The Charlie Kirk Show - Civil War? With Dr. Keith Rose
Aired: 2020-09-21
Duration: 47:09


=== Watching the Marxist Counterstate Mature (08:19) ===

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[00:00:08]  Hey, everybody.
[00:00:09]  Is there a coup against the president?
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[00:01:17]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:18]  Welcome to this special episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
[00:01:20]  I'm super thrilled to be joined by my friend, Dr. Keith Rose.
[00:01:23]  You've been on the program a couple times, Keith, talking about the Chinese coronavirus, but also you have served in the intelligence community for a couple decades.
[00:01:32]  I'll leave it at that.
[00:01:33]  I'll let you fill in the details as you feel comfortable.
[00:01:36]  You and I have been exchanging texts and phone calls about what's happening in our country and about the potential color revolution against our president, how you think there's actually not a deep state in this country, but something a lot more insidious than that and so much more.
[00:01:48]  Keith, please introduce yourself again to the audience through your intelligence background and go at it.
[00:01:54]  Charlie, I want to be kind of opaque in that is just say that I've worked in the intelligence community for several decades.
[00:02:01]  We'll leave it at that.
[00:02:02]  I've worked in countries around the world in our own hemisphere and in others.
[00:02:07]  And what got, and I never mentioned this, I never talked to anyone about this until I came on my own podcast yesterday and said that I had, because what I'm seeing right now, what got me to come out and say, look, this is why I'm saying this, is that I've seen color revolutions.
[00:02:25]  I've seen insurgencies in other countries.
[00:02:28]  I've seen our nation, for the good of our nation, work in other countries in the intelligence world and watching the military work.
[00:02:37]  And when the 2016 elections rolled around, I had something that I had trouble reconciling with myself.
[00:02:43]  I was seeing our intelligence, our intelligence apparatus turned inward.
[00:02:50]  And I was getting a front row view at what I saw was an insurgency.
[00:02:56]  What I saw was something that I didn't want to see because I was seeing information operations being carried out here in the United States of America.
[00:03:05]  And I know several other intelligence professionals, folks that have been in the State Department, folks that were in the military.
[00:03:13]  We were all sitting around, some of us watching this, because we're huge supporters of our president.
[00:03:18]  And we saw our president step down from his position to step in to help our nation.
[00:03:25]  And it was kind of a chilling, chilling time in my life when I got some friends together and we decided we were going to help this president any way we could.
[00:03:36]  So, Keith, can you walk us through what is a color revolution and why do we not have a deep state in our country?
[00:03:43]  And can you just talk in factual matters that this is not some sort of chalkboard, zany-brained theory?
[00:03:50]  This is a real thing that could happen in our country because, Keith, when I talk about this, it gets dismissed immediately by some of the members of the media and some people that don't want to believe it.
[00:04:00]  Can you reinforce how serious this actually is?
[00:04:02]  And then just take a step back and tell us what a colour revolution is.
[00:04:06]  Sure.
[00:04:08]  This is the most critical time in our nation's history, Charlie.
[00:04:13]  The only other time our nation has even approached this state was in 1864 with the election of Abraham Lincoln.
[00:04:23]  Had I believe it was, thinking who was running against Lincoln, McClellan been elected at that time, our country would have split in half.
[00:04:33]  Actually, it would have split in probably three.
[00:04:35]  We would have had a north, a south, because McClellan would have sued for peace, and then you would have had another country out west.
[00:04:41]  And where we are right now in our country is what Abraham Lincoln said.
[00:04:45]  America will never fall from enemies outside our country, but only from enemies within.
[00:04:51]  And what we've had in our country, and I've been doing a lot of looking into this.
[00:04:55]  I've been working behind the scenes with some other guys that I believe are patriots and men of integrity and virtue, is we're watching not the development of a deep state, but we're watching the maturity or the maturing or the completion of a Marxist counterstate that started a long time ago.
[00:05:15]  And this Marxist counter state is why you see, like you talk about so much, critical race theory.
[00:05:21]  We can just start right there with Marxist indoctrination.
[00:05:24]  Critical race theory, anyone that supports that understands that's a tenet of Marxist indoctrination.
[00:05:29]  So I would ask you, why is critical race theory being implemented for a long time in our education system, in our military, and in all branches and departments in government?
[00:05:42]  And how did it get there?
[00:05:43]  How did our education get there?
[00:05:45]  If you look back in the 1930s when John Dewey, John Dewey was someone that was one of the founders, I believe, or one of the principal people in Teachers College and Columbia University.
[00:05:58]  And John Dewey, during that time, went to the Soviet Union twice, and he came back and he said it was a paradise.
[00:06:07]  And so he also had a famous saying at that time.
[00:06:10]  And the reason I bring up Dewey is John Dewey said, Americans think they send their kids to Sunday school one hour a week, and that's all that parents get.
[00:06:20]  They go to Sunday school one hour a week.
[00:06:23]  We have the kids in school five days a week.
[00:06:27]  And so he started that in the teaching and the education system and the Marxist indoctrination.
[00:06:33]  Now, fast forward several decades, and who else do you have?
[00:06:37]  Bill Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist who, again, along the same ideological Marxist communist lines, worked for the Weather Underground.
[00:06:49]  He was unrepentant.
