me why mules, also showed on video, would go to 25, 30, 35, 40 ballot drop boxes as on video with piles of ballots and put them in.
[00:13:25]  Journalists are not going to want to cover this story.
[00:13:27]  They're going to try to cover it up, similar to the Hunter Biden laptop story, similar to Tony Bobulinsky and Joe Biden.
[00:13:34]  This is the smoking gun.
[00:13:37]  And this trailer right here is the 2000 Mules trailer brought now public, done by Dinesh D'Souza.
[00:13:45]  Now, we had Katherine Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips on our program.
[00:13:51]  And you guys should go back and check out that episode.
[00:13:53]  People loved our conversation there.
[00:13:55]  The website is 2000mules.com, the number 2000mules.com.
[00:13:59]  This is the now public trailer ahead of the premiere of one of Dinesh D'Souza's most important films ever, Play Cut 27.
[00:14:09]  We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
[00:14:24]  Let me say it again.
[00:14:25]  The 2020 election was the most secure election in American history.
[00:14:31]  Let me begin by asking a very simple question.
[00:14:34]  Do we know the truth about what really happened in the 2020 election?
[00:14:38]  I think millions of Americans know something went wrong and they have little pieces and no one's really put it together.
[00:14:43]  I'm agnostic on this question and I am awaiting more information.
[00:14:48]  If I believed the president were a Nazi, I might steal an election.
[00:14:52]  Bold accusations require bold evidence and they haven't seen it.
[00:14:57]  We have been working on something big.
[00:15:00]  Show me the money.
[00:15:02]  I've been working with Greg Phillips.
[00:15:05]  He has a deep background in election intelligence.
[00:15:09]  True the Vote has the largest store of election intelligence for the 2020 elections in the world.
[00:15:15]  No one has more data than we do.
[00:15:20]  We identified in Atlanta 242 mules that went to an average of 24 drop boxes.
[00:15:27]  At Philadelphia alone, we've identified more than 1,100 mules.
[00:15:33]  What is a mule?
[00:15:34]  Person picking up ballots and running them to the drop boxes.
[00:15:38]  This is not Grandma Walk and her dog.
[00:15:41]  Bad backgrounds, bad reputations.
[00:15:43]  They are interested in one thing, that's money.
[00:15:46]  In no shape, in no way, in no time, is that legal?
[00:15:49]  This is organized crime.
[00:15:51]  Do you have video evidence?
[00:15:52]  Four million minutes of surveillance video around the country.
[00:15:58]  What you're about to see is disturbing.
[00:16:00]  So this is one o'clock in the morning.
[00:16:03]  Don't we all vote at one o'clock in the morning?
[00:16:06]  On one night, this person, this mule, went across six counties to 27 different drop boxes.
[00:16:14]  I call it the Mexican mafia.
[00:16:16]  Seriously.
[00:16:17]  Because anything worked like that.
[00:16:20]  This is jaw-dropping.
[00:16:21]  What you showed is frightening.
[00:16:24]  It's just sickening to me.
[00:16:26]  Now we come to the most important question of all.
[00:16:29]  Was the magnitude of vote trafficking enough to tip the balance in the 2020 presidential election?
[00:16:36]  It's not a leap to say this would have made a difference.
[00:16:40]  They have ruined Election Day in the United States of America.

=== Ruined American Elections (15:12) ===

[00:16:44]  That's provable.
[00:16:46]  And that's enough for me to fight the left with every fiber in my body.
[00:16:50]  Without free and fair elections, we are not a democracy.
[00:16:54]  We are a criminal cartel masquerading as a democracy.
[00:16:59]  2,000 mules.
[00:17:02]  In select theaters, May 2nd and 4th.
[00:17:05]  Virtual premiere, May 7th.
[00:17:08]  Stream, May 8th at Salem Now.
[00:17:10]  Or Locals.
[00:17:12]  Or rumble.com, 2000Mules.com.
[00:17:15]  Honored to be part of that.
[00:17:15]  You guys know we have been teasing that for months now.
[00:17:20]  And you know, I would not tease something unless I felt that it was credible and worthy of examination.
[00:17:28]  I'm telling you, this is the smoking gun.
[00:17:30]  We streamed our conversation with Katherine Engelbrecht and Greg Phillips on Real America's Voice, well over 3 million minutes and 500,000 views of that conversation with Greg Phillips and Katherine Engelbrecht on Rumble, R-U-M-B-L-E dot com.
[00:17:47]  The man himself joins us next, Dinesh D'Souza.
[00:17:51]  We're going to dive into the entire movie.
