The Charlie Kirk Show - Exposing the Lies of America's Race Hustlers with Larry Elder
Aired: 2021-06-04
Duration: 42:28


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[00:02:12]  Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:02:15]  Back with us is one of my favorite guests and a friend of mine, Larry Elder, who is also a Salem Radio Network host and just a terrific guy.
[00:02:24]  Larry, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:02:26]  Charlie, thank you so much for having me.
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[00:02:29]  You are perfectly dressed.
[00:02:31]  I think I am underdressed, but at the same time.
[00:02:34]  Hey, I got to put on a student tie as Charlie.

=== The Systemic Racism Lie (08:18) ===

[00:02:37]  That's right.
[00:02:37]  Well, you're very kind.
[00:02:39]  So, Larry, I wish we could talk about other topics, but it seems that the left wants to start a race war in our country.
[00:02:45]  And over the last year, we've seen the rise of BLM Incorporated.
[00:02:48]  We saw it well before that, but they had a rather roller coaster year.
[00:02:53]  What would you say is the state of affairs with BLM and what they're trying to do?
[00:02:58]  Do you think that we've made some progress in properly categorizing them?
[00:03:02]  There are polls that show that they're less popular than ever before.
[00:03:06]  Take it over.
[00:03:07]  Well, the whole premise, of course, behind Black Lives Matter is that America is systemically racist.
[00:03:13]  And what really gave the movement a lot of juice was after Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson.
[00:03:18]  And of course, Michael Brown did not have his hands up to not say don't shoot.
[00:03:22]  The officer who was involved was completely exonerated.
[00:03:25]  And the big takeaway as far as Black Lives Matter is concerned is that the Obama administration determined that the Ferguson PD was, quote, institutionally racist, close quote.
[00:03:33]  How did they make that determination?
[00:03:34]  Well, Ferguson is 67% black, and 85% of those who are pulled over in Traffic Stops are black.
[00:03:40]  18-point Gap Ergo of this predominantly white police station is engaging in systemic racism, according to the Obama administration.
[00:03:47]  The problem with that, Charlie, is that let's go across the coast and look at the NYPD, which is majority minority.
[00:03:53]  25% of the people living in New York are black.
[00:03:56]  55% of those pulled over in Traffic Stopped are black.
[00:03:59]  A 30-point gap, a bigger gap than the gap in Ferguson, yet the NYPD is majority people of color, which shows you that that stat is completely, totally useless.
[00:04:08]  It doesn't tell you anything about race of offending.
[00:04:10]  And during the Obama administration, they did a study called Race and Traffic Stop, came out in 2013, and it turned out that blacks were, in fact, disproportionately pulled over compared to whites.
[00:04:20]  It is also true that you name the traffic offense, whether it's speeding, driving without a license, driving without headlights on, driving with a retired tag, driving without a proper child safety seat in the back.
[00:04:35]  You name the offense, a black motorist was more likely to commit it than a white motorist.
[00:04:39]  And the Obama administration concluded that the disproportionate stops had to do with, quote, legitimate factors, close quote.
[00:04:45]  The whole narrative, Charlie, is a lie.
[00:04:48]  And some lies are innocent.
[00:04:49]  For example, most people believe if you put a frog in a pot of water and bring the water up very, very slowly till it's boiling hot, the frog will die.
[00:04:57]  It's not true.
[00:04:59]  When the water gets hot, the frog jumps out.
[00:05:01]  The fact that a lot of people believe that is neither here nor there.
[00:05:04]  The fact that a lot of people believe the systemic racism lie is a big here and or there because what happens is officers pull back after being falsely accused of racism.
[00:05:12]  Bad guys know it.
[00:05:14]  They act out.
[00:05:14]  The people who are hurt, of course, are the very black and brown people that the Black Lives Matter proponents claim that they care about.
[00:05:21]  And the other thing that happens, Charlie, is this.
[00:05:23]  If you're a young black man and you're given a steady diet of racism, you're told by people like Barack Obama that racism is in America's DNA.
[00:05:32]  You're told by people like Eric Holder that America engages in pernicious racism.
[00:05:37]  Why shouldn't you believe that when you're being pulled over, the cop's going to do something bad to you?
[00:05:41]  Why should you cooperate?
[00:05:42]  Why should you comply?
[00:05:43]  And as a result, virtually every single one of these incidents that would have been avoided had the suspect/slash civilian complied ended up becoming DEF CON one, largely because young black men are being told falsely that the cops are out to get them.
[00:05:57]  And so, and even also, Larry, it's important to note, which is blacks are more likely to commit crimes in the sense that not because of their color of their skin, but because of lower socioeconomic conditions, which you and I have talked about.
[00:06:11]  But is there some truth, Larry, that they're actually, it's not that they're pulled over more because they're black, it's more police encounters and more police interactions.
[00:06:23]  And that statistic that used in Ferguson, for example, and then you compare it with New York City, which is a phenomenal way of framing it, that this has very little to do with race at all, actually.
[00:06:33]  And Heather McDonald has talked a lot about this.
[00:06:35]  Can you talk about how we should look just more broadly than just the color of people's skin, but socioeconomic factors, fatherlessness?
[00:06:43]  Because it seems we have such a sloppy discussion when it comes to this.
[00:06:48]  Absolutely.
[00:06:49]  Let's just talk about George Floyd for a second.
