The Charlie Kirk Show - Building the Criminal Case for Conspiracy Against the Deep State with Kash Patel
Aired: 2021-09-29
Duration: 42:17


=== The Russia Scam Unveiled (08:20) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, my interview with Kash Patel, who is the man that revealed and unveiled the Russia scam.
[00:00:08]  It's an in-depth and detailed conversation, and quite honestly, one of my favorite conversations I've had recently with an exceedingly smart individual and patriotic person.
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[00:00:59]  Kash Patel thinks people are going to jail, and he explains why.
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[00:02:48]  Hey, everybody.
[00:02:49]  Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:02:51]  With us today is Kash Patel.
[00:02:53]  I think I've met him a couple times, but my goodness, everyone I respect speaks so favorably about this man and what he did for our country.
[00:03:03]  And I just think so many things were happening at once.
[00:03:06]  And then the virus happened.
[00:03:08]  We never really had a chance to sit down and talk.
[00:03:10]  But Cash, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:03:13]  Charlie, thanks so much for having me on.
[00:03:15]  You got an amazing show and an amazing following.
[00:03:17]  And I'm really looking forward to chatting.
[00:03:19]  Well, thank you.
[00:03:20]  And so I appreciate that.
[00:03:22]  I want to dive into a couple of things.
[00:03:23]  I first want to make sure I plug this website because Cash is currently being targeted by the Democrats.
[00:03:29]  And I know Cash has to be careful the way he describes it, but he can say it however he wants, but I'll say it how I want to, because he was so effective in fighting for the president and quite honestly figuring out what was happening behind this entire Russia hoax that they're doing everything they can to try and issue subpoenas and what have you against Cash.
[00:03:50]  Cash, do you want to talk just a second about that so we can talk about the website?
[00:03:53]  We'll reference it throughout the discussion.
[00:03:55]  No, I appreciate that.
[00:03:57]  And look, long story short, as you know, Charlie, I was lead investigator for Chairman Nunes on the Russia Gate investigation, where we showed the world that the DNC and the Hillary Clinton paid for the dossier.
[00:04:06]  And worse than that, the FBI and DOJ lied to federal courts so they could spy on President Trump.
[00:04:11]  But exposing that, I thought, would be the service you signed up for when you signed up to serve.
[00:04:16]  But the media had, I guess, a different avenue in mind.
[00:04:20]  And basically, they started coming after me.
[00:04:22]  So, long story short, the personal attacks got very personal.
[00:04:25]  Then they just got straight up defamatory.
[00:04:27]  So I sued Politico, the New York Times, and CNN for defamation.
[00:04:30]  Wow.
[00:04:31]  And we're in the middle of those lawsuits now, but I was, and you know, you want to clear your name.
[00:04:35]  And so does Chairman Nunes want to clear his name.
[00:04:37]  But I was traveling with Chairman Nunes on his freedom tour this year.
[00:04:40]  And so many citizens came up to us and said, we've been defamed.
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[00:04:49]  So I started fightwithcash.com with a K.
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[00:04:58]  You need a day in court just like I do.
[00:04:59]  It shouldn't be denied to anybody because you don't have the funds to do it or don't know the right lawyers.
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[00:05:21]  So you worked for Devin Nunez, who was basically a Lone Ranger.
[00:05:25]  House Republican leadership at the time wanted nothing to do with this.
[00:05:28]  In fact, Paul Ryan and the Republicans were the ones that were pushing for Bob Mueller's appointment and were kind of believing all of this Russian nonsense.
[00:05:38]  Just kind of go back in time and remind us of the timeline and the drama and the intrigue that led up to what you and Devin were able to discover while you were while you were working for him.
[00:05:53]  Yeah, let me see if I could stage this right.
[00:05:54]  So I'm not going to use any political party affiliations just to sort of display the magnitude of what I think happened.
[00:06:00]  Picture in 2016, the United States presidential election is going on and one presidential campaign unlawfully and impermissibly obtains false information from people overseas.
[00:06:12]  And they take that information knowing it to be false and stuff it through the media and the left and the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Justice just to get fraudulent search warrants on their opponent, a president for the United States of America.
[00:06:28]  And that's what they did.
[00:06:30]  And I think it would have gotten a lot more attention if it was the Republican campaign doing it to the Democrats.
[00:06:35]  But since it was the Hillary Clinton campaign who paid tens of millions of dollars through their lawyers to funnel it and hide it, then they had their lawyers go to the FBI and DOJ and other agencies to say, we've got great dirt.
[00:06:47]  We paid this guy, Christopher Steele, and these other actors.
[00:06:49]  We're going to plant these false narratives in the media.
[00:06:52]  Then we're going to go to the FISA court.
[00:06:54]  And for those that don't know it, it's basically the most secret court we have to conduct the most surreptitious surveillance that we can conduct.
[00:07:01]  And I use that all the time when I was a national security prosecutor.
[00:07:04]  It's a righteous court.
[00:07:05]  But when you commit a fraud on that court just to surveil a presidential campaign like they did against President Trump, that's the crux of what we're talking about.
