The Charlie Kirk Show - The Best Thanksgiving Argument to Stump Your Liberal Relatives
Aired: 2021-11-24
Duration: 39:19


=== Thanksgiving Arguments Stump Liberals (14:39) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, one Thanksgiving argument that can stump your left-wing relatives.
[00:00:06]  We talk about black-only dormitories and why is Jeff Bezos giving Obama $100 million.
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[00:03:30]  So I rarely do this.
[00:03:31]  I'm going to ask you guys to send this story to your friends.
[00:03:35]  And so I do a lot of traveling and speaking, as many of you know, with what we do at Turning Point USA, and we get the message out.
[00:03:42]  And I have an above-average talent on a couple things.
[00:03:47]  One of them is to read audiences.
[00:03:49]  I do that pretty well.
[00:03:51]  And when I read an audience and I tell them about black-only dormitories or black-only graduation ceremonies or black-only classrooms, people's eyes light up.
[00:04:03]  What do you mean there's segregation happening in our country?
[00:04:07]  Of course there is.
[00:04:09]  And I rarely ask you all to do this, but I'm going to ask you to listen to this story and send this story to your liberal friends and relatives.
[00:04:18]  In fact, if you want, here's some help for you.
[00:04:22]  For those of you that are going to be encountering some liberals in Thanksgiving, this is the story for you.
[00:04:31]  If you think you're going to be encountering some left-wingers on Thanksgiving that are going to be asking for vaccine passports before you can eat the pumpkin pie, and you're not really sure what topics or issues might arise, first I encourage you to play offense as soon as the topic comes up.
[00:04:49]  And there's only one thing that you should talk about.
[00:04:54]  There's only one story I hope you zero in on because I think it highlights the differences between the people that are trying to preserve and conserve the country and people that are trying to deconstruct the country altogether.
[00:05:12]  This story continues to repeat itself.
[00:05:16]  It replicates itself in many separate and different manifestations.
[00:05:23]  And at a fundamental level, Americans know that there's something evil, pernicious, and very troubling about this.
[00:05:34]  And I would just ask your liberal relatives, your left-wing relatives, I should say, are they okay with this?
[00:05:40]  Theblaze.com, New York Junior High School, segregates students by race in order to undo legacy of racism.
[00:05:53]  A junior high school in Manhattan is racially segregating students as part of its efforts to discuss identity and social justice issues, the New York Post reported.
[00:06:04]  According to the paper, an email to parents of students at the Lower Manhattan Community School said the institution will be splitting kids into categories based on race as part of its efforts to, quote, undo the legacy of racism and oppression in this country that impacts our school community.
[00:06:23]  On November 23rd, 24th, so today and tomorrow, seventh and eighth graders will explore the question: quote, how do our racial identities influence our experiences?
[00:06:36]  An affinity group is group formed around a shared interest.
[00:06:41]  The affinity groups will categorize students by race.
[00:06:44]  White students will have one group, Asians will have their own, black and Hispanic students will be combined into one group.
[00:06:52]  And mixed race students will have their own category.
[00:06:55]  If a student is one of those kids who has a problem with the segregation, he can join a fifth group that says they appear to be uncomfortable with the format.
[00:07:05]  And before I go any further, here's a pretty obvious question.
[00:07:09]  What if the kid's half black and half white?
[00:07:12]  What group do they go into?
[00:07:15]  Oh, you're not allowed to ask that question.
[00:07:17]  Yeah.
[00:07:19]  Are they half oppressed?
[00:07:21]  Do they have to pay reparations to themselves?
[00:07:24]  No, they're half oppressed or half oppressed.
[00:07:26]  A total conflict.
[00:07:30]  Connor, can you find the quote from W. E.B. Du Bois, where he said that race is the true driver of history.
[00:07:42]  I think that would be really helpful.
[00:07:44]  I read that the other day.
[00:07:46]  The Post editorial board added its objection in an editorial posted on Sunday night.
[00:07:54]  So they racially segregate the seventh and eighth graders.
[00:07:59]  Now, this is not a one-off thing.
[00:08:02]  For example, at Western Washington University, they have black-only dormitories.
[00:08:12]  Western Washington University implements segregated, black-only student housing.
[00:08:18]  What's amazing is I'm reading the story from blackenterprise.com, and Black Enterprise is celebrating this.
