The Charlie Kirk Show - Previewing Proof of Fraud in 2020 with Eric Metaxas Aired: 2022-03-14 Duration: 35:29 === Ministry, Testimony, and Moving People (12:02) === [00:00:00] Hey everybody, Tan the Charlie Kirk Show. [00:00:01] Eric Metaxas is on the program and also my friend Barry McGuire, who talks about the need for us to share our faith. [00:00:08] Our in-depth analysis of our briefing from Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming movie on voter fraud. [00:00:14] And also, did Sodom and Gomorrah actually happen? [00:00:17] Kind of a grab bag of topics, unscripted, and that kind of makes for the best podcast. [00:00:22] Enjoy this conversation with two of my friends about things that matter that are beautiful, good, and eternal. [00:00:26] Buckle up. [00:00:27] Here we go. [00:00:27] Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. [00:00:29] Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. [00:00:31] I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk. [00:00:34] Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. [00:00:38] I want to thank Charlie. [00:00:39] He's an incredible guy. [00:00:40] His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. [00:00:48] We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. [00:00:57] That's why we are here. [00:01:00] Brought to you by Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage. [00:01:03] For personalized loan services, you can count on. [00:01:05] Go to andrewandodd.com, the wonderfulandrewandtodd.com. [00:01:12] I've known this guest for quite a while. [00:01:14] He's a great friend, and we're both. [00:01:15] You were 22 when I met you the first time in D.C. Wow. [00:01:20] And two people told me, you want to meet the smartest guy in the world? [00:01:23] Two of my most respected hierarchy guys told me, you want to meet the smartest guy in our lives that we've ever met? [00:01:31] And I had to meet you, so I chased you down at the Trump Hotel. [00:01:35] We had lunch one day. [00:01:37] I remember that startup. [00:01:38] Therefore, you're very kind. [00:01:40] And it's Barry McGuire, and you run Ignite America Ministry. [00:01:43] We do. [00:01:43] We sell car wax on the side, you know. [00:01:46] It's the side business? [00:01:47] Yeah, the side business. [00:01:48] We're the number one selling car wax. [00:01:49] It's a family business since 1901 and all that. [00:01:52] But, you know, back in 1976, I thought I should go into full-time ministry. [00:01:56] I prayed. [00:01:56] I asked God, should I go in? [00:01:58] And you almost had to speak to me with an audible voice. [00:02:00] A guy walked up my office, talked to me for a couple minutes, and heard how I was sharing my faith all over the place. [00:02:05] He says, God's given you a wonderful ministry, hadn't he? [00:02:08] And I said, well, what do you mean? [00:02:09] He says, you're reaching people that a pastor couldn't reach. [00:02:12] It's obvious that your business is your pulpit. [00:02:14] And folks, every one of us, no matter where you are, wherever you're at, that's your pulpit. [00:02:19] That is your pulpit. [00:02:20] I said, I can't believe that. [00:02:21] I just prayed this prayer not 20 minutes ago. [00:02:24] And he said, well, that explains it. [00:02:25] I said, explains what? [00:02:26] He said, I was driving up Red Hill. [00:02:28] I just dropped off missionaries at the Orange County Airport. [00:02:31] And God spoke to me and said, go see Barry McGuire. [00:02:34] And I argued with him all the way to your office saying, I don't know this guy. [00:02:37] I don't know what kind of business, but he would not let me go. [00:02:40] And I walked in your office. [00:02:42] I didn't know what to say, but how's it going? [00:02:44] And that's just, that was every once in a while. [00:02:47] God, sometimes it takes a while, but sometimes God just answers it right away. [00:02:51] And that was a life-changing moment for me. [00:02:53] The first time I realized that our lives and our ministry and our testimony, it's all one. [00:02:59] We're in full-time ministry. [00:03:00] There's nothing secular for us. [00:03:02] That's a separation. [00:03:03] No. [00:03:03] When you're on Fox, you're talking political news. [00:03:05] You're in full-time ministry. [00:03:07] You're uplifting the name of Jesus and everything you do. [00:03:09] And that's how we all should be. [00:03:10] Amen. [00:03:10] What percentage of Christians actively share their faith? [00:03:13] 1%. [00:03:13] Oh, come on. [00:03:14] No, the statistics say 35%, but we're big on statistics. [00:03:19] Explain us. [00:03:19] Explain us. [00:03:20] You know, most evangelicals today think sharing their faith is being a good person. [00:03:26] I have people come up to you all the time, and they're telling me stories how they're such a good person. [00:03:29] I'm sure I said, well, what did that accomplish exactly? [00:03:33] Other than it made you feel ready to go. [00:03:35] Yeah. [00:03:35] You know, and it's so easy to just do good things, of course. [00:03:39] But actions do not speak louder than our words. [00:03:42] Actions speak before our words, right? [00:03:44] Wow. [00:03:45] So when you do something, I said somebody, and just it just takes a second. [00:03:48] Just look at what's a good day. [00:03:50] And you look at them in the eye and say, and God bless you and mean it. [00:03:54] Don't say it as you're walking away. [00:03:56] Just mean it. [00:03:57] You know, close to half the time they'll look at you and a lot of times have tears in their eyes just by that simple people