The Charlie Kirk Show - The Case Against Cancelling Lincoln with Brian Kilmeade
Aired: 2021-12-02
Duration: 38:18


=== Protecting History and Freedom (03:41) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show, my conversation with Brian Kilmead and his new book.
[00:00:03]  We talk about Abraham Lincoln, the destruction of our history, the proper way to view history.
[00:00:08]  We also talk a little bit at the end about Biden about to go full Mussolini with vaccine mandates.
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[00:01:27]  Brian Kilmead is here.
[00:01:29]  Buckle up here.
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[00:01:30]  Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
[00:01:32]  Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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[00:01:42]  He's an incredible guy.
[00:01:43]  His spirit, his love of this country.
[00:01:45]  He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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[00:02:31]  With us right now is a good friend of mine, someone who I have a lot of respect for for multiple reasons.
[00:02:38]  Number one, he might be the hardest working person in the media business.
[00:02:41]  I mean that he gets up at like 2:30 in the morning, hosts a morning show, does a radio show.
[00:02:46]  You always see him on the primetime shows as well.
[00:02:48]  Does a great job, and he's been really courageous and clear on the mandatory vaccine issue.
[00:02:55]  And that is Brian Kilmead.
[00:02:56]  And he has a new book out called The President and the Freedom Fighter.
[00:03:00]  Brian, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:03:02]  What's going on, Charlie?
[00:03:03]  You multimedia danger man.
[00:03:07]  I mean, you're everywhere.
[00:03:08]  What the hell?
[00:03:09]  That's what they tell me.
[00:03:10]  I mean, that's you.
[00:03:11]  You're on at three, just so you know, Brian, you come on the air half the year at three o'clock in the morning Eastern time in Arizona, just to give you an idea.
[00:03:20]  And then you're on in the evening.
[00:03:22]  You're all over the place.
[00:03:23]  I have to just ask you a personal question.
[00:03:24]  What is your sleep schedule?
[00:03:26]  I ask you this all the time.
[00:03:27]  I think it's just fascinating.
[00:03:28]  I mean, you go to bed at like around 10.
[00:03:31]  I get up at 2:30, out the door at 3, and just go straight through.
[00:03:37]  You know, work out in between, get to try to work out five, six days a week.

=== Lincoln as a Freedom Fighter (13:10) ===

[00:03:41]  But for the most part, you know, we're in the middle of something important.
[00:03:45]  And I'm on a great channel.
[00:03:47]  It gives me the opportunity to do a lot of things, including get involved with books.
[00:03:51]  And hey, do you want to host the seven this week?
[00:03:54]  Do you want to fill in for Tucker next week?
[00:03:56]  Do you want to do the five this week?
[00:03:57]  you, hey, Martha needed three.
[00:04:00]  Don Roberts wants you one.
[00:04:02]  And I'm not cleaning out their office.
[00:04:05]  I'm actually preparing to do a segment.
[00:04:08]  And to me, it's not really work.
[00:04:10]  I mean, it's like you never rest either.
[00:04:12]  You want to get new information.
[00:04:13]  You want to bring new things to the table.
[00:04:15]  The velocity of stories that come out have never been greater.
[00:04:18]  I've been here since 97.
[00:04:20]  I don't remember a time when there's more big stories ever.
[00:04:24]  Yes.
[00:04:24]  And it seems like every hour almost.
[00:04:26]  I mean, just today we talked about the Supreme Court issue, all these different trials happening.
[00:04:31]  You have the looting.
[00:04:32]  You have all that stuff.
[00:04:33]  So I want to start with your book, Brian, because your books are always so historically compelling and important.
[00:04:39]  And I have a real soft spot for Frederick Douglass.
[00:04:44]  I think he's such an important American figure that people don't know about.
[00:04:48]  The book is The President and the Freedom Fighter, Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, and their battle to save America's soul.
[00:04:55]  Tell us about the book and then tell us about the interesting relationship between Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.
[00:05:02]  And, you know, I've had a chance to talk to your group too, and they're the most intriguing people around.
[00:05:07]  It gives you great hope of the next generation.
[00:05:09]  But what I think this is, is fortuitous the timing.
[00:05:12]  I didn't do it for this reason, but it was one of the reasons why there was so much interest in the book in that we're all talking about race again.
[00:05:18]  We're talking about history again.
[00:05:20]  We're talking about 1619 Project again.
[00:05:22]  We're also talking about CRT.
[00:05:25]  All right.
[00:05:25]  Well, don't talk about that we're looking, you and I are trying to look to whitewash history.
[00:05:30]  Don't say that Fox is looking to say, don't talk about slavery.
[00:05:32]  I'm telling you right now, you cannot talk about Frederick Douglass and not talk about slavery.