[00:08:26]  Now, if you do take the teachings of Malcolm X seriously, this is a precursor to what Malcolm X argued for.
[00:08:36]  Malcolm X, the militant Nation of Islam leader, very violent, by the way, encouraged Black Panther violence.
[00:08:47]  He was consistent, though.
[00:08:50]  You see, Malcolm X said that America's racist, therefore we need our own country.
[00:08:55]  Blacks need their own country.
[00:08:57]  Now, there's a really interesting story that most people don't know about the black leaders.
[00:09:03]  I think Frederick Douglass was involved in this meeting.
[00:09:06]  So there was a private meeting that occurred with Abraham Lincoln right before the end of the Civil War, obviously before Abraham Lincoln was shot.
[00:09:13]  And black leaders met with Abraham Lincoln, and I'll actually find this story in the break.
[00:09:19]  It's sometimes hard to find this.
[00:09:21]  Abraham Lincoln actually offered blacks their own country.
[00:09:26]  Now, this wasn't the first attempt to do that.
[00:09:28]  The first attempt to repatriate blacks out of the country was actually done by President James Monroe, the fifth president, for a country that is known as Liberia.
[00:09:41]  Liberia is in the western part of Africa.
[00:09:44]  And you might say, well, Charlie, what's the capital of Liberia?
[00:09:47]  I'm glad you asked.
[00:09:47]  It's Monrovia.
[00:09:49]  It was an actual project.
[00:09:51]  It was called the Black Independence Liberty Project, right, Connor?
[00:09:54]  Black Liberty Project.
[00:09:56]  It failed miserably.
[00:09:57]  Blacks didn't want to leave.
[00:09:58]  They're like, yeah, I don't like slavery, but I definitely don't want to go back to Africa.
[00:10:02]  There are some people that took him up on it.
[00:10:04]  If you actually look at the Liberian flag, the Liberian flag is very similar to the American flag.
[00:10:10]  Very similar.
[00:10:11]  Liberia also has a Bill of Rights, and Liberia is a great example of how we are more than just documents, that we are a people with an ethos.
[00:10:20]  It's a separate topic for a different time.
[00:10:22]  But Liberia has a lot of the same ideas, and they're one of the least free countries in the world.
[00:10:27]  It's almost a carbon copy of the American flag.
[00:10:29]  That's Liberia.
[00:10:30]  So Liberia was an attempt to do what Malcolm X later wanted to do.
[00:10:35]  But in the 1850s, a group of blacks went to Abraham Lincoln, and Abraham Lincoln was like, look, if you guys want your own country, we can arrange that.
[00:10:45]  If you black leaders want your own country, we can help you with that.
[00:10:51]  And they deliberated amongst themselves.
[00:10:54]  And of course, deliberation comes before a decision, according to Aristotle.
[00:10:58]  Deliberation is one of the highest forms, and contemplation, I'm sorry.
[00:11:01]  Deliberation leads to contemplation, which will hopefully lead to truth.
[00:11:04]  And they came back to Abraham Lincoln.
[00:11:05]  You know what they said?
[00:11:07]  They said, this is our home.
[00:11:10]  This happened on August 14th, 1862.
[00:11:13]  Abraham Lincoln did something unprecedented.
[00:11:16]  He met with black leaders, all free black clergymen, and he said, We're happy to support a new black country.
[00:11:28]  They were even talking about South Africa, South America.
[00:11:30]  I'm sorry.
[00:11:31]  And Lincoln mentioned Liberia because this was a suggestion before.
[00:11:39]  Now, this movement didn't really gain much traction until Malcolm X resurrected this idea before his assassination, where Malcolm X basically said that blacks can never be free in this country.
[00:11:52]  We have to go back.
[00:11:53]  And you could say a lot about Malcolm X.
[00:11:55]  That actually is the logical conclusion.
[00:12:00]  That is the logical answer if you think America is systemically racist.
[00:12:04]  Leave.
[00:12:05]  Now, I don't think America is systemically racist, so I'm not encouraging people to leave.
[00:12:09]  But if you believe that, like Tahanisi Coates does, then why are you still here?
[00:12:14]  If you believe it can never be fixed, then you should just leave, repatriate, go away.
[00:12:18]  But they don't want that, right?