[00:17:55]  Well, not the entire movie, but the essence of the movie.
[00:17:58]  And we have some of your questions for him here.
[00:18:00]  And so make sure you do not miss it when it comes out.
[00:18:02]  It's 2000mules.com.
[00:18:05]  If you feel as if the 2020 election was stolen from you, well, now you have the evidence.
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[00:19:16]  With us is the man behind the project, the most important movie to come out this year.
[00:19:22]  I'm honored to be in the movie, and we are going to be promoting it with events across the country.
[00:19:27]  Dinesh D'Souza.
[00:19:28]  Dinesh, welcome back to the program.
[00:19:30]  Charlie, it's a real pleasure.
[00:19:32]  Great to be with you.
[00:19:33]  So we are just days, hours away from this movie being out.
[00:19:37]  Tell us how you think the final version, kind of the final cut, if you will, has turned out.
[00:19:43]  And just give us a little insight into some things we can expect coming up on May 2nd and May 4th.
[00:19:50]  Well, I'm very excited and I'm also watching with great interest to see the reaction on the part of the media, on the part of the Democrats, and on the part of the GOP.
[00:20:01]  This is going to be an interesting test of the Republican Party, because to a considerable degree, the problems that are identified in this movie have a Republican remedy if the Republicans have the will to carry it out.
[00:20:16]  The movie is looking fantastic.
[00:20:19]  We have trimmed it a little bit, tightened it.
[00:20:22]  Obviously, we've added the final color, music, sound.
[00:20:25]  It's gorgeous to look at, and it's really fun to see it in the theater.
[00:20:28]  That's why I'm thrilled that we have it in 300 theaters on May 2nd and also on May 4th at the 7 p.m. showing.
[00:20:38]  We also have a virtual premiere coming out of a great studio in Vegas.
[00:20:43]  And you can join that in effect online through a kind of Zoom.
[00:20:46]  You get an access code, you kind of log in, and it will be not only the movie, but a live QA to follow the movie.
[00:20:54]  And then the movie is going to be available for digital download.
[00:20:56]  And we're putting it on uncancelable platforms, notably Salem Now, which is the Salem media platform, SalemNow.com.
[00:21:04]  And then it'll be available through the Rumble-owned platform called Locals.
[00:21:09]  As you know, that's a free speech platform.
[00:21:11]  It's not going to be possible for the left to take it down.
[00:21:14]  And this way, everyone who wants to see this movie will be able to do it and the left will not be able to stop it.
[00:21:19]  So, Dinesh, I have to ask you, why does it have to take you?
[00:21:24]  And I'm glad you're doing it, right?
[00:21:25]  But think about it.
[00:21:26]  Law enforcement, all the mass media, we know they're a waste of time.
[00:21:30]  Republican officials, not until it came onto your doorstep, did you have the courage or the conviction to actually produce a whole movie around this?
[00:21:37]  What does that say about the kind of current landscape of our storytellers?
[00:21:42]  I mean, it's remarkable that it's taken this long for Greg Phillips and Catherine Engelbrecht's information to get out.
[00:21:50]  Yeah, Greg and Catherine came to us now several months ago and said, we think we have something really big, and we don't quite know what the way is to get it out.
[00:22:00]  And their strategy was essentially one of a piecemeal release of items of data.
[00:22:08]  And I said to them, don't do that because the left is really expert and their fly swatter is so big that they will be able to smash down any particular claim saying, well, okay, well, you got one guy stuff in a ballot box.
[00:22:19]  Who cares about that?
[00:22:21]  You know, Biden won the state by 10,000 votes.
[00:22:24]  So what you need to do is to systematize this, put the whole narrative together in a really unanswerable way.
[00:22:33]  And then my next task, I mean, having been convinced myself that this was solid, was to take it to Salem and have a summit with all the sort of top guys at Salem, including the owner, Ed Atzinger, and say, listen, you know, you guys need to take this seriously.
[00:22:50]  You're a journalistic media organization.
[00:22:52]  And scared as we all are about this topic, because we all know about the sort of wall of censorship and you can be permanently banned.
[00:23:00]  So what?
[00:23:01]  This is important enough that if true, this is something that has huge consequences and we have an obligation to pursue it.
[00:23:08]  And then to my great satisfaction, they agreed.
[00:23:11]  Yeah.
[00:23:11]  And it's just, thank you for that courage.
[00:23:13]  And thanks to Salem, the Salem Radio Network and Media Group for picking this up.
[00:23:17]  But it just goes to show that there's not many truth tellers out there.
[00:23:20]  There isn't.
[00:23:21]  It's just a lot of people are unwilling to kind of interface with this.