[00:05:37]  Why?
[00:05:37]  He was born a slave.
[00:05:39]  And do we soft peddle it?
[00:05:40]  No, it's in his biography.
[00:05:42]  He wrote it seven years after escaping freedom.
[00:05:45]  He said, if you don't, he's just because I could speak well and he had a great vocabulary.
[00:05:49]  People started doubting that he was actually a slave.
[00:05:51]  He took his shirt off.
[00:05:52]  Look at my back.
[00:05:53]  Got whipped, got beat, never knew his birthday, never knew his parents.
[00:05:58]  There was a thirst to learn.
[00:06:00]  So again, education is in the news.
[00:06:02]  Frederick Douglass thirsting for it.
[00:06:04]  Lincoln, his dad would yell at him.
[00:06:07]  What are you learning for?
[00:06:08]  That's not going to help you.
[00:06:09]  Work the field.
[00:06:10]  This guy had a thirst to learn, one year of formal education.
[00:06:13]  What are we talking about?
[00:06:15]  This guy studied the founding fathers on his own, as did Frederick Douglass.
[00:06:20]  And the more that they learned, the more they wanted to learn.
[00:06:22]  And just think about this.
[00:06:24]  We're learning in school that America is inherently a racist country when these two people are in a very rough, rough and rugged America without any social safety net, without any, I don't know, social infrastructure to bail them out.
[00:06:38]  And they couldn't wait to make our country better.
[00:06:40]  They weren't judging our country.
[00:06:42]  They were involved in our country.
[00:06:44]  And I think that's what the big message is.
[00:06:47]  The details are, you don't have to be connected in order to make it in this country.
[00:06:52]  If you bet on any two Americans to emerge, you would have bet on anyone except for Lincoln and Douglas.
[00:06:57]  Douglas born a slave, obviously Frederick Bailey back then.
[00:07:01]  No one would have bet he would have escaped.
[00:07:03]  He failed once.
[00:07:03]  The second time he made it.
[00:07:05]  If he was caught, he would have been brought back to the deep south or killed.
[00:07:08]  He never was, became an internationally known author and intellect.
[00:07:12]  There's statues of him in Germany, Scotland, England, and Ireland today.
[00:07:16]  There's halls dedicated to him.
[00:07:18]  Nobody gave him anything.
[00:07:20]  And Lincoln, the same way, they would talk about how odd he looked, how his mom died at nine.
[00:07:28]  His stepmom was basically illiterate, but urged him to lead.
[00:07:30]  His dad was kind of abusive, it seems.
[00:07:32]  He was basically working 20 hours a day physically while trying to train his mind at the same time.
[00:07:39]  Being a lawyer, a one-term congressman, and our most important president ever.
[00:07:44]  That is the American dream.
[00:07:47]  And there's this great story where Frederick Douglass was trying to advocate for the abolition of slavery, and he showed up at the White House.
[00:07:55]  I'm not sure if you have this in your book or not.
[00:07:57]  He showed up in the White House to try to get a meeting with Abraham Lincoln, and everyone else waiting to go see the president were white.
[00:08:03]  And he submitted his name, Frederick Douglass.
[00:08:06]  And someone got to President Lincoln and said, Frederick Douglass is here to see you.
[00:08:11]  And he had heard of Frederick Douglass and he had heard of his work.
[00:08:14]  And he requested Frederick Douglass to come in.
[00:08:16]  Now, a black man in the White House while Abraham Lincoln was president was not normal, right?
[00:08:23]  And unless you were a staff member, I'm putting that, you know, anyway.
[00:08:30]  So they call Frederick Douglass through, and almost the staff tries to stop him at every single corner.
[00:08:36]  And then Abraham Lincoln finally looks through kind of a hall and sees Frederick Douglass and says, ah, that's Frederick Douglass, my friend.
[00:08:43]  Please come here.
[00:08:44]  And it was this amazing moment where everyone around him said, wow, Abraham Lincoln is treating Frederick Douglass as an equal.
[00:08:51]  Talk a little bit about their relationship together.
[00:08:54]  Well, yeah, I mean, I'm so glad you pointed that out.
[00:08:56]  It's probably the most important moment in the book.
[00:08:59]  So just to give you a little bit of backstory, we did a special.
[00:09:01]  It was on Fox Nation.
[00:09:02]  I went back to the White House.
[00:09:04]  I didn't tell Joe Biden I was coming with Douglas Brinkley.
[00:09:08]  And we sat there in front and we just said, you know, behind us is the White House.
[00:09:12]  It's where Frederick Douglass stood back in, you know, 1863.
[00:09:17]  And he got online like everybody else.
[00:09:19]  And they said, can I have your card?
[00:09:20]  And he said, yeah, here's my card, Frederick Douglass.