[00:07:13]  And we, you know, fortunately, we had a great leader in Chairman Nunes, and I was fortunate to spearhead that team and follow the money and basically show that Hillary paid for it.
[00:07:22]  And then if that weren't bad enough, we were able to show the perpetrators, the crooks like the Comeys, the McCabes, Peter Strzoks of the world, perpetrated a fraud on a federal judge just so they can listen in on a presidential election campaign and later president, if you believe.
[00:07:38]  So let me ask you a question that you might have received before, but I've never heard answered.
[00:07:43]  Do you think they think this was all worth it?
[00:07:46]  And that's an interesting question.
[00:07:47]  Yeah.
[00:07:48]  So tell me why.
[00:07:49]  Yeah.
[00:07:49]  So, if you were, and we work to unearth a lot of these text messages for some of your viewers that might not be familiar with it, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page having an affair, running the FBI investigation into President Trump, lead lawyer, lead agent.
[00:08:02]  It's almost something you can't even fictionalize, but this is what's happening.
[00:08:05]  And these guys are sending countless messages during the election cycle in 2016 saying they are going to stop President Trump from becoming president.
[00:08:14]  That's their own words, not mine, in text now available that Devin Nunes and I were able to put out and declassify.

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[00:10:34]  So just kind of walk us through that again, the significance, the unprecedented nature of this, the Chuck Schumer, like passive aggressive warning sign in January of 17 on Rachel Maddow's show, right?

=== Search Warrants and FBI Spying (07:17) ===

[00:10:46]  The Donald Trump accurately saying that I'm being spied on and people laughing at him.
[00:10:52]  Walk us through the timeline of all this.
[00:10:54]  I think it would be helpful as I get to the topic I really want to zero in on, which is Durham.
[00:10:59]  Yeah, sure.
[00:11:00]  So look, these investigations, and as a former federal prosecutor who did national security cases, you know, these things take time.
[00:11:06]  You have to get approvals from down below in the bowels of the Justice Department through the Attorney General if you're going to go surveill someone of this magnitude.
[00:11:15]  And that's for your younger viewers.
[00:11:17]  A search warrant is a search warrant.
[00:11:18]  If you're looking at, if you're looking at a bank robber or suspected murderer, you have to go before a federal judge and you got to say, Judge, I think this guy committed this crime.
[00:11:27]  We need to go and look at his bank records, his telephone records, his emails, his phone calls, because we think he killed somebody or because we think he robbed a bank.
[00:11:36]  And if there's probable cause, the judge grants it.
[00:11:38]  Same thing in this instance.
[00:11:40]  It's just a different federal court that deals with spying.
[00:11:43]  And basically what the Hillary Clinton campaign did was they spent tens of millions of dollars to collect false information from this guy, Christopher Steele, who used to be a British intelligence asset, if you can believe it, later turned FBI informant.
[00:11:59]  I mean, you can't even make this stuff.
[00:12:01]  Let me ask you, I never understood this.
[00:12:02]  Where the heck did those tens of millions, how on earth did they spend tens of millions of dollars?
[00:12:06]  I've never, never understood that.
[00:12:09]  Sure.
[00:12:10]  So one of the neat things that we were able to do on House Intel, even though Paul Ryan didn't want us to do it, was subpoena of the bank records for this company called Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson.
[00:12:20]  And they were funneling the money through Perkins Cooey, which is the Democratic law firm.
[00:12:24]  That's what they do.
[00:12:25]  Their job is to be the representatives for the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign.
[00:12:30]  So those guys get paid tens of millions of dollars.
[00:12:32]  Money goes into the law firm.
[00:12:34]  The law firm then cuts checks to Fusion GPS for millions of dollars.
[00:12:38]  And they go and hire media representatives, Christopher Steele, to start putting on false smear campaigns against President Trump.
[00:12:44]  So they're working the intelligence apparatus in one lane and the media apparatus in another to take on a presidential elect a presidential candidate, excuse me, and later a president.
[00:12:55]  So continue on.
[00:12:55]  You said that they gave tens of millions of dollars.
[00:12:57]  I interrupted you to just continue through the line of the story.
[00:13:01]  Yeah.
[00:13:02]  So basically, you would think for your viewers, you know, this happens in banana republics, not in America, not in 2016, not in 2020.
[00:13:10]  But they take the money that, you know, people go out and campaign so hard for to elect a president.
[00:13:16]  And instead of saying, putting out signs, getting out the word to vote, securing voting and things like that, they're saying, no, no, no, let's call the media and let's seed stories in the media that we know we, the FBI, Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele and DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign know are bogus, but it's candidate Trump then.
[00:13:36]  So they're likely to go with it because the media hated him before he was elected.
[00:13:40]  And then while we're taking him out in the media, we're going to secretly go and have our lead lawyer, and we'll talk about this suspin, go to the FBI's lead lawyer and say, oh, I'm just being a good Samaritan.
[00:13:53]  I was paid tens of millions of dollars by the Hillary Clinton campaign to collect all this information.
[00:13:58]  I think you should have a look.