are hungry for God. [00:04:04] They're lost. [00:04:05] You know, 80% of the unchurched are looking for somebody to tell about God right now. [00:04:09] 75% of Americans going to bed in fear every night. [00:04:13] That's good for us because if they're in fear, they're searching for knowledge. [00:04:19] Over 80% of the unchurched. [00:04:20] These are hard, fast numbers substantiated. [00:04:23] We have it on our website by three different major studies. [00:04:26] We don't just use flippant stats. [00:04:28] Over 80% of the unchurched know the world's out of control. [00:04:31] You know that. [00:04:32] They know the world's out of control. [00:04:33] They would like to believe there's a God who can end the chaos. [00:04:37] They are looking for somebody to tell them and get this. [00:04:40] They already have at least one person in their life who's a Christian that they trust. [00:04:44] We could evangelize America in 30 days. [00:04:47] So our ministry is igniting Christians to ignite America with the revival one person at a time. [00:04:53] And they're not going to church. [00:04:54] You understand that? [00:04:55] 80% of the biography, they're blinded. [00:04:58] They're not bad. [00:04:59] They're not evil. [00:05:00] They're lost. [00:05:01] That's our fault. [00:05:02] But who's going to tell unless they're sent? [00:05:04] And when's the last time we've heard any of our pastors other than Jack Hibbs? [00:05:08] If you're like Ed Rob McCoy, but for the most part, they're just preaching sermons they could have preached three years ago. [00:05:13] They're certainly not saying go into the world and be a light. [00:05:17] You know, salt and light both have the same one thing about them is the same. [00:05:23] They both change their environment. [00:05:26] So the question is... [00:05:27] I thought of it though. [00:05:27] So every question, the question for every Christian is, are you changing your environment? [00:05:32] Wow. [00:05:32] Or is it changing you? [00:05:34] Easier question to answer. [00:05:36] Is the church changing our environment? [00:05:39] Or is the environment? [00:05:41] No. [00:05:41] Few are, but for the most part, no, the environment is changing our church. [00:05:45] Wokeism in our church. [00:05:46] It's killing me. [00:05:47] And you, people we thought were with us. [00:05:50] It is part of the last days prophecy. [00:05:52] You know, the apostasy, the great falling away is part of it. [00:05:54] I look at that. [00:05:55] But that doesn't soften it any. [00:05:56] I mean, it's killing to see what's going on. [00:05:58] It's so hard to see, isn't it? [00:05:59] How can it possibly be, people, you and I have both respected? [00:06:02] I remember you came to our office about a year and a half ago and you said, is this a lot of people? [00:06:06] How is it possible when it first started? [00:06:08] The woke is it first started? [00:06:09] You and I both shake our heads saying, how is this possible? [00:06:11] It's gotten a whole lot worse since then. [00:06:13] And the line's being drawn, the wheat from the chaff. [00:06:16] But that means for us who somehow, I don't know why you and I, we know who the Lord is. [00:06:24] There's so few of us. [00:06:25] But there's also this huge responsibility. [00:06:27] That's exactly right. [00:06:28] And time's running out. [00:06:30] I don't know how much time we have left. [00:06:31] I don't think we have a lot of time left, which means, folks, if you have someone in your life that's not a Christian, you're running out of time. [00:06:37] If the rapture was going to happen tomorrow, and it could, if you knew it for sure it was going to happen, what would you be doing with your unsaved friends today? [00:06:44] You'd be calling them. [00:06:45] And that's how we all need to be acting right now. [00:06:47] Without us, they have no hope. [00:06:49] There's no place to go. [00:06:50] They're not listening to Christian Ray. [00:06:52] They're not going to church. [00:06:52] It's us. [00:06:53] We're the church. [00:06:55] We are the church. [00:06:56] The ecclesia. [00:06:57] We're the ecclesia. [00:06:58] You explained that so well. [00:06:59] I want to just compliment Barry here. [00:07:02] I've seen it in action. [00:07:03] Restaurants. [00:07:04] Yeah. [00:07:05] Valets. [00:07:06] Every day. [00:07:07] If I'm out with Barry, he's sharing the gospel with somebody. [00:07:10] Just regular muscular class folks, right? [00:07:12] Waiters, waitresses. [00:07:14] Our theme is move everybody every day. [00:07:17] Not one person a day. [00:07:19] Oh, I suppose so. [00:07:20] Reach one person a day. [00:07:22] What about all the other people with today that are going to hell? [00:07:25] I just reach, and how do I pick one? [00:07:28] How do I pick the right one? [00:07:30] You know, no, that doesn't work. [00:07:32] But you do it with everybody, Barry. [00:07:33] I do. [00:07:33] You live this out. [00:07:34] I got to say. [00:07:35] Move everybody. [00:07:35] When I travel with you, it's exhausting. [00:07:37] Come on, Barry. [00:07:38] We can't stop. [00:07:39] And you said, nope. [00:07:40] Every person needs to hear the gospel. [00:07:41] I tell you, it's so much fun. [00:07:43] People say, why are you so happy every time? [00:07:45] Because I'm always coming off one of these experiences. [00:07:47] You know why? [00:07:48] I bet you haven't thought of this. [00:07:49] The joy of the Lord is my strength. [00:07:51] You hear that? [00:07:52] Amen. [00:07:52] It's not our joy, it's his joy. [00:07:54] And when I walk out of those, continue, I walk out of