Clif High - Complex vs complicated

May 24, 2024 - Clif High

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Complex vs complicated

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	Hello humans.
	Hello humans.
	It's uh 24th of May.
	Going into Memorial Day weekend.
	It's um early Friday morning.
	It's like 2 30 in the a.m. something like that.
	Or shortly thereafter.
	Heading up north.
	I'm gonna go do a pick up a delivery.
	Getting some uh special stuff sent to me, and I gotta go collect it.
	Anyway, so I wanted to talk for a bit about um so I've got a multiple hour drive.
	I'm not gonna talk for multiple hours.
	Um I have to head up north like four hours here.
	Something like that.
	Anyway, just headed out.
	So I'm a little on the fuzz-headed side, still waking up.
	I used to do shift work and knew I was gonna do this, so I had reset my schedule over these last few days so it wouldn't be so brutal uh trying to get up at 1 a.m. in order to get there by pickup time.
	Um anyway, so uh had a chance to watch the um three plus hours of uh Rogan and uh Terence Howard.
	I didn't know who the fuck Terence Howard was.
	I I don't watch movies much because usually they're all um you know Wilconi and all the hell and gone, so they disturb me.
	So you know just gonna get irritated, right?
	Um so the um uh you know I I had no real prior knowledge of this guy.
	Anyway, he's he's interesting, he's uh talking about a lot of stuff I know about.
	I read Walter Russell back in like the um early 60s and then it then again in the 70s, something like that.
	I've got the entire collection of his works, even have a uh very um high quality production of the um the universal one, which is his uh I don't uh I guess you'd say ontology uh or cosmology.
	He doesn't use any math in his description of physics, which is why he was um uh discounted by all of the uh physicists in our um um social order here uh is because they're all based around um a math framework, and if you don't do math, then you know you you don't count, which is basically what it is, right?
	However, um the highest expression of math so far uh has been um calculus written out as words, right?
	To be able to to discuss mathematics in words.
	So anyway, this could be a bit of a rambling thing, but um, and I'm still uh still taking my vitamins and stuff.
	Um, hang on a second.
	Um, hang on a second.
	I've gotta get a lot more coffee in me.
	Have to stop and do a few things along the way, get fuel and such.
	Anyway, so um the issue is uh complexity versus complications, okay.
	And so the thing about Walter Russell, um all right, so let me back up a bit and say that uh Terence Howard cited as some of his sources, Walter Russell, who was uh a brilliant thinker, uh, and a pretty good writer.
	I mean he he put it across really well.
	Um he's more friendly than say um Buckminster Fuller, okay, and a lot of the stuff, I don't know that um Terence Howard has really delved into or read Synergetics, okay, which was a work that was produced by Buckminster Fuller And a bunch of other people like assistants, right?
	And they put together this um this very impressive work that actually has a lot of the math and so on in it, uh, that I think Terence Howard would find it at you know refreshingly lined with what he's talking about.
	And um uh Fuller wrote this.
	It's a um damn logging trucks, 2:30 in the morning.
	Geez, you know, these guys run they've got to get it done because it can't run through the weekend because of Memorial Day weekend, there's gonna be a lot of tourists out here, and so they've been running all night.
	Uh I sort of heard him as I was trying to get some sleep last night.
	Um they have to grind up this hill that in the town I live in here, so or the village.
	Anyway, though, so um so Terrence Howard uh cited Walter Russell, he cited a bunch of other people, and one of the people he cites is this guy, John Keely.
	Now, here's where it gets gets tricky, right?
	Because everybody stumbles over John Keely.
	I thought he was legit too, right?
	Everybody does when you run into him, and and this gets to the point of complication versus uh complex or complexity, right?
	And so um Walter Russell's stuff is uh disarmingly um simple in its presentation, and it is amazingly complex, all right, but it's not complicated.
	Uh Keely, on the other hand, was accepted in the 1800s.
	He was like in the 1800s he was um a kid in the 1820s, and he was like a um uh I think maybe he died in the 1870s.
	It was something like that.
	Uh he was a millionaire when he died, a multimillionaire, uh, but he was a fraud.
	Uh so we know he was a fraud here.
	Um because after he all right, so he made these inventions.
	Uh he he claimed to have discovered a new motive force, a new kind of force, okay.
	So it'd be the equivalent of saying, I've discovered in the electromagnetic spectrum something that is between you know X-rays and visible light, all right?