[00:13:59]  And then that lawyer takes it and executes a search warrant against President Trump's campaign.
[00:14:04]  The FBI.
[00:14:05]  That's how bad it is.
[00:14:05]  But didn't the FBI have to go through a FISA court?
[00:14:10]  Yeah, you're spot on.
[00:14:12]  I cut out a few steps.
[00:14:13]  So what happens there is with any search warrant, especially when you're talking about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which is a FISA search warrant, the information has to come in.
[00:14:23]  And I've done this, and it's reams of material.
[00:14:25]  You have to get probably 20 different approvals before you can even walk into the FISA court to say to a judge, hey, I need probably, I have probable cause.
[00:14:33]  I need a very invasive search warrant against then candidate Trump's campaign.
[00:14:39]  And so the FBI lawyer takes it, gives it to his agents, gives it to the director of the FBI, James Comey.
[00:14:44]  He signs it.
[00:14:44]  He's got to walk it over to the DOJ.
[00:14:46]  The attorney general himself has to sign that warrant.
[00:14:50]  So the Democratically elected president's attorney general is signing off on a search warrant for their opponent's campaign.
[00:14:58]  Then they go to the Fisk.
[00:14:59]  And it would be one thing, Charlie.
[00:15:01]  That was Loretta Lynch at the time, right?
[00:15:04]  Yeah, you're spot on it.
[00:15:05]  It was Loretta Lynch.
[00:15:06]  And it would be one thing, Charlie, if there was criminal conduct afoot.
[00:15:10]  As a former prosecutor, I can understand that that's what you would want to do.
[00:15:14]  What they did, though, what Comey did, what McCabe did and what the DOJ did was falsely mislead a FISA court.
[00:15:21]  And we've now proven that in the Nunes memo, it's in the movie Plot Against the President, and it's in the documents we've released since.
[00:15:28]  They knew that information was bogus.
[00:15:30]  They said, no one's going to catch us.
[00:15:32]  We're going to go up on a surveillance warrant anyway.
[00:15:34]  And so they went through that process.
[00:15:37]  And so they spied on Trump and more specifically on his campaign, which is where Carter Page comes in, right?
[00:15:46]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:15:47]  And so basically, look at it this way.
[00:15:51]  When we were doing gangs prosecutions or criminal conspiracies, you target the weakest link.
[00:15:55]  You target the guy that you can get a search warrant on.
[00:15:58]  Because once you have that search warrant, in this case, Carter Page, you can listen to everybody he's talking to.
[00:16:03]  You can get all the emails that he's sending to them and they're sending to him.
[00:16:06]  So you don't necessarily have to be the number one target.
[00:16:09]  But these search warrants are different because you're not giving notification to the searched, correct?
[00:16:19]  Right.
[00:16:19]  Which is an unusual type of warrant.
[00:16:22]  Oh, it's very invasive.
[00:16:24]  It's very different.
[00:16:25]  That's why it goes through a different approval process within the FBI and DOJ because it's so invasive that we're basically what I used them for was to go up and spy on terrorists that we were trying to either take out or arrest.
[00:16:38]  I mean, that's the purpose of this tool.
[00:16:40]  And they used it on a presidential campaign.
[00:16:42]  So just to give you a little side by side of what they were doing with that.
[00:16:46]  And here's the other thing.
[00:16:47]  They didn't just do it once.
[00:16:49]  They did it four times into President Trump being president.
[00:16:54]  That means his own attorney general, Rob Rosenstein at the time, signed off on a warrant to spy on that president, even though the information was bogus.
[00:17:03]  And that's when Jeff Sessions recused himself or whatever, right?
[00:17:06]  Because he was just unwilling or unable to get involved at all in that.
[00:17:13]  So where did it go wrong for them?
[00:17:17]  Where did this start to fall apart?
[00:17:20]  Because I can't imagine.
[00:17:22]  So they're just I'm just starting to understand kind of what their thought process was.
[00:17:29]  They spied on Trump and Carter Page.
[00:17:31]  The intelligence apparatus started to get all this information.
[00:17:34]  At some point, were they like, there's really nothing here?
[00:17:37]  Are we too exposed?
[00:17:39]  Where did all of a sudden their criminal conspiracy start to fall apart?
[00:17:44]  Well, enter Chairman Nunes, right?
[00:17:47]  And the leader of the investigation into RussiaGate or the Russian active measure, right?
[00:17:52]  And he brought me on then to investigate this stuff with my background as an investigator and in the intelligence community.
[00:17:58]  And I said to Devin at the time, I said, look, we got to do two things.
[00:18:02]  You follow the money.
[00:18:02]  So let's get bank records.

=== Intelligence Apparatus Cracks Down (03:04) ===

[00:18:04]  Somebody's paying for this stuff.
[00:18:05]  And the other thing with search warrants, I said, you don't have to be a lawyer to figure this out.
[00:18:09]  If they have an informant, go get the informant files and see if that guy's credible.
[00:18:14]  How much is he getting paid?
[00:18:15]  Did he lie?
