The Charlie Kirk Show - A Much-Needed Message of Hope
Aired: 2021-01-17
Duration: 22:15

[00:00:00]  Hey everybody, happy Sunday.
[00:00:01]  A conversation with my dear friend Elijah Stacey, who's a great American who has a great charity, Fighting the Disease Duchesne.
[00:00:09]  I think you'll really be inspired by him.
[00:00:11]  He's a great American, a believer, and someone I think that we can all learn from.
[00:00:16]  A great guy.
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[00:00:26]  Elijah Stacey is here.
[00:00:28]  Buckle up, everybody.
[00:00:29]  Here we go.
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[00:01:02]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:03]  Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with a friend of mine, Elijah Stacey.
[00:01:07]  I met Elijah at Jack Kibbs Church, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills, and I was so moved by his story and the nonprofit you've started and the group you're doing.
[00:01:17]  It's so inspiring.
[00:01:18]  Elijah, thanks for coming out to Phoenix.
[00:01:20]  Thank you for having me.
[00:01:21]  So introduce yourself.
[00:01:22]  Just tell us kind of what you're working on.
[00:01:25]  You have a great group called Destroy.
[00:01:26]  I always mispronounce it, Duchesne?
[00:01:28]  Deshen, Duchenne.
[00:01:29]  Yeah, people say either or, so we're good either way.
[00:01:32]  So tell us about that.
[00:01:33]  Yeah, so I'm Elijah.
[00:01:35]  I'm 19 years old and I started a nonprofit organization at 15 called Destroy Duchin, which aims at advancing gene editing and gene therapy technologies into human practice.
[00:01:46]  So that's really the goal, right?
[00:01:47]  We want to complete the cure.
[00:01:49]  That's the official slogan of Destroy Deshin.
[00:01:52]  So I spend a lot of my time doing that and creating awareness and stuff.
[00:01:56]  And that's the disease that I have in my little brother as well.
[00:01:59]  And my other little brother, Max, who he had the disease as well, but he passed away from it.
[00:02:04]  So that's what I spend a lot of my time on.
[00:02:06]  And then, you know, currently I'm also working on other things too, such as my book that's going to be published.
[00:02:13]  And then I also run a Bible study in my backyard every Monday.
[00:02:17]  You're a busy guy.
[00:02:18]  Yeah.
[00:02:18]  So let's talk about the disease.
[00:02:21]  Yes.
[00:02:22]  What is it?
[00:02:23]  It's a peculiar disease, right?
[00:02:26]  And it's not, it's rare, but it's still, you know, it's obviously genetic.
[00:02:32]  Yeah.
[00:02:33]  So Duchenne muscular dystrophy, right?
[00:02:35]  It's a muscle-wasting disease.
[00:02:37]  And people start to take notice of it when they're about five years old.
[00:02:40]  So they start falling on the floor frequently.
[00:02:42]  They can't keep up with their peers at recess, can't go up the stairs.
[00:02:47]  These are really the common signs.
[00:02:49]  And so that's what really starts to take notice.
[00:02:52]  But then when they're about 11 years old, at least for me, right?
[00:02:55]  When I was 11 years old, they become completely dependent on a wheelchair, right?
[00:02:58]  So they will have to use a power wheelchair, such as the one that I'm in right now.
[00:03:02]  And then in their teenage years, they'll start to lose mobility in their arms as well.
[00:03:06]  So, you know, currently I can't lift my arms above my chest.
[00:03:09]  I once, you know, threw the football run with my dad, who was a head football coach.
[00:03:13]  I love playing basketball at recess, right, in my wheelchair, right?
[00:03:17]  But, you know, I lost that ability.
[00:03:19]  And then the worst part about the disease is most patients pass away by the time they're 25, right?
[00:03:24]  Because the heart and lungs are muscles too.
[00:03:27]  So it's a fatal disease.
[00:03:28]  So very, very serious, very terrible disease.
[00:03:32]  Not super well known, but I'm hoping to change that.
[00:03:34]  Well, and you have a great attitude on life.
[00:03:37]  You know that you have this terrible disease, but you have a great, you know, approach to things and you want to come up with a solution and try to tell people about it.