	Something like that.
	So you discover a new uh physical phenomena, and that's what he was claiming.
	Uh he was saying that that um uh he, John Keeley, had uh discovered this new motive force, and it was based on sound, and you had to do all this weird stuff to get it to work, but he made these engines, and these engines were marvelously complex, or complicated, sorry, not complex, they were complicated.
	There were little bits and pieces of brass everywhere, there were copper tubing, um, there was brass tubing, there were brass spheres, uh, there were shined uh chrome-plated steel spheres there.
	Uh there were um uh bearing surfaces and all kinds of stuff, and this fucker moved.
	All right, you could do things, he would he would go over to these little cabinets and demonstrate this, right?
	Now, his whole thing was he was a fraud, and so uh his whole point was to create a fake engine, and then he got investors uh to finish it out to make it practical, right?
	And so he um uh he would collect millions of dollars this way, where he ended up getting millions of dollars out of very well-heeled people in Philadelphia, New York, etc.
	People would travel hundreds of miles to go to his house to uh see this stuff uh demonstrated and to give him money.
	And bear in mind now, you know, we're talking cash in that day.
	They were talking gold and silver, constitutional money.
	So if they were gonna give him money, they had to bring the goods to him.
	Anyway, so that's what he did.
	He um uh he had a had a scheme and he built these marvelous contraptions that appeared to work, and then he built a uh uh scientific uh word salad as um uh Brett Weinstein described uh Terence Howard, but he but he built this word salad that was quasi scientific sounding.
	Um And people bought it because these machines moved.
	And then what he would say was he'd just basically his whole scam was this that he said, I have discovered this new motive force.
	We can use it to power anything.
	It doesn't require fuel.
	It requires that you do things ahead of time to make it work.
	And then once it does start working, you can uh turn it on and it just goes forever and ever and ever on no fuel.
	But it's not quite yet practical to make a uh derivative engine to uh to make an engine that you could like, for instance, derive electricity from by connecting it to uh a genset.
	They were after making it into trains, and what we would think of as uh early forms of cars, right?
	Motive wagons, he called it or motational wagons.
	It was a weird uh variant on um motion.
	Anyway, so but it was all based on these wagons, and they were gonna stick these things in the wagons, and you wouldn't need horses anymore.
	Um anyway, so uh he had these machines, they worked marvelously, people would gather down there.
	He had a huge um coterie of um adherents that believed that this guy was the smartest fucker around, just absolute genius, and so on.
	And um then for like I want to say maybe 40 years, he kept this scam going, collecting money from investors, and he would pay off some investors with the money from the new investors, a la Ponzi scheme style.
	Uh but basically his whole thing was to just collect money from people, as he was theoretically working on getting these engines to the point where you could derive power from them.
	Um, because they were they were fundamentally, he was saying they were based on sound.
	And so he would do these things that supposedly you had to do in order to make this work.
	You were you had to change the nature of matter, and basically it was like you played music to it, right?
	And and it was supposed to absorb all these frequencies of of the music, the sounds, and then it was going to be um transformed by those over a course of a couple of days up to a couple of months, depending on the material, and then it would be a different material and it would react differently, and uh you could use that material in his engines, and these engines would function.
	And he built a number of these devices.
	He also built one that um would talk to the dead.
	I kid you not.
	I mean, this was the the height of the um seance era and all of that here in the US, so you know, it was kind of a um uh uh fitting with that.
	I mean, it it fit in with uh the uh ethos of the time relative to what they were all discussing.
	So he would he would alter his um efforts with this new motive force uh to um take advantage of of the current thing in his milieu, and um one at one point he got himself into trouble because of some stuff he'd said was reported into a local paper,
	I think it was Philadelphia, and they um and it came across he got got a bunch of Christians pissed at him because uh of this talking to the dead thing,
	and they weren't really pissed at him because of the what they call necromancy, um, but they were pissed at him because they thought, uh-oh, if this force is what he's using to make his engines run, and you use it to talk to the dead, is it the the actual spirits of the dead?
	Are you enslaving dead people to make your engines run, right?
	And so there was some thought about this, and it got him um got him into some trouble.
	Uh, you know, people gave him some shit about it.
	Anyway, um so anyway, so uh the whole thing, by the way, ran on compressed air.
	Uh he was a um a pretty good engineer, right?
	And this was this was interesting.