those experiences, I look up and I see Jesus smiling at me. [00:08:00] I just gave Jesus joy. [00:08:02] And if that doesn't put a bounce in your step, I tell you what, nothing does anymore. [00:08:06] How many times do I miss it? [00:08:08] And God's going, oybe. [00:08:09] I just sound very just blew me off. [00:08:12] I know that happens on occasion. [00:08:14] But when I pull it off, yes, you know, he sets the appointment and he gives you the words. [00:08:21] You don't have to do anything. [00:08:22] All you have to do is show up. [00:08:23] Wow. [00:08:24] Because there's no, you can't prepare for these conversations. [00:08:27] And he gives you scriptures you haven't thought of in 10 years. [00:08:30] He gives you stuff. [00:08:31] And you see, you walk away and say, I don't even know where that guy. [00:08:35] I do know where it came from. [00:08:37] Because Luke 12, 12 says, the Holy Spirit will give you the words to say when you need them. [00:08:42] So that whole dynamic, and that's why there's an intimacy with God. [00:08:47] You and I both know this. [00:08:48] You do this amazingly well. [00:08:49] I've watched you. [00:08:50] I mean, you're incredible. [00:08:52] That's why we're soulmates of this. [00:08:54] When you have that happen, the intimacy you have with God at that point. [00:08:58] I mean, you just, oh, God used you to move that person. [00:09:01] And it's not, you don't have to get them saved on the spot. [00:09:04] That rarely happens. [00:09:05] And when you do, you're the last of maybe 20 people who've been on that chain, right? [00:09:09] But you get to be there. [00:09:11] And if you just, if you move Mattiskosh, if we all did that, if we all moved, everybody were with it, just a scosh closer to Jesus, we'd have revival. [00:09:19] Amen. [00:09:20] Tell us about your website and how people are. [00:09:22] Website igniteamerica.com. [00:09:23] Tell us what you're talking about. [00:09:24] You know what podcast our pad costs launched? [00:09:26] You got one on Monday on Ignite America. [00:09:28] Well, we got a whole bunch of them. [00:09:29] We've got them with Michael and Dell and ever hear of Eric for Taxis. [00:09:34] He's on after you. [00:09:35] We're going to get it. [00:09:36] So they're all on it. [00:09:37] You can get it on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, Google.org. [00:09:41] Amazon. [00:09:43] Or you can go to igniteamerica.com. [00:09:46] They launch on Monday and every one of them is talking to you. [00:09:49] Like Mike and Dell. [00:09:49] I said, don't tell me about pillows and don't tell me about electrical stuff. [00:09:53] Tell me why everywhere you go, you talk about Jesus. [00:09:56] So these podcasts will light your fire. [00:09:59] Well, it's transformational. [00:10:00] I tell people that, you know, you bring Jesus into your life, he'll set you free. [00:10:04] Last scripture. [00:10:05] Isaiah 43, 10. [00:10:07] The only scripture says why you should share your faith. [00:10:09] Thus saith the Lord, I appointed you as my witness. [00:10:13] Everyone listening to it's right. [00:10:14] I appointed you as my witness so that you will believe. [00:10:17] Because when you share your faith, your own faith explodes. [00:10:20] Wow. [00:10:21] And your institute of God explodes. [00:10:22] That's why it's the Great Commission. [00:10:23] It's the most important thing. [00:10:26] Why is it the most important thing? [00:10:27] It's like the great old mission. [00:10:30] Pastors aren't telling us there's the number one thing we should do. [00:10:33] So that's the gap we're trying to fill. [00:10:34] Igniteamerica.com, Barry. [00:10:36] Known you for years. [00:10:36] God bless you. [00:10:37] You're blessing. [00:10:38] God bless you. [00:10:39] Thank you. [00:10:42] Look, I've been using ExpressVPN for at least five years. [00:10:45] And now it's the VPN that I trust. [00:10:48] And here's something that blows my mind. [00:10:49] These guys actually engineer their own VPN protocol called Lightway to keep your data secure without sacrificing speed. [00:10:56] That's what I love about ExpressVPN. [00:10:58] No trade-offs. [00:10:59] If you don't know what a VPN is, it stands for a virtual private network. [00:11:03] ExpressVPN is an app that encrypts 100% of your network data and reroutes it through a secure server. [00:11:08] This is especially important when you use public Wi-Fi. [00:11:11] Not only can the admin see everything you're doing, but hackers connected to the same network can steal your account logins and financial details. [00:11:18] Because they engineered their own VPN protocol, all the other major VPNs have the same off-the-shelf protocol. [00:11:24] Look, it's like making brownies using a mix. [00:11:26] Sure, you might add an extra egg in there or a dash of vanilla to give it an edge, but the foundation is still the same. [00:11:32] Nothing like using your own recipe. [00:11:34] This level of bespoke technology is what allows ExpressVPN, the best VPN out there, to provide superior speeds and enhance privacy and protection. [00:11:42] It's 2022. [00:11:43] You need to use a VPN every time you go online. [00:11:46] If you haven't used one yet, visit expressvpn.com slash Charlie and get three extra months free. [00:11:51] That's E-X-P-R-E-S-S-V-P-N.com slash Charlie. [00:11:54] Expressvpn.com slash Charlie to learn more. [00:12:00] I have kidnapped him against his will. === Eric Metaxas: The New Legend (03:07) === [00:12:03] He's kicking and screaming from his radio program. [00:12:06] He's going to be more popular than Johnny Carson on