[00:06:51]  And during that time, by the way, Charlie, he went to communist China and Cuba.
[00:06:58]  Now, during the height of the Cold War, to go to communist China and Cuba, you don't just get on a plane and go.
[00:07:03]  You had to have some type of intelligence or some type of ties that would allow you to do that.
[00:07:09]  Now, he came back, he beat the rap for murdering a policeman and blowing up buildings.
[00:07:15]  And instead of going to jail, he went and got his PhD.
[00:07:19]  And now he teaches at Teachers College, Columbia University, and he is one of the heads of the curriculum that provides the elementary school education curriculum for over, I think, half our country and a lot of the major cities.
[00:07:35]  And the reason I tell you that is to understand how the Marxist counter state rose, we first have to understand that it's real.
[00:07:42]  And it's risen because it's being taught.
[00:07:46]  Now, you remember we talked about Yuri Besmanoff.
[00:07:49]  A great podcast on that.
[00:07:51]  I got it from you.
[00:07:52]  Of all the defectors.
[00:07:54]  Well, there was another defector, Stanislav Lunev.
[00:07:57]  He was the highest-ranking GRU, that's their military intelligence officer, ever to defect from the Soviet Union.
[00:08:06]  And he gave an example of ideological subversion because if no one hears anything else today, I pray they understand what you're dealing with is ideological subversion that has been going on for decades.
[00:08:18]  What is that, Keith?

=== Challenge Your Preconceptions Today (02:20) ===

[00:08:19]  Walk us through what that is.
[00:08:21]  Sure.
[00:08:21]  Ideological subversion is just what I spoke about.
[00:08:24]  When you change the curriculum in schools and you get away from the principles of what it is to be an American.
[00:08:33]  And let me briefly step back so people understand the American philosophy.
[00:08:37]  Our principles are rooted in five simple things.
[00:08:40]  And if you understand these five things, then you can understand what's against them.
[00:08:45]  Number one is there are noble moral laws of nature and nature's God.
[00:08:50]  The second thing is everyone is created equal and free.
[00:08:54]  The third is we don't need government to grant us rights because all our rights come from the creator and they're inalienable.
[00:09:01]  And we possess them in our natural state, no matter what color we are.
[00:09:06]  Number four, the only purpose of governments is to secure those God-given rights.
[00:09:12]  And the last thing is governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed.
[00:09:17]  And so when you understand what the American political philosophy is, then you understand our principles of liberty.
[00:09:24]  So the counter state is what they represent that is everything against our principles of liberty.
[00:09:32]  We've got generations of kids that have come out the last 10, 20 or decades of kids, last 10, 20 years that don't even understand the principles of our nation.
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=== Interpreting Lunov's Subversive Ideology (07:52) ===

[00:10:39]  And it's a long march for the institutions countering what the Marxists did to us.
[00:10:44]  That's their phrase, not ours.
[00:10:45]  But Keith, can you tell us about what is being planned through this counter state in our government against the president?
[00:10:52]  Who are these people?
[00:10:53]  This is a hard thing for people to grasp, Keith.
[00:10:55]  I want to fasten on.
[00:10:56]  I really want to focus on this because everyday Americans do not believe us.
[00:11:00]  They do not believe that our government is actually working against the will of the people.
[00:11:05]  How can you help convince people of that?
[00:11:08]  Well, I can give you several examples, but before I do that, let me read to you real quick so you'll understand what we're talking about of what Lunov said when he was talking about how they do subversive ideology.
[00:11:20]  And then I'm going to give you examples of our leaders today and how they're doing it.
[00:11:25]  Go ahead.
[00:11:26]  Lunev wrote, and remember, he was the head of the military intelligence for the Soviet Union.
[00:11:32]  What will be a great surprise to the American people is that the GRU and the KGB had a larger budget for anti-war propaganda in the United States than it did for economic and military support for the Vietnamese.
[00:11:45]  Meaning the ideological subversion budget was much larger than their actual material support for the communist Vietnamese that they were supporting.
[00:11:56]  He says the anti-war propaganda cost the GRU more than $1 billion.
[00:12:00]  But as history shows, it was hugely successful, a hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost because it created an incredible momentum that greatly weakened the U.S. military.
[00:12:14]  And we're seeing that today.
[00:12:16]  We're seeing this insidious movement, not just from communism and Marxism, but from radical Islam.
[00:12:26]  And it's really undermined the principal tenets of liberty.
[00:12:31]  You have to just look back at the Fort Hood shooter.
[00:12:35]  When we called the Fort Hood shooter, what the radical Islamist Major Nadal Hassan, we said that was workplace violence.
[00:12:43]  That wasn't one-off.
[00:12:44]  That was because someone in the bureaucracy, in the military, had been ideologically subverted and they weren't going to say anything.
[00:12:55]  When President Trump came into office and when he was running in 2016, remember the big article about 60 intelligence professionals signed a letter saying that he wasn't fit.
[00:13:06]  One of those was a gentleman by the name of Michael Chertoff, one of the leaders in the intelligence community.
[00:13:12]  He's the same Michael Chertoff that back in 2009 wrote the Memorandum of Words where he basically took radical Islamic extremists out of the counterterrorism manual completely.
[00:13:26]  In fact, he enlisted the help, I believe, of the Muslim Brotherhood to help him write the counterterrorism manual.
