The Charlie Kirk Show - Putin Seizes Kyiv — LIVE Analysis with Jack Posobiec
Aired: 2022-02-25
Duration: 35:11


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[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today's the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:00:02]  Putin has invaded Ukraine.
[00:00:04]  Will we take a unique look at that as we are back behind the microphone?
[00:00:07]  What does it mean for America?
[00:00:09]  Should we have been there?
[00:00:10]  And so much more.
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[00:00:15]  And he's terrific.
[00:00:16]  Exclusive analysis on the Ukrainian issue.
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=== How The West Lied To Ukraine (07:20) ===

[00:01:34]  It's reprehensible what Vladimir Putin is doing.
[00:01:36]  There's no defense of it, period.
[00:01:37]  Innocence will die.
[00:01:38]  Innocence have already died.
[00:01:40]  Indiscriminate bombing of civilian centers, an invasion of a sovereign country, regardless of whether or not it's a democracy and Ukraine is not a democracy.
[00:01:48]  It's disgusting what Vladimir Putin is doing.
[00:01:50]  It's his war and he should own it.
[00:01:52]  And he will own it.
[00:01:53]  He is owning it.
[00:01:54]  He lied to the West.
[00:01:55]  He lied to the world.
[00:01:56]  He said, I'm not going to invade any.
[00:01:57]  That's exactly what he has done.
[00:02:00]  There's a lot of backstory, though, worth getting into.
[00:02:03]  And we're going to dive into this in a way I think that many shows will refuse to.
[00:02:07]  We're going to follow the entire history, the entire story.
[00:02:09]  We're going to have experts, legitimate experts, not the talking heads on television that say the same thing over and over again, and dive in to how the Biden-Obama regime, going back to Obama being president, created this.
[00:02:23]  How the West lied to Ukraine and actually weakened Ukraine through false promises, about how the destruction of American energy superiority and supremacy played into Russia becoming stronger and why Russia feels so empowered and emboldened to do this at this particular moment.
[00:02:41]  War is an awful thing.
[00:02:42]  It's terrible.
[00:02:43]  You're seeing the images of apartment buildings being bombed.
[00:02:46]  You're seeing the images of Russian tanks go through Ukraine and breaking in just the last couple of moments.
[00:02:52]  There's a firefight happening outside of Kiev right now, the capital of Ukraine, where it seems that the people of Ukraine and the Ukrainian military are doing everything that possibly can to hold the line against Russian aggression.
[00:03:04]  Now, it's unclear what Putin's aims and objectives are here.
[00:03:08]  He wanted to take Chernobyl.
[00:03:10]  We're going to have an expert that will tell us why that's strategically important.
[00:03:14]  There are troops coming from the south and from the east, but this was best explained.
[00:03:18]  Cut 80.
[00:03:19]  Jennifer Griffin walked through the latest of what's happening in Ukraine.
[00:03:23]  Play Cut 80.
[00:03:24]  There are indications, as Lucas is reporting, of an amphibious assault underway to the west of Mariupol.
[00:03:31]  Thousands of naval infantry, we're told, are moving ashore near Mariupol on the Sea of Azov.
[00:03:37]  According to this senior U.S. defense official, the Russians have lost a little bit of their momentum in these first two days.
[00:03:45]  No population centers have been taken so far.
[00:03:47]  Russia has yet to achieve air superiority, according to this official.
[00:03:52]  Ukraine's air and missile defense capability is still working, though degraded.
[00:03:57]  Ukrainian warplanes are still operational, we're told.
[00:04:00]  In general, in the first two days, according to this official, in general, we assess the Russian forces are encountering greater resistance than they expected.
[00:04:10]  They're not as strong as they pretended to be.
[00:04:12]  The Russians can't even control the air against a far poorer country and weaker country with nowhere near the military sophistication.
[00:04:19]  Cut 54: Ukraine's three largest cities are under attack right now, and that Russian Marines are on the ground.
[00:04:26]  Play Cut 54.
[00:04:27]  O'Shin, I can tell you that Ukraine's three largest cities are under attack tonight: Kyiv, the capital, Kharkiv, in northeastern Ukraine, and also Odessa.