his new show. [00:12:10] And he's also a best-selling author in, what, 100 different languages? [00:12:14] Oh, at least. [00:12:15] At least. [00:12:15] Eric Metaxas, his reputation precedes him. [00:12:19] And they say he's a funny guy. [00:12:21] And the pretzels are making him thirsty. [00:12:25] No one gets that reference. [00:12:26] Thank you. [00:12:27] Straight over their head. [00:12:27] Thank you, Charlie. [00:12:28] Not that there's anything wrong with it. [00:12:29] Eric, God bless you. [00:12:30] How are you doing? [00:12:31] I'm doing great. [00:12:32] I just, you cheer me up. [00:12:35] That's the kind of person I am. [00:12:36] Like, when I'm around people like you, I just get instantly cheered up. [00:12:41] That gives me hope. [00:12:42] You're that kind of a man. [00:12:43] I was excited when I heard you were coming on the program. [00:12:46] So I really don't have much of an agenda. [00:12:48] I mean, what's your story? [00:12:49] I have nothing but agenda. [00:12:51] You've got nothing but age. [00:12:52] Nothing but agenda. [00:12:53] No, I don't have an agenda. [00:12:54] I just, we're at the NRB, which is it's all itself, like I have a love-hate relationship with the NRB. [00:13:00] It's National Religious Broadcasters Convention. [00:13:02] And it's kind of like, first of all, they always hold it where it is right now, which is to say the Gaylord Resort, blah, blah, blah, which is a terrarium for humans. [00:13:14] And as somebody who lives in Manhattan, people say, how can you live in Manhattan? [00:13:18] Because it's not like this. [00:13:20] Because there's less plastic per square mile. [00:13:24] You know, it's just so bizarre. [00:13:26] And people say, you're going to Nashville? [00:13:28] It's like, no, I'm going to the Gaylord, which is like, you know, it's like a habit trail, you know, plexiglass. [00:13:39] It's a monstrosity. [00:13:39] It's a monstrosity for human beings. [00:13:41] And, you know, a lot of people like it. [00:13:43] And I just want to be clear, those people are wrong. [00:13:47] But I bump into people here. [00:13:50] What makes it fun is that there are so many friends and people here. [00:13:55] And it's not as crowded as other conferences, which I actually like. [00:13:58] Right. [00:13:58] CPAC, so packed. [00:14:01] Yeah. [00:14:02] I can actually have a conversation. [00:14:04] This is actually, in some ways, it's delightful because I do get to mingle and bump into people, well, like you, who, you know, so it's a lot of fun. [00:14:14] My favorite thing, of course, was bumping into Pat Boone the other day. [00:14:18] Most people listening to this program are way too ignorant to know who Pat Boone is. [00:14:23] Pat Boone is one of the legends of the. [00:14:26] I can't even get over the fact that he's now a friend. [00:14:30] He's 87 years old. [00:14:33] He was ultra-famous all through the 50s and 60s and 70s and 80s. [00:14:39] And it's only recently, in a way, that people don't know who he is. [00:14:43] But he has a new movie out called The Mulligan, and he's just become a friend. [00:14:48] But he is just one of the legends of entertainment. [00:14:52] There's no one he didn't know as a friend, from Frank Sinatra to the Queen of England to the Beatles. [00:14:57] It's insane. [00:14:58] So that's kind of part of the fun of NRB. [00:15:02] So what's your read on the state of the country? [00:15:05] What country are we talking about, Charlie? [00:15:08] America. [00:15:09] That's kind of the question. === Ballot Boxes and Organized Crime (14:18) === [00:15:10] Well, I mean, look, I have said over and over, I'm pretty convinced the election was flat out stolen. [00:15:17] And if anybody ever thinks I will shut up about that, they're insane. [00:15:21] Yeah, and I want to talk, not in this segment. [00:15:23] I didn't only interrupt, Eric. [00:15:24] We need to talk about our time with Dinesh. [00:15:27] There's only Dinesh, but you know. [00:15:29] It's like Madonna. [00:15:31] Do you know many Dineshes? [00:15:32] There's only one Dinesh. [00:15:33] You mean Dinesh D'Souza or Dinesh McGillicutti? [00:15:37] Which one? [00:15:37] Which one are we talking about? [00:15:38] I was going to say, you know multiple Dineshes? [00:15:41] No, there's just the one Dinesh. [00:15:43] Now, I have to say, when we say we have Eric on, it's like share. [00:15:46] Yeah, yeah. [00:15:47] There's only one. [00:15:49] They say it's Eric. [00:15:50] Oh my gosh. [00:15:51] No, but we need to talk about our time with Dinesh D'Souza. [00:15:54] Yeah. [00:15:54] Not to be confused with Dinesh Douza. [00:15:55] I mean, the thing is, when somebody says, how's the country? [00:15:58] What's going on in the country? [00:15:59] You can't even answer that. [00:16:01] At least I can't, simply. [00:16:04] Because first of all, you have to say what country, what is happening, what is going on. [00:16:07] So there's the one level of having an administration that isn't just like outrageously, unprecedentedly, historically incompetent, but they are also not legitimate. [00:16:19] You have at least half of the country seriously wondering whether they stole the election. [00:16:25] So that's a whole layer of bizarre when you have a weak president, when you have a weak administration. [00:16:32] I'm old enough because I'm like twice your age to know this happens every time, but we're not going to be able to do it. [00:16:36] This happens every single time. [00:16:38] It happened with Carter. [00:16:40] It happens every single time you project any kind of weakness. [00:16:45] The tyrants, they would