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Nov. 18, 2012 - Clif High
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20121118 – Clif High Audio #23
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Good morning.
It's uh 617 a.m.
November 18th, 2012, uh Pacific Northwest, uh, North America for reference period and time and date.
Uh today's uh Wujo is gonna run down some quick topics here, some things of general interest and then some specific notes.
Uh specific note write off, uh Kathy's doing better.
Uh we're still in recovery mode, so we have bad days and good days.
And I've discovered I don't have to be in the hospital in order to read books.
Uh and as an as a side to that, uh just something else I noted was when in the hospital, you'll find that at least in Olympia, very few people are reading, and there's uh not very many magazines displayed and everything.
There's just TVs everywhere.
It's um a little odd.
Uh my generation is probably an overlap generation, I guess, maybe that and my father as well.
But uh remember when hospitals used to just be uh virtual libraries, there was so much reading material around.
Anyway.
Um so uh there's been a whole lot of questions about the uh Gaza action and the Israeli mistake.
Uh the Israeli mistake was a very specific uh focused set.
Uh it still grows, and in one sense it's it's sharpened and and in another sense it's widened out and morphed.
Uh the widening out and morphing is that it's lost its large edge around the attack on Iran.
As though uh in the end, that's either prevented or um you know circumstances uh interrupt it, which I actually think that's the issue, uh, which I can get to in a bit.
You have to excuse me, it's a bit uh uh stormy and I've uh I'm also in recovery mode, which means I'm not getting a lot of sleep these days.
But um in any event, uh the uh Gaza activity uh on the part of uh Israel, their uh version of the Helgian dialectic, or um, as David Ike says, uh problem uh response solution or problem solution response.
Can't I can't think this early in the morning.
I'm having my first cup of tea, by the way.
Uh in any event, though, so uh that is indeed the temporal marker we've been waiting for.
That was one of the I shouldn't discuss it things that was in the interview with um that I had uh while back here with Mel at uh Veritas Radio.
And uh I just couldn't discuss it then because there's some things I just don't want to bring up uh not out of fear of it being a self-fulfilling prophecy, but because the nature of time and events and and uh people out there doing future forecasting has muddied things uh a great deal.
Uh uh I'll get into the the details of that some other time in another discussion because it's a it's an hour long thought uh on its own.
But anyway, so um there's the rabbinical mistake now uh at the the sharpening.
The sharpening of the Israeli mistake is focused in on uh uh rabbinical organization of some form.
I don't have a word for it, I don't think it's really a council, although that word shows up repeatedly.
It is not the definitive descriptor for what's going on.
Apparently there's a group, let's just call it that, a rabbinical group within the uh Zionist movement.
Um that also extends outside the Zionist movement.
Some of the members of the rabbinical group know that the whole religion thing is bullshit and uh that it's a control mechanism, and they don't care, they're playing their role on that side, and then they also interact with the uh real controllers on the other side where the pretense doesn't exist.
We get that out of our data.
Uh this rabbinical mistake is coming up.
Uh it doesn't matter if I talk about it now or not, because I think it's already in the um uh momentum stage.
Uh it's gonna end up being a real clusterfuck.
I mean, these guys are gonna just get uh screwed royally because of their own actions, and it's gonna cause a or participate or precipitate a whole slew of events uh round it that are interconnected.
Now I'm not gonna say that it's gonna cause a lot of them, they're just there at the same time.
So some of these events are all lumped together within our data in a very short period of time.
Some of the the events, for instance, include a uh general sense on the part of um uh nations and uh their um power structures around the planet that uh the United States is politically unstable.
This will arise as a result of the rabbinical mistake.
Actually, not directly, but uh is indirectly going to uh cause it or precipitate its visibility.
Uh that and some other events uh might as well get into those, um will cause um the rapid rise in silver and gold prices.
Now here's something.
When the the data is quite clear about this, when there's a rapid rise in silver, the very first one is going to be a flush or a fake out, I think.
Uh I don't know really how to describe it.
The the data suggests that there's going to be a political will behind it trying to get people to dish their old uh silver items.
So when you see uh adverts saying turn in your old sterling and get some cash for Christmas or you know, might be as far as Valentine's Day, but but I think around in this period of time uh we'll see it happen uh fairly briefly.
Um that that uh dish hoarding effort is uh is uh actually going to be engineered.
So uh watch out for that one because our data suggests that we might see something like uh say uh ten to twelve dollar jump in silver, a twenty or thirty percent jump in silver relatively shortly, and an attempt to get uh dish hoarding to occur and then uh actually press, you know, visibility on the side of this dish hoarding and then press visibility on the other side of it.
And what they'll do is they'll uh try and drive the price of silver down as a result of the dish hoarding, the uh in the claim that or it's very muddy in here.
There will be some attempt to use this dishorting natural impulse or not uh to attempt to manipulate the price of silver after the wave of the dishorting uh has occurred.
