The Charlie Kirk Show - James O'Keefe + Devin Nunes—EXPOSING the FDA, Durham's Next Move, and Truth Social's Debut
Aired: 2022-02-17
Duration: 34:06


=== James O'Keefe FDA Bombshell (14:37) ===

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[00:01:22]  Momentarily, we will be joined by the great James O'Keefe from Project Veritas.com.
[00:01:28]  Let's play Cut 63.
[00:01:29]  FDA executive officer Christopher Cole on Hidden Camera saying you're going to have to get an annual COVID shot, Cut 63.
[00:01:36]  Biden wants to inoculate as many people as possible.
[00:01:39]  So you have to get an annual shot.
[00:01:41]  I mean, it has to formally announce it.
[00:01:44]  So you don't want to like violate the drug companies, the food companies, the vaccine companies.
[00:01:51]  They pay us hundreds of millions of dollars a year to hire and keep the reviewers to approve their products.
[00:01:58]  If they can get every person required an annual vaccine, that is a recurring return of money.
[00:02:07]  This is a big video from James O'Keefe.
[00:02:09]  This one's not getting as much traction as others, and it just seems as if he's doing so many of these videos, it's hard to even comprehend how he gets them.
[00:02:19]  But this is Christopher Cole, who is the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration.
[00:02:26]  He's the guy that's in charge of approving vaccines or drugs.
[00:02:32]  Now, the part that's getting some of the headlines is that you'll have to get your annual shot.
[00:02:36]  Okay.
[00:02:37]  That's not very revealing, but the part to hear him actually say out loud and be so forthright about is like, yeah, this is how the companies make their money.
[00:02:49]  It's basically an annuity.
[00:02:51]  If they're able to mandate annual vaccinations, they're able to build their profit models off of that.
[00:02:58]  Let's go to Cut 64.
[00:03:00]  Christopher Cole continues to explain how the annual COVID vaccine will gradually be pushed to the public.
[00:03:06]  Cut 64.
[00:03:07]  I think what's going to happen is it's going to be a gradual thing.
[00:03:11]  School's going to mandate it.
[00:03:12]  Why do they need the third one?
[00:03:14]  For the same reason that you or I would be the third one.
[00:03:17]  So the tree will bolster your system.
[00:03:20]  And then there will be an annual, eventually an annual, just like the flu shot.
[00:03:24]  For the toddlers?
[00:03:26]  Well, for everyone.
[00:03:27]  I don't completely agree with their process.
[00:03:32]  What do you mean you don't agree with the process?
[00:03:34]  Well, I mean, they don't have all the tests aren't there.
[00:03:38]  So I agree with the thing that it is important to inoculate them, but you can't provide the parent as much assurance as you normally want to.
[00:03:49]  Did you hear that?
[00:03:50]  That's the FDA executive director talking about vaccines for children, saying he doesn't agree with the FDA's process because they don't do all the necessary tests.
[00:04:00]  So you cannot guarantee safety as much as you usually want to.
[00:04:06]  That's the head of the FDA.
[00:04:08]  It's the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration saying you get the annual shot.
[00:04:17]  They're going to make a bunch of money off of it.
[00:04:20]  It'll be gradually pushed on the public.
[00:04:23]  I don't agree with how the FDA is doing this because they don't do all the tests correctly because you can't guarantee safety.
[00:04:31]  Wait, are you trying to say that the emergency youth authorization done with this vaccine has been completely safe and effective?
[00:04:38]  Everything that we've been saying this entire time, and guess what?
[00:04:40]  We're free to say it because we're on rumble.com right now.
[00:04:43]  So I'm not on YouTube.
[00:04:44]  So I can talk openly about this.
[00:04:46]  Play cut 65, Christopher Cole says how the approval process for emergency use is less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not a risk for the young age groups because it's under COVID.
[00:04:59]  They're able to because it's under the emergency approval process.
[00:05:04]  I just want to stop.
[00:05:05]  I want to give our team credit, our whole research team.
[00:05:09]  We have been saying this for months and slandered by the dishonest hacks in the media for spewing anti-vaccine propaganda for saying what now the FDA executive director is saying on private camera.
[00:05:26]  Play cut 65.
[00:05:27]  It's an EUA for all age groups, all designations, and then you have to get approved by specific age groups based on the study.
[00:05:37]  Do you think it's really an emergency for the toddlers?
[00:05:40]  Well, they're all approved under an emergency.
