One American - Chase Geiser - What Is ESG & What's The Real Purpose Of It? | Environmental, Social & Corporate Governance

Dec. 1, 2022 - One American - Chase Geiser

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What Is ESG & What's The Real Purpose Of It? | Environmental, Social & Corporate Governance

ESG data assess the externalities that an organization produces in terms of environment, social welfare, and corporate governance. ESG data helps investors determine how risky an organization is, and the organization can use the data to measure success. But that's not all- investors may also value a company more highly if it takes sustainability into consideration for all stakeholders. This reflects in their long-term risk-adjusted return on investment. Organizational stakeholders include but not limited to customers, suppliers, employees, leadership, and the environment. ESG goals were first established by the UN in 2004, and there has been a recent focus on incorporating this data with SDGs. The term "ESG" was coined in a report called "Who Cares Wins", put together by financial institutions at the request of UN. In the past two decades, the ESG movement has exploded in popularity worldwide. What started as a corporate social responsibility initiative by the United Nations now represents more than US$30 trillion in assets under management.  According to Morningstar, Inc., in 2019 capital amounting to $17.67 billion flowed into ESG-linked products--a 525 percent increase from 2015. Critics contend that ESG linked-products have not had and are improbable to have the intended effect of raising the cost of capital for firms that pollute. They have also accused the movement of greenwashing.

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	It's one American Podcast live with Matthew Colkin.
	How are you today, sir?
	Always good to be back.
	Yeah, it's awesome, man.
	We've done a lot of podcasts together.
	I appreciate you giving me the time today.
	I uh you're my favorite uh podcaster, so anytime I get asked, I drop everything.
	I appreciate that.
	So how'd you like uh being on InfoWars uh a number of weeks ago?
	It was great.
	Um I uh was it was I I just um it's upsetting to see what has happened to Alex.
	I mean, it it seems like the penalty doesn't necessarily fit I I don't see how you justify those damages.
	Yeah.
	Well wasn't there one estimate that was like 2.4 trillion dollars or something?
	Yeah, I I mean like GDP I'm not saying that he he doesn't deserve to potentially pay financially, but that's you know that the the the crime doesn't fit the time in that in my opinion.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And I'm not really sure because obviously I'm not a lawyer how how it works in a defamation case like this where if you if you if you're convicted of defaming a number of people across a number of different states on the internet, what jurisdiction are you supposed to be tried?
	Is it just wherever the victim is?
	And so if there's victims in three states, there's a different trial in three states, or is it where you are as the host?
	Like, how does that work?
	It seems like he's being attacked a million times.
	Yeah, you have to establish that the venues proper so that uh you're filing suit in the uh in a pro in the proper jurisdiction, and I don't I mean I I just sue the federal government, so it's a little bit outside of my uh my purview, but um I'm it's one of the things that you have to especially when you're filing lawsuit that uh you've got standing and that you're in the proper venue.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So my question is, how can they are they suing him personally or are they suing InfoWars?
	You know, I I'm not sure how familiar you are with the case.
	I I'm not that familiar with the case.
	Um I just know that I think it was very shortly after I the two of us appeared, I think that the the verdict came down.
	Um so it I it it it popped into my uh into my vision.
	But um I uh I really don't know whether or not because I haven't been following the case, I don't really know whether or not they sued him personally.
	I mean, generally speaking, you you sue the deepest pockets.
	Uh and I can't imagine that whatever insurance policy he had would cover a trillion dollars.
	I mean, who could afford that kind of million even?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	Uh I mean I have I have insurance policies and they're in the millions, not into the billions, let alone the trillions.
	Um but I you know it's unfortunate that first of all, I I would never want to believe that there were people out there that would were evil enough to uh uh pretend that they had children that were murdered.
	Uh it's just that be that was a conspiracy theory that was beyond didn't pass the the sniff test to me.
	I I love conspiracy theories when it comes to just the entertainment value of them.
	They're they're I find them hysterical to play through, and I love seeing the production value of the things that are that you see on YouTube and you go through all of it and it's pure entertainment for me.
	I just I mean I'm entertained, but I don't really view it as anything other than entertainment.
	Even though they may raise very, very valid questions and potentially could have kernels of truth in them.
	Um the flat earthers of the world don't have any standing in in in my court.
	Have you ever been in a debate with a flat earther?
	No, I would never.
	I wouldn't waste my time.
	Well, I was in a situation in which I couldn't avoid it because I was like at a um I'm a Freemason, so I was at I was at a Masonic Lodge meeting and there was a flat earther that visited the lodge, you know.
	You get all sorts of people out of Masonic Lodge, by the way, that show up.
	Like a lot of people are like, there's Illuminati real.
	So this guy was talking about how the earth was flat and he was going into the science and the gyroscopes.
	And I'm just like, if the earth is flat, then how come every other planet is round?
	You know, like you know, and he's like, you know, just some answer.
	And finally, I was like, all right, all right, so let's assume that NASA and the government and everybody's lying and the earth is flat.
	Why are they lying?
	And his response was because the government doesn't want us to believe in God.
	Okay.
	I you know, once again, people are gonna believe what they're gonna believe.
	And I I I've I've come to terms with that the fact that there are things that I'm not smart enough to understand, number one.
	And number two, no one on earth is smart enough to understand.
	I'm fairly confident that in a hundred years we're going to look back on the current science and uh it was untrustworthy.
	It was not worthy of our trust.
	I mean, you just look at what we believe to be medical fact a year ago.
	Doesn't really seem to play out from year to year.
	And that's one of the things that uh we were talking about Elon Musk before we got on on the air.
	Uh what he's doing is so absolutely important to this very topic, and that's allowing for open debate.
	I mean, during the pandemic, anyone with a dissenting opinion with regards to the medical science of COVID and its origins and it's the treatment thereof, there was such a coordinated effort from legacy media,
	um the uh the Democratic Party, the scientific community to get behind this group think that we have the established narrative that is dogma, it's religious dogma, and it's the with flat eartherism.
	I mean, either you believe in this or you don't believe in God.
	And got their God was their God was their scientific truth, which was fine, not scientific fact.
	Yeah, it's and I I did a a Twitter rant thread a couple hours ago, sort of in this vein.
	I missed it, dude.
	Oh man, it's pretty good.
	Actually, you know what I'll do?
	I'll just I'll read it right now.
	Um just to see what you think, because I'm interested in your feedback on this.
	I won't I won't necessarily read the whole rant, but rather than try to rephrase it, I'll just read the carefully thought out phrasing I already use.
	So I said the government is pressuring businesses to censor freedom of speech, which is unconstitutional.
	Government officials and business leaders who advocate for the suppression of speech are either violating their oaths of office or fundamentally anti-American.
	Then I said platforms that have been previously ambivalent to things like child pornography, CCP espionage and manipulation on TikTok, privacy violations, and other serious issues are suddenly expressing concern over the quote, health and safety, end quote of users.
	This is a front.
	The fact of the matter is big tech in conjunction with government officials do not want free speech because it isn't conducive to their political agenda.
	There's a concerted effort to conglomerate the flow of information so it can be controlled, i.e., so you can be controlled.
	And it it's just it baffles me how the app store is, you know, Apple isn't criticizing Snapchat just based on the fact that 14-year-olds are sending new pictures of each other constantly on that platform, but but they're worried about you know not censoring dangerous misinformation on Twitter.
	Like, where are the priorities here?
	Well, I mean, it's it's a double standard, and the hypocrisy is uh is mind-numbing.
	Um the reality of the situation is is that I okay, so there's tons of different ways to look at this.
	And now I'm digressing, but there's tons of different ways to look at it.
	Um there is the version that big tech and corporate America, Wall Street, etc., the the big banks, that they're working, they're colluding with the Democratic Party to be able to number one be profitable,
	but also to advance their uh social justice narrative that they find to be um uh to be more palatable because of the people that are now in those those industries.
	But I don't know necessarily know if I subscribe to that theory.
	I think I subscribe to the theory that they're not in working with c in concert with the Democratic Party.
	What they're doing is they're trying to distract us from what's actually going on because it impacts their bottom line.
	They don't want us to uh they want they're the gladiator show when Rome's burning.
	You know, feed them wine, feed them marijuana, keep them happy, keep the so that they don't notice that we're sending billions of dollars a month to Ukraine to launder, and it's being completely unaccountable for.
	And meanwhile, there's 87,000 new IRS agents that are going to be cycling through the agency to make sure that the average American who's actually paying taxes, someone like me, a small guy who's a small business owner as a small law firm that happens to make a little bit more money than the average American that that I'm paying 50% of my income in taxes.
	And the Elon Musks of the world, they don't give a fuck about taxes.
	I mean you can tax.
	Isn't even income tax.
	It's all selling shares.
	It's capital gains only, right?
	Well, I I don't know how he's doing it.
	I just know that I'm not doing it that way.
	I know I gotta go to work.
	I I know that if I stop going to work, there's a problem.
	The mortgage doesn't get paid.
	And they don't have to, they don't.
	I mean, the these people are so unfathomably wealthy.
	Uh especially the these politicians.