[00:13:33]  So we have a long history of this ideological subversion, and it's gotten to all points in our government.
[00:13:43]  Well, can you give some examples, though, of in our government how this exists that are publicly available?
[00:13:48]  I can think of a couple, such as the generals that have said that like Mattis and many others that have recently come out against the president, a completely unprecedented move where they said the president is unfit for office.
[00:14:00]  And I don't want to misspeak, but paraphrasing what they were saying, they're basically saying that if we have to take things into our own hands, we will.
[00:14:08]  Or whether it be Tillerson, when he was Secretary of State, talking about how the orders are not always faithfully filled out from the president, whether it be leaving Afghanistan, it seems like there's dissension within the ranks.
[00:14:22]  Can you build that out for us, Keith?
[00:14:23]  Yes, what they're doing is they're talking about interpretation and the Constitution, the principles that we live by.
[00:14:30]  You realize the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Northwest Ordinance, are part of the organic documents in the founding of this country.
[00:14:38]  They were codified.
[00:14:39]  They're our organic documents that are the law of this nation.
[00:14:43]  And the executive branch is over all of the military.
[00:14:47]  It's not up to them to interpret what's being said.
[00:14:52]  How can we see this?
[00:14:53]  Well, we have a controlled opposition in the Republican Party.
[00:14:56]  When you had an impeachment hearing, that was a sham hearing.
[00:15:00]  It was a sham hearing.
[00:15:02]  And we know that because we had leaks and we saw it.
[00:15:05]  And then you had guys like Trey Gowdy, who never misses the opportunity to miss an opportunity and never really did anything about it.
[00:15:13]  The Republican Party didn't do it.
[00:15:15]  And at the trial, we could not, the Chief Justice Roberts would not even let them say the name of the president's accuser, Eric Carmelo.
[00:15:25]  And what I find even more disconcerting is that the leader of the Senate and even the president of the Senate, I want to know why they didn't ask and say that gentleman's name, because in our nation, we have the right to know the name of our accuser.
[00:15:40]  And so this type of insidious onset, now I'm not saying the Republicans are more of a controlled opposition, but you have Lois Lerner who spied on or who audited Republican groups, conservative groups.
[00:15:54]  You have, I mean, you can go back to the Obama administration and Eric Holder, Fast and Furious.
[00:15:59]  You can go back to giving money to Iran and how we basically subvert the law or change it or interpret it in such a way.
[00:16:08]  that we don't support the Constitution because this is not a battle of right and wrong.
[00:16:12]  It's a battle of evil or just the counterstate versus the American principles that we have today.
[00:16:20]  When the president instituted a travel ban, he was served very poorly because they were already putting people on the planes when I say they, the counterstate, to come to this country.
[00:16:30]  And the travel ban should have been carried out because it's a directive from the commander in chief under Title 50.
[00:16:36]  It should have already been carried out and done.
[00:16:39]  But we have a generation of civil servants and intelligence in the State Department that feel like they can interpret what the orders should be.
[00:16:49]  The best example I can give you is Colonel Vinman.
[00:16:52]  Colonel Vinman, who listened in on the conversation, and so many other people did, said that he didn't agree with the position the president was taking because it was against the stated position or the thought or what the State Department's policy or what they wanted to do.
[00:17:10]  And they are under the president.
[00:17:13]  That is the best example I can give you of this indoctrination.
[00:17:17]  And the sad thing was he should have been fired.
[00:17:19]  He should have been court-martialed and fired immediately.
[00:17:22]  Yeah, he was promoted.
[00:17:23]  One of the guys, George Kent, was promoted.
[00:17:25]  Now George Kenton is in charge of the Belarus desk at the State Department, which actually segues now.
[00:17:30]  It's still going on.
[00:17:30]  Yeah, I want to segue in that way, Keith.
[00:17:32]  So, and I completely agree.
[00:17:34]  I have seen up close and personal how the president has people in his government that hate him, absolutely hate him.
[00:17:40]  And one of those is that woman that used to work for Vice President Pence.
[00:17:44]  And she now came out and says, I'm now voting for Joe Biden.
[00:17:46]  And I was like, I remember seeing you in the White House.
[00:17:48]  Why do you have a security clearance?
[00:17:50]  I mean, if you, I mean, who are you?
[00:17:53]  And so, I mean, let me just transition here, though, Keith, because I want to talk about the applicability of the moment.
[00:17:59]  And we could do a counter state show at a different time.
[00:18:01]  And I think it's exactly right.
[00:18:03]  But here's the reality is now that we're heading up to an election and there are rumblings of a color revolution, which I really want you to build out what that is because you have experience in knowing what a color revolution is against Trump, where you now have George Kent, who has done color revolutions before in Belarus, who now seems to be working with other people to maybe do this in our country.
[00:18:27]  Is that too far to say that, Keith, or is that rooted in facts?
[00:18:31]  I think it's rooted in facts.

=== The Color Revolution in Egypt (02:56) ===

[00:18:32]  Most people will understand what happened in Egypt.
[00:18:36]  That was a color revolution when Mubarak was president.
[00:18:39]  Back in 2000.
[00:18:40]  2010, right, or 11.
[00:18:43]  Back in 2010, you had all the key elements, which is an active counterstate, a compliant media, foreign opposition, and I'll get to that in a second.