There will be a level of visibility around it in terms of you'll probably see uh TV news items that you know uh show the lines of people trying to turn in their silver for money, that kind of a thing.
So just just a heads up, that's a a temporary up and a temporary down.
The temporary down shows to be very brief because of the events that occur shortly around that period of time.
Um in that um same period of time we're gonna see uh the real eruption here of the pedophilia um global pedophilia network uh control system uh is going to become very visible in numbers of countries to the point where uh let's just call it vigilante activity will start occurring,
and then the vigilante activity, as much as it'll be suppressed, will itself start getting press, and that's when you're gonna see uh some of the very higher ups of the or you won't see them actually, you'll notice them by their absence.
So, for instance, nobody's saying shit about the Pope these days, not only because he's a sick old bastard, but because Ratzinger is um uh in hiding as they attempt to deal with the repercussions of what they know is headed their way.
Uh not only is this visible within our data, but uh uh I've gotten to a point where you know people call and tell me things uh uh just out of the blue.
And some of the stuff I know to be legit, and some of it is um uh very interesting, most of it I don't repeat ever, probably which is why people tell me, but um the it does confirm the data that suggests that the next big wave of the pedophilia exposure will be linked temporally to the rabbinical mistake eruption as well as the um uh breakout,
if you will, into public uh the exposure of the interlinked global network of higher-ups really into this uh nasty, nasty pedophilia and necrophilia, and I guess we're gonna have to say energy crimes, energy crimes against humans, because that at its core, that's what's going on.
You know, David Icke is is not a nutter.
Or okay, excuse me, David Icke may be absolutely fucking crazy.
I have no way of validating uh his mental state, and it's immaterial to me because he's accurate.
So uh as I've said before, just because I'm crazy did not necessarily make me wrong, and that I apply to him as well.
Uh his his statements about the reptilian and the energy um theft, if you will, uh are very accurate to people who can see aura and see what's going on at that level.
You get hints of this and you know that this is indeed the case.
So uh there's that level of exposure is not gonna come out because most of the public wouldn't be able to handle it, and it would just um so distort the issue that uh it it just wouldn't be uh pursued at all.
Uh however, the horror of the uh actual physical crimes against individuals uh will come out, the interconnectedness of it at a global level will come on out.
A lot of people are going to be left wondering, huh?
This is going to affect the political stability of a great number of uh regions of the planet.
Uh ours uh from you can uh just basically from England, Scotland, draw a big line through the um English speaking countries all the way back into Australia, and you're gonna be looking at a major uh political breakup and impact as a result of this, because it's all coming out.
Now, uh they can't help it coming out, and it's gonna get worse.
The rabbinical mistake is gonna further that inadvertently it's gonna s it's a side effect that's gonna expose the uh ties between the uh father, the Pope of the Catholics, the pretend father, and uh the vast number of crimes uh that Ratzinger personally is responsible for, as well as all the cover-ups.
And that's gonna just seriously shake up the uh what's left of the Catholic Church.
It's in its death knells, it's in its last generation now.
You can tell this just based on the service class of minions that um are in their average age, you know, uh nuns in the U.S., I I don't know for sure, go out and look it up, but their average age is like sixty-seven or something.
So this is and they're not being replenished.
The average age keeps uh creeping up as the younger ones are dying off.
It's the old ones that are really tough and hanging on, probably because they're just mean as hell.
Anyway, let's go on to the next part of this.
At the same period of all of this, we're gonna see the uh visibility, the rise in visibility of the secession movement at an official level.
You'll know that this is true because there will be precursor um moves, and some of these will include the formation of state banks.
I suspect it'll be California that'll be the first one, but it may well be Washington State that forms the first uh state bank as part of this movement.
There are other state banks in existence now, and they're doing very well uh because they're not part of the Fed system.
But uh the um uh this next move will begin a wave that is uh coincident with the states uh themselves uh starting to um think of themselves as republics.
So here's a mental shift that's occurring.
Uh actually, this is really a uh um, especially in America, especially in North America, there is a temporal echo between now and eighteen forty-four.
I think it was in 1844 that the we first had the transcontinental telegraph come into existence, and everybody at the time proclaimed it with the basically the same language that we used when the internet came into existence.
Breakthrough in consciousness, new evolution for the species, and all of this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Same language all over again.
This temporal echo with 1844 has got all kinds of interesting hooks in it.
And one of the things that uh we see is a return now.
Uh uh now that the uh flush, if you will, from 1844 until now has been a just a big rush for all of us as we've if you will, experimented with the emotional state of hypernationalism.
And by hypernationalism I mean large n uh continental uh sized uh empire-sized nation states.
This this wave is going away, and uh we'll see it um as part of that, we'll see the breakup occur uh with the formation of the of the state banks.