[00:06:51]  We've had four months, as you know, of protests in the streets, including riots, including instances where people were killed, all because of the assumption that whatever happened to George Floyd happened because Derek Chauvin is a racist.
[00:07:04]  Well, after the conviction of Derek Chauvin, the Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison, who brought the charges, was asked by CBS whether or not race had anything to do with it.
[00:07:13]  Why didn't you bring hate charges?
[00:07:15]  And he said, if we could have determined that race was a factor, we would have brought charges.
[00:07:19]  We could not determine that race was a factor at all in what Derek Chauvin did.
[00:07:24]  Well, do you think the people in the streets are upset because of a bad police tactic, or are they upset because what they perceived to be another instances of another example of systemic racism?
[00:07:34]  And the answer is door number two.
[00:07:36]  Well, the AG just told you that race had nothing to do with what Derek Chauvin did.
[00:07:40]  Isn't that good news?
[00:07:42]  Doesn't that mean we're having a discussion now about police tactics as opposed to about systemic racism?
[00:07:47]  The whole thing, again, is a lie.
[00:07:49]  You know, I was just reading an interview that Barack Obama did with the New York Times.
[00:07:53]  And Obama said, you know, there was a time when I was running in 2007, 2008, when I could go to a small southern town.
[00:08:00]  And while I have a funny last name and while my middle name is Hussein, I was still able to get a hearing.
[00:08:05]  And usually what would happen is they would write a nice piece after I left and said, well, the guy is left-wing.
[00:08:10]  I won't vote for him, but he was a nice man.
[00:08:11]  You can't do that now because of Fox News.
[00:08:14]  I almost lost my oatmeal, Charlie.
[00:08:17]  Is this guy this oblivious to the fact that they've got ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, virtually all the major professional associations, whether it's the American Bar Association or the American Medical Association, the NBA, all of big tech, New York Times, LA Times, I could go on and on and on.
[00:08:36]  And this guy is so oblivious, he believes that the fact that Fox News and conservative radio exist means that conservatives therefore are completely, totally misled about everything.
[00:08:46]  This guy has no clue that 83% of Democrats believe that Donald Trump is a racist.
[00:08:54]  How does that happen, Charlie?
[00:08:55]  How does it happen that 61% of Democrats believe that all Republicans are racist, sexist, bigoted, where only half that number of Republicans feel that way about Democrats?
[00:09:05]  How does it happen that if you are a freshman in Dartmouth and you're a liberal, you're more likely to say you don't want to room with a conservative than a conservative said that about a liberal?
[00:09:14]  How does that happen, Barack Obama?
[00:09:16]  How do we have a country where half the people in the country believe the other half is racist, bigoted, and sexist, but for a corrupt media that you are clueless about?
[00:09:25]  He's mad about Fox News, but he's not mad about the fact that Hillary for four years had been running around the country, Charlie, telling anybody who will listen that the 2016 election was stolen.
[00:09:34]  She's used the S-word, stolen.
[00:09:36]  She referred to Donald Trump as illegitimate to the point where two-thirds, two-thirds of Democrats incorrectly believe that the Russians changed vote tally.
[00:09:45]  The Intel report and Jay Johnson, Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security, all said that there's zero evidence that the Russians changed a single vote tally, yet two-thirds of Democrats believe that they did.
[00:09:57]  78% of Democrats, according to Gallup, believe that the Russians changed the outcome of the election, even though our Intel community says we can't determine that one way or the other.
[00:10:06]  So who has been spreading a big lie that has gotten a bunch of people believing things that are false?
[00:10:11]  Democrats are Republicans, yet Hillary's Facebook has not been shut down.
[00:10:15]  Hillary's Twitter has not been shut down.
[00:10:17]  She's been promoting a big lie that Republicans, that Democrats have fallen for, hook, line, and sinker, absolutely zero consequences.
[00:10:24]  But Donald Trump is considered to be a big liar, and his social media has been shut down because of this.
[00:10:29]  This is just such BS, Charlie.
[00:10:30]  I don't know what to say.
[00:10:31]  I don't know where to go.
[00:10:32]  Well, and Larry, as long as I have a platform, I'm going to keep on just helping you however you can, because you are one of the few people that just tell it straight on this stuff.
[00:10:40]  Because you understand that we're living in this artificial simulation of trying to turn people against each other, being outraged about things that don't actually matter.
[00:10:49]  Now, outrage can be helpful if there's something worthy to be outraged about.

=== Why Black Teens Are Outraged (02:22) ===

[00:10:55]  But those are very rare.
[00:10:57]  Another example about Obama, because Obama, Charlie, is the most influential, the most powerful black man in America.
[00:11:04]  And he knows everything you and I are saying is true.
[00:11:07]  I know that he knows that because I remember reading in either Newsweek or Time, I forget which one, a very long piece when Senator Obama decided to run.
[00:11:15]  And he brought in all of his homies, David Clough, Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, all his advisors to ask whether or not he ought to run.
[00:11:22]  And they said in this hours-long meeting, race never came up.
[00:11:28]  And Charlie, that's because Obama doesn't think of himself as a black man.
[00:11:31]  Obama thinks of himself as Barack Hussein Obama, bad dude, the guy that ran for and got elected president of the Harvard Law Review, the guy that ran that wrote an autobiography in his 20s.
[00:11:42]  He thinks of himself as a world beater because he is.
[00:11:45]  He doesn't think of himself as a black man oppressed.
[00:11:48]  He knows everything you and I are saying is true.