	I mean Joe Biden, that guy, how many homes does he have?
	He's had a number.
	I don't know how many currently owns, but at least at least two right now, I believe.
	I think he's got a beach house in Delaware and then maybe another primary residence, and of course he lives in the White House.
	Until he became vice, that was the highest paying job he ever held before he became vice president.
	And he amassed most of his wealth by his vice president.
	I wonder how he did that.
	When if that's on Hunter's laptop.
	Yeah, it sure is.
	It's it was all money laundering through Rosmont Seneca and Metabiota and DOD contracts in Ukraine.
	And we're doing it still.
	I mean, there's I just saw there's 20 billion unaccounted for.
	And look, I'm not I'm not someone that's a fan of Vladimir Putin.
	I I certainly didn't buy into any of the matter of fact, I did it on this show right here.
	I think the first time I never bought into any of the Russian collusion stuff.
	I didn't think Trump was colluding with Russia.
	I don't think Trump.
	Pardon me?
	Why would he even need it to?
	Well, exactly.
	He had already won.
	And it seems like Russia always seems to be colluding and interfering with our elections when the Republicans win.
	But the the second data Democrats, it's a fair free and fair election.
	Completely free and fair.
	Still there?
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	I think my video just cut out.
	I'll fix it.
	Um keep going.
	Finish your thought.
	Yeah, so my so the the point being, there we go.
	So the point being is that you don't have to be an election denier to realize that we're not operating on an even playing field.
	It there's a double standard no matter on all planes of our of our political system, our educational systems, everything that is slanted against a certain viewpoint.
	And uh there's gotta be a point that we can figure out because it can't be just the conservative versus the liberal political narrative.
	I I just don't think that I just don't think that people in big tech, people in big uh um big the legacy media, uh um big government and um and corporate America really care that much about a biological male competing with with uh biological females.
	I don't think that that's they that's not high enough on their radar that they could care less about, or so that they could care less about it.
	Um or they couldn't care less.
	Um whatever that is.
	You know, I I'm a big fan of the big short.
	It's a great movie, great book.
	And you know, one of the things that was abundantly made clear in in that story, and I don't think this is just Hollywood, this is the nature of the story that what we experienced 2006 through 2008, is that the banks knew what they were doing and they knew it was gonna pop and they didn't care because they knew that they were gonna get bailed out.
	And so if if we're talking about entities with that level of lack of conscience, then when they talk about ESG or diversity, equity and inclusion, there's no fucking way I believe that they are just bleeding hearts from their you know corner C-suite offices uh for for minority communities when they're constantly fucking them with interest rates and bad loans and uh um uh um adjustable uh interest rate loans and and just loan sharking all they don't care.
	So the question then becomes if they're not really about this ESG stuff and this DEI stuff, why are they pushing it?
	There's gotta be something in it for them, right?
	Well, they're becoming unfathomably wealthy and they don't care because once they have theirs, it doesn't make a difference what happens to the economy.
	They've got their money.
	If you've got a bank account with 50 million dollars in it, it really is until hyperinflation hits, you know, you're still living large and you've got you've bought your freaking your compound in New Zealand that you're going to take your private jet to and hang out with Matt Lauer because he's got a place down there.
	I mean, if you look, I've Google Google billionaires buying up land in New Zealand.
	There's a whole bunch of these billionaires that have basically they're creating like these doomsday bunkers and people from Silicon Valley who are uh and I am not saying that this is any this is that's gonna happen, but they understand that with technology, there is a certain amount of obsolescence of of humanity.
	There's a limited amount of like, for example, go into a grocery store, Walmart, any one of those stores.
	Uh good luck seeing a checker anymore.
	There's no checker.
	You go to those kiosks and you and there's one person there checking a receipt as you leave in a camera right there, uh making sure that in case you get caught that they they they bust you.
	They're not, there's very few checkout people anymore.
	There's kiosks at McDonald's.
	They're eliminating all the low paying jobs at part because they've mandated $15 an hour minimum wage.
	So I mean they've eliminated the low-end jobs to allow kids to have their first jobs and get some experience in the workforce.
	That's what those jobs are for.
	They're not for a 52-year-old man who's got two degrees.
	Those are entry-level jobs that used to be filled by kids.
	And guess what?
	Kids don't want to fill those jobs because if they figured out, college aid kids during the pandemic that they got paid for staying home.
	They were getting checks.
	In New York State, they were getting a check from New York State, plus that they were making like 30 grand a year for sitting at home for for a year or two.
	I mean, why is it that there's they're they're never going back into a low-end workplace job.
	And I mean, and then you've got all the unionization.
	I mean, look uh look at these Starbuck baristas.
	I mean, they're they're looking to make unions out of their coffee pouring job.
	I mean, when I was a kid pouring coffee, I mean look, I'm not for closers.
	Hey, that's right.
	Second place gets a set of set of stake knives.
	Right.
	Third place you're gonna be able to get it.
	First place, you're tired.
	You're fired.
	Oh, Alec Baldwin, what a champion.
	What an American hero.
	Oh, well, I mean, you know, he can he's he's a killer.
	He's a killer.
	So my theory about the ESG stuff, and just for the sake of the audience, ESG stands for environmental sustainability and governance, and it's what I believe to be an intentionally obscure parameter by which major banking institutions determine who is worthy of investment, right?
	So there's ESG scores, companies get these ESG scores, whether it's Enron or not Enron, Exxon or Tesla or whatever.
	And the the thing is that there's no really, there's no objective system by which an ESG score is attributed to uh an entity or an organization.
	It's usually done with like panelists, and it's sort of like a whimsical, it's almost like a beauty pageant where like people just hold up a card like you know, 10 or 8 or whatever, like the Olympics.
	And so in my opinion, it seems to me like the ESG narrative is a front for basically this mechanism that these institutions can use to determine who gets investment or who doesn't on a global scale at just the whim of whoever's in charge of putting together the panels and the entities that that provide these ESG scores.
	So if I'm a major globalist banking institution and for some reason I hate Elon Musk, right?
	Because he's catalyzing freedom of speech on the internet and I don't want Elon Musk to have any access to any capital for his Tesla factories because I want him to suffer and because I want him to be rendered powerless, then if I have this ESG mechanism that all these global or major centralized banking institutions have agreed to abide by, we can just simply give Tesla an unsatisfactory ESG score, which renders them disqualified from any sort of finance, right?
	So we're not going to loan you the $100 million for your new Tesla factory or whatever, even though we know that you're going to make a killing and we're going to get our money back because you didn't meet our ESG requirements.
	So I think that it's a front and it's just an excuse to only provide capital to entities that follow a certain political agenda.
	Yeah, I just can't believe that these banks would be stupid enough to eliminate the vetting that is historically responsible, which is to give people money when there's a likelihood of them being able to repay it.
	it.
	I mean and and during the the first uh too big to fail um I I'll I'll never forget I was in my I was in my first home I was a young lawyer uh didn't have you know a ton of money or anything along those lines and I was offered very shortly after that I and I had like a I don't remember what my first interest rate was on my first house but it had to been like eight or nine percent something like that.
	Um, and, and at the time I was happy to have it, but they were offering me the ability to, um, to refinance.
	And they were willing to give me twice as much than my house was worth with like, basically you're the sign on the dotted line.
	We'll give you twice what your house, house is worth.
	And, uh, but it was going to be a variable interest rate.
	And I was like, variable interest rate.
	I'm, you know, I wasn't an econ major, but I was an English major.
	I know what variable means.
	And variable means that it's, uh, it's subject to change and it can go up and it can go down.
	And if it goes down, I'm happy.
	And if it goes up, I might be able to afford the, uh, the payment on twice the value of my home.
	I said, no, I'll take a fixed rate.
	And I went from there and I, and I paid off my home as, as I, as I normally would, but, uh, I know that the I mean that's what happened.
	I mean people were just getting all these variable they were getting multiple mortgages on their homes and then the interest rates all jumped up and they all went bankrupt and they and that's what's gonna happen they that's what they want to do again.
	We're gonna haven't learned a damn thing.
	That's what Biden I believe that's what Biden was just talking about.
	They're trying to get more people back into their homes.
	We don't want to get more people back into homes if you can afford it.
	But I mean how are you going to support it if you most what's shocking to me is how few people are returning to the Biden's touting unemployment and blah blah blah blah blah it's not unemployment when people are just going back to work and jobs that were shut down because of the pandemic.
	Right.
	They literally just were allowed to go back to work.
	They were unemployed because they weren't allowed to go into work and then as soon as they the government lifted restrictions and said you can now go into a restaurant and order chicken wings when you have uh have beer which is what happened in New York State thanks Cuomo that's not that's not creating a new job.
	That's just allowing someone to go back to work.
	But there as we were just discussing there's so many people that have no interest in returning to the workforce.
	I mean they want this uh universal basic income uh to kick in they want to have they want to have the ability to just live a life and hey who's who am I to judge I mean I would love to be able to not have to work and live a live a great life it'd be nice but someone's got to pay for it.
	Unfortunately, I'm the sucker that's going to be paying for it.
	The small business owner, the guy that needs his income.