[00:05:43]  The efficacy data doesn't have to be as high.
[00:05:46]  Yeah.
[00:05:47]  His standard is on emergency use authorizations is that it does more benefit than harm.
[00:05:53]  I thought their cases weren't that high for six-month four-year-olds.
[00:05:56]  They're not, but because it's related to COVID, it's under that approval process.
[00:06:02]  Now, I know what you're thinking.
[00:06:04]  How does James O'Keefe keep on getting these guys on camera, CNN, Pfizer, and all this?
[00:06:10]  Well, if you were listening to that video carefully, I don't think you should be that surprised.
[00:06:16]  That was probably an attractive woman working for Project Veritas in a, let's say, alcohol-filled environment going out to dinner with an aging old man in power.
[00:06:30]  It's like James O'Keefe read the KGB playbook.
[00:06:34]  And honestly, I love it.
[00:06:35]  What this individual said very clearly, the FDA, Christopher Cole was his name, was he said the approval process for emergency use is much less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not even a risk.
[00:06:50]  So if you put together these three tapes, these bombshell tapes from James O'Keefe, and he says you're going to have to get your annual shot.
[00:06:57]  They're only doing it to try to make money.
[00:07:00]  He says the annual COVID vaccine will be gradually pushed upon the public.
[00:07:04]  By the way, let me just pause.
[00:07:05]  This is not some sort of desk worker or kind of paperwork guy.
[00:07:09]  This is the executive director of the Food and Drug Administration.
[00:07:15]  This is the top.
[00:07:16]  This is the head of the entire FDA, executive director.
[00:07:21]  He then goes on to say that: look, I don't agree with the tests we're doing.
[00:07:25]  Oh, really?
[00:07:26]  Who then does the test at the FDA if the executive director doesn't agree with them?
[00:07:30]  Who is overriding the executive director?
[00:07:33]  This is like Church and Pike Committee type stuff that we could start around FDA approvals and pharmaceutical influence.
[00:07:41]  Christopher Cole on the approval process says that the emergency use is much less stringent, and he admits that COVID is not a risk for the young age groups, but because it's under COVID, they're able to do it because it's under the EUA, the emergency use authorization.
[00:07:58]  I remember when we did a whole segment on what an EUA was, emergency use authorization, and we were slandered and we were attacked, saying, There's no difference.
[00:08:07]  This thing is not under EUA.
[00:08:09]  It's actually better that it's like this.
[00:08:11]  Sit down and shut up.
[00:08:12]  You should be really thankful that it's this way.
[00:08:15]  Now, they're saying out loud the exact same thing we've been warning against the whole time.
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[00:09:42]  We are here with the great James O'Keefe Project Veritas.
[00:09:46]  Project Veritas.com is where you can support him.
[00:09:49]  James, we played the videos before.
[00:09:51]  Congratulations on another great drop.
[00:09:53]  The floor is yours.
[00:09:54]  Walk us through it.
[00:09:55]  Thanks, Charlie.
[00:09:56]  It's great to be with you.
[00:09:56]  This is an FDA executive officer on Hidden Camera revealing these things that do not shock us, but confirm suspicions, saying, quote, you'll have to get an annual shot.
[00:10:07]  Biden wants to inoculate as many people as possible.
[00:10:11]  They're not going to not approve the emergency authorization for toddlers with these COVID shots.
[00:10:17]  And this is Christopher Cole not knowing he was being recorded in a restaurant at the FDA.
[00:10:24]  Now, Charlie, the FDA has issued us a statement, which is one of the first times we've ever gotten a statement from a federal agency, which should tell you something.
[00:10:33]  They're taking this quite seriously to give me an on-the-record statement.
[00:10:36]  And that statement reads: the person purportedly in the video, they're saying he's purportedly in the video, not in the video, does not work on vaccine matters and does not represent the views of the FDA.
[00:10:50]  Now, I went back to Christopher Cole, and we'll see a video on this here momentarily, actually.
[00:10:55]  We're going to publish any minute now.
[00:10:57]  The 35-minute conversation I had with him, where he said he did work on emergency authorizations of the vaccine.
[00:11:04]  So, and we have a part two coming out this evening, Charlie.
[00:11:08]  But this is the Food and Drug Administration executive officer caught on tape saying that it's a fountain of revenue.
[00:11:16]  They give us the money and we rubber stamp what's going on with these big pharmaceutical companies.
[00:11:22]  I mean, we can see why James O'Keefe was targeted by the Southern District of New York.