[00:12:20]  There's this tension, which is America is such a great country that even those who hate it refuse to leave.
[00:12:26]  A lot of you are going to be up against relatives, maybe your smug 19-year-old daughter that went to Stanford who eats vegan now and is non-binary and thinks America is systemically racist.
[00:12:37]  It's time to put them on offense, this defense, this Thanksgiving, and ask a very simple question: Do you support black-only classrooms, black-only dormitories, and the resegregation of American society?
[00:12:48]  Yes or no?
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=== Radicalism Pops Up in Schools (05:43) ===

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[00:15:03]  Segregation is evil.
[00:15:05]  I had a whole campus tour around how segregation was evil, and yet the Associated Press then comes out with an article saying that I'm the one using race to try and stoke controversy.
[00:15:16]  No, no, no.
[00:15:17]  You obviously didn't listen to any of the campus tour that we had.
[00:15:20]  I think segregation is evil and awful.
[00:15:22]  I think judging people based on the color of their skin is a sin.
[00:15:26]  Washingtonexaminer.com.
[00:15:28]  More than 75 colleges host black-only graduation ceremonies.
[00:15:34]  A new report from the National Association of Scholars has identified more than 75 schools offering segregated graduations.
[00:15:42]  The National Association of Scholars looked at 173 schools and found that 76 of them offer ceremonies, including Harvard, UC San Diego, UC Irvine.
[00:15:52]  Oh, Arizona State University.
[00:15:53]  Did you know that?
[00:15:54]  Arizona State University does black-only graduation ceremonies.
[00:15:59]  I didn't know the KKK was running Arizona State University.
[00:16:02]  Actually, I did after the recent way they handled that apparatchik.
[00:16:07]  It's very simple that if you're trying to look for clarity this Thanksgiving with your left-wing relatives, just ask them these very simple questions.
[00:16:19]  What is the moral framework you are working from to justify the resegregation of people based on their skin color?
[00:16:28]  It's that simple.
[00:16:29]  What is the moral framework?
[00:16:30]  Because the moral framework of identity politics or critical race theory or diversity, equity, inclusion is the elevation of disfavored groups and the suppression of favored groups, or vice versa.
[00:16:44]  Depends who you put in what category.
[00:16:46]  So if you're a white, straight man, they want to try to crush you.
[00:16:49]  But I look at the story breaking today.
[00:16:51]  Right now, as this is happening, schools in New York have been re-segregated today.
[00:16:58]  The lower Manhattan Community School right now is having white kids go to one classroom and black kids go to another classroom.
[00:17:06]  Now, this is just begging for a federal lawsuit.
[00:17:09]  Now, what I don't understand, though, is where's the Department of Justice using Title VII of the United States Civil Rights Act, going after schools that are now segregating kids based on skin color?
[00:17:24]  And also, do they think this is going to de-radicalize people or further radicalize them?
[00:17:29]  Of course, it's going to create more radicalism.
[00:17:31]  They want more radicalism.
[00:17:32]  Radicalism is lifeblood to a regime that never actually wants to get anything consequential done for their citizens.
[00:17:40]  Instead, they want the constant carousel of mirage issues popping up.
[00:17:47]  Go look at Rittenhouse.
[00:17:48]  Go look at Ahmad Arbery.
[00:17:50]  Go look at Breonna Taylor.
[00:17:51]  Don't actually look at how gas prices are going up or middle class wages are going down or how it's harder to have children than ever before.
[00:17:59]  Here's a breaking news story that should be the number one news story in the country.
[00:18:06]  The birth rate decline won't be ending anytime soon.
[00:18:10]  Interesting.
[00:18:12]  I wonder if there was a show back in the summer of 2020 that said we're on the verge of a population collapse.
[00:18:18]  We tried to warn people.
[00:18:21]  Young people, because they went to college, do not believe that having children is necessary.
[00:18:28]  And remember this story from earlier this year.
[00:18:31]  Ivy League University, Cornell University, has defended a course saying that white people are not allowed to attend the course.
[00:18:41]  The course is designed for people of color underrepresented in the sport of rock climbing to learn the sport and to feel included and supported.
[00:18:50]  What is the country that they're trying to create?
[00:18:54]  They're trying to create a country where they want the Liberia project to happen here.