When you see those occur, you'll also be seeing the silver and gold rises happen, the um breakup in the of the US dollar into a two-tier currency, uh, one in uh that the Federal Reserve is going to attempt to impose by force uh within the continental and and extracontinental boundaries of the empire of the United States, and then the other, which is gonna be the uh the remnants of it globally as it dies off.
I mean, people will be digging up dollars out of their mattresses probably 30 years from now and trying to do something with them.
But uh there's gonna be a general trend away from it uh outside of our borders, outside of the national, former national borders of the former the United States and the United uh the United States, which was corporation uh created in 1877.
As opposed to these United States, which is a confederation of independent states who have the right to do whatever the fuck they want and agree to and in their own local consensus as long as they do it nonviolently.
Which brings us up to a little bit of a preview.
I don't normally do this.
I want to do a little bit of a teaser.
I intend to put out a wujo sometime around the uh Thanksgiving period, probably a few days afterwards.
I'm waiting for the maturity of certain events before getting into it.
But it's a really delicious little story.
I think you'll enjoy it.
It's going to provide us all with some uh nice ways of thinking about things in the future and presently but also how the future could evolve and uh it also has some, as I say, some interesting um story characteristics to it.
But I can't get into it at the moment, but it's so cool that I'm setting up um I'm gonna do a wujo about it, but then I'm also going to go and talk to Jeff Rentz about the idea and going to set up um another interview with another radio host of a different kind of personality so we get a good coverage on it.
You know, it's nice to get the various different perspectives.
Rentz is a really solid guy and uh is not known for being flighty at all.
He's got uh his own little um perspective on the planet that keeps him grounded uh and he's got all that hair so that I mean that helps too.
But anyway, uh I I like Jeff and we haven't spoken in a long long long time.
And this is a really good subject that um uh his audience will appreciate.
And so I'll set up another interview as well.
I'll put these on my site ahead of time when when I know that everything is cool and we've got the time uh booked with Rentz.
He's agreed ahead of time.
We just don't have a date because we're I'm waiting on these events to occur.
Uh can't do it ahead of time of that because of a lot of reasons which you'll see when we get there.
Anyway, so excuse me um California and the banks or Washington and the banks or Oregon and the banks or probab not Utah I bet, but might be Nevada Nevada.
Anyway, they um the states will begin the breakup here in the West and uh it's gonna be coincident with the other signs of political instability at a national level that brings about a repudiation or basically a destruction of the faith component or the fear component of the US dollar.
You're either you you either like it because you have faith in it if you're ex outside the United States borders or you're um you accept it because you're scared of our bombs and our bullets and stuff.
So um that'll all be happening uh real quick and all together.
Then that and bear in mind when I'm saying that there's gonna be the bust up of the state uh it's not gonna happen overnight.
It's not going to be be um uh it'll be a long slow process and but the instigator the precursor instigator here will you'll know the visibility when people when they just announce oh hey California's formed its own state bank for thus and so reason none of which relate to leaving the US as a political entity these United States TUS but that i is the end result.
So now also coinciding with this you you may have noticed that we've got uh bizarre weather on the east coast I'm in the midst of a not a hurricane but a um and basically it's a normal Pacific Northwest storm it's just slightly extreme is all uh not even greatly extreme.
Most of the extreme weather is now concentrating in the Atlantic.
I can I'll get to why I think that's occurring uh in just a second but the the let's describe what will be occurring there.
The uh Atlantic basin will have a uh striation effect as a as a result of the shift in in climate weather patterns which is occurring as a result of the expansion of the planet.
So this all relates to earthquakes Patrick Garrell and so on so it's worth hanging around for a second.
It's our thinking here that what's going to happen is that an area from say um slightly south of the British Isles by say maybe five to six degrees uh from there north uh all across in a band from um uh the Newfoundland coast all the way over into the North Sea will be exceptionally cold.
Uh there's gonna just be a uh winter of hell there.
Um it I don't know how long it's gonna last, but the intensity values uh are very high within the visibility factors.
So there'll be a lot of discussion about how intense the uh the cold component of this uh particular storm system or winter is.
There's no real indication that it's gonna last forever or that it's uh exceptionally long.
That kind of stuff is would be difficult to pick up within the immediacy data in any event, however, if there were some it it would show up at this stage, and we just don't see it.
Uh now from uh from the that period from about uh say six degrees latitude south of the um uh British Isles South to about the Bay of Biscay in um uh Europe or say over to um northern Florida in that band along the Atlantic um both sides of the Atlantic coast,
we're gonna see a uh more than uh more than usual uh storms of all kinds, not only low pressure hurricane like uh storms, tropical depressions basically, but also these weird j or or not yeah,
they are weird to our experience, but also um uh evolving storms in which we get these hyper low pressures that seem to suck in intense cold as a follow-up, uh so that they get a nor'easter following sandy.
Uh and the nor'easter brings in a cold component.
Uh that appears to be a pattern that's going to be developing.
Uh it also is gonna show up on the uh uh French side of the coast.