[00:09:22]  Within 10 minutes, he got asked to go up.
[00:09:24]  And he's past sitting senator and congressman and moms looking to find out what happened to his sons.
[00:09:29]  You know, the Civil War is raging.
[00:09:31]  And he gets right up there.
[00:09:32]  And he looks over at Lincoln for the first time and he says, and his chronicle did it in his biography.
[00:09:37]  He said, I see a man sitting in a chair that was way too small for him.
[00:09:40]  And I saw every year of this war in his face.
[00:09:44]  And keep in mind, he's only 55, 56 years old at the time.
[00:09:47]  People think Lincoln was like seven.
[00:09:49]  No, he just was in a very, you know, he's in a tough time in the world.
[00:09:53]  He was a Midwesterner working every day, not with the sunscreen that Charlie Kirk uses.
[00:09:58]  And he was aged beyond his years because he felt every death, and including the death of his own son, who died while he was in the White House.
[00:10:06]  So he goes up there and sees him.
[00:10:08]  And the minute they see each other, he said, he realized he earned the name honest Abe.
[00:10:14]  And he saw the sincerity in which he listened.
[00:10:16]  They floated ideas back and forth.
[00:10:18]  They asked each other questions.
[00:10:20]  And then they said, Listen, we got the Emancipation.
[00:10:24]  I did what you said, Frederick.
[00:10:26]  I got African Americans fighting for their own freedom in uniform with guns.
[00:10:30]  Now what?
[00:10:30]  He goes, You have to help me recruit.
[00:10:32]  He goes, I got it.
[00:10:33]  His sons joined the 54th Massachusetts Infantry.
[00:10:36]  He walks around to black units in the North and says, Guys, you got to join.
[00:10:40]  We got to go for the win.
[00:10:42]  They meet again.
[00:10:42]  He says, Hey, Frederick, we got to go into the South.
[00:10:45]  We got to let them know that these men are free.
[00:10:48]  These women are free.
[00:10:49]  Let them rise up and come across.
[00:10:51]  And then we'll give them uniforms and let them fight.
[00:10:54]  Now, it was just amazing to me to see this interaction going on because for the most part, Frederick Douglass had his own newspaper called the North Star, and he was critical.
[00:11:03]  And I think you might be able to relate to this.
[00:11:05]  He was very critical of Lincoln, not because he was the worst, because he expected him to be the best.
[00:11:10]  He wanted Lincoln to take office and free the slave.
[00:11:13]  He wanted Lincoln to take office and give all the African Americans in the country guns and uniform.
[00:11:19]  And Lincoln's first as a politician, the country was not ready.
[00:11:22]  The North wasn't really the South purely for slavery.
[00:11:25]  They were looking to fight the South to get back in the Union.
[00:11:29]  And the South was looking to fight to preserve slavery.
[00:11:33]  No question about it.
[00:11:34]  Their way of life.
[00:11:36]  But Lincoln had to keep pace.
[00:11:38]  Douglas wanted it right away.
[00:11:39]  He would eventually understand that Lincoln's timeframe was right.
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[00:12:49]  The president and the freedom fighter.
[00:12:50]  Everyone, check it out.
[00:12:52]  Brian does a great job.
[00:12:53]  I'm a big Abraham Lincoln fan.
[00:12:55]  Abraham Lincoln was basically self-taught, non-college educated.
[00:12:59]  He studied Shakespeare and Euclid and the Bible.
[00:13:03]  That's where he got his basis for reason, wisdom, and culture.
[00:13:10]  Tell us a little about Abraham Lincoln.
[00:13:11]  Do we need a Lincoln right now, Brian?
[00:13:13]  What does that mean that we need a Lincoln?
[00:13:15]  Because that's used a lot.
[00:13:17]  What kind of guy was he?
[00:13:18]  Number one, like you said, self-taught, very curious, very kind, very honest, very tough, very sarcastic, very funny.
[00:13:25]  And what you have is a guy who read, and this is the where Frederick Douglass and Lincoln were alike.
[00:13:32]  There was this new, there's this book out, and I would encourage everyone to download it called The Columbian Orator.
[00:13:36]  And it was a book written.
[00:13:38]  It was everything you just said.
[00:13:39]  In the book, you have essays by George Washington by Socrates.
[00:13:45]  Obviously, someone else wrote it.
[00:13:46]  Socrates never wrote anything down, but Plato did, made all the money.
[00:13:49]  Then you have people like Caesar would be in there.
[00:13:52]  Cicero would be in there.
[00:13:54]  And both were reading this book simultaneously, different parts of the world, different experiences.
[00:13:59]  But it opened up their minds.
[00:14:01]  It opened up their minds to what else was happening in the world at the time and to understand that what life could be and what compared it to other things.