[00:19:01]  They don't want white people to participate in the society that they're trying to create.
[00:19:08]  And so the question is very simple.
[00:19:09]  And we're going to post this story at charliekirk.com.
[00:19:13]  Do you believe that New York junior high schoolers should be segregated based on the color of their skin?
[00:19:21]  If you believed in Martin Luther King Jr.'s complaints and the moral crusade he did in the 50s and 60s, why are you silent and okay with this now?
[00:19:31]  Are you okay just because it's against white people?
[00:19:34]  And some activists say, well, it's our turn to eat.
[00:19:37]  That's what some activists say.
[00:19:41]  As if intergenerational blood ancestral guilt, that just because you look like someone that might have done something wrong, we must now punish you accordingly.
[00:19:51]  That's the moral framework we're going to operate under.
[00:19:55]  This is going to head in a direction that no one wants it to go to.
[00:19:58]  Real radicalism is about to pop up in this country, and I think they want it.
[00:20:03]  I think this is a massive concoction campaign to stir up radicalism where it doesn't exist, to be able to shadow box against it, to justify a power grab over the rest of the country.
[00:20:14]  If you support segregation, you're a leftist.
[00:20:19]  And if not, you love the country.

=== Protect Your Search History Privacy (02:09) ===

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[00:22:17]  With us right now is a good friend of mine and one of the smartest Americans and someone who really gets it, Matt Peterson from the Claremont Institute and the American Mind.
[00:22:28]  It's a great website.
[00:22:30]  Matt, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

=== Defend the American Mind Statues (11:51) ===

[00:22:32]  Oh, thank you.
[00:22:33]  Thank you so much for having me on.
[00:22:34]  There's a lot I want to cover with you and also new founding as well.
[00:22:38]  I want to talk about.
[00:22:40]  So let's start with you have a new pack that got some coverage to try to engage in corporate warfare.
[00:22:46]  I have to ask you about this and you have a chance to actually talk about it positively, unlike that, what, that Vice article?
[00:22:52]  It was a joke.
[00:22:53]  That means that you're doing a good job.
[00:22:54]  Tell us about what you're doing.
[00:22:55]  Oh, yeah.
[00:22:56]  Well, they're attacking us because they sense, they can smell that we're actually going to fight to win and attack people.
[00:23:03]  We're going to be the voice of the people.
[00:23:05]  This is AmericanFirebrand.com.
[00:23:07]  The name of the PAC is Firebrand.
[00:23:09]  We fight to win.
[00:23:10]  And, you know, myself and others were just sick and tired of, you know, just lame digital media on the part of the right, politicians not saying what they should.
[00:23:21]  And we thought the way to accelerate change would be to start rewarding the people who are actually saying, you know, what should be said and attacking even people on the right who are really holding us back.
[00:23:32]  And, you know, we think this is a political war without generals.
[00:23:37]  There are no Republican leaders and the people deserve better.
[00:23:41]  And so AmericanFirebrand.com is actually, I can say to you, you'll know this before everyone else.
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[00:23:51]  The trailer will come out Thanksgiving and next week.
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[00:23:58]  And the intent is we are going to band together and we're going to push both the Republican Party and the left back and we're going to fight to win.
[00:24:08]  Well, I can't wait to see it.
[00:24:09]  You're going to do a great job with that.
[00:24:10]  And one of the cultural issues that you've been focused on at Claremont and Lincoln Fellowship has been the preservation of our history.
[00:24:19]  So I want to ask you about this story, the removal of Thomas Jefferson from the New York City Hall.
[00:24:26]  You actually teach in college.
[00:24:29]  You used to, and you know a fair amount a lot about American history.
[00:24:32]  First, tell us why Thomas Jefferson is worthy of our admiration and then also why this is so destructive to today to remove our founding icons and the people who actually made this country possible.
[00:24:44]  Well, as a wise man once told me, if you can build a country that lasts more than five minutes, you're a genius.
[00:24:50]  And the founders of this country were able to build something that lasted far beyond them and that provided so much good for so many other people.
[00:24:58]  You know, Aristotle says anyone who is a founder who can create a government that lasts beyond themselves and provides peace and happiness to millions of people.
[00:25:08]  They're all flawed, by the way, but anyone who can create a government that's successful engages in a godlike act.
