The Charlie Kirk Show - Trump Sues EVERYONE, Durham, Bill Barr, and More—Unfiltered with Kash Patel
Aired: 2022-03-26
Duration: 31:48


=== Trump Lawsuit And Ukraine Biolabs (14:36) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey, everybody.
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[00:00:03]  Just my conversation with Kash Patel.
[00:00:05]  We go through Trump's new lawsuit.
[00:00:07]  We go through what John Durham is doing.
[00:00:09]  We go through biolabs in Ukraine.
[00:00:12]  We go through James O'Keefe.
[00:00:14]  It's a pretty comprehensive, legally focused episode that I think you're really going to enjoy, and you're going to learn a lot.
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[00:00:54]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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[00:01:26]  With us right now is Kash Patel.
[00:01:29]  Website is fightwithcash.com.
[00:01:30]  He has several lawsuits that he is engaged in against all the worst people on the planet.
[00:01:35]  We'll talk about that.
[00:01:36]  You're a former federal prosecutor.
[00:01:38]  You understand how this whole world works.
[00:01:39]  I want to ask your thoughts on the news yesterday.
[00:01:42]  We didn't touch on this at all.
[00:01:43]  Donald Trump filed a lawsuit yesterday.
[00:01:45]  Yeah, and it's probably, hopefully he's not listening.
[00:01:48]  It's his best one yet.
[00:01:49]  No.
[00:01:49]  Is that right?
[00:01:50]  I think so.
[00:01:50]  It's the most conclusive, comprehensive lawsuit.
[00:01:53]  It's basically if you took the Russiagate investigation, which Devin and I ran and looked at it from a criminal perspective, what Donald Trump has done is said, okay, how do I encompass everyone from Comey, Clinton, Clapper, Brennan, and all the whole DNC crew on down?
[00:02:07]  How do I get them civilly in federal court?
[00:02:09]  And the way you do it is you utilize this thing called RICO, racketeering enforcement and corrupt organizations.
[00:02:14]  We used to prosecute gangs under RICO lawsuits criminals.
[00:02:18]  But what most people don't realize is RICO also has a civil function.
[00:02:22]  So what he did was he took the RICO statute, which is permissible under by law, and said, these guys orchestrated the largest criminal enterprise in U.S. history, but I'm suing them on my civil side of the house for, I don't know, $75 million.
[00:02:36]  The whole point, right, is to get to discovery.
[00:02:38]  Yes.
[00:02:39]  Well, then also civil can lead to criminal.
[00:02:41]  Absolutely.
[00:02:42]  It can.
[00:02:43]  But I think John Durham's got that covered.
[00:02:44]  We could talk about that later.
[00:02:45]  But I think what the president wanted to focus on was finally say, I'm not going after onesies and twosies here.
[00:02:52]  I'm bringing everybody in, one federal lawsuit.
[00:02:55]  Everybody's got to go to the table as a different.
[00:02:56]  So just being objective, do you think this has a chance of walk us through why?
[00:03:01]  Because I mean, we've just kind of been so used to being synagogued.
[00:03:04]  Sure.
[00:03:04]  And, you know, we've been, you know, we talk about how hard it is for defamation and when you get deplatformed and all that.
[00:03:09]  This is totally different animal.
[00:03:11]  What he did was figure out a way with his team of lawyers to say, okay, how can we encompass everybody?
[00:03:17]  And the only real way to do that is RICO.
[00:03:19]  But is there a way to hold them accountable under that statute civilly?
[00:03:23]  RICO permits that both monetarily with judgments north of $100 million, which he doesn't really care about.
[00:03:29]  But if you find them at fault, the discovery process along the way is what's critical because they're going to have to come in and say, no, Mr. President, we did not violate the RICO statute.
[00:03:41]  We did not enter into an organized conspiracy against you to prevent you from being president.
[00:03:46]  And then while you were president, we did not go up and illegally surveil you.
[00:03:50]  And oh, by the way, the great thing is, how are they going to get around that?
[00:03:53]  There's an inspector general report that says exactly what they did.
[00:03:57]  And that's what Donald Trump brought civilly.
[00:03:59]  And there's also Department of Justice filings, the revocation of the FISA warrants against Carter Page.
[00:04:04]  How are they going to get around that?
[00:04:05]  These are judicial rulings in place and concrete memorandum under oath that they can't dodge.
[00:04:11]  So what's the threshold you have to reach in the RICO civil case?
[00:04:15]  Yeah.
[00:04:15]  So criminal, beyond a reasonable doubt, pretty high standard, right?
[00:04:19]  Civil cases, every civil case is this thing called a preponderance of the evidence, 51% to 49%.
[00:04:25]  That's it.
[00:04:26]  That's all you need in front of a jury.
[00:04:27]  Not it had to have happened.
[00:04:29]  It must have happened.
[00:04:29]  It should have happened.
[00:04:31]  Did it maybe happen just more than it didn't?
[00:04:34]  So, I mean, that's overwhelming in this case.
[00:04:37]  We already know it happened.
[00:04:38]  And that's what, and I think just the text messages from Strzok and Page alone, right?
[00:04:42]  I think, and to answer your question earlier, that's why I think it's so strong because everything's already been founded.
[00:04:48]  And it hasn't been founded by him, Donald Trump, the pleading client, the plaintiff.
[00:04:52]  It's been founded by the government.
[00:04:53]  It's been founded by congressional agencies.