From northern Florida southward, uh we're showing a um uh flattening or a dissipation of the uh uh heat patterns uh over this this particular winter, such that the the winter's not showing as exceptionally cold,
although there may indeed be a creep down effect uh from what's going on up north, uh but the general um trend line will be sort of um uh stagnant air and things that when it clears, that's also not going to be good because it'll be clearing by very violent storms that'll uh apparently hit the gulf and go north from there.
I I would expect at some point uh within our winter, and I don't know when that's going to be officially over, because of the shift in the nature of the planet, which I can get into in a second.
But um uh so the the data is showing a winter storm uh period that will also go through the Gulf and up into the Central uh North American area uh with some ferocity.
Now our issue here is that we're bounded usually by things like the equinoxes, and we can say, oh, winter is starts here and it ends there, solstice to equinox.
Well, in this case, we're having to look at winter in a different form because our data is indicating that it will become apparent to the humans now, and that's basically what all of our data works off of, is not actual facts, but how humans will be talking about it.
So it's a forecast of the language, not the event, but rather the language that will be used to discuss the event.
And our data is forecasting that the humans will be discussing about how strange the weather patterns are, how lopsided, irregular, out of sync, uh, and the irregularity component and out of sync also go to the extra seasonal idea.
So there is some uh suggestion that winter will not be bounded by our traditional solstice to equinox boundaries.
Uh does that mean it'll start early, indeed.
Uh does it mean it'll continue longer, and in some places I'm quite sure that that's the case.
Uh but also because of the irregularity of it all, we're gonna get areas that are just gonna be basically bypassed by this.
You know, a happy juxtaposition for the people that happen to be living there, and perhaps real hell on either side.
Uh lots of indications of further disruptions in power as we go forward, and it's this uh breakdown, this spottiness that we're seeing all over, uh, that I think may be part of our component to the um our long t longer term forecast from way back when of the internet or our source of data at that point, basically going uh dark for us uh by May of um uh next year, going silent.
So we see areas, for instance, uh that have yet to recover any kind of communications ability uh in regions of the um uh that have been hit by sandy.
I suspect that as we go forward there'll be further in uh damage, more and more of these spots that'll show up, and it may be a contributing component to what occurs over these next few months.
I'm not really gonna speculate on that too much.
There's been so much change in the nature of the immediacy language itself that that there's some thought in my head here that we may be looking at an uh even larger change uh relative to how the language is used.
But that aside, uh you may have noticed that we've had a lot of earthquakes recently, getting to the point where we're having six O's every other day for sure.
I think you know we're in a spate at the moment of uh one every day.
In any event, this is all part of what's going on relative to the end of the Mayan calendar, the long count rather, because it's not the calendar itself, it's just the count and relative to Patrick uh Gerrell's forecasts.
Patrick Garrell has got a uh good methodology uh for forecasting these quakes.
I still contend that he is not accurate in the sense of a crustal shift.
I used to think a crustal shift was possible.
I've read through Hapgood, read through all of the supporting um uh material for years, um everything I could get my hands on relative to the effect, and I'm convinced that all of that evidence points to expansion, not a shift.
So there's two ways to interpret the evidence, or more than two ways to interpret the evidence, but two broad theories on interpreting the evidence.
One is that the crust of the earth rotates like an orange, and the other is that the earth has grown over time.
I cannot, I'm supposedly up here in the northwest, I live near this giant subduction zone called the San Juan Plate area where the San Juan plate is theoretically ramming itself under the Pacific plate.
And I I'm here to tell you people, there is no such thing as a subduction zone.
I've lived in a lot of places that theoretically had them.
I I used to be an underwater kind of guy, and I've never seen anything that relates at all, looks like what they describe subduction zones, and the mechanics of a subduction zone could not be hidden by such uh topical features as you know, sediment deposits and this kind of a deal.
So uh I doubt the existence of it.
And I have the uh expando planet theory that offers uh another way of interpreting the evidence.
Still catastrophic, and that leads us up to where we're at the moment.
Uh it may be uh well, okay, for some time now we've had our global coastal event data that suggests there's gonna be a great deal of um coastal interaction with the seas in a non-nice fashion for humans, and we'd better be prepared for this.
And if you live on a low-lying area, you may really need to think about how to get out of there quickly for a lot of reasons.
Um the data suggested that um the global coastal event, because of the way the data is grown, was more or less coincident with the 2013 period, 2012 through onward, and we don't didn't weren't really able to peg when, don't have a date per se.
But we now have uh I have a theory for a methodology, or for a method of of what's going to cause the effect globally.
And we're sort of already seeing it, I believe, and that is with these hyper low pressure systems on the Atlantic coast, we're getting a antipodal uh reaction in the Pacific.
And I've always maintained here that the global coastal event will originate in the Pacific.
Now it could be that it's that it's meteors, uh, we've got a big big ass comet coming in, and who knows what's um behind it.