[00:14:09]  Where if you were a slave, Frederick Douglass was a slave, all he saw was this horrible existence.
[00:14:15]  And all the people he saw were these horrible existence, he had nothing to compare it to.
[00:14:18]  So to open up Lincoln's mind, he would see all these things while worshiping the founding fathers.
[00:14:23]  And what you had is a guy that never stopped learning, always had two ears, one mouth, but at the same time would learn to emerge as an impactful politician, as a congressman right away, as an attorney, would walk around and represent the unrepresented.
[00:14:38]  But it was time for this party called the Republican Party to emerge.
[00:14:43]  It was Lincoln that ended up at the perfect time at the perfect place to take on Stephen Douglas for the Senate seat first, which he lost, but it wasn't a popular vote then in the state, in the city, in the state.
[00:14:53]  It was voted by the party leaders.
[00:14:56]  But his debates were written up around the country, and the substance of which are really the handbook on how to lead America at the time and maybe even today.
[00:15:05]  And people said, Who is this guy?
[00:15:07]  Who cares that he lost?
[00:15:08]  Douglas knew, my goodness, Stephen Douglas thought he was going to be president.
[00:15:12]  But after he competed against Lincoln, he said, This is going to be my main competition.
[00:15:17]  And when Lincoln finally emerges and gets the nomination over Seward in New York, even though Seward was the governor, he would give this killer speech to Lincoln at Cooper Union.
[00:15:27]  And it was in the special in New York City, at which time he looked at the founding fathers and what they viewed on slavery.
[00:15:33]  And he saw that Lincoln, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe all were against it, but couldn't get out of it.
[00:15:37]  It was a compromise done back then to lace together these 13 colonies into one country.
[00:15:44]  All sides had to give something up.
[00:15:46]  Virginia wanted to give up slavery, but South Carolina didn't.
[00:15:49]  So they went along with it.
[00:15:50]  So he was able to give historical conscience context to the most controversial thing of that day, obviously, was slavery, which is happening on every continent.
[00:15:58]  And Lincoln studied for hours in order to give that one speech, not for just the audience, but newspapers would be writing it up and they would publish all around the country.
[00:16:08]  And they say, this is the answer to that issue.
[00:16:10]  This gives us context to what our founding fathers were thinking just decades later, as opposed to hundreds of years before.
[00:16:17]  And this is the type of guy he was.
[00:16:20]  Not great, knew his parents wasn't great, knew he didn't dress great, didn't spend a lot of time on clothes and appearance, but knew at the time that he had to create an image, the rail splitter, turn intellect, who's still a rail splitter.
[00:16:32]  That would be his nomination.
[00:16:34]  That would be his presidency.
[00:16:35]  And as you know, he would not get any Southern votes with 40% of the popular vote.
[00:16:40]  He would become president, but seven states would leave before he got there.
[00:16:44]  And next thing you know, he was in almost enemy territory when he went to Washington, D.C.
[00:16:49]  So you think that Trump had it tough?

=== Securing Your Home Title (02:11) ===

[00:16:51]  Yeah.
[00:16:52]  You think that Biden has his back against the wall of the pandemic, in a way, but nothing compared to Lincoln.
[00:16:57]  I'm so glad you mentioned the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
[00:17:00]  The Lincoln-Douglas debates are very similar to what you mentioned previously, some of the dialogues of Socrates.
[00:17:05]  What is justice?
[00:17:06]  What is right?
[00:17:07]  And actually, where you are, I'm guessing you're in New York City right now.
[00:17:12]  A young historian by the name of Harry Jaffa actually was going through an old bookstore in Manhattan.
[00:17:18]  This is like 60 or 70 years ago and dusted off the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
[00:17:22]  And they were not popular until he kind of found them and publicized them.
[00:17:26]  And you read these, it is the ultimate question of what does it mean to be an American?
[00:17:30]  What is justice?
[00:17:31]  What is the struggle towards the good?
[00:17:34]  And Abraham Lincoln was incredibly charismatic and wise and articulate defender of that.
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[00:18:45]  A lot of you have been emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
[00:18:50]  How do I teach my kids history?
[00:18:51]  What should I teach my kids history?
[00:18:54]  What part of history should I teach my kids?
[00:18:56]  I guess is the question that we get a lot of.
[00:18:58]  Anything by Brian Kilmead is the first answer.
[00:19:00]  His books are terrific.
[00:19:00]  His book on the Alamo is phenomenal.

=== Debating Lincoln's Legacy (11:12) ===

[00:19:03]  His work on Andrew Jackson is inspiring.
[00:19:05]  And also, George Washington's Secret Six is really cool.
[00:19:08]  But this one in particular, I just love this period of history.