[00:25:15]  I mean, it really is godlike.
[00:25:17]  It's a noble and great thing to be a founder and to create something that lasts you and provides goods for millions of people over time.
[00:25:25]  And so Jefferson is one of the preeminent founders.
[00:25:28]  And when you look at his achievements, he was the man who was able to encapsulate the ideas of his era, his era in the Declaration of Independence.
[00:25:39]  The American mind, I mean, the publication that we founded at Claremont is based on this phrase.
[00:25:47]  He was able to encapsulate the American mind at the time.
[00:25:51]  And so, you know, that's a tremendous achievement.
[00:25:53]  The Declaration of Independence has been influential throughout the world and changed the world in so many ways.
[00:26:00]  And this is a man who also, of course, he helped every step of the way with the founding.
[00:26:04]  He also created the University of Virginia.
[00:26:07]  And, you know, someone whose achievements were renowned throughout the world.
[00:26:12]  And we're going to tear down his statue on account of his sins.
[00:26:16]  Do we just realize that now?
[00:26:17]  No, people always realized that the people in these statues weren't perfect.
[00:26:22]  But we recognize their actual achievements, which are real.
[00:26:25]  And those achievements are what is being undermined when we literally tear down a statue.
[00:26:30]  We're saying this country needs to be torn down in some way on account of its flaws.
[00:26:36]  And that's a really dangerous place for a country to be.
[00:26:39]  Well, and it's also just when I encounter the activists that hate Thomas Jefferson, they know so little about him.
[00:26:44]  They don't know that in the first draft of the Declaration, he admonished King George for bringing slaves to America.
[00:26:50]  They don't know that he actually advocated for the abolition of slavery in the 1790s.
[00:26:55]  They don't know his quote that he said, being engaged in slavery means you become a master of tyranny.
[00:27:02]  He actually hated the practice and he struggled with it.
[00:27:05]  They don't know that he abolished the importation of new slaves in 1803, which was the first window that actually allowed it when the first Axis president in March of 1803.
[00:27:14]  But let's go a level deeper, Matt, because some of our audience right now, we're living through this cultural blitzkrieg.
[00:27:20]  It's this nonstop campaign.
[00:27:21]  James O'Keefe's doors get kicked in, right?
[00:27:24]  Bannon gets indicted, all the deplatforming happening every day on social media, Kyle Rittenhouse.
[00:27:31]  Where does this fit into the regime's aims and objectives?
[00:27:34]  Why are they doing this?
[00:27:36]  A lot of our audience struggles with that question.
[00:27:41]  Well, you have to tell everyone and force everyone to believe and actually say that America should not just be deconstructed, but destroyed or literally deconstructed.
[00:27:53]  And by tearing down those statues, you're saying it's a public statement that says this country was founded on evil.
[00:28:01]  And if they can get you to believe that, and if they can get you to say that, then they can get you to go along with whatever their plans are to completely demolish it.
[00:28:09]  And so this is, you know, you could say, well, it's just a statue, just like they say, oh, it's just property being burned in these riots.
[00:28:16]  But when you're physically removing the memory of greatness in the country's past, you only do that because you think the evil outweighs the good.
[00:28:26]  And so it's really simple.
[00:28:28]  I mean, they think America is intrinsically evil, and therefore they should be allowed to redo the entire regime and take complete control over it.
[00:28:37]  And anyone who defends America is therefore also bad and deserves their door kicked down.
[00:28:43]  And this is such an important point, Matt.
[00:28:45]  And I've told my team this: which is, I'm less interested in the political kind of palace intrigue than ever before.
[00:28:51]  I don't really care who gives a House floor speech anymore.
[00:28:53]  We'd cover a little bit of that.
[00:28:55]  I'm really interested, though, as to why we are so ill-prepared to make the defense of the actual nation we're trying to conserve, right?
[00:29:03]  And that's why the week we spent together with the Lincoln Fellowship was so helpful, which was this beautiful philosophical journey of from John Locke to the Federalist Papers to Edmund Burke, of what are we actually trying to do here?
[00:29:16]  Talk a little bit about that because I think the Thomas Jefferson statue removal, this is the whole ballgame.
[00:29:22]  If they can get you to hate what happened before, then who's to say they can't pass Green New Deal or take your weapons away or to vaccinate your children against the will?