be fools as tyrants not to rush in and to get away with whatever crime and misery they can. [00:16:53] And of course, Putin is doing that. [00:16:55] The only question is, why hasn't China done it yet and when will they do it? [00:16:58] That's the question. [00:17:00] You know, when I'm talking to your audience, I'm sitting here with you. [00:17:04] It's hard for me to know what to say because I assume you've covered everything politically, whatever. [00:17:10] I don't know what to do. [00:17:12] No, no, but I mean, seriously, because like when you bring up Ukraine and Russia, for example, right? [00:17:17] I don't know, I haven't listened to your program on this, but to me, it's one thing that Biden, he sort of puts out a welcome mat. [00:17:27] Like it's a level of weakness that is so beyond, beyond, that, of course, now is the chance. [00:17:34] If somebody like Putin doesn't do stuff like this now, they'd be foolish. [00:17:36] Yeah, so I have, you know, the Salem community is very wise in the foreign policy world, but I probably have a contrarian take, and I bet you actually probably agree with me. [00:17:45] What is it? [00:17:46] Which I don't think we should get involved. [00:17:48] Well, no, that's the easy contrarian take. [00:17:50] I go a step further and say that it seems clear to me that deep state actors, neocons going all the way back to Bush 41, 43, they've been there forever. [00:18:01] We used to think they were the good guys, right? [00:18:03] Yeah, no, they were right. [00:18:04] They set this up, whether intentionally or unintentionally. [00:18:08] The point is that they have cynically, that's the key, cynically used Ukraine. [00:18:14] In other words, they don't give a damn about the people of Ukraine. [00:18:17] No, that's right. [00:18:18] They have used it to provoke the Russian bear in such a way that almost, you know, to save face or to preserve self-respect, Putin is goaded into belligerence. [00:18:30] Now, don't get me wrong, I know that he's wrong, and I know that he's not. [00:18:32] He's evil to invade a smaller, weaker country. [00:18:34] There's no doubt about that. [00:18:35] But what I'm saying is that we, what our government, and again, when you say government, we're not talking about people that were elected. [00:18:43] We're talking about Jake Sullivan. [00:18:46] We're talking about Victoria Noland or Vinman, all these guys that are just off. [00:18:49] Those people who are fundamentally, I would say, un-American and sometimes anti-American in their vision, they have controlled our foreign policy. [00:19:00] Because I've had conversations on my program with people like John Zmirek or whatever, asking, like, so when the wall fell, when the Iron Curtain came down in 91, why didn't we end NATO or change things dramatically? [00:19:17] In other words, who was behind the idea that we're going to sort of keep the Cold War going? [00:19:23] If they were going to do that, they were going to continue to spend zillions of Americans' dollars. [00:19:29] They would have to explain why. [00:19:30] How is it in our best interest to expand NATO? [00:19:33] The Soviet Union is gone. [00:19:36] What is at that point? [00:19:37] I don't even know what to do. [00:19:38] Well, in a contrarian way, not contrasting. [00:19:41] Because imagine Gorka would disagree with me, but he's not here. [00:19:43] Yeah, but, and I have a great deal of respect for Seb of Noah. [00:19:47] So do I. [00:19:47] So do I board? [00:19:49] Just see it a little differently, where it's actually because NATO kept expanding, it allowed Putin to consolidate power over is that it gave domestic political support that actually created his regime. [00:20:01] That's exactly what they're saying. [00:20:01] Because they say, see, see, the West won't go away. [00:20:04] Okay, that's exactly correct. [00:20:06] And so you think, what is that called? [00:20:08] That's called unbelievably bad leadership and planning. [00:20:13] These are people, you know, Buckley famously said he'd rather be governed by the, whatever, the first 300 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard. [00:20:20] That's what you're dealing with here. [00:20:22] Common sense. [00:20:23] Anyone in America can understand this evidently better than the people who have the power to enact this. [00:20:29] Here's the reason why. [00:20:30] So there's a woman walking right by NRB. [00:20:32] I don't know who this person is. [00:20:34] I would appoint her to run our Ukrainian policy. [00:20:37] You know why? [00:20:38] She probably doesn't have a vested interest in defense contractors or anything. [00:20:41] That's why. [00:20:41] Ouch. [00:20:44] It's so corrupt and so dark. [00:20:45] Because whoever that person was, I don't know who that person is. [00:20:48] She probably would want to do the right. [00:20:49] You know what? [00:20:49] You got what I'm saying, right? [00:20:50] Well, no, but that is the point. [00:20:52] But I'm saying that, I mean, I'm agreeing. [00:20:54] And what I add, Charlie, is how grotesque is it that we sort of accept this as the status quo as part of the course? [00:21:02] This is despicable. [00:21:03] This is absolutely against American ideals from the beginning. [00:21:10] We have never been a nation of cynical, line-my-pocket, corruption, whatever. [00:21:16] How have we allowed this to happen to the extent that it's happened? [00:21:19] We should be up in arms over this. [00:21:22] I mean, we should be wanting to throw out anyone who is tainted by this kind of thinking. [00:21:27] It really is the level of cynicism. [00:21:31] This