The Charlie Kirk Show - Hillary Clinton's History of Lawlessness with John Solomon
Aired: 2022-02-18
Duration: 34:24


=== Where Did The Billions Go (10:03) ===

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[00:01:27]  So there's an ongoing story I want to spend some time on because it's really important, which is where did all of Black Lives Matter money go?
[00:01:36]  This is not a small amount of money, and there's a lot of the same sort of actors that we have kind of grown accustomed to that are involved in this.
[00:01:45]  So first, I'm reading from an article from Spiked.
[00:01:48]  Is that the name of the website?
[00:01:49]  Spiked?
[00:01:51]  By Wilfred Riley.
[00:01:54]  Quote, the Black Lives Matter movement has raised billions of dollars over the past several years, but no one wants or seems to care about how the money was spent.
[00:02:02]  Now, Washington Post, New York Times, they're totally uninterested in this.
[00:02:06]  Totally.
[00:02:07]  On December 2020, The Economist noted that $10.6 billion had been pledged to causes and organizations affiliated with BLM.
[00:02:19]  According to that article and further reporting from the right-leaning Daily Signal, BLM corporate donors included Amazon, Gatorade, Microsoft, 23andMe, Tender, etc.
[00:02:30]  So $10.6 billion have been pledged to BLM.
[00:02:38]  As far as this author can tell, he says no comprehensive or even partial audit of what happened to this staggering sum of money has ever taken place.
[00:02:47]  Indeed, given the sheer number of corporate and NGO players involved, conducting one would be very difficult.
[00:02:53]  So let's start with one organization.
[00:02:55]  It's called the Black Lives Matter Global National Fund.
[00:02:59]  I think it's BLM GNF.
[00:03:03]  Now, they raised over $90 million in 2020, the year that George Floyd was killed.
[00:03:11]  According to the New York Post, by the end of 2020, the group had an approximate balance of $60 million after spending $8.4 million on undefined expenses and costs and committing $21.7 million to local chapters.
[00:03:28]  But this is when the picture gets complicated.
[00:03:30]  Now, by the way, I just want to compliment this guy from spiked.com.
[00:03:34]  This is the best piece of journalism I've seen on this, and this is just like surface level.
[00:03:39]  But of course, none of the media would be bothered by looking into this.
[00:03:42]  Of course not.
[00:03:43]  So this is when it gets complicated.
[00:03:45]  A group of 10 Black Lives Matter chapters known as hashtag BLM10 includes the organization Sizable New Jersey and Hudson Valley branches.
[00:03:55]  They publicly criticized BLM GNF, their mothership, in November 2020, over lack of financial transparency, decision-making, and accountability.
[00:04:04]  Quote, to the best of our knowledge, a spokesperson for hashtag BLM10 stated in an open letter that, quote, most chapters have received little to no financial support from BLM GNF.
[00:04:17]  The 2020 impact report for Black Lives Matter, which includes BLM GNF, BLM PAC, and BLM Grassroots, does not mention funding given to local chapters, but it only lists 11 chapters as recipients of the funding given out to them.
[00:04:32]  Interestingly, BLM's impact report lists far more transgender advocacy organizations as its recipients than organizations promoting black civil rights, whatever black civil rights mean today, whatever.
[00:04:46]  The lists of the organizations to which BLM GNF pledged at least a six-figure grant includes Trans United, the Audrey Lorde Project, Black Trans Circles, the Transgender District, the Black Trans Travel Fund, the Okra Project for the Gworls, the Trans Justice Funding Project, the Trans Housing Coalition Homeless Black Trans Woman Fund, the Black Trans Media, and Black Trans Femme in the Arts.
[00:05:15]  Now, let me just stop here.
[00:05:16]  I had no idea that there were this many networks of transgender alphabet mafia groups, but I should have known better, obviously, because boy, are they pushing it?
[00:05:26]  And it's very telling that the racial groups basically give the money to the transgender groups.
[00:05:34]  It's really interesting.
[00:05:35]  It's like, yeah, so we believe in black identity, so we're going to go give money to groups that believe identity is something you can change.
[00:05:44]  So we believe in things you can't change, like skin color and tribes, and so we're going to go give money to people that believe you can change it.
[00:05:51]  So strange.