[00:03:48]  So tell us about more about you.
[00:03:50]  So you're, you know, you have this, you have this disease.
[00:03:54]  You have more, I think, just like spirit and positivity than most people I meet because everyone's always complaining all the time.
[00:03:59]  Yeah.
[00:04:01]  And so just tell us what gives you the conviction to fight.
[00:04:05]  What matters to you?
[00:04:06]  Yeah.
[00:04:07]  See, a lot of people ask me this question.
[00:04:08]  I never know how to answer because there's so many things that I care about and so many reasons why I think I am the way I am.
[00:04:14]  But a lot of people with this disease, what I find, because I run a podcast where I interview them, what I find is that they all have the similar attitude, right?
[00:04:24]  And I just think that there's no benefit to being negative, right?
[00:04:28]  It doesn't do you any good.
[00:04:29]  Being positive helps you overcome the hardships of life.
[00:04:32]  So being negative, you know, it still doesn't change the fact that you're in a wheelchair, that you can't use your arms or that you have this terrible disease.
[00:04:38]  So it's better just to be positive and it helps you kind of adapt and just keep things going, right?
[00:04:44]  But I think, you know, really what I'm passionate about, I would say this, right?
[00:04:48]  I would say that my life cause, I would sum it up as this, which is to minimize human suffering and advance human prosperity so that humanity can have a better quality of life.
[00:04:57]  So any types of human suffering that I can minimize, that's what I'm all about.
[00:05:01]  And so curing my disease or helping people with anxiety, depression, or whatever type of challenge they may face in their life, that's what I want to do.
[00:05:10]  So there are advancements being made with this research.
[00:05:14]  Can you talk about that with this disease?
[00:05:16]  Yeah, so I think it's really fascinating stuff.
[00:05:19]  And these are really the two things that we focus on as an organization, which is gene editing and gene therapy.
[00:05:25]  So gene editing, I'm talking about things such as CRISPR, right?
[00:05:29]  And in short, basically what this allows us to do is to edit your DNA, right?
[00:05:33]  So if there's an error there, which is what genetic diseases are for the most part, they can go in and then cut that error out and then replace it with the correct DNA, the correct instructions, correct blueprints.
[00:05:46]  And so that's really, really promising.
[00:05:47]  There's a lot being done there.
[00:05:49]  And Destroy Duchenne actually just helped advance some science there.
[00:05:53]  We made a contribution there.
[00:05:55]  And then there's also gene therapy, which instead of editing the blueprint, the spelling error, you can just insert the gene itself.
[00:06:03]  And that gives the blueprint there.
[00:06:06]  The best way I can explain this is if you have a book and you have a page and there's a spelling error on the page, it's not going to make sense.
[00:06:14]  But instead of correcting the error on that page, that would be gene editing.
[00:06:18]  You could just insert a whole other page, the same page, but this one doesn't have that error in it.
[00:06:22]  So you can read it correctly.
[00:06:23]  Yes.
[00:06:25]  The problem with both of these is we need vectors, right?
[00:06:27]  A delivery vehicle to deliver this genetic information.
[00:06:30]  And that's really the challenge.
[00:06:32]  And that's really what I'm focused on is advancing the vectors too.
[00:06:37]  So you mean vectors by how to actually get the human body, yeah.
[00:06:41]  Got it.
[00:06:41]  And that science is moving very quickly.
[00:06:43]  Very quickly, yeah.
[00:06:44]  It's all very new stuff, but it's happening really, really quickly.
[00:06:47]  And there's a lot of money being poured into it.
[00:06:50]  And I think that nonprofits playing a role in it.
[00:06:54]  It's really cool, not just for people with Duchin, but all these genetic diseases.
[00:06:57]  And so I'm really excited about that.
[00:06:59]  So is it a recessive gene?
[00:07:01]  Is that right?
[00:07:02]  Yes, yes.
[00:07:03]  And so your siblings have it, your brothers?
[00:07:05]  Yes.
[00:07:06]  So my older brother, he's a paramedic.
[00:07:09]  He's in the Army Reserves.
[00:07:12]  Completely fine, right?
[00:07:13]  Doesn't have it.
[00:07:13]  Doesn't have it.