is where it becomes spiritual for me. [00:21:34] It's demonic. [00:21:34] It's a level of cynicism that is so dark. [00:21:37] You're talking about human lives that are being affected. [00:21:40] Not just the 300-plus million in this country who are affected, how they pay their taxes and whether they have to go to war or send their kids to war, but people around the world, people in Ukraine, people in Russia, they're all affected by these fathomlessly cynical decisions. [00:21:59] And so I guess, you know, I hope that Americans are waking up. [00:22:02] I know that a number of them are, but we've got to throw the bums out. [00:22:06] And by the bums, I don't just mean those who were elected, who are rhinos. [00:22:10] I'm talking about people who are playing this game with evil, people who are not standing up against China. [00:22:16] My lord, it's just amazing to me that we played patty cake with the devil in China for three decades now. [00:22:24] Let me ask you, Eric, just to kind of go back to something you said earlier, which is this regime is illegitimate. [00:22:29] Right? [00:22:30] Yeah. [00:22:30] So you and I went to an undisclosed location right near Westlake Village, Thousand Oaks, to participate in Dinesh D'Souza's upcoming movie, 2000 Mules. [00:22:39] And I just want to emphasize for everyone listening, it's an amazing film, only because Eric talked very little at the beginning. [00:22:46] Thank you. [00:22:46] But, Eric, I just want your opinion of what your expectation was going into that briefing. [00:22:51] So, just to give our audience some insight, we sat down, we got a full briefing on the evidence that Dinesh D'Souza had about this being a stolen election, being a legitimate criminal conspiracy. [00:23:01] What was your expectation going into that? [00:23:02] And then what was your takeaway? [00:23:04] Okay, well, I mean, first of all, I didn't have any real expectation because, I mean, I was talking about this recently. [00:23:13] The level of criminal activity, it's kind of like somebody's saying, you know what? [00:23:18] There's this thing called organized crime. [00:23:21] We need to go after it. [00:23:22] And you'd say, okay, where would you even start? [00:23:25] Organized crime, kind of like the free market, except the dark version, where there is money to be made through criminal activity. [00:23:33] They are there making money. [00:23:35] So you don't even know where to begin. [00:23:37] So, what I realized, I mean, I've known this, but what you begin to see now is that the Democratic Party has been playing this game since at least 1960 on a presidential level. [00:23:51] We know that. [00:23:51] They've gotten better and better and better at it. [00:23:54] So, now, when you talk about corruption, stealing elections, you don't know where to begin because they have expanded the operation almost infinitely. [00:24:04] So, Mike Lindell talks about the machines. [00:24:07] Okay, that's one level to look into. [00:24:09] And I don't want to get into that. [00:24:10] Well, no, no, no, I don't want to either. [00:24:11] But that's kind of what I'm saying. [00:24:12] It's like that's a conversation. [00:24:14] You can put that 100% to the side whether nefarious actors like China have a vested interest in doing everything they can to pick the candidate they want. [00:24:25] Put that to the side. [00:24:26] Let's just talk about homegrown, you know, retail-level ballot trafficking. [00:24:33] We're going to get, we're going to hire people that don't have great jobs. [00:24:36] We're going to pay them to harvest ballots and to stuff those ballots in boxes because now we've got these ballot boxes, whatever like that. [00:24:44] There's money to be made. [00:24:45] They're on the job. [00:24:46] And so what Dinesh did is bring focus to that specifically. [00:24:51] And all I can tell you is my jaw was on the floor because it's not like this is easy to pull off. [00:24:59] Well, no, what I'm saying is it's easy to pull off. [00:25:03] And what he showed is kind of open and shut. [00:25:06] It's not like, well, what do you make of it? [00:25:08] Well, let's give an example, right? [00:25:09] So, Eric, you and I were sitting there in that briefing room in an undisclosed location, and we saw video after video of someone getting out of the car at 3 o'clock in the morning when everyone votes. [00:25:19] Yeah, everybody votes at 2 and 3 o'clock in the morning, obviously. [00:25:21] Wearing latex gloves, right? [00:25:24] Right. [00:25:24] Going up to the ballot drop box because we have a film of this. [00:25:27] Yeah. [00:25:27] Taking a picture of every ballot, putting the ballots in, and then taking the gloves off. [00:25:31] Now, they do not get paid unless they take... [00:25:34] This is how you know it's real, right? [00:25:36] They don't get paid for stuffing the ballots because the criminals don't trust the criminals, right? [00:25:41] So they say that we need proof that you committed the crime, so you need to take photos of your shoving these ballots. [00:25:48] And we saw those videos, right, Eric? [00:25:49] Yes, I saw it. [00:25:50] You saw it. [00:25:50] Where did they get the ballots? [00:25:52] Okay. [00:25:52] All kinds of illegal ballot harvesting. [00:25:54] And again, that alone is, there's multiple ways you can illegally harvest ballots. [00:26:00] They're doing it all, okay? [00:26:01] So you get young people who don't believe in right and wrong. [00:26:06] They believe in, I want to get paid. [00:26:07] You tell me I can do this. [00:26:08] I can get away with it. [00:26:09] So