[00:11:51]  One of the last times I was on CNN, Charlie, I talked about a study poll that CNN did with Time Magazine, 1997, of black teens and white teens.
[00:12:01]  And both were asked whether racism is a major problem in America.
[00:12:04]  And not too surprisingly, both said yes.
[00:12:06]  But then they did a follow-up question, which nobody had ever done before.
[00:12:09]  They asked the black teens, Charlie, whether racism was a big problem, a small problem, or no problem in their own daily life.
[00:12:15]  1997.
[00:12:16]  89% of black teens said racism is either a small problem or no problem in my own daily life.
[00:12:22]  In fact, more black teens than white teens said, quote, failure to take advantage of available opportunities is a bigger problem than racism.
[00:12:31]  More black teens said yes to that than did white teens.
[00:12:34]  The biggest problem in America is not systemic racism, it's systemic fatherlessness.
[00:12:38]  And what we've done in the last 50, 60 years is incentivize women to marry the government, incentivize men to abandon their financial and moral responsibility to the point now where we have 70% of black kids raised without fathers.
[00:12:49]  And Obama once said a kid without a father raised without a father is five times more likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in jail.
[00:13:00]  Now, we ought to be having a conversation of how we go from having 25% of black kids born outside of wedlock in 1965 when America was clearly more racist than it is right now to 70% right now.
[00:13:10]  And we're not even having that discussion because the left doesn't want to, because that would cause them to rethink their entire philosophy about life, and they cannot do that.

=== Data Caps and Streaming Throttles (03:17) ===

[00:13:18]  Right.
[00:13:18]  And so that's what I really want to focus on.
[00:13:20]  There's so many different ways we could take this.
[00:13:22]  In a lot of different ways, we're almost playing in Angela Davis's world.
[00:13:26]  You know, Angela Davis.
[00:13:28]  She's been on this for you.
[00:13:31]  I'm laughing, Charlie, because I just got a text from a friend of mine about four or five days ago about a speech that Angela Davis gave at UC Davis in 2006.
[00:13:41]  And I played part of it on my show on Friday.
[00:13:44]  And honestly, this woman is completely, totally unhinged.
[00:13:49]  She gave a defense of socialism, called it thwarted.
[00:13:52]  The only reason it didn't work is because the dastardly capitalists thwarted it.
[00:13:56]  And I'm thinking about her speech, Charlie.
[00:13:59]  And you look at the squad.
[00:14:00]  These are members probably in their early to mid-30s.
[00:14:03]  They were 15, 16, 17 years old when people like Angela Davis gave speeches at colleges and high schools.
[00:14:11]  So they heard all this crap.
[00:14:13]  They heard all of this systemic racism nonsense.
[00:14:15]  They heard all of this unequal nonsense because of capitalism.
[00:14:20]  And so now we have a bunch of adults, people in positions of responsibility like AOC, like Ayana Presley, like Ilon Omar.
[00:14:27]  They grew up with this nonsense and now they are advancing public policy along those lines.
[00:14:32]  It is really, really scary.
[00:14:34]  I call it the excess of indoctrination.
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[00:16:18]  Larry, you remember back about 10 years ago where we made Saul Linsky famous and then we made George Soros famous, where we explained to our audiences who's behind this.
[00:16:27]  Angela Davis is a major driver behind this.
[00:16:29]  And I think we need to make her more famous because, as you said, she's 77 years old.

=== Fathers, Values, and Crime Rates (15:34) ===

[00:16:35]  She's been, she was a disciple, a student of Herbert Marcuse, who's the original critical race theorist.
[00:16:41]  And so you're right, Larry, because Obama was not a student of Marcuse.
[00:16:44]  He wasn't.
[00:16:46]  Obama was a student of Alinsky.
[00:16:48]  Obama was a little bit skeptical that the racial issue could actually ever get him elected, which is why he thought of himself less as a black man and more as just someone as an insurgent working as a Marxist.
[00:17:01]  Angela Davis said, no, we need to focus on skin color.
[00:17:04]  Can you talk about, Larry, how our entire American discussion has changed so much?
[00:17:09]  It's not to say that the left was like Jesse Jackson tried this and Al Sharpton tried this, but it's at levels we've never seen it before, Larry, right?
[00:17:17]  That it really is.
[00:17:19]  And can you unpack that?
[00:17:21]  You know, when Obama got elected in 2008, Charlie, I'm old school.
[00:17:26]  I had the New York Times and the LA Times at the time still thrown to my house.
[00:17:30]  So I go to my front door, I bend over, and I look at these front page of these news newspapers, color photographs of black men and women hugging their children, crying, saying, now, now I can say with a straight face that you can be anything you want to be in America.
[00:17:44]  And I said to myself, wow, what would have happened had Obama lost?
[00:17:48]  What would they have told their kids then?
[00:17:50]  Obama said that racism is in America's DNA.
[00:17:53]  He said that after he got elected.
[00:17:55]  In 1938, I think it was the first time, from 1958, first time that Gallup ever asked white Americans, would you vote for a black person for president?
[00:18:04]  Only 37% said yes.
[00:18:06]  Fast forward, Charlie, only 3 or 4% now said they would not.
[00:18:10]  It is no longer an issue in America, yet Obama said racism is in America's DNA.
[00:18:16]  How does it, if racism is in America's DNA, how do we go from 37% of white people saying that they would not, that they would vote for a black person to 97% saying that they would if racism is in America's DNA?