	Otherwise, the lights get shut off.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It was funny because when the pandemic kicked in, one of my wife's close friends lost her job.
	She worked at a yoga center, right?
	They shut all those down right off the bat because large gatherings, small rooms.
	Right.
	And I called her and I was like, hey, I actually need some help with some stuff.
	Do you want to work for me part-time or full-time?
	I'll pay you $25 an hour.
	an hour which is 50 grand a year right and um she's like you know I crunch the numbers and I'll actually get about as much if I don't work so I'm just not going to wait for my job to come back whenever this is over.
	And then you should no I'm not really but I felt I was so pissed because I do have to that was what was frustrating about it to me is that yeah it's like I'm still paying you but you're not working right like the way that you're doing it.
	So I don't know I just and like I you know I've said the same thing that you just said that you know I'd love to not not have to work and be able to do whatever I want but honestly if you think about it I think that's a pretty miserable state of of life to just not be productive and sit on your hands and watch Netflix all day.
	It's fun for like three days and then it just sucks.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm at the other end of it.
	I'm actually at the point where retirement is really not that far away from me, thankfully, because I've been I've worked I worked hard.
	I mean, I worked 60, 70 hours a week for 22, 23 years to amass some wealth and live underneath your means.
	You don't have don't buy things that you can't afford.
	I mean, just be responsible, which actually goes to another topic of conversation.
	The the Biden student debt forgiveness that got struck down by I think it was 10th Circuit.
	I can't remember which circuit struck it down, but it doesn't make a difference.
	It's like what about people like that were responsible that didn't take out all those loans or alternatively didn't go to a more expensive school and got maybe less of a of a of a ranking on their diploma.
	Because there's the school that they went.
	They could have gotten into that I get they got into.
	They elected not to go into because it was going to be sixty five, seventy thousand dollars a year.
	And they went to a state school instead because it was fiscally responsible.
	Fiscal responsibility is no longer an American value.
	Being smart with your money, being dedicated, working hard and and paying your debts.
	That's you're looking at us as a sucker if you do that.
	that those that's what my generation was told to believe you work your ass off.
	I'm from the you know I grew up in the I'm a 70s kid grew up in the eight came to age in the 80s with all the you know all those the Brack Pack the Brat Pack uh the Gordon Gecko uh greed is good all that kind of stuff that's the mindset that I grew up in and which was you work hard so that you can get rich and and you don't become rich by not working hard.
	And it's funny because I was just watching this other thing which segues about the TikTok um and this goes to sort of goes into a couple of the different topics we've spoken about.
	In China if you go on to TikTok they have it throttled so that the only things that come out are like educational type videos and versus here where it's all these influencers putting up whatever they put on yeah you have to solve a math problem every five videos or something like that.
	Something like that.
	I don't really know exactly how it works.
	I'm not on TikTok.
	I'm aged out.
	But in any event so you they ask children in China what they want to be when they grow up what do you think the answer is the no the overwhelming number one answer percentage wise for what children in China want to be when they grow up I'm gonna guess software engineer.
	Close an astronaut oh okay an astronaut uh in the STEM but in any event in the United States what do you think the specific question they what what do you think kids say they want to YouTuber influencer?
	Influencer.
	Influencer it's just like vanity versus uh exploration.
	Yep so uh China's one because the the our our kids education has been completely gutted and rotted from within they're more interested in teaching gender identity than they are the sciences and uh and kids have no interest in working hard.
	They just want to have followers and and be given free stuff because they're an influencer.
	And I I mean I'm sure every single guy like me throughout time is saying the same thing that the we're screwed the next generation is is it's you can even it's in Plato's Republic, Socrates says it.
	Right.
	And I never bought into that at all because I have a lot of friends that are young, a lot younger than me and uh saw what they did to really develop the internet.
	I mean it's not my generation that developed the internet for the most part.
	It's it's the the guys that are 10, 15 years younger than me.
	You're guys guys your age, 20 years younger than me.
	So I see and I mean it's not even the the like the mill millennials get a better app.
	I'm convinced of that.
	I've seen a lot of millennials that work that like to work hard.
	It's this generation Z. Generation Z, it's the zombie generation and I don't I hope I'm proven wrong but I'm scared to death because God forbid you know we're been talking world war I mean Ukraine was trying to go to us into going to a nuclear war with Russia.
	Do you really want to see Gen Z in our fulfilling our military and fighting a war for the United States?
	Can you imagine that shit?
	We'll just get they might grow up pretty quick you grow up pretty quick if you storm the beach in Normandy.
	That hit in the boat and got shot this is nothing like Call of Duty?
	I mean and personally I mean I I'm I'm a anti-war I'm uh I'm an isolationist I really don't believe that we should be spending we should our military budget is obscene.
	What I would rather see is a fraction of that budget be specifically focused on special warfare.
	Like have our have our special warfare guys be the best trained the best equipped and and the best paid so that like guys like Pat Tillman, you know, these amazing humans are like huh I can make 150 2000 a year and then get a pension going into special warfare.
	You know, maybe I'm not good enough to make the NFL or the NBA or whatever, but I'm a physical specimen and I, you know, and I'm a smart guy too, or woman.
	And give them the ability to replenish our, I mean, the special warfare community is plagued by fatigue and exhaustion and suicides because those guys have just been, I mean, we've been in an endless war for, what is it?
	21 years now?
	We've pretty much been at war whether hot or cold ever since World War II.
	Honestly ever since World War I in my opinion World War I and World War II are the same war there was just a ceasefire.
	Yeah.
	You know really started because of the whole Treaty of Versailles if you if you look at the history of why that all kicked off and you know I think that goes into that that goes into the whole thing we were talking about with Putin in Ukraine.
	Do you see Putin as being Hitler?
	Do you think that's his goal?
	I don't think he's a good guy but I don't think he's Hitler I uh I don't see him barnstorming through Europe.
	No.
	I think he's a Russian sovereignist, if that's even a word.
	I think he just believes in the sovereignty of his country, and everything that every other country does in NATO is centered around trying to bully Russian in submission.
	I even believe that a huge incentive behind the climate change claims over the last several decades has been an effort to move the global energy consumption to renewables in an effort to compromise Russia's economy, because 70% of their economy is energy exports of fossil fuels.
	fuel.
	So everybody knows that we've got this rogue nuclear power that won't play ball with us and the only way that we can buckle them is if we just cripple their economy uh similar to how we did during the Cold War.
	And I think that that's really the incentive behind this climate change stuff because I don't believe for a minute that any of our politicians are concerned about the health and safety of two generations from now I just think that there the the there was a one there once upon a time was a way to turn Russia into an ally.
	There was a way.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	I mean remember the debate between Obama and Romney and Romney got laughed.
	He got mocked by Obama for saying that Russia was a global enemy.
	That wasn't that long ago.
	Right.
	He literally was like, you know, the 80s, I think he said the 80s called and they want their foreign policy back.
	I think that was the joke that Obama used in the debate.
	Great joke.
	He was he was a talented politician.
	He was.
	He was.
	He legitimately won twice.
	You know, there's no question that Obama won twice.
	There's no question in my mind that there weren't 81 million people that went out to vote for Joe Biden.
	Sure.
	Well, I when I really think about it, I'm drawn to the notion that Russia actually was never an enemy.
	And I'm inclined to think that the cold war was the military-industrial complex and the intelligence community deceiving the various White Houses over the course of that cold war to exaggerate the threat that was Russia because it was incredibly lucrative to sell ammunition to develop this technology, the weapon.
	I think they exaggerated the Russian threat.
	And I think that Russia the whole time was just trying to keep up from a defensive position and that they never had any intention of like forcing communism on the United States or anything like that.
	I I think that I think the Cold War basically was was made up by our own military apparatus because it was incredibly lucrative.
	That's that's my why did we I don't necessarily disagree.
	I think that there's some validity to that theory.
	And why is it that we just abandoned billions and billions of dollars of equipment in Afghanistan?
	That's very bizarre.
	And why is it that we pump in so much so many weapons in Ukraine when we know that they're gonna lose?
	Like who's gonna wind up with all that stuff?
	Russia.
	Exactly.
	We don't care who has it.
	We only care that we have to make more of it.
	Because if we oh well we just lost, we have to we have to make more.
	So we need a new contract, and you know, there's 10% for the big guy.
	The big guy's gonna get his.
	Yeah, and they they fucking knew that Ukraine was gonna get invaded when when we left Afghanistan in I think so.
	I think they knew because there were there were rumors about it for an extended period of time uh prior to it actually happening, many months, and I believe that it extended back into the fall before it happened, uh, when we left Afghanistan.
	Certainly the intelligence community was aware that there was there were arrangements being made for an invasion of Ukraine, and if they weren't, they're entirely incompetent.
	Like, how do you not know if Russia's planning to do an invasion?
	They didn't just decide spontaneously to do it and catch everybody by surprise.
	They were working on it, right?
	And there's no way we don't have moles and spies.
	There's no way we didn't know it was gonna happen.
	And Biden kept saying it was gonna happen way before it did happen, and I thought he was just lying.
	And I, you know, I was like, bullshit, you know, but he was right.