[00:05:53]  Questions have also been raised about what's going on at the top of BLM GNF, and nobody knows.
[00:05:58]  There's no one in charge.
[00:05:59]  It's a slush fund.
[00:06:01]  It's a shell.
[00:06:02]  It's a mystery.
[00:06:03]  The organization does not appear to have a chief executive officer for over a year.
[00:06:07]  According to the Washington Examiner, which did great work on this, former CEO Patrice Cullers stepped down in May of 2021 following criticisms of her personal finances.
[00:06:15]  She went on a shopping spree.
[00:06:17]  She bought homes across the planet, literally, Canada, everywhere.
[00:06:21]  This appears, they gave all these different excuses, but then this is when it gets even more interesting.
[00:06:29]  BLMGNF has now opted to suspend its online fundraising operations.
[00:06:34]  Tens of millions of dollars were also certainly raised during a period when the organization had no leadership team.
[00:06:41]  And then, of course, were the houses, Spike.com rights.
[00:06:44]  Again, this is a terrific piece.
[00:06:46]  One of the main reasons Culler stepped down was due to the controversy over her real estate buying binge, which she purchased for homes valued at $3.2 million.
[00:06:57]  Cullers signed off on the deeds for a house in Inglewood, California worth half a million dollars, a custom ranch property located in rural Georgia, which was equipped with an airplane runway, and a $1.4 million mansion in Ritzy, Toponga Canyon, a short drive from Malibu.
[00:07:15]  You'd think all of this would make people want to know what happened to the billions pledged to BLM or the millions given to BLM GNF, but nope, the media doesn't care at all.
[00:07:23]  Why would they be bothered by such things?
[00:07:26]  Spike.com says, quote, this seems to be a product of the soft bigotry of low expectations that is becoming increasingly prevalent on the woke left.
[00:07:35]  Continues kind of with just some personal commentary and basically says this at the end.
[00:07:43]  Here's a tip: if and when you give to a black charity, don't be racist enough to assume it's normal for the organization to have problems like BLM is currently embroiled in.
[00:07:51]  You should treat it like any other charitable donation and make sure the organization has transparent finances, a definite address, and a CEO.
[00:07:59]  Basic things.
[00:08:01]  Now, BLM is so corrupt.
[00:08:03]  And by the way, we called how corrupt BLM was the entire time and we were called racist relentlessly because you're not allowed to criticize an organization that has black in the name without being called a racist.
[00:08:15]  I run a 501c3.
[00:08:17]  I know the scrutiny.
[00:08:18]  We go through third-party audits every single year and the most extensive exhaustive audits.
[00:08:24]  We have to file registration for fundraising in all 50 states every single year.
[00:08:29]  Annual, it's called annual solicitation agreements.
[00:08:32]  We go through third-party audits.
[00:08:34]  We have board of directors.
[00:08:35]  We have conflict of interest statements.
[00:08:37]  We have all sorts.
[00:08:38]  I mean, it is exhausting.
[00:08:39]  We have in-house counsel, outside counsel, like I'm talking about hundreds of man hours that go into this.
[00:08:45]  And by the way, we are a micron of the revenue that BLM raised in one year.
[00:08:50]  One year.
[00:08:51]  And we have the Washington Post, we have New York Times, everyone reaching out about, what does this mean?
[00:08:55]  What's this?
[00:08:55]  What does this mean?
[00:08:56]  What does this mean?
[00:08:56]  Like unbelievable scrutiny.
[00:08:58]  Like, oh, hey, how about the organization that had $10 billion pledged to them?
[00:09:01]  Like, do you ask anything about that?
[00:09:02]  Or they don't have a CEO.
[00:09:03]  They don't have an address.
[00:09:04]  She starts buying homes all across the planet.
[00:09:06]  You don't care about that?
[00:09:07]  Of course not.
[00:09:08]  Because they don't, because BLM is at least at one time helpful.
[00:09:11]  But to the great credit of even some of these blue states that have some of the most restrictive charitable solicitation agreements, California being one of them, New Mexico, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Vermont, which we register in every state because we do a lot of direct mail.
[00:09:26]  We do a lot of stuff like that.
[00:09:27]  We know the scrutiny of this is these states are basically telling BLM, you're not allowed to fundraise anymore.