[00:18:26]  It is a BS lie.
[00:18:28]  And the problem is this.
[00:18:30]  Obama knows it's a lie.
[00:18:32]  And Obama and I were in a closed room together and nobody could hear what we were talking about.
[00:18:36]  Obama would be nodding his head at everything you and I are saying.
[00:18:40]  What he can't do is say it out loud because he wants his party to win.
[00:18:45]  Now, my question to Mr. Obama is this.
[00:18:47]  I know he's watching.
[00:18:48]  Is it more important for your party to win to advance your left-wing notions if it is at the expense of telling black people that they're victims, telling black people that they ought not to cooperate with police officers, telling black people if they work hard, it doesn't matter because the systemically racist country was going to hold you back?
[00:19:04]  Is it worth it, Barack Obama?
[00:19:06]  Are you telling your daughters that they are oppressed?
[00:19:09]  Is that the message you're giving them?
[00:19:11]  It is a lie.
[00:19:13]  And he knows it's a lie.
[00:19:15]  The three arguably biggest so-called black leaders aside from Obama in America are Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Louis Farrakhan.
[00:19:23]  All three of these men have had either no relationships or a bad relationship with their own father.
[00:19:28]  Jesse Jackson's father was the married man who impregnated a teenager who lived next door.
[00:19:33]  And it was rare in those days for a kid to be raised without a father.
[00:19:37]  And Jesse Jackson was raised in South Carolina and he was taunted.
[00:19:40]  Jesse ain't got no daddy.
[00:19:41]  Jesse ain't got no daddy.
[00:19:42]  Al Sharpton.
[00:19:43]  Sharpton had a nice middle-class life until his father abandoned the family and then down to the hood.
[00:19:49]  In the case of Farrakhan, Farrakhan's mother had taken, had left her father, had a boyfriend, went back with the father briefly, got pregnant, didn't want the boyfriend to know, and tried to abort Farrakhan with a troat hanger.
[00:20:00]  My point in telling you this, Charlie, is that these three leaders have had a painful relationship or no relationship with their own father.
[00:20:07]  It is the number one problem facing America.
[00:20:10]  They could talk passionately, intimately, and personally about this, but they choose not to.
[00:20:15]  And I would argue one of the reasons they can't do it, Charlie, is they are psychologically damaged by not having a father.
[00:20:20]  There's a wonderful film we have on SalemNow.com called The Streets Where My Father, eight men, all of whom committed serious offenses, all of whom did long time in prison, all of whom had no relationship with their own father.
[00:20:34]  And they talk about the pain and the hurt of all of this.
[00:20:37]  It has a, I think, a cathartic ending at the end of it.
[00:20:39]  But the point is, these are three men, tough guys, grew up in the hood, grew up hard, no father.
[00:20:45]  And they adopted this pose, joined a gang because they needed to have a family.
[00:20:48]  They wanted to have a family.
[00:20:49]  And one man cries and breaks down and talks about how he wanted this.
[00:20:53]  This is the number one problem facing America, Charlie, not systemic racism.
[00:20:57]  Again, systemic fatherlessness.
[00:20:58]  And we're not having a conversation about this.
[00:21:00]  Well, they don't want to have a conversation for a couple of reasons.
[00:21:03]  And Obama and all them, they're just playing a part.
[00:21:08]  They just want power.
[00:21:09]  They just want to be in charge.
[00:21:11]  And you know they don't believe what they believe because they go live in Martha's Vineyard when they get the chance, right?
[00:21:17]  I mean, you know that.
[00:21:18]  And so how about Reverend Jeremiah Wright?
[00:21:21]  Reverend Jeremiah Wright making all kinds of anti-white, anti-Jewish statements.
[00:21:25]  And when he retires, his congregation passes the hat and buys a house for him in Tinley Park outside of Chicago.
[00:21:32]  Black population, 1.92%.
[00:21:34]  Obama, as you point out, buys a compound, $12.7 million in Martha's Vineyard, but it's in Edigertown, which is even more exclusive than Bartha's Vineyard.
[00:21:45]  0.4% black population.
[00:21:47]  Patriots Colors, co-founder of Black Lives Matter, buys a mansion in Topanga Canyon out here in California, 30 miles away from Malibu.
[00:21:55]  0.4% Black.
[00:21:57]  So if America is systemically racist and white people are running this systemically racist system, why is it that these Black people want to be around white people so badly?
[00:22:05]  That's the question they have to answer.
[00:22:08]  So this week, it seems as if the media, they're so good at setting the narrative.
[00:22:12]  I know very little about this, and I'm going to dig into it.
[00:22:15]  This Tulsa race issue.
[00:22:18]  Larry, tell us what's going on here.
[00:22:20]  Why all of a sudden is there a documentary on this?
[00:22:23]  And it's a day of remembrance.
[00:22:25]  What's going on here?
[00:22:27]  What's going on here, of course, is this Black Lives Matter movement slash cancel culture slash let's revive history and let's make white people feel guilty about being white.
[00:22:36]  Let's make black people feel like they're victims.
[00:22:38]  Let's stipulate, let's stipulate that we've had slavery in the country.
[00:22:42]  Let's stipulate that we've had prejudice.
[00:22:44]  Let's stipulate that we've had race riots like the Tulsa riot that took place in 1921, where apparently around 300, we're not quite sure how many black people were killed by a bunch of racist mobs who were white.