[00:07:14]  But I have it.
[00:07:16]  My little brother Max had it when he was here.
[00:07:19]  And then my little brother Kai, he also has it as well.
[00:07:22]  And so, yeah, it's X-linked.
[00:07:24]  The mother carries it, and then she passes it down.
[00:07:28]  And that's what has it.
[00:07:29]  That's how it happens.
[00:07:30]  So since you've been 11, you've seen advancements as far as how treatment and awareness around it?
[00:07:38]  You know, that's interesting.
[00:07:39]  So when I was 11, right, for the longest time, I really didn't want anything to do with this disease or organizations.
[00:07:46]  I kind of just like, you know, I'm not defined by this disease.
[00:07:49]  I don't want to put my identity in that.
[00:07:51]  You know, I'm just, I love sports.
[00:07:53]  I love following my dad on the football field, stuff like that.
[00:07:55]  So I really didn't pay too much attention.
[00:07:58]  And my parents, I wouldn't say that they paid a great deal of attention either.
[00:08:02]  They're more just like, hey, let's make the best out of life.
[00:08:05]  But since I was 15 and started Destroy Deshin, oh, definitely, like, you just see it every year.
[00:08:10]  There's something new.
[00:08:11]  So new advancements and new breakthroughs.
[00:08:14]  So you and I were talking off camera about this, and your faith is very important to you.
[00:08:20]  And a growing movement on a certain kind of, let's just say, I don't want to overly politicize this, but on the left is trying to say that if there is a genetic malfunction found in, let's say, a pre-born child, that you should have the right to abort that child.
[00:08:39]  What is your stance on that?
[00:08:41]  Absolutely not.
[00:08:43]  There's no moral justification, no grounds to do that.
[00:08:47]  I think it's really wrong.
[00:08:48]  And really, not so much that.
[00:08:51]  I think you're underestimating what someone with a genetic disease can really do, right?
[00:08:56]  I mean, I think that because I have the suffering that I've gone through, I'm still able to have a really good life, but I'm able to use that suffering to help other people with their suffering.
[00:09:05]  Perhaps it's not being able to walk or not being able to use your arms, but it's able to relate to them and help them overcome their challenges of life.
[00:09:15]  Like, I understand adversity because I live it every single day, you know?
[00:09:19]  So I don't think that, yeah, I think that's incredibly wrong.
[00:09:24]  And there's other problems that I have with that as well, philosophically.
[00:09:28]  Sure.
[00:09:29]  You can go into that if you want.
[00:09:30]  Well, I just think that, you know, as you said, the left and really, really anyone.
[00:09:35]  Pro-abortion people.
[00:09:36]  Just anyone for that matter.
[00:09:37]  If you make a moral claim, right, I'm fascinated with the moral argument for God's existence.
[00:09:43]  And really, if you think about morality, it's like, well, how do you justify it, right?
[00:09:47]  If you say that this thing is right or wrong and you think it's true for everyone, objectively true, why is it objectively true?
[00:09:54]  Or you'd have to ground it into something that is higher than us, right?
[00:09:58]  And that has been done by God's existence.
[00:10:01]  People are normally trying to ground it there.
[00:10:03]  If you take a naturalist view, I don't believe that you can do it, right?
[00:10:06]  You won't.
[00:10:07]  It'll just be a subjective moral claim.
[00:10:10]  I agree with you.
[00:10:11]  And so just so that we're specific, there is a growing movement of people that believe that if they find any form of genetic defect, that should be a reason for immediate abortion.
[00:10:28]  Basically implying that your life is just like a...
[00:10:32]  A burden.
[00:10:33]  A burden.
[00:10:33]  Can you help unpack that?
[00:10:35]  Like, do you feel like your life has been, like, can you talk to someone who would have otherwise been eliminated?
[00:10:42]  Yeah.
[00:10:43]  I think that, well, as you said earlier, and my faith is really important.
[00:10:51]  I think that every single person has moral worth, right?
[00:10:55]  Every life has value.
[00:10:56]  And so I think that no matter your circumstances, regardless if you believe in God or not, no matter your circumstances, I think that there's a lot that you can do to help the world in a positive way.