[00:09:33]  You cannot fundraise in our state.
[00:09:35]  What if the 90 million, 10 billion, whatever, we don't know because there's no audit financials.
[00:09:40]  What if that went to black charter schools?
[00:09:42]  What if that would have went towards helping fatherlessness in black communities?
[00:09:47]  Let's just focus on charter schools.
[00:09:49]  What if that would have been an infusion to build charter schools, hire better teachers, and get literacy rates?
[00:09:54]  That could have made a difference, actually.
[00:09:56]  How about black family centers?
[00:09:58]  How about like a ambitious boys and girls club Marshall Plan with that money?

=== Scrutiny Over BLM Funds (04:49) ===

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[00:10:04]  It's great.
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[00:10:06]  No, instead, it goes towards racial arson, literally, real estate buying sprees, and transgender groups.
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[00:11:26]  Okay, so here's where it gets interesting with the whole Black Lives Matter story.
[00:11:30]  So there are new filings from Black Lives Matter as they're scrambling to try to not be basically totally disintegrated in real time.
[00:11:40]  And who is the person that is the lawyer who is running Black Lives Matter?
[00:11:48]  Mark Elias.
[00:11:50]  Mark Elias and another longtime ally of Hillary Clinton has taken key roles in the charity amid scrutiny over its leadership and its finances.
[00:12:00]  Elias, who is known for his funding of the British ex-spy Christopher Steeles, Christopher Steel's discredited anti-Trump dossier while he served as the general counsel of Hillary Clinton's campaign.
[00:12:10]  And he also has been the number one guy for redistricting and lawsuits around all of it.
[00:12:17]  I mean, he is everywhere.
[00:12:19]  But Elias and his firm is now listed as one of the addresses and states in the short year 2024 990 that its books were now in the care of the Elias law group.
[00:12:30]  Additionally, Minion Moore, a longtime ally of Bill and Hillary Clinton, is now listed on the BLM board of directors in the charity filings.
[00:12:39]  Now, the most important part is when did they take over?
[00:12:42]  I mean, they're not stupid, so they probably took over recently after they kind of recognized all this quasi-illegal activity that is happening, allegedly illegal activity that's happening.
[00:12:53]  But Black Lives Matter filed a charitable organization registration early this month with the New Mexico Attorney General's office, listing addresses for BLM in Arizona, Oakland, California, but says BLM other addresses is the Elias Law Group.
[00:13:06]  So is he running Black Lives Matter now?
[00:13:08]  Hillary Clinton's the same guy that's being investigated for John Durham for funding the spying of a president in the White House is now running Black Lives Matter.
[00:13:16]  What is going on here?
[00:13:19]  The latest filings edition of the partisan lawyer Mark Elias confirms the group is more political than charitable, Scott Walter says.
[00:13:26]  But also suggests that finally some left-wing heavyweights have begun to deal with the embarrassing mess made by major activist groups the institutional left has failed to pardon the term police.
[00:13:37]  The National Black Lives Matter group pulled off an accounting maneuver that allowed it to delay reporting what it did with $60 million from 2020.
[00:13:45]  The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, the charity that serves as the face of the national BLM movement, quietly changed its 12-month accounting cycle to run from July to June, giving it until mid-May to report what it did with the millions that flooded its coffers beginning in the second half of 2020.
[00:14:00]  The new BLM filings in New Mexico also states that Minion Moore is his board member for BLM in California as a board member too.
[00:14:06]  Hillary Clinton's Onward Together Pact was reportedly incorporated by Elias in April of 2017.
[00:14:12]  Elias is listed as a governor for the Clinton Pact in a business filing as well.
[00:14:17]  So Elias is being investigated by John Durham for concocting this entire scheme.
[00:14:24]  He's suing on behalf of Stacey Abrams in Georgia, which now new evidence shows that there was a ballot harvesting trafficking scheme in the key battleground states.
[00:14:34]  And now Mark Elias assumes control of the Black Lives Matter network.
[00:14:40]  That doesn't make any sense.
[00:14:42]  What's really going on here?
[00:14:44]  Well, thankfully, we finally have some investigative journalists on the right that are going to get to the bottom of this because the mainstream media would be totally, they wouldn't be bothered by this.