	And so he knew he was getting intelligence.
	And so what's baffling to me is why would we leave all the weaponry and equipment in Afghanistan knowing that there was an incredibly high likelihood that Ukraine would need it, right?
	We could have just sent it to Ukraine, right?
	Oh you know why?
	Because if we would have done that, we wouldn't have had to send billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine to get 10%.
	They wanted to launder the money.
	They had to.
	This was the biggest transfer of wealth in the history.
	So they armed our enemies and they and they stole our money.
	Yes.
	Our own government.
	This is like this is enemy of the people shit.
	Totally new.
	And it's like it would have how expensive would it have been relative to the billions of dollars we're giving Ukraine to like you know, drop off the helicopters and tanks that we had, not arm Al Qaeda or whatever.
	We're gonna hold off on the withdrawal.
	We're not gonna like, you know, allow our service members to uh to twist in the wind and die while we're pulling out ahead of time.
	What we're gonna do is we're gonna do it, we're gonna slow down our drawdown a little bit.
	We're gonna take our equipment out and the pallets of money that are left behind out of Afghanistan first.
	We're gonna send it over to Ukraine because they're gonna need it.
	And uh because they're about to be invaded by literally Hitler.
	Right.
	Right.
	And but no we're not gonna do that.
	We're just gonna, you know, because none of it makes sense unless you look at it from the perspective of the people that make me from arms deals needed to sell arms.
	You know, I mean I've actually gotten to the point I was having this conversation today with my business manager.
	I'm I don't believe that America's capable of being fixed anymore.
	I think it's over.
	It's not looking good but we've been I mean imagine how people must have felt during the Civil War.
	There was probably a lot of that comment going around the federal government wasn't anything like it is now in the Civil War.
	I mean that was uh that was a fight between humans and they resolved their difference on a battlefield and millions of people died.
	I don't remember how many millions of people died.
	I think was it two million people that died in the civil war I don't remember.
	I could be wrong but I believe the number's more like 800,000 I'll look it up.
	Okay.
	But it was the largest casualty war for the United States because both sides were Americans.
	Yeah.
	I don't remember the number so forgive me for it's okay it's 6200 dead.
	So there were way more casualties.
	All right so uh when you have a conventional war like that eventually there's going to be war fatigue.
	All right.
	But we don't have a conventional war going on in this country.
	I believe the Civil War has already started.
	Like when the historians write the history books about the split up of the United States, which I believe is an end.
	And we've talked about this at length on other podcasts.
	I won't get into it too deeply.
	But it's being predicted.
	It's an eventuality that's been predicted by a number of economists and historians over the course of the last two decades.
	The United States is starting to get a little long in the tooth with regards to our ability to.
	remain united.
	I don't believe that there will ever be a conventional war in the United States again.
	I think that what we're seeing out in eastern Oregon is that what's going to happen there is there's just going to be a number of states, rural parts of states, that are going to say, no, we are no longer going to align with the politics of the big city and the tax and spend Democrat policies.
	Because we're working and we can't ever get our power.
	power back because of just the the the populations and they're going to align with other states that are more politically aligned with them and there's going to be a the United States is going to just the boundaries are going to be redrawn.
	And that's going to be basically the way the civil war will work it'll be a redrawing of boundaries and potentially um a shrinking of the power of the federal government where these states are going to stop sending money to the federal government they're going to pass laws that are going to limit tax the federal taxation and it'll just starve out the federal government and that's going to have wide reaching effects on a national level at least on a on an international level.
	I mean it it'll I I don't see the US dollar being the world's currency in 50 years.
	I don't know if you're still there Chase I can still I don't know if you can still hear me or not but sorry my camera keeps cutting out yeah I can I can hear you on filibustering but I don't know if that's a good you're doing great I appreciate I'm rambling.
	We've had all sorts of technical difficulties is um probably just because the government doesn't want us to have any communication about the sort of legal so I have a very I agree with everything that you said and I think it's very reasonable but I have a very hard time believing that any territory within the United States will be able to divorce without violence.
	I just can't imagine the federal government allowing that to happen.
	Because in the event that that would happen I imagine that we would have a very leftist federal government I just I and I just couldn't see that sort of mentality well I would I want to hope that that we will never see a conventional war in the United States uh ever again.
	I don't ever want to see Americans taking up arms against other Americans.
	As much of an advocate of the second amendment and uh from a philosophical standpoint uh that I am.
	My philosophy on the second amendment uh is I I don't like to even think about um all enemies, the domestic part of the foreign and domestic, I think more of um of the citizenry's uh this the average citizen's ability to be able to take up arms in participation of a militia,
	let's say hypothetically, you know, China's to come here, they uh they do some sort of an EMP, they you know, they uh they they detonate a nuke above a portion of the United States or multiple parts of the United States, it takes out communications, etc.
	I like the idea of having citizens being able to band together potentially with conventional uh firearms to be able to create militias under the direction of state governors uh and uh in a national guard type capacity to be able to defend our country against uh against a foreign invasion, which I think becomes more and more likely as the destabilization of the dollar um uh becomes more of a likelihood.
	Um but in any event in your scenario, if the Fed Gov starts to come into the uh into the states to take over militarily, I don't think that bodes very well for them at all.
	Um we didn't if we couldn't beat Al-Qaeda, they're not gonna be able to beat pissed off American citizens.
	No.
	Well, the the more first of all, morale in customs and border protection and and Department of Homeland Security and a whole is at an all-time low.
	They are having uh extreme difficulty keeping their people there.
	And the uh the border patrol, I mean, they're those people are just been left left uh on a vine to die.
	Um they've been overwhelmed on the southern border, and this has come from an immigration lawyer.
	I mean, what the Biden administration has done on switching gears very important attention.
	But what the Biden administration has done is they have basically stopped enforcing the immigration law in the interior of the United States.
	Unless you know you've been convicted of something really, really bad and are and have already served your your state or your federal sentence, then they'll because you're they're not getting out of custody and they only have a limited amount of beds, so they're enforcing the laws to get those people deported back.
	And then they're sneaking back in through the southern border, which statistics are bearing out.
	But what the Biden administration has done is they've said that if you sneak into the United States, you're good to go.
	And we're not going to deport you.
	And you have at least two more years.
	And the money they get that the average immigrant can make in the United States in two years, it makes it worth it for them.
	Because they make in two years in the United States what they can make potentially in ten or more back in their home country.
	So they're flooding the southern border trying to get in the United States.
	And who can blame them?
	I mean, look at what's happened in Venezuela.
	I mean, all of these there the even Mexico, it's overrun by gang violence.
	It's a war zone going on there.
	Yeah.
	Any American that is going down to Mexico to vacation in one of these resorts is insane.
	I know.
	I know.
	They're insane.
	I mean crazy.
	Like there's no way that I would ever go down to Mexico again.
	Never.
	Yeah, I'm never going to Mexico unless I'm participating in an invasion.
	That's why I tell my wife.
	I'm not even going then.
	I'm not even going then.
	Make America Mexico again.
	Annex Mexico.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	So uh get back to what you were saying with regard to uh a conventional federal government uh driven civil war inside of the United States.
	God scares the shit out of me.
	It really does.
	Um I just don't know whether or not you have to hope that the Duranda Santis is of this country, that there are more real leaders that he has created the blueprint of what is necessary to be a successful governor.
	He's fortified his state with like-minded individuals.
	People he's created a he's created a magnet for conservative to the ism.
	And people are flying the I mean just the flooding Florida.
	That was always a purple state.
	For as long as I can remember Chad, it was so close in 2000.
	Right.
	I mean, it it you never knew who was gonna win Florida.
	Now it's like it's been fortified completely.
	Right.
	And I don't believe that that's written in stone.
	I mean, I think that that's we're I believe that we're one I first of all, I don't ever believe that a uh a Republican will win president again.
	I said that before Trump.
	I didn't uh Trump threw everything on its hat on its head.
	If it wasn't for the fact that Hillary Clinton is more hated by a majority of Americans than Donald Trump is percentage-wise, because both Democrats and Republicans hate Hillary.
	It's just it's it's just I mean, let's be honest.
	I mean, she's just gold.
	Yeah.
	And corrupt.
	Yeah.
	She was the only I think I think in that election, Hillary Clinton um was probably the only person that couldn't beat Donald Trump.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Well, and frankly, I think that it was almost just uh a campaign slip up that she didn't win because she did win the popular vote.
	She just her campaign didn't manage where they were getting trying to get the they didn't think about the electoral college enough, and if they had, I think they might have they might have had it in the bag.
	Well, you know, I I I was I my team had the most first downs.
	So we should win the game.
	No, no, no, I'm not cra I'm not criticizing.
	I'm just saying they were going popular.
	They were going popular, and Trump was like, all right, this is gonna be tight.
	So yeah, he was masterful.
	He was masterful.
	I didn't I uh I voted for Gary Johnson uh twice.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Uh and and he had Bill Weld.
	Oh my god, Bill Well.
	Uh Bill, Bill Well, Bill Weld.
	And you know what?