	When Keeley died, um some of his adherents there uh uh went to his house right away and they took out uh a couple of his machines, and they they took them away to do the perfection on their own.
	They thought they worked, right?
	And so they were just going to complete the effort, and they would be the next uh, you know, genius inventor, right?
	They would be the um next uh cotton gin inventor.
	I mean, it wasn't they didn't have big inventions at that time, they were just heading into it.
	This was, you know, as we were busting out of the Kali Yuga, this 150 plus years later, and so it's just really starting to take off.
	Anyway, he's um hang on a second here.
	What the hell?
	So he's doing this, he's doing this stuff that is um uh supposedly all based on sound, and yet, and there were noises involved.
	So that that part made sense.
	Hang on.
	All right.
	Uh that part made sense that these machines would make noises and stuff, right?
	But what he was actually doing was running it all off compressed air.
	He had a giant steel sphere and uh two different kinds of engines, uh, you know, traditional engines.
	One was um like a pump, like a hand pump, giant hand pump.
	Uh, but he had these um methods for for compressing the air down there.
	And so this was down in the basement.
	He had this uh intricate, intricate, buried in the walls, carried through the floor, all of this kind of stuff for all this tubing to conduct the compressed air all around the house, and they and he um ran his machines on uh what we know as the Corollis effect, right?
	Which is where you um uh just pass uh rapidly moving air over a smooth uh surface that can rotate and it will rotate, it'll move.
	Uh there need not be any veins on it or you know, that kind of thing.
	It'll just move because of the aerodynamic pressures because it is truly a pressure issue.
	So excuse me.
	So Keeley makes these things.
	Um he dies.
	Uh people take his engines, a couple of them out of his house.
	His adherents sort of like his cult kind of like raids the place after they find out he's dead, and then a bunch of people move in, the investors move in and seize all of the goods and stuff.
	At the time that they did that, uh, there were two um newspaper reporters that were local.
	Again, I think it's Philadelphia for some reason, so I don't know.
	I'll have to check the actual location.
	But uh there were these two reporters, one of whom had thought uh that that Keeley was right on the verge, you know, he'd been uh uh sort of an adherent, he'd written some uh favorable articles over the years about the guy.
	The guy's getting old, but he appears to be really sharp and he appears to have made some kind of conceptual breakthrough in those last couple of years uh that are going to put the engines uh out there and working, right?
	Now bear in mind this has been a 30, 40 year effort.
	Um anyway, the other reporter thought that Keeley was a fraud, but they were they were nonetheless, they were buddies, and they they were working this stuff, and then they go to Keeley's house as the investors are there at the um invitation of one of the investor guys,
	one of the guys who had stuck multiple millions in there, and they go on in to the uh to his house after the investors had been there for several hours or maybe even the previous day as well, and the reporters come on in and the investors are like really shaken.
	Um, like, you know, pale and and ready to throw up and all of this kind of stuff.
	And it um that's when they had discovered the compressed air and the um stuff down in Keeley's workshop uh that uh kept the air compressed and uh the routed it and all of his switches and stuff.
	So what's really interesting as an aside to that is that some years later, 10 years later, an engineer for the US military at a military base nearby, who had been involved in the as a child in the deconstruction of it all and the and the mapping of it all,
	so to speak, of the fraud, um wrote a um wrote it all up in a military journal, and he talks about uh how you know Keeley really was a genius, he was a pneumatic genius, that he had several uh devices um that he had invented in his uh fraud that were were unique in the um pneumatic trade as it existed at that point.
	Uh pneumatism was you know like a science then.
	They were just really getting into it, they thought it was its own motive force in a way, and so on and so on.
	So um, so anyway, so the guy made the statement that you know Keeley was just a pneumatic genius.
	There were two types of valves in there, ended up uh they were getting they got patented by other people, but as far as anybody can tell, uh he was the first to ever invent these.
	Uh, one of them was really interesting because it was um in my interesting to me, uh, because it was a valve type I'd never seen before that used uh fitted uh slivers of metal uh that would all collapse and fill the pipe uh if the if it was if there was back pressure.
	Uh but as long as the pressure was headed out the way it should be, no worries, the pipe would stay open.
	Anyway, so um so Keely is a fraud, and uh Terence Howard uh runs into him, and I don't know that Terence Howard is aware that Keely was a fraud.
