The Charlie Kirk Show - Flash Episode—Senator Rand Paul Joins the Show
Aired: 2021-08-24
Duration: 17:42


=== Protect Yourself With The Vaccine (09:10) ===

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, on this flash episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, Rand Paul joins our program to talk about the vaccine, the surveillance state, and Afghanistan.
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[00:02:11]  Hey, everybody.
[00:02:12]  Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:02:14]  With us today is a friend of mine and quite honestly, the only senator that I believe has been fighting for our liberty against the medical deep state, a doctor himself, Senator Rand Paul.
[00:02:26]  Senator, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:02:28]  Thanks for having me, Charlie.
[00:02:29]  So, Senator, the FDA has just approved the Pfizer vaccine.
[00:02:34]  It seems like that is rushed.
[00:02:36]  There's a lot of different opinions being offered about this.
[00:02:39]  From your own medical expertise, what is your opinion of this?
[00:02:44]  I think when you decide to take any kind of medicine, you weigh the risks of the medicine versus the risks of the disease.
[00:02:50]  So really, it depends on how old you are.
[00:02:52]  I mean, if you're over 65, I think the risks of dying from COVID are pretty high.
[00:02:57]  And I think the risks of the vaccine are pretty low in comparison.
[00:03:00]  So over 65, I would take the vaccine.
[00:03:03]  I think if you're overweight at almost any age, but particularly overweight and over 40, I think the risks of the disease are worse than the actual vaccine.
[00:03:12]  The other thing is, is that I also would test whether I've been infected.
[00:03:16]  So I'm 58 years old and I might be inclined to, well, I'm a little overweight, maybe, but I'm not obese.
[00:03:23]  But I would probably still take the vaccine had I not already had it.
[00:03:27]  But I know I had it.
[00:03:28]  I know I had antibody response.
[00:03:30]  And the thing is, is all the studies show that natural infection is at least as good as the vaccine.
[00:03:36]  Some studies are actually showing that natural infection may be better against some of the variants.
[00:03:41]  But the bottom line is, is we should all be allowed the freedom to make this decision, and it should be based on facts.
[00:03:47]  Dr. Fauci and the elitists and the Biden administration, they don't want anybody to think about the facts.
[00:03:53]  The facts be damned.
[00:03:55]  They don't care whether you've had it or not.
[00:03:56]  They just want you to submit.
[00:03:58]  It's more about the collective.
[00:04:00]  It's about the beehive.
[00:04:01]  It's not about the individual.
[00:04:03]  And if you ever hear Fauci mention individual rights, he's very, very dismissive.
[00:04:08]  And he thinks we ought to just listen to him.
[00:04:10]  You know, do as you're told and don't pipe up with any, you know, troublesome questions.
[00:04:16]  He just wants you to do as you're told.
[00:04:18]  But that's not the tradition of America and it's not the tradition of science.
[00:04:22]  Typically, medical care is individualized.
[00:04:25]  So I think each individual ought to make a decision.
[00:04:28]  And while I give advice on who I think ought to take it, I haven't told anybody not to take it.
[00:04:33]  And so I think that people need to be able to make their decision.
[00:04:36]  Look, 90% of people over 65 have taken the vaccine.
[00:04:40]  That's extraordinary.
[00:04:42]  They all acted in their own self-interest and took it.
[00:04:44]  But the thing is, does that mean we have to force every five-year-old or every 10-year-old in our country to take it?
[00:04:50]  I don't agree with that.
[00:04:52]  And most of that is because we're ignoring natural immunity.
[00:04:55]  There's about 100 million or more Americans who have now had COVID.
[00:04:59]  Every day there's more.
[00:05:01]  You know, I see people, I have a good supporter this week where he and his wife both have it.
[00:05:06]  They're in their 80s and they were vaccinated.
[00:05:09]  So, you know, all this shaming of people who are unvaccinated, it's like, really, let's just let every individual make the decision, not shame people.
[00:05:17]  And if someone should get sick and die, and people do.
[00:05:20]  Vaccinated people have died, unvaccinated people have died.
[00:05:23]  But it's like this whole idea that people think it's funny to make fun.
[00:05:27]  We had an conservative announcer in Nashville who died from COVID.