[00:04:56]  There's zillions of under-oath testimony from the likes of Comey and company.
[00:05:00]  And there's all these TV and media statements.
[00:05:02]  And now we have indictments from Durham.
[00:05:04]  So it's already out there.
[00:05:06]  Where is he filing the lawsuit?
[00:05:07]  The Southern District of Florida.
[00:05:09]  Is that a favorable, like more than SDNY, I guess, or Southern District of New York?
[00:05:14]  Yeah, I know you and James were just talking about the Sovereign District.
[00:05:17]  I think it's a pretty good district.
[00:05:19]  And look, I'm biased.
[00:05:20]  I was, I practiced as a public defender in the Southern District of Florida for eight years.
[00:05:24]  So I appeared before every judge down there.
[00:05:26]  And I think they give you a fair shake for the large part.
[00:05:29]  And also, he's based out of Florida, so it kind of makes sense.
[00:05:32]  And so this is going to progress.
[00:05:34]  Now, does every one of the defendants have to now defend themselves or can they have a combined defense?
[00:05:39]  That's a great question.
[00:05:40]  So what they can do is enter into this thing called the JDA, a joint defense agreement.
[00:05:44]  So you have to get basically like 20 lawyers together to agree on something, which is probably unlikely.
[00:05:50]  Well, and the Clintons are going to be looking out for themselves, right?
[00:05:53]  And so there might be some trouble in paradise with all these characters.
[00:05:57]  No, you're totally right.
[00:05:58]  And it's not like they have, you know, the Mickey Mouse operation defending them.
[00:06:02]  James Comey, Hillary Clinton have the mega law firms defending them.
[00:06:05]  So does Steele.
[00:06:06]  So does Strzok.
[00:06:07]  So does Page.
[00:06:08]  So does Bruce Orr.
[00:06:09]  So does Fusion GPS.
[00:06:10]  These people, you can't get these people in one room together to agree on anything.
[00:06:13]  Their lawyers are never going to agree on anything.
[00:06:15]  So what you'll probably see is lower level defendants start copying to agreements, settlements outside just to pull themselves out of this thing.
[00:06:23]  So there's 47, 48 people in this lawsuit.
[00:06:26]  Can we go through all of that?
[00:06:27]  Yeah, let's look at it.
[00:06:27]  So I got to find this here.
[00:06:29]  Hold on.
[00:06:31]  It's at the Washington Post, which is behind a paywall.
[00:06:33]  I refuse to give them my money.
[00:06:35]  There is Justin News has it up.
[00:06:37]  Do they?
[00:06:37]  Okay, well, let's go.
[00:06:38]  So while I do that, so tell us, so they're going to have to have like 48 different, if they do a JDA.
[00:06:44]  If not, all of them are going to have to defend themselves if a judge doesn't throw this out effectively.
[00:06:48]  Is that right?
[00:06:49]  And you have to kind of picture this.
[00:06:50]  Federal courts are nice and big and whatnot.
[00:06:53]  And I used to do a lot of cartel cases, defending a lot of cartel cases where you'd have 30, 40 defendants.
[00:06:59]  Try putting all of them in one courtroom with all of their 50 lawyers apiece, plus all of the media.
[00:07:05]  But this is going to take forever, though, right?
[00:07:07]  I mean, this is like a 10-year deal.
[00:07:08]  Well, here's the thing, right?
[00:07:10]  And I think this is the motive here.
[00:07:12]  This is the play.
[00:07:13]  Yes, you want to reach a judgment at the end of the day, but what you want to do is just get to discovery.
[00:07:18]  You can get to discovery inside of a year.
[00:07:20]  All right.
[00:07:21]  So here's the list.
[00:07:22]  All right.
[00:07:23]  All right.
[00:07:24]  Here we go.
[00:07:24]  Hillary R. Clinton.
[00:07:26]  He just had to lead with her first.
[00:07:29]  HFACC Inc., that's Hillary Clinton for America, probably incorporated.
[00:07:34]  The Democrat National Committee, the Democrat Services Corporation.
[00:07:38]  He's Perkins Cooey.
[00:07:39]  He's sealing a law firm.
[00:07:40]  It's great.
[00:07:40]  That's hilarious.
[00:07:41]  Michael Sussman.
[00:07:42]  Who's that again?
[00:07:43]  The guy that was indicted by Special Counsel John Durham.
[00:07:45]  Mark Elias.
[00:07:47]  His co-partner.
[00:07:48]  Keep him busy.
[00:07:48]  Debbie Wassaman Schultz.
[00:07:51]  Charles Halliday Dolan Jr., Jake Sullivan, who's in a current National Security.
[00:07:56]  John Podesta.
[00:07:57]  Haven't heard a lot about him lately.
[00:07:59]  Uh, Robbie Mook, Philippe Rhines, I don't know who that is, Hillary Clinton spokesperson.
[00:08:04]  Okay, yeah, Fusion GPS.
[00:08:06]  Oh, we know them.
[00:08:07]  Glenn Simpson, Peter Freisch, Nellie Orr, and Bruce Orr.
[00:08:11]  Remind our audience what they were FBI.
[00:08:14]  Yeah, right.
[00:08:14]  So, Bruce Orr was one of the senior most attorneys at the Department of Justice.
[00:08:18]  His wife worked for the wife actually worked to collect and got paid by Fusion GPS to get dirt, false dirt on President Trump while Bruce Orr was the number four lawyer at the Justice Department.