[00:19:12]  Abraham Lincoln was a special person.
[00:19:14]  So, Brian, welcome back.
[00:19:16]  Right now in San Francisco, they are debating whether or not they need to rename a school from Abraham Lincoln.
[00:19:24]  In fact, let me read this article for you: San Francisco to remove names of Washington and Lincoln from schools, saying that it's because he's connected to oppression and slavery and racism.
[00:19:36]  How could you possibly glean that from the life of Abraham Lincoln?
[00:19:40]  You read 1619, and that's what they try to say.
[00:19:43]  And now it's in the curriculum.
[00:19:44]  And that's why CRT makes it full circle.
[00:19:47]  And that's why it's not okay to don't worry about it.
[00:19:49]  I'll work it out when the kids get home.
[00:19:51]  And that's the only good thing that came out of the pandemic that I know of is that people are listening to some of this crap coming out from the Zoom calls, from the Zoom classes, and saying, What are you learning?
[00:20:00]  That makes no sense.
[00:20:01]  What are you even saying?
[00:20:03]  And what they're pointing out to, and this is the big picture, they're taking today's values, whether better or for worse, and they're projecting on 1880s or 1492 or 1500s or 1700s, or what you're saying in the 18th century.
[00:20:15]  And they're saying, Why don't they think like we think?
[00:20:18]  Well, there are times during the Douglas debates where Stephen Douglas turns around and says, Frederick Douglass is basically your running mate.
[00:20:24]  You believe everything Frederick Douglass.
[00:20:26]  And he says, No, I think blacks should be free, but I don't think they're equal.
[00:20:29]  I don't think they're of our equal mindset, but they deserve to have freedom.
[00:20:33]  Now, people might go, aha, look at this terrible line Lincoln had.
[00:20:36]  But in his day, that was actually enlightened.
[00:20:40]  And by the end of his life, as we talked about last segment, with Douglas coming to see him, waiting five minutes online, with Douglas being his featured guest on the platform for his second inaugural, with him seeing Douglas for the final time, and Douglas walking up, him spotting Lincoln, and Lincoln saying, My friend Douglas, what did you think of my speech?
[00:20:59]  And Douglas says, Don't worry about me.
[00:21:01]  You got a room full of people.
[00:21:02]  He said, There's nobody's opinion I care more about.
[00:21:04]  So people evolve in their time, let alone since their time.
[00:21:10]  In their time, the man that ran for four years and said, I want freedom, I don't want equality, he basically ran for equality as an abolitionist four years later.
[00:21:21]  And then he's looking at Frederick Douglass and says, My friend, there's no one opinion I care more about.
[00:21:26]  Does that sound like a racist to you?
[00:21:29]  I mean, does that sound like someone you don't want on your elementary school, the front of your elementary school?
[00:21:34]  The answer is no.
[00:21:35]  But are there questionable things that happen in Patton's background and Lincoln's background, in everybody's background?
[00:21:42]  Barack Obama thought of same-sex marriage was terrible in 2008.
[00:21:47]  In 2012, he ran on it.
[00:21:49]  Was he a terrible person in 2008?
[00:21:51]  People change.
[00:21:52]  People evolve.
[00:21:52]  Society changes.
[00:21:54]  And to me, I never saw a period, Charlie, and you're much closer to it because you're always with the next generation that was so judgmental on our past.
[00:22:04]  Instead of studying our past, we're judging them on our values.
[00:22:08]  What arrogance.
[00:22:11]  I totally agree.
[00:22:12]  And, you know, biblically, it's really interesting.
[00:22:14]  If you read Genesis 6:9, it talks about Noah and it says, Noah was a righteous man among the people of his time.
[00:22:23]  It's very interesting that in the first couple books of Genesis, they go out of their way to say, Hey, Noah was good if you compare Noah amongst who he was around.
[00:22:31]  But if you compared Noah to David, I don't know if Noah would have cut the, you know, and it's a really interesting kind of way that the Torah teaches the first five books of the Bible.
[00:22:40]  It says, hey, when you look at history, you got to compare it to their contemporaries.
[00:22:44]  Isn't that right?
[00:22:46]  That's my whole point.
[00:22:47]  In 1619 Project, which is now the number one book because the New York Times published it.
[00:22:52]  And even though so many historians came out and said, I'm just not comfortable with this.
[00:22:56]  Take my name off it.
[00:22:57]  So much here is inaccurate.
[00:22:59]  The 1619 Project says, okay, it's 2020 and I don't like what some of the founding fathers did and said, oh, really?
[00:23:05]  I'm sorry.
[00:23:05]  They didn't live up to your ability.
[00:23:06]  Do you know you wouldn't be here?
[00:23:08]  They set the foundation.