=== Modern Day Watergate Scheme (12:16) ===

[00:14:52]  But also, what happened to the other $10 billion that these companies pledge?
[00:14:56]  Where did that money go?
[00:14:58]  Certainly didn't go to improve black lives.
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[00:16:28]  With us is a friend of mine who has a lot to say about the perfect lead up with Mark Elias and also Hillary Clinton's tweet last night.
[00:16:36]  Love having him on the show.
[00:16:37]  John Solomon from Just the News.
[00:16:39]  He has a new show that's doing very well on Real America's Voice.
[00:16:42]  John, welcome back.
[00:16:43]  Yeah, great to be with you, Charlie.
[00:16:45]  So, John, you're pretty fired up about this Hillary Clinton tweet.
[00:16:48]  Tell us about it.
[00:16:49]  Yeah, listen, at the end of the day, Hillary Clinton can call this a fake scandal, but her counsel, her lawyer from the campaign, is accused of lying to the FBI.
[00:16:58]  And if you go through the history of Hillary Clinton, let's go back to the 1990s when a lot of your audience was probably younger.
[00:17:04]  I was covering the same Hillary Clinton, and there was a grand jury subpoena out for her Rose law firm Billy Records.
[00:17:11]  They were essential to a criminal investigation known as Whitewater.
[00:17:14]  They couldn't be found for months and months, despite the efforts of the FBI.
[00:17:17]  One day, they just suddenly showed up in the White House residence.
[00:17:21]  And I think when you hear these things, you begin to realize there's a pattern and a disdain for the law that has been around for the Clinton machine for a long time.
[00:17:30]  And now they have one of their lawyers going to the FBI, according to John Durham's indictment, pitching dirt on Donald Trump that's not true.
[00:17:38]  We know it now to not be true.
[00:17:40]  It was a bogus allegation of Russia collusion, secret connection where he's apparently communicating with the Kremlin through a bank in Moscow.
[00:17:49]  The FBI, Robert Mueller, John Durham, Congress have all proven that wasn't true.
[00:17:54]  But they pitch it to the FBI, and the lawyer can't even tell the truth, according to the Durham, about why he's pitching it.
[00:18:00]  He says, I'm coming in as a good citizen concerned about national security.
[00:18:04]  He wasn't.
[00:18:05]  He was coming in because he was being paid by Hillary Clinton.
[00:18:07]  He was doing this on behalf of Hillary Clinton and one of her computer execs that were supporting him.
[00:18:12]  So it's a long history of lying.
[00:18:15]  Let's dive deeper into this.
[00:18:16]  So just so everyone knows the tweet yesterday, Hillary Clinton comes out and tweets, Trump and Fox are desperately spinning up a fake scandal to distract from his real ones.
[00:18:25]  So it's a day that ends in why.
[00:18:27]  The more his misdeeds are exposed, the more they lie.
[00:18:31]  For those interested in reality, here's a good debunking of their latest nonsense.
[00:18:35]  And I expected like a New York Times or Washington Post article.
[00:18:39]  No, Vanity Fair.
[00:18:41]  That is now the authority from Clinton World, Vanity Fair.
[00:18:45]  And it's written by some smug person, Bess Levin.
[00:18:49]  You'll never believe it, but Hillary Clinton did not, in fact, spy on Trump's White House.
[00:18:53]  In breaking news, Donald Trump remains a moron.
[00:18:57]  So we know that's not true, but walk us through what we do know, John.
[00:19:00]  You've been on top of this better than almost any other journalist, I have to say.
[00:19:05]  I'm curious, though, did you hear previously or did you know at all that Hillary Clinton was spying on the White House?
[00:19:14]  That to me was just so shocking to learn.
[00:19:17]  Yeah, it is.
[00:19:18]  And let's describe what there's been some misreporting.
[00:19:20]  So I also want to knock down so people really can understand.
[00:19:23]  They didn't break into the White House.
[00:19:25]  That's an inappropriate terminology to use.
[00:19:27]  There were White House logs of when computers talk to each other, they leave behind fingerprints on the internet called DNS logs.
[00:19:35]  These are not things that are public.
[00:19:36]  In fact, if the FBI wanted to get them, they would either have to issue a national security letter or a warrant, according to the many agents I've talked to over the last couple of days.