[00:11:27]  You're getting right at the source of all this.
[00:11:29]  So, James, I have to just ask: how did you get this?
[00:11:32]  Are you able to reveal how you got this video?
[00:11:35]  The circumstance, the scenario of it?
[00:11:37]  I'm just curious.
[00:11:38]  It's so interesting.
[00:11:39]  Well, we met with this man four or five times.
[00:11:43]  He knew that he was meeting with someone.
[00:11:45]  He did not know he was meeting with a journalist.
[00:11:48]  And when I spoke to him on the phone, you'll see this come out again momentarily.
[00:11:53]  He said, well, I didn't know I was being recorded.
[00:11:56]  I was speaking privately.
[00:11:57]  You're in a public place, sir.
[00:11:59]  You're in a restaurant with people overhearing you.
[00:12:03]  And you were divulging all these things about the FDA to basically a stranger that you just met.
[00:12:11]  That stranger works for Project Veritas.
[00:12:13]  So, and you mentioned in Vino Veritas, he was drinking.
[00:12:17]  Well, I mean, we have hours of tape.
[00:12:19]  So in much of this tape, he's not drinking at all.
[00:12:22]  He's actually one of the most well-spoken, straightforward guys.
[00:12:26]  He said to me, Well, you know, I misspoke.
[00:12:28]  And I said, Which part?
[00:12:29]  What did you misspeak about?
[00:12:31]  And actually, I tried to recruit him to be an on-the-record whistleblower.
[00:12:35]  So, yeah, we go undercover.
[00:12:38]  Sometimes we obtain meetings with people using an element of pretense, but he knew he was being interviewed.
[00:12:45]  He just didn't know he was talking to a journalist.
[00:12:48]  No, and I didn't mean the alcohol thing negative.
[00:12:50]  I think it actually lends credibility to your argument.
[00:12:54]  It makes people open up.
[00:12:55]  It makes them be more honest.
[00:12:56]  I think it's brilliant.
[00:12:57]  How can people support you, James?
[00:12:59]  You keep on hitting grand slams.
[00:13:01]  Talk about just some of the body of work you've done in this topic and how people can get behind you and amplify this message.
[00:13:07]  Well, the first thing they should do is download the clip from our Telegram page and upload it into your Twitter and Instagram.
[00:13:14]  This video, Charlie, had over a million views on Twitter and it was taken down.
[00:13:18]  Now, why are they banning videos featuring their beloved federal government people talking?
[00:13:25]  Aren't we supposed to trust the experts?
[00:13:26]  This guy's an expert.
[00:13:28]  He's an executive officer at the FDA.
[00:13:31]  So they're saying, well, misinformation.
[00:13:32]  Well, which part?
[00:13:33]  I'm quoting the FDA.
[00:13:35]  It's like, well, I'm quoting the CDC.
[00:13:37]  Are they going to take it down for misinformation?
[00:13:39]  This is, you can see this guy's lips moving.
[00:13:41]  He's the one saying this, not me.
[00:13:44]  So I think what we want you to do to support Project Veritas, so to speak, is just to broadcast this video and upload it into your story and your post on Instagram and your Twitter.
[00:13:56]  Because we have a part two coming, and this one is a doozy.
[00:13:59]  He's talking all about the gravy train, the money coming up, the fountain of revenue, to quote his words.
[00:14:04]  That's coming out at seven o'clock tonight, Charlie.
[00:14:06]  So please share these videos.
[00:14:08]  I think it's terrific.
[00:14:09]  James, you keep on going places that no other journalist is able to get done.
[00:14:14]  It's really some of the most important work being done for the freedom movement and pro-American movement.
[00:14:18]  It's not even political.
[00:14:19]  It's not, there's nothing.
[00:14:21]  There should be nothing political about the FDA.
[00:14:23]  It doesn't mention Republican or Democrat.
[00:14:24]  It's just talking about, oh, yeah, we have a fountain of revenue and we want kids to get vaccinated.
[00:14:28]  It's disgusting.
[00:14:29]  And you've done a great job, James, of uncovering it.
[00:14:32]  You can come on anytime to talk about that.
[00:14:34]  And everyone, go check out James's book, American Muckraker.

=== Ramp Up Project Veritas (12:52) ===

[00:14:37]  It's terrific.
[00:14:38]  James, thank you so much for joining us.
[00:14:39]  Sorry I had to be so short.
[00:14:40]  Thank you, Charlie.