[00:23:25]  So Dinesh, you know, you spoke to some of our supporters just about a month ago and teased this and was met with a very warm response.
[00:23:32]  What's been your response in the last couple of weeks as you kind of now get back on the road and talk about this more?
[00:23:38]  Are you met with skepticism or is it enthusiasm, anger?
[00:23:42]  What's the response been?
[00:23:44]  Well, I've only started talking about it, and I've also noticed that the left has slowly started trying to figure out how to respond to it.
[00:23:53]  Initially, when I put out the teaser, this was over a month ago, and not a single fact check on it to this date.
[00:24:01]  So they were obviously spooked by it.
[00:24:03]  They didn't know what to do.
[00:24:04]  They also realized there's a lot more where this came from.
[00:24:06]  It's the tip of the iceberg.
[00:24:08]  So they were scared to say this is bogus or this is just one case.
[00:24:12]  They knew there was a lot more behind it.
[00:24:14]  But I noticed that Philip Bump in the Washington Post has now tried to take on the argument itself.
[00:24:20]  And he makes two points.
[00:24:22]  One of which he says that, well, this geo-tracking, he goes, it's not really all that scientific.
[00:24:28]  You know, it can kind of track something within about 30 feet, but it doesn't really mean that these guys went and dropped ballots off at these ballot drop boxes.
[00:24:37]  Now, first of all, this is like making this similar claims about GPS and saying the GPS is only accurate to half a mile.
[00:24:46]  That may have been true in the original GPS, but GPS now is very accurate.
[00:24:52]  And cell phone geo-tracking is so accurate that you can geo-track someone to a degree of 12 to 18 inches.
[00:24:59]  So the technical point here that is being made by Philip Bump is just a null, you know, intellectually a null set.
[00:25:08]  His other point is: hey, how do we know that these weren't all legal ballots?
[00:25:14]  And if a legal ballot is delivered by a mule in an illegal way, that doesn't make it an illegal vote.
[00:25:23]  To which the short answer is, yes, it does.
[00:25:25]  Because if you break the chain of custody of a vote, you pay a mule.
[00:25:29]  If I were to take my vote in California, where by the way, vote harvesting is allowed, and I were to pick up the street and say, here's 100 bucks, go drop my vote off.
[00:25:37]  That vote is invalid and should not be counted.
[00:25:40]  Yes.
[00:25:40]  So yeah, they're kind of they're trying to mastermind.
[00:25:45]  That's not the right term.
[00:25:46]  They're workshopping.
[00:25:47]  That's the right term.
[00:25:48]  They're workshopping how to smear this, right?
[00:25:51]  And we talk about that in the film, actually.
[00:25:53]  I don't know if that makes the final cut, where I believe they're going to try to smear you, try to smear the idea that we're tracking people in the black community.
[00:26:02]  But they really haven't done a full-front kind of counter-narrative attack yet.
[00:26:06]  And I think part of what we have to do, and part of what I'm going to try to do, is as soon as lawmakers start talking about this, then all of a sudden it's going to activate the entire kind of media machine.
[00:26:18]  So Dinesh, talk a little about for some people that still haven't heard the entire overview.
[00:26:24]  For example, someone says here, Jim, Charlie, how do they know who to video and who to follow by ping technology ahead of time on election day?
[00:26:32]  Talk about how the crawlback just in about three to five minutes.
[00:26:36]  Just go through that, Dinesh, and it'll be a good refresher even for some of our audience that has heard it before.
[00:26:42]  So there are two separate tracks of investigation.
[00:26:46]  The first is geo-tracking, and the second is video.
[00:26:49]  Let's start with the geotracking.
[00:26:51]  So what True the Vote did was they bought the movement within a certain radius or what's called a geo-fenced area.
[00:27:00]  These are the heavily democratic urban areas in five states: Atlanta, which is three or four counties, including Fulton County, Milwaukee, Maricopa County in Arizona, Detroit, the Detroit area of Michigan, and the greater Philadelphia area of Pennsylvania.
[00:27:20]  And what they did was they said, look, we're going to run a search algorithm to find cell phones that are moving between these left-wing organizations.
[00:27:28]  Let's call them the vote stash houses and multiple mail-in drop boxes.
[00:27:34]  It's not enough to go to one or two or even five.
[00:27:37]  Somebody may have an eccentric reason to go to two, but no one has a reason to go to 10 or more drop boxes unless you're doing something not only fishy, but flat out illegal.
[00:27:47]  So the search mechanism was you had to go to at least five organizations and at least 10 drop boxes.
[00:27:53]  So you're only looking for the most egregious offenders, the most egregious mules.