	I mean, and I'm not gonna say his name because he's uh a personal friend of mine, but my my former congressman, he totally flipped on second amendment right issues and uh was one of the Republicans that signed on to the uh the congressional gun control legislation that just passed.
	He was one of the few Republicans that crossed.
	It's like I just it seems like there are two Democrats in the entire country that are willing to act against the um the far left of the Democratic Party.
	And then there's not even five and there's 25 or 30 uh Republicans that want to be on that that want to be Democrats.
	Yeah, there's there's not I've come to the conclusion after this midterm election, because I thought it was gonna be a red wave, just like most people.
	Oh, I didn't.
	I didn't.
	I well, it's because you're smarter than me, but I thought it was gonna be a red wave because maybe I'm just uh optimistic or wishful.
	I'm a Buffalo Bills fan.
	I'm I'm I'm a pessimist.
	I always expect my team to lose.
	Well, yeah, it's a good lawyer, right?
	So you always gotta think like you're losing, right?
	So but when I saw what happened and when I saw Mitch McConnell come out and say, you know, we needed uh reach across the aisle and you know uh you know focus on the 40% of things that we do agree on.
	I just knew like holy shit, this is a uniparty.
	There is no Republican and there there are American, there's the American left and the American right, and those are different, the voters, but there is no difference between the political left and the political right with a few exceptions, right?
	And so my thinking now is all right, so you know the uni party is not just some sort of sarcastic jab at what's going on, like this is a fucking single party state.
	It's as simple as that.
	So when you're talking about third party and trying to push third parties, you're not talking about a third party.
	You're talking about getting back to a two-party system because we don't have that at the federal level, at least at all.
	When you have you know, Republicans voting to send billions of dollars to Ukraine knowing that it's a money laundering scheme or too incompetent not to realize what's going on like that's absolutely absolutely ridiculous it's fucking treason Colkin and this is this is our fucking leadership so where's our where's our representation I don't want to see anything pass through Congress nothing I want to see two years of government shutdown and investigations.
	That's all I want to see.
	I want scourged earth.
	Let's strangle every single administrative agency, get rid of all of their funding, all of it.
	I mean, and this is, I don't have any visions of grandeur that this is going to happen, but it's not enough to just have these sham investigations.
	I mean, they literally need to, they need to throw some people in jail.
	I believe that, and I'm not saying that Donald Trump, I, I didn't vote for Donald Trump's time run as I just said I voted for a second time which we talked about in previous podcasts and I didn't vote for Donald Trump.
	I voted against the Democrats.
	I personally don't like Donald Trump.
	I think, you know, I like a lot of the things that he did.
	The first three years of his presidency were the greatest years of my adult life financially with respect to the economy just exploded under him.
	We just were so strong as a country under him.
	So I was like, you know what, he I'm going to give him my vote based on the fact that what the Democrats did to collude with the FISA courts and all those things that I have spoken about.
	about.
	Right.
	Uh it made me realize that I punish the Democrats and and not vote for a libertarian candidate.
	And now I realize that I can't vote for a libertarian candidate anymore because we're if I mean New York was close it was only like six points.
	Lee Zeldon almost pulled it out against Kathy Hookel.
	I mean that was shocking to me that it wasn't a 20 points a 20 point difference that that a Republican got within like six percentage points of a Democrat in New York state is you know and I don't believe that New York is savable.
	Just like California Yeah it's not saveable.
	The people here in New York City where all the people live want to kill New York they want it dead.
	So how are you gonna fight against that?
	I mean, majority, we don't have an electoral college in the states.
	No, it doesn't make a difference that the vast majority of New York state is red.
	You look at the county.
	Illinois, same thing.
	Yeah.
	Cook County carries the state.
	Every other county is red except for maybe one.
	Right.
	And that's why I'm saying that that's what the Civil War is going to look like.
	Because it's going to be 10 more – how many more election cycles before finally the majority of the land mass of the country says, you know what?
	Let's make two countries, the big cities and the rural areas of the country.
	And the rural area of the country is going to be red.
	The bigs are going to be blue.
	And the way we're going to live together, we're going to have a free trade agreement between the cities and the food-producing areas and the oil-producing areas.
	And we're going to live in harmony.
	You guys are going to have your craziness in the big cities.
	And we're just going to have our – we're just going to cling to our religion and our guns.
	Yeah.
	Well, what's concerning about it to me is if history is any profit, things.
	Things are going to have to get much worse before people.
	They're going to get much worse.
	Right.
	They're going to.
	But like, if you look at, if you look at what happened in Germany in 1933, that was 30, 30% unemployment.
	Right.
	So right now in the United States, we have a situation in which if you're unemployed, it's, you know, maybe you're injured or maybe you have a mental illness or, you know, maybe you're, you're just working the system, but you're, you're still like making ends meet.
	Right.
	However you're doing it, whether it's by being productive or not.
	But when you have 30% unemployment, that means that every day a.
	substantial number of normal competent people with some skill are going out every morning and looking for an opportunity and coming home having found none.
	And you can only do that for so long before people start getting fucking weird.
	Right.
	And that's what I'm that's what happened with the Nazi Party.
	They just got a little weird.
	They started blaming, you know, like this group, right?
	And they just get and they got rallied behind it.
	And so we're not going to see any sort of political change in this country until things get like 30% unemployment bad for years.
	And who the fuck are we going to blame when that happens?
	Who's going to be the oh let's let's Gen Saki circle back to my doomsday bunker portion of the conversation.
	Why do you think all these big tech people are building bunkers?
	Because they are at we're talking about the obsolescence of the workforce, which is going to result in the increase of uh of unemployed individuals.
	And who the and you just ask a question, what are these squirrels who are they gonna go after?
	They're gonna go after people that have.
	They're gonna go after the people that are living in Mitt Romney house with an elevator in La Jolla, California or wherever the hell it is.
	I mean that I mean there's there the have not there's there's I don't know if you listen to anything that Andrew, uh was it Andrew Chang?
	It was an Andre Andrew Chang who ran for for president.
	Um I can't think of his name now.
	Yang Yang with a Y, Yang with a Y. Yang, Andrew Yang.
	And he was in uh he was on the uh the uh the bandwagon for universal basic income.
	And and I believe that the reason why he was and honestly, I mean, I I'm not an economist, I don't know how much that would cost.
	Uh I don't know whether or not that's feasible.
	But hypothetically speaking, if we were I mean, look at how much money we're giving to Ukraine and how much money we're giving to wasted programs to study the uh the sexual proclivities of of squirrels, you know.
	If we eliminated all the fraud and waste, if you were to write a check to the average American for a thousand dollars a month, I don't know if that's possible or not.
	But if you if we were to do that 100% that would go back into the economy, 100%.
	Every single pen would be spent that back in and it and it would dr it would drive economic growth, and it would drive employment.
	Maybe, but if if you look at what happened in healthcare and what happened in higher education in this country, as soon as the government started picking up the tab, that's when the prices skyrocketed.
	So my fear is that if you're if you're flushing the market with cash, you're gonna see a situation in which just all the prices go up because everybody has cash.
	That's true.
	You know, and maybe that's only temporary.
	That's that's my only con my only concern about it.
	I would be open to the idea of universal basic income if it came with the caveat that all other welfare uh entitlement programs be eliminated.
	Oh, absolutely.
	You could choose one or the other.
	Do you want the check or do you want health insurance, right?
	Well, 100% 100% includ including Social Security.
	Like eliminate it all.
	Like eliminate it all, and you'd have to tie it to a flat tax as well, I believe.
	Um, and that's a I I'm not an economist.
	I don't know if anything that I'm saying is I'm I guarantee you anyone that knows what they're talking about, and I am not someone that knows what he talked is talking about when it comes to acad uh uh economic issues will dispel everything that I'm saying.
	But all I know is is that that um the welfare system needs is that's that's a that needs to be completely revamped completely.
	But we're too rich of a country to have people sleeping on the streets.
	Absolutely, and that's one of the things that pisses me off about the left is they always portray the right as this sort of um non-empathetic like sociopathic CEO executive type mentality.
	And I don't think I've ever heard of a single Republican, with maybe the exception of Ayn Rand say that you know, people who are actually struggling should have no help, right?
	There are people that make the argument that churches would do it or churches could do it and charities could do it, and maybe they're right.
	I I don't know, but but nobody actually believes that people who need help shouldn't be helped.
	The problem is that we create these systems and they're exploited by everyone, and they they perpetuate the problem in order to sustain the themselves as organizations.
	So the more money we fund to fight homelessness in Los Angeles, the worse homelessness gets, and then the more We have to fund and it's just like the cycle of uh of constant waste and and um uh corruption, it seems like with all these entitlement programs.
	So but but but you're right.
	I mean, like, yeah, I don't want to see I don't want to see anybody uh struggling to feed their family, and I don't want to see I don't want to see people that can't give uh Christmas presents to their kids.
	Like that's that's terrible.
	And I'm happy to help out of my own pocket voluntarily, or if taxes actually could accomplish that, that'd be that'd be great.
	It's like I say about uh how many have we given to Ukraine?
	Well, um I wasn't there one fat 80 billion, and then there's been like seven here, 13 here.