[00:08:29]  And then, when they shut down Steele, do you know what Bruce Orr did?
[00:08:32]  He acted as a cutout for the FBI to source that information in.
[00:08:36]  Then, Orbis Business Intelligence Limited?
[00:08:38]  Christopher Steele's company.
[00:08:40]  I'm sure there's some documents there.
[00:08:42]  Christopher Steele, Igor Danchenko.
[00:08:44]  Yeah, another guy who was criminally indicted by Durham.
[00:08:48]  Newstart Incorporated.
[00:08:51]  Rodney Joffey, who's that?
[00:08:52]  He's a tech guy that we've been talking about in the last two indictments by John Durham.
[00:08:56]  The guy who went to the- Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:57]  The back end access to the White House.
[00:09:00]  This is going to get interesting.
[00:09:01]  James Comey.
[00:09:03]  We might have heard that.
[00:09:03]  We know that name.
[00:09:04]  Peter Struckshook, Smirk.
[00:09:06]  The lover, Lisa Page.
[00:09:08]  Kevin Klein Smith, who's also been indicted, right?
[00:09:10]  Convicted, too.
[00:09:11]  Oh, that's right.
[00:09:12]  He's a bad Catholic community service.
[00:09:13]  Oh, right.
[00:09:13]  Well, of course.
[00:09:14]  Yeah.
[00:09:14]  Andy McCabe.
[00:09:16]  And then John Doe 1 through 10.
[00:09:18]  What is all that?
[00:09:18]  I don't understand what that means.
[00:09:19]  There's certain people you can't identify publicly yet when you bring these types of cases to protect certain people's identities or something.
[00:09:25]  How can you sue someone without an identity?
[00:09:27]  Because the guy, the plaintiff, knows who it is.
[00:09:30]  So they're able to serve them.
[00:09:32]  There's certain equities you have to balance sometimes if it's a sensitive case or something.
[00:09:36]  So Trump knows who it is.
[00:09:37]  Yeah.
[00:09:38]  Okay, but he doesn't want to.
[00:09:39]  Not yet.
[00:09:40]  It'll come out.
[00:09:41]  Is that going to be interesting, you think?
[00:09:42]  I think so.
[00:09:43]  Because some of them might be sources.
[00:09:44]  Some of them could be things like...
[00:09:46]  Why would you sue a source?
[00:09:47]  Because they're responsible for digging up all the false dirt on you.
[00:09:50]  And who has the information?
[00:09:51]  It's follow the money.
[00:09:52]  You got paid by someone.
[00:09:53]  So this is a big boy lawsuit.
[00:09:55]  No, this is the major leagues.
[00:09:57]  And so you're a former federal prosecutor.
[00:10:00]  You've done some amazing things, worked in the Trump White House.
[00:10:03]  Is it written pretty compellingly?
[00:10:05]  Yeah.
[00:10:06]  And I encourage your audience.
[00:10:07]  Normally, federal pleadings put you to sleep.
[00:10:10]  The intro to this federal pleading, or just read the first three to four pages, is awesome.
[00:10:14]  It is extremely well done, factually accurate, and it just hits every sentence hard.
[00:10:19]  It's be really interesting.
[00:10:20]  Kash Patel, fightwithcash.com.
[00:10:23]  Also, you have a show with the Epoch Times?
[00:10:25]  Yeah, Cash's Corner once a week, every Friday night.
[00:10:27]  And we talk national security defense intelligence.
[00:10:29]  And right now, if you go to Truth Social and find me at Cash, there's a 14-day free subscription so you can binge watch the last four seasons.
[00:10:36]  Truth is going well, I hear, right?
[00:10:38]  Truth is going really well.
[00:10:39]  Look, you're talking to a guy who's a novice.
[00:10:41]  I have never been on social media.
[00:10:42]  Then my former boss decided to start TMTG.
[00:10:45]  Then my former, former boss became the CEO of TMTG.
[00:10:48]  And then they said.
[00:10:49]  You see Devin Ninez and Trump.
[00:10:51]  Yeah.
[00:10:52]  And they were like, I think you need to be involved.
[00:10:53]  And I was like, I don't understand how social media works.
[00:10:55]  But it's pretty simple.
[00:10:56]  It's pretty simple.
[00:10:57]  And the engagement cycle on it is impressive.
[00:10:59]  Yeah, we're seeing huge engagement.
[00:11:01]  I'm banned from Twitter.
[00:11:03]  Screw Tritter.
[00:11:04]  We're going right to Truth Social.
[00:11:05]  Let's do it.
[00:11:06]  So I want to ask you about a couple pointed questions here.
[00:11:09]  If you can't answer them, it's fine.
[00:11:10]  But do your best, please.
[00:11:12]  What's the truth of the biolab thing in Ukraine?
[00:11:15]  Oh, I can guess because I haven't had access to that type of intelligence in a long time.
[00:11:19]  So tell us, like, because I'm told it's Russian disinformation, or is it, I mean, was the United States actively involved in bio laboratories in Ukraine?
[00:11:27]  So I don't know the answer to that definitively because I haven't looked at the Intel in over, what, a year and a half now, right?
[00:11:32]  But back when I was deputy director of National Intel under Rick Rinnell, we would do these things called presidential daily briefings.
[00:11:37]  We would take the most sensitive information and prioritize it and present it to the president because he would need to make decisions based on that along with his entire cabinet.
[00:11:45]  So this would be one of those things.