[00:29:31]  They're actually, this is all very much related.
[00:29:33]  They know what they're doing.
[00:29:36]  Yeah, because when you, because most people, you know, just don't think about politics.
[00:29:40]  I mean, politics is here and there in the palace intrigue.
[00:29:42]  And I agree, like that stuff is tiresome to watch in any time and place, frankly.
[00:29:49]  But what's important is the actual structure of the government, right?
[00:29:53]  I mean, the actual constitution, whether it's written or not, what actually constitutes or orders and organizes the government-that's really important because that affects everybody who the government has power over.
[00:30:04]  And so, what by removing the statue, they're saying that actual order, that system, right, systemic, it's systemically wrong.
[00:30:12]  So, therefore, we can destroy every part of it.
[00:30:15]  So, the Constitution ultimately becomes a tool of white supremacy as well, which means, guess what?
[00:30:21]  Powerful, they need power in order to reconstitute the Constitution, in order to reconstitute the dream, in order to make the kind of scene that they want to make, which is terrifying for a lot of the woke types.
[00:30:36]  It's a kind of racialized hierarchy or a hierarchy of identities where some people are more citizens and some citizens are less because of the color of their skin or their sexual preference.
[00:30:46]  And The basic point is, if they can destroy that statue, they have power over what America is, was, and should be.
[00:30:56]  And some conservatives feel as if it's not a big deal.
[00:31:00]  I hear some people that say, it's just the thing of bronze.
[00:31:04]  I mean, what's the big deal, right?
[00:31:06]  It's not like that's invalidating our country, but they know so little about how actually the American mind or the human mind is wired.
[00:31:14]  If you don't have things to anchor you of what came before, then what are we conserving exactly?
[00:31:19]  Who's to say that we won't have a new complete moral framework that gets implemented?
[00:31:24]  And that is part of the goal, right?
[00:31:26]  Which is the Edmund Burke three-tied knot of what came before, what happens now, what's going to happen.
[00:31:31]  If you remove the memory of anything that happened prior, they know exactly what they're doing there.
[00:31:36]  I want to ask you, do you have a thought on that, Matt?
[00:31:38]  If not, I have one other topic I want to cover.
[00:31:40]  No, I just think this erasure of memory and the memory of greatness is terrible.
[00:31:45]  And so many aspects in our culture are pushing it.
[00:31:47]  And you're exactly right.
[00:31:48]  So we have two minutes remaining.
[00:31:50]  I want you to talk a little bit about what I actually asked you to come on, which is the fragility of this regime.
[00:31:55]  They seem desperate.
[00:31:56]  They don't seem organized.
[00:31:58]  They don't seem precise.
[00:31:59]  Am I reading that correctly?
[00:32:01]  They almost seem like a frenetic group of people that are running out of time.
[00:32:06]  Is that the right analysis?
[00:32:10]  Yes, with an addendum.
[00:32:11]  I mean, I think you're right.
[00:32:13]  What you see is a kind of frenetic activity and desperation.
[00:32:18]  They're holding on, right?
[00:32:19]  They're white-knuckling all the gauges and the steering wheel and they're pressing the pedal all the way to the gas, right?
[00:32:26]  I mean, they're turning all the cultural energy, all the control they have over the most powerful institutions in America.
[00:32:33]  They're just pushing it all to 11.
[00:32:36]  And they've been doing that for a while now.
[00:32:38]  And what happens when you push the engine all the way up to 11, full stop, and you keep driving that train, right, like they are, is eventually you start to break things.
[00:32:47]  Things break down.
[00:32:48]  And that does seem to be intentional in some way now.
[00:32:51]  But I think what's happening is that because of new technology and the kind of digital disruption and its ripple effects, because of Trump's election and everything that came after, they do know that a large portion of obviously the populace disagrees with them.
[00:33:07]  They do feel as if they're losing their grasp on power.
[00:33:11]  And so you get this kind of activity.
[00:33:13]  Now, if you look at it, I mean, take two figures, right, that are on the same side.
[00:33:18]  I mean, Nancy Pelosi is a little different in the way she's holding on to power, although apparently she's going to retire to Florida, right?
[00:33:24]  She's holding on in her 80s.