[00:22:55]  Let's stipulate that all that happened.
[00:22:57]  Let's also stipulate that nobody living today had anything to do with it.
[00:23:00]  They weren't perpetrators.
[00:23:02]  And the black people living today were not victims.
[00:23:04]  The whole thing about reparations is the extraction of money from people who were never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves.
[00:23:11]  The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.
[00:23:14]  When MLK gave a speech, gave an interview to the BBC around 1964-ish, he said, 66-ish.
[00:23:23]  He said, I am so amazed at the racial progress that's going on in America to the point where I feel in about 40 years' time, there could be a black American, there could be a black president.
[00:23:33]  And the reason I mentioned that is because that's when he felt that we had reached the promised land, when America can set aside its racist past and pull that lever for a black person.
[00:23:42]  That's what he thought was the summit.
[00:23:45]  Well, it almost happened exactly what he said, 2008, about 40 years after MLK made that statement, Barack Obama got elected president.
[00:23:52]  I thought we were done with this.
[00:23:54]  I thought it suggested that our problems have to do with class, have to do with family structure, have to do with things that have nothing whatever to do with racist white people.
[00:24:02]  And I've said this before, Charlie.
[00:24:04]  Pick up your magic wand, wave it over America, and remove every smidgen of racism from the hearts of white America.
[00:24:10]  Do we still have 70% of black kids being born without a father married to the mother?
[00:24:14]  Yes.
[00:24:15]  Do we still have a 50% dropout rate in many of our urban high schools?
[00:24:18]  Yes.
[00:24:19]  Do we still have 25% of young black men living in the inner city with a criminal record, either in jail, having been arrested on parole or on probation?
[00:24:26]  Yes.
[00:24:27]  If the answer is yes, yes, yes, then I submit to you that ridding America of its alleged systemic racism is not the problem.
[00:24:34]  The problem are there are other problems that I just now mentioned.
[00:24:36]  Well, and Larry, what it gets down to is what they call racist or white supremacist is something they actually want to destroy, which is the nuclear family.
[00:24:46]  And let's talk about this because it was on BLM's website.
[00:24:49]  But an inherent Marxist belief, and if you dive deep into the literature of Angela Davis and all these con artists, Tahanisi Coates, they actually think a child should be raised in the African style of the village, that sexuality should not be contained to just a husband or a wife, but it should be an open or loose.
[00:25:08]  Can you talk about this?
[00:25:09]  That there's this, from some of the black liberation activists, some of them, they actually think that the normative Western family, that you were raised by a great father and I was raised by a great father, that that's actually oppressive.
[00:25:25]  Can you help unpack that?
[00:25:27]  Well, that's right.
[00:25:28]  I think it was on one of their websites.
[00:25:29]  They even attacked what they called the Western construct of a nuclear family.
[00:25:35]  Western prescribed.
[00:25:36]  Yeah.
[00:25:36]  Yeah.
[00:25:37]  Where they feel that the means of production, businesses, should be owned by the state.
[00:25:40]  They also feel that you and I should be owned by the state.
[00:25:42]  Two of my good friends were the late Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, who thankfully is still with us.
[00:25:50]  Walter Williams grew up in Philadelphia in the hood.
[00:25:53]  His father abandoned the family.
[00:25:55]  And Walter Williams told me that he was the only person in his area when he grew up who didn't have a father in the house.
[00:26:02]  In the case of Thomas Sowell, Thomas Sowell lost both of his parents early.
[00:26:06]  Mother when he was two or three years old, father around the same age.
[00:26:09]  He was raised by aunts and uncles in Harlem.
[00:26:12]  He said he was the only one in his area where he grew up who didn't have a mother and the father in the house.
[00:26:19]  Now, from years ago, I read a story about you can go somewhere online and look at this interactive map and find out all the people who are registered as sex offenders in your neighborhood.
[00:26:31]  Now, I live in a very nice neighborhood in the west side of LA, Charlie.
[00:26:34]  So I assume there would be very few red dots on the map.
[00:26:36]  So I went to check out my zip code.
[00:26:38]  I was amazed.
[00:26:40]  It looked like the map had measles.
[00:26:41]  There were that many sex offenders living in my general area.
[00:26:44]  If there were such a map, Charlie, where you could put a little red dot in an area where there was a home with no father and children, I I would submit to you, they would be like red paint somewhere.
[00:26:56]  I submit to you, there is as much damage done by households where there's no father than there is by households where there's a registered sex offender.
[00:27:03]  Because when you have no father in the household and you have poor values and you spread those poor values to other people who don't have fathers in the household, you reinforce it and it becomes this thing that Obama talked about about crime, about dropouts, about being non-economically productive in our society.
[00:27:20]  But we have no way of telling that.
[00:27:23]  And I bet you anything, if people could tell whether or not there was a neighborhood that they're thinking about moving into where a majority of them don't have fathers in the house and they had an option of a similarly economically situated neighborhood where the majority of the kids had fathers in the house, they would choose the latter and not the former.
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[00:29:01]  It's a very, it's a very, not just unproven, but dangerous motive.
[00:29:05]  And we must understand this: that they think that fathers are actually bad, that they're actually, they're winning.
[00:29:12]  And, you know, if I ever had a chance to talk to BLM, I'd say, wait a second, you already got 70% of black families.
[00:29:18]  How are they doing without a father?
[00:29:19]  What they'd say is, oh, well, we need to destroy private property and we have to destroy commerce and then everything is going to get into this state of harmony.