[00:11:47]  If you recall, Rick and I, at the time, we couldn't say it publicly in late February of 2020, we went to the president and said the China virus came from the Wuhan lab, right?
[00:11:57]  And every, and what did President Trump do?
[00:11:59]  Shut down travel from China.
[00:12:00]  He was labeled a, you know, racist, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.
[00:12:04]  And then a year later, it finally came out that that's what happened, but the fake news media came in in the interim and said, you guys are lying.
[00:12:11]  There's no way and leaked all sorts of classified information.
[00:12:13]  The Russians are pros at disinformation.
[00:12:16]  So if they wanted to seed some sort of narrative into this cycle, the war that they're in, to say U.S. is funding Ukraine biolabs, they could do it.
[00:12:26]  They could be very successful at it.
[00:12:28]  And we wouldn't be able to figure it out with this administration's leadership because they're just not focused on things like countering those types of narratives.
[00:12:35]  Right.
[00:12:36]  Yeah.
[00:12:36]  So Victoria Newland comes out.
[00:12:37]  She says there's these bio labs.
[00:12:39]  I mean, I just don't trust our current government when it comes to this.
[00:12:41]  So I just don't, especially after Wuhan and gain of function research and all of that.
[00:12:47]  So how should we look at the Russian-Ukrainian situation?
[00:12:50]  It's hard to, I mean, I spent some time the other day because we haven't talked about it in a while just because there's so much other stuff going on here.
[00:12:58]  And it's really kind of hard to make sense of really what's happening on the ground.
[00:13:03]  It's almost impossible, literally, because you don't know what if you turn on to News Channel A versus News Channel B, two opposing storylines are coming out about the same topic.
[00:13:12]  So who are you going to believe?
[00:13:13]  You're going to believe most Americans the political narrative they want to believe, which I think hurts American national security.
[00:13:19]  It's the ultimate polication of our defense apparatus thanks to Joe Biden and the leadership he's put in place.
[00:13:24]  So if you listen to shows like yours, you actually have a chance at getting to the truth because you guys don't care about the outside rhetoric.
[00:13:32]  Your audience just wants to know what happened and how do I get it?
[00:13:35]  And I think that's why a lot of the cable news networks are failing.
[00:13:39]  So what really is happening on the ground?
[00:13:42]  I mean, people say Ukraine is winning.
[00:13:43]  Then Tulsi Gabbard says there's no way Ukraine can win this war.
[00:13:46]  I mean, it's hard to kind of, you know, separate the, you know what I mean?
[00:13:50]  Like, I mean, you have more expertise in this than I do.
[00:13:52]  So look, as Trump's chief of staff for the Department of Defense, right, we ended a couple of wars very successfully.
[00:13:58]  And launching a war is a whole another animal.
[00:14:01]  And this is what President Putin has done.
[00:14:03]  So in the middle of that process, it is almost impossible to get actual intel out, especially on a live 24-7 news cycle basis.
[00:14:11]  What I do think is everybody underestimated the Ukraine's ability to defend themselves, including America.
[00:14:18]  And they're doing well.
[00:14:19]  Are they winning?
[00:14:20]  Unlikely.
[00:14:20]  But what needs to happen to end this war is what needs to happen to end all conflicts.
[00:14:24]  You need diplomatic engagements along with kinetic force operations, which is what Zelensky's doing to try to get the sides to agree to take in the knee, basically.

=== Hunter Bill Barr Indictment Outlook (10:35) ===

[00:14:36]  But here's the other thing.
[00:14:37]  Here's the problem with that, right?
[00:14:39]  Putin doesn't care.
[00:14:40]  He doesn't care about Joe Biden.
[00:14:41]  He doesn't care about the Western allies.
[00:14:42]  He's not afraid of anyone.
[00:14:43]  And he's going to keep going because he has money.
[00:14:45]  He's got China backing him.
[00:14:46]  He's now got Iran in his pocket.
[00:14:48]  And so he doesn't care about the soldiers that die on his watch.
[00:14:51]  He just wants land and he wants to be in charge forever.
[00:14:54]  Got it.
[00:14:54]  And so, yeah, just it's so murky and it's really kind of hard to make sense of this.
[00:14:58]  And the stakes are so unbelievably high.
[00:15:00]  And I don't trust any of the actors at all that are engaged in this.
[00:15:04]  It's really disappointing.
[00:15:06]  You have a great legal mind and a political mind as well.
[00:15:09]  So I want to kind of bounce around a couple topics I just have when it comes.
[00:15:12]  So I want to first start with the James O'Keefe story.
[00:15:15]  I think you might have heard a little bit about this.
[00:15:17]  For sure.
[00:15:18]  I was really pushing James to understand part of this.
[00:15:21]  So you were a former federal prosecutor.
[00:15:23]  How unusual is it to send a private warrant and then a gag order to a company?
[00:15:28]  Is that a usual practice?
[00:15:30]  So I was a terrorism prosecutor for a while and we did a lot of these types of national security high-profile cases that we had to keep certain things under wraps.
[00:15:37]  But terrorism.
[00:15:37]  Yeah.
[00:15:38]  So that's exactly the difference.
[00:15:40]  James O'Keefe and then terrorist, right?
[00:15:42]  So that's exactly the difference.
[00:15:44]  And we would go to certain providers in extreme cases to be like, we just got to keep this hush hush.
[00:15:49]  And we would always get the judges say so.
[00:15:52]  You know, you can't just unilaterally like run amok with the DOJ.