	Okay, I think it's over 100 billion.
	That was I guess.
	So we're talking about two billion per state.
	If we were to have given each state two billion dollars directly for the creation of uh of food kitchens for the food for individuals that are food insecure.
	I mean, how much could two billion, how far does that go?
	You have to think that I mean I don't know how to get it done.
	I just know that sending to Ukraine is not a good idea.
	It was the most corrupt country in all of Europe.
	All of the leftist magazines were talking about how corrupt Ukraine was.
	Two years.
	They have said a documentary about they're actually Nazis, like with the flag, right?
	Nazis.
	Like I've seen the interviews.
	Like they're not.
	I think you posted a poll.
	Where are there more Nazis, Russia Ukraine?
	All right, so I said I said China, the people of China or the people of Ukraine, but we're funding Ukraine, but we're ignoring the people in China, right?
	That was the point.
	Yeah.
	I mean you see the poll I ran the other day with about uh um uh who would be a better president of the United States, uh Vladimir Putin or Kamala Harris, 94% of 3,000 votes Vladimir Putin.
	I voted for Putin.
	I mean, Kamala Harris is in completely, she's not capable of doing anything.
	Okay, so let's talk about okay.
	So I it just popped in my head because of Kamal Harris.
	Kamala Harris got completely destroyed by Tulsi Gabbard on the debate stage.
	I thought that was the end of her political career.
	What do you think and uh what do you think about Tulsi Gabbard and what she's been doing recently?
	Have you been following her at all?
	Yeah, I follow her.
	I think she's incredibly attractive.
	And uh I think that she's earnest.
	And I don't know what her play is because I can't see how I can't see how what she's doing is actually going to accomplish anything for her politically.
	Um but she doesn't strike me as disingenuous.
	I think she probably never really was a Democrat and she just had to run as one to get elected in Hawaii, and that's probably why she did it.
	She's probably more of like a libertarian sort of she's not like an evangelical Republican in that she doesn't believe in um uh she probably believed in like the right for gay people to get people getting at, but I like her.
	Uh she's never really said anything that I disagreed with.
	She said a lot that I disagreed with on the second amendment front, but she What'd she say about Second Amendment?
	Well, she was first up in bans previously.
	Um but she just came out uh within the last month and wrote an entire and and gave uh uh a talk about how wrong she was with regards to the restrictions that she was advocating for with regards to our our second amendment freedoms and specifically set forth in my opinion,
	in my legal opinion, the correct interpretation of the Second Amendment and what it's for, and that uh and that the second amendment was there to prevent against an overreaching tyrannical executive branch that abuses in the army and times to restrict the freedoms of the constitutionally protected freedoms of American citizens,
	and that is safeguard against that is for the average citizen to be able to have access to military great weapons so that they can participate in a militia if called upon by uh uh a state governor uh in order to uh to engage in war against uh uh both of a domestic enemy and a foreign enemy.
	Sure.
	And that we're supposed to have access to those weapons.
	So this is what she was saying, and it's correct.
	Uh very much so.
	And that was the one thing that I was I was waiting for.
	I'm like, yeah, I just can't, because as I was saying, a friend of mine, just knee in the ass, someone that I've supported throughout his the entirety of his political career, all the way up to being my congressman.
	And he turns back on Second Amendment protections at the last minute.
	And so I'm very very hesitant when I hear anybody flip-flopping on on that issue.
	Because it's like, you know, you're either you get it or you don't.
	But it's nice to see somebody flip-flop from the the the infringements side to the the freedom side.
	Sure, sure.
	And who's that um is it JP Sears that that red the redheaded uh youtuber that's really funny.
	Um he he used to be sort of on the he came out with a video and said you know I'm pro-second amendment.
	But you gotta also think about the context in which the sick the second amendment was was written I we were an incredibly vulnerable nation, right?
	I mean the federal government had zero money.
	That's why the Articles of Confederation failed right when the Bill of Rights was written there were Native Americans on several different fronts constantly we just gotten out of a war with the the the the most powerful nation uh in the world and what's to say they don't attack us again now that we're vulnerable.
	So they were thinking, we've got to have everybody armed.
	You don't want a situation where Ukraine gets invaded and the government has to frantically hand out AK-47s to everyone.
	You just want everybody to already have one, right?
	And in West D. Miller, they go – because the new test that's set forth in New York State pistol and rifle of the Bruin is that the government bears the burden of proving that if they intend to pass a law that's going to infringe upon something that's protected by the Second Amendment and plain reading of the text, anything that's considered to be a bearable arm and modern versions of a musket are covered under as a bearable arm.
	Anything that can be considered to be a bearable arm is protected by the Second Amendment.
	That the government, if they want to infringe upon that right, they need to show the history and the United States of making those infringements.
	And they include examples of infringements in your right to carry in certain sensitive locations, which potentially could be like – they list like a courtroom and things along those lines.
	There's a history and a tradition of having those restrictions.
	And that's being exploited by the Democrats, but that's not my point.
	My point being that there was a case back in the 30s at U.S.P.
	Miller where they ruled that the law prohibiting short-barreled shotguns was constitutional because a short-barreled shotgun is not in common use.
	It's not something that people would need in furtherance of their service in a militia.
	It's not a standard-issue rifle that you would need to be able to get in line next to your militia.
	And as a 18-to 34-year-old citizen of the United States, which is what the militia is comprised of, and any weapon and ammunition for that weapon that is necessary as part of ordinary military equipment is protected under the Second Amendment, which means – and this is all in U.S.P.
	Miller.
	It's a history of the Second Amendment of gun laws prior to the Second Amendment in that case.
	It's a really good case.
	It's not that long.
	Most of it's in the footnotes.
	And it's hysterical because if you go through that, all of these – and I'm confident, based on the current makeup of the Supreme Court and these cases – need to make their way through quick.
	That all of these cases banning semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines and other cosmetic features has been said to make them shootier, you know, which do nothing.
	And what they call extended capacity or high-capacity magazines, which are nothing more than standard capacity.
	They're the magazine that the rifle is designed to take.
	The 30-round magazine is standard capacity that most of my automatic rifle, the 5563 form, it's designed around a 30-round mag.
	All of those – Yeah, there you go.
	you go all the round I'll I only pack it with 29 though.
	I've heard that that's better.
	For the for the spring.
	Yeah, uh exactly.
	So in any of the point being that I believe that all of these uh these state law restrictions that are making that have already been passed in New York State, Oregon, I think just passed uh a uh a new law, California, etc.
	And they're all starting to make their ways through the courts, they're all gonna fail.
	And I also believe that the the ban uh with the requirement to have a tax stamp on a fully automatic, that any bite ban on a fully automatic rifle that a standard infantryman would be issued as standard military um kit that that should be legal.
	There's no legal.
	Because the reality of the situation is that I should be able to equip myself with the same things that an infantryman uh has, and that's what the second was designed for.
	So that if I needed to, let's say there is a total breakdown of the federal government, there is a surgical strike or surgical strikes, and now we're talking war games crap here, but China, uh Iran, all of these countries uh gang up on us and knock us out in the federal government is rendered useless.
	You we've I would love to see 300 men with rifles standing a post.
	Like and you know, the whole thing Joe and I'm now I'm on my RAN.
	I apologize.
	The whole thing the whole thing with Joe Biden saying, well, yeah, we've got F-15s or whatever.
	You it's like, well, well then why the fuck were you handing out rifles to the citizens of Ukraine if they're so fucking useless?
	Why'd you lose against Al-Qaeda?
	Well, because you couldn't hump up a mountain, that's why.
	Because you'd be you didn't you didn't properly train and equip our special forces people.
	You made them climb up fucking mountains carrying a hundred pounds of kit when they're walking around in nothing and are running up in.
	Did you see did you see uh or read um uh Lone Survivor?
	I didn't.
	Oh, you gotta read Lone Survivor.
	Lone Survivor Um Marcus Luttrell, uh, it was made into a movie which I thought was actually a pretty good movie, but the book, you gotta read the book.
	Um it's the story of a Navy SEAL um uh unit that gets isolated on the top of a mountain in Afghanistan and is facing insurmountable odds, one man survives.
	Everyone else there's uh uh I mean spoiler alert.
	Uh but uh survival, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	So in it so much this was early on, I believe, in the the campaign in Afghanistan, if my memory is correct, and I'm not a I'm not a military historian, so tell me to shut the fuck up.
	But um the point being we could cut our military budget in half and still have the number one largest military budget in the planet if my statistics are correct.
	And it would be nice nice if part of that is the reserve training.
	I mean, if you made it so if you made it lucrative and lucrative enough where every single community had a battalion of fucking Navy SEALs or people that were trained by Army Rangers, so that they knew that so citizens are perfect.
	It should be part of our education that every single child is taught firearm safety.
	Every single one.
	Well, I I actually have a solution to this problem.
	So in my belief by the time because one of my pet peeves about our our culture today is that people aren't adults until they're like 30.
	And a lot of that's due to inflation, just because it it costs so much more to get out of the house than it used to 50 or 100 years ago.
	And then the other parts of part of it is just cultural uh entropy.