	You almost have to investigate Keely as an individual because so many good articles appeared about him, so much stuff was written about him in the early days, and no one suspected duplicity, right?
	They didn't expect that he was a fraud.
	So they they thought all of this um these alkalades were well deserved.
	Uh and so nowadays, people looking at that, if they don't see the the attribution to the few reports after his death of him being a fraud, because he was dead, the scandal didn't persist.
	So it it you know lasted maybe maybe there were people that were upset over the course of a year, and then no more articles and that kind of thing.
	Uh so anyway, so it's just a um uh uh you know it's um it's a real stew out there in the woo world, and um you gotta be careful about you know your sources and vet them,
	and also you have to vet the individuals uh because there is duplicity, and so this is one of the things that um uh both Terence Howard and um Brett Weinstein don't have in their minds, and that is that you know uh you have to check to make sure you're not looking at a deliberate fraud if you're looking at any of this historical stuff.
	Uh but um so leaving that aside, Walter Russell is legit, Walter Russell and a lot of these other sources that he cited are in fact uh you know are factually uh uh physicists and had good discoveries and wrote it all up and so on, from which he apparently uh Terence Howard has made a number of good uh or at number of patents.
	And this is really we'll get back into the complexity of things here later.
	But this was one of the things that um is interesting is that Terence Howard in the um uh talk with Joe Rogan keeps coming up to the fact that you know none of these people are paying him for uh his patents, and yet they're citing his work.
	Well, okay, so if they're citing it, it does not necessarily mean uh that they're uh basing their work on on his, right?
	They may cite his uh to say why a particular aspect of their stuff works, um, and that's it, uh, but not necessarily saying that they're using the same principles or techniques or whatever.
	Um, you know, they cite you have to cite prior art.
	So, in other words, if I were going to uh invent something in the way of a um a new form of a rubber bullet, I wouldn't necessarily have to cite all of the patents or at least the major patent on previous forms of of a rubber bullet, uh, just so that there's a uh point of departure, so to speak, and that's just the way the patents work.
	But something else that Terence doesn't seem to grasp, uh he talked about, had talked about uh his attorneys trying to milk him, he thought, with all these fees and shit all the time about his patents, and he finally abandoned this one, but what he did not grasp was there's no benefit to a patent.
	A patent is basically quasi support from the government to sue somebody if you think they're using your idea.
	So you actually no one's gonna give you money just because you have a patent on something.
	It's very rare that anybody comes on in and wants to negotiate and give you money just because you have patented something, and we can all cite uh Reggie Middleton, who has most of the technology that's involved with crypto's patented, yet no one's giving him money, and he's got to sue to enforce his patent, and that's what patents are for.
	You sue to enforce it.
	So of course you're gonna have lots and lots and lots of costs with attorneys.
	Now, I've had patents, all of which I've let labs.
	Um for the for the simple reason that I don't want to spend my time in court and uh in defending them, and if you if you're not going to defend them, there's no point to have them, basically, right?
	And there are other ways to um have an invention, get it out there, uh, make money on it uh and not patent it.
	Okay, so there's a lot of inventions that are uh basically first use and and you dominate the market, right?
	So um anyway, so Terrence doesn't really, I think, understand the nature of what patents are supposed to be for at a social level.
	It's cool that he's got them all, and it's cool that he had money and could pay attorneys to put this all together.
	Uh, but if he expects the patents to ever yield anything, then he's going to have to sue, as has uh Reggie Middleton.
	Uh okay, so now uh the issue of Walter Russell is one of the that touches into the complexity thing, right?
	Complexity versus complicated.
	So Keeley's machines were complicated.
	Lots of little pieces of stuff everywhere.
	He had to invent this a terminology to describe it all, which he did, and uh, as I say, it was a fraud.
	It never really worked.
	That's why it all sounded like word salad.
	It sort of sounded like maybe it was uh, you know, um conceptually uh okay conceptually foundationally um you know effective physics that they were just starting to work out.
	This in the 1800s, his audience weren't was not that sophisticated relative to physics, although they were far more sophisticated than I've seen uh current generations.
	Uh but nonetheless, that was a situation there.
	Keeley was just making money and was a fraud.
	So the the complexity of our world is such that our world includes deliberate frauds.
	If you don't take that into you into account in your thinking, you're missing a huge giant thing that can bite you in the ass.
	Speaking of which, one of the um, so one of the adherents of Keeley, and so this is like maybe this is like 1870s, something like that.