[00:15:55]  So are these warrants or subpoenas?
[00:15:58]  Because a subpoena does not require a judge oversight.
[00:16:01]  Is that correct?
[00:16:02]  So we're going to get into the weeds a little bit here.
[00:16:04]  Okay.
[00:16:04]  So there's subpoenas that you got to go before you can get a grand jury subpoena.
[00:16:08]  You can go to an Article 3 judge and get a subpoena for whatever homes and subscribers.
[00:16:11]  So can't an FBI agent just print out a piece of paper as a subpoena, like I need your emails or something?
[00:16:16]  So there's national security letters, right?
[00:16:18]  The FBI has certain authorities under the law that don't need a requirement of going to a federal judge.
[00:16:23]  They can just say this issue is of a national security concern.
[00:16:26]  We want to go get the data, the call logs, the call text messages and all that stuff from companies X, Y, and Z while we investigate this matter.
[00:16:33]  That they can do that.
[00:16:34]  If they did that in James O'Keefe's case, again, comparing terrorism to James O'Keefe, right?
[00:16:40]  Someone they just don't like who's an American civilian, would be outrageous and also, I think, unconstitutional.
[00:16:47]  And so, I mean, then they also did it to Uber as well.
[00:16:50]  I mean, what sort of evidence do you have to have to get that sort of a gag order?
[00:16:54]  I mean, or did they just rubber stamp it, basically?
[00:16:58]  You just need basically a good faith reason to say, if we don't have this, then we're going to jeopardize the investigation that we currently have and it could harm national security.
[00:17:08]  Now, when I was doing that, that actually meant something.
[00:17:10]  Even in terrorism cases, we would get shot down because the judge was like, no, you didn't meet the threshold.
[00:17:15]  So I can't imagine in a case like James O'Keefe or anyone else that the FBI is looking at because they don't like what he's doing professionally.
[00:17:22]  Nothing's unlawful.
[00:17:23]  They just don't like James O'Keefe and Project Veritas.
[00:17:25]  That's unlawful.
[00:17:26]  Go after somebody because you don't like what they do.
[00:17:28]  So I want to shift gears here.
[00:17:30]  We actually haven't touched on this topic, which is Bill Barr is now on a kind of media circuit.
[00:17:36]  So this is all around kind of the Hunter Biden laptop, whether or not it was real or not, direct election interference.
[00:17:43]  And so Bill Barr was asked about this, I think, on Fox News.
[00:17:47]  Let's play Cut 31.
[00:17:50]  And I was shocked by that.
[00:17:52]  And fortunately, the DNI came out and said, no, it's not disinformation.
[00:17:57]  The FBI said the same thing.
[00:17:59]  Media ignored it.
[00:18:01]  So when you're talking about interference in an election, I can't think of anything more than that.
[00:18:08]  Knowing what you know of the case, do you think that there is any legal liability for the president here?
[00:18:13]  Perhaps not while he's in office.
[00:18:15]  I wouldn't want to venture an opinion on that.
[00:18:17]  I think the way he answered it is an answer, I think, in and of itself.
[00:18:21]  So, but do you think Bill Barr did what was necessary to make sure that people knew this laptop was real?
[00:18:29]  Or do you think he just handled it?
[00:18:32]  What do you think?
[00:18:33]  No.
[00:18:33]  I don't think he did enough at all.
[00:18:35]  And I worked with Bill Barr, you know, at multiple different locations when I was running the intelligence community or back to the White House running counterterrorism or helping Johnny Rack with the director of national intelligence, who he referenced in this case.
[00:18:47]  The number one law enforcement officer on planet Earth is the attorney general.
[00:18:50]  Is he literally going around on a book tour and saying, I didn't really know what was going on?
[00:18:55]  He's pedaling a book.
[00:18:56]  I don't know.
[00:18:56]  Oh, yeah.
[00:18:57]  He just came out with his book where he corrected me, where he takes me out.
[00:19:01]  Oh, is that right?
[00:19:02]  Oh, yeah.
[00:19:02]  Why?
[00:19:04]  He said he thought President Trump's idea to make me the deputy director of the FBI showed a detachment from reality because I didn't have the experience, except the fact that he became attorney general at 37.
[00:19:16]  Let's put that aside.
[00:19:17]  And you're a former federal prosecutor.
[00:19:19]  And a public defender and an intelligence official and a terrorism official.
[00:19:23]  That sounds so racist.
[00:19:24]  I mean, kidding.
[00:19:26]  Of course.
[00:19:27]  No, but I.
[00:19:29]  So Bill Barr comes after you in that way.
[00:19:31]  Anything else?
[00:19:32]  Or is it just kind of a one-off comment?
[00:19:33]  Oh, no.
[00:19:34]  He comes after Trump.
[00:19:35]  He comes after a lot of people.
[00:19:36]  Yeah.
[00:19:37]  And now he's going around doing this book tour on every fake news media channel, including, and then unfortunately, Fox News is giving him airtime.
[00:19:44]  Instead, when we were working on matters like this, what should have happened is Bill Barr should have taken a more proactive approach on a Hunter Biden laptop, on a Russia Gate investigation.
[00:19:55]  We had to force these matters into the Department of Justice and show them over and over and over again before he would act.
[00:20:00]  So, but here's an open-air concern.
[00:20:02]  You and I are both friends of the president, President Trump.
[00:20:05]  We're both in his orbit and we both want to see him win again.