There's all kinds of uh junk floating around in our near space, our uh uh conical section within the uh trailing cone behind the sun that we inhabit in a spiral fashion is moving through a different area of space, so we're gonna even be picking up uh space dust and junk and water maybe, who knows.
Uh but what we do know is that there's real evidence that the uh crust of the planet is shifting, that it is expanding.
And in fact, we've had the Banda Achi quake in 2000 and uh the Thanksgiving uh or excuse me, the Boxing Day Quake, Sumatra, uh, that actually split the um uh Indo Australian plate, cracked at some twelve hundred kilometers, uh shifted vast quantities of uh land up and down and caused uh the tsunami that killed all those people and and wrecked all those countries.
This will be repeated around the Pacific rim.
I now am pretty convinced that it'll the crack that will occur will occur in the northern Pacific not the southern.
Uh this is good for everybody who's away the hell away.
Uh it will relate to the forecast of the far site.org guys.
If you really want to read about some of the effects and you haven't encountered their work, go to far site.org, click on the 2012 um tab at the top, and go to that link and uh read all of their uh remote viewing studies.
The remote viewing is accurate.
Uh it's playing out as forecast in my validation studies.
This is scary crap.
And so I'm of the opinion that the Pacific plate rupture or crack will be a participating component in this.
It is not in a true sense the cause because the cause is the expansion of our planet.
Our planet is getting bigger.
As the planets shift in the cone the harmonics of space that bind them, the constraints in which we orbit, and I put orbit in quotes, uh, behind the sun here, in our spiral fashion, that section of the cone is what allows us to grow very much like a um an insect uh has to shed its shell or get a larger shell in order to grow its body.
Uh it it's constrained by the exterior forces uh of the universe so to speak pushing in on it.
Uh our skeletons are internal and we wrap them up so we can grow slowly around the outside, but our skeletons basically stay the same s same size.
Earth is a is the is the kind of um uh creature where its growth is and all planets are constrained by the conical section that they uh spiral within behind the sun that they follow.
So as we slip back further away from the sun we're in a larger cona conical section this will allow us to have a larger planetary size.
Uh there are certain harmonics that work relative to the number of planets and so on.
I'm suspecting that it that I'm pretty sure it'll also all alter our uh quote orbit and make our year appear to be about uh somewhere less than sixteen days but but longer.
So we get might get ten days longer to you know about to fourteen the math is a little obscure and uh reducing it to arithmetic at this point is kind of meaningless anyway but we will uh in my opinion gain um uh over a week I mean uh noticeable number of days in our year as well as have the planet grow which is going to affect things like gravity uh and of course all the distances,
GPS, all of that sort of crud.
Now when the Pacific plate crack occurs um it's not going to be good for places like um island nation states that are directly south of the uh uh wave because they'll get the brunt of the tsunami uh that will originate from the North Pacific plate crack.
I it may be that the signs we're seeing here for a North Pacific plate crack will be simultaneous with a crack in the south and it may be that that crack in the south is what causes problems for Australia all the way over to the eastern coast of Africa.
The good news in a sense at least initially is that the Atlantic basin is not initially impacted.
It will be later both by the water flow through from the Pacific, the alteration of the relationship between the Americas, which will probably cause several new natural canals to exist in the region of the Panama Canal as the continents uh crack through there but also the Atlantic basin will respond but it might be that the Atlantic basin crack or expansion uh at the mid Atlantic ridge point uh won't occur until three or four years later because the planet
moves at a speed that is is much slower uh than than humans would anticipate in some regards.
So once the crack occurs certain pressures will be released we'll see earthquakes subside after the initial uh aftershocks settle down and uh things will sort of return to normal and then the planet will rebound or respond.
So it's crack occurs maybe in 2013, then maybe by 2014, 15, 16, in that period, everything seems to quiet down a bit.
And then there will be a response on the, as the Atlantic Ocean, Atlantic Basin separates and new material comes out there.
All from the, all of North and South, all along from pole to pole, except in the region of the equatorial bulge.
So from about 30 degrees latitude to
um ninety degrees uh latitude both north and south we'll see the largest level of growth in the mid-Atlantic and then we'll have another period of quiescence and maybe it'll all settle down as forecast by around 2021 and then we'll be into our new normal that will be sort of stable uh much more stable than it has been in the recent years and will much more stable than it will be over these next uh seven years but far less stable than it was say in the late twenties,
thirties and forties of the last century when earthquakes and so on were uh infrequent although deadly um so that's where we're at with uh the planetary expansion report or at least our our take on it relative to what the data suggests and what our analysis suggest and ongoing events.
And you'll notice a long coincident with this all kinds of earthquake activity I mean with the coincident with the Pacific plate rupture probably all kinds of volcanic um activity throwing all kinds of crud up into the air and we'll be breathing all this crud for a while so you may want to take some of this into account in terms of your preparations for these next few years you know gas mass or the ability to make one primarily for silica dust in your cars and this kind of thing.