[00:11:08]  And you're not a burden necessarily because you may have this disease or you may need special help in certain ways because you're still able to provide things in other ways.
[00:11:17]  And so no one's a burden or they shouldn't be eliminated because they have a genetic disease, right?
[00:11:25]  And it's a growing claim on the left there.
[00:11:29]  So talk about your faith.
[00:11:33]  There's a lot of people that are saying that God isn't real or it doesn't matter.
[00:11:38]  It's obviously a central point part in your life.
[00:11:40]  I never want to hear anyone complain about their life anymore because when I meet people like you, there's a different set of cards.
[00:11:47]  You didn't ask for this, right?
[00:11:50]  You didn't make a bad choice that all of a sudden you got this, right?
[00:11:52]  This is the ultimate, you know, God had a different plan for you.
[00:11:56]  Can you talk about how you're able to dig, not even dig deep, but just like maximize every single day and what that looks like for you?
[00:12:07]  What do you mean by that?
[00:12:08]  Like maximize every day in terms of for faith or just both.
[00:12:11]  Just what does it mean to live a full life for you?
[00:12:14]  And just a lot of, there's a lot of pessimism and a lot of negativity out there right now.
[00:12:20]  Yeah, I think that living a full life.
[00:12:25]  Really, I think, you know, as you said, starting with faith, it starts with God, right?
[00:12:29]  And everything kind of trickles down there.
[00:12:31]  So if I'm doing things that glorify him and that lives in moral excellence, right?
[00:12:37]  I think that that's really important.
[00:12:39]  Like, you know, in a hierarchy of values, I think that you can place, you know, materialism and like these superficial things.
[00:12:46]  But I think that the most important thing that we should prioritize is our character.
[00:12:49]  And so if I'm doing things every single day that are a good character, then I consider that a day well spent, right?
[00:12:56]  Because that's living in accordance to God's laws.
[00:13:00]  And the other thing, too, about characters that it's good under all circumstances, right?
[00:13:06]  Like if you're healthy, you need to, you know, good character is going to allow you to do good stuff with your health.
[00:13:12]  If you're not healthy, good character is going to allow you to endure the pain and suffering that you have because you have poor health, right?
[00:13:17]  So character is good under all circumstances.
[00:13:21]  So I think that's a super important thing.
[00:13:22]  And then I also think too that one more thing on the character point is that when you do face the suffering, it allows you to exercise your character and to improve it, to strengthen it.
[00:13:31]  So I think that, you know, if you want to say maximize each day, I would say that it's working on your character, right?
[00:13:38]  That's a good day at a minimum, right?
[00:13:42]  So you went to, did you go to public high school?
[00:13:45]  Were you homeschooled?
[00:13:46]  I went to public high school, yeah.
[00:13:47]  So did it bother you when people were complaining about, you know, how awful their life was and or just, you know, what yeah, I mean, I mean, if I'm being really honest, I think that some people, yeah, they complain about things that are just, like, they're not real problems, to be quite frank.
[00:14:04]  But I think that, you know, a lot of times when people had problems, I would try to help them.
[00:14:08]  And let's fix it.
[00:14:10]  The one thing I do not like is when people talk about problems, but they do not want to fix them.
[00:14:14]  That drives me nuts.
[00:14:15]  I want to solve the problem, right?
[00:14:18]  Like, my disease, have disease, okay?
[00:14:20]  Well, I'm going to try and complete the cure for it now, right?
[00:14:23]  Like, let's not just complain about it.
[00:14:24]  Let's do something about it.
[00:14:25]  So that's kind of my view on when I heard other people in high school or just in general today complain about their problems.
[00:14:32]  So tell us more about your faith.
[00:14:34]  Tell us, you know, does, you know, tell us about your journey and your walk.
[00:14:39]  Have you ever had doubts and struggles?
[00:14:42]  And you go to Jack Kibbs Church, right?
[00:14:44]  Yeah.
[00:14:44]  Who's the man?
[00:14:45]  So tell us about that.
[00:14:46]  Yeah.
[00:14:46]  So when I was 11 years old, I mean, I was always raised Christian.
[00:14:49]  But when I was 11 years old, I definitely started going, okay, well, why is God real?
[00:14:53]  Why is this stuff true?