[00:20:09]  But it seems like personnel was just a problem.
[00:20:12]  Can you speak to that at all?
[00:20:14]  100%.
[00:20:14]  Yeah.
[00:20:15]  We did not have the right personnel from Jump.
[00:20:18]  And it crippled the presidency along with the Russia Gate hoax for at least the first two to three years of his presidency.
[00:20:22]  And that's basically all of it.
[00:20:25]  We kept, or the group in charge at whatever time kept picking the wrong people.
[00:20:30]  We finally started to get it right with the likes of Rick Renell and Johnny Ratcliffe and all those guys we started putting in place.
[00:20:38]  But we have the bench.
[00:20:39]  You know this.
[00:20:39]  We have the bench.
[00:20:40]  We just didn't pick the right people.
[00:20:42]  Why weren't they picked?
[00:20:43]  Because in this White House, there was too many competing political interests.
[00:20:47]  And people, for example, right?
[00:20:50]  Devin and I were the outside guys.
[00:20:53]  Cowboys coming in with this Russia Gate stuff.
[00:20:55]  And back when Trump got elected, almost the entire Republican Party didn't even believe us, right?
[00:21:00]  So when we would come in and say, no, we're right.
[00:21:02]  And here's the evidence.
[00:21:03]  And these guys should be your FBI director, your CIA director, your NSA director, they'd be like, we're not going to listen to you.
[00:21:09]  We're going to listen to the rhinos and the lofty nobility of the Republican establishment and put those people in.
[00:21:15]  Remember, we got Chris Christie.
[00:21:16]  Chris Christie gave us Chris Ray as FBI director.
[00:21:20]  You know, we got Rod Rosenstein from the crew of rhinos out there that he's the worst deputy attorney general and basically acting attorney general.
[00:21:27]  Because Sessions recused himself.
[00:21:29]  Right.
[00:21:29]  So these are just examples.
[00:21:30]  Those are guys that should never have even been on the list, but they were because these political powerhouses got their hands into the presidential.
[00:21:38]  So you think second term, one of the things has to be kind of a promise that Trump is going to make different personnel choices.
[00:21:47]  And I guarantee you, if Trump was sitting right here, he would agree with us.
[00:21:50]  I mean, Mark Milley, he has nothing but bad things to say about him.
[00:21:52]  You know what I mean?
[00:21:53]  Like I give the list.
[00:21:54]  I think Trump agrees with us.
[00:21:56]  I suppose that if there is a second term, one of the concerns his voters are going to have, the only concern I think they'll have is not, are you going to do what you say you're going to do, but are you going to put the people in place to be able to do what you say you're going to do?
[00:22:07]  Yeah.
[00:22:08]  And you know how you solve that?
[00:22:09]  You build the book now.
[00:22:10]  And I believe that that's in process and that's going.
[00:22:12]  And then not only do you build the book now of who we're going to put in the cabinet and deputies and undersecretaries, but then you make announcements on the campaign trail.
[00:22:20]  If I win, this person's going to be head of FBI.
[00:22:22]  This person's going to take CIA.
[00:22:23]  This person's going to DOD.
[00:22:24]  Show the voters that that is the individual you have identified to lead your cabinet.
[00:22:28]  I think that's terrific.
[00:22:29]  And that's what he should do.
[00:22:30]  The same way he did the Supreme Court picks, basically.
[00:22:33]  Yeah.
[00:22:33]  So when I travel the country, I talk to the grassroots.
[00:22:36]  The only thing people complain about with the Trump presidency is the personnel.
[00:22:41]  And I was in it.
[00:22:42]  And you want to know what's sad?
[00:22:43]  So that's not an unfounded criticism.
[00:22:46]  Totally.
[00:22:46]  And you want to know what's sad?
[00:22:48]  I fought the personnel within the Trump presidency as much as I fought the personnel outside.
[00:22:53]  No, I totally agree with that.
[00:22:54]  And I have my own personal stories that I won't share of battles that I had.
[00:22:57]  And I wasn't in the white.
[00:22:58]  I mean, I did plenty of things, hopefully for the betterment of the country, most of which didn't actually materialize.
[00:23:04]  But boy, there are plenty of battles, tons of battles.
[00:23:07]  Okay, I want to get to this, the Hunter Biden laptop story.
[00:23:11]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  Just tell us your thoughts on where this all kind of stands right now.
[00:23:17]  So from my best understanding, there is an open, active criminal investigation by a United States attorney in the Department of Justice against this.
[00:23:24]  Now, what should have happened is when the New York Post and all these other companies broke the story as true and accurate, there should have been an immediate exploitation of that entire laptop and its contents by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
[00:23:37]  What happened was the continued politicization of the national security apparatus.
[00:23:40]  Hunter Biden, we can't touch him.
[00:23:41]  He's not Don Jr.
[00:23:42]  We can't make up stories about him, even though it looks like Hunter Biden is actually a criminal.
[00:23:47]  Let's bury this thing.
[00:23:49]  Let's not let it out during a presidential election cycle, thanks to the fake news media.
[00:23:53]  And oh, by the way, all these people, remember the 51 intelligence officials, Brennan, Comey, Clapper, all these classes.
[00:23:59]  That was one of the most fraudulent acts ever.
[00:24:02]  Ever.
[00:24:02]  During a presidential election cycle, they knew it.
[00:24:05]  And Politico was co-conspirators in that.
[00:24:09]  Oh, Politico, everybody, not just Politico.