Okay, so that's um all right so that's where we are so sometime after Thanksgiving I'll have this Wujo that's more pertinent to people in the United States temporarily although it is a globally pertinent it has a specific focus for people in the US or the Anglo world here.
It'll be very interesting I think at least I find it just fascinating and the potential is really cool.
Now a couple of things here I'm in the process or we are in the process, Kathy and I, of relocating.
We sh we're just gonna go ahead and do this and the universe is probably going to catch us out and send a meteor you know to smash into my truck as I'm hauling crap to the new house here, but that doesn't matter we're just gonna go ahead and do it all.
And in the process I'm moving towards creating a new focus for our let's call it business life for lack of a better understanding of things.
And this is gonna be that I want to create a PU a PU a permaculture university.
If the world bumbles through I've got a proposition that the Western states or resource harvesting guys are just gonna love and I'm gonna maybe try and do business with government with this new idea a la buckminster fuller and some of his inventions.
Now our little uh PU uh in the PNW our permaculture university in the Pacific Northwest effort has led me to do a ton of of research into property and all of this kind of thing because I need some more land in order to do this.
I actually will get to the point here at some uh stage where we'll be hosting uh um gatherings on the property uh educational seminars if you will and so I need to be able to accommodate this there's all kinds of backstory to this which I can get into at some point uh not sure how long we've been going oh too long anyway.
But anyway, so here's here's some interesting information for for people that may be in a situation where they want to track down land in order to uh homestead or this kind of a deal.
I've discovered this uh interesting and very sad situation.
And it has to do with what we used to call out here JIPO loggers, okay, and that was spelled uh GYPO.
And a JIPO logger, when I uh up here in the Northwest uh resource harvesting, chopping down trees or uh harvesting fish and everything, has led to a certain class of individuals showing up.
And these are guys that play a little bit fast and loose with the rules that are placed around those resource harvesting.
So we've had these guys that were called JIPO loggers.
And a JIPO logger is a guy who would come on in, for instance, and he'd put down um these days I'll cite you an ex an example out of Oregon that I encountered.
JIPO logger puts down four thousand dollars cash to a bond company in Oregon and secures a forty thousand dollar bond and he uh this 10 to one ratio.
He then takes that that forty thousand dollar bond and goes to the state of Oregon at this time some some years back and use the 40,000 dollar bond uh on a 10 to one ratio on a 400,000 dollar timber harvest arrangement.
And he wins the bid or whatever the process was and ends up in this particular county and and I'm not sure which county it was in Oregon it was along the coast uh uh I think it was on the um uh Pacific side there of the uh Mount Ashland but I've read so many that I just can't remember where it was although the details of this particular one are stuck in my mind and I actually talked to the county fellow about it which I'll discuss in a second.
Anyway so Jippo Logger um goes and he takes his four hundred thousand dollar tract of uh timber out in the uh wilds of the uh forests of Oregon and he whacks it all down and he whacks it all down in a particularly brutal fashion because he's reasonably isolated and he basically rapes the land.
Oregon is not pleased about this when they discover it.
The guy didn't put in any of the roads he didn't do any of the erosion control there was n uh none of the required remediation to the property and see this is where I'm going to come in with my permaculture university later on but um because I've got a method that that works for uh for this as well as a bunch of other cool ideas.
In any event, so on to the story of the Jippo logger in the county.
Let's just say that it was Lincoln County in Oregon.
Okay, so the Lincoln County discovers that Jippo logger has taken $400,000 worth of trees, and he's bolted.
And in fact, he was so slick because he did it all so well and so quickly, obviously practiced, he went back and he claimed his $4,000 bond because there had been no complaints on it by the time within the specified contract.
And so he got $400,000 worth of timber harvested, paid no tax on it, put no money into roads that he did not have to, so we're talking the most crude kind of uh hacking at the the uh wilderness there to just get your equipment in to steal more trees and he just was a terrible terrible fellow relative to stewardship of the planet.
Now, here's where we are now.
This occurred a number of years back.
Excuse me.
This particular instance.
And so this particular county, Lincoln County, on the side of the coast there.
But it doesn't matter what county anywhere.
It's all happening all up and down in the timber harvest areas.
This Jiffel logger here has left the county holding the bag.
The property basically is now a, from their viewpoint, from the county's viewpoint, It is worth less.
it is worth less down to the point where it is worth only what you can get for it from taxes.
There were no taxes paid on the timber the timber will take uh forty or fifty years to grow back after it's replanted no one's making the replanting effort because they don't have the money the roads are terrible and they need to be redone no one's doing the rehab on the roads to stop erosion because the county doesn't have the money and there's no one taking responsibility for any of this.
And so the county's left with a state of quote ownership of the property because the original property owners don't want it anymore because the lease that they'd given to the JIPO logger so degraded the property that they bolted on their commitments to the property itself.
And so the county finds itself stuck with all of these um issues all of these um property related issues.