[00:19:44]  So, this is privacy-protected information because it shows who you're talking with and communicating with on your computer.
[00:19:50]  We have an assumption of privacy.
[00:19:52]  They went in and got these logs and looked at these logs for Donald Trump's home, for Donald Trump's corporate office at Trump Tower, and for the office of the presidency.
[00:20:01]  Now, we don't know the timeframe.
[00:20:02]  Was it the time when Obama was in?
[00:20:04]  Was it the time Trump was in?
[00:20:06]  The court filing is ambiguous, so we shouldn't make an assumption.
[00:20:09]  But no matter who was president, the idea that some Hillary Clinton researchers are going to go in and access these logs, and it's important to describe how they access them.
[00:20:18]  They had a federal contract, somebody's computer, and according to the word that the prosecutors use, they exploited.
[00:20:23]  They misused their access to spy on Donald Trump so they could find, according, these are the words the prosecutors use, derogatory information on Donald Trump.
[00:20:32]  They were using, misusing a federal contract to dig for dirt on Donald Trump.
[00:20:37]  And it turns out that that dirt was false, inappropriate.
[00:20:41]  It is spying.
[00:20:41]  It's not breaking in, but it is spying.
[00:20:44]  And it is of a scandal magnitude.
[00:20:46]  I think it's sort of a modern day Watergate.
[00:20:49]  You're taking information.
[00:20:51]  It turns out to be false.
[00:20:52]  You're misusing your access.
[00:20:54]  And then you're giving it to the FBI and the CIA and trying to get a bogus investigation started of your political opponent.
[00:21:00]  I don't know how any Americans can feel good about that.
[00:21:03]  It doesn't matter whether there's an R or D next to the name.
[00:21:06]  It's just wrong to be doing that in American society.
[00:21:08]  So some people speculate that the intelligence agencies might have been in on this.
[00:21:12]  Do you think there's any credence to that argument?
[00:21:15]  I don't.
[00:21:15]  And let me tell you why.
[00:21:16]  I mean, listen, I think the federal contracts involve intelligence agencies.
[00:21:20]  So it's possible these contractors were using the authority that they had under the contracts.
[00:21:24]  But if you look at the CIA, for instance, for a lot of people, the big revelation was, oh, Michael Sussman, the lawyer, went to the CIA.
[00:21:33]  I broke that story a couple years ago.
[00:21:34]  So I've known about that for two years ago.
[00:21:36]  But in February of 2017, four months after Hillary's already lost, her people are still pitching bogus stories.
[00:21:42]  The CIA and the FBI did the right thing.
[00:21:44]  They looked at the information and said, you know what?
[00:21:46]  This is garbage.
[00:21:47]  We know what this is.
[00:21:48]  This is marketing pings.
[00:21:49]  It's not a secret communications channel.
[00:21:52]  And they dropped that line of inquiry very quickly.
[00:21:56]  Like I know in October 2016, the FBI had already ruled it out.
[00:22:00]  They've told me that.
[00:22:01]  So the intelligence agencies get this garbage.
[00:22:03]  They immediately rule it out and they drop it.
[00:22:06]  And then they just keep persisting at it.
[00:22:08]  One of the things you see in the Russia scandal is every time a person in authority decided that what Hillary Clinton was pitching was garbage, they just went somewhere else.
[00:22:18]  So Christopher Steele starts at the London FBI.
[00:22:20]  He gets turned down there.
[00:22:21]  He comes to Bruce Orr in Washington.
[00:22:23]  He gets it inside the FBI here.
[00:22:24]  The FBI fires his tail because he's leaking and abusing his right as a confidential human source.
[00:22:32]  They fire him.
[00:22:33]  Then all of a sudden, the Clinton campaign starts another line.
[00:22:35]  Well, Michael Sussman, former justice official, he's going to go to the FBI.
[00:22:39]  The FBI doesn't like what he has.
[00:22:40]  Then they skip there and they go to the CIA.
[00:22:43]  This was a relentless effort to push false information on the U.S. government in hopes that Donald Trump would be investigated.
[00:22:51]  That is something we shouldn't do, even in a political dirty trick.
[00:22:54]  No, I mean, never.
[00:22:56]  Of course not.