[00:18:55]  And then you had peaceful protests that were anything but peaceful because you need that in a color revolution.
[00:19:00]  They had Tahiri Square.
[00:19:02]  And so what happened is after the action in Tahiri Square, President Mubarak came out and said, okay, we'll have elections in a few months.
[00:19:11]  And then that foreign influence actually came from President Obama when he called President Mubarak and said, no, you're going to step down.
[00:19:19]  And they put in Morrissey.
[00:19:21]  And now the Muslim Brotherhood was behind that.
[00:19:24]  Because before that color revolution took place, the head of the Muslim Brotherhood stepped down and someone by the name of Muhammad Badi stepped up.
[00:19:33]  He was previously the head of the Muslim Brotherhoods.
[00:19:37]  I'll just keep it simple, kinetic division, you know, in charge of warfare, assassinations, things like that.
[00:19:42]  He stepped up as the head of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and now he's serving a life sentence in Egypt.
[00:19:48]  And so you saw a color revolution take place.
[00:19:51]  But Charlie, the thing that counters a color revolution is what the Egyptian people did a few years later when 30 million people took to the street in a country of 80 million people and demanded became president.
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[00:20:07]  Thousands of Christians were killed prior to that.
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=== Removing the President Peaceably (15:48) ===

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[00:21:39]  So Keith, let's just actually just get our terms right.
[00:21:41]  And I'm just curious.
[00:21:42]  I don't know the answer.
[00:21:43]  Why is it called a color revolution?
[00:21:45]  Usually when you have it, the revolution is renamed after a color or a flower or something.
[00:21:49]  That's just kind of what people are doing.
[00:21:51]  So this is just as a term.
[00:21:53]  This is kind of when a revolution of a sort happens.
[00:21:57]  Correct.
[00:21:57]  Okay.
[00:21:58]  So when we say color revolution, we mean an insurgency to displace a person who's in power.
[00:22:03]  Is that a fair way to say it?
[00:22:05]  That is a fair way.
[00:22:07]  And the reason I keep going back to counter state is because it is countering the government that is there.
[00:22:12]  It's a complete replacement of the governments there.
[00:22:15]  It's a replacement of our American principles, of our Constitution, of our Declaration of Independence.
[00:22:22]  And so has the agency or our assets, we've successfully implemented color revolutions before.
[00:22:27]  You've mentioned Egypt.
[00:22:29]  Some people say Eastern Europe.
[00:22:31]  And I don't want to get too...
[00:22:32]  Well, I don't know who implemented them, but yes, there's been color revolutions on a business.
[00:22:36]  I'm asking for a reason that our government has a playbook to put forth the usurpation of power, basically.
[00:22:45]  Someone's in power we don't like.
[00:22:46]  We want to remove that person.
[00:22:48]  And so what you're saying is the ingredients for this kind of a revolution is a counter state, a compliant media, peaceful protesters, and what else you mentioned?
[00:22:58]  That are violent.
[00:22:58]  That are actually violent.
[00:23:00]  That are violent.
[00:23:01]  And then you have to have foreign influence.
[00:23:04]  Now get into that.
[00:23:05]  Foreign influence would be other governments that will push to have the change, or they will put money financially behind that to have the change.
[00:23:17]  If you want to look at it from a United States standpoint, you have to delegitimize the current government or the current leader of the government in order to get a color revolution really moving full steam.
[00:23:29]  Let me give you an example.
[00:23:30]  Could delegitimize them by lying about them and saying there was a Russian collusion.
[00:23:35]  So immediately you think, remember, the left, the radical left, projects.
[00:23:41]  So they say he has, there's basically saying about our president, what's actually happening with them.
[00:23:46]  It's very Orwell.
[00:23:47]  Yeah.
[00:23:48]  Very much so.
[00:23:49]  Then you do things like you bring out people that say that he said something bad about me or he touched me.
[00:23:55]  So you not only delegitimize someone, but then you remove them from a moral high ground.
[00:24:01]  So you, you, you, it's a sub-narrative, so to speak.
[00:24:04]  And then you keep pushing that.
[00:24:06]  And you keep using the same words over and over again.
[00:24:08]  And then you might use something like, I don't know, obstruction of justice.
[00:24:12]  Not only have you delegitimize them, not only have you removed them from the moral high ground, but then you criminalize them.
[00:24:18]  Yeah.
[00:24:18]  So that you have to, in a color revolution, you have to get the best way as Yuri Besmanov talked about the useful idiots.
[00:24:25]  You have to get the people that are not directly involved in the kinetic aspect of it or understand the kinetic aspect.
[00:24:34]  That's a word not everyone can relate to.
[00:24:36]  The kinetic aspect is when you cause violence.
[00:24:38]  Got it.
[00:24:39]  Okay.
[00:24:40]  We had a pre-violent phase.
[00:24:41]  All of these have a pre-violent phase, and we saw that leading up the past few years.
[00:24:45]  And now we're in a very violent phase of the color revolution.
[00:24:48]  So do you think it's fair to say that there are forces in our government and connected to our government that are trying to execute a form of a color revolution against Trump?
[00:24:58]  There's no question.
[00:25:00]  Charlie, when they, one of the largest FBI cases that ever happened was the Holy Land Foundation trial.