[00:04:37]  In the last hour, I told you an amphibious landing by the Russians was being prepared.
[00:04:41]  I can now report that Russian Marines are on the ground in Odessa.
[00:04:46]  In Cut 56, intense fighting is taking place near Chernobyl.
[00:04:49]  Chernobyl actually has been taken by Russian troops, and they crossed into Ukraine from the puppet government in Belarus.
[00:04:55]  Play Cut 56.
[00:04:57]  Harris, good morning.
[00:04:58]  At this hour, Russian forces continue their air and ground campaign against Ukraine.
[00:05:03]  The Ukrainian Interior Minister says that Russian troops have now crossed the border from Belarus into northern Ukraine and are currently battling his troops in the Chernobyl zone.
[00:05:14]  This is a key zone because if they are able to move forward from there, they can continue marching on to the capital of Kyiv.
[00:05:22]  Kyiv really badly.
[00:05:23]  They want to get rid of President Zelensky.
[00:05:25]  It's not going to be as easy as they thought, though.
[00:05:27]  There's some fight left in the Ukrainians.
[00:05:28]  This is no Afghanistan.
[00:05:30]  This is no situation where people just flee to the hills and allow the Taliban to take over.
[00:05:34]  Vladimir Putin largely underestimated the fight and the result of the Ukrainian people and military, and also he overestated his own military might.
[00:05:43]  It's an international humiliation for Vladimir Putin as he's not able to take what he thought was going to be just a walk in the park.
[00:05:50]  Over 130 airstrikes were done throughout the country of Ukraine.
[00:05:54]  So there's a lot to get into as to what America's involvement and role should be and actually what's happening on the ground in Ukraine.
[00:06:00]  And the first thing, from a moral standpoint, what Vladimir Putin is doing is reprehensible.
[00:06:05]  A stronger country crushing a weak one after lying to the world saying that he's not going to incur on it.
[00:06:11]  It's just separatist regions.
[00:06:13]  Now, every single foreign policy expert on television, including people from the CIA who go on TV to talk, not as much as CIA, but the intelligence apparatus, they said this would just be a minor incursion.
[00:06:23]  This is a full-fledged invasion from every potential direction.
[00:06:28]  Joe Biden has responded in the way Joe Biden will, kind of muttering, saying that we're going to just put sanctions on, and that's the extent of what we're going to do.
[00:06:37]  Listen to this montage from Biden's response in Cut 74 as he continues his knock-on wood policy.
[00:06:44]  That's exactly what he did when we left Afghanistan.
[00:06:46]  And I will make the argument that our improper, imprudent withdrawal from Afghanistan led to this event and set the table for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
[00:06:59]  Play Cut 74.
[00:07:01]  You didn't mention SWIFT in your sanctions that you announced.
[00:07:04]  Is there a reason why the U.S. isn't doing that?
[00:07:08]  It is always an option, but right now, that's not the position that the rest of Europe wishes to take.
[00:07:14]  Given the full-scale invasion, given that you're not pursuing disconnecting Russia from what's called SWIFT, the international banking system, or other sanctions at your disposal, respectfully, sir, what more are you waiting for?
[00:07:27]  The sanctions we opposed exceed anything that's ever been done.
[00:07:31]  Let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working.
[00:07:35]  Sanctions clearly have not been enough to deter Vladimir Putin to this point.
[00:07:39]  What is going to stop him?
[00:07:41]  No one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening.
[00:07:47]  So Biden's going through saying that, look, the sanctions aren't going to prevent this.
[00:07:50]  And we need to just take a step back and ask ourselves the question: why now?
[00:07:56]  Why is Putin invading another sovereign country at this moment?
[00:07:59]  And what did we do that actually set the conditions for this invasion?
[00:08:04]  Well, Putin knew that this opening would never come again.
[00:08:06]  He knew that we, including myself, are war-weary.
[00:08:10]  20 years in Afghanistan, we have multiple crises here.
[00:08:12]  We're being invaded on the southern border.
[00:08:14]  The last thing we wanted is to try to get in some sort of border dispute 5,000 miles away.
[00:08:18]  And I remain with that view.