Now this is how I got into it was I was doing property searches at a very intense level.
Hang on just a second.
Okay, so here's a good news for everybody.
Well, the good news is for the for everybody else is that I'm old, and so I'm not going to be able to do this myself because I'm I just don't have the um lifespan left in me to take on a task of this.
But say that you were younger than I am by a number of years and you had the energy, and you wanted to get some really good quality uh but uh land at and at a very low nominal Federal Reserve note, U.S. dollar price.
Well, I'm here to tell you that there are probably several thousands, maybe tens of thousands of tracts of this land that have been handled in this bad fashion by JIPO loggers and counties all up and down the west coast of the uh U.S. In any place where they've gone where where you have timber harvesting as a uh life um uh as a resource, there are these instances over these past few years.
They really started in about 2003, 2004, as we started ramping up into the boom, because what happened is the counties were reactive.
They didn't uh never have had enough people to effectively patrol and and uh monitor this kind of activity, and with the boom going on, they were doing a lot more harvesting, selling a lot more timber, transferring a lot more land with fewer and fewer and fewer people.
Now they're in the other side of it.
They've even had to lay off what few people they've had to do this kind of activity.
And so they um uh over since 2007, in the peak of the property boom here in the West, 2007 and 2008, and the values have crashed, and now they find that there's a situation, of course, there's um not much temper harvesting going on.
There isn't a huge demand for building uh wood-based building material is down, so there isn't that much activity going on, and so that's been the justification to lay off the existing county people that used to do this kind of work.
Lay them off at least to some degree.
So we find ourselves in a situation here where where uh Lincoln County in Oregon may have um thirty properties, it may have three hundred.
It's hard to say.
Many of the counties do know.
It's hard for me to say, but many of the counties do know and have explicitly set up uh subdivisions of their county government to deal with it.
And these subdivisions of county government sometimes have websites.
Some of the websites I've found will list parcel numbers.
Now here's where it gets tricky, guys.
You could find forty acres of land, uh hilly, uh not agricultural land, bear in mind these will all be areas where timber has been harvested.
Uh in the main, I think 99.99% this is going to be true.
Um I've I have yet to run across anything personally that was not a timber harvest when in doing my research this way.
So you'll get a parcel number.
It'll be, you know, uh say a nine to a twenty-digit uh number.
That parcel number can lead you to through the county government maps to plates.
Those plat maps and plot maps will show you where that property is.
Some of the property is isolated, got no roads, you've got to figure out how to get there if you're gonna buy the property.
But here's the deal.
This particular JIPO logger with his four hundred thousand dollar um uh land rape of the of the trees there, left a number of these parcels, one of which I'll cite you here uh that uh because it's stuck in my mind, was forty acres of uh hilly uh country in the Oregon coast, uh beautiful view from what I'm told by the local county guy, uh all the way out to the Pacific, and uh they want fifty-three hundred dollars for it.
The county will actually, because of the ownership issues, the county now owns those forty acres.
And they'll sell you those forty acres for fifty-three hundred US dollars.
And you can go there.
Now you got real problems in doing so.
You could hike in, you wouldn't have any problem, but you're gonna have to take in any building materials.
There's, as I say, it's been really trashed in the way the property, so anybody getting into it is gonna put in years of effort or lots and lots of money in order to make it uh habitable and to make the the land back into something.
Also, there's going to be requirements placed on anybody that gets these parcels, such as replanting and so on.
Now, when that occurs, if someone were to do that, they should contact me because I've got a method that will satisfy the county's requirements.
It's not as onerous as the current method of um hand replanting of trees, and it has all kinds of other benefits for wildlife and the land in general, and the county will love it.
Uh so if you were to buy that and rehab, uh get hold of me and I'll I'll detail this and you can present it to the county and uh they'll probably buy into it and save you some trouble and some some costs.
But uh still you'll have a lot of effort.
You'll get tractors and do some real work on this kind of thing.
But some of these areas out here are gorgeous if you're of a mind to be a homesteader.
Uh you could make quite a life for yourself.
It's going to be grueling labor uh but it is a perhaps a unique opportunity in certainly in this century to obtain uh these kinds of uh properties at these kind of prices.
It may be that this uh uh will can continue and get even um terms of the number of properties showing up on the county rolls will grow.
Uh that's been the what I've been told from a number of the county officers that are in charge of these.
You'll find for instance when you go to these counties what you're going to be looking for is the forestry tax department.
So you're gonna be looking for words around forestry, forestry land tax, resource land use tax and so on in any of the counties.
Some of the counties are flat out trying to do this.
They're trying to tell you to come and buy this land and they may have um a couple of counties have got websites where you can actually submit a bid to buy the property online.
And here's the way in which this works a lot of these properties were foreclosed on by the county for nonpayment of taxes and the uh t uh the the titular owners at the time banks, individuals or whatever didn't want to screw with the remediation costs for standing up after the JIPO loggers have have gotten them.
