The Fate of The Country With Steve Bannon & Chase Geiser | One American Podcast
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
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I certainly didn't when I started.
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It's One American Podcast Live with Steve Bannon.
Mr. Bannon, it is an honor and a pleasure to have you with us.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Hey, you can just call me Steve.
By the way, the herrings ever tracked you down for using one America or one America.
Is it one America or one American?
Well, it's got an N on the end, so I'm hoping that's different enough.
They're looking at content.
You're very smart.
Love the show.
Love the show.
I watch you guys on Getter.
So uh thanks.
Uh thanks for having me.
Absolutely.
So I know that we uh we've got about 20 minutes today.
Um, and I thought a lot yesterday about uh what I wanted to talk to you about.
And I thought, well, I could you know go over background stuff and you know, 2016 campaign stuff.
And I was like, but people could just watch American Dharma if they want to get that.
And I was like, well, we could talk about the January 6th hearings.
Did you did you see American Dharma?
A couple times, yeah.
You're a you're a film, you're a film guy, right?
Not real not professionally.
I I own an advertising business, so I do some video work, but that's a good thing.
But I mean, you you discuss you discuss films on your show a lot, right?
Yeah, yeah, I certainly have.
I'm a big movie buff because I grew up in the Midwest and there's nothing else to do.
What uh what's your uh what's your three favorite films?
Uh number one, cool hand Luke.
Wow, I love that film.
Yeah, uh particularly just because of the boxing scene where he doesn't give up and he wins.
Um say two and three is is difficult for me.
That's the We were forcing you to have you don't like making choices.
You're yeah, I take it you're non-committal.
You don't like to committing.
Well, I need I just I I've always thought about favorites because people, you know, like when you're dating, they ask what's your favorite.
And so I just think of the number one.
I never like made a list of top five.
It's not like high fidelity or something.
But that's probably up there.
What about you?
What's your what are your three favorites?
Well, 12 o'clock, uh, American Dominic, 12 o'clock high, uh Paths of Glory, 12 o'clock high, you know, the Wild Bunch, Lawrence Arabia, things like that.
I was thinking like crazy rich Asians.
I like, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, not although I know a lot of crazy rich Asians that have never seen the film.
That's awesome.
So I wanted to um uh try to do something a little bit different and not focus on on stuff about you that people can get elsewhere.
And so I want to start sort of like um high-level flo philosophical.
So in your opinion, what does it mean to be an American?
Well, it means to be a citizen of this country, somebody that's uh that's dedicated to this country, right?
So he's got what we have 330 million people living in this country right now, American citizens, as someone that uh supports and uh and respects the traditions and the values of this country.
So it doesn't have to mean you have to agree politically.
I think one of the greatest things of our system, it's an advocacy system, and it's always been uh, you know, our politics has been very intense uh over our you know in our history.
And uh so you don't have to agree as Americans, you don't have to agree on everything.
In fact, we're I think it was Franklin that said what during the revolution, what made us different than the British Empire is that it kind of had we created a new breed here.
There was more risk-taking, uh more rough around the edges, not so much about etiquette, right?
But more, you know, raw boned.
And I think that's what it means to be an American.
I still think it is what it means to be an American.
And uh and but it's a big diverse country with a lot of big diverse political views, religious views, all that.
And I think it's one of the, you know, uh I think it's one of the great uh strengths of the country that we we managed to uh to pull through all this with this kind of can-do spirit and this stick tuativeness to get things done.
Obviously, there's a different political philosophy that's out there today that's really about state control and you know it's got a progressive patina in front of it, but it's really about you know the administrative state and state control and state capitalism that is populist and nationalist that we fight uh we fight every day.
What would you say the difference between populism and nationalism is?
Well, I think they're actually very different because populism is about coming out from the grassroots things that are uh working towards um, you know, working people, middle class people, kind of anti-elite, anti-uh credentialization that have elites make decisions for you, uh, to have these uh non-democratic institutions like the administrative state uh make decisions for you, where decisions are really come up from the uh from the political aspirations of the people.