[00:22:56]  And I really hope that people will be held accountable.
[00:22:59]  What was Mark Elias' role in all this?
[00:23:01]  He keeps on popping up in a variety of different ways, redistricting.
[00:23:04]  He's now running Black Lives Matter.
[00:23:05]  It's super weird.
[00:23:06]  What was his role in all of this?
[00:23:08]  Yeah, listen, he's a super lawyer in the Democratic Party.
[00:23:11]  He has lots of different connections to things.
[00:23:13]  In 2020, he was the guy trying to change the election rules.
[00:23:16]  He wrote many memos.
[00:23:17]  So he's integral to all of the Democratic Party's things.
[00:23:20]  And in 2016, he's the general counsel for the Clearly Clinton campaign working at Perkins Cooey.
[00:23:27]  He's the guy in his law firm that hires Christopher Steele for the dirty dossier.
[00:23:31]  And he's the guy that is a supervisor for Sussman and in some way involved supervising this project where Sussman ultimately goes and goes to the FBI and dumps it and then goes to the CIA and dumps this false story.
[00:23:43]  We now know it to be totally bogus story that there was a Alpha Bank server and Donald Trump could pick up a secret computer line and talk to Vladimir Putin about how they were going to hijack the election.
[00:23:54]  It didn't happen.
[00:23:55]  One of the great moments in Bob Mueller's terrible testimony day, if everyone remembers when Mueller testified, he looked very disheveled and disoriented for most of it.
[00:24:03]  The one time he had an incredible amount of clarity.
[00:24:05]  He was asked, hey, this Alpha Bank thing, what do you think of it?
[00:24:08]  And he said, it was never true, never true.
[00:24:11]  So this has been debunked over and over again.
[00:24:13]  And Hillary Clinton's people just keep doubling down on falsehoods.
[00:24:16]  And if prosecutor Durham and his team prove this case, and I should note, breaking news, just a few minutes ago, Michael Sussman filed a motion asking for the charges against him to be dismissed.
[00:24:28]  We'll see what happens.
[00:24:29]  But if this gets to trial and he gets convicted, the headline for history for Hillary Clinton is going to be, the Hillary Clinton campaign spied on Donald Trump, and then they lied about it.
[00:24:40]  They spied and they lied.
[00:24:41]  That will be her legacy in the history books for America.
[00:24:44]  Yeah, how high do you think it's going to go?
[00:24:45]  Jake Sullivan, how implicated is he in this?
[00:24:49]  Listen, everybody we know had a role.
[00:24:52]  We know Mrs. Clinton was informed a couple of times.
[00:24:54]  We know there's an intercept that the FBI got from the CIA saying that she approved this whole plan to come up with a bogus story, a contrived story about Donald Trump and feed it to her because her motive was to get the attention off the scandal she had with emails.
[00:25:08]  She's in the know.
[00:25:09]  How much?
[00:25:09]  Does she know every little detail?
[00:25:10]  Probably not.
[00:25:12]  Does Jake Sullivan's in the know because he's out tweeting this bad story in October of 2016?
[00:25:17]  Were they read into every aspect?
[00:25:19]  Are they told that people are looking at the DNS logs?
[00:25:22]  Probably not at that level.
[00:25:23]  You probably get a much broader, simpler, boiled-down version.
[00:25:27]  But the fact of the matter is responsibility stops with the top of the campaign.
[00:25:31]  Hillary Clinton can laugh and call this a fake story.
[00:25:34]  It's not, and it starts with her, and then it goes to her campaign chairman, John Podesta, and then to people like Jake Sullivan.
[00:25:40]  I interviewed Dan Hoffman, the former CIA station chief for Barack Obama in Moscow, our best Russia guy.
[00:25:47]  And he said he could not believe Jake Sullivan tweeted this out in October 2016 without looking at it more seriously.
[00:25:53]  People like Jake Sullivan have authority.
[00:25:55]  They should check their facts before they pander a story.
[00:25:58]  And he really dug into him.
[00:25:59]  And this is a guy that's, you know, sort of nonpartisan.
[00:26:02]  I think those are fair criticisms of Hillary Clinton, Jake, and others around him.
[00:26:07]  Jake Sullivan and John Podesta, they were peddling something we now know was false and consumed the American public for three years and really harmed the Donald Trump presidency unfairly.