	It was before the Mitchelson Morley experien uh experiment, and because Keeley was working with the ether.
	Anyway, he dies, the adherents rate his house, at least three of the engines that he had there are gone, and the investors are all upset and so on.
	Uh, but there are these three inventions or three of these engines that are uh that have been removed.
	And so uh the idea was that the adherents had, you know, they'd given him money and stuff.
	They were like minor investors, like local guys and stuff.
	And the idea was that these people were gonna go and finish them out themselves.
	Uh One of these ends up in England.
	You can trace it all the way to actually trace it all the way to Russia.
	Because the adherent guy, um, again, I think it was Philadelphia, had a warrant out for his arrest for theft of this engine by the more senior investors.
	Okay, the the earlier ones or the ones with more money involved.
	And um, so the guy beats feet to England, right?
	Where he had originally been from, and he flees the states, taking this engine with him.
	And uh, and then you can trace it from where he goes to England and he sells it to a Russian prince.
	Okay, and this was in the very late 1800s, so maybe 1880, something like that.
	Anyway, so he sells this um the Keeley engine, uh, you know, and it doesn't work or anything, uh, to the um to the Russian prince, but this guy as an adherent, he sort of keeps the scam going by repeating and writing down a lot of shit for the Russians to make this engine work.
	Well, they duplicate the engine with the intent they made a big fucker with the intent of driving a train with it.
	Uh they were just getting into trains in uh in Russia at that point in a serious way.
	So they there's a test track that's built, uh they build one of the engines, one of Keely's engines, they put it into a uh on it on a train um chassis, and uh are you know trying to make the fucker work, and of course it doesn't, right?
	There's absolutely nothing you can do uh to make this um uh engine work because it was a fraud, it didn't work, it was just um uh you know, some spinning air in the or some compressed air that made it spin in the house.
	And this is why, because of the compressed air, Keely would never ever ever let anybody uh touch his engines while they were running.
	Uh you could come close, you can look, uh, but you had to stand back behind these uh ropes and stuff.
	And he said, Keely said, it was because if a human touched or any life touched the um the engine, it would be instantly destroyed, right?
	Instantly killed because of the nature of this new motive force that would leap out of the engine and strike you dead, kind of a deal.
	Sort of like an electrified surface, he was trying to get that idea across.
	They knew about electricity and stuff.
	They, you know, they had laden jars and all these kind of things and static charges, so they were somewhat familiar with that, and so he was trying to um piggyback off of that idea that it was dangerous because of, right?
	So, anyway, um the guy in Russia ends up spending a lot of money, and um nothing nothing results, and this, and that's basically the end of Keeley, uh, which is in the 1890s.
	Uh you hear about the um uh the train engine being sold off, and then that's as far as you can trace any of these uh Keeley motors.
	And the train engine was sold by the Russian guy, and we don't know where it went.
	Um, but still very interesting that they actually did that and built it.
	Now, and his his uh stuff was complicated.
	Now, Walter Russell's stuff is complex and comes across as seemingly very simple.
	So, you know, if you see a uh we know that cells are highly complex, so it's difficult for us to imagine seeing something uh, you know, like a cell structure initially, and um in your initial thought of it is that it's a relatively simple thing,
	and uh then the more you get into it, you discover it's it's a relatively simple thing that has a an incredibly um intricate and uh uh involved um part of a very complex process, so it's it's deep in complexity, but is its appearance is simple, and you will see that this is the case all over.
	So uh it's not water is not complicated, but it is extremely complex.
	So it's a really kind of a stupid thing to say, but you know, uh on the face of it, most complexity looks simple.
	Uh huh.
	So anyway, so uh this is where we get um, in my opinion, anyway, uh, get a lot of the problems uh that the um Cartesian crowd, the the educated academics that are still uh thinking that uh Descartes had um had achieved something, uh which he had, I mean, you know, uh, but but straight lines as like Terrence Howard said, they don't make it.
	We don't have straight lines in universe.
	So anyway, though, um uh this the level of complexity, complexity and and uh complicated, they are entirely um different critters and are easily discerned that that they are different there.
	Okay, so I've got a stop here.
	I'll call this a um okay I'm back and to stop there for a minute.
	Um anyway, so uh so Brett Weinstein is was critical of uh Terrence.