[00:27:58]  And so when we call this movie 2,000 mules, those are the most egregious, the kind of highly motivated offenders.
[00:28:06]  There are a lot more mules than 2,000.
[00:28:09]  So it's a ridiculous undercount of the number of mules.
[00:28:12]  But just the ballots that are dropped by those mules, which we can do a very close estimate of, is more than enough to tip the balance in the 2020 election.
[00:28:21]  Yeah.
[00:28:23]  And remember, we're talking about multiple elections here.
[00:28:26]  So let's start with the first one.
[00:28:27]  The Georgia Senate runoff would not have happened if David Perdue would have received just another 2,500 votes, right?
[00:28:34]  And therefore, the United States Senate would be in Republican hands.
[00:28:38]  And so that's the first election, right, that we're talking about.
[00:28:42]  The second, of course, is the presidential.
[00:28:45]  And that is a very razor thin, right, margin, especially in states like Arizona and in Georgia, extremely razor-thin.
[00:28:55]  And so talk about that, Dinesh.
[00:28:57]  Where we're talking on very, very thin margins here.
[00:29:00]  Yeah, 12,000 or so votes in Georgia, about 10,000 in Arizona.
[00:29:05]  The numbers are bigger in places like Philadelphia, but it turns out the number of mules is much greater.
[00:29:11]  So to give you an idea, in Philadelphia, 1,100 mules going to an average of 50 drop boxes apiece.
[00:29:20]  So just run the map.
[00:29:21]  That's 50,000 Dropbox visits by these mules alone.
[00:29:26]  And then you and then dropping in four or five ballots at a time.
[00:29:29]  So all you have to do is run a little basic map.
[00:29:32]  And by the way, in the movie, we do run the math.
[00:29:34]  We don't hesitate to look at the volume of the fraud and then go state by state and tell you, would this have made a difference in Wisconsin?
[00:29:42]  Would this have made a difference in Michigan?
[00:29:45]  And you can almost recalibrate the electoral vote once you do that.
[00:29:48]  And this is one of the most fascinating, I think, absorbing parts of the movie.
[00:29:52]  Yeah, without a doubt.
[00:29:53]  And so we've seen kind of all the, you know, the media say it's the most secure election in history.
[00:30:00]  Talk about the technical side of this, though, because when they were talking about, they were also talking about cybersecurity.
[00:30:05]  They never really commented on ballot trafficking or ballot fraud, which is something that they almost intentionally want to turn a blind eye to.
[00:30:15]  Yeah, I think that what True the Vote did here, which I think was very smart, is they said, look, let's look at where the rules have changed.
[00:30:23]  Because if someone's going to cheat, they're going to try to cheat there because the new processes are likely to be the least secure.
[00:30:31]  It's kind of like saying, don't try to rob the bank when you can rob an ATM.
[00:30:35]  You know, if the ATM doesn't have anyone looking at it, and if there aren't proper security measures, it's going to be much easier because if you go in the middle of the night, there's no one there.
[00:30:44]  So the sudden appearance of all these ballot drop boxes, but again, True the Vote didn't know until they ran the data.
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[00:32:08]  So Dinesh, I'm experiencing a downpour of emails right now, a cascade of why aren't these people arrested?
[00:32:18]  Come on.
[00:32:19]  Don't we have driver's lice information, driver's lice information, cell phone technology?
[00:32:25]  Let me just ask you in a court of law, is there enough information to arrest some of these mules?
[00:32:30]  And have they yet been arrested?
[00:32:32]  Well, the answer is no, they haven't been arrested, but yes, there is plenty of information to do that.
[00:32:39]  And the reason is really simple: that to pay someone in a democratic process to either vote, you can't be paid to cast your vote, and you can't be paid to deliver your vote.
[00:32:51]  That is straight out illegal in every state.
[00:32:54]  So, you know, I don't, it's some people try to obfuscate the debate by saying, well, vote harvesting is allowed in certain states.
[00:33:01]  This is ballot trafficking and it's illegal.
[00:33:03]  The things we show you in the movie are all illegal.
[00:33:06]  So law enforcement really has no excuse not to move in.
[00:33:10]  Now, true, the vote does not have the names of the mules, but it has the next best thing, which is the cell phone ID.
[00:33:17]  And look, a cell phone ID is a digital fingerprint, right?
[00:33:20]  I mean, I could give my cell phone to my wife, Debbie, and she could be the one dropping off the votes.
[00:33:24]  But if my cell phone is at the scene, then the cell phone itself was there.
[00:33:29]  And so what law enforcement can do is they can, you know, unmask these cell phones and they do this every day.