[00:18:16]  Does he know the candidate?
[00:18:18]  Does he know President Trump?
[00:18:19]  Does he hate him?
[00:18:20]  All that information is stored somewhere.
[00:18:22]  So we started to attack those avenues together, the money, which we now know where it came from, and the credibility of Kristen Steele.
[00:18:29]  So let me ask you, though, and I just don't remember, what was the impetus for Devin to start caring about this?
[00:18:36]  Did someone, was there a whistleblower in the FBI?
[00:18:38]  Were we starting to get suspicion?
[00:18:40]  I don't quite remember that.
[00:18:42]  Yeah, sure.
[00:18:43]  So if you're around, if you remember when the Steele dossier first was leaked by the media in January of 17.
[00:18:51]  That's by BuzzFeed or whatever, right?
[00:18:53]  BuzzFeed or something.
[00:18:54]  That coupled with the, in December of the, of the classified leaks of the Mike Flynn phone calls, right?
[00:19:01]  Yes, with those Russian ambassador, sure.
[00:19:03]  Exactly.
[00:19:04]  So those two events together caused a Republican-led Congress at the time.
[00:19:07]  The Republicans had the majority.
[00:19:09]  And they said, we need to do an investigation into the unlawful unmaskings and also this steel dossier stuff.
[00:19:16]  It started to come together.
[00:19:18]  And that's when it was basically, okay, in the spring of 17, they said, we're going to launch an investigation.
[00:19:23]  You guys need to create a team to do so.
[00:19:25]  And Devin was charged with that since he was the chair of House Intel.
[00:19:29]  So there was a lot of intelligence stuff and it seemed to be a good fit to go there.
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=== Private Public Government Collusion (15:27) ===

[00:21:08]  And so you guys start looking into this, and then Bob Mueller comes onto the scene in the spring of 17 after President Trump fires Comey, right?
[00:21:18]  And Paul Ryan and too many Republicans agreed to put Mueller on, all under this cloud of the multi.
[00:21:25]  What you're trying to tell me is the millions of dollars that Hillary Clinton pumped through was also maybe used to sweeten some journalists to write stories about this Russia thing, potentially, right?
[00:21:37]  I mean, this story was so totally artificial that then we got Bob Mueller out of.
[00:21:44]  Yeah.
[00:21:44]  And I would go one step further.
[00:21:46]  It's not even potentially.
[00:21:48]  It happened.
[00:21:48]  Look, we took 60 depositions under Chairman Nunes under oath.
[00:21:52]  They're all public now.
[00:21:53]  Adam Schiff didn't want them out, but Rick Brunnell and I declassified them two years later and we put them out.
[00:21:58]  They're online.
[00:21:59]  You can read the Sussman deposition that I took that's cited in the Durham indictment that says he was talking to members of the media at the behest of a client.
[00:22:07]  The client being the DNC, Fusion GPS doing the same thing, taking the same false dirt and going to media and saying, you guys got to put this story out.
[00:22:16]  And then here's the kicker.
[00:22:18]  Hillary Clinton and Jake Sullivan come in and tweet out information as if they've never heard of it before and say, look, President Trump has a secret back channel to Russia, if you remember this stuff, in the fall of 16.
[00:22:29]  And they were the ones paying for it.
[00:22:31]  They were the ones pretending to know nothing about it.
[00:22:34]  And then they had a willing media.
[00:22:35]  This is the stuff that mobs do, literally.
[00:22:37]  I mean, this is a mob cake.
[00:22:40]  It really is.
[00:22:41]  So let's now get to the present day.
[00:22:43]  That kind of sets the table.
[00:22:45]  You have been one of the few people that has been bullish.
[00:22:48]  Maybe I'm seeing it wrong on Durham and kind of how this is proceeding.
[00:22:54]  Talk about the indictment of Sussman and what you think that might lead to.
[00:22:59]  Yeah.
[00:22:59]  And let me just set the table real quick.
[00:23:02]  When I was running large-scale conspiracies or prosecutions, Charlie, these are cases that took me two, three, four years to conduct and to get to an indictment because that's just the amount of work that it takes.
[00:23:14]  Durham's on basically year two, and he's already issued two indictments.
[00:23:18]  I know that might not seem like a lot for people who aren't familiar with the criminal justice system, but that's moving pretty quickly for DOJ.
[00:23:24]  Not to mention, this is the biggest political scandal in U.S. history.
[00:23:29]  So he's taking his time.
[00:23:31]  Now, turning to the Sussman indictment, Sussman was the lawyer for the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC.
[00:23:38]  What Durham alleges in his indictment is that Michael Sussman lied to the FBI.
[00:23:44]  And usually that's a pretty short indictment.
[00:23:46]  That's a two to three pager.
[00:23:48]  I used to do them all the time.
[00:23:49]  He wrote a 27-page indictment.
[00:23:51]  And as you said, basically laying out a mob conspiracy.
[00:23:55]  He went so far as to put all this information in the public view because I believe it's what I would have done.
[00:24:00]  He knows there's more individuals involved in this conspiracy.