[00:08:20]  Could you imagine if we had American troops on Ukrainian's border, on Ukraine's border, and Vladimir Putin went for it?
[00:08:24]  We would then be in a full kinetic war with Russia.
[00:08:28]  And I don't think this is going to be as easy as Vladimir Putin planned.
[00:08:31]  Ukraine's a massive country, both from a square mile perspective and also from a population standpoint.
[00:08:39]  In Ukraine, they're arming the citizenry, getting ready to fight in the woods and fight in the streets.
[00:08:45]  This is not going to be an easy toppling of the government and replacing it, as Vladimir Putin has been saying.

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[00:09:04]  And war is a travesty.
[00:09:05]  It's evil and it's unacceptable behavior from the Russian government.
[00:09:10]  He said, oh, no, no, we're just putting troops there because of Western aggression.
[00:09:14]  And then he goes for it.
[00:09:16]  And there's already a couple hundred people dead we know of and there's going to be a lot more than that.
[00:09:21]  Biden said he was engaging in diplomacy.
[00:09:23]  And you look back, he actually wasn't.
[00:09:25]  He was engaging in begging.
[00:09:26]  He's basically begging Putin not to do this with no leverage at all whatsoever.
[00:09:31]  And one of the reasons, and we're going to get into this, is Biden disassembled the American energy supremacy and superiority we had under Trump.
[00:09:39]  Our economy is far weaker than it was previously.
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=== Trump Chose Economics Over War (16:00) ===

[00:12:02]  One of the tragedies of this entire thing is the West lied to Ukraine for years.
[00:12:06]  We taunted Putin and kind of dangled NATO membership to Ukraine, which actually weakened Ukraine.
[00:12:13]  Ukrainian people had this far-distant hope that they were going to join NATO, and that was never a serious offer, nor should it have been, by the way.
[00:12:19]  NATO was big enough as it was and was largely an American project.
[00:12:23]  And because of that, Ukraine probably didn't make the investments in their military or their own domestic security apparatus that they otherwise would have because there was this distant hope that we were going to help them, that we were going to come and bail them out if they were ever invaded.
[00:12:36]  And now they're left completely and totally alone.
[00:12:39]  Instead of being very clear with Ukraine, that look, this is not our fight, you're going to have to ramp up your own security production and you're going to have to defend yourself against an invasion or whatever might happen in the future.
[00:12:50]  Instead, the constant infiltration of the American security apparatus and State Department in Ukraine via Hunter Biden, John Kerry, Joe Biden demanding prosecutors to be fired, all the different types of activity that we saw in Ukraine has led this moment of a very weakened Ukraine and also a stronger Russia.
[00:13:10]  Now, the environmentalists have completely captured the White House.
[00:13:13]  Biden is completely controlled by the environmentalists.
[00:13:16]  The stronger America's energy production has been and was, the weaker Russia was and the more timid they were.
[00:13:23]  But also, we had a president for four years, President Trump, that was able to prevent Vladimir Putin from doing any sort of incursions of Georgia, of Crimea, or Ukraine.
[00:13:32]  Why?
[00:13:32]  Why is it that the president that was accused of being a Russian agent is also the president that was able to stop Russia from doing any sort of adventures abroad?
[00:13:44]  Not only was President Trump an anti-war president of new wars for America, there were no new wars that broke out anywhere.
[00:13:53]  Now, there was the Syrian Civil War that was a travesty for humanity with the Russian-backed Bashar al-Assad, but the world was more peaceful when Trump was president.
[00:14:02]  Why is that?
[00:14:03]  Number one, Trump looked at things in concentric circles.
[00:14:06]  I wrote an entire book about this called the MAGA Doctrine.
[00:14:08]  And you can have whatever opinion you want of Trump's personality.
[00:14:11]  It's irrelevant.
[00:14:11]  He was a phenomenal president when it came to this.
[00:14:13]  Phenomenal off the charts, especially when it came to being able to keep the world in a peaceful place.
[00:14:18]  And he looked at concentric circles.
[00:14:19]  He said, okay, if I'm actually going to go through with any threats or diplomacy, we have to get our own country organized, our own country strong.