[00:05:32]  And the left-wing people, the vitriol and hatred, it's like, I would never think of glorifying someone's death if I disagreed with their politics or disagree with their medical decision making.
[00:05:42]  But I'm horrified and I'm repulsed by people on the left, Martina Navitrilova, tweeting out, you know, just despicable, oh, yeah, you know, she just thinks it's, you know, sorry, so sorry.
[00:05:54]  She thinks it's hilarious that this man died.
[00:05:58]  And, you know, his whole life is sort of pushed into liberals making it all about whether you choose to get vaccinated or not.
[00:06:04]  And I just despise these people for it.
[00:06:07]  Yeah, Phil Valentin from Tennessee.
[00:06:09]  And so, Senator, I want to thank you for your stance on that because you have been so clear and courageous.
[00:06:15]  And so many people in the Republican Party seem to be unnecessarily peddling a mandated vaccine.
[00:06:21]  And that's one thing I want to ask you about when it comes to the expert class.
[00:06:26]  You have challenged the medical deep state, just like you challenged the surveillance deep state, which has every prediction you made about the NSA has come true and the CIA and the FBI and their abuse of power.
[00:06:38]  But it seems like that same sort of those same sort of characteristics are now within the NIH and CDC.
[00:06:44]  Can you talk about how big government is now big medicine or big health, which is something that those of us that really weren't into it never really realized?
[00:06:54]  You know, anytime you centralize power or decision-making, there's a danger for authoritarianism.
[00:07:00]  It's really what we resisted going back all the way to Magna Carta.
[00:07:04]  It was the resistance of centralized power and having too much power in one hands.
[00:07:09]  And so the history of our constitution and of constitutional government is separating the powers, whether it's governors or presidents.
[00:07:15]  We have legislators to check and balance their powers.
[00:07:18]  So this is incredibly important.
[00:07:20]  And as we go forward, whether it's medicine or anything else or the intelligence agencies, too much power has gravitated into one hands and has been left unchecked.
[00:07:29]  For example, what the intelligence community did to Donald Trump to spy on his campaign, the thing is, is what happened to the good people on the left who are doubtful of the intelligence commissions during the community during the 1960s when they spied on civil rights leaders and they spied on Vietnam War protesters.
[00:07:47]  The left came together and said this was horrible.
[00:07:50]  But when the government intelligence agency spied on Donald Trump, they all said, oh, well, we don't really care because we don't like Donald Trump.
[00:07:57]  And I'm still looking for some consistency on the left.
[00:08:01]  Same with speech.
[00:08:02]  Where are the good defenders of freedom of speech on the left?
[00:08:05]  There are a few.
[00:08:06]  Glenn Greenwald has been amazing on the issue of freedom of speech, but many on the left.
[00:08:11]  I mean, it's amazing.
[00:08:12]  The Democrat Party now wants to have more censorship of your speech on Facebook.
[00:08:17]  If you doubt whether or not a newborn ought to be forced to be vaccinated, that's somehow disinformation.
[00:08:23]  And you're going to be, you know, according to Amy Klovichar and her minions, they want to control what speech is on there and they know the truth, but nobody else knows the truth.
[00:08:31]  But you'll know it if Amy Klovichar agrees with you.
[00:08:35]  Yeah, so I think we need to bring back the church and pike committees and have it the Paul and Lee committee because we need to bring these intelligence agencies to heal.
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=== Ending The Afghanistan War (08:32) ===

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[00:09:33]  I want to talk about Afghanistan.
[00:09:36]  It is long past time that we ended the war in Afghanistan.
[00:09:39]  The question is, how would we end it?
[00:09:41]  Which it seems as if this was done recklessly and imprudently.
[00:09:44]  Can you talk about how we need to resist the calls to get re-engaged in the region because of how terrible this was handled?
[00:09:51]  Because that's my fear, Senator, is that there was a consensus to withdraw.
[00:09:55]  And now, because of how terrible this was handled, all of a sudden this might give some of the neoconservatives a little bit more room to try to reinvade some sort of Arab nation.
[00:10:06]  Well, history will teach us lessons if we're willing to listen and we're willing to learn.
[00:10:11]  But the lesson here is not that we left too soon, but that we stayed too long.
[00:10:16]  I think there was a certain inevitability to some degree of chaos in leaving.