That's what populism is, and populism is making sure that you hear the voice of the people and that people, you know, we've had a tremendous populist um uh uh DNA in our country's history, all the way from the time of the founding and the revolution to Andrew Jackson, all the way through William Jennings Bryan.
Uh it's really the little guy wanting to have a voice and not just be dictated to, right, by the by the political elites and the financial elites.
Uh nationalism is is kind of uh different than that.
Nationalism is about country and nation, about the Westphalian system.
If you go back and look at President Trump's umargal address, what they call the American Carnage.
That was really a it's kind of juxtaposed the she, President She had made a speech a few days before in Davos, where he talked about the new kind of the really the world order that was coming, not simply the post-war international rules-based order, but this kind of network effect where China was going to be the centerpiece of all of it and the guys in Davos loved it.
Trump uh two days later, I think made one of the best speeches about nationalism ever made.
And he talked about really implied the Westphalian system, that the nation state is that unit that allows people to have the best shot to thrive and to prosper.
Uh, and that nations have, you know, they're not some idea like Paul Ryan and the Republicans you say, America's an idea.
America is actually a country with a border with a people, with a culture, uh, with an economy.
And so uh I think populist nationalism is the little guy, right, or or people that heretofore voices have not been heard but are the backbone of the country that really provide the the substrate of civic order.
Uh those people coming together and saying, hey, we want our voice to be heard.
We want to be at the table, and we want to put our country first.
We want to put our nation first.
We're not as interested in these multi-uh, multilateral organizations.
We we want to be a partner.
We want to be in trade deals.
We want that, but we want it from a perspective of uh of the nation state that is the United States of America, and it's not an idea.
It's actually a country.
And it's got a border, particularly a southern border, that has to be defended.
And, you know, since I've started really pushing this, you know, right around the Tea Party time, around Tea Party in 2000 uh nine and ten when I made my first uh made my second film, Generation Zero.
A lot of people uh at the time in kind of conservative Inc.
who I got to know through Andrew were very down on it.
You can't say populism.
Populism is a left-wing thing.
You can't say populist William Jennings Barress populist, and certainly couldn't say nationalism.
I had some very prominent people in media who I really respect and I think are very smart would come to me and say, oh, you can't say nationalism, you can't say nationalism.
You still hear that a lot today, but I think that we we have blown through that, and that the Trump movement, MAGA is a populist nationalist uh movement.
And that's why President Trump, I think, you know, won in 2016, he won again in 2020.
He's about to do the three-peat in 2024.
Yeah.
So I I consider myself uh um a devoted populist, but it was a little bit of a leap for me just because I come from a background of being really inspired um in high school reading Ayn Rand.
I think I read almost everything she ever wrote except for her, I haven't read and well, I was inspired uh by the empowerment of the individual in her inner books.
Not so much like the, you know, I'm a I I believe in God, and so I wasn't on pay on board with her with the atheism aspects, but the individual rights and the in uh individual sovereignty, I thought that was really inspiring, especially as a coming-of-age person.
And so it was a little bit of a leap for me to like embrace populism because it was sort of against the grain, like, I don't give a damn about the people, like I'm trying to become the best version of myself, right?
But really, like you if if you if you want If you want to be the best version of yourself, you should want that for others too.
And I think it sort of adds up in that, like if we become the best Americans that we can be, then we create the best America that we can have, right?
And so I really think they're really interlinked.
I think self-actualization and populism can be something symbiotic.
Well, and it can.
It can be.
Listen, it's not about you're not still trying to, everybody's got to go through this journey through this veil of tears.
You know, you're you're on your own hero's journey, and you've got to work to your own uh although we're obviously fallen and imperfect, you gotta work to that perfection.
My problem with Ayn Rand has always been it's a philosophy when you really get down to it, it's a philosophy for a 12-year-old girl.
You know, she's always looking for Uber Mitch.
And it's got very two Nietzsche.
It's not about, yes, individuals.
Remember, I I think I would say that Judea Christian West has put the other day, it's predicated upon the individual, the family as a unit in the and the nation state.
Uh, and I think populism can work in there.
And populism is not communism.