[00:14:30]  Unshackle the American energy entrepreneur, expanding liquid natural, liquefied natural gas LNG leases, build the Keystone XL pipeline, strengthen the American economy, cut taxes, deregulate the economy.
[00:14:44]  So America was humming.
[00:14:45]  That gives you a lot of leverage to then engage in diplomacy.
[00:14:51]  Strong and rich countries are able to effectively engage in diplomacy.
[00:14:56]  When Vladimir Putin talked to Emmanuel Macron, he looked at him.
[00:14:59]  He's like, this guy's a joke.
[00:15:01]  He doesn't have the military capacity.
[00:15:04]  He doesn't have the economic strength to actually make good on any sort of promise.
[00:15:09]  This is nothing more than not, it's not even a negotiation.
[00:15:13]  It's a joke.
[00:15:14]  And Putin treated it as such.
[00:15:18]  And so the first thing that Trump did, which was so effective, is make the American economy so strong, so powerful, that there are no chips that other countries can play against you.
[00:15:30]  The second thing is that in the art of negotiation, be unafraid to say what the other side fears.
[00:15:37]  Trump was over the top.
[00:15:39]  Some would say bombastic.
[00:15:40]  He would exaggerate, engage in hyperbole, but it worked.
[00:15:44]  The results spoke for themselves.
[00:15:46]  It was peaceful.
[00:15:47]  There were no new wars.
[00:15:49]  For example, when Trump met privately with Vladimir Putin, Trump said this.
[00:15:54]  said, listen, Vlad, if you move against Ukraine while I am president, I will hit Moscow with missiles.
[00:16:03]  Vladimir Putin reportedly responded, no way.
[00:16:06]  Then Trump said, oh yeah, all those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.
[00:16:13]  During that same visit, Trump told Xi Ji Ping that any military move against Taiwan would be met with an attack on Beijing.
[00:16:19]  You just go straight to the throat.
[00:16:21]  Now, Trump was reported to be so erratic and so unpredictable, Putin didn't believe him.
[00:16:26]  And then he probably got home and he said to himself, is this guy crazy enough to actually bomb Moscow?
[00:16:32]  I don't know if I want that.
[00:16:33]  Boom.
[00:16:34]  Leverage.
[00:16:34]  Strength without firing a missile.
[00:16:38]  You think that Putin looks at Biden and says that's a guy that actually is going to be willing to fulfill his promises?
[00:16:44]  Of course not.
[00:16:46]  Xi, like Putin, is said to have been stunned, though it was not possible whether either man believed Trump was serious.
[00:16:53]  It's also possible that both accounts are exaggerated.
[00:16:56]  But it is a fact that neither man made the moves against Trump, and it's said that he's said to have warned against.
[00:17:03]  The MAGA doctrine was being willing to go straight to the throat and say, oh yeah, you're going to move against Ukraine.
[00:17:09]  I'm going to go bomb the Kremlin.
[00:17:11]  Now, some people would say that's irresponsible.
[00:17:13]  Well, it worked.
[00:17:15]  It worked where there were no invasions of Ukraine, no trying to capture of Taiwan.
[00:17:20]  The world was at stasis because America was strong.
[00:17:23]  We were strong domestically.
[00:17:25]  We were strong from an energy standpoint and economically.
[00:17:30]  Look, there's so much political pressure out there from the left and the woke mob, and it's from the Democrat Party.
[00:17:35]  Our society has ultimately been controlled by cancel cultural elites.
[00:17:40]  Look, we talk openly on this program about what you need to do.
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[00:18:51]  With us right now is Jack Pisobic, who's a good friend and runs Human Events Daily, brought to you and powered by Turning Point USA.
[00:18:59]  Jack has been on top of the Ukraine issue.
[00:19:02]  He's a former intelligence officer for our wonderful military.
[00:19:04]  Jack, welcome back.
[00:19:06]  Charlie, good to be on.
[00:19:07]  Jack, what's going on in Ukraine, and what should America's response be?
[00:19:11]  I think you actually kind of hit the nail on the head a minute ago when you talked about this idea of concentric circles of how the U.S. should, the U.S. is going to have to change its foreign policy moving into this new era.