[00:23:10]  They spread the cement that allowed us to build the houses and the society, the number one economic and military force in the world and has been really since the 1950s.
[00:23:18]  So instead of accepting, and we're building on it, they're judging it.
[00:23:21]  And you're 100% right.
[00:23:23]  The 1619 Project says, look at these quotes from Lincoln and Washington and Jefferson and others and saying, well, this is a terrible country where we're born on stolen land and we oppress people to build it.
[00:23:35]  That is just a hateful view of America that I would expect to come out of Venezuela, Cuba, Russia, and China, not from inside our country by a leading newspaper that is now a curriculum.
[00:23:50]  So I thought I'd do these books because I loved it and would like to share it with Fox viewers who are often the most patriotic in our country.
[00:23:57]  I didn't know history books would be necessary.
[00:24:00]  So I find myself in these speeches and Friday night.
[00:24:04]  December 3rd, December 4th, I'll be on stage talking about all these books and live events.
[00:24:09]  Not a Charlie Kirk crowd, but a good crowd, about 500,000 people.
[00:24:13]  But I'll be talking about America great from the start, winning the war on American history, putting all these books in context.
[00:24:21]  Well, but Brian, I'm so passionate about this, and I didn't mean to cut you off, but one of Lincoln's quotes, they never, they owe it, the 1619 project, they don't use original source documents.
[00:24:29]  Nicole Hannah Jones has come under huge fire for misrepresentation.
[00:24:33]  She does not actually take the founders in their own words.
[00:24:35]  For example, Lincoln, who is not a founder, but some would say he actually oversaw a new founding, a second founding of America, said, I am naturally anti-slavery, Lincoln said.
[00:24:44]  If slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong.
[00:24:48]  I cannot remember when I did not so think or feel that way.
[00:24:52]  Brian.
[00:24:54]  Yes, 100%.
[00:24:57]  He always said that.
[00:24:58]  He never really was in a slave culture.
[00:25:00]  Of course, he would travel and visit.
[00:25:01]  He'd go down the Mississippi and deliver things.
[00:25:03]  And he's got some remarkable physical stories about that to make money and to see the world and see the country.
[00:25:10]  But the critics would say, yeah, he wants freedom, but he doesn't think blacks and whites were the same intellectually.
[00:25:17]  You know who also thought that?
[00:25:19]  Benjamin Franklin.
[00:25:20]  You know who also changed?
[00:25:21]  Benjamin Franklin.
[00:25:22]  Became an abolitionist.
[00:25:23]  The guy was once a slave owner.
[00:25:25]  In his time, he was the smartest man anywhere on the planet in his time.
[00:25:32]  Do I want to slam every biography on Benjamin Franklin?
[00:25:35]  Closed because he had these beliefs early, but he was a person who was born into a culture that felt that way.
[00:25:42]  And the thing is about Lincoln, there's time and time again where he showed it.
[00:25:46]  And I'll go back to a moving moment.
[00:25:49]  It's depicted in many movies.
[00:25:52]  So one of the great people in our past that's finally getting the credit he deserves is Ulysses S. Grant.
[00:25:58]  And Grant was for, let's get these blacks in the army.
[00:26:01]  And Seward wants it too.
[00:26:03]  And Seward says, but don't, Mr. President, don't do it now.
[00:26:06]  It looks desperation because the union kept losing.
[00:26:09]  And then when they finally have Antietam, which was a hard-fought, bloody victory, he goes, now.
[00:26:14]  And sure enough, the word went out, blacks can fight for the freedom, and they would.
[00:26:18]  And they fight valiantly and brilliantly.
[00:26:20]  And they dispel a lot of beliefs about what kind of courage they actually had.
[00:26:24]  And they won the respect of just about everyone that fought with him.
[00:26:27]  But the man that made it happen was Lincoln.
[00:26:29]  And when it finally came clear that they were going to win the war and Jefferson Davis fled Richmond, Lincoln grabbed his son and said, let's get on a barge and let's go to Richmond.
[00:26:37]  I want to see where Jefferson Davis led.
[00:26:39]  And as he stepped ashore, the first people to greet him were blacks, were African Americans.
[00:26:44]  And they see him and they start crying.
[00:26:48]  And he says, lift up, don't you?
[00:26:49]  What are you guys doing?
[00:26:50]  Don't, you know, don't worship me.
[00:26:52]  I'm just a man.
[00:26:52]  He goes, you gave us all this freedom.
[00:26:55]  You believed in us.
[00:26:56]  He goes, now show everybody what you can do.
[00:26:58]  Show everyone that you earned it.
[00:27:00]  And this is moving moment.
[00:27:01]  Also, when Grant gets visited by Lincoln out in the battlefield, he said, Mr. President, down there is an all-black unit.