[00:29:26]  Where you and I actually believe that the family, the ancestral tradition of raising children with discipline, order, purpose, truth, it's worked rather well.
[00:29:38]  And that they're the outlier to actually being able to raise good children.
[00:29:42]  That BLM and this black liberation nonsense has actually caused America to be more chaotic and quite honestly a tragedy that's happened in black America.
[00:29:52]  How do we reverse this, Larry?
[00:29:53]  I'm sure you get asked this all the time.
[00:29:56]  Tell the truth.
[00:29:57]  Tell the truth.
[00:29:58]  In 1940, clearly when America was far more racist than it is right now, 87% of blacks live below the federally defined level of poverty.
[00:30:06]  20 years later, Charlie, in 1960, that number had fallen to 47%.
[00:30:10]  That's a 40-point drop in poverty in a 20-year period of time.
[00:30:14]  The greatest 20-year period of economic expansion in the history of Black America.
[00:30:18]  And that was before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 65, the Open Housing Act of 68, all of which were important.
[00:30:25]  The point is, despite the racism, despite the Jim Crow, Black people still kept going forward.
[00:30:32]  Similarly, during that period of time, you also had high rates of children being born with a father and the mother in the house.
[00:30:39]  The welfare state, again, has incentivized women to do the opposite.
[00:30:43]  And that's where we are right now.
[00:30:44]  We ought to be having a discussion about the welfare state.
[00:30:47]  We ought to be having a discussion about vouchers K through 12.
[00:30:50]  There is a think tank on the left called the Brookings Institution.
[00:30:54]  They're really left-wing, and they have something called the Millennial Success Sequence.
[00:31:02]  Finish high school.
[00:31:04]  Don't have a kid until you get married or until you're at least committed to the woman and make sure you don't do it before you're 20 years old.
[00:31:10]  Get a job, keep that job.
[00:31:12]  And I would add one more that the late Walter Williams said: avoid the criminal justice system.
[00:31:16]  So if you want to escape poverty, finish high school, don't have a kid before you're 20, make sure you're married first, get a job, and avoid the criminal justice system.
[00:31:24]  You will not be poor.
[00:31:26]  And the Brookings Institution did not say that this formula only applies to white people.
[00:31:30]  It applies to everybody.
[00:31:32]  That's what Black Lives Matter.
[00:31:33]  That's what Obama, that's what Joe Biden ought to be telling Black people, but they're not.
[00:31:37]  They're telling Black people they're victims because they want that 95% near monolithic black vote without which they cannot win.
[00:31:43]  So Larry, you know, just as we close this conversation, why is it that Black America has yet to wake up?
[00:31:50]  Trump moved it a little bit in that direction.
[00:31:52]  Is it because Republicans aren't showing up?
[00:31:54]  Is it just because it's so, it's just within the traditional black community to vote Democrat?
[00:32:00]  What do we have to do to kind of reverse that trend?
[00:32:03]  Well, I think the trend is reversing.
[00:32:05]  Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the black vote than he did four years earlier.

=== Waking Up Black America (10:19) ===

[00:32:09]  81% of black people want the police manpower to remain the same or to even increase.
[00:32:14]  I think there's a growing dissatisfaction with K through 12.
[00:32:17]  I think the pandemic has shown a lot of black parents the quality of the education their kids are getting, and they're not impressed.
[00:32:25]  So I think there is a growing anger on the part of a lot of black people to begin to rethink some of their assumptions, which is why I think the Republican Party is going to do far, far better going forward.
[00:32:34]  But the primary thing is to tell the truth.
[00:32:37]  Stand your ground, especially you white people.
[00:32:40]  I wrote a book 20 years ago called The 10 Things You Can't Say in America.
[00:32:43]  My first chapter is blacks are more racist than whites.
[00:32:46]  My second chapter is white condescension is as bad as black racism.
[00:32:49]  And that is when white people are falsely accused of being racist.
[00:32:52]  Rather than defend yourself, and mention some of the stats that I've mentioned, white people go fetal and just accept it and take it.
[00:32:59]  And therefore, they give the black person who made the comment the impression that the comment was just and true, when in fact it wasn't.
[00:33:07]  This whole Black Lives Matter thing.
[00:33:10]  You know, the stats have shown that the police kill more unarmed whites every year than unarmed blacks.
[00:33:15]  There's been studies done by professors at Washington State over a number of years, three different studies, each time the same result.
[00:33:23]  The cops are three times more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect.
[00:33:29]  And the CDC found that in the last 50, 60 years, the rate at which the police have killed blacks has declined almost 75%, while the rate at which the police have killed whites has pretty much flatlined.
[00:33:40]  It is a lie that's getting people killed.
[00:33:42]  And if more black people knew this, I think things would turn around.
[00:33:46]  I gave a speech.
[00:33:46]  I'll end with this, Charlie.
[00:33:47]  I gave a speech some years ago.
[00:33:50]  And as is often the case, most of the people at my speech are white people.
[00:33:53]  But there was a black guy standing in the back.
[00:33:55]  His arms were folded, big guy, looked like a football player, maybe 50 years old.
[00:33:59]  And he was frowning.
[00:34:00]  Almost every time I made a, I thought, a salient point, he frowned, shook his head slowly.
[00:34:04]  I said, this is not going well.
[00:34:06]  So the speech is over.
[00:34:07]  The man comes up to me and he says, I am angry.