It's not that we're all, you know, we're it's all about equal outcomes, it's anything but, but it's having the particularly today where you have the you know, it's the the the the massive technology, massive this whole technocracy, right?
It's very important for individuals to bind together and that we fight this as a uh and we fight this as a unit, and that's why I think populism is getting to be more and more powerful and more and more.
I think people are fed up with it.
They see that remember Trump's power was that Trump not just puts you in the room, he puts you at the head of the table.
And before it's not in the room, not in the deal.
That's the problem with the controlled opposition that is the Republican Party, and you see this now as you're so as your awakening and self-actualization is coming.
So are the people, they realize hey, since Richard Nixon, we've won more elections than we've lost, right?
We've we elected more congressmen, more senators, one, and we lost the country.
You saw that on the afternoon of January 20th, 2021, what the illegitimate Biden regime was doing, we had lost the country.
So that's because the Republican Party has become part of the uniparty, it's a controlled opposition.
It's like pro-wrestling.
They don't really want to fight on anything, and and that's why they get so angry and so nasty uh when we want to stand up and whether it's a border wall, whether stop the invasion of southern border, whether it's having some rationality in the Ukraine, whether it's to I I think not just audit the Fed but to end the Federal Reserve.
Uh when you talk about anything structurally that really needs to change in order to change people's lives and this nation's lives for the better, they completely freak out.
In fact, the never Trumpers and the Republican establishment hate hate the um the populist nationalist movement, MAGA, ultra mega, and President Trump more than even the Democrats, if if that can be believed.
Yeah, absolutely.
And well, and I wanted to so that sort of brings me to my next point, the next question I want to ask you about.
And I think there's a couple of different things going on.
Obviously, the last several years have been sort of a like one disaster after another in terms of political and just general societal problems, uh like the pandemic, of course.
And it's really easy in the age of the internet and social media to like get this sort of overwhelming sense of hopelessness because everything is so negative because it drives clicks.
And what I wanted to ask you specifically is like how can individual Americans, how can I, Chase Geyser actually feel like I can make an impact and in change.
You're making an impact right now.
Everybody can get engaged, everybody can get involved.
This is the reason we've turned this thing around.
Remember, we did we had we didn't have the House, the Senate, we had nothing on the afternoon of the 20, uh, January 20th, 2021.
And we're on this Sunday, we're 100 days away from the biggest, most important midterm election, I think in the country's history, but at least since 1862, since the Civil War.
This is massive.
And right now we can pick up, I don't know, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 seats, maybe more, and totally turn the country around, stop the illegitimate Biden regime in his tracks.
The technology has made it so that everybody can get engaged.
There's nobody out there that should be able to sit there.
And so I can't not just listening to talk radio, not just listening to your show, listening to War Room, watching Fox, actively engage and being part of this.
Remember, this is the fourth turning, the fourth great turning in this country's history.
And people said they go, Oh, you know, if if I was in the revolution, I'd be at Saratoga and I would be at Valley Forge, or if it's a civil war, I'd be right there at the wall of Gettysburg, or World War II, I'd be stirring the beaches of Normandy.
Well, hold it.
You can be that.
Look at you, you start a show with absolutely nothing, and you have thousands and thousands of listeners, and you have forced multipliers to send your content out.
The reason I saw even know who you are is that I was somebody in my feed started sending me clips of your show.
And I said, This is an interesting guy.
So everybody can do that.
You not just have a podcast, you can get engaged, you can become a school.
Look, we're taking over school boards, we're taking over canvassing boards, we're taking over election boards, uh, we're taking over medical boards now.
People are running that never even thought about it for town councils and county commissioners and state be state representatives.
Now is the age of engagement.
We're building an army of the awakened.
And now is the age of engagement.
If you want to go up, was it Maslow's uh self-actualization?
Hierarchy of needs, yeah.
You you have to right now, in everybody's individual journey, is actually be your own hero's journey.
Be the hero of your own story.
The way you're going to be that is be part of the Army Awakened.
You're going to be able to sit there and go, hey, I did this.
I, you know, I helped take back this school board.