[00:27:08]  Go say hello.
[00:27:09]  And as he gets closer, the same thing.
[00:27:11]  They look at him.
[00:27:12]  They burst into tears.
[00:27:13]  They throw their hats in the air and they just want to hug him.
[00:27:15]  Say, thanks for believing in us.
[00:27:17]  Is that a guy that you do not want as a statue in the front of your building, in the front of your workplace, in the front of your elementary school?
[00:27:27]  Of course it is.
[00:27:28]  It doesn't mean at one point in his teens and in his 20s when he was writing and he was debating.
[00:27:34]  He didn't say, I don't think we're equal.
[00:27:36]  You know why?
[00:27:37]  Because they weren't educated.
[00:27:39]  Education is everything.
[00:27:41]  And that brings us back to the central theme today.
[00:27:43]  What are we learning in schools?
[00:27:45]  And are we giving blacks, Hispanics, women and men the equal opportunity to learn, opportunity, not outcomes, to learn?
[00:27:56]  So that is a great man of his time.
[00:27:59]  That's why he lives in Intamy.
[00:28:00]  That's why he belongs to the ages.
[00:28:03]  Amen.
[00:28:04]  And not to mention, just in the context of the pressure and the differences of direction the country could have gone for Lincoln to act in the way he did with prudence and with courage, never being overly dramatic, but always analyzing what was in front of him, looking at it rationally, looking at it reasonably, asking himself, what do I want?
[00:28:28]  What do we want to get out of this?
[00:28:30]  And then being willing to see it all the way through.
[00:28:34]  Talk briefly with Abraham Lincoln.
[00:28:37]  How Abraham Lincoln very well could have just given up and said, you know what?
[00:28:42]  Fine.
[00:28:42]  Too much bloodshed.
[00:28:43]  The South, you can have your own country.
[00:28:45]  Why did he think that was a mistake?
[00:28:47]  And how close were we to actually that conclusion?
[00:28:50]  Well, look, the only time that Lincoln wavered was when he first took office.
[00:28:55]  He told the South, he goes, you guys come back into the fray.
[00:28:58]  Let's forget it.
[00:28:59]  Keep your slaves.
[00:29:00]  We'll work it out down the line.
[00:29:01]  That's no reason to leave the country.
[00:29:03]  That drove Douglas crazy and wrote about in his newspaper, the North Star.
[00:29:07]  But the 13th Amendment said imbuing slavery in our system, it ended up being the thing that freed every man in America, every black man in America and woman.
[00:29:16]  So having said that, you had a guy that wouldn't want to waiver because he saw no way out.
[00:29:20]  He thought he owed it to the founding fathers to finish it through.
[00:29:23]  But if he did not win re-election, we do not remain one country because almost everyone from McClellan to other people vying for the nomination wanted this thing to end.
[00:29:34]  So almost 700,000 were dead.
[00:29:36]  No clear end in sight.
[00:29:38]  Nobody was giving up.
[00:29:39]  So let's cut a deal.
[00:29:40]  They were trying to cut deals around him, but not with him.
[00:29:44]  Wow.
[00:29:44]  So there was something about him who knew this was almost a, he wasn't a religious man, but he was a spiritual man that believed that his mission was to get this country back together to live up to the Constitution.
[00:29:57]  I will say, and Brian, you know this.
[00:29:58]  It's debated, but a really good Lincoln historian says that Lincoln's last words as he leaned over to Mary Todd Lincoln as he said, I look forward to the day to walk in the streets of Jerusalem alongside where our Savior did.

=== Supporting American Ranchers (02:11) ===

[00:30:15]  Bang.
[00:30:16]  Now, I'm told that's true.
[00:30:17]  There is some debate amongst that.
[00:30:19]  And you know, Lincoln went to church service, the Presbyterian church in D.C. quite often, but he had a reverence for the Bible, no doubt.
[00:30:25]  I think that is that's well agreed upon with historians.
[00:30:29]  The book is The President of the Freedom Fighter.
[00:30:31]  Brian, you're a great American.
[00:30:32]  Everyone, check it out.
[00:30:33]  Thank you for joining us.
[00:30:34]  We deeply appreciate it, Brian.
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=== Challenging Vaccine Mandates (05:31) ===

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[00:32:50]  There is just so much news happening today with the Supreme Court.
[00:32:54]  We didn't even mention that the courts are blocking Joe Biden's vaccine mandates.
[00:32:59]  That last evening there was a stay put on Joe Biden's vaccine mandate that was pretty remarkable.
[00:33:07]  Louisiana judge Terry Dodie cites Dr. Jay, here we go, Battacharia.
[00:33:14]  Is that right?
[00:33:14]  It's not bad.
[00:33:15]  We're in the ball.