[00:25:09]  And when they found the head of the Muslim Brotherhood at that time and the FBI raided their office, they removed truckloads of boxes of documents.
[00:25:18]  Of those documents that they found and introduced into evidence, not hearsay, but introduced into evidence, none of that evidence was countered.
[00:25:27]  None of it was appealed.
[00:25:28]  And in that evidence that they found that they showed to be true was actually the Muslim Brotherhood's stated objective here in this country, which was to destroy America.
[00:25:38]  And they also found something called the phases of an underground movement plan.
[00:25:42]  And that's the important part of that.
[00:25:44]  And you have a lot of the Muslim Brotherhood that are currently in our government today.
[00:25:48]  So I think it's important to know what they're doing.
[00:25:50]  I don't doubt that.
[00:25:51]  And I want to dive into that more at a future date.
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[00:26:55]  So the rumblings of the call revolution, we see that they have already posted the activist beacons and calls to try to occupy the White House with tens of thousands of people from now to the election.
[00:27:06]  There's now a precedent for violence being excused.
[00:27:09]  You saw that ridiculous book that we deconstructed, The Case for Looting.
[00:27:14]  You now have Soros-funded DAs all across the country.
[00:27:16]  You have Muriel Bowser, who actually might be one of the most important people in the country, because if DC had a common sense mayor, a lot of this would be shut down.
[00:27:26]  And I am convinced, I want your thoughts on this, Keith, the physical terrain surrounding where the president is actually making decisions matters.
[00:27:35]  The actual turf, where the protesters are.
[00:27:38]  So let's say this plays out.
[00:27:40]  Let's say that the president fills the, I want to get into the Supreme Court part of it because I actually think that this is a unpredicted element here.
[00:27:47]  There's a little uncertainty here, but I want to leave that aside.
[00:27:50]  Let's say the president on election night is not able to, we're not able to determine who the winner is, okay?
[00:27:56]  Because of all the ballots, it might look like the president is winning.
[00:28:00]  And then the next day, there are 300,000 people that show up outside of the White House.
[00:28:06]  What's the plan here?
[00:28:07]  What can decent patriots do to make sure that a color revolution through the media, through a counter state, and through the protesters, that we make sure we don't lose our republic?
[00:28:17]  What can be done?
[00:28:19]  Charlie, what has to be done is when I started out with the thermostat versus thermometer, the thermostat president has to set the temperature for this, and he needs to do it before the elections.
[00:28:32]  President Trump, no pun intended, holds the Trump card.
[00:28:35]  He is the commander in chief.
[00:28:37]  There are several things that he can do to prevent that from happening because, like you said, the left only sees two outcomes to this election, and neither one of those has President Trump becoming president.
[00:28:48]  I think the left understands that he's going to win by an overwhelming majority.
[00:28:53]  But the president needs to, number one, and I think he does, recognize the situation he's in and understand that there is help out there for him.
[00:29:03]  He has been firewalled since he has come into office by a controlled opposition, a Republican establishment that has not really given him the tools he needs to be successful.
[00:29:16]  And I will tell you, his successes, which are numerous, are nothing short of a miracle with all the headwinds that he has had.
[00:29:24]  So he would come in immediately and he needs to look at the problems who in the military have said and talked about a coup.
[00:29:32]  They should get, they should have a record of, you know, they should have records put in their files.
[00:29:39]  They should get reassigned overseas, right?
[00:29:42]  I mean, you could reassign them.
[00:29:44]  You could move them.
[00:29:44]  You could do letters in their files that would...
[00:29:48]  Get them out of the Pentagon and go put them to an act of war zone or something.
[00:29:51]  That way they can't, they don't have access to the media.
[00:29:53]  Is that right?
[00:29:55]  Yes.
[00:29:55]  Letters of reprimand need to go in all their files because what they're doing is seditious and it's against the uniform code of military justice.
[00:30:04]  So he could put in letters of reprimand.
[00:30:07]  He could also at the same time do a basically the president needs to do a proclamation to disperse.
[00:30:15]  That proclamation to disperse is, he needs to do that in writing.
[00:30:20]  And that has to be done prior to triggering the Insurrection Act.
[00:30:23]  He would do a proclamation to disperse and give a date by which these crowds need to disperse.
[00:30:29]  He would then pick someone.
[00:30:31]  And this is the interesting part.
[00:30:32]  In the military, there's some good officers.
[00:30:34]  But as you know, because of President Obama's executive order, a lot of good officers were purged.
[00:30:40]  And a lot of people don't realize that during World War II, before the start of World War II, I believe General Patton was a colonel and Eisenhower was a major.
[00:30:50]  Now, Eisenhower just a few years ended up being a five-star journal.
[00:30:53]  So the president could look back, reach back with good advice and find solid officers that could step in and enforce the Insurrection Act, that could go in and bring people in that could protect the president.
[00:31:09]  And absolutely.
[00:31:11]  And we've talked about the Insurrection Act that the president should sign.
[00:31:15]  And if the election gets contentious, there's two things.
[00:31:18]  The president, I think, should leave the White House and go to Camp David.
[00:31:21]  It is much more secure and it deflates a lot of the energy if they're protesting to an empty house.
[00:31:26]  I really believe that.
[00:31:26]  Do you agree with that?
[00:31:27]  Yeah.
[00:31:29]  Change the physical location.