[00:24:11]  Well, it was the Politico.
[00:24:13]  We did a whole show on this.
[00:24:14]  And you're right.
[00:24:15]  They all were.
[00:24:16]  But the first headline to be the most deceiving was Politico.
[00:24:19]  Okay.
[00:24:19]  Just the way they wrote it.
[00:24:20]  And as you know, it just kind of started that funnel.
[00:24:23]  And everyone then rewrote the political art.
[00:24:25]  Then you're right.
[00:24:26]  That's all they need.
[00:24:26]  They need a headline to the point.
[00:24:27]  It was Politico said, laptop is Russian disinformation, comma, 50 Intel agents former.
[00:24:34]  It said the way they wrote it.
[00:24:35]  You're right.
[00:24:35]  It was like so clickbaity, like it captured the top of funnel.
[00:24:38]  And you can't tell me, Charlie, and I know you agree with me that that didn't change voters' minds in the middle.
[00:24:44]  No, then Biden quoted it in the debates.
[00:24:46]  Right.
[00:24:47]  And so, so how do you think this is going to play?
[00:24:51]  I mean, like, is it realistic that Hunter's getting indicted?
[00:24:53]  I mean, where does that look?
[00:24:55]  If I'm reading the little print media that I still read that's accurate and credible, it looks like he's going to get some form of indictment.
[00:25:02]  And here's the problem, right?
[00:25:05]  How is this administration going to execute that?
[00:25:07]  What, this attorney general that was appointed by his father is going to go to the White House and say, I'm indicting your son criminally.

=== Katanji Brown Jackson Confirmation (04:38) ===

[00:25:12]  And then his dad's going to go, I'm going to pardon him.
[00:25:15]  Like, and do we have any confidence that an actual special counsel can be appointed to meet out this, which should have been done a long time ago?
[00:25:21]  What is this attorney general, Merrick Garland, by the way, remind you, going to pick someone to unilaterally prosecute Hunter Biden?
[00:25:28]  No.
[00:25:28]  So I don't have confidence in the DOJ I used to work at because of the politicization of it.
[00:25:32]  Yeah, and that's so disappointing.
[00:25:34]  I suppose, let's say Trump termed two.
[00:25:37]  And I know some of our listeners don't like Trump, but he's going to run.
[00:25:40]  And like, I mean, yeah, it's just the way it is, right?
[00:25:43]  So, I mean, and whether Trump term two basically is the only choice we have right now.
[00:25:47]  It just is.
[00:25:48]  So how do you clean up the DOJ?
[00:25:51]  Same way we were just talking about personnel.
[00:25:53]  You got to pick the right person.
[00:25:54]  Did you really change the DOJ with better personnel?
[00:25:56]  Here's the one thing I will say about my time in the Department of Justice.
[00:26:00]  It was for the overwhelming part.
[00:26:02]  The 98% of the people that I worked with were awesome.
[00:26:05]  I had no idea what their political affiliations were.
[00:26:08]  We were bringing amazing cases across the country and around the world.
[00:26:11]  Had no idea.
[00:26:12]  You know who the people that mucked it up?
[00:26:13]  The leadership.
[00:26:14]  Attorney General Eric Holder for Benghazi and the likes like that.
[00:26:18]  Loretta Lynch and Sally Yates.
[00:26:20]  When you take out those, the AG, the DAG, the Associate Deputy Attorney Generals, and you put in place the 10 to 12 people to run that department the way it should be.
[00:26:28]  Yes, I think you can fix it.
[00:26:29]  So it's really a dozen.
[00:26:31]  It's about a dozen.
[00:26:32]  Yeah.
[00:26:32]  But so it's just not just one person.
[00:26:34]  No.
[00:26:34]  A dozen change makers.
[00:26:35]  Yeah.
[00:26:36]  Now, the attorney general Senate confirmed, right?
[00:26:41]  But then that next can all just be appointed.
[00:26:43]  No, they're all that 12 that I'm referencing are presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed.
[00:26:47]  Oh, that's what makes the difference.
[00:26:50]  Got it.
[00:26:50]  And they have a lot of power.
[00:26:52]  A lot of power.
[00:26:53]  I want to ask you about Katanji Brown Jackson.
[00:26:57]  Katanji Brown Jackson looks like she's going to be confirmed because Joe Manchin, who represents West Virginia, says that she embodies West Virginia values.
[00:27:05]  I did not know leniency for child pedophiles, predators, and the inability to know when life begins, what the equal protection clause is, and what is a woman is a West Virginia value.
[00:27:15]  But then again, I'm not from Morgantown.
[00:27:18]  Cash, you think that it could have been worse?
[00:27:20]  I think it could have been far worse.
[00:27:21]  Look, I'm not rooting for the confirmation of Katanji Brown Jackson or anyone else they're going to pick over there.
[00:27:26]  But here's why I think this is almost as good as it could have gotten for a Democratic nomination for the Republican Party.
[00:27:34]  She's replacing Justice Breyer.
[00:27:36]  That guy was a legal powerhouse.
[00:27:38]  He had the gravitas over the decades to go to other Supreme Court justices and pull the court to the left with his actual intellect and decisive decision-making and ability to negotiate.
[00:27:50]  Katanji Brown Jackson, in comparison, does not have that gravitas.
[00:27:53]  Who is she going to go to?
[00:27:54]  Sodomayor.