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[00:16:05]  Finally, we have a response.
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[00:16:18]  And I'm so excited to have with us the man behind it, who is a phenomenal congressman and will make an even better CEO, the man behind Truth Social, which will be Donald Trump's new social media app for all people that want free speech online.
[00:16:32]  Devin, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:16:34]  Charlie, it's great to be with you.
[00:16:35]  It's such an honor and so timely because, as you know, we are bringing people on as quickly as possible.
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[00:17:07]  Walk us through just the philosophy, the technology, all of it.
[00:17:10]  And it's pretty impressive how quickly you guys have been able to get this up.
[00:17:14]  And it's so sorely needed, especially ahead of the midterms.
[00:17:16]  And I think it could be a really valuable company in this space.
[00:17:19]  Walk us through all that.
[00:17:21]  Well, the main thing that I like to say is we just want to make sure that we have quality and we have sustainability, meaning that, you know, it's impossible to have the hundreds of millions of investment and now billions of investment that have went into Facebook platforms, or I guess they call themselves meta, whatever the hell that means now.
[00:17:40]  And then, of course, you have Twitter and some of the other social media giants.
[00:17:44]  So we just have to make sure that it's a simple platform that everyone can use.
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[00:18:03]  So we've really built, you know, all of the software is our own for the most part.
[00:18:10]  Then we've got Rumble, which is a video alternative to YouTube.
[00:18:16]  They're also trying to get into the Amazon web service space.
[00:18:20]  So we're essentially riding on their rails for both video and cloud hosting.
[00:18:25]  And then we've got a few other partners, but that's essentially, we're trying to limit kind of those single points of failure where big tech could take us down.
[00:18:34]  So luckily right now, we are working with Apple.
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[00:18:48]  Don't censor anyone for political debate and free speech.
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[00:19:13]  And we're actually streaming this conversation exclusively on Rumble right now.
[00:19:18]  Just wondering where we went.
[00:19:20]  Yeah, sorry.
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[00:19:28]  So, Devin, some people are a little concerned, though.
[00:19:31]  I am not one of those people, but some people have messaged me.
[00:19:34]  They said, hey, family-friendly, is that code that you're going to be censoring things?
[00:19:38]  Can you walk us through that and put some people's minds at ease?
[00:19:42]  Well, we're just not a home for there's things that are illegal in this country in some states, right?
[00:19:47]  And so you have to have, you know, we have to have some type of this is not going to be a free-for-all because ultimately, you know, we would be responsible potentially, right?
[00:19:56]  For if something goes wrong.
[00:19:59]  So, you know, for example, I mean, there's laws on the books that are illegal and we're going to follow the law.
[00:20:05]  So, you know, we're going to open it up as much as possible.
[00:20:08]  But look, let's just talk about what do people really care about, right?
[00:20:11]  That is that if you want to talk about the election, you're not going to be censored.
[00:20:15]  If you want to talk about Hunter Biden laptop story, you're not going to be censored.
[00:20:21]  If you want to talk about whether you love vaccines, hate vaccines, the freedom truckers in Canada, you know, all of those things are going to be 100% fully allowed.
[00:20:32]  So, you know, we will, as you know, as we want to make the user experience as best as possible, and we're going to strive to do that.
[00:20:40]  So, look, it'll be a work in progress, right?
[00:20:42]  This is a new company.
[00:20:44]  We don't have the experience that a Twitter and a Facebook have, although we do know by watching them how horrible they are.
[00:20:52]  So, there's a lot of things that we don't want to do, but we want to try to do everything right so that we don't end up in a place where people are uncomfortable on the platform.
[00:21:01]  So, it's really all about our customers and our users, and that's what we're going to focus on.
[00:21:05]  And so, I hope that one of the things that people have to understand because we built this from the ground up, you know, this is not going, this is not an easy task.
[00:21:14]  So, you know, we are going to have pitfalls that we haven't seen.
[00:21:18]  We're going to have people trying to attack us.
[00:21:20]  We're going to have people trying to take us down, you know, from the big tech companies to the hard, extreme left to probably, you know, foreign actors are all going to try to take us down.
[00:21:30]  Because, look, let's face it, this is, you know, President Trump got put in a position where he had no other choice but to go out and build his own platform, right?
[00:21:40]  And I decided to leave Congress because I thought it was so important for the American people to have the internet open back up.
[00:21:47]  And that's what I'm charged to lead by President Trump.
[00:21:49]  And that's what I'm going to do.