[00:31:30]  Go to Camp David.
[00:31:30]  It's in the middle of nowhere.
[00:31:31]  You can't get near it.
[00:31:32]  It's on a military base.
[00:31:33]  They won't get near it.
[00:31:34]  The White House is actually a lot more physically fragile than people realize.
[00:31:38]  And I'm not saying that their goal is to storm the White House physically, but they got close to it back in June.
[00:31:43]  You remember 67, I'm just picking from memory.
[00:31:47]  I could be wrong.
[00:31:48]  Secret Service people were hurt or something.
[00:31:49]  I might have been 40 or it was in the dozens.
[00:31:52]  The other thing is, this, Keith, do you agree?
[00:31:54]  And Darren Beattie said this on our show, and it's a provocative idea that Trump supporters should not sacrifice the physical terrain where this conversation is going to be happening.
[00:32:03]  That if this election gets being put into contention, that Trump supporting American patriots should peacefully assemble and counter the insurrectionists and the BLM people.
[00:32:12]  Do you agree with that?
[00:32:14]  I think they should.
[00:32:14]  That's why I brought up what happened in Egypt when 30 million people took to the streets.
[00:32:20]  I think we have to.
[00:32:21]  Charlie, we are in the fight for our country like never before, and you can't be on the sidelines for this fight.
[00:32:28]  And the interesting thing is, I believe that there are a lot of people out there that want to help President Trump that are being firewalled from getting to him.
[00:32:37]  Because again, you understand the ideological subversion.
[00:32:40]  And this is an important point.
[00:32:42]  Ideological subversion is at its largest areas in the human resource departments all over the government.
[00:32:50]  I mean, when Stroke was fired from Mueller's investigation, where was he reassigned to the human resource department?
[00:32:57]  You have that going on right now.
[00:32:59]  And then the presidential, and when he, when people come to work at the White House in the office where they hire them, you need to see: is the person in there ideologically subverted?
[00:33:10]  Because in President Trump's second term, he's going to have to deal with this ideological subversion.
[00:33:17]  It is so bad that you would do something like take the head of the Department of Education and move them as a principal undersecretary to the Department of Defense for education and counter subversion.
[00:33:31]  Give them a bigger budget because the Department of Education has had a $68 billion budget and has been using that to work against this country.
[00:33:40]  You can see that.
[00:33:41]  And the other thing is this: that every Trump supporter out there has to do is if you take to the streets, film everything.
[00:33:47]  The more you expose what these people are doing and publicizing it, they don't like that.
[00:33:52]  That's why these people try to wear masks outside of the virus.
[00:33:55]  They have always worn masks.
[00:33:57]  Just so happens that they're all wearing masks now.
[00:33:59]  And so, but that's the other thing: you film everything and then you can win public opinion.
[00:34:04]  So, Keith, I want to get your opinion here.
[00:34:06]  And we're about to real quick, real quick.
[00:34:08]  I want to tell you the one thing you can ask people.
[00:34:11]  You asked me for an example of this ideological subversion.
[00:34:15]  When you had a group of special agents in the FBI kneeling before the BLM, they were out in public kneeling before Black Lives Matter.
[00:34:29]  That is an example.
[00:34:31]  And most of our listeners, most of our listeners have no idea that ever happened.
[00:34:36]  Yep.
[00:34:37]  Yeah.
[00:34:37]  But you can look it up.
[00:34:39]  I mean, no, I'm not doubting it.
[00:34:40]  I'm just saying it's, I remember seeing it too.
[00:34:43]  So, Keith, can you now?
[00:34:44]  Can you, we're about to do a podcast on this.
[00:34:46]  Can you contribute your thoughts on how the president filling this vacant Supreme Court seat plays into this color revolution?
[00:34:53]  How does it play into the election?
[00:34:55]  How does it play into the landscape?
[00:34:57]  I'm of the opinion that it's actually going to deflate and disperse a lot of the resources.
[00:35:01]  Now, they might raise a lot of money for their candidates, but I actually think that's going to, I think that was going to be bound to happen anyway.
[00:35:08]  But I think that if the president is able to fill the fifth conservative on the Supreme Court, because we have Turncoat Roberts and the other three Marxists on the Supreme Court, then that is going to be a death blow to the left that I think, quite honestly, could make this election in Trump's favor.
[00:35:26]  What's your opinion on that?
[00:35:27]  Absolutely.
[00:35:28]  This is a call to action.
[00:35:30]  This is a call to action for every conservative, Republican or Democrat that loves your country.
[00:35:35]  You should be flooding the senators' offices.
[00:35:38]  I believe that President Trump has to appoint someone.
[00:35:41]  What that will do is the left only has so many of their key agitators that they can use.
[00:35:48]  And we are, and like I told you, this has brought everything to a boil.
[00:35:53]  And this is going to force them to use these people.
[00:35:56]  And the American people are going to see what they are about.
[00:35:59]  They're no longer able to hide it.
[00:36:00]  You've heard Nancy Pelosi and several leaders talk about nothing's off the table.
[00:36:05]  Well, they're threatening the American principles because the president has a constitutional right and I would say duty to appoint that person.
[00:36:13]  And the Senate has that.
[00:36:15]  So if you look at this just from a military analogy, do you think that this will spread their troops out very thin?