we have photos of this. [00:26:11] Why are they wearing latex gloves? [00:26:13] Because like a week earlier, somebody had been caught and somehow the scheme with fingerprints. [00:26:20] The fingerprint, whatever. [00:26:21] So they said, okay, so now we're going to wear latex gloves. [00:26:23] But remember, they took the gloves off after they put the ballots in. [00:26:25] They threw the gloves in the trash. [00:26:27] Yeah, they weren't wearing the gloves for any reason other than this. [00:26:31] And there's one film. [00:26:33] Actually, what really impressed me, I don't know if you described it on your program, but the technology that we now have with people's phones. [00:26:40] It's unbelievable. [00:26:41] This is kind of scary. [00:26:42] The good news is that the good guys used it to show what to show that these people, I mean, when they did this investigation, this forensics investigation, they set the bar really high. [00:26:57] They didn't say like one guy was caught stuffing a couple of ballot boxes. [00:27:00] They said like, if you didn't stuff it, you know, I don't know, 100 boxes or 20 boxes, we're not even going to put you in the system. [00:27:07] We're only going to look at the people that did this innumerable times. [00:27:11] We have their phone information and we can see them go to that Dropbox and that Dropbox and that Dropbox and that Dropbox. [00:27:17] And we see them over and over and over. [00:27:19] And then they go back to some NGO, to some crime headquarters. [00:27:23] They're going to Stacey Abrams' office in some cases. [00:27:25] Right. [00:27:26] And so we have this stuff cold. [00:27:29] There's nothing much to discuss. [00:27:31] The only question is, what will happen when this information comes to light? [00:27:36] Will Americans be up in arms and say, we refuse to live in a country where our votes don't count? [00:27:42] Yeah, I was so struck by it. [00:27:44] And so, Eric, you and I sat to the same thing. [00:27:46] And I was getting angry. [00:27:48] I'll be very honest with you. [00:27:50] I mean, it was, Jaw was on the ground, and then I was getting very angry. [00:27:53] How can you not get angry? [00:27:54] If you have a soul, if you love this country and you don't get angry, I mean, but there are people, Charlie, they're not angry. [00:28:00] They're like, eh, whatever. [00:28:00] Everyone with us in the room was definitely angry. [00:28:02] Dennis, to his great credit, was the skeptic. [00:28:05] And I think he was convinced. [00:28:06] I really do. [00:28:07] I mean, he asked all the correct questions, right? [00:28:09] Yeah. [00:28:09] But, Eric, we saw video after video after video of people having piles of ballots, wearing latex gloves, going up to the ballot drop boxes, dropping the ballots in, then taking the gloves off, one after the other, after the other, after the other. [00:28:21] And, I mean, it's the entire republic that we saw being robbed from. [00:28:24] And that's what we saw in Texas. [00:28:24] And what we saw, of course, was the tip of the iceberg because this operation is so vast. [00:28:29] It's kind of like talking about, you know, I said organized crime. [00:28:32] It's kind of like counterfeiting. [00:28:33] How many counterfeiting operations are going are happening across America? [00:28:39] Wherever they can be pulling it off, they're doing it now. [00:28:42] And that's what you have with a national election, a level of criminal activity that's just unfathomable. [00:28:48] I don't know if we have the resources even to be. [00:28:51] It's unfathomable until you look at the drug trade and the sex trade. [00:28:54] Well, there you go. [00:28:55] I mean, there's criminal networks in every nefarious activity. [00:28:57] There wouldn't be a criminal network to try to say, I don't know who controls the nuclear arsenal. [00:29:01] Right. [00:29:01] Right. [00:29:02] It's a little more important than just marijuana. [00:29:04] Can you imagine? [00:29:05] Can you imagine that one of the two major political parties is involved? [00:29:12] Maybe. [00:29:12] We don't know. [00:29:13] We know that there might be parts of the political apparatus. [00:29:17] Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here. [00:29:18] If the truckers have taught us anything, it's that we are infinitely more powerful when we stick together. 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[00:30:03] Get a free activation with the offer code Charlie. [00:30:05] They also have special discounts for our veteran and first responder heroes. [00:30:08] So vote with your dollars. [00:30:09] Stop giving money to cell phone companies that hate you. [00:30:13] Switch to Patriot Mobile, patriotmobile.com/slash Charlie or call 972Patriot. [00:30:20] I butchered all the books that Eric has written. [00:30:22] I don't think Eric even remembers all the titles. [00:30:26] If I'm pushed, if I'm really pushed to focus, the new one is called Is Atheist. [00:30:31] And it's a phenomenal book. [00:30:32] And I launched that book the day it launched. [00:30:35] I was on your program. [00:30:37] We did a whole day together. [00:30:38] It was in Arizona. [00:30:40] And I'm excited about that because in these wacko times, we need kind of unadulterated good news and hope. [00:30:46] And I really do believe that the science that I present in that book, most people, I really think until you read it, you can't even imagine. [00:30:55] So how could science be pointing to God? [00:30:58] Or how could but I really feel like we've done a bad job with the apologetics. [00:31:03] People