[00:14:54]  And really started to think about it.
[00:14:57]  And so I really got into apologenics and studying people like Dr. William Lane Craig or Lee Strobel or these brilliant people who have given rational and evidential arguments for God's existence.
[00:15:14]  And so that has really helped me, and I really still love that today.
[00:15:18]  I really love philosophy and just studying that.
[00:15:20]  And so I did have my doubts, but now that has really strengthened my faith.
[00:15:23]  And I think that when you have those questions, it's not that you're questioning God, but it's you're trying to better understand him.
[00:15:29]  And so when you have a problem, you don't understand something, you're trying to fix that question.
[00:15:35]  That just lets you understand God better and get closer to him.
[00:15:38]  And so I would say that, yes, I have had doubts, and that's how I got stronger.
[00:15:43]  And Jack Kibbs, you know, he definitely has a lot of people that come speak there at his church that are into defending the faith and arguing for it and everything like that.
[00:15:53]  Yeah.
[00:15:54]  And so what has really helped strengthen your faith more than anything else?
[00:16:01]  I mean, to be honest, I really think that apologenics is definitely just the way that I work, right?
[00:16:06]  I like to have a rational reason for believing in God.
[00:16:09]  But I would say that in terms of believing in God, but in terms of growing my relationship, praying, fellowship, and reading the Bible, it's just, there's nothing like those three.
[00:16:21]  You have to have all three.
[00:16:22]  And that really helps me grow, especially fellowship, because you see other people going through different walks in their life.
[00:16:27]  And they got your back, I got their back, and it just, you grow together.
[00:16:31]  Yeah.
[00:16:32]  So you are moving ahead with your nonprofit, Destroy Duchesne.
[00:16:38]  Tell us about how people can get behind it and support it.
[00:16:41]  And just tell us more about that.
[00:16:42]  Yeah, so people can follow it on social media, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all that, LinkedIn.
[00:16:51]  And then they can also just check out the website, www.destroyduchin.org, and just check it out.
[00:16:58]  And if they would like to donate, that would be great too.
[00:17:02]  And yeah, that's how they can get behind it.
[00:17:03]  Awesome.
[00:17:04]  So what else are you working on or else on your mind that you wanted to explore or make our audience aware about?
[00:17:12]  I'm currently about to publish a book which is written about when I was, yeah.
[00:17:16]  So I wrote it when I was like, I started at 16, finished it when I was 17.
[00:17:21]  I'm finally getting it published now.
[00:17:24]  But the book is basically a memoir of my life.
[00:17:27]  And so I tell a story of each part of my life, a significant part.
[00:17:31]  And at the end of each chapter, there's a life lesson that I learned.
[00:17:34]  So some of those is self-image, how you view yourself.
[00:17:36]  Some of it is worrying about what you can and can't control, the dichotomy of control, adapting, if you have this challenge in your life, you're just going to have to adapt to it.
[00:17:48]  So there's all these different lessons and stuff like that in the book.
[00:17:51]  And it's just really about all the adversity and overcoming suffering.
[00:17:56]  And really, I think the title explains it best.
[00:17:59]  It's called A Small If.
[00:18:01]  And so the story behind that is, when I was 16, my back muscles were getting so weak and I was getting scoliosis in my back.
[00:18:09]  And so my doctor wanted to, he started really pushing for me to have spine surgery where they would insert a metal rod in your back to straighten out your spine, right?
[00:18:19]  I really didn't want that.
[00:18:20]  I don't think anyone does.
[00:18:22]  And so I was really trying to push back.
[00:18:23]  And me and him went back and forth in the doctor's office and he was saying that, you know, as a doctor, I can't give you any false hope.
[00:18:29]  I really got to start to push.
[00:18:30]  I said, okay, well, let's just say if I were able to straighten out my back, could I avoid having the surgery?
[00:18:35]  Because I don't want to have the surgery.
[00:18:37]  My mom's crying, my dad's all sad.
[00:18:39]  I'm sitting there.
[00:18:40]  And he said, once again, as a doctor, I can't give you false hope, but because I know you, I will give you a small if, you know, if you were able to do it.