[00:19:24]  So we are seeing an area where those concentric circles that we do not get to unilaterally conduct our policy throughout the world anymore.
[00:19:34]  What you're seeing is a global restructuring of the world or this neoliberal experiment, the United Nations, NATO, all of these organizations.
[00:19:45]  It has failed.
[00:19:46]  It's done.
[00:19:47]  That was backstopped only by a strong America and an America that could underwrite the whole thing.
[00:19:52]  We don't have that anymore.
[00:19:54]  What we now have is the right because of the rise of China, which we have financed and which we have fueled, they are now working with Russia to rebalance the entire world system, the entire world order.
[00:20:07]  In many ways, you could say it's kind of going back to the system that we had pre-World War II, in a sense where you have this idea, this concept of multi-polarity.
[00:20:17]  So, what you're seeing going on now in Ukraine, it's horrific and it's disgusting.
[00:20:22]  And Vladimir Putin chose to do this.
[00:20:24]  He chose to go down the path of war, by the way.
[00:20:26]  He had so many other methods that he could have chosen.
[00:20:30]  He could have chosen energy.
[00:20:31]  He could have chosen pipelines.
[00:20:32]  He could have chosen economics, anything.
[00:20:34]  He chose war.
[00:20:35]  We need to be very clear about that.
[00:20:36]  That's number one.
[00:20:37]  But number two, we also have to understand that the great global realignment is underway, right?
[00:20:44]  And so what do we need to do as Americans?
[00:20:46]  We need to ask ourselves, if nuclear war is on the table, then that means that New York City, Washington, D.C., San Francisco, Los Angeles, they're all on the table now because nuclear war has been stoked as a potential option.
[00:21:02]  Guess what?
[00:21:02]  We are not the only ones with nukes.
[00:21:04]  We need to start acting like we don't control the world anymore.
[00:21:08]  So you're right.
[00:21:09]  Putin decided this and it's reprehensible.
[00:21:13]  Some people are saying he's losing his mind.
[00:21:15]  I don't know if that's true or not.
[00:21:17]  But Jack, what is he thinking or is he not thinking?
[00:21:20]  Is this just a, I'm never going to get this chance again?
[00:21:23]  I don't care if it craters my economy.
[00:21:25]  This is going to be my legacy.
[00:21:27]  And so be it if tens of thousands of people die.
[00:21:29]  Why is he doing this?
[00:21:30]  Charlie, I think that from his perspective, right, and really just to understand the history of Eastern Europe has always been worfing constantly.
[00:21:40]  My family's from Poland.
[00:21:41]  Now you see why we left Eastern Europe.
[00:21:44]  Now you see why we left Poland because Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, these have always been the killing fields of the great empires, whether that's Russia, whether that's the Soviet Union, whether that's the Germans, whoever it is.
[00:21:58]  The fighting and the killing always seems to take place inside these areas.
[00:22:03]  And the bloodshed and the killing that we've seen there and that we're seeing now again has just been the history.
[00:22:10]  The blood that has been soaked into that soil over the past even 100 years, even going back 500 years, right?
[00:22:16]  This is part of it.
[00:22:17]  So Putin is not rising above.
[00:22:20]  He's not rising above any of this stuff.
[00:22:22]  He's going back into the old way of thinking, into the old way of doing business to say, if I want to push these people out, I'm going to do so with might.
[00:22:31]  I'm not going to do so with diplomacy.
[00:22:32]  I'm not going to do so with negotiations.
[00:22:34]  I'm going to push back.
[00:22:36]  And from his perspective, they have always said they view NATO as a threat.
[00:22:40]  So they view NATO expansion as a threat to Russia and to the Russian motherland.
[00:22:45]  What does that mean?
[00:22:46]  That means where we were talking about putting military forces, putting NATO forces, missiles, armaments, tanks inside Ukraine, he viewed that as a direct threat to the Russian motherland.
[00:22:59]  And perhaps our leaders, instead of using Ukraine as their personal piggy bank, like the Clintons and the Bidens have been doing for years, maybe they should have actually listened to how dire the Russians were telling us they viewed their actions as a threat.