need to know that even if you don't want to believe in God, the evidence for God is astonishing. [00:31:10] It's basically open and shut. [00:31:12] So we can quibble about the details, but we can no longer really quibble about whether God exists. [00:31:18] If you say you're an atheist, it's like saying you're a flat earther. [00:31:21] I want to counsel you to get off that title. [00:31:24] There's a chapter in the book or a segment that is pretty remarkable about the archaeological evidence for the event of Sodom and Gomorrah. [00:31:33] Well, that's actually what made me write the book. [00:31:36] I really haven't heard it. [00:31:37] No, that's still your book. [00:31:38] Charlie, that's the whole point is. [00:31:40] And I find this stuff. [00:31:41] And first my mind is blown, but then my mind is blown a second time when I realize. [00:31:44] I'm motivated to know why is no one talked about it. [00:31:46] Nobody knows this. [00:31:48] And I think to myself, if people knew just what's in my book, and there's just tons of other information, but I said, let me gather the kind of greatest hits, you know, from the science, from the archaeology, and a few other things at the end of the book. [00:32:00] I thought, if people just know this, it's game-changing. [00:32:03] And it's kind of bizarre that we have churchgoers in America that don't have a clue, that have themselves kind of bought into the idea that faith is at odds with science. [00:32:12] I mean, that is not only not true, but the opposite. [00:32:15] And effectively, there was an archaeological discovery that found some fossilized glasses. [00:32:19] Okay, well, the Sodom thing, yes. [00:32:22] I went to Albuquerque and I spoke in a church. [00:32:24] And when I was there, the pastor said, oh, you need to talk to this guy. [00:32:27] He discovered biblical Sodom. [00:32:28] And when you hear something like that, I'm normally skeptical. [00:32:30] And I think to myself, I've heard, because you hear people say they've discovered Noah's Ark, they've discovered this guy. [00:32:35] And I go, okay, look, I'm interested, but I think I would have heard if, okay. [00:32:40] So I looked into it, and it's always the detail. [00:32:43] There's reasons people haven't heard of it because sometimes the details are a little bit complicated. [00:32:47] In this case, you had people identifying Sodom and Gomorrah as down by the southern part of the Dead Sea, but there was nothing definitive. [00:32:56] So they kind of ignored it because it was like, we think it's here, but we don't know, whatever. [00:33:00] This guy, one day, is reading Genesis. [00:33:04] He's down by the Dead Sea, about to tell a tour bus, like this is where they think Sodom and Gomorrah is. [00:33:08] And he's reading Genesis the night before to prepare. [00:33:11] And it clearly says in Genesis that the cities of the plain were here. [00:33:17] And it's north of the Dead Sea. [00:33:19] They call it the Kakar Plain, south of the Sea of Galilee. [00:33:21] And he's thinking, wait a minute, we have never even looked archaeologically to see are there ancient cities there? [00:33:28] No one have ever looked if it says it plainly in the text. [00:33:31] Well, I'll tell you why. [00:33:32] Because in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s, whatever, because of the political situation. [00:33:38] Ah, the Arabs. [00:33:39] Yes, it's the Jordan side of the Jordan River, right? [00:33:43] So that's one reason. [00:33:45] But there are many other reasons. [00:33:46] So he finds a place. [00:33:48] He begins to excavate. [00:33:49] At the level of 1700 BC, sure enough, he finds a five-foot layer of soot. [00:33:56] This is across the entire area. [00:33:58] A five-foot layer of soot that every scientist would say is utterly inexplicable. [00:34:04] Earthquake, fire, volcano, whatever it is. [00:34:07] Nothing can explain this except one thing, what they call a cosmic airburst event. [00:34:12] The scientists call it that because it means a meteor, meteorite, asteroid, whatever, comes into the atmosphere, probably about 200 feet in diameter, so not that big. [00:34:21] It comes in at 35,000 miles an hour, explodes a few miles above the surface of the planet, right? [00:34:29] With the explosive power of 1,000 Hiroshima bombs. [00:34:33] This is what 21 secular scientists concluded after 10 years of going after this guy found it. [00:34:39] After he found it, he brings it. [00:34:40] And it happened to be at the same place for Sodom and Gomorrah. [00:34:43] It's the place. [00:34:44] Yeah, where it was said in the Bible, right? [00:34:46] And there was also fossilized glasses. [00:34:48] Well, that was the key. [00:34:49] That's the key. [00:34:51] He finds stuff that he knows. [00:34:53] It's 1700 BC. [00:34:54] He knows this, right? [00:34:55] But then he says there's glaze on it, which wasn't invented until 700 AD. [00:34:58] What is this? [00:34:59] So he takes it to some labs. [00:35:00] He says there's only one thing that could create the heat to melt ceramic pottery. [00:35:06] Atheism should be dead. [00:35:08] Is atheism dead? [00:35:09] I think it effectively is. [00:35:10] Yeah. [00:35:11] It is the Nietzsche question that is now being turned on its head. [00:35:14] Thanks so much for listening, everybody. [00:35:15] Email us your thoughts. [00:35:16] It's always freedom at charliekirk.com. [00:35:18] You want to support our show? [00:35:19] Go to charliekirk.com/slash support. [00:35:21] Thanks so much for listening. [00:35:22] God bless. 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