	Uh he didn't investigate, I don't think Brett knows about Keely or any of these other issues.
	I don't think he's ever read Walter Russell, maybe has, I don't know.
	He's old enough, he could have come across it in his youth.
	Um anyway, though, uh he criticizes Terrence and saying that you know he's intelligent but crazy, right?
	So anyway, um complexity is difficult to get your uh uh head wrapped around.
	And once you see it, then you say, oh, this is a complex thing, I need to investigate this in a different way than a complicated thing, right?
	So a complicated thing you take apart uh the thing and you separate it into its uh constituent uh components, and uh then you examine each of the components, right?
	You do not do that as a way of examining complex systems, a complex uh thing, because it is a system, and all of this shit needs to interoperate.
	So if you take something out of that system in order to examine it, then it is essentially not the system anymore until you put it back there.
	Uh if you can, right, and usually in a complex thing, you cannot do that.
	So humans have examined complexity and and basically as though it was complications, as though it was a complicated device.
	Um and so this leads us to many different uh erroneous conclusions about stuff, which you know, uh I mean, this is uh not on an unknown concept.
	Um it's just uh interesting that we're coming up to this at this particular point.
	That we're coming up to this at the point of hypernovelty, uh intruding on uh all of us as a result of living in a complex system, which is uh our solar system in the materium within the universe, and now we're starting to see just how complex it is because that complexity is being demonstrated by ourselves acting within our own humanity.
	So uh very few people actually examine themselves and their own behavior in that regard as an aspect of a uh complex system, and it's really fascinating to do so.
	Uh for me anyway, probably a lot of people just don't give a shit.
	Um crap.
	So this place where I'm at here where I live, I got a lot of sawmills and plywood mills and stuff, and when they um middle of the night is when they take these loads out of the mills and uh put them on the road and uh head them out to delivery, all the sheets of plywood and stuff.
	So there are these big semi-trucks heavily loaded that you have to accommodate as you're going down the Road here in the middle of the night.
	I've driven this road in the um late several times, and it's and it's the same all the time when you come up to this particular spot.
	Anyway, uh so complications as a um as a rule are are uh are easily disassembled and frequently difficult to understand.
	Now they're not usually as as difficult as complex systems to understand, but they can be extremely difficult to dig into.
	Uh that's probably pretty much it.
	We live in a complex system, we're part of it, we can't really separate ourselves from it.
	It's stupid to do so in my opinion, and we need to take our own our own selves into account as we examine and deal with our reality because we are part of it here.
	This is part of the uh major difference between the uh reductionist uh Cartesian approach that the academics use and where they're attempting to take things out to be able to examine them,
	uh, and the um more holistic uh idea of examining a complex system uh as uh as a system, drilling in and seeing how it all works before you start looking at any of the individual components of it and seeing how they function.
	And and it's just a different approach to things, right?
	And so that's kind of what the woo people are doing is seeing the um complex system as a whole.
	And so if you do see the complex system as a whole, then you can uh pick out as lots of us woo guys did, pick out instantly that the whole COVID thing was not what they were saying.
	And it and it instantly became apparent that this our complex system would not behave this way, developing these complications and turning into a complicated system uh as a natural product of what was going on.
	So you it instantly told you that someone was working an agenda.
	Um again, deliberate deception.
	Uh so if you look at things at a level of complexity versus complications, and you see that a complex system is being made to uh resemble a complicated one that you can examine and deal with the individual parts in that relationship, then you know that there's some kind of a scam going on.
	And this is how I deal with the climate shit.
	You know, climate is extremely complex.
	These fuckers are saying you can take out one little element, carbon dioxide, and that's the key to it all.
	That's that's complicated thinking, right?
	That there's a single part within the overall machine that is um uh can be taken out and addressed individually that will alter all of the other uh parameters in terms of changing the nature of your machine.
	And and it complex systems don't work that way, that's complication.
	Complication is basically simple systems uh you know put on each other, right?
	Uh laid on top of each other where you can remove them in layers.
	Uh complexity is uh scalular, it scales.
	So as above, so below.
	And so the uh complexity is basically the uh expression or evidence of design patterns emerging out of reality.
	Anyway, guys, I gotta go now.
	It's um I got a serious driving, I gotta get moving and get things going, and I've got a bunch of these large trucks, and also I need to suck down a lot of coffee.
	So I'll maybe I'll do another one of these later.
	I've got several hours left.

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