[00:34:11]  I said, no kidding.
[00:34:12]  He said, not at you, at myself.
[00:34:15]  I did not know the police killed more unarmed white people than black people every year.
[00:34:19]  I did not know that blacks, the rate at which the unwed rate has gone from 25% in 1975 of blacks to 70% now.
[00:34:27]  I had no idea that the police were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than the white suspect.
[00:34:32]  I didn't know about the 20-year period of time from 1940 to 1960.
[00:34:36]  And again, rattling off many of the things I had told him.
[00:34:39]  He said, I'm mad at myself for being so ill-informed.
[00:34:41]  I'm going to do a better job now.
[00:34:43]  He turned around and walked away.
[00:34:45]  That's what we have to do.
[00:34:46]  So, Larry, tell us what you're working on.
[00:34:49]  Last time you were on, we talked about your film Uncle Tom.
[00:34:52]  I'm sure people can still check that out at Salem now.
[00:34:54]  It's a terrific film.
[00:34:55]  What else are you working on?
[00:34:56]  How can our audience support you?
[00:34:58]  Well, you can also see Uncle Tom on YouTube for just $2.99.
[00:35:03]  And we're working on Uncle Tom 2.
[00:35:05]  It should be out sometime in the summer.
[00:35:06]  It's going to take Uncle Tom 1 to a whole nother level.
[00:35:10]  I'm also still doing my syndicated column.
[00:35:14]  I write that once a week.
[00:35:15]  I do something called Rogue.
[00:35:17]  R-O-B-E, Rogue Rage every month, every morning on Instagram.
[00:35:22]  It's getting quite a reaction.
[00:35:24]  And I'm working on another book, but I'll tell you about that when I get a little closer to finishing it.
[00:35:29]  So everything, all systems go.
[00:35:31]  Follow me on Twitter.
[00:35:32]  Follow me on Facebook.
[00:35:33]  Follow me on Instagram.
[00:35:34]  And be sure and check out Uncle Tom on YouTube, on iTunes, on Amazon Prime, and also in Salem Now, as you pointed out.
[00:35:43]  And I really urge people to watch that movie called The Streets Were My Father.
[00:35:47]  It's an extraordinary, jaw-dropping movie that will really change minds, especially for those of you who grew up without a father and you're angry at the white man because you believe that your problem is systemic racism.
[00:35:59]  Well, it's well said.
[00:36:00]  And you can hear Larry every single day on the Salem Radio Network.
[00:36:03]  They call you the sage from South Central LA, if I got that right.
[00:36:08]  I'm going to have to ask you about that book.
[00:36:09]  I'm just curious, Larry, really quick.
[00:36:11]  Blacks are more racist than whites.
[00:36:14]  Is that something you believe?
[00:36:16]  Tell us just a little bit.
[00:36:17]  Well, Rasmussen Poll for several years has asked Blacks, Hispanics, and whites of these three groups, which is more likely to be racist.
[00:36:25]  All of them name blacks more than anybody else, including Blacks.
[00:36:29]  There is also a book called The Scar of Race.
[00:36:33]  It came out some years ago, and a bunch of ethnic groups were asked about a bunch of negative stereotypes about blacks.
[00:36:40]  Are blacks lazy?
[00:36:41]  Are blacks dumb?
[00:36:42]  Are blacks likely to commit crime?
[00:36:45]  And the group that was least likely to say yes to any of those were Jews.
[00:36:50]  Blacks are two and a half times more likely than non-black Gentiles to be anti-Semitic.
[00:36:55]  More blacks said yes to those stereotypes than Jews did.
[00:36:59]  So the point is that racism is no longer a major factor in America unless you want it to be.
[00:37:07]  The only way that you can be considered to be a second-class citizen is if you give white people permission to do so.
[00:37:14]  When I was in high school, I'll end with this, Charlie.
[00:37:17]  When I was in high school, we read a poem by a guy named County Cullen.
[00:37:21]  It goes like this.
[00:37:22]  While riding through a Baltimore, so small and full of glee, I saw a young Baltimorean people looking straight at me.
[00:37:28]  Now, I was young and very small, and he was no whit bigger.
[00:37:30]  And so I smiled.
[00:37:31]  But he poked out his tongue and called me.
[00:37:33]  I saw the whole of Baltimore from May until September, of all things that happened there.
[00:37:37]  It's all that I remember.
[00:37:38]  Well, the teacher was mad.
[00:37:40]  I was mad.
[00:37:40]  Teacher talked about how this is going to permanently scar this guy who's going to always be psychologically scarred, always going to think of himself as a second-class citizen.
[00:37:47]  Now, remember, my mother always told me, nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission.
[00:37:51]  So I went home that day and I said to my mom, we read a poem in class.
[00:37:55]  She was stirring a big pot of greens in the kitchen and frying some chicken.
[00:37:58]  I'll never forget it.
[00:38:00]  And I said, Mom, we read a poem in class.
[00:38:01]  I want to get your reaction to it.
[00:38:03]  I know your reaction is probably going to be different from the teacher, but I just want to hear it.
[00:38:05]  She said, what is it?
[00:38:06]  I said, well, it goes like this.
[00:38:07]  While riding through a Baltimore, so small and full of glee, I saw a young Baltimore young people looking straight at me.
[00:38:12]  Now, I was young and very small, and he was no whit bigger.
[00:38:14]  And so I smiled.