[00:36:20]  It'll not only spread it, it'll use their resources, both emotionally and financially.
[00:36:27]  It will also, it'll happen so fast that when things happen fast, people make mistakes.
[00:36:32]  And it might give the Marshal Service, just to say, and some others, the idea what's going on.
[00:36:38]  Charlie, there's an interesting thing.
[00:36:39]  There's an intermediate ground that the president can take.
[00:36:43]  He has non-military options.
[00:36:44]  One of those is the military support disability mission.
[00:36:48]  And in that, it allows the president to activate the military intelligence services so that they can help him evaluate this insurrection and what's going on right now.
[00:36:58]  So if he appoints this judge and everyone comes out quickly and rallies their support, I will let you know from firsthand experience that there's probably an airplane flying around to these different areas where they're having riots, dropping off money and information.
[00:37:15]  Just let's just call it that.

=== Taking Back Our Country Now (09:52) ===

[00:37:17]  And so they would have a better chance using what the president has at his disposal.
[00:37:24]  And I can't drive this home enough.
[00:37:26]  The president has more remedies at his disposal than I believe he's being told.
[00:37:33]  And there are a lot of patriots that everyone has done everything in their power to keep them out of his orbit that can help him and direct him during this time.
[00:37:44]  And there are people that don't want anything other than to see him be successful because we have a president that's a leader because he identified a problem and he understands it.
[00:37:54]  And there are people out there that can help him fix it.
[00:37:57]  And I don't think some of his people that are close to him, I don't think they're wrong or bad.
[00:38:01]  I just don't think they understand.
[00:38:02]  And the Republicans in the establishment that do understand are doing everything they can not to let him know or help him.
[00:38:09]  So Keith, some people think that we are barreling towards a civil war.
[00:38:14]  I hate using that term because it's such a weighted term.
[00:38:17]  I think it's overused.
[00:38:19]  This feels much more like a revolution than a civil war.
[00:38:22]  And we've had revolutionary attempts before in our country's history.
[00:38:27]  And I think the only way to keep the country together is by actually getting the president reelected.
[00:38:33]  I'm afraid that if Biden wins clumsily through finding ballots and all these different ways, it'll be very unhealthy for the country in a very significant way.
[00:38:43]  What is your opinion to how to remedy this?
[00:38:45]  Because Keith, you and I actually want to live in a stable civil country, hopefully in the next couple of years.
[00:38:49]  We're not there right now.
[00:38:51]  So I think I see this going one of two ways.
[00:38:53]  And I don't mean it politically.
[00:38:54]  Either the revolutionaries are going to win and the Bolsheviks are going to take over, or we're going to have the stable constitutional republic that I grew up with that you fought for so hard.
[00:39:05]  How do we get back to that form of stable living?
[00:39:10]  Because my opinion is a country cannot sustain a half of a decade of instability.
[00:39:15]  Eventually, that is going to be, it's going to be a breaking point, right?
[00:39:19]  And it will fracture.
[00:39:20]  People will lose their patience.
[00:39:22]  And now we're about nine months into the shutdowns, the lockdowns, the economic crisis, the BLM riots.
[00:39:28]  Now we have the Supreme Court in an election.
[00:39:30]  Eventually, there will be an inflection point that I think is very dangerous.
[00:39:33]  How do we remedy that?
[00:39:35]  Well, I had this discussion with our good friend Bob McEwen.
[00:39:38]  He's terrific.
[00:39:39]  And the way we remedy that is twofold.
[00:39:43]  Number one, the same people that through willful ignorance or intentionally did not help our president when he came into office, and I'm talking about the Republican establishment, the Republicans, they need to hear your voice, that they need to get out and help the president because they will be held responsible.
[00:40:01]  This country will hold together if our president is re-elected because the American people want to see the rule of law established.
[00:40:10]  We weren't designed.
[00:40:12]  It's not in our DNA to watch people riot.
[00:40:14]  It's not in our DNA to be told what to do to raise your hand in the air.
[00:40:19]  So, number one, you have to contact your leaders at the state, local, and national level and tell them enough is enough.
[00:40:27]  And that sounds trite, but it's not.
[00:40:29]  Second of all, we have to get out in numbers that we've never seen before.
[00:40:33]  We need a physical presence.
[00:40:35]  I really believe this.
[00:40:36]  Yes.
[00:40:36]  I believe that with all my heart.
[00:40:38]  You know, I would recommend, Charlie, that instead of the black square on all your social media, the way we could show millions of people support our president is put a flag on it.
[00:40:48]  If you had 100 million flags on different social media accounts, you would see the support for our president.
[00:40:56]  It would be like they did in Egypt.
[00:40:57]  They didn't have that opportunity in 2014, I believe, to do that.
[00:41:01]  So they just stepped outside.
[00:41:02]  Yes.
[00:41:02]  But we could show, if we show the elites and those that think that they can rule over us against the principles of liberty, we could do it something simple like that and drive it.
[00:41:13]  Because when the president is re-elected, I believe he'll deal with a lot of these problems that's cracked our country.
[00:41:18]  Well, and I think that an outside group such as ours will begin the planning stages for peaceful, that's right, peaceful, we're not BLM Inc., physical demonstrations the minute that there is not a winner in every state capital across the country, especially in the battleground states where the state counting is happening, the ballot counting.