[00:23:14]  What should the United States response be here, Jack?
[00:23:17]  Because the American people don't want troops to be sent there.
[00:23:20]  I don't even think that's in the cards.
[00:23:22]  Military strikes will be met with an escalation.
[00:23:25]  We don't want that to happen.
[00:23:27]  Is there any U.S. response to this besides just a diplomatic and press release one?
[00:23:32]  Well, I think the U.S. response really should be to sue for peace and to broker that peace.
[00:23:36]  If we can stand up and be the ones to say that we brought the sides together, right?
[00:23:40]  Now, I don't know if the Biden administration, unfortunately, are the ones that be able to have any credibility to actually do this, right?
[00:23:47]  Do you really think that Tony Blinken is going to fly to Minsk and anyone's going to be able to listen to him?
[00:23:51]  The guy's a clerk.
[00:23:52]  They laugh at him throughout the world.
[00:23:54]  They're laughing at him when they saw the fall of Kabul.
[00:23:56]  Now it looks like in a couple of these days, we might see a siege of Kiev, of the city of Kiev.
[00:24:02]  They're laughing at Tony Blinken and they're laughing all the way to the bank about it.
[00:24:06]  So, what should the United States position?
[00:24:07]  Look, we should sue for peace and find the peace that we can get.
[00:24:12]  If Russia needs this that badly, look, we've got to find a way to stop the killing, to stop the shooting now.
[00:24:18]  So, that means number one, sue for peace, but also make it hard, make them pay, cut them off economically, cut them off at the knees.
[00:24:26]  If we're talking about sanctions, you got to go for SWIFT.
[00:24:28]  And by the way, we know that China is underwriting a lot of this.
[00:24:31]  China's still buying U.S. or Russian oil.
[00:24:34]  China is still buying the LNG from Russia.
[00:24:35]  They're building pipelines across Mongolia, in the Far East, Russia, into Siberian areas, the Siberian hinterlands.
[00:24:41]  Go to China, put pressure on Xi Jinping now.
[00:24:45]  Don't even do it down.
[00:24:46]  Do it yesterday.
[00:24:46]  Go to him, put the pressure on, put the set and threaten sanctions if you have to.
[00:24:50]  Ratchet up the tariffs, threaten to decouple completely with China.
[00:24:55]  If he wants to realign with China, okay, fine, but you're going to pay the price and China is going to have to pay the price for backstopping all of this.
[00:25:02]  To understand what's going on out there, and I know that this seems like a chaotic period.
[00:25:07]  And I know it seems like a chaotic and a crazy time.
[00:25:10]  It seems like the floor has just fallen out from under us.
[00:25:14]  We're seeing horrific, brutal images that are coming across our screens, coming across social media.
[00:25:19]  I do want to offer one word of caution: don't believe every single video you see on social media.
[00:25:24]  Don't believe everything that comes across that because understand that there's a lot of CGI, there's deep fakes, there's video game videos that are being shown.
[00:25:32]  There's even old videos being shown from training exercises or from 2014.
[00:25:36]  So understand that just because you see something that's coming across your Twitter feed or social media, Instagram, whatever it is, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's real or it's happening right now.
[00:25:45]  But that's not to diminish the fact that there are good people that are fighting for their lives right now.
[00:25:51]  You've got Ukrainians fighting for their homes.
[00:25:54]  You've got people that are trying to protect their land.
[00:25:59]  So understand you are seeing real heroism from the side of those Ukrainian defenders today.
[00:26:04]  And the siege of Kiev, which is coming, it is going to be brutal and it is going to be violent.
[00:26:11]  So understand when you're looking at all this just emotionally, what you have to do is you have to say, look, what can I focus on?
[00:26:18]  What can I focus on that I can control?
[00:26:20]  What can I focus on that I can do in my personal life, in my daily life, in my home life, in my community life, my family life?
[00:26:28]  What can I control?
[00:26:30]  And what can I do that matters going forward?
[00:26:33]  Prayer, of course, is a huge part of it.
[00:26:35]  Grieve.
[00:26:36]  And by the way, I'm already starting to hear reports now that humanitarian efforts are escalating.