[00:26:17]  So something I want to ask you about, John, you covered this extensively as well, is this infamous White House meeting.
[00:26:22]  I think it was like January 7th or 8th in 2017.
[00:26:25]  It was the lame dock a couple weeks before.
[00:26:27]  You know what meeting I'm talking about, where it was a multi-hour meeting in the White House.
[00:26:32]  Is that connected to this at all?
[00:26:34]  Because we do know that there were some decisions that were made.
[00:26:37]  It was an all-hands-on-deck meeting, which was very rare for the White House at that time.
[00:26:41]  When you look at this, by January of 2017, a lot of people know that the Christopher Steele dossier, which was one of their first firing attempts at Trump, it failed, right?
[00:26:51]  The FBI wasn't that fond of it.
[00:26:53]  It was falling apart.
[00:26:54]  People were disowning it.
[00:26:56]  The George Papadopoulos allegations had been rolled out because an informant interviewed him and Papadopoulos said, we weren't trying to hack Hillary Clinton's emails.
[00:27:03]  That's not true.
[00:27:04]  So a lot of the early dirt that Hillary Clinton threw at the Trump campaign had fallen apart.

=== Is That The FBI We Want (07:15) ===

[00:27:08]  So they were pivoting.
[00:27:09]  What will still stick?
[00:27:10]  What can we still go after?
[00:27:12]  And in that January timeframe, they're talking about pivoting from Papadopoulos and Carter Page and Christopher Steele's now discredited dossier to, we're going to focus on Mike Flynn.
[00:27:22]  Let's go get Mike Flynn.
[00:27:24]  And it's not long after that meeting where they're talking about Flynn that the famous leak of a highly classified transcript is put into the Washington Post, a terrible intelligence leak.
[00:27:35]  And they just keep pivoting because what they were doing was they were looking for anything that would stick on Donald Trump.
[00:27:40]  were desperate to find some shingle of a Russia scandal and hang it on Donald Trump's roof.
[00:27:45]  And it didn't matter who was involved or whether it was true.
[00:27:48]  They were looking for something to stick.
[00:27:50]  And they were willing to do a full court press.
[00:27:52]  Michael Flynn was entrapped before Trump was sworn in.
[00:27:55]  And that we know that that was discussed.
[00:27:57]  They hated Flynn.
[00:27:57]  Obama hated Flynn for years.
[00:27:59]  And that was easy.
[00:28:00]  And they deployed Strzok to do that.
[00:28:03]  It was a setup.
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[00:29:10]  There's another component of this that I don't think people are talking about, which is the Peter Struck Lisa page of this component, which is going back into that summer, because their text messages are really revealing.
[00:29:19]  And the question is, was this part of the insurance plan of this DNS thing and the tech firm?
[00:29:25]  How much was the FBI really involved in it from coaching the Clinton campaign?
[00:29:31]  I'm interested in that.
[00:29:32]  Maybe we don't know.
[00:29:32]  So is that a separate track on all this or is this related?
[00:29:36]  That's where I'm a little uncertain.
[00:29:38]  Suspended.
[00:29:39]  There are two pots for the investigation.
[00:29:41]  One is, were the Clinton people knowingly and willingly feeding false information, misleading information, lying about their intentions to the FBI, the CIA?
[00:29:49]  That's the pot that gets Michael Sussman in trouble.
[00:29:52]  It's the pot that gets Christopher Steele's primary source, Igor Danchenko, in trouble.
[00:29:56]  So the Clinton part of crafting a false story and feeding it into the government.
[00:30:01]  The second pot is, did the FBI have reason to know that what it was receiving was bad information?
[00:30:07]  And did they hide the fact, the weaknesses, the failures, the falsity of their case as they went about and got four consecutive FISA warrants to spy in people like Carter Page?
[00:30:17]  And so there's been one indictment there of a lawyer who falsified a document, an FBI lawyer, changing the meaning of a document to keep the cover-up going.
[00:30:25]  There are many others in the FBI still under investigation.
[00:30:27]  That's the second bucket.
[00:30:29]  What do we know now that we didn't know a year or two ago before Donald Trump left office?