I helped turn things around in my community.
I put my shoulder to well and worked a phone bank to make sure that Trump won the third term at every level.
And I'd say, put away the golf clubs, put it, get engaged.
The cut we're at war for the direction of this country.
And this whole thing about unity and bringing the country together.
Look, American history doesn't work like that.
When you have these turnings in the revolution and the civil war around the Great Depression, one side wins and one side loses.
Look, in the revolution, it was probably a third or third or third at best.
There was a third Tories, maybe to 40%.
There was, I don't know, people say 3%, up to maybe a third, uh, that were uh for the rebellion, right?
And and there was, as there always is, there's people in the middle.
You see that in the world today.
One side wins and one side loses.
When people say, well, you know, Lincoln and FDR and Reagan and Washington, they were uniters.
That's BS.
Go back and read the history of the time.
Nobody's more divisive than Lincoln.
No more divisive than FDR.
No more is more, no one is more divisive than Reagan, or even General Washington when he's part of the revolution.
What happened is that their side won, and then afterwards the country goes to the next level, and you unite around that new, that new node.
Okay.
We're in the same fight right now.
One side, and I I don't um have any problem with progressive fighting for what they believe in.
I think it's healthy.
I think it's healthy.
We're divided right now on very fundamental issues because we're having a definition of what we want the country to be.
Is it going to be the republic that was bequeathed to us, right?
And we're gonna have to fight for this.
And I'm gonna tell you how that's gonna be one is not donors, not money, not all the fat cats.
That's where populism comes in.
The Trump movement has been a populist movement from day one.
President Trump, I think we had 600 million bucks in 16.
Hillary had over two billion.
That was people getting out, putting the yard signs out there.
It was a grassroots, just like the Tea Party movement, grassroots ever.
That's how Trump won in 20, and it's how he's gonna win again, the three-peat in 2024.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And you know, it's it's one thing to sort of engage and rally your own side.
The one of the things that I've struggled with that I would like to be able to do, and it may be impossible, but I would like to be the type of of a voice that can change minds, not just not just rally the base.
And it seems to be almost impossible to do.
I know that it's very hard for other people to change my mind, and and that's something I'm I'm self-conscious about because I wonder, you know, what am I stubborn about?
What am I missing that I could be wrong about?
I don't think you can talk because I think when you say change minds, I don't think you can talk it through.
I think you have to show people the evidence.
It's a difference between it's one of the things I try to do at Brightbart, and I try to do in the war room, it's a difference between opinion and actually news.
Over time, facts, their lived experience.
Do you want to change people's minds?
Make sure you get them the information they need for their own lived experience.
Yeah.
Who's gonna change people's minds is the people themselves.
Nobody's gonna talk, you're not gonna talk people into, you're not gonna argue this through.
It's not about argument.
It's not about debate.
We're not gonna, this is not a debating society.
This is about uh in in in real life, taking action and making things happen.
You want to see people whose minds are changing right now, the the the suburban women who, if you mention Donald Trump's name, they've spit on the floor.
Yet they're coming to our cause because of the mass mandates, the vaccine mandates, the CRT, the gender ideology in schools.
You look at these, you look at the Young Convictory, the Young and Victory is a combination of an overperformance by MAGA with the suburban mobs coming and saying, hey, look, you know, I don't agree with these people on a lot of their policies, but on the core things around my kids, I 100% agree that, and I see them taking action.
I see their, I see that they're out there fighting for things that are important in my life.
It's right now with this complete meltdown of the economy.
So you're not going to argue that you don't change people, I don't think, be by argument or debate.
You do it by thinking providing information and letting them see about the lived experience of life.
One thing is in the war room.
We have a pretty substantial audience of former uh Bernie Bros, right?
Guy put in the apes on Wall Street or things, and they're they were left-wing populists, and now it's the Tim Pools of the world.
Tim Pool's a good example.
Who Tim came from the Occupy movement, and now Tim, I don't know if he would stand up and say it, but he's one, I think the driving intellectual forces of the populist movement, the center, at least the center right, he's not as right wing as as some of us are.