[00:18:48]  So for the next four months, I went to physical therapy, lost some weight, was eating healthy, totally zoned in on making this happen.
[00:18:57]  And then four months later, it happened.
[00:18:58]  Wow.
[00:18:58]  And you avoided surgery.
[00:18:59]  Yeah.
[00:19:00]  And so that was like, you know, I don't want to say it's an impossibility, but it was like, whoa, like, you're not supposed to do that.
[00:19:05]  The doctor, you know, he even said that I've never seen anybody do that.
[00:19:08]  Like, I don't think you can do it, but like, go ahead and try.
[00:19:12]  But like, that's not supposed to happen.
[00:19:14]  So, you know, that's really what the book's about.
[00:19:16]  It's like, if you have a possibility to do something, you put everything behind it, you can make it happen even if it's a small if, right?
[00:19:23]  Yeah.
[00:19:24]  That's such a good lesson.
[00:19:25]  So when is the book coming out?
[00:19:28]  The official date, I'm not totally sure.
[00:19:29]  Yeah, I know it's like after March.
[00:19:30]  So sometime around then.
[00:19:32]  What are some of the other lessons in there?
[00:19:36]  Well, I mean, the first one is about doing things that seemed impossible.
[00:19:40]  The second one is called Stay Ambitious, right?
[00:19:43]  The lessons about staying ambitious, which I believe that really the lesson here is that if you're not chasing after anything in life, right?
[00:19:51]  You're not going after anything, you don't have any goals, then you're really just existing, right?
[00:19:55]  It's when you're ambitious, when you're really in that constant state of staying ambitious, that's when you really come to life and that you develop the passion and energy and everything that you need, right?
[00:20:05]  That's when I, for me at least, that's when I find myself to be the most energized.
[00:20:09]  Yeah.
[00:20:11]  And yeah, there's just, you know, third lesson is self-sacrifice.
[00:20:14]  You know, there's all kinds of lessons that I learned, and they come from different parts.
[00:20:19]  You know, like self-sacrifice comes from my brother Max, you know, constantly going to the hospital with him.
[00:20:24]  He's a whole other story.
[00:20:25]  There's two chapters on him.
[00:20:27]  He's a whole lesson himself.
[00:20:29]  But yeah, I learned a lot through my young 19 years.
[00:20:34]  Wow.
[00:20:35]  So last couple questions.
[00:20:37]  What's your favorite Bible verse?
[00:20:38]  Favorite Bible verse.
[00:20:39]  Wow.
[00:20:40]  That's a hard one.
[00:20:41]  Hmm.
[00:20:48]  I think it would probably be, I believe it's, it's either first or second.
[00:20:54]  It's first or second Corinthians 10, 5, which basically says that.
[00:20:58]  I'll paraphrase, but it basically says that we tear down any argument or pretension that sets itself against the knowledge of God.
[00:21:07]  So Paul was writing there.
[00:21:08]  He was basically talking about how they're just going around and making every thought obedient to Christ.
[00:21:14]  And so I really like that as someone that likes to debate about the existence of God and give good reasons for becoming a Christian.
[00:21:22]  Yeah, that's well said.
[00:21:24]  So, well, I'm inspired by you, Elijah, and the work you're doing.
[00:21:27]  So it's destroyduchain.com.org.org.
[00:21:30]  How do you spell Duchesne?
[00:21:32]  Yes.
[00:21:32]  So it's D-U-C-H-E-N-N-E.
[00:21:36]  Awesome.
[00:21:37]  And I have my wristband in the other room.
[00:21:40]  And you give me a nice sweatshirt.
[00:21:42]  Yes.
[00:21:42]  And I'll be at Jack Kibbs Church next week.
[00:21:44]  Yes.
[00:21:45]  And I'll see you there.
[00:21:45]  Awesome.
[00:21:46]  And you're doing great work, man.
[00:21:47]  I want to be supportive of what you're doing and how you're doing it.
[00:21:50]  And so I have a feeling you're going to make a huge breakthrough on this.
[00:21:52]  Thank you.
[00:21:53]  Very soon.
[00:21:53]  So God bless you, man.
[00:21:54]  I appreciate it.
[00:21:55]  Thank you.
[00:21:55]  You bet.
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