[00:24:04]  Michael Sussman wasn't the only player.
[00:24:06]  So do you think this is Durham going after the bagman to possibly get to somebody else?
[00:24:12]  Is this part of the strategy?
[00:24:14]  Yeah, you don't even have to be a lawyer to figure that one out for all your viewers.
[00:24:18]  Like you go after the easy target, you go after the case you can make.
[00:24:22]  And then when that guy's facing a federal prison sentence of five years, he's probably going to flip and say, I don't want to go to jail.
[00:24:29]  Not for anybody, not for Hillary Clinton or anyone.
[00:24:31]  I got a family.
[00:24:32]  I'm not going to prison.
[00:24:33]  And that guy starts turning information against, as we say, you flip up.
[00:24:37]  You get to the bigger fish by going up the ladder.
[00:24:40]  And I think that's what Durham is building here because he identified eight people, not by name in the indictment, but I can tell you who they are in that indictment because he wants the world to know Michael Sussman worked with all these people, got paid by all these people, and was dishonest to the FBI.
[00:24:57]  That's the kicker.
[00:24:58]  And the deposition he cites in the Sussman indictment is the one I took of Michael Sussman in 2017.
[00:25:05]  Personally, what do you mean he identified eight people?
[00:25:07]  Were they redacted or what do you mean?
[00:25:10]  Yeah.
[00:25:10]  So if you look at the indictment, the practice is you don't put people's name in there if they're not charged.
[00:25:15]  So it's like researcher number one, media company number two, things like that, generic labels, lawyer number two.
[00:25:23]  And I can tell you what I believe.
[00:25:24]  Lawyer number two is Mark Elias, I believe, Sussman's partner at the law firm who ran the entire DNC Hillary Clinton campaign stuff.
[00:25:32]  Media company is, I believe, Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson's operation that funneled this nonsense by getting paid from the DNC to the media.
[00:25:42]  And then the research companies are less important, but what is important is what they say in the indictment.
[00:25:47]  And this is what the guys who did the research said.
[00:25:50]  They said, our information that you want us to say is true, we don't think it's true.
[00:25:56]  And if you say it, you're basically committing a fraud.
[00:25:59]  That's how bad it is.
[00:26:00]  That's so helpful.
[00:26:01]  So I see this in two different categories.
[00:26:04]  I see this as the Hillary Clinton world, the Sussman.
[00:26:08]  And I don't know what to expect out of that.
[00:26:10]  I would hope to see Glenn Simpson and all them held accountable.
[00:26:13]  But the one that terrifies me more that I am very pessimistic is the abuse of government power is struck.
[00:26:21]  Paige, Comey, is there anything in the indictment to show that Durham is also focused on federal agents that broke the law?
[00:26:32]  I think so.
[00:26:33]  And because he cites James Baker so extensively, remember, there's, I don't know, 50, 100,000 people who work for the FBI, right?
[00:26:41]  James Baker isn't a lawyer in the FBI.
[00:26:43]  He's the lawyer.
[00:26:44]  He's the number one guy.
[00:26:46]  And Michael Sussman, if you and I tried to get an appointment with the FBI's general counsel, they'd laugh us out of the building and probably take seven years just to try to get a call back.
[00:26:54]  This guy put in one phone call to his buddy and walked right into the building and then pretended to be a good Samaritan and said, I'm not here on behalf of any client.
[00:27:03]  I'm just here because I've got these reports on Trump Russia's servers.
[00:27:06]  Please do something with them.
[00:27:08]  When I questioned him four years ago, he admitted he was working at the behest of a client.
[00:27:14]  And what Durham did brilliantly was identify the payment records, which show repeatedly Michael Sussman was doing that research for the Clinton campaign, which is where he got in trouble in the allegations in the indictment.
[00:27:28]  Yeah, go ahead.
[00:27:28]  No, please.
[00:27:29]  Sorry.
[00:27:30]  No, to your point about Strzok and Paige and McCabe and Comey, I agree.
[00:27:34]  What ticks America off more than anyone is the lack of accountability for those who think the government exists to serve them.
[00:27:40]  And that's these people.
[00:27:41]  And I do think he's going after them because of the way the indictment's laid out.
[00:27:45]  Sussman couldn't do this alone.
[00:27:47]  Baker couldn't do this alone.
[00:27:48]  And the only people that were involved in this investigation at that level were the ones you cited.
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[00:28:56]  And so here's, I suppose this is up for Durham to figure out, but at some point, there had to be a back channel, a wink and a nod, or somewhere something, it could have been Sussman, where this plan was hatched, where no one was taken by surprise by this, where the FBI knew that this was incoming, that this dossier was being created and concocted, that they were going to bring it in front of a judge, the FISA court judge.
[00:29:21]  There was like a triangulation, which would mean, based on what you're saying, a private, public, private government collusion, the likes of which I can't even think of an example of this.
[00:29:34]  I mean, there isn't one.
[00:29:36]  Where you have private, and by the way, it's what a perfect picture of where the country actually is, where you have private Goldman Sachs getting whatever they want from the Treasury Department, right?