[00:10:20]  I think they probably can't imagine any worse chaos than the Biden administration's execution of leaving.
[00:10:26]  But that being said, staying there another 10 years made it worse.
[00:10:30]  So 10 years ago, there might have been less chaos.
[00:10:32]  15 years ago, there'd be even less chaos.
[00:10:35]  Imagine this.
[00:10:36]  Imagine that we went in and then three months got rid of the Taliban government, and then we had decided just to hunt terrorists.
[00:10:42]  You know, we hunted bin Laden for another eight or nine years.
[00:10:46]  We could have still done that without occupying the country and every village in Afghanistan.
[00:10:50]  And maybe gradually there would have been a fighting force that would have developed.
[00:10:54]  But we went in and did the fighting.
[00:10:56]  We did all of the fighting.
[00:10:57]  In fact, it turns out that they're not willing to fight at all for their country.
[00:11:01]  Now people want to admit tens of thousands of Afghans to our country.
[00:11:04]  And I'm like, well, aren't you just admitting defeat and surrender by bringing all the Western English-speaking folks, the people who are pro-West out of Afghanistan?
[00:11:13]  There'll be nothing left but the Taliban.
[00:11:16]  So I knew a month or two ago that something was up when everybody said, oh, we've got to get out 20,000 interpreters and all their family.
[00:11:23]  We're going to take 70,000 people before the Taliban took over.
[00:11:27]  It's like, you guys are just admitting defeat.
[00:11:29]  It's sort of like, you remember in 1812, they come into Washington, D.C., they burn the White House, they burn the Capitol.
[00:11:37]  Did we run to France?
[00:11:38]  Did James Madison get on the first plane to France?
[00:11:41]  No, we stayed and we fought.
[00:11:43]  Eventually, we fought and regained our freedom again and repulsed the British.
[00:11:47]  But my goodness, the president flees?
[00:11:50]  They all throw down their arms.
[00:11:51]  The Taliban are all wearing our uniforms.
[00:11:52]  How insulting.
[00:11:54]  Do you know when the Taliban flew back from Qatar?
[00:11:56]  They flew back on an American Air Force plane.
[00:12:01]  It was owned by the Qataris.
[00:12:02]  Once again, why the hell are we selling all these planes to everybody in the world?
[00:12:07]  And then they're using them to fly the Taliban around.
[00:12:10]  But it's disgusting.
[00:12:11]  The Taliban will now rule with our arms, our uniforms, our Humvees, probably our tanks, hopefully not our planes.
[00:12:19]  But what a disaster.
[00:12:21]  But the lesson to be learned here is nation building doesn't work.
[00:12:23]  We spent hundreds of billions of dollars there and it did not work.
[00:12:28]  So let's don't ever try this again.
[00:12:31]  Yeah, so just a quick follow-up on that, Senator.
[00:12:34]  The lesson that I really hope our generation takes from this is that there are unintended consequences to all of this.
[00:12:41]  And, you know, you've sponsored bills and you've done committees and you've published reports that we're fighting our own weapons a lot of times, that it sounds nice to go sell weapons to the Syrian rebels.
[00:12:51]  And then all of a sudden you find out that we're now getting missiles that we developed in our own country.
[00:12:58]  Doesn't that take a certain amount of humility, though, for our leaders and for the military-industrial complex that they don't have?
[00:13:04]  They feel as if they could play war games with people from Middle America and our own tax dollars in regions halfway around the world.
[00:13:12]  We should learn lessons from history because time and time again, we've given weapons to people we thought were our friends, only to have that government toppled and the people who are not our friends take the weapons.
[00:13:22]  It happened when the Shah was toppled.
[00:13:24]  It happened throughout the Middle East every time.
[00:13:28]  And so the thing is, is that we also go in in a naive way, we say, oh, we're going to support the moderate rebels in Syria.
[00:13:34]  Well, it turns out the only people fighting very hard in Syria were not the doctors and dentists.
[00:13:39]  It was the al-Nusra, the Al-Qaeda, the people who hate us just as much as they hated ISIS.
[00:13:45]  In fact, they never were sure who they hated more.
[00:13:48]  But yeah, we don't seem to learn our lesson.