[00:21:51]  And so the goal here is to get up, stay up as best as we can, welcome everybody onto the platform, which we which we are currently doing.
[00:21:59]  So it's, I hope that people will give us some, give us a little bit of slack here and just be, you know, and just try to help us.
[00:22:07]  If you have recommendations, things that you don't like, just tell us and we'll see if we can make changes.
[00:22:12]  Well, yeah, totally.
[00:22:13]  And I tell people, look, you don't want it to be 4chan, which is just a cesspool of garbage.
[00:22:18]  And Twitter allows outright pornography.
[00:22:21]  That's not good for anybody, right?
[00:22:23]  And really, the main censorship debate that we've had on the right has not been around like, oh, whether or not to allow pornography, that's disgusting.
[00:22:32]  It's why are you censoring people for ideas you don't like or for trying to challenge orthodoxies like around COVID or stuff like that?
[00:22:40]  That's always been the main focus of this.
[00:22:43]  And they'd love to kind of get our eyes off of that.
[00:22:45]  I think you're going to do a great job, Devin, on that.
[00:22:48]  So I want to talk to you about Durham and Spygate.
[00:22:50]  You more than any other member of Congress was you were on top of this thing from day one.
[00:22:55]  You were on top of the unmasking scandal and all of it.
[00:22:58]  I know you can't reveal confidential information and all this, but I was shocked to learn based on Durham's filing that there was back-end access into the White House while Trump was still president.
[00:23:10]  Walk us through that.
[00:23:12]  Maybe you knew about this years ago.
[00:23:14]  If you did, you deserve like a parade for not leaking that and actually being an ethical person.
[00:23:20]  So I guess my question is, did you know about it?
[00:23:21]  And what's your reaction to it?
[00:23:22]  No, I mean, look, if we would have known about this, we would have blown this sky high, right?
[00:23:26]  I mean, what we did is when we figured out, it took us a long time once we figured out that they were running spies into the campaign, when they were lying to a FISA court, when they were using a FISA to spy on the Trump campaign.
[00:23:39]  You know, if you recall, going back to 2017, it was very difficult, right?
[00:23:44]  Because you had the Moeller investigation that was completely fraudulent, made up of a bunch of political hacks that, by the way, I said this morning on Fox, they need to be investigated here also for all the shenanigans that they pulled.
[00:23:56]  But we had to follow the laws because they were looking for anything and everything they could do to shut down our investigation.
[00:24:03]  And so, you know, it took us almost six, seven months to bring all of that out into the open.
[00:24:09]  You may recall that we put that memo out in early 2018 so that all the world could know that this spying had occurred.
[00:24:17]  So clearly, Charlie, had I known that they were scraping information, not just from Trump's apartment, Trump Tower, some healthcare company who we still need to learn more about, but then penetrated the Oval Office is quite frankly, this is a major, major.
[00:24:40]  There's nothing like this in modern history.
[00:24:44]  The White House communication systems are supposed to be the strongest and most secure in the world.
[00:24:51]  And the fact that you could have somebody properly placed that would be able to access that and grab internet data and then share that data with political opponents is crap that you would only see in communist China.
[00:25:04]  So I was floored by this Friday night as we started to go through it when this was released.
[00:25:10]  And I think a lot of us are still grappling with this, that this happened.
[00:25:17]  It's just shocking.
[00:25:19]  I mean, it's totally shocking.
[00:25:21]  And I mean, this is already the greatest political scandal in American history.
[00:25:25]  It just got a lot worse.
[00:25:26]  The media will not be bothered by it at all.
[00:25:28]  They're too busy talking about, I don't know, how many genders there are or whatever the New York Times is investigating.
[00:25:35]  What is Durham's plan?
[00:25:37]  How much do you know about that?
[00:25:39]  Who could possibly be implicated?
[00:25:41]  And then talk briefly about Jake Sullivan's involvement.
[00:25:45]  So, well, let me take that question first.
[00:25:47]  So, one of the interesting things here, if you go through and look at the folks that were in the Obama administration and on the Hill and then subsequently later put on the Hillary campaign, all of those people essentially failed up.
[00:26:02]  Most of those people that were involved in the P-TAP hoax, spreading the Russian, the so-called steel dossier, spreading that around, are all in senior level positions in the Biden White House.
[00:26:17]  And so, you know, that I think is of interest, right?
[00:26:21]  So these people knew about all this.