[00:29:45]  I mean, it's a perfect example of like, yeah, of where we are as a country.
[00:29:49]  No, I think you're spot on.
[00:29:50]  And look, your assessment is actually, you've said it better than I think I ever have before.
[00:29:55]  So I might steal some of your lingo going forward.
[00:29:58]  But you're right.
[00:30:00]  The United States government teamed up with a political party and the mainstream media, not only to peddle a false narrative, but to take down a presidential candidate.
[00:30:10]  Can you just hit pause on that for a second?
[00:30:13]  And the political campaign paid the U.S. government to do so.
[00:30:17]  It's insane.
[00:30:18]  It's not even a mob indictment.
[00:30:20]  It's like if you wanted to rewrite The Departed to be this movie, you couldn't do it because it's so insane.
[00:30:25]  No, it would be not just indicting the mob.
[00:30:29]  It's also indicting the police commissioner and the local bureau chief and like everyone who's in charge, right?
[00:30:36]  This is, I don't, they'd have to just, I don't know if there's, I'm sure there's criminal code that deals with this.
[00:30:43]  So talk about how, and this is where my frustration is, right?
[00:30:47]  Where I have to, I walk through our production room every so often and they have CNN because they're gluttons for punishment on mute.
[00:30:54]  And Andrew McCabe is on every so often running his mouth, who of all the people I think who I just really believe he was in on it, it would be Andrew McCabe.
[00:31:04]  Talk about the person of Andrew McCabe.
[00:31:07]  Talk about how he squeaked out of this so far cleanly.
[00:31:11]  He's now a lecturer at some school, isn't he?
[00:31:13]  Connor?
[00:31:14]  He's a lecturer at Georgetown or something, whatever.
[00:31:16]  Talk about McCabe and how he was probably involved in this.
[00:31:19]  Man, I wish we had you on the New Nest team because you're saying everything I was saying and people are like, Cash, you're crazy.
[00:31:25]  And remember, I knew Andy McCabe from my DOJ days.
[00:31:27]  No, I didn't.
[00:31:27]  And when I called him.
[00:31:28]  I can see it in his eyes, man.
[00:31:29]  Sorry, go ahead.
[00:31:30]  Yeah, no, when I called him out back then about masterminding this thing, remember, this is the guy, yes.
[00:31:36]  And again, the text messages are public.
[00:31:38]  They hatched an insurance policy, Strzok and Page, Lisa Page, an insurance policy in Andy McCabe's office to prevent then-candidate Trump from winning.
[00:31:46]  This is the deputy director of the FBI and company hatching a plan to stop a presidential candidate, not because of good information, but because of bogus information.
[00:31:56]  So I agree.
[00:31:56]  I'm as ticked off as you are as Andy McCabe is.
[00:31:58]  But here's the thing: if you're if your viewers read nothing else and they don't want to rely on our report from or the Nunes memo or any of that stuff, read the summary of the IG report.
[00:32:09]  The inspector general came in after we uncovered all of this information and said, Okay, I'm going to interview Andy McCabe.
[00:32:16]  And the inspector general came in and said, Andy McCabe lied to the U.S. government during his investigation about his involvement with Russia Gate.
[00:32:26]  That's what the independent inspector general said.
[00:32:28]  Not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but him.
[00:32:31]  And Andy McCabe's deposition is available for everyone to read.
[00:32:34]  So I do hope that Durham's targeting him, but I understand why the evidence is going to be very tough to get him because he's not stupid, but he got caught once lying.
[00:32:44]  So his credibility for me is already shot.
[00:32:48]  And hopefully they're catching him.
[00:32:50]  Well, if you're on the left and you lie under oath, you just kind of get away with it.
[00:32:55]  Procedural crimes and process crimes on our side, they go after it harshly.
[00:32:59]  And so then we have James Comey, who he illegally leaked information to the press, if I'm not mistaken, or at least unethically.
[00:33:08]  I don't know if it actually broke the law.
[00:33:09]  I think it did, but you could tell me.
[00:33:11]  And is Comey going to get leaked looped into this?
[00:33:15]  Or that would be rather extraordinary if Durham did that.
[00:33:19]  And I think rather unlikely.
[00:33:21]  Yeah, I got to, unfortunately, I got to agree with you on that one.
[00:33:24]  I don't know that, you know, and Comey, as long as I've known him, and this is the one thing people have to understand, he, and I hate to admit it, but he's one of the smartest guys around.
[00:33:34]  He's no dummy, and he's very politically savvy, and he has the biggest ego on planet Earth.
[00:33:39]  So he's not going to leave a trail where you can find his breadcrumbs to connect to the Russiagate scandal.
[00:33:45]  And he's already tried to distance himself from his deputy, McCabe, and Lisa Page and Peter Strzok and all those guys.
[00:33:51]  But you're right.
[00:33:52]  I believe on the memos, or if you remember the Comey memos, the four memos he leaked himself, which I believe contain classified information, he can be brought up on charges for that.
[00:34:02]  Won't happen.
[00:34:02]  I agree with you, but it won't happen.