[00:26:41]  People are putting together teams to figure out: are there ways that charity groups can get in, Christian groups to get in to help the people that are the victims of this violence, the victims of this brutality?
[00:26:53]  And as we gather more information on that, we're going to make that information available to you, available to everybody out there so they know how can they help if you can help with wallets, whatever form it ends up being to be able to get in there and to help the humanitarian side of all of this.
[00:27:08]  So that's the bigger part, number one.
[00:27:10]  What can we do as people, as Christians, as believers?
[00:27:13]  What can we do to help the people who are caught in the middle of this?
[00:27:17]  Look, my family comes from this area.
[00:27:19]  My wife was born and raised in this area.
[00:27:21]  She came to the United States.
[00:27:23]  She'll be the first to tell you.
[00:27:25]  This has been the history of Eastern Europe, the killing fields of World War II, of so many violent conflicts and bloody conflicts for the past 500 years, even the past thousand years.
[00:27:36]  If you want to go back further than that, the word Ukraine itself actually means borderland.
[00:27:41]  So it means at Grenica is border.
[00:27:43]  So it means Ukraine is at the border, is essentially what it means there.
[00:27:48]  And so understand also that the people of this area, the people, the Ukrainian people, the Belarusian people, and the Russian people, they don't want this.
[00:27:58]  Understand that you've got a regime in Russia and you've got a regime in Belarus.

=== Surgical Strike On Kyiv (07:07) ===

[00:28:03]  The same way that we talk about, you know, regime of the CCP.
[00:28:07]  The people, the regular people, the common man, they don't want this.
[00:28:11]  They don't want to be doing this fighting.
[00:28:13]  That's why you're seeing protests, brave protesters up there in Moscow and everywhere else.
[00:28:18]  They're out there against it because they don't want to support this war.
[00:28:23]  I want to ask you about the actual kinetic conflict on the ground of Ukraine.
[00:28:27]  I want to ask how long this could last.
[00:28:30]  What does Russian success look like?
[00:28:32]  It seems like they're planning for mass casualty events country, both from a landmass standpoint and from nothing else.
[00:28:41]  If the Ukrainian citizens really choose to fight and they really choose to engage, this could result in tens of thousands, and God forbid, hundreds of thousands of people potentially dying.
[00:28:51]  And so I want to kind of go through what you're hearing on the ground there, Jack, because some reports are showing that Putin is just doing a surgical operation straight to Kyiv, get the president, displace him, assassinate him, whatever, and then get a new government in place very quickly.
[00:29:08]  And that's easier said than done, it so seems.
[00:29:10]  There is heavy fighting outside of Kyiv right now.
[00:29:13]  And it doesn't seem as if the Russians have been able to pull off, let's say, air dominance or air superiority or supremacy.
[00:29:20]  And Jack, I want to ask you about that as well, which is, is the Russian military not all that they said they were?
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[00:30:32]  Jack, can you please walk us through the conflict on the ground in Ukraine and the kinetic nature of it and how long this might last?
[00:30:41]  All right, Charlie.
[00:30:42]  So you were asking some questions before about is Russia sending their best into this or is this a surgical strike?
[00:30:50]  And one thing that, you know, look, there's a lot of fog of war on all this right now.
[00:30:54]  And we're, you know, we're getting battlefield updates or what we'd call BDA or battle damage analysis from Twitter, essentially, right?
[00:31:02]  Twitter and Telegram.
[00:31:03]  So, you know, take all of this with a huge grain of salt, but there is an interesting throughput line where people are saying, is Russia really sending the vast bulk of their military units?
[00:31:14]  Are they sending those tank columns or are they kind of sending in some of their older equipment, some of the stuff they don't mind, you know, don't mind losing?
[00:31:24]  Or are they holding back?
[00:31:25]  Are they holding back to some extent?
[00:31:27]  And so it looks like that we're seeing, of course, as you said, we're seeing fighting in the south that is coming out of Crimea and that is coming up north.
[00:31:34]  So there's huge resistance from the Ukrainians in those southern regions across the peninsula, right, that connects Crimea to the mainland.