[00:30:33]  Probably the most damning thing we know, thanks to John Ratcliffe, the former DNI, is that starting in July, the President of the United States, Barack Obama, July 2016, he's told we have an intercept that Hillary Clinton has approved a plan.
[00:30:46]  In fact, there's an intercept of a foreign policy advisor to Hillary Clinton campaign.
[00:30:51]  We believe that may be Jake Sullivan talking to someone overseas.
[00:30:54]  It's been intercepted.
[00:30:55]  And it says that Hillary Clinton has approved a plan to come up with a bogus story and stick it on Donald Trump that he's got a Russia problem to get the public attention off of her email scandal.
[00:31:08]  So the president of the United States, Barack Obama, is told that from the CIA director in July.
[00:31:12]  In September, the FBI gets the same information.
[00:31:15]  The CIA writes a memo, very rare for the CIA to do this.
[00:31:19]  Hey, guys at FBI, it looks like you're looking at Donald Trump.
[00:31:21]  Please know he got an intercept that Hillary Clinton is trying to concoct a story.
[00:31:26]  Be on your lookout.
[00:31:27]  I forgot about that.
[00:31:28]  Wow.
[00:31:28]  That's such an important memo.
[00:31:30]  And then all through the fall, they're telling the FBI, hey, that guy, Carter Page, that you think's a stooge for Russia, he's one of our guys.
[00:31:37]  Hey, that Christopher Steele, you think, is a good source?
[00:31:40]  We think you should re-vet him.
[00:31:41]  He's been infiltrated by Russian oligarchs.
[00:31:44]  25, 30 warning signs from July 2016 to March of 2017 that I've chronicled, and the FBI blew past every one of them, hid it from the FISA court.
[00:31:56]  And I think people are going to have to judge.
[00:31:57]  Is that the sort of FBI we want?
[00:31:59]  I think the Comey McCabe years of the FBI are going to be a shameful period in FBI's history.
[00:32:04]  So, and the final question here, John, this might be a technical question.
[00:32:07]  So, there's some criticism going towards Durham that he filed this two days after the statute of most federal limitations.
[00:32:15]  Did you see this happen or not?
[00:32:18]  Do you think there's anything to that?
[00:32:20]  Or do you think that, because at times they can extend the statute of limitations?
[00:32:24]  Yeah, there's two ways to do that, right?
[00:32:26]  There's a tolling agreement.
[00:32:27]  You sit with your defendants and say, we are going to indict you now, but if you work with us and negotiate, maybe we won't.
[00:32:32]  And you get a tolling agreement.
[00:32:34]  None of the Clinton people are going to agree to a tolling agreement.
[00:32:36]  So just take that off the table.
[00:32:37]  The second way is when a statute for a specific crime expires, you can extend the statute if you allege that there's a conspiracy, a racketarian conspiracy.
[00:32:46]  And I believe what John Durham is beginning to let out in these court documents.
[00:32:50]  These are experts I'm talking to, former FBI agents and prosecutors.
[00:32:54]  They believe there's a conspiracy case being built, which can extend the statute to an unlimited amount of time.
[00:33:00]  Multiple people working together to concoct a false story, feed the false story to the government, and then the government take the false story and feed it to the courts and Congress.
[00:33:09]  And I think a lot of people believe they're pursuing a conspiracy case, in which case the statute of limitations on any specific event gets extended to the last event of a conspiracy.
[00:33:19]  Right.
[00:33:19]  So there might not be something to that.
[00:33:21]  There were some people online that were like, oh, he did it just to kind of leak the information, but the statute's there.
[00:33:27]  I don't buy that.
[00:33:28]  That would be strategically stupid.
[00:33:30]  And he seems to be really focused on justice here.
[00:33:35]  And I agree.
[00:33:36]  I know a lot of people criticize Bill Barr, and I get it, but Bill Barr put Durham in this position because I think Barr was presented with this evidence.
[00:33:44]  And he realized no matter who's going to be president, this has to play itself out.
[00:33:48]  And I'm more optimistic on the Durham thing than I was a month ago or two months ago.
[00:33:53]  Justthennews.com.
[00:33:54]  John, you do amazing work.
[00:33:56]  Please come back soon.
[00:33:56]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:33:57]  Anytime.
[00:33:58]  Talk to you soon.
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