So the county five years ago auctioned the property off and no one bought it.
And basically the county at that stage by because of the nature of the laws under which we operate had to end up being the buyer of last resort and they bought it from themselves.
So they are not offering these properties for sale.
These properties are owned by the county for back taxes.
Sometimes you'll see that the tax amount might be five hundred dollars a year on say twenty acres I'm just making a number up over the past five years and so you multiply and that's how much money you would have to offer them theoretically for them to sell you the property if they were selling the property.
But instead here's what the actual mechanism is many of these places have a mechanism a form online that will allow you to petition the county to resell the property.
This is the legal mechanism that they have to use to actually bring it up because you're dealing with county owned property as though you know surplus trucks and this kind of thing.
And so they got to be fair to all humans that are in there in the county or elsewhere.
So they will have a public auction with this property that you have found.
Now likely nobody else is going to bid on it.
And so probably you'll get the um the the bid now or get the property.
Now when I say 40 acres for $5300 that that was an actual case where JIPO logger had screwed the county and the county had had I think uh twenty-five thousand dollars in taxes as I recall uh owing on the property but no one bid other than the guy who petitioned to for the resale and uh at that point that was all he bid and they accepted it because they are so desperate to get these properties back on the tax rolls.
Now when they accepted it, he had to sign a statement that basically committed him to putting about 12,000 dollars into road work instantly in order to satisfy a condition of sale.
I don't know how it's gone I haven't haven't pursued it.
This was a fairly recent sale I suppose I could track it down but this gives you an idea of the kinds of things that are possible there.
So you have to do the work the county is this is not going to be easy.
If you decide you want to do it you're gonna have to locate the areas you want to live in find the county's websites track down the parcel numbers that are owned by the county for back taxes find those that are uh suitable to you with this rather tedious process because very few counties have a map to parcel number direct approach here and many of the counties are are not even as organized as to have the parcel numbers more than a simple list.
And so it'll be a real problem for you.
However there's some real gems here.
Hundreds of acres that can be had for relatively few dollars if you're willing to put the energy into rehabbing the planet which is basically what it's going to amount to.
Now when you do the petition for a resale you'll fill out the form and get it back to them they will have a period of notice that has to go on out.
Sometimes these counties will say well we've got a six months notice period that we've got to have on this is not true as I've discovered and you can again petition them to to basically do the thing in a hurry.
And they will accommodate that because they're very desperate to get these properties back on the tax roll.
And they will monitor you and and make you pay your taxes because they need the bucks, guys.
But um this is really a um uh it's not a good thing.
I mean these JIPO loggers shouldn't be allowed to operate uh rough on the land this way um and steal the old growth and all of this, but there are real potential uh silver linings here for certain individuals that could get on out and make themselves a life in uh in these areas.
Because it's possible for a number of you know, it used to be that I think they said that it was uh one person per forty acres, but with modern techniques and so on, you can get uh several people surviving off of a single acre.
Uh this is the kind of deal that we're gonna go into in our PU in the PNW.
So anyway, uh give it a give it a shot.
If you do get to the point where you've actually got money down on one of these properties, uh give me a call.
I'm yet to put out all of this information.
My remediation technique for these particular areas is something I'm gonna have to do a little bit of work on.
I can give you the theoretical part of it.
I know it'll function because I've done smaller bits of it and it's in use in other parts of the planet in various different forms.
Um and I will be writing it all up and detailing it later on is the problem.
Uh not at the moment.
But if you get to your property ahead of me getting to mine and getting this word out, I'll let you know how to deal with it.
And then at some point I'll have it all in a nice little CD for you with uh supporting documentation and all of this kind of stuff.
So you'll be able to just present it to your county and you're done.
Assuming counties are a problem.
Terms of government.
Okay, so I'm gonna wrap up here pretty quick because I've got to get some food.
And it's early in the morning and we need another cup of tea, and the the puppies here are saying chao chow.
I'm gonna start nibbling on your toes.
Anyway, uh so uh something to note, by the way, uh people say I I get this all the time in emails.
It's not criticism, it's just a curiosity.
They say, one quick question.
And and it's true.
They've got one short question.
Some of these questions, you know, six words and a question mark.
Problem is there's no such thing as a quick answer.
So just bear that in mind and give me a little bit of um uh of slack here in terms of the responses.
Uh we're kind of buried under the emails.
So if you don't hear back from me, I've still got about 500 emails to work through that I haven't even uh processed because of all the problems and spending all the time in the hospital and crap.
Um so if you don't hear back from me in a couple of weeks, you may want to resend it to me if it was important, uh, because I may have just uh slipped through with all of the other chaos going around.
Uh thanks guys.
I think that'll do it for today.
Stick around, come back and check this space for our Thanksgiving post-Thanksgiving Wu Joe on this really cool subject.
And in the meantime, uh watch out for the earthquakes and the banksters.
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