[00:38:15]  And he poked out his tongue and called me.
[00:38:17]  I saw the whole of Baltimore from May until September.
[00:38:20]  Of all things that happened there, that's all that I remember.
[00:38:23]  My mom took the spoon out of the pot, hit it on the side, and turned to me.
[00:38:26]  And she said, Larry, what a damn thing he let something like that spoil his vacation.
[00:38:30]  How many wings do you want?
[00:38:33]  I love that.
[00:38:34]  And that's the attitude that we need.
[00:38:36]  So it's terrific.
[00:38:37]  There's a book that I wrote about my relationship with my father called Dear Father, Dear Son, where I had an eight-hour conversation with the SLB because he and I did not get along.
[00:38:46]  And when I was 15 years old, we had a fight.
[00:38:49]  I didn't speak with him to him for 10 years.
[00:38:52]  By not speaking to him, I mean not have a meaningful conversation with the guy for 10 years.
[00:38:56]  It wasn't like he abandoned the family or he was an alcoholic or anything like that.
[00:39:00]  I just avoided the SOB for 10 years.
[00:39:02]  When I was 25 years old, we sat down and had a conversation I thought was going to last for about five or ten minutes.
[00:39:06]  It ended up lasting eight hours.
[00:39:08]  Eight hours, I found out that the man was kicked out of the house.
[00:39:11]  He was 13 years old by his irresponsible mother who could neither read nor write.
[00:39:15]  My father does not know who his biological father is.
[00:39:18]  My last name, Elder, is the name of some dude who was in his life the longest who was an alcoholic who physically abused his mother and physically abused him when he tried to stop it.
[00:39:27]  My father left home, Jim Crow South, at the beginning of the Great Depression, eighth-grade education, never went back to school until he went back to school in his 30s to get his GED.
[00:39:38]  He walked down the road, did anything he could, ended up becoming a Pullman porter on the trains.
[00:39:42]  They were the largest private employer in those days.
[00:39:45]  And he came out to California on a run.
[00:39:48]  And Charlie, it was sunny and people seemed less racist.
[00:39:51]  My dad was able to walk into a restaurant in the front door and get some food.
[00:39:55]  And he thought that was amazing.
[00:39:57]  He thought, maybe I'll make a little mental note about this.
[00:39:59]  Maybe someday I relocate to California.
[00:40:01]  Pearl Harbor, my dad joins the Marines.
[00:40:03]  He ended up being stationed in Guam.
[00:40:05]  He was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking.
[00:40:07]  He goes back to Chattanooga where he met and married my mom to get him a job as a short-order cook.
[00:40:11]  And he was told, We don't hire niggas to his face.
[00:40:14]  He goes to an unemployment office.
[00:40:16]  The lady says, You went through the wrong door.
[00:40:17]  My dad goes out to the hall and sees colored only, goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out.
[00:40:23]  Co back to my mom and says, This is BS.
[00:40:25]  I'm going to California to get a job as a cook and I'll send for you.
[00:40:28]  So this is 1945.
[00:40:30]  Goes back to California.
[00:40:31]  Nobody would hire him.
[00:40:32]  They tell him he doesn't have any references.
[00:40:34]  He goes to an unemployment office, this time, just one door, and he takes the first job he can get cleaning toilets.
[00:40:40]  My dad did that for 10 years, took a second job cleaning toilets at another company, went to night school to get his GED, and went to training school to learn how to run a restaurant.
[00:40:49]  Started a restaurant in his late 40s, which he ran until he was 82 years old.
[00:40:54]  And my father, who was a lifelong Republican, always told my brothers and me, Democrats want to give you something for nothing.
[00:41:00]  When you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something.
[00:41:03]  He always said this: hard work wins.
[00:41:06]  You get out of life, but you put into it.
[00:41:07]  You can't control the outcome, Larry, but you are 100% in control of the effort.
[00:41:11]  And no matter how hard you work, sooner or later, bad things are going to happen.
[00:41:14]  No matter how bad things are, you have to look at yourself and adjust to them.
[00:41:18]  And how you adjust to those bad things will tell your mother and me if we raised a man.
[00:41:23]  This is what my father told my brothers and me.
[00:41:25]  If anybody had a reason to be angry at America and to believe that America is systemically racist, it is my father.
[00:41:30]  And he believed the opposite.
[00:41:32]  Anytime we complained, my father said, What are you complaining about?
[00:41:34]  The door is wide open.
[00:41:37]  Well, the door is wide open.
[00:41:38]  All you have to do is pick up your hand and play your cards to the best of your ability.
[00:41:42]  This is America for crying out loud.
[00:41:44]  You can't make it here.
[00:41:45]  You can't make it anywhere.
[00:41:47]  Well said.
[00:41:47]  That was beautiful, Larry.
[00:41:49]  Thank you.
[00:41:49]  And what's the name of the book?
[00:41:53]  That one's called Dear Father, Dear Son.
[00:41:54]  That's the hardback.
[00:41:56]  And the softback is called A Lot Like Lee.
[00:41:58]  If it's the same book, we changed the title for reasons I'll tell you about later on.
[00:42:02]  I love it.
[00:42:03]  Well, God bless you, Larry.
[00:42:04]  See you soon.
[00:42:04]  Thanks so much.
[00:42:05]  Thank you very much for giving me the time.
[00:42:06]  I appreciate it.
[00:42:07]  You bet.
[00:42:07]  Thanks.
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