[00:33:35]  You know, if there's a murder in a park at night and there are six cell phones identified in that area, they go unmask the cell phones, they go drop in on all those people and they are all suspects.
[00:33:44]  Say, what were you doing?
[00:33:45]  Where were you?
[00:33:45]  etc.
[00:33:46]  And probably one of those guys did it.
[00:33:48]  So this is done all the time.
[00:33:50]  And there's no reason for law enforcement not to move in.
[00:33:53]  In fact, that would uncover the full plot.
[00:33:55]  Who paid you?
[00:33:56]  Who's the whole cartel could be taken apart?
[00:33:59]  And so there you go.
[00:34:00]  I said driver's license.
[00:34:01]  I meant license plates.
[00:34:02]  But we have a question here, Dinesh.
[00:34:03]  So they say, Charlie, if this case brought by 2,000 mules is true, why did Stacey Abrams lose her 2018 election?
[00:34:10]  Now, this is important, Dinesh, to zero in.
[00:34:12]  Remember, in 18, Georgia only had 258,000 mail-in ballots, an increase to 1.2 million mail-in ballots.
[00:34:18]  Talk about how COVID really did set the foundation for this entire scheme.
[00:34:24]  Yeah, the Democrats have long been the party of voter fraud.
[00:34:28]  And interestingly, in this movie, we're describing not, I would call it high-tech fraud, because this is not Chinese hacking or machine swapping votes.
[00:34:37]  It is low-tech fraud busted in a high-tech way.
[00:34:41]  So the geotracking is high-tech, but the fraud itself is low-tech.
[00:34:45]  And going back to Tammany Hall, the Democrats, you know, they would figure out ways where a guy could vote four times and somebody else would take his vote down there.
[00:34:52]  Democratic operatives would collect immigrant votes and fill out the ballots and so on.
[00:34:56]  So this has been going on for a while.
[00:34:58]  But Charlie, you're absolutely right.
[00:34:59]  The key difference is it was ramped up to an unbelievable degree because of COVID.
[00:35:05]  And now suddenly with all these mail-in drop boxes, which by the way, some people think, you know, that was just, you know, legally required.
[00:35:12]  No, some of it was Mark Zuckerberg using his financial leverage to tell these cities and counties: if you don't put in these mail-in drop boxes, you don't get the money.
[00:35:22]  So private individuals were able to use financial leverage to make the cities do things that enable the fraud.
[00:35:30]  Yes.
[00:35:31]  I mean, that's so well said.
[00:35:33]  And without Zuckerberg, without the kind of COVID fear mandates.
[00:35:36]  Okay, uninterrupted, tell us again when it comes out, how people can support it, right?
[00:35:41]  And I want people, I want to encourage people, go pay for this, okay?
[00:35:45]  You need to support good work when it happens.
[00:35:47]  All right.
[00:35:48]  So, you know, go and actually buy it at salemnow.com or Rumble or Locals.
[00:35:52]  Please walk people through it, Dinesh.
[00:35:54]  Well, let me say first, Charlie, I'm very grateful to you and I'm delighted to be partnering with Turning Point and with you guys to have some key screenings around the country.
[00:36:04]  I hope there'll be a way also to get young people in your network to see this movie because that would be just thrilling to have.
[00:36:10]  The website is 2000mules.com, just the number 2000mules.com.
[00:36:15]  And it shows you the four or five ways you can see the movie.
[00:36:18]  There's a way perhaps to see it in the theater if we have happened to have a theater near you.
[00:36:22]  If not, I would say go watch it in our virtual premiere.
[00:36:26]  This is on Saturday, May 7th.
[00:36:28]  You can be part of this fantastic event.
[00:36:30]  And then the next day, it's available for digital download.
[00:36:34]  So you will just be able to go to Rumble Locals or you'll be able to go to salemnow.com, put in your credit card, click watch the movie.
[00:36:42]  So we're making it such that it's available to everybody and it can't be blocked.
[00:36:47]  Dinesh, thank you for this project.
[00:36:48]  Again, I'm honored to participate and I think it's going to be a big success.
[00:36:52]  We need a grassroots army.
[00:36:54]  That's right, a grassroots army of people to go to 2000mules.com, watch it, pay for it, get your friends to do the same, and then contact your Republican lawmakers and send them a version and say, why are you doing nothing?
[00:37:07]  Why has no one been arrested?
[00:37:08]  God bless you, Dinesh.
[00:37:09]  We're behind you.
[00:37:10]  God bless you so much.
[00:37:11]  Thank you so much.
[00:37:12]  Thank you.
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