[00:41:37]  And this Roger Stone, God bless him, he was the only one back when the ballots were being counted in Tallahassee, Bush versus Gore, when all the gore paid union protesters are out there.
[00:41:48]  Roger Stone was like, why don't we have anyone up there?
[00:41:50]  And so then he drove up all of his friends and just 100 Bush supporters changed the landscape of the media coverage from gore people to all of a sudden a debate looms over.
[00:42:00]  It's a completely different representation when there were Bush flags and they were, and you understand that because what the left wants is a dominance of the streets.
[00:42:10]  Can you just reinforce how important that is that it's important that you leave your home and you go speak to your mother?
[00:42:18]  Tell us why.
[00:42:19]  Or you won't have a home because Kamala Harris said it best.
[00:42:23]  They're going to continue.
[00:42:24]  They're going to continue now.
[00:42:26]  They're going to continue up to the election.
[00:42:28]  And she said, and they're going to continue after the election.
[00:42:32]  And they should.
[00:42:33]  Her words, not mine.
[00:42:35]  So you are not going to sit this one out whether you want to or not.
[00:42:39]  The difference is, are you going to be a part of the greatest event in our country ever, I think, to re-elect President Trump and put us on a path back to the principles of America?
[00:42:54]  Or are you going to be one of those that sat by and said, you know, I'm just going to, I'm going to raise my fist and sit in a chair.
[00:42:59]  And they're not going to let you, by the way.
[00:43:01]  They're going to come to your house eventually.
[00:43:03]  Because if anyone understands insurrection, if anyone understands Marxist ideology, it never stops.
[00:43:10]  And so this is a time to be excited.
[00:43:12]  I would encourage the president to set up a good task force outside his take his head of his COVID task force, add people to it to get a handle on that so we can get our economy continued moving.
[00:43:25]  I would have the president get a good person in the military, and there are a lot of them out there, that could put into motion how they would deal with this insurrection.
[00:43:34]  I would be firing out letters of reprimand to these people that are outright being seditious and breaking the business.
[00:43:40]  Like James Mattis and McCrystal.
[00:43:42]  What are they doing?
[00:43:42]  That's correct.
[00:43:43]  And General Mattis knows he is.
[00:43:45]  These generals all had their New York rise under President Obama.
[00:43:49]  And enough is enough because there are good people out there.
[00:43:53]  We need to see the principles that made this country great restored.
[00:43:58]  And it needs to happen now.
[00:43:59]  Yeah.
[00:43:59]  And the president, I think, with this Supreme Court seat is on his way to get reelected.
[00:44:08]  And they're going to try to do everything they possibly can to try to prevent that.
[00:44:12]  Well, Keith, thank you so much for joining us today.
[00:44:14]  Any closing thoughts?
[00:44:15]  Yeah, Charlie, you just triggered something in me, not in a bad way.
[00:44:19]  Okay, good.
[00:44:21]  The head of the Russian Joint Chiefs of Staff was a guy named Akra Mayoff.
[00:44:28]  And Akra Mayoff was the head of the Soviet, the Communist-Soviet Joint Chiefs.
[00:44:33]  And when the wall fell and communism was destroyed in 1991, he committed suicide.
[00:44:39]  And he wrote in his note, all that I have believed in and fought for has been destroyed.
[00:44:46]  When free people get out and demand freedom and they do it in the right way, communism, Marxism, whatever is eating at the fabric will be defeated.
[00:44:59]  And this man saw it.
[00:45:00]  This man was riding high over everything and he saw what the Soviet Union had built up destroyed.
[00:45:06]  And so I would say, I think we're better than that as American people.
[00:45:11]  And we are going to rise up now.
[00:45:12]  We're not going to let it get to that point.
[00:45:14]  Well, thank you, Keith.
[00:45:15]  I completely agree.
[00:45:16]  And any way that people can be in touch with you?
[00:45:18]  Are you just any social media or anything?
[00:45:21]  Yeah, I do a podcast because it's cheaper than therapy.
[00:45:25]  As you know, I'm an entrepreneur.
[00:45:27]  I'm a surgeon.
[00:45:28]  I stay pretty busy, but I'm going to be out and about.
[00:45:30]  I'm going to be with you doing some work for our president.
[00:45:34]  I'm going to be at some fundraisers.
[00:45:36]  I'm going to be speaking at some events because I believe this is a time.
[00:45:41]  I never talk about my past, but it's a time that has to be spoken about because I've had a front row seat at, you know, we could do a whole show on the failures of our intelligence community.
[00:45:52]  Yeah, no kidding.
[00:45:52]  And we don't have any more lone wolves like one of the Tarsanoff brothers.
[00:45:57]  We knew about him from the beginning.
[00:45:59]  And you want to know about the ideological dysfunction.
[00:46:02]  The FBI was asking people if they knew who this guy was after they'd interviewed him twice.
[00:46:07]  We have known wolves.
[00:46:08]  And it's either, again, it's either malfeasance or it's nefarious.
[00:46:14]  So as citizens, we have to come out and take back our country peaceably, but we have to do it in person.
[00:46:22]  This isn't a spectator event.
[00:46:23]  That's right.
[00:46:23]  Well, Keith, God bless you, man.
[00:46:25]  Thanks so much for joining us today.
[00:46:26]  And everybody, you guys can email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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