[00:34:04]  Yeah, it won't happen.
[00:34:05]  So, and then you have Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, the lovers.
[00:34:08]  Peter Strzok was allegedly the best spy catcher or whatever.
[00:34:12]  You know, they had this ridiculous bio for him.
[00:34:16]  And so, not we have all their text messages thanks to you and your hard work.
[00:34:23]  What are they a potential, or are they also in the untouchable class?
[00:34:28]  No, they're definitely a potential.
[00:34:29]  And here's what I'll tell you: if I were their lawyers, what I would be doing is have I would have been cooperating with the Durham investigation for the last 18 months if I was those two, if I was Lisa Page and Peter Strzzok.
[00:34:39]  That would be the smart play.
[00:34:41]  And I think, I believe they actually are because of the information Durham released in this indictment.
[00:34:47]  So, that potentially they are actively helping for some sort of a deal or whatever to try and give a carve-out for them to not go to jail.
[00:34:56]  Exactly.
[00:34:57]  That's what I believe.
[00:34:59]  And they might not get, if they successfully cooperate, then they don't get dinged as hard, but it's a trade-off.
[00:35:05]  You know, do you want to get the other guys or do you want to stop at the roadside?
[00:35:10]  Well, a conspiracy charge is interesting, though, Cash.
[00:35:13]  So, I want to ask you about this, and this is the obvious question that everyone's thinking.
[00:35:18]  And I'm somewhat cynical on this, but it's worth asking.
[00:35:21]  If Durham lays it out correctly and properly, a conspiracy charge, you can use, you know, the criminal statute better than I can.
[00:35:31]  I do, but they could loop in the top levels of the campaign then as well.
[00:35:37]  Is that correct?
[00:35:38]  Absolutely.
[00:35:39]  They could loop in anybody.
[00:35:40]  They can loop him in as an unindicted co-conspirator, co-conspirator, just say, hey, we don't have enough information to bring you to court, but we've got enough to allege that we think you did bad stuff.
[00:35:50]  Then you could also bring in the actual conspirators that you can prove and cite and name those guys.
[00:35:55]  That's when it gets really interesting.
[00:35:56]  So that's the key to this indictment, the sussmin indictment.
[00:35:59]  It's basically a conspiracy layout.
[00:36:02]  He's laid out eight different players, major players in this indictment, and he hasn't charged a conspiracy yet.
[00:36:09]  He's setting the table to do so, I believe.
[00:36:12]  And so that's why I think this indictment is truly important.
[00:36:15]  And the people you're talking about, I know were involved in this conspiracy to commit fraud on a FISA court and wrongfully go up on a presidential candidate.
[00:36:24]  And I think Durham's hip to that.
[00:36:26]  Well, I think that there's people that want to say, is Obama going to looped in Hillary?
[00:36:30]  Very unlikely, right?
[00:36:31]  No, that's I don't waste your time.
[00:36:33]  That's, you know, that's a pipe dream.

=== Setting the Table for Conspiracy (05:41) ===

[00:36:35]  We're not going to get there.
[00:36:36]  So, yeah, in the couple minutes we have remaining, what are the biggest things you've personally learned throughout this entire process about our government, about process, or just lessons for life?
[00:36:47]  Because you have, I mean, you've been battle-hardened by this.
[00:36:51]  So, look, I was fortunate to go on into the Trump administration.
[00:36:54]  I ran counterterrorism for him.
[00:36:56]  I was one of his top intelligence community officers.
[00:36:58]  And then I finished off at chief of staff at DOD running the Department of Defense for him.
[00:37:03]  And here's what I learned: for President Trump and for the people that he installed for the most part, the mission mattered more than anything else.
[00:37:13]  We didn't care about our name.
[00:37:14]  We didn't care what the media said about us.
[00:37:16]  We cared about what the president was elected to do.
[00:37:19]  And if you really want to serve, I know I can at least call out 12 guys and gals that I served with that served the president the way he should have been served.
[00:37:29]  They ended the forever wars.
[00:37:30]  They protected our border.
[00:37:31]  They got us a great economy.
[00:37:32]  They got us a COVID vaccine in six months.
[00:37:35]  Mind you, polio took seven years.
[00:37:37]  And we distributed it to the U.S. and the world.
[00:37:39]  Those are just a few examples.
[00:37:40]  But it doesn't matter how right you are if you work for President Trump.
[00:37:44]  That's the thing I learned the most.
[00:37:45]  The media doesn't care.
[00:37:47]  And Afghanistan is the, and I know we don't have time to talk about it, but it's the prime example.
[00:37:51]  We had a conditions-based withdrawal that I executed under President Trump where we lost zero service members.
[00:37:57]  Zero.
[00:37:58]  Biden comes in and his national security apparatus says we're going to do the opposite because Trump did it.
[00:38:03]  It didn't matter if it seceded.
[00:38:05]  Not only did we lose 13 service members and 13 caskets came home with American flags on them, but they took a drone strike and killed seven children in Afghanistan.
[00:38:14]  And they hid that from the United States.