	But there's no reason that normal functioning average American kids can't have an associate's degree by the time they graduate high school.
	So why is it that we don't just eliminate summer breaks for kids, actually get real teachers and professors into these high schools, make it so when you graduate high school, you have an associate's degree.
	And if you want a bachelor's degree, you can get it for free, but you have to join the military and serve two years, and you get to keep your military-issued rifle.
	You learn how to use it.
	You're vetted when you join the military for mental illness, and you know, is this guy a wacko?
	Does this guy have a drug problem?
	And then you have a you have a population that's armed and knows how to use a firearm, and they're getting their college education for free, and they're able to join the workforce at the age of 20 instead of the age of 26.
	Well, I personally believe that uh the future uh path, the viable path, it's not to go to college at all, and it's to go to trade schools.
	Sure.
	I mean, I I there's gonna be such there's gonna be such a um an absence of qualified tradesmen in the next most of them are in my age at this point.
	I mean, we don't have carpenters, we don't have electricians, we don't have plumbers, we don't have the people that that we need to to build in this in this country anymore.
	And we have a crumbling structure.
	I mean, drive out of the city of Buffalo, and I was just driving home yesterday.
	I was looking at one of the overpass bridges, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, I drive under that every single day.
	That thing looks like it's gonna collapse at any minute.
	And if that's another thing, Google.
	Google crumbling bridges in the United States.
	We got a problem.
	Bridges are crumbling all over the place.
	Yeah, that's so that's true.
	See, I tell my son, I mean, I I'm a I'm a fourth generation uh attorney in my family in the United States.
	So I I always I grew up I wanted a lawyer.
	It was just it wasn't pushed on me.
	Uh I I just I I loved it.
	I wanted to be a lawyer.
	I obviously I like to talk and I like to like to argue.
	So it was just in my blood.
	But my son doesn't have that in him.
	My daughter, maybe, but not my not my son.
	And he doesn't have any idea what he wants to do with his life.
	And I I've told him multiple times, I'm like, look, don't go to college just to smoke pot smoke pot and get drunk.
	I mean, that's not the reason to go to college.
	If you don't know what you're doing, either go to community college, figure it out what it is that you want to do, or I'll tell you, go to a trade school.
	Learn to work with your hands.
	You'll make six figures within four or five years.
	Being a tradesman.
	And never be out of work.
	Never.
	It's true, but the the thing the thing about college that was so valuable to me was not the education, but the fact that I didn't I didn't fucking waste my the four years that I had to do whatever I wanted.
	I was like, I joined the chamber of commerce, I think my sophomore year in college.
	Like I was by far the youngest person there.
	I was like, I got a network if I want to get a job when I graduate.
	I joined several different networking groups.
	I I joined um uh uh uh an out of an adult fraternity like networking, did all this stuff, and that the fact that I had four years where I didn't have to worry about a mortgage or a family or bills and you know, other than things of that nature had no debt.
	So education itself sucks, but just the fact that the kids are blowing four years when they go to school, they're just not doing anything.
	Well, you're an exceptional human, though.
	Right.
	I I I fell into uh I played I played sports in college, uh and uh and that kept me busy because and I and I did well enough to be able to get myself into not a good law school, but I got myself into a law school and uh didn't do particularly well in law school to I wasn't particularly interested.
	But the the second I got out and I had to study for the bar exam, I put it in gear and I I kicked ass on the bar exam and I started working and I started to actually apply myself because I wasn't mature enough up until I graduated from Los Floss 26 years old when I when I graduated.
	You're you're not a mature adult at 26.
	Most people, you were.
	I was not.
	See, yeah, I agree with that, but uh at the same token, I think that the maturity does not come with time.
	The maturity comes with the amount of responsibility that you have.
	So if you give an 18-year-old a tremendous amount of responsibility, like in the war in Iraq, those soldiers 18 years old are going to be more mature than just your frat kid that's getting wasted at the college, right?
	Because he's got right so in in I whatever the reason is whether it's inflation or cultural entropy like we said, we postpone responsibility in in our culture today to the point where most people don't actually have to do any adult things until they're close to 23 24 years old.
	And that is unprecedented if you look at the context of our of our culture right we I mean there were people that were lying about their age to to uh to get into world war two they were 16.
	I think the youngest person that stormed the beach in Normandy was 16 years old.
	I looked it up once.
	I could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure there was a 16-year-old kid.
	My nephew's 16.
	Great kid.
	He's totally mature, but I can't imagine somebody who can barely get a little strands of a mustache together in that sort of a situation.
	I just think that we just have to pass the ball and say, listen, figure it out at some point.
	That's what I'm going to do.
	Yeah, you've changed my mind on that.
	I agree with that.
	That's persuasive.
	I really did like an idea about – I don't like force service.
	I don't like the idea of being required to go into the military or being required to go into – what's it called?
	Where you go for two years abroad.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Study abroad?
	Is that what you're talking about?
	No, no, no.
	It's working for the federal government.
	God, I can't believe that.
	Well, my thinking was you didn't necessarily have to mandate it, but you could – Yeah.
	So it's like who wouldn't do it?
	Give someone incentive to create the desire to give back to the community and to the country.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the answer is.
	I just know that the way to do the exact opposite is by giving kids $30,000 or $40,000 a year to stay home and not work or $50,000 for your friend to not work.
	That's not going to do it.
	I don't know what UBI is.
	I like the idea of potentially getting people above – I don't like the idea of the working poor.
	That concerns me.
	I like the idea of somebody that is working a job that they can have their income supplemented.
	Make it a robust food stamp thing where it's literally here you go.
	Here's a ration card that's directly for rent and a ration card that's directly for food.
	And I'm not a huge fan of government subsidized housing or anything along those lines.
	They usually go – they usually get destroyed.
	But give somebody the ability to use their subsidized housing voucher to put it towards a mortgage.
	I mean, maybe that – what you said before, maybe that's going to inflate the cost of homes.
	But that benefits everybody.
	That benefits everybody.
	If my home goes up in price because other individuals are being – giving money from the federal government, I'm not going to complain that my house is now worth 30% or 40% more than it was five years ago.
	That's going to benefit me.
	However, the question becomes whether or not that results in some sort of inflation.
	I'm not an economist.
	I don't know the answer to that.
	the bottom line is the bottom line is we've got a real problem with regards to individuals who have an interest in going into the workforce right now we have an absence of of tradesmen and the individuals that are going to school are going to school in and obtaining degrees that are fucking useless.
	They don't do anything and we don't need any more lawyers we don't need any what's you know what's interesting about this conversation to me is that this might be the first time in 15 years that I've actually 10 years that I've actually had a policy conversation because the political dynamic is such that no one's actually arguing about policy so much as is who's a Nazi.
	And it's it's funny because we used to in our country, we used to talk about what the best policies would be the problems that we have.
	And now I'm just at the point where I don't want my politicians to get away with money.
	Well that's where we are.
	I love when I get called a Nazi.
	I'm a Jew.
	You know, I get that.
	I I get called a Nazi on the regular.
	Well, Hitler's chauffeur was Jewish, so he was a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the the bottom line what happened with that?
	Do you know that story about Hitler's um chauffeur?
	Hitler's chauffeur.
	Um I don't remember it.
	Yeah, I think it was his grandfather was Jewish, which was a no-go in Nazi Germany.
	Uh he was like one of the first like 20 members of the Nazi Party.
	I don't even know that he knew that he was Jewish.
	And when it was discovered that he was, Hitler's administration obviously wanted to treat him like any other Jewish person, right?
	And send him to a camp or get rid of him.
	And Hitler made him an honorary Aryan.
	Oh, Jesus.
	Fucking crazy.
	I'm an honorary elf.
	Yeah, that's right.
	I have an elf on a shelf, bro.
	But I just can't, I can't believe that, man.
	And it's so I've been I've been studying a lot about um World War II history recently, just because I I see a lot of the same thing.
	I'm a big fan of the fourth turning.
	I'm not sure if you're familiar with that book.
	But it's basically the fourth turning is a book that was a brilliant book that was written about 20 years ago by a couple of actual scientists who are actually smart, right?
	Real experts, about how uh history is not linear, it's cyclical.
	And there's there's four different things that we sort of go through, and I'm not um uh well-versed enough in the text to to rattle my.
	Send me the book.
	It's brilliant.
	DM me the book.
	Steve Steve Bannon's a huge fan of it.
	Um uh and it's a very renowned text.
	And basically, we're like on the cusp of the fourth turning now.
	That's why the book's called the fourth turning.
	And shit's gonna hit the fan if it's like the if it if if uh the historical precedence is is true.
	Well I'm expecting the shit to hit the fan, and um I I don't have uh a 30-round magazine next to my uh my computer because they're illegal in New York State for now.
	But um I do have uh my new Christmas present to myself, my Jewish Christmas present to myself.
	Finally get myself my hands on a and this is uh a jack a jack carr inspired purchase.
	I got the new um uh Sig P365 XL Spectre comp.
	Google that I love it.
	It's it's it's one of the softest shooting sub it's the softest shooting subcompact I've ever shot.