[00:13:50]  But if we could not create a nation in Afghanistan after 20 years and hundreds of billions and they're not willing to fight, it's like now the left in Washington is like, oh, we have to go back to Afghanistan and fight for women's rights.
[00:14:02]  Well, how come the families of the women over there don't fight?
[00:14:06]  How come they throw down their arms?
[00:14:07]  They want us to go back and lay our lives on the line for them when they're not willing to fight.
[00:14:11]  And then they say, oh, we want to come to America.
[00:14:13]  It's a lot safer in America.
[00:14:14]  Well, yeah, because we fought for our country.
[00:14:17]  Go back and fight for your country is what I say.
[00:14:20]  I couldn't agree more.
[00:14:21]  And unfortunately, there's a consensus, a bipartisan consensus in D.C.
[00:14:26]  And you stand apart from that to try and break the country and then bring people into this country and only creates more turmoil.
[00:14:34]  Senator, I want to finish by asking you about Washington, D.C.'s current addiction to spending.
[00:14:38]  It seems as if 18 Republicans or 19 Republicans just are looking for excuses to spend trillions of dollars we do not have.
[00:14:45]  And now there's a looming $3.5 trillion spending bill.
[00:14:48]  I'm sure you're a no on that.
[00:14:50]  But can you talk about the infrastructure bill and kind of how that all went down?
[00:14:53]  I was stunned to see so many Republicans support it.
[00:14:57]  Well, they convinced themselves somehow that this was going to be less bad than having it all in one package.
[00:15:03]  But Nancy Pelosi from the beginning said it was a twofer.
[00:15:06]  It was a two-for-one.
[00:15:08]  And she's still saying that.
[00:15:09]  You don't even get the infrastructure bill unless you pass the big socialist grab bag of $3.5 trillion worth of debt.
[00:15:16]  So the thing is, is that it always has been one big package.
[00:15:20]  It's enormous.
[00:15:21]  It's going to be four or five trillion dollars of additional debt.
[00:15:24]  Some estimate more.
[00:15:26]  And so the problem is they couldn't do it without Republican complicity.
[00:15:31]  And 18 big government Republicans in the Senate voted with them.
[00:15:35]  I'm sure some big government Republicans will vote for it in the House.
[00:15:39]  But the thing is, is that if they had to do this on a simple Republican Democrat vote in the Senate, which they still could, and the vice president would break the tie, then they would own it.
[00:15:49]  Instead, now it's a mixed bag.
[00:15:51]  They're going to say, oh, it's a bipartisan package.
[00:15:53]  The public will be confused over which part of the package some Republicans voted for, which part of the package some Republicans voted against.
[00:16:00]  This is why we have primaries.
[00:16:01]  We need more conservative Republicans.
[00:16:04]  This is why people need to be aware of which Republicans voted to impeach President Trump on trumped-up charges, basically.
[00:16:12]  The charges were not something deserving of impeachment.
[00:16:15]  And yet we lost Republicans on this who deserted their president.
[00:16:19]  So I think that primaries are important and we'll see what happens.
[00:16:23]  And it's important that we find the best candidates in the primaries as we move forward towards 2022.
[00:16:28]  Yeah, just really quick, any in particular, Senator, that you're looking at that you're involved in that you're endorsing?
[00:16:33]  Because we get these questions all the time from our listeners.
[00:16:36]  The two worst in the House and that need to go are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, probably in no worse representatives that I know of in the House.
[00:16:44]  They were never Trumpers, but they're also forever warmongers.
[00:16:48]  And so they got to go hand in hand.
[00:16:50]  And people need to realize that the people who have been the strongest, never Trumpers, have also been the most for a forever war.
[00:16:55]  Those are two we're going to work hard to make sure that they don't come back again.
[00:17:00]  And I think we have a real shot.
[00:17:01]  Wyoming's very Republican, and I think that quite a few people are going to be unhappy with Liz Cheney voting to continue all the wars, but also voting to impeach the president.
[00:17:11]  And just all of her nastiness around that.
[00:17:13]  Well, Senator, thank you for what you're doing.
[00:17:15]  And in the next hearing, give Fauci our best and keep on challenging him with true facts.
[00:17:20]  So we appreciate it.
[00:17:21]  Senator, great to see you.
[00:17:22]  Thank you.
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