[00:26:24]  They knew what they were doing was not only unethical, but likely illegal in many ways.
[00:26:29]  They would continue to push this, frame a presidential candidate, later frame President of the United States.
[00:26:36]  And they're all in high-level positions in the Obama or in Obama, which I might as well, it probably is basically the Obama White House.
[00:26:44]  But these are all people that have been, have failed up.
[00:26:48]  And so I don't know what's, you know, look, I guess I can say this, and this is an area where I do want to be careful.
[00:26:55]  We made 14 criminal referrals to Durham.
[00:27:00]  Those, and when I say 14, that's not 14 individuals.
[00:27:04]  It's dozens of people, some in multiple crimes that we identified to be investigated.
[00:27:10]  All we can do is turn that over to Durham.
[00:27:13]  And I will say this: I've been impressed by Durham for this reason.
[00:27:18]  It's the first investigation that I've been around in my time where you don't have a new leak every 24 hours that sets a new narrative that's fed to the fake news media complex.

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[00:27:41]  Look, and that's the way that investigations are supposed to be run in this country.
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[00:29:23]  I think I cut you off before we got to the Durham topic.
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=== Durham Investigation Spying (03:45) ===

[00:30:20]  Very good.
[00:30:20]  So in the couple minutes we have remaining, just to go back to the Durham point, I want to ask you, how much of this was actually what they did to Trump spying on him and how much of it was the cover-up?
[00:30:30]  Talk about kind of both pieces of that because those are two simultaneous issues, I think, that at times people conflate.
[00:30:36]  Look, you've got a lot of different characters involved in this.
[00:30:42]  You know, probably the worst of all is the corruption of the intelligence agencies, the people at top levels of Department of Justice and FBI that were involved in this fiasco, in this scandal.
[00:30:55]  I would say, secondly, and almost as important, you had the media, the fake news media complex was involved in this.
[00:31:04]  And so that's why I think you mentioned this a little bit earlier in the last segment, but the fake news has ignored this for the most part because they were in on it.
[00:31:18]  The fact that they're not out there writing about a company having access to White House communications architecture and then sharing that with political enemies.
[00:31:31]  The reason they're not writing about this is the only reason all you hear are crickets, right?
[00:31:36]  They're so quiet.
[00:31:37]  That's all you can really hear because there's nothing else.
[00:31:42]  They're not talking.
[00:31:43]  The reason they're not talking is because they were involved.
[00:31:47]  There has to be emails, text messages going back and during the 2016 election by many people, the intelligence agencies and the campaign and the Obama White House.
[00:31:59]  And like we talked about, a lot of those people are now in the Biden White House.
[00:32:05]  So, you know, this is a, it's a complicated web to get to the bottom of it.
[00:32:11]  And hopefully everyone will pay the price.
[00:32:14]  The challenge here is, is that, you know, Congress, when writing these statutes, you know, after Watergate, a lot of these statutes were written.
[00:32:23]  I don't think anybody ever envisioned that FBI lawyer, for example, would lie to a court.
[00:32:30]  So the laws that are on the books are not clear.
[00:32:33]  And after we get through this dark chapter of American history, and hopefully people do pay a price, hopefully there are a lot of indictments.
[00:32:41]  It will then be up to Congress to go in and really strengthen these laws because I think that's one of the things that ultimately Durham will, Durham will not be able to prosecute some people because they were clever enough to maneuver around the law.
[00:32:54]  And that's why you had the Clinton campaign and everybody says Clinton, but this was the whole Democratic Party.
[00:33:01]  They cleverly hired lawyers to create this phony firewall to allow the lawyers to do a lot of their dirty work.
[00:33:07]  And I think that's one of the things.
[00:33:09]  This is just my observation from being around this.
[00:33:12]  It's probably taken Durham a long time just to kind of pierce through these lawyers.
[00:33:19]  And that's why we saw the lawyer or the indictment of one of the Democrat National Committee and Clinton lawyers.
[00:33:25]  It probably took a long time to get to there because a lot of this stuff was being laundered through them to go out and do a lot of the dirty work.
[00:33:32]  And that's kind of where we're at right now.
[00:33:35]  That's right.
[00:33:37]  Devin, thank you so much for joining us and great commentary as always.
[00:33:41]  Truthsocial.com.
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[00:33:44]  Everyone check it out.
[00:33:44]  Devin, thank you so much.
[00:33:45]  We really appreciate it.
[00:33:47]  Great to be with you.
[00:33:50]  Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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