[00:31:41]  So that's where they're fighting in that isthmus.
[00:31:43]  They're punching out into southern Ukraine.
[00:31:45]  What are they trying to do there?
[00:31:46]  They're trying to build a land bridge.
[00:31:48]  And, you know, maps are very useful in this.
[00:31:49]  And we do map breaks in human events daily all the time because of it.
[00:31:52]  But the idea is they're trying to connect a land bridge between Crimea and those regions in the east, that Donbass region.
[00:32:00]  So there's fighting, pushing out of Donbass, but they're also trying to connect with Russian forces that are coming out of Crimea.
[00:32:06]  That's the southern fight.
[00:32:07]  In the north, you're seeing fights across the border in Kharkiv.
[00:32:11]  And then, of course, mainly you're seeing that this huge push on the city of Kiev itself.
[00:32:16]  That, of course, has equal part psychological operation as it is a direct strike at the regime of Ukraine.
[00:32:24]  And essentially, that is, and even Tony Blinken said this seems to be like a regime change operation.
[00:32:30]  They want to decapitate the government of Ukraine and they want to install their own pro-Russia government in.
[00:32:36]  So in doing that, they've already conducted, by the way, a battle of Chernobyl.
[00:32:41]  Yes, that Chernobyl.
[00:32:42]  That took place, including an aerial assault from Russian paratroopers.
[00:32:45]  They landed in that area.
[00:32:47]  They assaulted Chernobyl.
[00:32:48]  And it looks like they have taken it because that is on a direct path, a direct line to Kiev as they march south on both sides of Nepar River in a classic military-pinter argument.
[00:32:58]  And again, just so, you know, because of course we have to say this, when we're describing operations, that does not mean we are supporting operations or condoning any of this.
[00:33:05]  We're explaining what's going on on the ground as best we know it at this time.
[00:33:09]  We're also getting reports of airstrikes on other military emplacements around the country.
[00:33:14]  There's limited sea skirmishes that have gone on so far in and around the area of Odessa, Snake Island.
[00:33:20]  It looks like there was a huge martyrdom of those 13 defenders of Snake Island, which is just outside of Odessa, which could be used as an amphibious assault landing points for that for an assault further on Odessa.
[00:33:32]  That would be furthest west.
[00:33:34]  If the Russians were able to take Odessa, that would essentially give them control of the entire northern, the entire northern half of the Black Sea.
[00:33:42]  So not just Crimea, but push out all the way across.
[00:33:46]  So you're really seeing this on multi-front.
[00:33:48]  It's really a three-front war that they're fighting right now.
[00:33:51]  This could last for a long time.
[00:33:52]  This doesn't seem like it's easy or it's going to happen overnight.
[00:33:55]  Is that right?
[00:33:55]  Well, it doesn't seem like they're going for a full-on destruction of Ukraine.
[00:33:59]  It looks like they want concessions.
[00:34:01]  It looks like they want a deal.
[00:34:02]  It looks like they want to bring people to the table to fly up to Minsk, bring Zelensky in, send Lavrov, send a delegation to get those concessions from Ukraine.
[00:34:10]  And the big one is getting NATO off the table.
[00:34:12]  And I really do hope that we can sue for peace and that we can get a ceasefire in place as soon as possible.
[00:34:18]  All right.
[00:34:18]  Well, Jack, thank you so much for joining us.
[00:34:19]  Jack Posobiec from Human Events Daily, brought to you by Turning Point USA.
[00:34:23]  Thank you so much, Jack.
[00:34:24]  Appreciate it, Charlie.
[00:34:25]  It was pleasure.
[00:34:26]  Just to compare the Ukraine and Russia's military: Ukraine spent $4 billion on their military.
[00:34:31]  Russia spent $45 billion on their military.
[00:34:34]  And Russia has 900,000 active personnel, and Ukraine has 196,000 active personnel.
[00:34:42]  Russia is going straight for the heart in Kiev, and the people are fighting.
[00:34:45]  They're holding the line in Ukraine.
[00:34:48]  However, it's closing in very quickly, and we're going to keep our eyes on that as it continues to develop.
[00:34:53]  Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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