But Tim is a perfect example, and he's seen that through his lived experience.
So I think what you do every day, and what your audience can do, every person in your audience can sit there as a force multiply and take the clips they like and put it out there.
And the more you put it out, people come to you.
I mean, this reason the war room expands so exponentially.
People share that.
People come and they give a listen and say, wow, this guy's talking about global capital markets.
He's talking about economy, he's talking about finance, he's talking about things that impact my life, and he's putting it into kind of a political framework.
Over time, this become some of our most devout followers.
And so that's the to me, that's the way you're doing it.
And you're doing that every day by putting up content.
And people got to understand it's very hard to put up content.
Yeah.
Force multipliers to distribute it out, given now that we have the technology to do that, is the way I see to become uh person.
It's like it's like the committees of correspondence during the revolution.
That's essentially what what you are, and it's knitting together the entire country.
I mean, on the show, we come in on the precinct strategy, we try to have, at least in every show, uh, an example of where it's worked, and it's just amazing.
You saw the CNN piece the other night.
CNN thought that was a hit piece.
I thought it was incredibly positive.
They had the women in DeCalp County that had heard the show and said, Well, let's become a precinct committee man.
And now two of them are running for the state legislature.
To me, that's what we need to do.
People need to take action and they need to engage this great fight for our country as part of the fabric of their lives right now.
So I know we're uh coming up on time.
I want to ask you one final question before uh No, no, I'll tell you we we we can go we can go to the bottom of the we can go to half the bottom of the hour.
I just gotta bounce and do another interview tonight.
Sounds good.
Um I wanted to ask you what is something that you know or understand now that you wish you would have known as a young man early in your career.
That um there's there's a there is a study done in World War II about uh the merchant marines.
They did a study, I think it was with the data from World War II, uh, and it was published or worked on.
It came out after World II, if my memory serves me correctly.
And what it showed is on torpedoed ships in the North Atlantic that were coming across to to uh to basically rearm England from the United States, rearm England.
That the highest uh percentage of um of people that survived were not the young, strong, it was not Chase.
It was it was Steve.
And the reason was um it turned out when they did the analysis, it was the the younger guys were in much better shape.
They were in it what is even, I mean it was orders of magnitude better shape.
The old guys were old guys.
And why was there a higher survival rate of the old old versus the young?
And it came out that was experience.
That they had been through other things in their life and they figured, hey, I can fall back on myself and just power through.
One of the most important things you can learn in your life, and I wish I had learned it earlier, but it's part of that process.
If you jump ahead, is that in every thing that's important in your life, everything that you're gonna have to accomplish is gonna be set with failure, setbacks, diversion, right?
And in some esoteric uh terminology, they call it the law of three, or sometimes it's a difference of the law seven of different octaves of how you have to power through things.
It's a reason that most things in your life you don't accomplish.
You start and you're really gung-ho, but then some obstacle comes at you get diverted, your tension gets diverted, and you go in a different direction, never gets accomplished.
The experience, I think, shows you that if you just stick with it, right?
Over time, I know I can power through this, and I know I can go up and take it up a next level.
And so the thing I wish I had learned earlier was that that's out there.
And it takes determination, it takes focus, but it also takes to understand that if you have initial failure, initial obstacles, initial blocks, that I can get through that.
I can get a workaround, I can go through that.
And that that to um to get through that failure, because you're going to fail so many different times.
Get through that failure is not absolutely uh that ends something.
It actually can take you to the next level.
And I think uh in looking back over my life, if I had learned that earlier and ingrained that more in my personalities I have today, you know, I was called the honey badger for a long time because I am relentless.
And part of that was learn.
I didn't have that at the beginning.
You know, I was not a great high school athlete.
I was not a great student.
I was I went to a military prep school.
I had great friends and great buddies.
I was a very average athlete, but maybe below average, you know, I played sports, but I wasn't great.
My father was a great athlete, my brothers are great athletes.
I wasn't a great, I mean, I read everything, but I wasn't a great student.
And uh, and uh it just kind of drifted in in those young years.