	Uh it's like the and the this the trigger is really crisp.
	Um I like the sights, it's the Pensator is built right into the slide.
	It's a really nice gun.
	It was hard for me to get in New York State because uh guns.com when it ships to New York State because it it comes standard with a 12 uh capacity a 12 round.
	Oh like send it to a dealer out of state and then have that dealer transfer into state.com when it's when it's send it at all.
	I had to go find someone on gun broker who would ship to an you always have to ship to an FFL to effectually the transfer in New York State.
	That's the way it works.
	And that's right.
	I always I always follow by the by the letter.
	So I I found someone on on Gunbroker that was willing to ship to my FFL here.
	They were then I was able to transfer it on first before I can take possession, I have to transfer it onto my on my conceal carry uh uh pistol license.
	And then from there they couldn't they couldn't turn it over to me until they pinned the magazine so that it's permanently pinned so that it's a 10-round Mac.
	Uh, that's those were hoops that I had claiming hoops that I had to go through to get this gun that I've been that Jack Carr has been uh has been talking about for the better part of the year.
	And it was he was teasing me and oh, Jesus, there's some cosmetic there's some cosmetic features on that gun that just make it way too dangerous.
	Check out My favorite feature.
	Betsy Ross flag for the dust cover.
	Yeah, that is actually something that you should uh I there's another um there's a YouTube channel that I follow.
	Um there are these two uh Second Amendment lawyers down in Texas.
	And I'm here, let me hold on a second.
	Well, whatever, I can't remember their names, but one of the things that they were talking about was because they defend the they do uh criminal defense, and one of the things they were talking about was that any modifications to your gun that is cosmetic that may show patriotism or with one of those symbols that the FBI has said makes you terrorist,
	any of those things, which includes the cast and flag or the you know any of those things, the uh uh thin blue line, those can be used against you in a court of law with regards to establishing intent and your fear of imminent of an imminent imminent threat to your life.
	So you try to you should keep all of those symbols off of your firearms.
	And I know this is an infringement upon your first amendment rights because you should be able to say whatever the fuck.
	I understand though, yeah.
	They're gonna they count it as an expression, anything you say or or do may be held against you in the court of law, right?
	So it's it's technically you're expressing yourself with your weapon, so they can use that as a statement.
	That makes sense.
	But my position is if I'm using that firearm, I'm I'm not gonna, I'm probably not gonna make it.
	You know, that's I'm either gonna die or I'm running from the law anyway, if I have to use that one.
	Yeah, and that's really the bottom line.
	Anyone that's in this country that's anyone that is really really desirous of an of armed app is fucking insane.
	Like they're absolutely nothing that I want to do with being in a gunfight.
	I don't uh I don't want to be even adjacent to a gunfight.
	Like no chance.
	And I love I love firearms.
	I train regularly.
	I have um I I train with this this these great ex-military guys, ex special force uh forces guy, this army ranger guy who goes all over the country, teaches uh uh handgun tactics and and carbine tactics.
	Really competent trainers.
	I've been working with us for years.
	So I've I I'm around firearms uh uh on the regular and uh I'm not afraid of them, but I don't want anyone shooting at me.
	Fucking ever.
	Of course not.
	And you never want to have to be in a position to use it.
	But that's why you have to have it.
	Well, I mean, people like us, unfortunately, unless you're when you do something like you do, which is to and what I do, which is to get out on on the internet on the social media shit all day and to talk shit all day long.
	And I I'm talking shit all day long.
	I'm stating my opinions which are wrong, and they're inflammatory uh often.
	And um I get death threats.
	Yeah, which is I mean, I get I get death threats.
	I get terrible emails sent to me, you know, um saying that making derogatory statements against my late wife.
	I mean, the things that people are willing to say and do in this country is sick.
	Speaking of which, did you have to see that video?
	I just saw warning in Philly, some guy was walking in the.
	Yeah.
	Execution style stood right behind him.
	And it was like that Vietnam, that famous Vietnam photos.
	Yes, exactly.
	Like it.
	Like we're we're in the end of days type of uh situation.
	It's a purge.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, and that's the other thing too.
	Like you can pass all the gun legislation you want, but there's 393.3 million weapons in the United States, so people are always gonna have guns, no matter what the water is.
	How many, how many 3D printers?
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	Of course.
	Did I tell you that I found myself?
	No.
	I found myself a month ago.
	And they sent me a letter and they said they don't have shit on me.
	But I've decided that I'm gonna FOIA myself every 90 days or so.
	So that if the FBI ever does arrest me, I can counter sue for them not disclosing I was under investigation in the FLA.
	Did um did you just do FBI FOIA or what did you do?
	Yeah, I went to the FBI for you.
	because I talk a lot of shit about the FBI.
	I quote JFK quite a bit.
	And I just I didn't think I didn't expect to be on any list or anything necessarily.
	I just thought this is free.
	It takes five minutes.
	I'm just gonna do it and see what happens.
	And they sent me a letter and they said we did a uh search of your name and you didn't come up.
	I can't believe that there hasn't been uh and maybe there hasn't I just not aware of it.
	I can't believe there hasn't been a case, a no fly list case uh where they rule that that's totally unconstitutional.
	Because you have the right to travel between states, so yeah, yeah.
	And and I mean they're they're they were trying to impose uh right I think part of uh I don't know whether or not part of the red flag laws that they've enacted, but that includes no fly.
	I don't know.
	I mean the federal red flag laws.
	Well, there's also there's I think there's some red flag state red flag laws too.
	Yeah, I think there's I think there's red there's a red flag law in New York State, I think.
	I should know the answer to that, but I'm having a flag.
	If you're talking too much shit on the internet, they can just put you on a list and you can't get a gun.
	Oh, and I talk all this shit to Kathy Hopel to campaign.
	I was on her Twitter feed every day, just hammering her every day.
	And I and I I know her, I'm I've her husband was the former U.S. attorney for the for the uh the Buffalo uh US attorney's office.
	Uh her sister-in-law is a judge that I appeared before with some frequency.
	Uh her husband now works for one of my best friends.
	And uh remember I saw Bill Holt not long ago um where he works and uh he came up and said something to me.
	And I'm thinking myself you don't know who I because he doesn't know who I am, even though he's met me a few times.
	He doesn't know who I am.
	And I'm like, if you only knew how much shit I'm talking to your wife, I can take a swing.
	Man, I don't I don't care at all when people talk shit to me on the internet at all.
	I don't even respond, really.
	No, I block sometimes I will.
	I don't block, I just mute because I don't want to give them the satisfaction.
	That's a good point.
	I've just gotten to the point where I blocked because I just don't want them to see what I'm saying because I I'm worried about them being mentally unstable, and I just don't necessarily know if it was just me, I wouldn't really care.
	But I've got kids.
	And you know, I just I I I don't want to be in a situation where if I've if I have upset somebody enough that they're making those types of inflammatory statements against me or to me on the internet.
	I know that they that I've I've triggered them to the point that I don't know what they're capable of.
	And I would rather anybody anybody who makes a death threat to anybody.
	I mean, there are people that I hate in the world that I would not murder or threaten to murder.
	No.
	No, you know, absolutely not.
	I don't explain if I did actually feel that if I did feel that way, I certainly would not express it in a digitally documented way.
	I don't like to speed.
	I mean, and I was somebody that was a speed freak when I was growing up.
	I had motorcycles, uh, used to drive past cars.
	I literally set my control for four miles over the speed limit now.
	I don't want to get pulled over.
	I don't want to be, I mean, I've been told, you know, if you're within that five to ten mile uh above the speed limit range, chances are you're not gonna get pulled over in New York State.
	Uh and I go below five.
	I'm just like, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want any interaction with law enforcement ever.
	I just want to I I pay all my taxes, disclose all of my income, don't play games.
	I just want to live, I'm gonna play by your rules, and I'm going to just exercise my my constitutional rights within the confines because it's just I don't want to be in jail for anything.
	Can you imagine like spending you you had Bannon on?
	Is Bannon going to jail?
	Uh I think he's appealing his sentence, but I think he was sentenced to four months.
	I could be wrong about that.
	That's just my off-the-cuff response to that question.
	I don't I don't want to go to jail for four months.
	Do you?
	No.
	Did you know that the majority of prison rapes are actually guard on prisoner?
	I did not know that.
	Yeah, look at Wikipedia.
	I looked up prison rape on Wikipedia just to see.
	Is it is it male-female or is it male-male?
	Male-male.
	It's like a dominance thing.
	I yeah, I'm pretty sure that I could be wrong about that, but I'm almost positive.
	I'm like 99% sure that that's statistically true.
	You're you're a pretty young man with pretty teeth.
	Yeah, right.
	Do you have braces?
	Well, it's been awesome talking to you, man.
	I want to let you get uh get back to your family.
	Uh I appreciate you taking the time to speak with me.
	Let everybody know um uh where they can find you, and then we'll wrap it up.
	At M. Colkin on Twitter, come and yell at me.
	I'll block you if you shit talk me, though.
	So just be prepared.
	Awesome, man.
	Well, thank you so much.
	I appreciate you.

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