[00:38:16]  And that's the thing that I think ticks off America the most.
[00:38:18]  And that's the thing that I learned the most that unfortunately there are still people out there who, like Millie and Austin, and Blinken, who will politicize the national security apparatus of the United States.
[00:38:30]  And that's the one thing we never did under President Trump.
[00:38:33]  We never did it.
[00:38:33]  We put the mission first.
[00:38:35]  I want to ask you about our government.
[00:38:37]  People ask me all the time about the deep state, and we've been talking about it pretty clearly.
[00:38:41]  We haven't identified it.
[00:38:43]  How real is it?
[00:38:44]  And what could potentially be done in future administrations to actually put a check and balance on the fourth branch of government?
[00:38:53]  Yeah.
[00:38:53]  So look, I've been in government.
[00:38:55]  I was in government for 16 years.
[00:38:57]  The overwhelming majority of people who sign up to serve are great.
[00:39:00]  But there's always going to be a bad few when you have millions of people working for the U.S. government.
[00:39:04]  It's just too big of a group, right?
[00:39:06]  So how do you fix it?
[00:39:07]  How do you address it?
[00:39:08]  Simple.
[00:39:09]  Personnel.
[00:39:10]  You got to get the personnel right.
[00:39:11]  And I don't just mean the cabinet secretaries.
[00:39:13]  I'm not just talking sex, state, sec, deaf, and all that.
[00:39:16]  Your undersecretaries, your deputies, your chiefs of staff.
[00:39:18]  And look, Charlie, you know this as well as I do.
[00:39:20]  We have that bench.
[00:39:22]  We just didn't identify him and put him in place in 2016.
[00:39:25]  Yeah, there was a big problem with the blue book and Chris Christie.
[00:39:28]  The whole thing was a mess.
[00:39:29]  It was a circus.
[00:39:30]  But yeah, it was.
[00:39:30]  So that's how you fixed it.
[00:39:31]  It's doable.
[00:39:32]  And hopefully in 2024, you and I are going in to go after it and fix it.
[00:39:37]  I won't be, I'll be cheering you on from afar.
[00:39:40]  I'll be nicely hosting radio from Phoenix, and you can make personnel is policy, as the great Morton Blackwell would say many times, which is true.
[00:39:50]  Who you have in these positions really matter.
[00:39:52]  So, Cash, you mentioned it earlier, and I'm sure our audience is impressed with how you've laid all this out.
[00:39:57]  Just be specific on how the media lied about you and how you're fighting back with fightwithcash.com.
[00:40:05]  Sure.
[00:40:05]  So, the crux of the matter is, and you can read all about it in depth on the website, but they basically called me, and the pleadings are public in all these cases, so you guys, everybody can see them.
[00:40:15]  They basically call me Trump's Ukraine whisperer.
[00:40:18]  Like, I was secretly meeting with President Trump and telling him stuff about the Ukraine.
[00:40:23]  It's hilarious because it never happened.
[00:40:25]  And the people that said they saw me doing this admitted in public to saying they've never met me.
[00:40:30]  And I've never had anything to do with the Ukraine in my life.
[00:40:33]  I was a counterterrorism guy for the president, chasing around terrorists, killing Baghdadi, and things like that, and bringing home American hostages.
[00:40:39]  I probably at that time couldn't put Ukraine on a map, no offense.
[00:40:43]  I just, it wasn't my area of focus.
[00:40:45]  And that was it.
[00:40:47]  And I said, enough's enough.
[00:40:48]  You guys just injected me into an international impeachment hoax.
[00:40:52]  And it's totally false.
[00:40:54]  So I'm fighting back.
[00:40:55]  And that gained traction.
[00:40:56]  And now I'm fighting back for everybody else who was hit falsely and deplatformed.
[00:41:01]  And, you know, join the fight.
[00:41:03]  We'd love to help you.
[00:41:03]  How are your cases going?
[00:41:05]  Good.
[00:41:06]  I've got three filed and served, and pleadings are served.
[00:41:10]  And COVID slowed them down a little bit, but we've got court dates coming up for all three.
[00:41:14]  So we'll keep you posted and we'll put up updates on our website too.
[00:41:18]  Well, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to settle sometime very soon.
[00:41:23]  And they try to.
[00:41:24]  They can try, but it ain't happening.
[00:41:26]  Yeah, they got plenty of resources.
[00:41:27]  That's for sure.
[00:41:28]  It's fightwithcash.com.
[00:41:30]  Cash, you're doing amazing work.
[00:41:32]  A lot of people on the other side can't stand the fact that you won't let up, which is exactly why you have a perpetual invite here on this program to come back anytime you need it.
[00:41:43]  So I really enjoyed this, and I hope this, I hope that a conspiracy charge comes very soon against all these criminals that did this against our country.
[00:41:52]  Thanks so much, Charlie.
[00:41:53]  And I'll come back and talk to you when it pops from Durham.
[00:41:55]  You bet, Cash.
[00:41:56]  All right.
[00:41:56]  Thanks so much.
[00:41:57]  Talk to you soon.
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