Now, I look back and see the reading and things like that were the foundation for other things, but at the time it didn't, it had not focused me on what happened.
That's the great thing that the Navy gave me as a naval officer to understand that that responsibility and authority that you have to sit there and you have to power through.
And that's why I always recommend to every young person in their 20s is to always join the armed forces because they're gonna put you in situations that you will never see in your entire life, and they'll send you throughout the world and places you would never go.
And the one thing I can tell you uh from dealing with some of the wealthiest people in the world and dealing at the highest levels of Wall Street and in corporate America, throughout the world, whether it's in Paris or Shanghai or New York or Hollywood, the one thing that people always tell me they regret is not going into the military when they're 20.
They if they could do it over again.
So, no, I think it's a thing of stick to itness and grit to learn how to take that and to develop in yourself and just be relentless.
If you once you commit, once you commit to something, you're gonna see all of a sudden, wow, I'm I'm I'm meeting this person.
Uh, I'm meeting uh, you know, that it was called uh, I think the um with the law of success or something a few years ago.
Law of attraction.
Law of attraction, they had a thing, you know, the the ancients uh had a uh had a saying, your being attracts your life.
Your being attracts your life.
But this is part of it's a deeper philosophy than obviously the law of attraction, kind of commercialized it.
Sure.
But once you commit, you'll find a book, you'll find a magazine, all of a sudden you'll hear a conversation, you'll maybe a friend you haven't talked to in a while, they're introduced you to something that'll be on that journey of what you're trying to accomplish.
And so that is, I always give that guidance to uh it's one of the reasons I have people watch 12 o'clock high.
Uh everybody that comes to work for me has to do a certain few things when they come to work.
One of the first things they have to do is watch 12 o'clock high to see that kind of personification of how you have to ingrain that into yourself.
Yeah.
So I'm curious based on your response.
Is there anything that comes to mind for you that you gave up on that you in retrospect wish you hadn't?
Oh I've been married three times.
No, yes, a lot.
A lot.
Both in personal life and in professional life.
Absolutely.
There's there's there's many things.
But it look, your your journey is your journey.
I I don't have any regrets in my life, whatever.
I'm very blessed to be able to get up to every day and doing exactly what uh now.
One of the reasons is I committed uh fully back in um you know, in 2000, right after the financial crash in 2008 or 2010 to really start to do this full time and to give up hobbies and to give up other things I had done, uh, understanding that I've only got so much time in this temporal uh in this temporal uh world uh that you gotta do it.
So the 100% commitment, you know, seven days a week, 20 hours a day, and just to let's get on it.
It's been incredibly not just fulfilling, and the people I've met, I would have never met in in in a million years.
It's just been a tremendous experience.
It's something that get up every day and say, okay, what are we doing today?
How do we get it done?
No, but everybody's life.
One of the things I would tell people is don't worry about the past like that, right?
you're looking for it in in at harvard business schools one of the first things they teach you is the serious sunk cost That you can't, if you make decisions and you always look back about all the costs and everything get there, you're always going to make the incremental marginal decision, right?
Never you got to look from this, the net present value from this absolute moment, you got to discount those cash flows back to right now, not to a year ago, not to because otherwise you're always making just decisions on the margin.
You have to do that with your life too, I think.
That it's not that you can forget about what you've done or forget about what you bring or forget about all those relationships or what has made you the person you are, but you've got to look from this moment forward and how I'm going to do it.
And don't let the past be in hindrance, and particularly as you're coming to this populist movement.
There's so many people I meet all the time.
Every time I give a talk, every time I go anywhere, that really a lot of people didn't come to this until their 50s and 60s.
That's fine, right?
I mean, obviously now we're trying to uh enter energize a younger part of that.
You see that in the turning point, the great conference they had over the weekend.
I know someone like you is getting out to a younger audience.
We want that.
But at any age, you can sit there with no previous engagement and say, I can do this, I can get engaged, and I can take a little step, and that'll lead to something else.
But I tell everybody, once you commit, once you commit your person, a whole world's gonna open up to you.