[00:27:56]  It's not like the Republican appointees are on the, I don't think so, on the court are going to have anything to do with her.
[00:28:00]  They would engage a Justice Bryant.
[00:28:02]  She does not have the legal background.
[00:28:04]  She does not have the judicial integrity.
[00:28:06]  So she won't be very persuasive.
[00:28:08]  No, she'll write a few opinions and she'll always vote left.
[00:28:10]  Okay.
[00:28:11]  But in the grand scheme of things, I think we could have done a lot more, a lot more damage to the Supreme Court with other picks.
[00:28:17]  Now, I don't think she should be confirmed, but she's got.
[00:28:19]  What does this say just generally for kind of the rule of law and what a judge should be?
[00:28:24]  I mean, this is something you care about a lot.
[00:28:26]  Yeah.
[00:28:26]  I mean, this probably just doesn't, maybe you're used to just sealing radical judges because for me, this has just kind of been a learning experience.
[00:28:33]  Like, wow, this is where our country's at.
[00:28:35]  No, I'm kind of with, it's crazy.
[00:28:36]  I was a former public defender and a federal prosecutor.
[00:28:39]  I've been in front of over 100 judges in my life.
[00:28:41]  Yeah, you have a lot of experience with this.
[00:28:42]  And most judges, but pre-Donald Trump, were fair and straight down the middle and smart and had integrity, right?
[00:28:51]  But Donald Trump gets elected.
[00:28:52]  That all goes out the window.
[00:28:53]  And now here's the conversation we're actually having for the first time in like 250 years, plus years of our nation's birth.
[00:28:58]  Let's court pack.
[00:28:59]  Let's put more than nine on the Supreme Court.
[00:29:02]  If a Republican had said that during the Obama administration, they would have been set on fire.
[00:29:06]  But now every Democrat is saying it because we've got a race to get more and more and more in.
[00:29:10]  Well, and there's like what is biological reality, right?
[00:29:13]  Which is a whole nother kind of aspect that's, I mean, I have a simple answer to what is a woman.
[00:29:17]  It's what I'm trying to date.
[00:29:19]  Oh, there you go.
[00:29:19]  Okay.
[00:29:20]  So that I didn't see that coming.
[00:29:23]  So, yeah, I suppose this kind of opens up this whole question here for Republicans that I think is really important, which is how many of them are going to vote for Katanji Brown Jackson?
[00:29:37]  If any, Mitt Romney might.
[00:29:39]  And, you know, this is kind of, in my opinion, kind of the erosion of the constitutional order.
[00:29:45]  But, you know, you're saying it could have been a lot worse, which I appreciate, but it's still very disappointing.
[00:29:50]  I'll be very honest.

=== Truth Social Engagement Closing (01:56) ===

[00:29:51]  Oh, I 100% agree with you.
[00:29:53]  It's tremendously disappointing from the perspective of the world's most premier judicial operation, right?
[00:29:58]  The Supreme Court of the United States.
[00:30:00]  That's it.
[00:30:00]  It doesn't get any bigger.
[00:30:02]  And to put someone in that bank who doesn't have the gravitas and experience hurts.
[00:30:07]  It doesn't hurt Democrats and Republicans.
[00:30:09]  It hurts the U.S. because people look to us for that judicial making power.
[00:30:13]  It really does.
[00:30:14]  Okay, so big tech censorship.
[00:30:16]  You're on Truth Social.
[00:30:17]  I'm banned from Twitter.
[00:30:18]  You've dealt with this topic a lot.
[00:30:20]  Tell us just in closing again about Truth Social.
[00:30:23]  So look, Truth Social is, we've done a lot of, they've been looking at it a lot.
[00:30:28]  The engagement is off the charts from what I'm what I'm told.
[00:30:30]  I don't have Twitter.
[00:30:31]  I don't know how Twitter works, but what I keep telling people is very simple.
[00:30:33]  Look, we don't just want the right or the MAGA or whatever.
[00:30:36]  Everybody, everybody gets an invitation.
[00:30:38]  Come join.
[00:30:39]  And I've been challenging people like the Babylon B and others.
[00:30:41]  I'm like, look, everyone complains that Twitter is censoring you.
[00:30:44]  They're suppressing your numbers.
[00:30:46]  They're not letting you message.
[00:30:47]  Then take power back and get off of it and come over to truth.
[00:30:50]  And I know that that's a hard step, but if I can get one of those companies like a Babylon B or a Federalist to come over, then I think the waterfall, the avalanche will come behind it.
[00:30:59]  But check out Truth Social.
[00:31:00]  I'm at Cash for the first time at K-A-H-A-S-A-H.
[00:31:04]  I'm on there and I'm engaging with Devin Nunes.
[00:31:07]  And I believe the president of the United States is going to be jumping on at some point.
[00:31:11]  So get in line.
[00:31:12]  It's still in beta, but I think in the next 30 days, you'll see an explosion on Truth Social.
[00:31:16]  So we're getting a lot of questions about Durham.
[00:31:18]  Can't say much about that, but Cash will be back on our program if and when we get any news.
[00:31:23]  Live.
[00:31:23]  Live from Durham.
[00:31:24]  Cash doesn't live too far from our undisclosed location here.
[00:31:29]  So we'll be able to have him back on.
[00:31:31]  Cash is great.
[00:31:31]  Thank you so much for joining us.
[00:31:35]  Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
[00:31:37]  Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:31:39]  Thanks so much for listening.
[00:31:40]  God bless.
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