[00:33:17]  We're in the zip code.
[00:33:18]  And Dr. Peter McCullough in his decision to block Joe Biden's federal COVID-19 vaccine mandate.
[00:33:24]  Quote, these studies overwhelmingly conclude that natural immunity provides equivalent or greater protection against a severe infection than immunity generated by COVID-19 vaccines.
[00:33:35]  The judge says the vaccines do not prevent transmission of the disease among the vaccinated.
[00:33:41]  The virus has achieved an immune escape from the COVID-19 vaccines.
[00:33:45]  The Delta variant is not adequately covered by the vaccines.
[00:33:51]  So the courts struck that down, and I was really pleased to see that.
[00:33:55]  Now, we are hearing whispers that Joe Biden is going to go full totalitarian.
[00:34:01]  There's a big announcement coming.
[00:34:02]  He might do a domestic air travel vaccine requirement.
[00:34:07]  I think that might be in the cards.
[00:34:10]  Now, I want to say our hope should not be in the courts, but I am pleased to see that there is this Article 3 firewall that is protecting some of our natural rights.
[00:34:22]  Now, despite Joe Biden losing in the courts, despite Joe Biden's vaccine mandate being struck down at every corner, there's virtually no vaccine mandate that's currently been held up.
[00:34:33]  If I'm not mistaken, the federal contractor vaccine mandate has been stayed.
[00:34:38]  The OSHA vaccine mandate has been stayed.
[00:34:41]  Now, here's what we, I just want to give a little bit of a preview.
[00:34:44]  Joe Biden is going to go full Mussolini and going to have a press conference.
[00:34:48]  He's going to be talking about potentially mandating the quarantine of international travelers coming into the United States, which is ridiculous, unnecessary, and that would sow vaccine hesitancy.
[00:34:59]  By the way, it's so funny.
[00:35:00]  They always accuse me of sowing vaccine hesitancy, which I've never done, by the way.
[00:35:04]  I just ask questions and I never get any answers from these apparatches.
[00:35:07]  Do you know what does sow vaccine hesitancy?
[00:35:09]  Requiring people to wear masks, even though people are getting vaccinated.
[00:35:12]  Isn't that the ultimate action of vaccine skepticism and hesitancy?
[00:35:16]  It undermines the entire issue of that.
[00:35:21]  Now, I have a theory that ties to a segment we did earlier.
[00:35:28]  I rewatched the Jim Kramer clip and I re-watched it three or four times.
[00:35:35]  I have a new take on it.
[00:35:37]  It's not contradictory, by the way.
[00:35:39]  I think it was orchestrated.
[00:35:41]  I think he was told to do it to move the Overton window.
[00:35:46]  I think Jim Cramer was employed for the sole purpose to try and change what is deemed acceptable in public opinion.
[00:35:57]  We've gone through the Overton window multiple times.
[00:36:00]  The Overton window is a spectrum of what is deemed to be policy versus unacceptable even talk about or popular or it goes from unacceptable to unpopular to neutral to popular to policy.
[00:36:16]  What if Jim Kramer going out and saying that we need to bring the military in, everybody needs vaccinated?
[00:36:20]  What if he was to try to move the Overton window a little bit further than they're actually planning to go?
[00:36:25]  But when something falls 10% short of that, people are like, oh, yeah, I guess that's somewhat reasonable.
[00:36:31]  Canada, for example, has now banned unvaccinated from travel, citing the Omicron variant, which was first found in fully vaccinated patients.
[00:36:41]  Europe is going the same way.
[00:36:43]  The Overton window, by the way, goes from unthinkable to radical, acceptable to sensible, to popular to policy.
[00:36:49]  It's a spectrum that goes both ways.
[00:36:53]  So the courts, are they offering a successful bulwark or are they just offering a speed bump?
[00:37:01]  Are the courts actually going to be able to slow down these vaccine mandates or is the ruling class trying to socially condition, trying to prepare the American people for something even more dramatic that is coming next?
[00:37:19]  That's the question.
[00:37:21]  You look at Europe, you look at Germany, look at Austria, look at Australia.
[00:37:24]  They are all going the opposite direction.
[00:37:27]  Now, thanks to our federalist system, our state-based system, it's going to be hard to do that here.
[00:37:32]  But we are going to be watching very carefully what Joe Biden does because the courts are pushing back against Biden.
[00:37:37]  He doesn't care.
[00:37:38]  He's not going to run for president again, despite what they're saying.
[00:37:41]  No, Jim Cramer and all these people, I think, were in the business of the fullback leading and blocking, if you will, trying to change what is acceptable to try and turn America into an open-air COVID police state.

=== Federalism vs. Biden's Push (00:21) ===

[00:37:57]  Time will tell.
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