If you just if they go to precinct strategy and just get on there and go to a precinct, you're gonna see in 90 days, you've got different relationships, new friends, you're and you feel like I'm accomplishing something.
I'm actually doing something.
I don't have and you don't have to be a donor.
You don't have to write a check.
Remember, all the Republican Party wants you to do is to send money and show up and vote.
They don't care about anything else here, and they certainly don't care about your ideas or what you think.
And that's, I think we have to break that break that paradigm.
So I know we're coming up in the bottom of the hour.
Real quick, if you had to guess, what do you think the United States is going to look like in 2028 at the end of the fourth turning?
Well, it's not the end of the fourth turning at all.
Uh I think this, I think where we're in right now, and it's not just president, it's not just us winning the midterms.
Sure.
It's not just uh winning in 2024 and 2028.
We gotta this is we got a ways to go in this baby.
This is gonna be very tough, and there's no, there's no guarantee.
Remember, in the turnings, their days are gonna look the clouds are on top of you in the fog, and there's gonna be other times where you're sitting there, it's all blue, you know, it's uh it's a sunny sky, and it's very clear, and you feel like you're top of the world and you're winning.
You're gonna have days you look like you're losing and days you're winning.
Remember, look at the afternoon, look at the afternoon of uh January 20th, 2021.
I'm very proud, hey, in Washington, D.C., it was a pretty lonely place for conservatives.
We had a hundred National Guards guys out here right in back of the Supreme Court on our street, armored up.
Uh, this town was empty, conservatives.
Everybody left.
They went to Florida, they went to Texas.
I said, we're not gonna do that.
We're gonna, every day, we're gonna hammer, we're gonna take down this illegitimate regime.
And we didn't do it solely, but we were a small piece of it.
But I got to tell you, we're very proud of where we are today, where we were then.
We're gonna say we're gonna stand right in the breach.
We're not gonna back up one inch.
And so, no, I think it's um now more than ever.
And people have to understand there's no guarantee how this thing turns out.
Although it looks like we have it could get overwhelming, big majorities, at least in the House, and maybe the Senate.
It looks like we're winning at every level.
We have to execute on that.
So a hundred days ago, that's eternity in politics.
We have to deliver on that.
And these people are not beyond pulling every trick in the book.
Remember, this is a, and it's not just I hate that term, the swamp or the drain the swamp.
It's a nice term.
It's catchy, but it's too cutesy.
We're again, I don't like deep state either.
Deep state's like it's all hidden from you.
It's up in your face.
The administrative state is there.
It has to be taken apart brick by brick.
We have to take this Leviathan apart, or this undemocratic apparatus is going to rule your life, and more importantly, rule your children's lives.
So our work is ahead of us.
How it looks, I like our odds.
I I actually think two-thirds, the 75% of the nation agrees with us.
I think you're seeing this in the Hispanic vote.
I think very quickly you're gonna see in the African American male vote, uh, Asian vote, white working class, uh, the middle class, even suburban moms who don't like everything.
They think orange man's bad, but agree with us on these fundamental issues about education and their children.
Uh we we have, and this all this talk about we're, you know, the country we're going to succeed from this, this state's going to succeed, we're going to have civil war style.
That's all nonsense.
That's the left wants us.
They want that, so we're chasing rabbits like that.
This country is too important and too sacred a vessel for us to try to.
You have to think of every patriot, every patriot grade that's fought to make this country stronger, to make this country better, to keep this country together.
Okay.
That's the that that is our direct descendants, right?
Politically and philosophically, and we have to fight for them.
We owe as much as Burke said.
We owe as much to those that came before us as those that are going to come after us.
I like our odds.
And what I really like, Chase, I like the people on our side of the football.
I think we got incredible people.
You see Hispanics coming on, African Americans coming over, uh the Asian Americans, particularly the Chinese Americans.
Uh we build every day.
We're growing every day.
Inclusive nationalism and participatory populism is the future of politics in this nation.
We're ascended, MAGA is ascended, and ultra mega is the tip of the spirit of that.
I just think it's the it's our time, but we have to execute.
Well, Steve, it was an honor and a pleasure to have you on uh One American Podcast.