[00:33:26]  It's just disgusting and unhealthy, right?
[00:33:28]  These people just holding on to the very end.
[00:33:30]  And then they make a deal with kind of the more the woekesters or the people who are very radical, communist, they want to destroy everything.
[00:33:39]  And those people, of course, they're always pushing to 11.
[00:33:42]  And so there is a sense in which the old way of maintaining power for the people with the old media, right?
[00:33:50]  The old newspapers, the TV, and all the rest, the old banks rather than crypto, right?
[00:33:55]  They're all holding on to power and they feel it slipping away.
[00:33:58]  So I think that's right with the addendum that, I mean, they still do control the commanding heights of the most powerful institutions.
[00:34:05]  But they seem increasingly nervous and they're not really sure of the way to navigate it.
[00:34:09]  Matt, thank you so much for joining us.
[00:34:11]  New founding, American Mind, Claremont Institute, all of it.
[00:34:14]  It's always fun having you on.
[00:34:15]  Great.
[00:34:15]  Thank you.
[00:34:16]  Thanks, Matt.
[00:34:16]  See you soon.
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[00:35:16]  What is Jeff Bezos doing?
[00:35:18]  Announced yesterday, Jeff Bezos is donating $100 million to the Obama Foundation in honor of Congressman John Lewis, a hero of the U.S. Civil Rights Movement, what CNN calls him.
[00:35:31]  As part of the gift, Bezos has asked that the Obama Presidential Center be named the John Lewis Plaza, the foundation said.
[00:35:40]  He said that freedom fighters deserve a special place in the pantheon of heroes.
[00:35:45]  And I can't think of a more fitting person to honor with this gift than John Lewis.
[00:35:51]  So, Jeff Bezos is actually not a very generous person.
[00:35:58]  If you look at Jeff Bezos' charity, it's very low.
[00:36:02]  He does not give a lot of money to charity.
[00:36:07]  Now, he has this new thing called the Bezos Earth Fund, where he gave $10 billion.
[00:36:11]  That doesn't count.
[00:36:13]  But if you actually go deeper into his charity, he doesn't really participate as generously as some of his counterparts.
[00:36:25]  So, what is Jeff Bezos doing here?
[00:36:28]  Well, remember, the Clinton Foundation was able to raise a lot of money under the prospect, under the possibility of Hillary Clinton becoming president of the United States and Bill Clinton getting back into the White House.
[00:36:43]  The Clintons were able to raise tens of millions of dollars when it seemed likely that they were going to be controlling the federal government of the United States.
[00:36:53]  Now, remember, last week we tried to navigate the shade war between somebody who was launching a PR campaign against Kamala Harris.
[00:37:04]  And we conjectured and we concluded that the Obamas were likely behind the attack on Kamala Harris, trying to pave the way so that Michelle Obama can become the first female black president.
[00:37:25]  Kamala Harris is all that stands in the way of that.
[00:37:28]  And remember, Kamala Harris comes from a different political tribe in the Democrat Party.
[00:37:37]  Kamala Harris comes from the San Francisco cartel, where the Obamas come from the Chicago coalition.
[00:37:44]  Axelrod, Jarrett, David Plough.
[00:37:48]  They are all from that group.
[00:37:50]  So, what is Jeff Bezos doing here?
[00:37:52]  Very easy to understand.
[00:37:55]  Jeff Bezos is making a down payment on the goodwill that Michelle Obama is going to be president after Joe Biden.
[00:38:05]  Jeff Bezos knows something.
[00:38:07]  He's the world's richest man, and he does not part with $100 million because he's so inspired by John Lewis.
[00:38:13]  Give me a break.
[00:38:14]  Jeff Bezos knows that Michelle Obama is going to run for president after Joe Biden.
[00:38:21]  He's trying to angle himself within the Obama regime, who, by the way, has a lot of influence over this current administration.
[00:38:29]  But Bezos is doing something simply and truly Machiavellian.
[00:38:33]  He wants to be able to make his rocket ship go to Saturn or whatever.
[00:38:38]  And Jeff Bezos is doing something that is pure politics.
[00:38:42]  Consider this a down payment, Mr. Obama, he probably said with a wink and a nod as their mansions neighbor each other in DC.
[00:38:48]  Because when your wife's running the country, I want my favors fulfilled.
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